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02/21/2012 01:00 PM TRANSPORTATION


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*+ HB 271 COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE REQUIREMENTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 271(TRA) Out of Committee
*+ HB 258 NATURALLY OCCURRING ASBESTOS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 270 WARNING OF AIRPORT EXAMS/SCANS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                       February 21, 2012                                                                                        
                           1:08 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Lance Pruitt, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz                                                                                             
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
Representative Pete Petersen                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 271                                                                                                              
"An  Act relating  to  the state  highway  system and  commercial                                                               
motor vehicle requirements."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 271(TRA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 258                                                                                                              
"An  Act directing  the Department  of Transportation  and Public                                                               
Facilities  to  develop  and implement  standards  and  operating                                                               
procedures  allowing   for  the  use  in   the  construction  and                                                               
maintenance of transportation projects  and public facilities and                                                               
in the  construction of projects  by public and  private entities                                                               
of gravel  or aggregate materials  that contain a  limited amount                                                               
of  naturally  occurring  asbestos,  and authorizing  use  on  an                                                               
interim  basis  of  those materials  for  certain  transportation                                                               
projects  and  public  facilities;  relating  to  certain  claims                                                               
arising  out of  or  in  connection with  the  use  of gravel  or                                                               
aggregate  materials containing  a  limited  amount of  naturally                                                               
occurring asbestos; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 270                                                                                                              
"An  Act requiring  the Department  of Transportation  and Public                                                               
Facilities to require  airports to post warning  signs outside of                                                               
security  screening  areas  warning   passengers  that  they  are                                                               
subject to searches of their bodies by physical touching and by                                                                 
electronic devices that emit radiation."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 271                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE REQUIREMENTS                                                                              
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) KELLER, PRUITT                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/17/12       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/13/12                                                                               
01/17/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/17/12       (H)       TRA                                                                                                    
02/21/12       (H)       TRA AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 258                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: NATURALLY OCCURRING ASBESTOS                                                                                       
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) JOULE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
01/17/12       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/13/12                                                                               
01/17/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/17/12       (H)       TRA, FIN                                                                                               
02/21/12       (H)       TRA AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 270                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: WARNING OF AIRPORT EXAMS/SCANS                                                                                     
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) CISSNA, GRUENBERG, TUCK                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
01/17/12       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/13/12                                                                               
01/17/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/17/12       (H)       TRA, FIN                                                                                               
02/21/12       (H)       TRA AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WES KELLER                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 271 as prime sponsor of the                                                                 
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JIM POUND, Staff                                                                                                                
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on behalf of the prime sponsor of                                                              
HB 271, Representative Wes Keller.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DAN BREEDEN, Director                                                                                                           
Division of Measurement Standards & Commercial Vehicle                                                                          
Enforcement                                                                                                                     
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF)                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the discussion of HB 271.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
AVES THOMPSON, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Trucking Association (ATA), Inc.                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the discussion of HB 271.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REGGIE JOULE                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 258 as the sponsor of the                                                                   
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BRODIE ANDERSON, Staff                                                                                                          
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the discussion of HB 258.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
EMILY NAUMAN, Attorney                                                                                                          
Legislative Legal Counsel                                                                                                       
Legislative Legal and Research Services                                                                                         
Legislative Affairs Agency                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified and answered questions during the                                                              
discussion of HB 258.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALICE EDWARDS, Director                                                                                                         
Division of Air Quality                                                                                                         
Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)                                                                                  
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified and answered questions during the                                                              
discussion of HB 258.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT JONES, Vice Mayor                                                                                                         
City of Ambler                                                                                                                  
Ambler, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the discussion of HB 258.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
UKALLAYSAAQ OKLEASIK, Planning Director                                                                                         
Northwest Arctic Borough (NWAB)                                                                                                 
Kotzebue, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the discussion on HB 258.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ELIZABETH HENSLEY, Corporate and Public Policy Liaison                                                                          
NANA Regional Corporation (NANA)                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 258.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LANCE MILLER, Vice President                                                                                                    
NANA Regional Corporation (NANA)                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 258.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SHARON CISSNA                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as sponsor of HB 270.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:08:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PEGGY  WILSON  called the  House  Transportation  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting   to  order   at  1:08   p.m.  Representatives                                                               
Gruenberg, Petersen, Munoz, Feige, and  P. Wilson were present at                                                               
the call to order.   Representative Pruitt arrived as the meeting                                                               
was in progress.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:08:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          HB 271-COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE REQUIREMENTS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:09:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON announced that  the first order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO.  271, "An  Act relating  to the  state highway                                                               
system and commercial motor vehicle requirements."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:09:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WES KELLER, Alaska  State Legislature, stated that                                                               
HB 271  will expand  the gross vehicle  rate (GVR)  weight rating                                                               
from 10,000  to 14,000 pounds  to allow newer pickups  to operate                                                               
without being  considered commercial vehicles.   As an  aside, he                                                               
mentioned he holds a commercial  vehicle license.  He pointed out                                                               
that newer  pickups and the  GVR is  over the 10,000  pound limit                                                               
for noncommercial vehicles.  He  related that the Alaska Trucking                                                               
Association (ATA)  suggested these changes and  the bill received                                                               
favorable  comments  thus far.    He  has  also worked  with  the                                                               
Department of Transportation & Public  Facilities (DOT&PF) on the                                                               
matter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:11:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  Munoz  moved  the proposed  Committee  Substitute                                                               
(CS) for  HB 271,  labeled 27-LS1158\I,  Martin, 2/10/12,  as the                                                               
work draft.   There being no objection, Version I  was before the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:11:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIM  POUND,  Staff,  Representative   Wes  Keller,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, on behalf of Representative  Keller, stated that the                                                               
current law  was written  in 1999  at a  time when  pickup trucks                                                               
were smaller.   He related  that some  pickup trucks are  used as                                                               
pilot trucks  and this bill would  allow them to include  a "one-                                                               
ton dually," which a vehicle with  an extra set of rear tires, in                                                               
a noncommercial status.  These  dual-wheel vehicles put more tire                                                               
on the road  to spread out the  weight so there is  less wear and                                                               
tear  on the  roads.   He  admitted  while is  not  an expert  on                                                               
trucking   that  several   testifiers  are   present  to   answer                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:12:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ asked him to address any cost savings.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. POUND  deferred to  the DOT&PF to  address any  cost savings.                                                               
He reported  that many individuals  driving pilot cars  are under                                                               
18  years of  age and  are not  eligible for  commercial drivers'                                                               
licenses.  This  bill would allow them to  drive one-ton vehicles                                                               
while   still   working    towards   their   commercial   vehicle                                                               
certification.     He   suggested  that   sometimes  workers   on                                                               
construction sites  are asked to run  errands such as to  pick up                                                               
something at a lumber yard and this will allow them to do so.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:14:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  asked  for clarification  on  the  changes                                                               
contained in Version I.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  POUND  answered  the  primary  change  made  was  to  remove                                                               
language that  pertained to federal hazardous  materials that the                                                               
state   must  comply   with   [under   the  Hazardous   Materials                                                               
Transportation Act (HMTA)], often referred to as HAZMAT.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:14:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE related  his understanding  one reason  the                                                               
HAZMAT  placards  are  placed  on vehicles  is  to  notify  first                                                               
responders of  the impending  issue of  hazardous materials.   He                                                               
asked for any compelling reason to remove this requirement.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. POUND  answered that the  placards are federally  managed but                                                               
are state inspected.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:15:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  referred to page  2, which read,  "(A) used                                                               
to  transport passengers  or property  for intrastate  commercial                                                             
purposes;" which  relates to commercial  vehicles.  He  asked how                                                             
this language  would apply to interstate  commercial purposes and                                                               
whether this vehicle would be considered a commercial vehicle.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. POUND  offered his belief that  it would not be  considered a                                                               
commercial vehicle  if the  vehicle is under  14,000 pounds.   He                                                               
suggested the same rules would  apply to any vehicle under 14,000                                                               
pounds GVW.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  asked for  an  explanation  of adding  the                                                               
phrase.   He referred  back to  page 3, line  1, to  the language                                                               
that increases the weight from 10,000 to 14,000 pounds.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DAN  BREEDEN,  Director,  Division  of  Measurement  Standards  &                                                               
Commercial  Vehicle Enforcement,  Department of  Transportation &                                                               
Public  Facilities  (DOT&PF),  responded   that  the  bill  would                                                               
deregulate  the operations  in  intrastate  commerce under  those                                                               
specific rules.   He said that  all federal rules would  apply as                                                               
usual to any interstate commerce.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:17:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  related his  understanding that  the intent                                                               
of HB  271 is to allow  F-350 trucks normally driven  as personal                                                               
vehicles  to  be  used  on construction  sites.    He  questioned                                                               
whether  that goal  can be  accomplished simply  by changing  the                                                               
weight  requirements.   He further  questioned whether  a vehicle                                                               
would be considered a private  noncommercial vehicle based solely                                                               
on the vehicle weight falling below 14,000 pounds.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BREEDEN answered  that the  minimum weight  is being  raised                                                               
from  10,000   to  14,000  pounds  for   intrastate  commerce  to                                                               
accommodate and  not regulate those  vehicles.  The  division has                                                               
previously  treated commercial  vehicles  the  same whether  they                                                               
were used  for interstate or  intrastate purposes.   He explained                                                               
that currently drivers  under 18 years of age are  not allowed to                                                               
operate commercial  vehicles.  He added  that other requirements,                                                               
such as rules associated with  hours of service would also apply;                                                               
however,  it   would  be  unacceptable  to   regulate  interstate                                                               
commerce due to  the federal requirements.   He characterized the                                                               
federal regulations as being overreaching ones.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:18:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON paraphrased that  in Alaska the state would raise                                                               
the standard for younger drivers  and allows them to use vehicles                                                               
that weigh more than 10,000  pounds, but limited to 14,000 pounds                                                               
or  less; however,  federal  rules would  continue  to apply  for                                                               
interstate use.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREEDEN concurred.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:19:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  inquired as  to whether HAZMAT  rules would                                                               
apply to commercial vehicles used in intrastate commerce.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BREEDEN answered  absolutely yes.   The  HAZMAT rules  would                                                               
apply to  any HAZMAT transport  regardless of the size  or weight                                                               
of  the vehicle.   He  stated that  the federal  interstate rules                                                               
would  also  apply  since  HAZMAT  is  a  federal  program.    He                                                               
explained that  the DOT&PF adopts  and enforces the  federal law.                                                               
He  reiterated  that the  federal  law  applies with  respect  to                                                               
HAZMAT.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE referred  to page  2, line  9, and  also to                                                               
page  3, lines  4-7 of  the bill.   He  questioned the  reason to                                                               
include this specific language in statute.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREEDEN responded  that the language is redundant.   The rule                                                               
applies  without this  added statutory  language so  the language                                                               
was removed for clarity.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:20:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN recalled  earlier testimony  that people                                                               
under the ages of  18 were driving pilot cars.   He said based on                                                               
his experience of  having hired numerous drivers  in his business                                                               
career that the first requirement is  drivers must be 18 years or                                                               
older in order  to obtain insurance coverage.   He questioned the                                                               
safety factors  of using drivers under  the age of 18  to operate                                                               
pilot  vehicles,  assuming  the   vehicles  following  the  pilot                                                               
vehicle  are carrying  extremely large  loads and  are ones  that                                                               
will require oversize permits.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  POUND  was aware  some  drivers  under  the  age 18  hold  a                                                               
commercial  driver's license  (CDL) and  operate pilot  vehicles.                                                               
He  offered his  belief that  the CDL  requirement "kicks  in" at                                                               
10,000  pounds.   He suggested  it  was possible  for someone  to                                                               
drive a pilot vehicle, but not obtain a CDL to drive a truck.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:22:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN  recalled earlier testimony  with respect                                                               
to less road wear by trucks.  He was unsure of the context.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. POUND  clarified that he  was referring to  dual-wheel trucks                                                               
and not the smaller F-110 trucks.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:22:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   FEIGE  referred   to  Section   3  and   to  the                                                               
definition.    He  expressed concern  that  this  language  would                                                               
remove the authority of the  state to inspect vehicles under this                                                               
section involved in interstate commerce.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BREEDEN  responded  that   the  interstate  regulations  are                                                               
adopted in  17 AAC,  Chapter 25.   He  explained that  the DOT&PF                                                               
adopts these  federal regulations by  reference so all  the rules                                                               
would  apply,  but  this  section  would  eliminate  the  state's                                                               
oversight  of intrastate  operations for  vehicles weighing  less                                                               
than 14,000 pounds.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:24:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE asked whether  this section would only apply                                                               
to Title 19, but would not apply to Title 17.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREEDEN asked for clarification on the question.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  referred to page  2, beginning on  line 24,                                                               
and  asked  whether  the  state  has  the  authority  to  inspect                                                               
interstate commerce other than in Title 19.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BREEDEN   answered  yes.     He   referred  to   the  Alaska                                                               
Administrative Code  (AAC) Title 17, which  adopts the interstate                                                               
requirements under 49 CFR 300-399, almost entirely.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:25:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AVES  THOMPSON, Executive  Director, Alaska  Trucking Association                                                               
(ATA),  Inc., stated  the ATA  is a  statewide organization  that                                                               
represents  the interests  of nearly  200  member companies  from                                                               
Barrow  to   Ketchikan.    He   related  that   freight  movement                                                               
represents a  large segment  of the  state's economy  and affects                                                               
everyone each and every day.   He said, "The simple truth is that                                                               
if  you got  it, a  truck  brought it."    He also  said that  as                                                               
vehicles  have gotten  larger  they now  fall  under the  current                                                               
definition of  intrastate commercial  motor vehicles,  which have                                                               
historically  not been  considered commercial  vehicles, such  as                                                               
pickup trucks,  small step vans,  and small trailers.   Version I                                                               
would change the definition of  intrastate commercial vehicles to                                                               
those  vehicles under  14,000 pounds  to  reduce the  regulation.                                                               
This bill is  aimed at small contractors, such  as small delivery                                                               
vehicles, vans,  small step vans,  and trailers.  He  related one                                                               
of the ATA's  legislative priorities is to  change the definition                                                               
of intrastate commercial vehicle  to reduce the regulatory burden                                                               
on  small  business.     He  elaborated  that   for  purposes  of                                                               
commercial  vehicle regulation  and  inspection  Version I  would                                                               
raise  the weight  threshold  on  intrastate commercial  vehicles                                                               
from  10,000  to 14,000  pounds  GVW  rating for  inspection  and                                                               
safety regulation purposes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMPSON said HB 271  would affect small contractors, such as                                                               
lawn   care    workers,   carpenters,   plumbing    and   heating                                                               
professionals, small  delivery vehicles,  and pilot cars  who use                                                               
those types of  vehicles.  Pickup trucks and  small step-vans are                                                               
getting larger  and heavier and  have been exceeding  the current                                                               
10,000  pounds GVW  rating and  by definition  are designated  as                                                               
commercial vehicles  for safety  and inspection purposes.   Pilot                                                               
cars are  vehicles that  accompany oversize load  to serve  as an                                                               
extension of the  warning system for oversize loads.   Their work                                                               
is  almost always  designated as  intrastate  commerce and  would                                                               
fall under the bill.  He  related that the "bump" over the 10,000                                                               
mark requires  drivers to obtain medical  certification, complete                                                               
daily  vehicle inspection  reports,  perform annual  inspections,                                                               
and  submit  several  other  items   to  DOT&PF  for  compliance.                                                               
Additionally, vehicles  over the 10,000 pound  threshold are also                                                               
subject to  federal regulations adopted into  the DOT&PF's Alaska                                                               
Administrative  Code.     This  bill  would   exclude  commercial                                                               
vehicles no more  than 14,000 pounds GVW  rating from unnecessary                                                               
regulation.  This bill would  not change the commercial status of                                                               
intrastate  vehicles for  the purposes  of registration  with the                                                               
Division  of Motor  Vehicles (DMV).   Further,  this bill  has no                                                               
fiscal impact  on the state.   He emphasized that  these vehicles                                                               
do not need  this level of scrutiny since  they typically operate                                                               
in a  limited geographical area and  are not subject to  the wear                                                               
and tear  that other larger  commercial vehicles experience.   He                                                               
urged members to act favorably on this bill.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:28:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON asked him  to elaborate on any  costs associated                                                               
with the DOT&PF's requirements.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMPSON acknowledged  that some  costs are  associated with                                                               
acquiring  forms,   but  not  for   registering  with   the  U.S.                                                               
Department  of  Transportation  (DOT)  to obtain  a  DOT  number.                                                               
Additionally, other  regulations require annual reporting  on the                                                               
number  of  vehicles,  drivers, and  insurance  updates.    These                                                               
inspections can be  time-consuming, taking anywhere from  5 to 15                                                               
minutes each  day to  inspect a vehicle,  prepare and  submit the                                                               
necessary  reports  to  the  dispatcher   or  management  of  the                                                               
company.   Those forms must  be held  and are subject  to audits.                                                               
Further, annual  medical certifications are also  required.  Each                                                               
of these requirements has associated  costs.  The ATA finds these                                                               
requirements unnecessary  regulation and  this bill  will lighten                                                               
the burden on small businesses and pilot car operators.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:30:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  asked  when  a  commercial  vehicle  is                                                               
required to submit to weight scales.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.   THOMPSON  answered   that  currently   commercial  vehicles                                                               
weighing 10,000  pounds must submit  to weigh scales.   He stated                                                               
that under this  bill a 14,000 pound  noncommercial vehicle would                                                               
not be required to stop at a weigh station.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:31:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT noted that having  a lower weight limit for                                                               
noncommercial  vehicles  will  affect  a  significant  number  of                                                               
people, including  independent delivery  drivers.   He emphasized                                                               
that it is  time consuming for these vehicles to  submit to weigh                                                               
stations.   He related a scenario  in which a small  delivery van                                                               
may be  subjected to a  5-45 minute delay in  order to stop  at a                                                               
weigh  station.     Additionally,   some  employees   of  smaller                                                               
companies may  only be employed  for six months, but  must submit                                                               
to the requirements  for commercial vehicle drivers.   He offered                                                               
his belief  that this  bill will help  small business  owners and                                                               
independent operators  who should not  be subjected to  the added                                                               
requirements.   He suggested improved technology  of the vehicles                                                               
and what they can withstand has also increased.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:32:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said this is  a good  bill and he  is a                                                               
cosponsor of the bill.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN asked for DOT&PF's position on the bill.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREEDEN  responded that the DOT&PF  is very much in  favor of                                                               
the bill as written.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:33:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  referred  to  the  bill  title,  which                                                               
relates to the state highway  system.  He suggested the committee                                                               
may wish  to tighten  the title.   He  asked whether  the sponsor                                                               
would agree to an amendment.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  POUND  answered  that  the sponsor  would  have  no  problem                                                               
tightening the title.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:35:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON, after first  determining no one else  wished to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 271.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:35:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG made  a  motion to  adopt a  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1, to narrow the title as narrowly as possible.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  suggested adding  language to  the existing                                                               
title,  "and the  weight threshold  limits  for commercial  motor                                                               
vehicles."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  related  that  the  specific  language                                                               
would suffice for  the second half of the title,  but he remained                                                               
concerned that  the first half  of the  title is broad  enough to                                                               
allow  activities  such as  naming  bridges,  which he  found  as                                                               
acceptable language.   He asked  the committee to allow  the bill                                                               
drafters to develop language to tighten the title.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Conceptual Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:37:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ  moved  to report  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)   for  HB  271,  Version   27-LS1158\I,  Martin,                                                               
2/10/12,   as  amended,   out   of   committee  with   individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying fiscal notes.   There being                                                               
no  objection,   CSHB  271(TRA)  was  reported   from  the  House                                                               
Transportation Standing Committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:37:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:37 p.m. to 1:39 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
              HB 258-NATURALLY OCCURRING ASBESTOS                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WLSON announced that  the next order of  business would                                                               
be  HOUSE BILL  NO.  258,  "An Act  directing  the Department  of                                                               
Transportation  and Public  Facilities to  develop and  implement                                                               
standards and  operating procedures allowing  for the use  in the                                                               
construction  and  maintenance  of  transportation  projects  and                                                               
public facilities and  in the construction of  projects by public                                                               
and  private  entities  of gravel  or  aggregate  materials  that                                                               
contain  a limited  amount of  naturally occurring  asbestos, and                                                               
authorizing  use  on an  interim  basis  of those  materials  for                                                               
certain transportation  projects and public  facilities; relating                                                               
to certain  claims arising out of  or in connection with  the use                                                               
of gravel or  aggregate materials containing a  limited amount of                                                               
naturally  occurring asbestos;  and  providing  for an  effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ  made  a   motion  to  adopt  the  proposed                                                               
committee  substitute  (CS)  for  HB  258,  Version  27-LS0400\E,                                                               
Nauman, 2/19/12, as the work draft.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG objected for purpose of discussion.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:39:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REGGIE JOULE,  Alaska  State Legislature,  stated                                                               
that  naturally  occurring asbestos  (NOA)  is  found in  several                                                               
areas of the  state.  He related that while  ways to mitigate the                                                               
problems exist,  NOA has  been a recurring  problem in  the upper                                                               
Kobuk communities of  Ambler and Kobuk.  He referred  to a notice                                                               
in  committee   members'  packets   from  the   Federal  Aviation                                                               
Administration,  Airports Division,  Alaska  region (FAA),  dated                                                               
August, 15,  2011.   A sentence under  an Ambler  airport project                                                               
read,  as follows,  "Project delayed  until  a suitable  material                                                               
source can be found that does  not contain asbestos."  The letter                                                               
refers to the  Ambler Airport, and the communities  have not been                                                               
able to  "turn a shovel"  on capital projects for  several years.                                                               
He  explained that  a  draft  bill sought  to  rectify this,  but                                                               
unfortunately  the   issues  were  not  resolved.     He  further                                                               
explained that  he has worked  with DOT&PF and  Legislative Legal                                                               
in hopes to remedy the situation.   He highlighted that some land                                                               
ownership issues make this problem  unique, but the issue is that                                                               
asbestos is  found in its  naturally occurring state and  dust is                                                               
kicked  up every  time  an airplane  lands or  takes  off.   Thus                                                               
communities  cannot fix  water and  sewer systems,  build housing                                                               
projects, remedy  school playground issues, repair  a bridge that                                                               
is  close  to  collapse,  or repair  their  airport.    Normally,                                                               
obtaining  capital projects  for the  community means  people can                                                               
work and provide  for their families, which has not  has not been                                                               
the case in Ambler.   Additionally, a school construction project                                                               
in Kobuk  has been  hampered.   He concluded  that he  has worked                                                               
with the administration  to find remedies for the  issue of using                                                               
NOA.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:43:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON asked whether  the NOA is causing health problems                                                               
in the community.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOULE  answered  he  was unaware  of  any  health                                                               
related  impacts that  have occurred.   He  recalled some  people                                                               
were  surveyed  several  years  ago.   He  further  recalled  the                                                               
results were  "fairly clean" except  for people with  issues such                                                               
as  tobacco  use.     He  indicated  that  NOA   use  has  become                                                               
problematic in terms of how it is regulated by the state.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  stated that this  bill does not  have a                                                               
further referral to  the House Judiciary Standing  Committee.  He                                                               
said  the bill  contains extensive  tort immunity  sections.   He                                                               
expressed concern that  the immunity granted may  be broader than                                                               
necessary.   He recalled a  case in which  a man lost  his thumb.                                                               
He referred  generally to page 3,  line 15, through page  4, line                                                               
11, to Section 2.  He  then referred more specifically to page 3,                                                               
line  27, and  read, "for  an act  or omission  occurring in  the                                                               
course   of  extracting,   supplying,   transporting,  or   using                                                               
gravel..."  He  related a scenario in which a  person employed by                                                               
a trucking company  drives drunk and hits someone.   He expressed                                                               
concern that this language may immunize  the driver.  He asked to                                                               
consider this matter further.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOULE offered  his belief  this specific  section                                                               
has been thoroughly reviewed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:47:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  removed his  objection.  Version  E was                                                               
before the committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:47:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRODIE  ANDERSON,  Staff,  Representative  Reggie  Joule,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature, introduced himself.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
EMILY  NAUMAN, Attorney,  Legislative Legal  Counsel, Legislative                                                               
Legal and Research Services, introduced herself.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:48:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  asked  for  details  on  the  immunity                                                               
section and expressed his concerned  about potential overreach of                                                               
immunity.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NAUMAN  offered  a sectional  analysis  and  explained  that                                                               
Section 1 of  the bill contains legislative  findings and purpose                                                               
statements to explain and support the measure.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN  related that Section  2 of the bill  creates immunity                                                               
sections that Representative Gruenberg previously mentioned                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:50:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked  for  further  discussion on  the                                                               
immunity section.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NAUMAN   explained  that  the  immunity   section  basically                                                               
forecloses a suit  against a defendant on the  basis of ownership                                                               
of  land   or  in   the  course   of  extracting   or  supplying,                                                               
transporting  or   using  gravel  or  other   aggregate  material                                                               
containing NOA  less than .025  percent as long as  those actions                                                               
or omissions  are within  the requirements  of AS  18.31.250, the                                                               
section  for  private  contractors, and  AS  44.42.410(b),  which                                                               
pertains to the requirements for public construction.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG offered  to  reserve  his questions  on                                                               
immunity.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:51:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN  referred to subsection  (c), which would  foreclose a                                                               
suit against  the state  in the course  of approving  or creating                                                               
the monitoring and mitigating plan developed under this bill.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:52:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG referred  to page 4, line  4, of Version                                                               
E, to subsection (b).  He  said the key phrase is "direct control                                                               
or responsibility."   He commented that this would  seem to limit                                                               
possible defendants.  He asked  for clarification of who would be                                                               
the  possible defendants  with direct  control and  those without                                                               
direct control.  He further asked  which class of people would be                                                               
eliminated by the  term "direct control."  He recalled  a bill he                                                               
currently has before the legislature  that pertains to anti-trust                                                               
and to those  directly and indirectly damaged.   He characterized                                                               
this area  as a big issue.   He explained that  his bill pertains                                                               
to  classes of  plaintiffs while  HB 258  pertains to  classes of                                                               
defendants.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NAUMAN answered  that subsection  (b) describes  who can  be                                                               
sued over non-compliance  of land for both the site  use plan and                                                               
the monitoring  mitigation plans.   She said  a suit can  only be                                                               
brought for noncompliance against  essentially the person who has                                                               
primary   control  over   that   plan  and   some  control   over                                                               
construction site.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:54:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON explained  that the  site-specific plan  identifies                                                               
actions from  the extraction to  the construction plan,  chain of                                                               
the   construction    project   and   applies    to   extractors,                                                               
transporters, drivers, and construction  workers for the project.                                                               
This subsection was  developed in order to  preserve immunity for                                                               
extractors and  transporters who performed adequately,  even when                                                               
a construction contractor  did not.  Thus, if he  is correct, the                                                               
immunity would  not apply to  anyone in noncompliance,  or anyone                                                               
who doesn't follow the rules.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN agreed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:55:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG related  a  scenario  in which  someone                                                               
knowingly and  recklessly is aware  that the rules are  not being                                                               
followed,  which  creates a  hazardous  condition  and causes  an                                                               
injury.   He questioned  whether the  specific person,  who would                                                               
normally quite culpable, is also being immunized.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NAUMAN  related her  understanding  that  is how  this  bill                                                               
functions.   She  explained the  person held  responsible is  the                                                               
person who  has responsibility  over the  compliance requirements                                                               
set out in the permitting sections of the bill.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  related   his  understanding  that  AS                                                               
18.31.250 and  AS 44.42.410(b)  pertains to  permitting statutes.                                                               
He referred to  page 3, lines 27-28, "...occurring  in the course                                                               
of extracting,  supplying, transporting, or using  gravel..."  He                                                               
related  a scenario  in  which  someone negligently  manufactures                                                               
earth   moving  equipment   without  providing   adequate  safety                                                               
mechanisms  so subsequently  someone is  injured.   He questioned                                                               
whether  this  provision  would  also  immunize  the  caterpillar                                                               
company or the company that manufactured the equipment.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN said  her interpretation is different.   She explained                                                               
that  an  act  or  omission   must  be  in  compliance  with  the                                                               
permitting requirements.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  pointed out his scenario,  assumes that                                                               
the permitting was done properly,  but the earth moving equipment                                                               
had  a bolt  loose and  someone lost  his/her hand.   He  said it                                                               
seemed  that  this  provision  would  provide  immunity  even  if                                                               
everyone operated  in good faith.   He further asked  whether the                                                               
language would also provide immunity to the manufacturer.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NAUMAN said  she does  not  believe that  immunity would  be                                                               
extended in that  circumstance because the action must  be an act                                                               
or  omission   in  compliance  with   the  requirements   of  the                                                               
permitting section.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG offered to  hold further questions until                                                               
those sections were covered.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:59:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NAUMAN turned  to the  sectional analysis  and related  that                                                               
Section 3 adds AS 18.31.250 to  describe how a private person may                                                               
qualify for immunity through the permitting requirement.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN  stated that Section  4 adds  many new sections  to AS                                                               
44.42.400, which is the DOT&PF section.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON  remarked that  the  sponsor  has worked  with  the                                                               
administration  and in  doing so  has  strengthened the  proposed                                                               
program.   Initially, the program  was open-ended and  would have                                                               
required each region to create its  own program.  This bill would                                                               
create  one position  in the  DOT&PF  Commissioner's office  that                                                               
will perform  preliminary work, create  a database for  known NOA                                                               
sites, and  identify gravel  near NOA sites.   He  commented that                                                               
the NOA  sites could  include communities  such as  Juneau, which                                                               
has many sources of clean gravel, but also has NOA.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  explained the process,  including that  posting the                                                               
NOA  sites in  the database  allows  the DOT&PF  to identify  NOA                                                               
sites  for planning  purposes, and  would anticipate  projects in                                                               
those  regions to  allow communities  to stockpile  clean gravel.                                                               
The   sites  would   be  published   on  the   DOT&PF's  website.                                                               
Additionally,  the DOT&PF  would work  in conjunction  with other                                                               
departments to cover  any human health concerns.   He related the                                                               
administration  suggested   this  approach  to   consolidate  and                                                               
catalog.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:03:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG stated that he  did not see any cause of                                                               
action against the entity that  owned the property or against the                                                               
entity  doing   extraction;  however,  he  could   envision  some                                                               
organization  sued in  direct compliance  and under  the immunity                                                               
section could not take action  against the equipment manufacturer                                                               
for indemnification or  third party liability.   He stressed that                                                               
not  only would  the plaintiff  be prevented,  but the  defendant                                                               
would  also  be  prevented  from seeking  reimbursement  for  the                                                               
person who is truly at fault.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON related her  understanding that his issue  was a                                                               
legal issue separate from the NOA issue.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:04:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE referred  to page 3, line 18,  of Version E,                                                               
to  subsection  (a), and  read,  "A  civil  action or  claim  for                                                               
damages  or costs  alleging  as  asbestos-related death,  injury,                                                               
illness,  or  disability  or alleging  asbestos-related  property                                                               
damage...." He  related his understanding  that the intent  is to                                                               
prevent the company using NOA  on projects from being held liable                                                               
if someone  has an asbestos-related  illness.  He  questioned how                                                               
someone  losing   a  thumb  or   other  injury,   resulting  from                                                               
carelessness or  not following a  procedure or the design  of the                                                               
equipment would have  anything to do with asbestos.   He inquired                                                               
as to whether this subsection would address the issue.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:06:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  acknowledged that  Representative Feige                                                               
made an excellent  point, but the term "asbestos  related" is not                                                               
defined.  He said  that a lawyer would try to  make that as broad                                                               
as possible.   He  suggested defining  the term  so that  not all                                                               
asbestos related illnesses  are exempted.  He  related a scenario                                                               
in which  workers must wear  protective masks, but the  masks are                                                               
defectively  manufactured  so  the workers  develop  mesothelioma                                                               
cancer.  He  said he was unsure that immunity  should cover these                                                               
types of  problems.  He  characterized the  bill as a  good bill,                                                               
which could get  delayed due to difficult  policy legal questions                                                               
related to immunity.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON suggested he  may wish  to work on  the immunity                                                               
issues with Mr. Anderson.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  mentioned that  the companion bill  to HB  258 also                                                               
has a  referral to the  Senate Judiciary Standing Committee.   He                                                               
stressed that immunity  has been an issue from the  start and the                                                               
sponsor shares his concern.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT agreed he also shares the concern.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:08:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE understood  several types  of asbestos  and                                                               
forms exist,  including long and  short fiber asbestos.   He said                                                               
that one  type causes mesothelioma.   He offered his  belief that                                                               
the  definition of  NOA refers  to different  mineral types.   He                                                               
identified  part of  issue as  the loose  definition of  asbestos                                                               
that  is damaging.    He  asked whether  the  definition for  the                                                               
asbestos  of the  type that  is  problematic to  health could  be                                                               
tightened up.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON responded  that he has held  discussions with DOT&PF                                                               
today  on the  definition of  asbestos and  the sponsor  has been                                                               
considering adding a  second definition for asbestos.   He agreed                                                               
the definitions could be tightened up.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:10:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN wondered  if Alaska  is only  place that                                                               
has NOA,  and if  not, how other  states and  municipalities have                                                               
addressed the issue.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON remarked that  other jurisdictions  already have                                                               
built their roads.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON  answered that  California  and  Virginia have  NOA                                                               
programs including  regulations to  monitor use of  any NOA.   He                                                               
recalled that 12 other states  are currently considering adopting                                                               
similar regulations.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:11:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  asked  if  possible to  look  at  other                                                               
legislatures'  models in  terms  of culpability  and perhaps  not                                                               
have to reinvent the wheel.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  agreed.   He offered that  a substantial  amount of                                                               
the  language in  the bill  comes from  California's regulations.                                                               
He  acknowledged  that  HB  258  contains  an  expanded  immunity                                                               
section.   He pointed out that  Ambler has some gravel  which may                                                               
contain  NOA.   The sponsor  also  encourages the  proper use  of                                                               
gravel containing NOA.   He offered to research  how other states                                                               
handle NOA.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:13:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said it  would truncate  his questions,                                                               
if  the  bill had  a  House  Judiciary  Committee referral.    He                                                               
related his  understanding that this  bill seems like  good idea,                                                               
but  the  bill raises  issues  not  normally considered  in  this                                                               
committee.  He reiterated that he  did not have problems with the                                                               
concept of the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON agreed that  the liability issues are not usually                                                               
discussed in this committee.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:14:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ asked  whether NOA  is in  the dust  in the                                                               
region and for any health issues identified in the community.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON answered  that NOA exists in Ambler,  and gravel has                                                               
been used  in prior  construction projects, but  at the  time the                                                               
projects  were  developed testing  was  not  being conducted  and                                                               
regulations did not exist.  He  offered his belief that since NOA                                                               
exists he assumes NOA also  existed when the projects were built.                                                               
He  referenced  the  public  health  study  Representative  Joule                                                               
mentioned earlier.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:15:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ questioned  whether the  changes that  make                                                               
the materials unacceptable were due to federal or state law.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON responded  that he was unsure, but  now that testing                                                               
can be done  and NOA has been discovered in  the communities that                                                               
they are prohibited from using it.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:16:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN  pointed out that  gravel containing NOA can  be used,                                                               
but  it  creates  open  liability for  suits  related  to  people                                                               
contracting  diseases  such as  mesothelioma.    This bill  would                                                               
prevent  that  risk by  foreclosing  the  suit  on the  basis  of                                                               
asbestos related illness.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P.  WILSON asked  for  clarification  on whether  lawsuits                                                               
would  be  prevented  if everyone  in  the  community  contracted                                                               
mesothelioma.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NAUMAN offered  her belief  if all  of the  actions were  in                                                               
compliance  with the  permitting requirements  that would  be the                                                               
case.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:17:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALICE EDWARDS,  Director, Division of Air  Quality, Department of                                                               
Environmental Conservation (DEC0, stated  that the department has                                                               
coordinated with other  agencies and the sponsor on HB  258.  She                                                               
highlighted that  the department's primary  concern is to  try to                                                               
mitigate  any  public  health hazards  which  result  from  being                                                               
exposed  to  the NOA  materials  used  in  these projects.    She                                                               
acknowledged that lots  of NOA exists and has been  used in these                                                               
communities.    The  Department of  Health  and  Social  Services                                                               
(DHSS) has conducted studies and can better address the issues.                                                                 
MS. EDWARDS said  that the primary health impacts  are those from                                                               
exposure to  inhaled asbestos  fibers.   She explained  that when                                                               
asbestos materials are used on  road surfaces, dust is kicked up,                                                               
and people  can inhale it.   She related her  understanding there                                                               
is no  safe level for  contact with  asbestos so people  in these                                                               
communities are  being exposed  to it  from dust  and use  of NOA                                                               
gravel.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:19:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  EDWARDS deferred  to public  health,  but said  she was  not                                                               
aware of any  actual cases of health concerns  that have occurred                                                               
as a  result of  the exposures; however,  impacts that  may occur                                                               
over a lifetime  so some cancers or diseases may  not show up for                                                               
a long time.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON asked how long the community has been there.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. EDWARDS said she did not know.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:20:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON surmised that if  it were harmful that the health                                                               
concerns should have been found in the elderly.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  EDWARDS pointed  out that  some populations  are small,  but                                                               
deferred to  DHSS to better  answer exposure risks.   She related                                                               
her  understanding   that  very  small  exposures   can  lead  to                                                               
asbestos-related diseases  as well as  high exposures  for people                                                               
who  have  worked  in  industries   that  have  been  exposed  to                                                               
asbestos-related  materials.   In  response  to  a question,  she                                                               
answered  she believed  there are  differences in  the types  and                                                               
forms of asbestos,  such as short versus long fibers  in terms of                                                               
health risks they pose.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:21:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  related   his  understanding  that  the                                                               
division  has performed  air quality  testing  and has  developed                                                               
baseline data.   He  suggested if  this bill  passed and  NOA was                                                               
used  and  suddenly breathing  problems  or  other health  issues                                                               
arose  that  the  department  would   know  how  much  additional                                                               
asbestos was added.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. EDWARDS agreed air monitoring  was done but she was uncertain                                                               
whether  the division  could detect  changes.   She  acknowledged                                                               
some  baseline  work  has  been   performed,  including  the  EPA                                                               
conducting  air  sampling.    The  DEC has  looked  at  dust  and                                                               
particulate matter  for asbestos and prior  health studies, which                                                               
provide  a  baseline.    However,  she  was  unsure  whether  the                                                               
division  would  be  able  to  distinguish  between  new  or  old                                                               
asbestos sources, and if it would be possible to separate them.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P.  WILSON remarked  that  the  exposure would  be  higher                                                               
during construction.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:22:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  referred  to   page  2,  lines  11-15,                                                               
related  to  federal  preemption.   He  read,  "...fibers  are  a                                                               
significant  threat...and are  subject  to  close regulations  by                                                               
federal and  state authorities...."   He referred to  the federal                                                               
sites  Clean  Air Act  (CAA)  and  Toxic Substances  Control  Act                                                               
(TSCA).  He related his  understanding that these laws pertain to                                                               
one  issue,  which   is  use  of  materials   containing  NOA  in                                                               
construction  projects.     He  asked  whether   Ms.  Nauman  has                                                               
researched the federal  regulations to the extent  that she could                                                               
answer whether  any constitutional  issues exist with  respect to                                                               
the indirect violations of the  interstate commerce clause or the                                                               
supremacy  clause   due  to  the  close   regulation  by  federal                                                               
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN  offered to  further research this.   She  related her                                                               
understanding is  that the aforementioned acts  refer to asbestos                                                               
which is  not naturally occurring.   She said that  would explain                                                               
the  second clause,  which read  "...use of  materials containing                                                               
naturally  occurring asbestos  in  construction  projects may  be                                                               
regulated by states;".                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG,  assuming she was correct,  inquired as                                                               
to whether  any other federal  regulations that may  be involved.                                                               
He asked to  hear from any of the departments  if they were aware                                                               
of any federal issues.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:26:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. NAUMAN  turned to the  sectional analysis.  She  related that                                                               
Sections 5 and 6 are temporary  provisions to help bridge the gap                                                               
since  this bill  has an  immediate effective  date.   She stated                                                               
that Section 6 outlines the testing method.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:26:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG pointed out that  he serves on a Council                                                               
of  State Governments'  committee on  suggested legislation.   He                                                               
referred to Section 6 of Version E,  to page 10, lines 22-30.  He                                                               
explained  that this  establishes  that until  DOT&PF adopts  the                                                               
method of bulk  testing that the department  shall use California                                                               
Air Resources Board  Method 435 as the basis  for determining the                                                               
asbestos content.   He  was aware  some people  expressed concern                                                               
that  Alaska  may be  deferring  its  regulatory authority.    He                                                               
recalled  that  other  states expressed  similar  concerns.    He                                                               
merely pointed out that the deferral authority is in this bill.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P.  WILSON  acknowledged  that  this  provision  would  be                                                               
temporary so she said she was not concerned.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:28:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT JONES, Vice Mayor, City of  Ambler, stated that he has been                                                               
the mayor for  five or six years.   He has lived  in Ambler since                                                               
the  1970s.   He  said he  has  heard so  many  questions on  the                                                               
asbestos  issue today.    He related  his  understanding that  it                                                               
takes 25-40  years for  asbestos to affect  health.   He reported                                                               
that about  20 people  in past 20-25  years have  had respiratory                                                               
issues,  but  these people  did  not  specify whether  they  were                                                               
smokers.   He  pointed out  that  smokers are  80-100 times  more                                                               
susceptible to respiratory problems than anyone exposed to NOA.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES  said he was  involved in  August 2007 with  an airport                                                               
rehabilitation  during which  Nortech Environmental  Engineering,                                                               
Health and Safety (NORTECH) tested  operators and airport workers                                                               
involved  with handling  NOA, but  the results  did not  show any                                                               
significant impact.   He recalled other testing has  been done by                                                               
the Alaska Native Tribal Health  Consortium (ANTHC).  He detailed                                                               
the  monitoring  and  protective measures  taken  during  airport                                                               
rehabilitation.    He reported  that  there  are seven  types  of                                                               
asbestos consisting of short and  long fiber materials.  The long                                                               
fiber asbestos  does not pose  a problem  until it is  crushed or                                                               
ground and becomes  airborne.  He also recalled  comments made by                                                               
one tester  during the mid-1990s that  there was so much  dust in                                                               
Ambler the  equipment could  not get a  reading on  the asbestos.                                                               
He  further  recalled  the  findings  were  that  the  silt  dust                                                               
constituted  more  of a  health  risk  than  NOA.   He  expressed                                                               
concern  over  the committee's  discussions  to  get the  details                                                               
right while nine  people live in 2-bedroom houses in  Ambler.  He                                                               
stated that no hew houses have  been built since the 1990s due to                                                               
the asbestos and requirements of all federal monies.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:33:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES related that Ambler  obtained a special waiver from the                                                               
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) due  to the dust problem in                                                               
Ambler.   He reported that  it took a coordinated  effort between                                                               
NANA Regional  Corporation, the  DOT&PF, and  Ambler to  make the                                                               
airport project  happen.  He  identified the biggest  problem has                                                               
been a  lack of regulations.   He  said California has  all seven                                                               
types of  asbestos, but has  developed regulations to  allow them                                                               
to use  the material and  mitigate the  dust problems.   He urged                                                               
people  to   adopt  rules,  regulations,  and   procedures.    He                                                               
described  the  worst  of  the dust  occurs  during  June,  July,                                                               
August, and September, but dust is  less of a problem the rest of                                                               
the year and it is not an issue when it rains or snows.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:35:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON asked for the most recent census figures.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES answered the population is 266.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON inquired as to the percentage of smokers.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JONES answered  that smoking  is  still pretty  common.   He                                                               
estimated about 25 percent of the population are smokers.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:36:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON asked if he has ever considered moving.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JONES answered no.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:36:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG recalled  that  the  14th Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature adopted  statutes related  to removing  asbestos from                                                               
schools,  including  a  training   program.    He  suggested  the                                                               
community  may wish  to  look  at the  training  aspects of  that                                                               
specific program.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON admitted he was not  aware of the statute, will look                                                               
into the program.  He offered to report back to the committee.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  recalled that the program  was not done                                                               
at state expense.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:37:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
UKALLAYSAAQ OKLEASIK,  Planning Director,  City of  Ambler stated                                                               
that Ambler is  a very beautiful community south  of Brooks Range                                                               
and  Noatak  National  Preserve  along   the  Kobuk  River.    He                                                               
characterized it  as a  wonderful place  to live.   Historically,                                                               
the area was identified as an  asbestos resource and in the 1940s                                                               
the  Arctic  Circle  Exploration   Company  mined.    Mining  was                                                               
discontinued during WWII  and due to a decline  in asbestos uses.                                                               
He related  that asbestos is  a high quality  resource associated                                                               
with jade  and two local  mountains are called Jade  and Asbestos                                                               
Mountains.   In 2003, concerns  were raised by the  community and                                                               
the Maniiliq Association  due to the dust.  The  Agency for Toxic                                                               
Substances and  Disease Registry  conducted an  investigation and                                                               
published a report  in 2007 which confirmed NOA was  found in the                                                               
gravel.   The  NWAB  supports  HB 258.    He  explained that  the                                                               
assembly will hear a resolution later  this month.  He said a lot                                                               
is at  stake for  the villages  along the  Kobuk River,  not just                                                               
Ambler,  but  potentially  in  Kobuk   village  with  new  school                                                               
construction  and   NOA  issues.    Other   communities  such  as                                                               
Shungnak, Juneau, and  Fairbanks in Alaska also  have NOA issues.                                                               
He explained that  lots of studies have  been conducted including                                                               
studies  performed by  the DOT&PF  since  2003, which  identified                                                               
problems and recommendations  to use NOA safely.   He referred to                                                               
a  September 2009  Nortech report  that outlined  recommendations                                                               
based on  the experience and  policies of other  states including                                                               
California and Virginia.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:41:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OKLEASIK  stated that  the  issue  is holding  up  community                                                               
development at the airport, road  maintenance, new housing, water                                                               
and sewer.   He pointed out the necessity to  replace gravel just                                                               
to maintain  their system.   He highlighted that beach  and river                                                               
erosion projects have  also been put on hold.   He concluded that                                                               
the community is really suffering  since its infrastructure is on                                                               
hold.  He  offered his belief that the bill  provides a very easy                                                               
solution  to  allow  work  with NOA  and  would  allow  community                                                               
development to happen.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:42:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ELIZABETH  HENSLEY, Corporate  and  Public  Policy Liaison,  NANA                                                               
Regional  Corporation  (NANA),  stated that  NANA  supports  this                                                               
bill.   She explained that about  $10 million in projects  are on                                                               
hold due  to NOA issues, but  the projects need to  move forward.                                                               
She   offered  that   the  Northwest   Arctic  Leadership   Team,                                                               
consisting of leadership of the  Northwest Arctic Borough (NWAB),                                                               
the  NWAB School  District, Maniilaq  Association,  which is  the                                                               
tribal  organization,  and  NANA  all  support  the  bill.    She                                                               
reiterated  that  the  bill  has  widespread  community  support,                                                               
including Ambler.   She reported that NANA is a  large land owner                                                               
in  the  region and  owns  about  38,000 square  miles  including                                                               
gravel resources.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:44:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LANCE MILLER,  Vice President,  NANA Regional  Corporation (NANA)                                                               
stated that the  iron rich rocks have existed for  quite a while.                                                               
He  related that  these rocks  contain various  asbestos minerals                                                               
found  throughout the  Brooks  Range and  Southeast  Alaska.   In                                                               
response to Representative  Feige, he reported that  the NOA type                                                               
is  chrysotile,  which  is  the least  toxic  type  of  asbestos.                                                               
However,  from the  perspective of  the Environmental  Protection                                                               
Agency (EPA), it  doesn't matter since it is an  asbestos form of                                                               
mineral.   He reiterated that  about $10 million in  projects are                                                               
on hold.   He said Ambler  is relatively new village,  but people                                                               
have been up  along the river for upwards of  10,000 years.  Some                                                               
of the highest concentrations of  asbestos are in the gravel bars                                                               
right in front  of Ambler since asbestos is deposited  as part of                                                               
a winnowing  effect.  He recalled  a reference to a  health study                                                               
which  did not  find any  evidence  of mesothelioma.   He  agreed                                                               
exposure presents a  good question, but pointed out  that NOA has                                                               
been around  for a long time  and people have been  breathing it.                                                               
He asked  to have NANA on  record as supporting the  bill to move                                                               
the projects forward.   He emphasized that a  lack of legislation                                                               
presents an issue for landowners.   He acknowledged some critical                                                               
airport emergency issues need to move  forward.  In response to a                                                               
question, he agreed he would be available to answer questions.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[HB 258 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:48:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
             HB 270-WARNING OF AIRPORT EXAMS/SCANS                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:48:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WLSON  announced that the final order  of business would                                                               
be,  HOUSE BILL  NO. 270,  "An  Act requiring  the Department  of                                                               
Transportation and Public Facilities  to require airports to post                                                               
warning  signs  outside  of   security  screening  areas  warning                                                               
passengers that they  are subject to searches of  their bodies by                                                               
physical   touching  and   by   electronic   devices  that   emit                                                               
radiation."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:48:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SHARON CISSNA,  Alaska State  Legislature, stated                                                               
that HB 270 is an important  bill in terms of screening processes                                                               
at Alaska's airports.  In December  2011, Alaska used a system of                                                               
procedures  without using  a scanner,  which included  performing                                                               
invasive examinations to ensure public  safety on flights.  Prior                                                               
to  the physical  screening procedures,  the airports  used metal                                                               
detectors,  which  were less  effective  in  detecting items  not                                                               
allowed on  airplanes.   She related  her understanding  that the                                                               
new scanner  does not view  the body as  a naked body,  since the                                                               
device shows  a symbol and  the location of something  that needs                                                               
further investigation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:50:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA said an item  identified by the new scanner                                                               
could be a  bomb; however, given the aging population  it is more                                                               
likely to be  a medical implant, a missing body  part as a result                                                               
of war,  cancer, or even  something natural.  She  explained that                                                               
once  the new  scanner identifies  a problem,  the Transportation                                                               
Security  Administration (TSA)  agent  will use  a more  invasive                                                               
procedure.   She reported that  beginning in February  2011 until                                                               
the end  of the  legislative session she  received over  1,000 e-                                                               
mails  and letters  from people  all over  the country,  of which                                                               
approximately 300 were from Alaskans.   She said that people also                                                               
stop her  on the street  and come into  her office to  tell their                                                               
stories.  She  offered her belief that the type  of reaction they                                                               
have exhibited  is typical of  someone who has  been traumatized.                                                               
She related that children or  elderly parents have been subjected                                                               
to the procedures.  She  acknowledged that the measures have been                                                               
put in place as a reaction to 9/11.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:53:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  pointed out  that she  has served  for ten                                                               
years on the  Special Committee of Military  and Veterans Affairs                                                               
so she shares security concerns,  but she also is concerned about                                                               
the  loss of  independence people  feel when  subjected to  these                                                               
invasive devices.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:53:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON turned the gavel over to Vice Chair Pruitt.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:54:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA explained that  this bill would require the                                                               
Department  of Transportation  &  Public  Facilities (DOT&PF)  to                                                               
post  an informational  sign  in each  Alaska  airport where  TSA                                                               
screening takes place.  The  sign's wording would warn passengers                                                               
of  the potentially  dangerous screening  procedures before  they                                                               
enter the  TSA controlled screening  area.  She pointed  out that                                                               
the notices would  be at larger airports flying to  Lower 48, not                                                               
at  smaller airports  since  the type  of  screening required  is                                                               
linked to size of airport.   She started to explain a TSA opt-out                                                               
form, but  realized the form did  not apply.  She  explained that                                                               
each airport will  be required to post a sign  at least 11 inches                                                               
by 14 inches outside the  security area to identify the screening                                                               
procedures  so  each  passenger  is  forewarned  about  the  body                                                               
scanning device.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  explained that  some people  have reported                                                               
they did  not realize the  manner in  which the TSA  people would                                                               
talk  to them.    This  posting would  help  since  it will  give                                                               
consumers a  warning to  be aware  that by  walking into  the TSA                                                               
area they are consenting to abide by the screening.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  said  the  state has  a  huge  number  of                                                               
airports  owned by  the DOT&PF.   She  identified the  Juneau and                                                               
Ketchikan airports as municipal airports.   The bill would notify                                                               
the governmental agency  that owns the airports  and leases about                                                               
the  requirement to  post  the small  sign.   She  asked to  have                                                               
additional  time to  check with  the leased  land proprietors  to                                                               
ascertain  whether the  requirement for  signage would  mesh with                                                               
their  procedures.   She  reiterated  that  this bill  will  help                                                               
prepare people and give them informed consent.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:00:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ thanked  her for her courage  on this issue.                                                               
She asked  for clarification  on radiation  issues.   She related                                                               
her  understanding that  the devices  have greater  radiation and                                                               
asked  how  the new  scanner  compares  to the  more  traditional                                                               
screening devices.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  answered that  she  did  not know.    She                                                               
expressed concern  over the absence  of third-party  oversight on                                                               
any   of  the   Transportation   Security  Administration   (TSA)                                                               
measures.  The Congress gave  TSA the right to write regulations.                                                               
She  explained  there  is  not  any way  to  determine  that  the                                                               
equipment  is safe.    She recalled  viewing  forms and  numerous                                                               
cautions from the manufacturers that  if the scanner equipment is                                                               
not properly  installed, calibrated,  and regularly  checked that                                                               
it  will not  be safe.   She  stressed that  the state  should be                                                               
extremely careful to ensure public health and safety.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:03:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  asked whether  the devices  emit radiation,                                                               
the quantity, or if it is electromagnetic.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  said she  did not know.   She  related her                                                               
understanding that the  scanners use a type of  radiation that is                                                               
a slower traveling radiation, which is of concern.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[HB 270 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:04:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Transportation Standing  Committee meeting was adjourned  at 3:04                                                               
p.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CSHB 271 draft.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB 271 Fed Standard CMV.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB 271 SPONSOR.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB 271 Vehicle classes.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB0271A.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB271-DOA-DMV-2-17-12.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB0270A.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 270
HB 270- Sponsor Statement.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 270
HB 270- Sectional Analysis.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 270
HB 270 Changes in Airport Passenger Screening.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 270
HB 258 vB.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HTRA 3/1/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 258
HB 258 INE study.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HTRA 3/1/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 258
HB258-DEC-AQ-02-16-12 Naturally Occurring Asbestos Fiscal Notes.msg HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HTRA 3/1/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 258
HB258-DHSS-EPI-02-17-12.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HTRA 3/1/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 258
HB258-DOLWD-LSS-2-17-12.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HTRA 3/1/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 258
HB258 Sponsor Stmt.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 258
Hb 271 Ak Truck support.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB 271 NFIB Support.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 271
Hb 271 Norcom Operations.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB271 AGC Letter.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB 258 CS Sectional Ver E.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 258
HB 258 CS Sectional Ver E.pdf HTRA 2/21/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 258