Legislature(2019 - 2020)GRUENBERG 120
04/23/2019 03:00 PM House STATE AFFAIRS
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| HB82 | |
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ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE
April 23, 2019
3:05 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Zack Fields, Co-Chair
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins, Co-Chair
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux
Representative Andi Story
Representative Adam Wool
Representative Sarah Vance
Representative Laddie Shaw
MEMBERS ABSENT
All members present
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
HOUSE BILL NO. 110
"An Act relating to the transfer of a title to a boat on the
death of the owner; relating to the transfer of a title to a
vehicle, including certain manufactured homes and trailers, on
the death of the owner; allowing a person to act for the
surviving spouse of a decedent to enforce liability against real
property transferred at death; and providing for an effective
date."
- MOVED CSHB 110(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE
HOUSE BILL NO. 31
"An Act making a special appropriation to the Alaska permanent
fund; and providing for an effective date."
- MOVED HB 31 OUT OF COMMITTEE
HOUSE BILL NO. 82
"An Act adding to the powers and duties of the State Commission
for Human Rights; and relating to and prohibiting discrimination
based on sexual orientation or gender identity or expression."
- MOVED HB 82 OUT OF COMMITTEE
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION
BILL: HB 110
SHORT TITLE: VEHICLES/BOATS: TRANSFER ON DEATH TITLE
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) SPOHNHOLZ
03/25/19 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
03/25/19 (H) STA, JUD
04/11/19 (H) STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120
04/11/19 (H) Scheduled but Not Heard
04/18/19 (H) STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120
04/18/19 (H) Heard & Held
04/18/19 (H) MINUTE(STA)
04/23/19 (H) STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120
BILL: HB 31
SHORT TITLE: APPROP: EARNINGS RESERVE TO PERM FUND
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) KREISS-TOMKINS
02/20/19 (H) PREFILE RELEASED 1/11/19
02/20/19 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/20/19 (H) STA, FIN
03/26/19 (H) STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120
03/26/19 (H) Heard & Held
03/26/19 (H) MINUTE(STA)
04/23/19 (H) STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120
BILL: HB 82
SHORT TITLE: DISCRIMINATION: GENDER ID.;SEXUAL ORIENT.
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) JOSEPHSON
03/06/19 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
03/06/19 (H) STA, JUD
03/28/19 (H) STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120
03/28/19 (H) Heard & Held
03/28/19 (H) MINUTE(STA)
04/11/19 (H) STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120
04/11/19 (H) <Bill Hearing Canceled>
04/23/19 (H) STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120
WITNESS REGISTER
REID HARRIS, Staff
Representative Kreiss-Tomkins
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced Amendment 1 to HB 110 on behalf
of Representative Kreiss Tomkins.
JENNA WAMSGANZ, Deputy Director
Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV)
Department of Administration (DOA)
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Discussed Amendment 1 to HB 110.
REPRESENTATIVE IVY SPOHNHOLZ
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the hearing on HB
110, as prime sponsor.
KEVIN MCGOWAN, Staff
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the hearing on HB
31 on behalf of Representative Kreiss-Tomkins, prime sponsor.
ANGELA RODELL, Chief Executive Officer
Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation (APFC)
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the hearing on HB
31.
REPRESENTATIVE ANDY JOSEPHSON
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided a brief summary of HB 82, as prime
sponsor.
JESSICA VAUDREUIL
Chevak, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to HB 82.
LILLIAN LENNON
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
ZHENIA PETERSON
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
DENISE SUDBECK, Ph.D.
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
LIN DAVIS
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
EMOGENE KIMBERLY LEA
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
ALYSON CURREY, Legislative Liaison
Planned Parenthood Votes
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
BRITT TONNESSEN
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
BECKY ANDERSON
Ester, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
REBECCA DUNNE
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
KRISTEN SCHUPP
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
ALEXANDER THORNTON
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
RIN KOWALSKI
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
ABIGAIL NORTH
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
MELANIE LINDHOLM
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
ALYSSA QUINTYNE, Community Organizer
The Alaska Center
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
ERIN WORLEY
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
HAYDEN NEVILL
Gender Pioneers
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
CRIS EICHENLAUB
Eagle River, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to HB 82.
HERMAN MORGAN
Aniak, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to HB 82.
BERT HOUGHTALING
Big Lake, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to HB 82.
MAUREEN LONGWORTH, MD
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
GREG WEAVER
Wasilla, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to HB 82.
CHRISTINE HUTCHINSON
Kenai, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to HB 82.
LOIS HENDERSON
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
ROSE O'HARA-JOLLY
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
ADAM HYKES
Homer, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to HB 82.
KRISTA CHRISTENSEN
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
TAMARA KRUSE-ROSELIUS
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 82.
ACTION NARRATIVE
3:05:26 PM
CO-CHAIR JONATHAN KREISS-TOMKINS called the House State Affairs
Standing Committee meeting to order at 3:05 p.m.
Representatives Vance, Shaw, LeDoux, Story, Wool, Fields, and
Kreiss-Tomkins were present at the call to order.
HB 110-VEHICLES/BOATS: TRANSFER ON DEATH TITLE
3:06:47 PM
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS announced that the first order of
business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 110, "An Act relating to the
transfer of a title to a boat on the death of the owner;
relating to the transfer of a title to a vehicle, including
certain manufactured homes and trailers, on the death of the
owner; allowing a person to act for the surviving spouse of a
decedent to enforce liability against real property transferred
at death; and providing for an effective date."
3:07:16 PM
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS opened public testimony on HB 110.
After ascertaining that no one wished to testify, he closed
public testimony.
3:08:36 PM
REID HARRIS, Staff, Representative Kreiss-Tomkins, Alaska State
Legislature, on behalf of Representative Kreiss-Tomkins,
introduced Amendment 1 [subsequently moved for adoption], which
read as follows:
Page 1, line 4, following "death;":
Insert "relating to changes of address;"
Page 6, following line 9:
Insert a new bill section to read:
"* Sec. 5. AS 28.05.071 is amended by adding a new
subsection to read:
(c) A person is not required to notify the
appropriate department of a change in mailing address
under (a) of this section if the person authorizes the
appropriate department to change the person's mailing
address automatically to match the current mailing
address maintained by the United States Postal
Service. A person shall notify the appropriate
department under (a) of this section of a change in
the person's residence address if the person's
residence address is different from the person's
mailing address."
Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.
Page 6, line 22:
Delete "Section 6"
Insert "Section 7"
Page 6, line 23:
Delete "sec. 7"
Insert "sec. 8"
MR. HARRIS said Amendment 1 would allow customers to authorize
the Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV), [Department of
Administration (DOA)], to automatically change their mailing
addresses to match the addresses used by the United States
Postal Service (USPS). It would simplify the process, since
many people who use USPS for address changes do not think to
update DMV.
3:09:29 PM
JENNA WAMSGANZ, Deputy Director, Division of Motor Vehicles
(DMV), Department of Administration (DOA), said DMV struggles
with a high volume of returned mail resulting from people going
to the USPS to change their address but not notifying DMV. The
ability to use the USPS database would allow DMV to update
addresses and reduce the volume of mail returned to DMV.
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS indicated that Amendment 1 would enhance
and promote efficiency for DMV.
3:11:01 PM
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS moved to adopt Amendment 1 [text
previously provided].
CO-CHAIR FIELDS objected for the purpose of discussion, then
withdrew his objection. There being no further objection,
Amendment 1 was adopted.
3:11:52 PM
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked about liability for the individual
receiving the property under HB 110.
3:12:20 PM
REPRESENTATIVE IVY SPOHNHOLZ, Alaska State Legislature, as prime
sponsor of HB 110, answered that "the liability follows the
asset." For example, if debt is owed on a vehicle that is
passed on to an heir through a transfer on death (TOD) deed,
then it would be the responsibility of the heir to make the
payments owed.
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked for clarification regarding
optionality of passing on [an asset]; that "it's not something
that they require to pass on in debt."
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ responded that if there is no debt
associated with asset, then no debt would be incurred by the
heir; however, if there is debt still associated with the asset,
then the heir would be required to pay off the loan. She gave
an example of a fishing boat. She explained that the proposed
legislation would streamline the process used in transferring
assets between a person and his/her beneficiaries; it moves it
out of the probate process, which can take a couple of years to
navigate. Further, it would not require the involvement of an
attorney; the paperwork could be filled out at DMV.
3:14:32 PM
CO-CHAIR FIELDS moved to report HB 110, as amended, out of
committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying
fiscal notes. There being no objection, CSHB 110(STA) was
reported from the House State Affairs Standing Committee.
HB 31-APPROP: EARNINGS RESERVE TO PERM FUND
3:14:56 PM
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS announced that the next order of
business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 31, "An Act making a special
appropriation to the Alaska permanent fund; and providing for an
effective date."
3:15:23 PM
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked how much currently is in the earnings
reserve account (ERA).
3:15:38 PM
KEVIN MCGOWAN, Staff, Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins,
Alaska State Legislature, on behalf of Representative Kreiss-
Tomkins, prime sponsor of HB 31, answered $18.4 billion. To a
follow-up question, he said there is $46.1 billion in the
corpus.
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked how HB 31 would affect the governor's
ability to pay back the permanent fund dividends (PFDs) that
previously were not paid in full.
MR. MCGOWAN answered, "The $5.5 billion transfer would ...
[leave] about $12.9 in the earnings reserve account."
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS added that that would be "ample cash on
the table to backpay PFDs," should that be the will of the
legislature and the governor.
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked what the motivation is for moving
$5.5 billion from the ERA when the legislature has not yet
finished discussing the budget, including crime reform.
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS answered that he cannot foresee any
scenario in which the legislature needs more than $12-$13
billion in the ERA, and historically, that amount is "north of
norms." He said he is "trying to get some of that excess cash
protected in the corpus."
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked, "Why put it in the permanent fund
... versus the [capital budget reserve] (CBR) that we have a
mandate to repay?"
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS answered because the corpus of the
permanent fund "is constitutionally protected and will be there
in perpetuity for future generations." He said historically,
the CBR "is not the same."
3:18:55 PM
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked Co-Chair Kreiss-Tomkins if he thinks
this would "hamstringing the legislature" into having to "make
draconian cuts" or reduce the permanent fund dividend.
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS answered no. If more money were
transferred out, thus leaving less, then that might happen;
however, leaving $12-$13 billion would not hamstring anybody.
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked if that means Co-Chair Kreiss-
Tomkins thinks the state is "so flush right now" that
legislators do not need to be concerned about cuts or a reduced
dividend.
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS answered as follows:
If the legislature wishes to balance the budget with a
mixture of permanent fund earnings and revenues that
it currently receives, it can do so. But that's sort
of a question for the Finance Committee and all of us
on the operating budget.
... I think the sort of underlying principle of this
bill is not spending more out of the permanent fund in
a year than is sustainable and putting cash safely in
the bank to ... protect from the temptation of
overdrawing ....
3:20:38 PM
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL noted that Co-Chair Kreiss-Tomkins had
previously stated that the $12 billion left after taking out the
$5.5 billion would be enough. He asked, "For what would you
need a reserve of $12 billion for, that $18 [billion] is too
much $7 [billion] is not enough?"
3:22:17 PM
ANGELA RODELL, Chief Executive Officer, Alaska Permanent Fund
Corporation (APFC), mentioned the ERA, Senate Bill 26 [passed
during the Thirtieth Alaska State Legislature and signed into
law on 6/27/18], and percent of market value (POMV), and she
said the draw for fiscal year 2020 (FY 20) will be $2.9 billion.
She explained that the corporation knows the amount, because the
figures lag by a year, so "it closed off with the closure of FY
18." She then related that APFC forecasts the draw for FY 21
will be approximately $3.1 billion. She said that barring
anything happening, $12 billion equates to approximately four
years' worth of POMV draws, "assuming that there is no statutory
net income made to replenish the draw amount" in the ERA. She
noted that there had been a proposal in one iteration of Senate
Bill 26 that would have provided to keep four years' worth of
POMV draw amounts in the ERA at any one time and put anything
over that back into the corpus. She concluded, "And so, I think
that this is a reflection of some of that ... activity in
there."
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL reiterated that after accruing $3 billion
per year for four years - or $12 billion - the rest could be
transferred to the corpus. He asked whether the ERA grows when
earnings are realized in the permanent fund through sales of
stocks or through earnings from stocks.
MS. RODELL replied, "Both." She stated that the ERA has assets
that grow, and "it gets everything that the corpus owns when we
realize it." She clarified, "So, the earnings reserve account
gets all of the unrealized gain from principle and earnings
reserve account, plus the cost basis from the earnings reserve
account."
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked for confirmation that the only way a
5.25 percent POMV draw can be made is with realized earnings -
either those realized from sales within the corpus of the fund
or those realized from sales within the ERA - "sort of cash on
hand."
MS. RODELL answered that is correct. The corporation monitors
the amounts realized; it tries not to sell assets to make
payments to the state if it does not have to do so. She said
APFC works with the Department of Revenue (DOR) "to optimize the
investment profile for the fund."
3:26:41 PM
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked how a four-year bear market would
affect the liquidity of the ERA.
MS. RODELL answered, "This isn't going to impact the liquidity
of the earnings reserve account." She explained:
What's going to happen is your POMV valuation is going
to change, because that reduced market value from the
market losses is going to reduce how much you can draw
when those years roll into the calculation. So, if
you have four years of market losses, those are going
to start coming to you in two, three, four years;
you're going to know that this is coming; you're going
to see the reduction in the draw amount; and you're
going to be able to plan accordingly around that.
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX surmised that in a bear market, and
following the law under Senate Bill 26, there either would have
to be "fairly hefty cuts to state government" or a smaller PFD.
MS. RODELL responded no. She explained, "This is not money
being spent out of the entirety of the fund. So, this $5.5
billion goes into the corpus. It's still part of the $64.5
billion that you calculate the draw amount off of, and then we
work with [the Department of] Revenue to make sure that the 5.25
percent - in this case $2.9 billion for FY 20 - is free and
available to be spent as cash." She explained the reason for
the one-year lag is to ensure the amount is known.
3:29:29 PM
REPRESENTATIVE STORY asked whether APFC has an opinion on HB 31.
MS. RODELL answered that the board has not taken a position on
the bill.
REPRESENTATIVE STORY asked if putting money into the corpus was
a way of inflation-proofing the fund.
MS. RODELL agreed that "in some ways this ... acts similar to
inflation proofing." She said the inflation-proofing
calculation happens every year based on actual inflation. She
said there were three years when inflation proofing was not
appropriated into the corpus of the fund. She said the board
feels strongly that inflation proofing needs to continue,
because that is how the purchasing power for future generations
of Alaskans is protected.
3:30:45 PM
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked, if the concern is "money tempting
the legislature," what the advantage is with "this scenario"
over establishing a spending cap in statute or constitutional
amendment.
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS replied, "I think we'll probably be
seeing that discussion on those measures potentially later this
session."
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX questioned why the bill sponsor would
choose to address the issue with HB 31 rather than with a
spending cap.
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS answered that the only spending cap that
would be unbreakable would be that done via a constitutional
amendment, and "there's no way that that would be enacted before
the voters have an opportunity to ratify any such constitutional
amendment, which would be in the 2020 election." That would
leave a year and a half without a hard spending cap. He called
HB 31 "an interim measure" that would keep the ERA flush and
roll over excess cash from the ERA into the corpus to be
protected for future generations "and use it at the four times
or so of draw."
3:32:43 PM
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS opened public testimony on HB 31. After
ascertaining no one wished to testify, closed public testimony.
3:34:13 PM
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE expressed concern that HB 31 would take
away the flexibility of the legislature to be able to fund "the
many areas of our government that we haven't had the full
discussion of." She offered her understanding that currently
the CBR has only enough money for "one good natural disaster."
She advocated for having the ability to utilize funds in the ERA
for unforeseen circumstances and to address crime reform issues.
She clarified that she is not a proponent of "spending down the
ERA," but indicated that HB 31 would take away the flexibility
for options before a full discussion has been held. She said
she does not want to "reduce the ERA down to a number that
provides just enough of a cushion for our PFDs in the future."
She stated that she would not be able to support HB 31 at this
time.
3:35:49 PM
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX expressed that she has "the same concerns
with this bill." She said while she has not seen a
constitutional amendment relating to a spending cap, she
presumes that "those bills, resolutions might have something in
them allowing for truly emergency situations." She gave a
recent earthquake as an example. She said the proposed
legislation does not provide for emergency situations. She said
she cannot support HB 31.
3:37:09 PM
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked how money gets back into the CBR and
how a slush fund for a major catastrophe would be set up. In
other words, he asked, "How does the CBR get funded?"
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS answered that there are funds available
for the legislature to move around as it sees fit. When there
is unexpected money due to increase in oil revenue, for example,
that money can be put into the CBR as savings. He said that is
what the legislature did from 2006-2011.
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL explained he wanted to know the actual
mechanics of handling the money. He asked whether money comes
in through the ERA and then gets put into the CBR or whether it
goes into the general fund (GF) and then any surplus then gets
put into the CBR. He explained, "I'm sort of interested in how
we get money back in the CBR to build it up again if that's sort
of our checking account."
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS responded, "The latter. It all goes in
general fund, and then the legislature can replenish funds as it
sees fit."
3:39:24 PM
REPRESENTATIVE STORY expressed her hope never to "go into" the
ERA. She said, "We cannot go into the corpus." She said she
knows the interest is based on the ERA and corpus of the fund.
She said she would support moving HB 31 to the next committee of
referral, because she wants to protect the permanent fund. She
expressed concern that "if we use up the earnings reserve, we
will not have a dividend in future years," and she asked if she
is correct in thinking that if [the ERA] diminishes, there will
not be a dividend. She said she understands there will be
fluctuations in the amount of the dividend based on the market.
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS confirmed that if the legislature
overspends and the ERA "bottoms out," Representative Story is
correct that there would be no money available for the PFD.
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS told Representative LeDoux that her
point was well-taken regarding emergencies. He said his working
assumption is that $12 billion in the ERA provides plenty of
liquidity with which to handle emergencies. He said it is a
scenario to keep in mind.
3:42:50 PM
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL moved to report HB 31 out of committee with
individual recommendations [and the accompanying fiscal notes].
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE objected.
A roll call vote was taken. Representatives Shaw, Story, Wool,
and Kreiss-Tomkins voted in favor of the motion.
Representatives LeDoux and Vance voted against it. Therefore,
HB 31 was reported out of the House State Affairs Standing
Committee by a vote of 4-2.
HB 82-DISCRIMINATION: GENDER ID.;SEXUAL ORIENT.
3:43:49 PM
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS announced that the final order of
business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 82, "An Act adding to the
powers and duties of the State Commission for Human Rights; and
relating to and prohibiting discrimination based on sexual
orientation or gender identity or expression."
3:44:06 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ANDY JOSEPHSON, Alaska State Legislature,
provided a brief summary of HB 82, as prime sponsor. He said
the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer or
questioning (LGBTQ) community does not enjoy the same protection
as everyone else, and HB 82 would give them that protection
through the remedies available through the Alaska State
Commission for Human Rights (ASCHR) and Alaska's civil rights
laws in the areas of employment, housing, public accommodation,
and financing practices.
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL noted that an ordinance in Fairbanks on the
same issue was controversial. He said the committee received a
letter about a transgender female being denied access to a
women's shelter. He asked Representative Josephson if he wanted
to address these topics or pass the bill out of committee and
"let the courts figure that stuff out."
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON said he is prepared to answer those
questions, but "we" can't wait until every hypothetical scenario
is solved before "this class of individuals" is protected by
civil rights. He pointed out that questions about affirmative
action are still unresolved by the U.S. Supreme Court. He
articulated that in the situation referred to by Representative
Wool, an individual sued when she was "not invited into a
religiously based domestic violence shelter." He offered his
understanding that the shelter was run by the Hope Church, and
the church sought a declaration from federal court that the
shelter did not need to invite this the individual into the
shelter. He said that the Anchorage Equal Rights Commission
(AERC) took a position that the federal court should stand down,
demur, and wait for the commission's investigation to continue.
He concluded, "Those things will get resolved, and that's an
example of what I'm talking about."
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL said he did not intend to "go into the
weeds" of all the potential "things," but just wanted to know
whether the sponsor planned to deal with the possible situations
under HB 82.
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON said it could be that the Hope Church
will prevail, in which case there is a provision in Section 6 of
the bill related to ministerial activity and churches. He said
someone could argue that churches are public accommodations, but
he reiterated that all these issues could not be solved "without
waiting for generations to pass this bill."
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL noted that the example given was regarding a
religious affiliation; he speculated that the issue would still
have to be addressed if it had happened in connection with a
nonprofit agency's shelter.
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON noted that in the various articles he
provided to the committee, there are other shelters mentioned
that do not have any issue with transgender persons.
3:50:27 PM
The committee took an at-ease from 3:50 p.m. to 3:51 p.m.
3:51:14 PM
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE referred to the use of the phrase "public
accommodation", on page 5, line 4, of HB 82, [Section
7(a)(2)(A)]. She said she had asked for a definition, then
stated that "public accommodation" has an exhaustive definition
as "a place that caters or offers its services, goods, or
facilities to the general public," and that includes: public
inns, restaurants, eating houses, hotels, motels, bathrooms, and
public amusement businesses. She said under HB 82, anyone who
states, or even implies, that he/she does not want to allow
public accommodation for anyone, that person would be breaking
the law. She asked what kind of protections there are for sole
proprietors of businesses with public accommodations that "don't
feel comfortable with an individual coming into their
accommodation for whatever reason."
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON answered that "there is no
accommodation of that feeling in the bill." He said the
philosophy is that when a person puts himself/herself into
commerce, there are rules that he/she must follow. He mentioned
the Heart of Atlanta Motel, Inc. v. United States case in 1964,
when the U.S. Civil Rights Act [of 1965] was challenged and the
U.S. Supreme Court said African Americans need to travel for
business to make a living, and it is a hassle for them not to
find accommodations readily. He opined the result of the case
was great and "it was an economic way to get to a justice
conclusion." He clarified that the same analysis applies here,
because there is a theory that those who put themselves "into
the economy" must play by a certain set of rules. He added,
"And I'm trying to change those rules."
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE responded that there are "some loose
definitions here." She directed attention to the word
"implies", on page 5, line 2, and said that it can mean many
things and could create legal challenges. She expressed concern
regarding the accommodation industry in Alaska; people open
their homes - either through Airbnb or a bed and breakfast; a
single host may feel uncomfortable letting in a person "for
whatever reason"; and under HB 82, even the implied discomfort
would be breaking the law.
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON answered that that is how he reads the
proposed legislation. He recollected from past legal study that
the U.S. Civil Rights Act has certain exemptions for a boarding
house with five or fewer rooms. He stated, "Bills are known ...
to have carve-outs, like the one you're talking about; this one
doesn't have that."
3:56:24 PM
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE moved to adopt Amendment 1, labeled 31-
LS0177\A.1, Wayne, 3/28/19, which read as follows:
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"(20) "natural person" means a human being,
regardless of age, race, religion, size, sex,
citizenship, ancestry, disability, deformity,
location, gender identity, sexual orientation, stage
of development, life expectancy, or condition of
dependency from the moment of conception;
(21) "preborn child" means a natural person
from the moment of conception who has not yet left the
womb;"
Renumber the following paragraph accordingly.
CO-CHAIR FIELDS objected.
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE spoke to Amendment 1. She mentioned that
the proposed legislation is a human rights bill to protect
individuals against discrimination. She said that "the preborn"
have been "discriminated against or simply discarded for
whatever reason." She stated her belief that "these millions of
individuals should have representation when it comes to the
human rights." She asked for consideration of Amendment 1.
CO-CHAIR FIELDS said he cannot support Amendment 1. He said he
thinks the committee should stay focused not only on human
rights, but also on jobs and economic growth, and he does not
think Amendment 1 would be "conducive to that." Co-Chair Fields
maintained his objection.
3:58:22 PM
A roll call vote was taken. Representatives Vance and Shaw
voted in favor of Amendment 1. Representatives Story, Wool,
Fields, and Kreiss-Tomkins voted against it. Therefore,
Amendment 1 failed by a vote of 2-4.
3:59:51 PM
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS opened public testimony on HB 82.
4:01:31 PM
JESSICA VAUDREUIL testified in opposition to HB 82. She
expressed surprise that "this gender identity anti-
discrimination clause" is already in school district board
policy. She opined that HB 82 undermines First Amendment rights
and "harms innocent children by glorifying what is considered by
most as essential abomination." She described the proposed
legislation as "a wolf in sheep's clothing," but she thinks it
is "coercive indoctrination of every child in the country and in
the state." She said HB 82 asks citizens to approve of
transgenderism and homosexuality as moral and a diversity to be
celebrated, "while denying the obvious message of the God-given
human body." She posited that the goal of this indoctrination
is "to separate a child from bigoted parents, who subscribe to
the teaching of Jesus regarding a male/female foundation for
sexual ethics." She said this is only part of the reason she
opposes HB 82, and she would submit further reasons in writing.
4:03:45 PM
LILLIAN LENNON testified in support of HB 82. She related that
she is a transgender woman and has known this about herself
since she was little; it is what makes her what she is. She
stated that she has experienced discrimination, and the
ordinance passed by the Municipality of Anchorage that "protects
people on the basis of gender identity and sexual orientation"
makes her feel safe. She expressed concern knowing that such
protection is not statewide. She said she wants people to be
able to live authentically, no matter race, gender, sexual
orientation, or ethnicity. She reiterated her support for HB
82.
4:05:36 PM
ZHENIA PETERSON testified in support of HB 82. She said she
believes that Alaska's anti-discrimination laws should apply to
everyone, including LGBTQ people. She expressed that gay and
transgendered people can be denied work, public service, and
educational opportunities. She opined, "Every one of us
deserves to live without fear while contributing to our
society."
4:06:39 PM
DENISE SUDBECK, Ph.D., said she is a pastor of the Metropolitan
Community Church in Anchorage, and she indicated involvement
with Christians for Equality. She stated that as a member of
the LGBTQ community in Alaska, she has experienced
discrimination, especially when outside of protected areas, such
as Anchorage. She has been refused public accommodations and
the purchase of gasoline. She shared that she is a Vietnam
Veteran, who has contributed to the welfare of the nation. She
expressed hope that the committee would pass HB 82.
4:08:36 PM
LIN DAVIS stated that she has been working toward equality for
the LGBTQ community since 1975. She said for 20 years she has
been the leader of a cleanup crew comprising two LGBTQ groups in
Juneau that cleans a stretch of road near the university. The
sign on the side of the highway that depicts the names of the
groups has been smeared and knocked over; however, it has not
been damaged in the past six or seven years. She said she
thinks there is "a rising fairness and respect," and statewide
protections can encourage this for jobs, housing, and public
services. She stated, "There's no good reason not to do it;
it's all for the common good; it benefits communities when
there's fairness and respect." She said she watched this
legislation pass out of committee a year ago, and she encouraged
the committee "to have that same wisdom today."
4:10:46 PM
EMOGENE KIMBERLY LEA stated that the preamble of the
Constitution of the United States reads, "We the people." She
pointed out that there is no discrimination in those words; they
include all the people. She said that is what civil rights is
all about; it is the strength of the U.S. and of the military.
She reflected that all [legislators] present are sworn to uphold
the constitution, and they recite the Pledge of Allegiance;
therefore, there is an obligation to fulfill that oath. She
urged the committee to support HB 82 - providing equal rights to
all people.
4:12:35 PM
ALYSON CURREY, Legislative Liaison, Planned Parenthood Votes,
testified in support of HB 82. She stated that the proposed
legislation would ensure that LGBTQ Alaskans are afforded the
same rights and protections under law that other Alaskans
already have. Those rights provide the ability to live life
with safety, privacy, and dignity. She continued as follows:
As a healthcare provider and employer, Planned
Parenthood knows that this legislation is good for
public health and safety and good for business.
Because of discrimination and fear of discrimination,
many LGBTQ employees hide their identities at work,
are paid less, and have fewer employment opportunities
than their non-LGBTQ counterparts. This prejudice
puts LGBTQ people at increased risk for poor physical
and mental health. Gay and transgendered people are
friends, neighbors, family, and co-workers; they work
hard, serve in the military, and pay taxes. And like
everyone else, they just want to contribute to the
economic health of our state, earn a living, and
provide for their families. When they apply for a
job, search for housing, walk into a business that's
open to the public, or a restroom, they should be
treated like anybody else and not discriminated
against.
It became crystal clear to us during the recent non-
discrimination fight in Fairbanks, that our LGBTQ
friends and family badly need the protection of the
law. We sat through hours of hateful and hurtful
testimony of the few loud opponents trying to convince
the Fairbanks City Council that queer and transgender
individuals deserve to be discriminated against simply
because of their gender and who they love.
I fear that until we pass statewide non-discrimination
protection, every day Alaskans are going to continue
to live in fear of being harassed, harmed, fired,
[and] denied housing or public services just because
they're gay or transgendered. So, I ask you to please
support HB 82 and pass the bill from committee.
4:15:01 PM
BRITT TONNESSEN testified in support of HB 82. She related that
she is a professional in gender-based violence prevention and
intervention, an advocate for survivors of violence, and a
person who seeks to prevent violence. Further, she said she has
a background in "human security," which she explained is "a
freedom from want" and "fear." She indicated two documents that
show victims of violence how to regain power and control; one
was for people in heterosexual relationships, and the other was
for people in LGBTQ relationships. The latter deals with the
issue of "outing" people and "using each other's differences
against each other." She talked about a system where there is
homophobia, bi-phobia, and transphobia, and how
uncomfortableness can be in a moment or in the everyday life of
someone. She said, "Naming what we see, what we have, gives
these people power." She said people face threats daily. She
urged the committee to pass HB 82.
4:17:33 PM
BECKY ANDERSON testified in support of equality and HB 82. She
said she did not make the choice to be heterosexual, white, and
female, but because she is, she does not face discrimination in
the areas of housing, employment, and services provided. She
exclaimed, "Yay, me!" She pointed out that unfortunately that
is not the case for many Alaska citizens. She said LGBTQ
citizens did not have a choice in being who they are, yet
current laws punish them for existing. She said within the
LGBTQ community are friends, family, coworkers, students, and
people in various occupations. She emphasized, "They are us."
She talked about the efforts made over the last several years to
reach equality, and she said legislators can help make Alaska an
equal rights state. At that point, [the exclamation will be],
"Yay, us!" She said now is the time to stop treating LGBTQ
people as "less than" and stop procrastinating in giving
attention to this issue. Ms. Anderson explained that she is
fighting for this, because it is the right thing to do and the
time to do it is now.
4:19:51 PM
REBECCA DUNNE testified in support of HB 82. She echoed the
voices of those who have already stated that the proposed
legislation is important and the time for it is now. She said
the House State Affairs Standing Committee has heard a version
of this legislation several years in a row and has heard and
read about how equality is good for business, tourism, and
community health. She continued:
My sexual orientation is not a choice, and I am tired
of people telling me that it is. My husband's gender
identity is not up for debate, and I am tired of
people debating it. We do not have equality under
federal law, state law, or municipal law here in
Fairbanks, and I'm tired of people telling me that we
do or, at the same time, that equality under the law
is actually special rights. I don't need special
rights. I just want to know that I can't be fired for
being gay; that I can't be denied housing for being
gay; that I can't be denied medical care or
prescriptions for being gay; that I can't be kicked
out of a restaurant or a store for being gay; and that
my husband can use a public bathroom without getting
harassed. I just want to know that we can live like
straight and cisgender people without hiding who we
are. Please pass HB 82 out of committee.
4:21:34 PM
KRISTEN SCHUPP testified in support of HB 82, which is a human
rights bill addressing a group of people that regularly
encounter discrimination for being who they are daily. She
listed many of the roles and occupations filled by LGBTQ people,
and she opined that there are no good reasons not to grant equal
rights and protections to the LGBTQ community. She said 21
states already have. She said there will be plenty of
illogical, fearful, or hateful [testimonials], but they are not
good, compassionate, or logical. She said religious-based
reasons have no place in formulating policy in a country that is
supposed to have separation of church and state. She said
religion, itself, is a choice that is protected. She stated,
"This is not about special rights; it's about equal rights and
human rights." She posited that there is no neutrality on the
issue of human rights; "you're either part of the problem or
part of the solution." Ms. Schupp said there is "a lot of fear
around [transgender] people or people pretending to be
[transgender] in order to assault people in bathrooms," but she
said this is "statistically negligible," and it is actually
transgender people who are at risk of being assaulted. She
stated, "You're more likely, statistically, to be assaulted by
the current President of the United States, and much, much more
likely to be assaulted by a religious figure, such as a priest
or youth pastor or a cop." She urged the committee to pass HB
82.
4:23:34 PM
ALEXANDER THORNTON stated that he is a small business owner in
Fairbanks, and he is trying to purchase property. He explained
that the reason for his testimony is that in the five years that
he has been in Fairbanks, he has been denied housing, has been
prevented from accessing his work place, has been fired from
employment, has been prevented from accessing education, and has
been denied medical care, not just because he is queer, but also
because he is disabled. He said that is why he is asking the
committee to support HB 82. He said he loves the people in
Fairbanks. He stated that he wants to be free to run his
business without fear of "legalized harassment" and free of the
fear of being denied housing, education, and medical care. Mr.
Thornton said he has faced discrimination all his life, but not
as readily as he has faced it in Fairbanks. Notwithstanding
that, he said he loves the state and its people, and he believes
in "this community." He indicated that the passage of HB 82
would benefit all those who are marginalized. He asked the
committee to "do the right thing" by supporting HB 82.
4:25:58 PM
RINA KOWALSKI asked the committee to support the protections for
the LGBTQ community, as she and her daughter are LGBTQ. She
said she wants to ensure her daughter's future is protected.
She said she has been harshly judged her entire life for her
LGBTQ status. She said she has always encouraged her children
to see the good in all people and have free choice in whom they
love. She reiterated her concern for future generations and
thanked the committee for supporting equality and for "treating
us as the equals we are."
4:27:07 PM
ABIGAIL NORTH stated that she is a transgender woman, she has a
wife, and she is a teacher. She said she grew up in
Gainesville, Georgia, attending Pentecostal Holiness churches,
and knowing people would hate her for her gender identity and be
vile to her. She said she has "heard that a lot, particularly
with the equality stuff here in Fairbanks over the last few
months." She asked the committee to support HB 82. She related
that she has been told by more than one white stranger that they
were "uncomfortable being in a public restroom with African
Americans." Regarding the issue of being made uncomfortable by
someone and having the right to refuse service, she said, "This
has been argued for decades." In the deep south, Georgia fought
desegregation, and she still hears the same religious arguments
against desegregation.
4:29:36 PM
MELANIE LINDHOLM stated that she and her fiance identify as part
of the LGBTQ community and have both experienced discrimination
because of their identities - especially in the area of
employment. She related that in 2015, after 13 years under a
contracted position at a hospital, her fiance was fired for
coming out as transgender. That same year, she was denied
employment at the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF), because
it was known by some of the members of the hiring committee that
her fiance was transgender. She asked the committee to support
HB 82, because she believes that all people should have
employment protections. She said she believes in equality for
and the value of all citizens, regardless of their orientation,
identity, or expression. She concluded, "We are all human,
deserving of human rights and equal protection."
4:30:50 PM
ALYSSA QUINTYNE, Community Organizer, The Alaska Center,
testified in support of HB 82. She said via a nondiscrimination
ordinance, protections were in place for four days before being
vetoed. That was following months of testimony. She opined
that legislation, such as HB 82, is absolutely necessary. She
said people have shared through testimony that they have lost
homes, jobs, access to medical care, and that people have lost
their lives, because of legalized discrimination. She said The
Alaska Center understands that its residents and voters are much
more likely to participate in their community and government
when their rights are protected; they are welcome both in public
and private sectors; and they are given unrestricted access "to
any of those participatory avenues." She said discrimination on
any matter limits access to necessary resources and services.
She opined that holding leaders accountable is "key to holding a
healthy democracy and a healthy community." She said the
support of HB 82 will ensure all Alaskans are free to
participate in their government and communities, and she
encouraged the committee to support the bill.
4:33:10 PM
ERIN WORLEY testified in support of HB 82. She said she is a
nursing student about to graduate, and she would talk about the
statewide health implications of the proposed legislation. She
stated that when legislation is passed that supports the ability
of LGBTQ community members to thrive regardless of sexual
orientation, gender identity, or gender expression, "we start to
remove an external stigma." A message is sent that
discrimination is not acceptable in Alaska. She said there is
established research correlating stigma and discrimination with
higher rates of depression, suicide, mental health disorders,
and maladapted coping, such as substance abuse and smoking. She
said states with protective legislation in place have improved
the health outcomes of LGBTQ people though lower rates of
depression, suicide, mental health disorders, and substance
abuse. She said the American Nurses Association issued a
statement on this topic describing a commitment to the
elimination of health disparities and discrimination based on
sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression
within healthcare. She added that as a nurse, she will "commit
to that." She asked the committee to commit to making a
statement against discrimination and making Alaska healthier by
supporting HB 82.
4:35:09 PM
HAYDEN NEVILL, Gender Pioneers, testified in support of HB 82.
He stated that he is a transgender man; it means he was born
female and is now legally and socially male. He mentioned that
he is a veterinarian, a taxpayer, a husband, and a voter. He
has heard many stories from LGBTQ people since founding Gender
Pioneers: denied housing; denied employment; denied retail
service; denied prescriptions by a pharmacist. He said, "This
is not how Alaskans treat each other." He mentioned the
overwhelming support for the Fairbanks non-discrimination
ordinance. He referred to the question of transgender ("trans")
women in shelters and locker rooms and said, "It's important to
be clear that trans people have been in shelters and locker
rooms for a very long time." He stated that public testimony
from the three shelters in Fairbanks indicated that any non-
discrimination ordinance would not affect them; they are happy
to serve transgender people. He referred to the question
regarding Airbnb and relayed that Airbnb already has a non-
discrimination clause that includes queer people. He emphasized
that the passage of HB 82 would send a message that all are
welcomed, loved, and important.
4:37:17 PM
CRIS EICHENLAUB testified in opposition to HB 82. He expressed
his opinion that the acronym - LGBTQ - is not well defined;
therefore, the group that would be protected under HB 82 is not
well defined. He opined that the proposed legislation reflects
a national agenda; it would put employers and women shelters at
risk of lawsuits.
4:39:55 PM
HERMAN MORGAN testified that he is appalled by people who
support the proposed legislation; the public comment reflects a
well-organized effort. He said that he is appalled by the
drafter of the bill "to try to say it's a civil rights issue."
He stated, "I am a Native. I was born a Native. I didn't choose
to become what the bible calls an abomination." He read a
prayer and expressed his concerns with the proposed legislation.
He concluded, "Please don't support this bill."
4:42:28 PM
BERT HOUGHTALING testified in opposition to HB 82. He
maintained that Alaska's equal rights amendment already protects
people from discrimination, and if anyone cannot identify under
that amendment, then it is a failure on the part of the person
or a failure of the legal system. He offered that the provision
under HB 82 is so important that it should go to a vote of the
people. He expressed his concern that using the wrong pronoun
to refer to someone could result in a discrimination charge.
4:44:06 PM
MAUREEN LONGWORTH, MD, testified that she grew up in a
religious, Christian home where she learned from her parents and
her church "to treat others as we wish to be treated." She
stated that equality is written into the U.S. Constitution; HB
82 should be passed because it upholds the U.S. Constitution.
She relayed that she has practiced in communities across
Southeast Alaska; and small communities lack the anonymity and
support organizations that the larger cities can offer to a
person who is struggling. She said, "Universally young people
have at times reported they would rather be dead than be gay or
trans, and they do not see hope of survival in their
communities." She mentioned that trans people experience the
highest rates of suicide and victimization. She emphasized that
most often the people who rape women are straight men; a white
Catholic priest raped her. She expressed her concern for the
health of Alaskans and the economy. She said that medical
research shows that the healthiest communities are communities
where equality resides; disparities in rights for segments of
the population wear down members on both sides of the divide.
She advocated for retaining young people in the state and
assuring them equal treatment. She urged passage of HB 82.
4:47:08 PM
GREG WEAVER testified that the state has more important issues
than guaranteeing equal rights for sexual preference. He
expressed that sexual preference is a personal endeavor and
should be kept personal.
4:49:39 PM
CHRISTINE HUTCHINSON testified that she believes that government
should be limited and "every little nook and cranny cannot be
legislated by the government." She maintained that the
government has demonstrated its ineptness in monitoring people.
She expressed her belief that government should not be intruding
into the personal lives of people. She asserted that sexual
orientation and the desire to be transgender are personal
issues. She stated that she opposes the passage of HB 82,
because it is unnecessary.
4:51:57 PM
LOIS HENDERSON testified that she supports HB 82, equal rights
for all, and all people being treated the same. She continued,
"As a country we do not discriminate against people based on
inborn differences. We need to be sure to include the LGBTQ
community in these guarantees." She shared that as the mother
of a transgender woman who grew up in Fairbanks, the sister of a
gay woman, and the aunt of a transgender boy, she is exquisitely
aware of the importance of equal rights to the individual
people. She offered that the proposed legislation hurts no one,
and in the year 2019, should not even be a question.
4:53:11 PM
ROSE O'HARA-JOLLY testified that recently the Fairbanks City
Council passed its first non-discrimination ordinance; it had
overwhelming support; public comment against the ordinance from
a vocal few demonstrated the importance of having such an
ordinance. She stated that publicly sharing aspects of her life
which she wished to remain private took a heavy toll on her.
She relayed that straight and cisgender ("cis") people are not
required to come to public meetings and beg to be treated with
dignity and respect - beg to be allowed to keep their jobs or
rent their homes free from fear. She offered that as a queer
person, she has been called many names, including a pedophile.
She relayed the actions of one city council member who
disrespected her, other testifiers, and various people in the
community to generate hate. She said that ultimately the mayor
of Fairbanks vetoed the ordinance. She asked that the committee
lead by example, make a stand against hate, vote for dignity and
safety, and pass HB 82,
4:55:47 PM
ADAM HYKES testified that as a Christian, he is sorry for the
testifiers who have been treated poorly; that should not occur
to anyone regardless of age, skin color, religion, sexual
orientation. He stated that from a scientific perspective, a
person's gender is fixed at birth. He opined that it is unwise
to legislate that which has not been thoroughly researched. He
asked, "How exactly do you plan to uphold this when it's
challenged or scrutinized in court?" He opined that everyone
deserves to be treated with respect, but it is not the job of
government to oversee this on every level. He said he supports
limited government.
4:58:03 PM
KRISTA CHRISTENSEN testified that she is in support of HB 82
because of discrimination and the fear of discrimination among
LGBTQ people in Alaska. They must hide their identities; they
are paid less; and they have fewer employment opportunities than
their non-LGBTQ counterparts. They deserve the same protection
as all other citizens. She stated that every citizen should
have equal protection under the law regardless of personal
character traits. She urged passage of HB 82. She expressed
her regret for the treatment that the LGBTQ testifiers have
experienced.
4:59:53 PM
TAMARA KRUSE-ROSELIUS testified in support of HB 82. She
expressed appreciation that Alaska has a strong constitution
regarding civil rights and guaranteed privacy rights. She urged
that equal rights be protected under state law. She added that
because Alaska law has not defined "sex" in sex discrimination,
there is nothing to prevent it statewide. Because the law is
not clear, it is not clear how courts will interpret sex
discrimination. "The last thing we need in Alaska is every
jurisdiction doing their own thing, especially as far as equal
rights are concerned." She cited survey results of transgender
Alaskan residents, in which almost one-third experienced housing
discrimination within the year. She emphasized that
historically Alaska was a leader in civil rights and urged that
Alaska not "fall behind [the curve]." She added: as an Airbnb
landlord, she is already unable to discriminate; she is a
Christian who believes in the separation of church and state;
and "there is nothing more important than equal rights. If you
don't think so, it's because you already have yours."
5:01:52 PM
CO-CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS closed public testimony on HB 82.
5:02:17 PM
REPRESENTATIVE STORY moved to report HB 82 out of committee with
individual recommendations and attached zero fiscal note.
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE objected.
A roll call vote was taken. Representatives Story, Wool,
Fields, and Kreiss-Tomkins voted in favor of reporting HB 82 out
of committee. Representatives Vance and Shaw voted against it.
Therefore, HB 82 was reported from the House State Affairs
Standing Committee by a vote of 4-2.
5:03:56 PM
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the committee, the House
State Affairs Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 5:04
p.m.