03/28/2013 08:00 AM House STATE AFFAIRS
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
             HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                         March 28, 2013                                                                                         
                           8:08 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bob Lynn, Chair                                                                                                  
Representative Wes Keller, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Representative Lynn Gattis                                                                                                      
Representative Shelley Hughes                                                                                                   
Representative Doug Isaacson                                                                                                    
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 10                                                                                           
Relating  to the  presence and  interests  of the  state and  the                                                               
nation in the  Arctic; urging appointment of  a representative of                                                               
the state  to the  Arctic Council;  relating to  icebreakers; and                                                               
relating to  United States Coast Guard  operations and facilities                                                               
in the Arctic.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS CSSJR 10(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 3                                                                                               
Establishing the Joint Committee on Federal Overreach.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHCR 3(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 59                                                                                                               
"An Act relating to missing vulnerable adult prompt response and                                                                
notification plans."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 59(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SJR 10                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: ARCTIC: POLICY, USCG, ARCTIC COUNCIL                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) GIESSEL                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
02/27/13       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/27/13       (S)       RES                                                                                                    
03/04/13       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/04/13       (S)       Moved CSSJR 10(RES) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/04/13       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
03/06/13       (S)       RES RPT CS  6DP 1NR   SAME TITLE                                                                       
03/06/13       (S)       DP: GIESSEL, MICCICHE, BISHOP, MCGUIRE,                                                                
                         FAIRCLOUGH, DYSON                                                                                      
03/06/13       (S)       NR: FRENCH                                                                                             
03/18/13       (S)       TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                                     
03/18/13       (S)       VERSION: CSSJR 10(RES) AM                                                                              
03/20/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/20/13       (H)       STA                                                                                                    
03/28/13       (H)       STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HCR 3                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: JOINT COMMITTEE ON FEDERAL OVERREACH                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) MILLETT                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
02/06/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/06/13       (H)       STA, FIN                                                                                               
03/05/13       (H)       STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
03/05/13       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/05/13       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/28/13       (H)       STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 59                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: MISSING VULNERABLE ADULT RESPONSE PLAN                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) GRUENBERG                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
01/16/13       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/11/13                                                                               
01/16/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/16/13       (H)       MLV, STA                                                                                               
02/28/13       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120                                                                             
02/28/13       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/28/13       (H)       MINUTE(MLV)                                                                                            
03/12/13       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120                                                                             
03/12/13       (H)       Moved CSHB  59(MLV) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/12/13       (H)       MINUTE(MLV)                                                                                            
03/13/13       (H)       MLV RPT CS(MLV) 4DP 3NR                                                                                
03/13/13       (H)       DP: GRUENBERG, SADDLER, FOSTER, LEDOUX                                                                 
03/13/13       (H)       NR: HIGGINS, HUGHES, REINBOLD                                                                          
03/21/13       (H)       STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
03/21/13       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/21/13       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/28/13       (H)       STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOE BYRNES, Intern                                                                                                              
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented SJR 10 on behalf of Senator                                                                    
Giessel, sponsor.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CATHY GIESSEL                                                                                                           
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as sponsor of SJR 10.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
VASILIOS GIALOPSOS, Staff                                                                                                       
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Reviewed the changes made in Version N of                                                                
HCR 3 on behalf of Representative Millett, sponsor.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MAX GRUENBERG                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 59 as sponsor.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RODNEY DIAL, Lt.;                                                                                                               
Deputy Commander, A Detachment                                                                                                  
Alaska State Troopers                                                                                                           
Division of Statewide Services                                                                                                  
Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                                               
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified and answered questions during the                                                              
discussion of HB 59.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MIKE O'HARE, Deputy Director                                                                                                    
Division of Homeland Security/ Emergency Management                                                                             
Department of Military and Veterans' Affairs                                                                                    
Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson (JBER), Alaska                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the discussion of                                                              
HB 59.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:08:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BOB LYNN called the  House State Affairs Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at 8:08  a.m.  Representatives  Gattis, Hughes,                                                               
Isaacson, Keller, Kreiss-Tomkins, Millett,  and Lynn were present                                                               
at the call to order.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          SJR 10-ARCTIC: POLICY, USCG, ARCTIC COUNCIL                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:09:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN announced that the first  order of business was the CS                                                               
FOR  SENATE JOINT  RESOLUTION  NO. 10(RES)  am,  Relating to  the                                                               
presence  and  interests of  the  state  and  the nation  in  the                                                               
Arctic; urging  appointment of a  representative of the  state to                                                               
the  Arctic Council;  relating to  icebreakers;  and relating  to                                                               
United  States  Coast  Guard operations  and  facilities  in  the                                                               
Arctic.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:10:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT   moved  to  adopt  the   proposed  House                                                               
committee  substitute (HCS)  for CSSJR  10, Version  28-LS0542/C,                                                               
Nauman, 3/22/13, as a work draft.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:11:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE  BYRNES,   Intern,  Senator   Cathy  Giessel,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  presented  SJR 10  on  behalf  of Senator  Giessel,                                                               
sponsor.  He  stated that SJR 10 would urge  Congress and advises                                                               
the  U.S. to  increase  its  interest in  the  Arctic Council  by                                                               
expanding the U.S.  Coast Guard icebreaker fleet  to maintain its                                                               
growing  Arctic responsibilities.    The  joint resolution  would                                                               
advise   the   U.S.   to   assert   its   political,   strategic,                                                               
environmental, and  economic interests in the  Arctic by pursuing                                                               
America's  vast diplomatic,  military,  and economic  means.   He                                                               
said that  interest in the  Arctic has been renewed  globally due                                                               
to the  diminishing levels of  Polar Sea ice, which  presents new                                                               
opportunities to the  world.  Geologists believe  that the Arctic                                                               
holds  the potential  for large  quantities of  natural resources                                                               
that  could   promote  domestic  energy  security   and  Alaska's                                                               
economy.   The decline  in amount  of Polar  Sea ice  can enhance                                                               
commercial interests with an  opportunity to reduce international                                                               
shipping times compared to conventional  routes by navigating the                                                               
Arctic Ocean.  Though the rest  of the world appears to recognize                                                               
the  potential   of  the  Arctic,   there  has   been  relatively                                                               
inadequate resolve  exhibited at  the federal level  in advancing                                                               
Arctic interests.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:12:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BYRNES  referred  to  a  handout  in  the  committee  packet                                                               
entitled, "Major  Icebreakers of the World,"  which was published                                                               
by the  U.S. Coast Guard  and reveals the number  of icebreakers,                                                               
which  indicates how  other  countries  have demonstrated  Arctic                                                               
interests.  Icebreakers are essential  to carrying out operations                                                               
in  the Arctic  and projecting  a nation's  presence in  northern                                                               
waters.    He  pointed  out that  Russia  has  17  state-operated                                                               
icebreakers, Canada  has 6, and the  U.S. has 3, of  which only 1                                                               
is currently  in service.   He  said that  U.S. interests  are at                                                               
stake  in  the  Arctic,  particularly of  interest  to  Alaskans.                                                               
International Arctic  policy affects Alaska uniquely  compared to                                                               
other states.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BYRNES  said SJR 10  highlights Alaska's engagement  with the                                                               
Arctic  Council,  which  since  1996 has  emerged  as  a  leading                                                               
channel for the discussion of  international Arctic affairs among                                                               
the  Arctic states.    The relayed  [the  sponsor's] belief  that                                                               
Alaska's  Arctic  interests  are fundamentally  America's  Arctic                                                               
interests, and whatever avenue that  is available to convey those                                                               
interests should be pursued.  The  U.S. should seek to unlock the                                                               
Arctic's potential by  having the U.S. take a  leadership role in                                                               
guiding  international Arctic  policy.   He stated  that adopting                                                               
the provisions of SJR 10 would  be a good first step in advancing                                                               
that goal.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:14:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN asked whether this  resolution has anything to do with                                                               
the Law of the Sea Treaty.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRYNES answered that SJR  10 does not specifically promote or                                                               
oppose the Law of the Sea Treaty.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:14:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT asked  why  Argentina,  Chile, and  South                                                               
Africa have ice breakers.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRYNES answered that those  countries are near the Antarctic.                                                               
In   response  to   Representative  Isaacson,   he  offered   his                                                               
understanding  that  the  key  on  the  handout  indicates  where                                                               
icebreakers have operated.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN remarked  that  it is  amazing  how many  icebreakers                                                               
Russia has.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:16:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   HUGHES  noted   that  Russia   started  building                                                               
icebreakers  in the  '60s and  the U.S.  got a  late start.   She                                                               
wondered  if   Alaska  encouraged   the  U.S.  with   respect  to                                                               
icebreakers.    She  expressed curiosity  about  the  history  of                                                               
icebreakers.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:16:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BRYNES offered  his understanding  that Alaska's  delegation                                                               
has been  fighting for more icebreakers  for a long time,  but it                                                               
has  only been  recently, due  to global  warming and  Arctic ice                                                               
melting, that the interest has shifted to the Arctic.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:17:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CATHY GIESSEL, Alaska  State Legislature, Juneau, Alaska,                                                               
as sponsor of SJR 10, interjected  that Alaska was a new state in                                                               
the '60s,  and the country  is just now  realizing that it  is an                                                               
Arctic  nation.   She  said,  "We  are  attempting to  raise  the                                                               
urgency of  the need for icebreakers."   She said as  a result of                                                               
diminishing  Arctic ice,  shipping  lanes have  opened  up.   She                                                               
commented that  the Bering  Strait has  become a  popular conduit                                                               
for significant  shipping between  Asia, the Arctic,  and Russia;                                                               
therefore,  the U.S.  needs additional  icebreakers for  national                                                               
security.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:18:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES  asked  for  the cost  of  an  icebreaker,                                                               
whether any private companies build  them, and if the state could                                                               
consider building one.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRYNES  answered that that the  cost issue was raised  in the                                                               
Senate Resources  Committee meeting  on 3/4/13.   According  to a                                                               
High Latitude  Study provided to  the Congress in July  2011, and                                                               
reported  in a  Congressional Research  Service report,  the cost                                                               
for  one ship  would  be about  $856 million.    The report  also                                                               
estimated that  building six ships  would cost $4.7 billion.   He                                                               
noted that  major ice breakers,  the Nathaniel B. Palmer  and the                                                               
Aiviq, are privately owned.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL added  that the  Aiviq is  owned by  Royal Dutch                                                               
Shell  plc, was  at one  time harbored  in Seward,  but is  being                                                               
transported to Asia  for additional retrofitting.   She said that                                                               
the Sikuliaq  is an Arctic-equipped  research vessel  operated by                                                               
the University of Alaska Fairbanks.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:20:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRYNES, in response to  the chair, said the icebreakers owned                                                               
by the U.S.  are operated by the U.S. Coast  Guard, which reports                                                               
to  the U.S.  Department of  Homeland Security.   In  response to                                                               
Representative Keller,  said he does  not know all  the locations                                                               
in which  the Arctic  Council has  met, but knows  it meets  on a                                                               
rotation schedule,  which began  in 1996,  with Canada  as chair,                                                               
then rotated to the U.S. in 1998.   He referred to page 3, [lines                                                               
18-20], which  notes that "following  the chairmanship  of Canada                                                               
beginning   in  May   2013,  the   United   States  will   assume                                                               
chairmanship of the Arctic council in May 2015".                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  expressed  curiosity as  to  when  Alaska                                                               
would be chairing the Arctic Council.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:22:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON  questioned  the  effectiveness  of  the                                                               
resolution.   He referred to  language on page 2,  [lines 11-14],                                                               
which states that  the U.S. Coast Guard "does not  have a base on                                                               
or adjacent to the Arctic  Ocean, inhibiting the nation's ability                                                               
to respond to situations", and  then highlighted language on page                                                               
4, [lines 14-15],  which "urges the United States  to continue to                                                               
assert  its  political,  strategic, environmental,  and  economic                                                               
interests in the Arctic".  He  asked for the likelihood of a base                                                               
ever  existing in  Alaska.   He recalled  that former  U.S. Coast                                                               
Guard members  have indicated that  the Midwest U.S. has  not yet                                                               
recognized the  U.S. as an  Arctic nation; therefore,  because of                                                               
the prohibitive  costs of an  icebreaker, it  may be a  long time                                                               
before one is built.  He  further asked for the likelihood of SRJ                                                               
10 gaining traction in Congress.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRYNES expressed  the sponsor's hope that  the proposed joint                                                               
resolution  would have  a receptive  audience in  Congress.   The                                                               
Alaska  Congressional Delegation  has always  been supportive  of                                                               
increasing  the number  of icebreakers  in the  U.S. Coast  Guard                                                               
fleet, as  well as supporting  the construction of  Arctic posts.                                                               
In 2012,  Senator Begich  co-sponsored an  amendment to  the U.S.                                                               
Coast Guard Reauthorization Act, which  would prolong the life of                                                               
one of  the four aging icebreakers.   He offered his  belief that                                                               
measures such as  this one emphasize to the Lower  48 the reasons                                                               
icebreakers are important to the U.S.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:25:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL  encouraged members  to become active  members in                                                               
the  Pacific  NorthWest  Economic  Region (PNWER),  which  has  a                                                               
subcommittee  called Arctic  Caucus,  which has  been focused  on                                                               
these issues.   She reported that PNWER comprises  Alaska and the                                                               
Northwest and  Yukon Territories of  Canada.  She  explained that                                                               
the caucus  provided the  momentum for  the Northern  Waters Task                                                               
Force  and ultimately  the Arctic  Policy Commission  that Alaska                                                               
has  formed.   She agreed  that  the U.S.  has federal  financial                                                               
issues; however,  if the concern  is never raised, it  will never                                                               
happen.   She stated that  with the Arctic Council's  presence in                                                               
the U.S.,  the state is  partnering with Canada to  emphasize the                                                               
North  American Arctic  to potentially  effectively leverage  the                                                               
Arctic presence.   She characterized  the involvement as  being a                                                               
"challenging  uphill  battle,"  which  [Alaska  and  Canada]  are                                                               
fighting together.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  noted the resolution calls  for a member                                                               
of the State of Alaska to serve  on the Arctic Council.  He asked                                                               
whether SJR 10 is being "done  in cooperation" or is "knocking on                                                               
the door" to raise awareness.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL answered  it is the latter.  She  reported that a                                                               
northern  Canadian  First  Nations   woman  from  Nunavut  chairs                                                               
Canada's position on  the Arctic Council, and  she indicated that                                                               
the proposed  resolution asks  that an  Alaskan be  considered to                                                               
chair  [the  United  States'  position  on  the  council].    She                                                               
indicated  that Lt.  Governor Mead  Treadwell  is the  governor's                                                               
designee  as official  delegate from  Alaska to  speak on  Arctic                                                               
issues before the federal government.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:28:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES   recalled  reading  that   during  recent                                                               
chairmanship  of  the  Arctic Council  by  Norway,  Finland,  and                                                               
Sweden, focus has been on  environmental protection, and now that                                                               
Canada will be chairing, followed  by the U.S., the emphasis will                                                               
be on  North American issues.   She  said she was  delighted that                                                               
part of the emphasis will  be on resource development and perhaps                                                               
shipping.   She expressed an  interest in how the  emphasis would                                                               
change.   She further  asked whether  Western States  support the                                                               
Arctic, in  particular, for additional  icebreakers - due  to the                                                               
impact it will have on the Arctic shipping route.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL explained  that the  Arctic Council  has a  very                                                               
broad  emphasis  which   includes  environmental,  shipping,  and                                                               
resource development.  She related  that the Alaska Arctic Policy                                                               
Commission (AAPC)  is actually divided  into [policy  teams], and                                                               
she  heads  the  team  focused   on  [oil  and  gas  development,                                                               
resources,  and mining].   Consequently,  she has  been reviewing                                                               
other Arctic  nations in the council,  and she has found  each of                                                               
them  to have  a balanced  perspective  for each  of the  issues,                                                               
including  transportation,  development,  and environment.    She                                                               
turned to the  Western states and pointed out that  she is also a                                                               
member  of the  Energy Producing  States Coalition  (EPSC), whose                                                               
members  are predominately  Western states  that produce  energy.                                                               
She said she  has been trying to emphasize  the Arctic importance                                                               
to the  coalition.  She  encouraged members to make  their voices                                                               
known  to other  states as  they participate  in meetings  in the                                                               
Lower 48 and other countries.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:31:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT removed  her objection  to the  motion to                                                               
adopt  the proposed  House committee  substitute (HCS)  for CSSJR
10,  Version  28-LS0542/C,  Nauman,  3/22/13.    There  being  no                                                               
further objection, Version  C was before the committee  as a work                                                               
draft.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:31:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT moved to report  HCS CSSJR 10, Version 28-                                                               
LS0542/C,  Nauman,  3/22/13,  out of  committee  with  individual                                                               
recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:32:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Gattis,  Hughes,                                                               
Isaacson,  Keller, Kreiss-Tomkins,  Millett,  and  Lynn voted  in                                                               
favor  of  reported  Version  C  for SJR  10  out  of  committee.                                                               
Therefore, HCS CSSJR 10(STA) was  reported out of the House State                                                               
Affairs Standing Committee by a vote of 7-0.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:32:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:32 a.m. to 8:36 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
           HCR 3-JOINT COMMITTEE ON FEDERAL OVERREACH                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:36:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  announced that  the next order  of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION  NO.   3,  Establishing  the  Joint                                                               
Committee on Federal Overreach.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:36 a.m. to 8:38 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:38:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  moved  to adopt  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute (CS) for HCR 3,  Version 28-LS0440\N, Gardner, 3/27/13                                                               
as a work draft.  There  being no objection, Version N was before                                                               
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:38:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT, as sponsor,  introduced HCR 3, Version N.                                                               
She  explained that  she amended  the  original resolution  after                                                               
discussions with the  administration, organizations, and members.                                                               
She characterized  it as a  clearinghouse so the  legislature can                                                               
decide  which  issues  to  focus  on and  can  communicate  in  a                                                               
streamlined fashion  with all legislators when  federal action is                                                               
being  taken on  Alaska's land.    She said  the legislature  can                                                               
decide whether  to encourage the  attorney general to  take legal                                                               
action or  start a  letter writing  campaign, which  sometimes is                                                               
effective.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:40:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VASILIOS  GIALOPSOS,  Staff,   Representative  Charisse  Millett,                                                               
Alaska  State   Legislature,  presented   HCR  3  on   behalf  of                                                               
Representative  Millett,  sponsor.   He  referred  to a  list  of                                                               
changes to HCR 3 incorporated into  Version N, as per the handout                                                               
in members' packets, which were:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     A new "WHEREAS" clause at:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     a.  Page 1, line 8;                                                                                                        
     b.  Page 2, line 13;                                                                                                       
     c.  Page 2, line 19;                                                                                                       
     d.  Page 2, line 25;                                                                                                       
     e.  Page 2, line 28;                                                                                                       
     f.  Page 2, line 31;                                                                                                       
     g.  Page 3, line 3;                                                                                                        
     h.  Page 3, line 5;                                                                                                        
     i.  Page 3, line 12;                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GIALOPSOS  said the language  aligns with  presentations made                                                               
by  the Department  of  Natural Resources  (DNR)  earlier in  the                                                               
legislative session  with respect to federal  overreach, relating                                                               
not  only to  R.S. 2477s,  but  also to  the state  compact.   He                                                               
explained   that  these   changes   give   the  resolution   more                                                               
substantive language that pertains  to access, rights-of-way, and                                                               
easements that affect residents of  this state at the local level                                                               
and  at the  statewide level.   He  referred to  concerns members                                                               
raised earlier with respect to  the deluge of information and how                                                               
to vet  exigent concerns and  legitimate concerns.   The sponsor,                                                               
in  conjunction  with  the governor's  office,  decided  what  is                                                               
pressing about R.S.  2477, with respect to  federal overreach, is                                                               
that the sources  of knowledge are dying out.   He explained that                                                               
in  order to  validate the  claims, individuals  must be  able to                                                               
verify they  used specific trails  for subsistence  or commercial                                                               
use predating  statehood.  However,  the state does not  have the                                                               
biological advantage at  this point so it  must use technological                                                               
advantages.     Therefore  to   be  able   to  form   a  cohesive                                                               
clearinghouse  at  a  time  when   state  resources  need  to  be                                                               
consolidated  is important  from an  internal component.   Still,                                                               
the second part  of the "whereas" clause, is that  it is a stated                                                               
policy under the  current administration that the  Bureau of Land                                                               
Management (BLM)  will contest "every"  R.S. 2477  application as                                                               
an  institutional  policy.   He  clarified  that  this is  not  a                                                               
judgment call  on whether it is  a valid position on  the part of                                                               
the administration, but  is simply a statement of fact.   He said                                                               
whereas  previous administrations  had  more  of a  collaborative                                                               
working environment  between states  with R.S.  2477 applications                                                               
and  the  BLM, "this  particular"  [administration]  is taking  a                                                               
harder stance.   Thus, he  emphasized the importance of  the need                                                               
to "incorporate this into a body" that can take action now.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:44:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GIALOPSOS referred additional  changes were to the "RESOLVED"                                                               
clause.  New clauses were added, as follows:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     a.  Page 3, line 26;                                                                                                       
     b.  Page 3, line 31;                                                                                                       
     c.  Page 4, line 4;                                                                                                        
     d.  Page 4, line 11;                                                                                                       
     e.  Page 4, line 14;                                                                                                       
     f.  Page 4, line 19;                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GIALOPSOS  said two factors  were used.  First,  language was                                                               
utilized from  HB 83, which  recognizes that the  legislative and                                                               
administrative branches of state government  need to have ways to                                                               
share  information  in  a  direct way  that  doesn't  impede  the                                                               
process.  He  emphasized the importance to hear  from all parties                                                               
and receive  all perspectives to  help ensure that there  are not                                                               
any unintended consequences.   This language was  meant to ensure                                                               
that a  committee was  not overreaching, but  at same  time using                                                               
all  the resources  at its  disposal  and institutional  capacity                                                               
available to  do so.   Finally, the  language addresses  the need                                                               
for  a forum  that the  public can  participate in,  which was  a                                                               
concern  raised  by  Representative Kreiss-Tomkins  at  the  last                                                               
hearing on the resource.  He  characterized this as being a means                                                               
by which  residents of,  for example,  Hoonah, Tok,  or Kotzebue,                                                               
can directly impact the process  of how an R.S. 2477 right-of-way                                                               
village access is determined.   This could provide a good balance                                                               
between  the various  stakeholders  since they  want their  local                                                               
input valued  while maintaining the balance  between the national                                                               
and state level.  Mr.  Gialopsos relayed that after collaborating                                                               
with  the  governor's  office  and  the  committee,  the  sponsor                                                               
believes the changes have substantially improved HCR 3.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT said  she has  no ownership  on this  but                                                               
would like it to be the best it can be.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:48:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER   said  he  is  very   excited  about  the                                                               
resolution.   He  stated the  reason he  would like  to offer  an                                                               
amendment  is  to  acknowledged  the number  of  people  who  are                                                               
working  on this  issue  in the  administration  and the  private                                                               
sector,  for   example,  the  Alaska  Outdoor   Council,  who  is                                                               
concerned  about   subsistence  issues;  or  the   Alaska  Health                                                               
Commission,  which  has  been  working  on  the  effects  of  the                                                               
Affordable Care  Act (ACA).   He turned  to the "be  it resolved"                                                               
section, which asks the governor  to put together a working group                                                               
to act as a clearinghouse.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT said she supports Conceptual Amendment 1.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:50:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN,  after  first  determining no  one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HCR 3.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:51:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER moved  to  adopt  Conceptual Amendment  1,                                                               
labeled 28-LS0440\U.N,  Keller, 03/18/2013, which  read [original                                                               
punctuation provided, with handwritten changes]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Whereas,  the   legislature  recognizes   the  numerous                                                                    
     private  sector  Alaskans  who   are  being  forced  to                                                                    
     respond  to   federal  overreach  in  the   context  of                                                                    
     business, industry, subsistence, and recreation; and                                                                       
     Whereas, the legislature  recognizes the various public                                                                    
     sector  entities  engaged   in  responding  to  federal                                                                    
     overreach, including  but not limited to;  CACFA, PAAD,                                                                    
     and  the   ANILCA  team  in  DNR,   litigators  in  the                                                                    
     Department  of Law,  the  Alaska  Health Commission  in                                                                    
     HSS, and                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, Line 10 insert                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     (1) request  the Governor to use  existing resources to                                                                    
     form a  working group to formulate  recommendations for                                                                    
     the makeup, role, name,  and organizational location of                                                                    
     a  permanent State  sovereignty preservation  authority                                                                    
     to  increase the  effectiveness of  the numerous  semi-                                                                    
     independent   efforts,    to   coordinate    with   the                                                                    
     legislature,  to   enhance  information   exchange  and                                                                    
     collaborative  responses to  federal  overreach.   This                                                                    
     working group should consist of  leaders in the before-                                                                    
     mentioned private  and public sectors  already engaged,                                                                    
     two legislators  appointed by the speaker  of the House                                                                    
     and the  President of the  Senate.  This  working group                                                                    
     should  be tasked  with providing  recommendations that                                                                    
     can  be implemented  in the  next gubernatorial  budget                                                                    
     proposal  for  consideration  in the  2014  legislative                                                                    
     session.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  explained that  the handwritten  change to                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 1  was in the label:  "U.A"  was crossed out                                                               
and  replaced with  "U.N" to  align the  proposed amendment  with                                                               
Version N.   He further  noted that  he had used  acronyms within                                                               
Conceptual  Amendment 1,  and said  he  expected the  Legislative                                                               
Legal and Research Services drafters to clean up the language.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  objected for the purpose  of discussion.                                                               
He  noted that  Conceptual Amendment  1 proposes  language to  be                                                               
inserted at page 3, line 10, of  a previous version of HCR 3, and                                                               
he asked where the language would be inserted in HCR 3.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  answered that he  was unsure of  where the                                                               
bill drafter would insert the language.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON asked  whether the intent is  to have the                                                               
governor form a  working group to take the place  of the proposed                                                               
legislative Joint Committee on Access and Federal Overreach.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  answered no.   He said HCR 3  proposes the                                                               
formation  of a  standing committee  and also  requests that  the                                                               
governor  respond  with  an  administrative  clearinghouse.    He                                                               
clarified that the two entities would not be in competition.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON   surmised  that  the   two  legislators                                                               
appointed  to   the  working  group  proposed   under  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1  would likely serve  on the proposed  Joint Committee                                                               
on Access and Federal Overreach.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER replied that is not a preconceived plan.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  asked how  the governor's  working group                                                               
and the  joint committee would  effectively communicate  if there                                                               
were no shared members.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER explained  that he  didn't spell  that out                                                               
because  he presumed  the normal  action between  the legislature                                                               
and  the executive  branch, wherein  the  legislature would  make                                                               
rules  and  the  administration   would  create  an  office  with                                                               
regulations [related to those rules].                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON encouraged  an  amendment to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1  to insist  that the  working group  legislators also                                                               
serve  on the  proposed  Joint Committee  on  Access and  Federal                                                               
Overreach.   He  expressed concern  that the  legislature has  no                                                               
ability to  predict the  future.   He cautioned  against assuming                                                               
effective communication  would occur, because the  past has shown                                                               
that  without  direct  communication,   the  legislature  or  the                                                               
administration  can  sometimes  "pencil whip  procedures  without                                                               
true evaluation."   He said he hopes the members  on the proposed                                                               
Joint   Committee  on   Access   and   Federal  Overreach   would                                                               
passionately  serve   as  watchdogs,   whereas  someone   on  the                                                               
executive side may act without  any passion, depending on who may                                                               
be serving as the governor at the time.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:56:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  remarked  that  he does  not  resist  the                                                               
proposed amendment  to Conceptual Amendment  1.  He said  that as                                                               
chair of the Citizens Advisory  Council of Federal Areas (CACFA),                                                               
he  has worked  closely with  the administration  and know  "they                                                               
have passion."   He said that his intent by  including members of                                                               
both  houses was  to ensure  that the  passion and  engagement is                                                               
present  since  he  is  interested  in  a  collaborative  effort.                                                               
Notwithstanding  that,  he   said  he  understood  Representative                                                               
Isaacson's intent.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT  offered her  belief that  the legislature                                                               
cannot tell  the governor how to  make up a committee,  but could                                                               
just ask that he/she do so.   She suggested that the committee be                                                               
as broad  as possible.   She  further suggested  the resolution's                                                               
vague language  would allow the  governor the latitude  to decide                                                               
who would  serve in  this high-level  working group;  perhaps the                                                               
governor would  decide the members  should be the Speaker  of the                                                               
House and  the Senate President.   She surmised  that legislators                                                               
are  pretty  passionate about  federal  overreach,  but said  she                                                               
feels uncomfortable "spelling out"  who the governor's selections                                                               
would be.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:59:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  said it  occurred to him  that he  did not                                                               
spell out  the purpose of  the working  group, which would  be to                                                               
get ahead  of the budget cycle  for next fall.   He expressed his                                                               
hope that  this working group  would make recommendations  to the                                                               
governor with  respect to the administration's  efforts, and that                                                               
any legislation  required would  be put in  place by  2014, which                                                               
would make  this a very  short-lived, interim working group.   He                                                               
advised members that  he has worked with the  following people on                                                               
HCR 3:  Randy Ruaro, the  deputy chief of staff for Governor Sean                                                               
Parnell; the  executive director of  CACFA; and Ed Fogels  of the                                                               
Department of Natural Resources (DNR).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:01:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON said that he  would no longer consider an                                                               
Amendment to Conceptual  Amendment 1.  He said  he understood how                                                               
the components  of the working  group would work with  respect to                                                               
the next budget cycle.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:02:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES said  she  liked the  bill and  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1.   She asked  for clarification on CACFA  and whether                                                               
it  would  be  appropriate  for  the  working  group  to  provide                                                               
recommendations  to the  proposed Joint  Committee on  Access and                                                               
Federal Overreach.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  said  he   had  been  thinking  that  the                                                               
standing   committee  would   not  exist   unless  the   proposed                                                               
concurrent resolution  passes.  He remarked  that the possibility                                                               
certainly exists that  the resolution may have an  impact even if                                                               
it doesn't pass,  simply because it will raise the  concepts.  He                                                               
stated  his  assumption,   with  respect  to  HCR   3,  that  the                                                               
information would  go through the  normal budget process  and the                                                               
communications would be worked out.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES responded  that  other than  for a  fiscal                                                               
matter,  about which  the  two groups  would  communicate in  the                                                               
normal   process,  she   was  unsure   how  the   entities  would                                                               
communicate.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER,  in  response to  Representative  Hughes,                                                               
again  referred to  the Citizens  Advisory Commission  on Federal                                                               
Areas  (CACFA).   He explained  that  CACFA meets  three or  four                                                               
times a  year and tracks  various federal issues and  entities in                                                               
the state.   He  mentioned that  60 percent  of Alaska's  land is                                                               
federal land.   Additionally, what  CACFA does is work  to ensure                                                               
that Alaska's  rights are  adhered to, in  part, by  checking the                                                               
federal register  and monitor instances in  which Alaska's rights                                                               
of  access are  imposed  upon.   He  said  it happens  regularly,                                                               
sometimes  blatantly.   Furthermore, CACFA  follows the  attorney                                                               
general's actions on federal  legislation.  Representative Keller                                                               
opined that  there is more  to be done  than can be  performed by                                                               
one  group.   He  said the  executive  director estimated  14,000                                                               
pages  of  compendiums.   He  remarked  that many  personnel  are                                                               
acting  in good  faith, but  they  simply don't  know how  unique                                                               
Alaska's  rights  are.    For example,  Alaska  has  hunting  and                                                               
fishing  rights on  federal land  granted  under Alaska  National                                                               
Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:10:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES surmised  that  Alaska  is more  assertive                                                               
than many  other states.  She  asked whether Alaska is  "ahead of                                                               
the game" or if there is something else it could be doing.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  answered  that   Utah  ahead  of  Alaska,                                                               
because it is  doing wonderful things, especially in  the area of                                                               
R.S. 2477s.   He  said Alaska  is strong,  since many  people are                                                               
concerned,  but   it  lacks  the  collective   effort,  which  he                                                               
explained is why he brought forth HCR 3.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:11:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   MILLETT   pointed   out   that   some   of   the                                                               
organizations  previously mentioned  have  been collaborating  on                                                               
not only  what will help  Alaska, but  also what will  help other                                                               
states get  what they need.   She  reported that the  U.S. Senate                                                               
"Western  States Coalition"  and the  [U.S.] House  Energy Action                                                               
Team  also  assist, but  said  the  resolution would  provide  an                                                               
entity  that can  recognize those  groups, which  could give  the                                                               
legislature the  power to  get information.   She  envisioned the                                                               
proposed  joint   committee  would  meet  regularly   to  conduct                                                               
overviews on many topics, including land use issues.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON  removed  his  objection  to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:13:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN,  after  first  determining no  one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HCR 3.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN announced that Conceptual Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:13:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER moved  to  report  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)   for  HCR  3,  Version   29-LS0440\N,  Gardner,                                                               
3/27/13,  as  amended,   out  of  committee.     There  being  no                                                               
objection,  CSHCR 3(STA)  was  reported out  of  the House  State                                                               
Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          HB 59-MISSING VULNERABLE ADULT RESPONSE PLAN                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:14:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  announced that the  last order of business  was HOUSE                                                               
BILL NO. 59, "An Act  relating to missing vulnerable adult prompt                                                               
response and notification plans."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Before the committee was the CSHB 59(MLV).]                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:16:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  moved  to adopt  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB 59,  Version  28-LS0260\Y,  Strasbaugh,                                                               
3/21/13, as  a work draft.   There being no objection,  Version Y                                                               
was before the committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:16:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MAX  GRUENBERG,   Alaska  State  Legislature,  as                                                               
sponsor of HB 59, referred to  a memorandum dated March 26, 2013,                                                               
that mentions  the single  change on page  2, lines  22-29, which                                                               
reinserts  original   bill  language  regarding  immunity.     He                                                               
explained  there  was a  misunderstanding  where  he thought  the                                                               
administration  wanted to  delete the  immunity language,  so the                                                               
House Special  Committee on Military  and Veterans'  Affairs took                                                               
it out.  In response to  a question, he identified Mike O'Hare as                                                               
the    Deputy   Director    of   the    Division   of    Homeland                                                               
Security/Emergency   Management,  Department   of  Military   and                                                               
Veterans Affairs  (DMVA), and said  Mr. O'Hare is  involved since                                                               
the DMVA would set up this network.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[Public testimony, which was closed on 3/21/13, was reopened.]                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:19:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RODNEY DIAL,  Lt.; Deputy Commander,  A Detachment,  Alaska State                                                               
Troopers, Division  of Statewide  Services, Department  of Public                                                               
Safety (DPS),  said the department  is supportive of  the changes                                                               
and having immunity back into the bill.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:19:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER said he thought  everyone would support the                                                               
"Silver Alert System."  He offered  his belief that this would be                                                               
the first time  the legislature would create a  search and rescue                                                               
plan for  a particular  group of  people.   He asked  whether the                                                               
department has  any concern about  that the  proposed legislation                                                               
may  generate other  groups seeking  specific  search and  rescue                                                               
plans.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT DIAL  answered that the department  envisions that [HB
59] would create  a plan that would provide  notifications to the                                                               
media  via an  e-mail,  phone, or  facsimile  ("fax") system  and                                                               
potentially  use the  regional  dispatch centers  to receive  the                                                               
information.    He stated  he  does  not  believe the  number  of                                                               
notifications  that  HB  59  would   generate  would  impact  the                                                               
department  in a  significant manner.   He  concluded by  stating                                                               
that the  department really does  not have any concerns  with the                                                               
proposed legislation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:20:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT  asked Mr.  O'Hare how many  times "Silver                                                               
Alerts"  would have  been activated  in last  five years  if this                                                               
bill had been passed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:21:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  O'HARE, Deputy  Director,  Division  of Homeland  Security/                                                               
Emergency  Management,   Department  of  Military   and  Veterans                                                               
Affairs (DMVA), answered there are  not many instances where this                                                               
would be  in play.   He deferred  to Lieutenant Dial  for further                                                               
comment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT DIAL  guessed that it  would probably be six  or fewer                                                               
"Silver Alerts" per year, in terms  of the DPS; however, it would                                                               
be hard for him to comment  on municipalities.  He said that many                                                               
of  these issues  are resolved  fairly  quickly, so  part of  the                                                               
discussion  would consider  the  timeframe.   For example,  often                                                               
times AST  can patrol an  area and  within a few  minutes resolve                                                               
the matter by  locating the missing person.  He  surmised about a                                                               
dozen cases in total if municipalities were included.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:23:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES asked whether  the six instances previously                                                               
mentioned were ones that would require statewide notification.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT DIAL  answered that DPS  would envision that  it would                                                               
be local notification rather than statewide notification.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:23:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON  referred  to the  provisions  regarding                                                               
indemnity.   He asked  for any  instance in  which AST  would not                                                               
consider  it necessary  to participate  in  a missing  vulnerable                                                               
adult prompt response and notification plan.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT DIAL  said that part  of the discussion  would require                                                               
the  department to  be  mindful of  situations  where someone  is                                                               
abusing the  plan, such  as a domestic  situation where  a person                                                               
has left  intentionally and the partner  reports him/her missing.                                                               
He said  the department would  have concerns  regarding liability                                                               
in such situations.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:25:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  recalled one of  the concerns voiced at  last hearing                                                               
was to determine what the definition of missing person is.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON said  he appreciates  the latitude  that                                                               
would be given the department.   He offered his belief that it is                                                               
important that  language is  in the bill  so the  department does                                                               
not get sued.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:26:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG offered  his  belief  that members  may                                                               
have been thinking that the [Alaska  Tort Claims Act] in Title 9,                                                               
which  generally covers  when you  can  sue the  state for  tort,                                                               
would cover this.  He agreed it  would in certain cases, if it is                                                               
a  discretionary act;  however,  someone could  argue  it is  not                                                               
discretionary.   He supported reinserting the  immunity language,                                                               
because  he  said people  must  act  quickly  and must  have  the                                                               
discretion to do so.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:27:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT referred to  the definition of "vulnerable                                                               
adult",  [on page  3, lines  5-7, of  Version Y],  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          (d) In this section, "vulnerable adult" means a                                                                       
     person  18  years  of  age or  older  who,  because  of                                                                    
     physical or  mental impairment, is  unable to  meet the                                                                    
     person's own needs or to seek help without assistance.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT  offered  her  understanding  that  "that                                                               
would  take  out  the  boyfriend/girlfriend  kind  of  situation,                                                               
because  if they  are not  ... physically  or mentally  impaired,                                                               
then  they   wouldn't  be  considered  under   the  Silver  Alert                                                               
[System]."  She asked if that is correct.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG answered yes.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT  posited that  would remove  concern about                                                               
malicious calls.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG responded, "That's the intent."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT  mentioned work done "earlier  this year,"                                                               
and suggested,  "So, we could  put 'mentally'  or 'intellectually                                                               
disabled'."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG responded, "Of course; your bill."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:28:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN reclosed public testimony on HB 59.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:28:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT  suggested  changing the  description  of                                                               
vulnerable adult to  match the language now in  statute on mental                                                               
disability.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT moved to  adopt Conceptual Amendment 1, on                                                               
[page   3],   line   6,  to   change   "mental   impairment"   to                                                               
"intellectually and  developmentally disabled".   There  being no                                                               
objection, Conceptual Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:30:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER moved  to  report  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB 59,  Version  28-LS0260\Y,  Strasbaugh,                                                               
3/21/13,   as  amended,   out   of   committee  with   individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying fiscal notes.   There being                                                               
no objection,  CSHB 59(STA) was  reported out of the  House State                                                               
Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:30:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
State Affairs  Standing Committee  meeting was adjourned  at 9:30                                                               
a.m.