03/24/2009 08:00 AM House STATE AFFAIRS
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| HB73 | |
| HB123|| SB35 | |
| HB193 | |
| Adjourn |
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| *+ | HB 73 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 123 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 193 | TELECONFERENCED | |
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ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE
March 24, 2009
8:09 a.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Bob Lynn, Chair
Representative Paul Seaton, Vice Chair
Representative Craig Johnson
Representative Peggy Wilson
Representative Max Gruenberg
Representative Pete Petersen
MEMBERS ABSENT
Representative Carl Gatto
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
HOUSE BILL NO. 73
"An Act relating to honorary foreign consul license plates; and
providing for an effective date."
- MOVED CSHB 73(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE
HOUSE BILL NO. 123
"An Act extending the termination date of the Statewide Suicide
Prevention Council; and providing for an effective date."
- HEARD AND HELD
HOUSE BILL NO. 193
"An Act relating to representation by a legislator or
legislative employee of another person in an administrative
hearing; relating to charity events under the Legislative Ethics
Act; requiring compensation of public members of the Select
Committee on Legislative Ethics; exempting certain information
from disclosure requirements of the Legislative Ethics Act;
relating to the selection of alternate members and the
participation of members and alternate members in formal
proceedings of the Select Committee on Legislative Ethics and
its subcommittees; and defining 'constituent,' 'constituent
service,' 'legislative purpose,' 'nonlegislative purpose,' and
'private benefit' for the purposes of the Legislative Ethics
Act."
- HEARD AND HELD; ASSIGNED TO SUBCOMMITTEE
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION
BILL: HB 73
SHORT TITLE: HONORARY CONSUL LICENSE PLATES
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) LYNN
01/20/09 (H) PREFILE RELEASED 1/16/09
01/20/09 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
01/20/09 (H) STA, FIN
03/12/09 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106
03/12/09 (H) <Bill Hearing Canceled>
03/24/09 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106
BILL: HB 123
SHORT TITLE: EXTEND SUICIDE PREVENTION COUNCIL
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) FAIRCLOUGH
02/11/09 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/11/09 (H) STA, FIN
03/24/09 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106
BILL: HB 193
SHORT TITLE: LEGISLATIVE ETHICS ACT
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) COGHILL
03/18/09 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
03/18/09 (H) STA, JUD
03/24/09 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106
WITNESS REGISTER
NANCY MANLY, Staff
Representative Bob Lynn
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced HB 73 on behalf of
Representative Lynn, prime sponsor.
SUSIE HILL KOKLICH
Valdez, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on behalf of the Alaska State
Firefighter's Association (ASFA) during the hearing on HB 73.
DAVE MILLER, President
Alaska State Firefighter's Association (ASFA)
Sitka, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 73.
WHITNEY BREWSTER, Director
Division of Motor Vehicles
Department of Administration
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 73.
nd
MICHELLE WESTON, 2 Vice President
Board of Directors
Alaska Fire Chiefs Association (AFCA)
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on behalf of the AFCA in support
of HB 73.
CRYSTAL KOENEMAN, Staff
Representative Anna Fairclough
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented HB 123 on behalf of
Representative Fairclough, prime sponsor.
PAT DAVIDSON, Legislative Auditor
Legislative Audit Division
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the hearing on HB
123.
L. DIANE CASTO, Manager
Prevention and Early Intervention Section
Division of Behavioral Health
Department of Health & Social Services
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 123.
RYNNIEVA MOSS, Staff
Representative John Coghill
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced HB 193 on behalf of
Representative Coghill, prime sponsor.
JOYCE ANDERSON, Ethics Committee Administrator
Select Committee on Legislative Ethics ("the Ethics Committee")
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided information during the hearing on
HB 193.
TERRY L. THURBON, Chief Administrative Law Judge
Office of Administrative Hearings
Department of Administration
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided comments during the hearing on HB
193.
ACTION NARRATIVE
8:09:01 AM
CHAIR BOB LYNN called the House State Affairs Standing Committee
meeting to order at 8:09 a.m. Representatives Seaton, Johnson,
Wilson, Petersen, and Lynn were present at the call to order.
Representative Gruenberg arrived as the meeting was in progress.
HB 73-HONORARY CONSUL LICENSE PLATES
8:09:50 AM
CHAIR LYNN announced that the first order of business was HOUSE
BILL NO. 73, "An Act relating to honorary foreign consul license
plates; and providing for an effective date."
8:09:55 AM
NANCY MANLY, Staff, Representative Bob Lynn, Alaska State
Legislature, introduced HB 73 on behalf of Representative Lynn,
prime sponsor. She noted that included in the committee packet
is a committee substitute (CS) for HB 73, labeled 26-LS0303\E,
Luckhaupt, 3/12/09. She explained that Representative Harris
had requested the bill include license plates for fire fighters
and emergency medical service (EMS) providers. Problems
developed regarding the inclusion of the honorary foreign
consul, so that part of the bill was deleted. Currently, the
aforementioned CS includes only fire fighters and EMS providers.
8:10:48 AM
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON moved to adopt the proposed committee
substitute (CS) for HB 73, labeled 26-LS0303\E, Luckhaupt,
3/12/09, as a work draft.
8:10:59 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected, then removed his objection.
There being no further objection, Version E was before the
committee.
8:11:33 AM
SUSIE HILL KOKLICH, testifying on behalf of the Alaska State
Firefighter's Association (ASFA), called HB 73 a "feel good"
bill that would serve as a thank you to fire fighters and EMS
providers. She said this has been done for others in the state
and ASFA feels it is time for fire fighters and EMS providers in
the state of Alaska to be recognized, especially volunteers who
do not get paid for their service.
8:12:37 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON directed attention to language on page 2,
[Section 2, beginning on line 14], which shows three different
fees scheduled, and he said he would like to know the reasoning
behind the proposed fees.
MS. KOKLICH said she could not respond, because she had no input
regarding those fees.
8:13:50 AM
DAVE MILLER, President, Alaska State Firefighter's Association
(ASFA), testified in support of HB 73. He related that he is a
member of the Sitka Volunteer Fire Department. He concurred
with Ms. Koklich that HB 73 is a great way in which to recognize
volunteers. He said it has been shown that "little bits of
recognition like this really help in recruitment and retention
of volunteers for the future." He reported that the number of
people volunteering nationwide is low, and the proposed bill may
help the effort to increase volunteer numbers. He suggested
that [when special license plates are in place], people can note
who is volunteering and perhaps be inspired to do so themselves.
8:14:54 AM
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON stated for the record that she was a
former emergency medical technician (EMT) who worked for an
ambulance squad and thus would qualify to receive a special
license through HB 73.
CHAIR LYNN said he drove an ambulance in Tucson, Arizona, years
ago.
8:15:38 AM
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON directed attention to page 2, line 3,
which read:
(A) a fire department in this state and the
fire department is recognized as a fire department by
the state fire marshal; or
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON asked if all volunteer fire departments
are recognized by the fire marshal.
MR. MILLER responded that there are approximately 250 recognized
fire departments in the state of Alaska, and perhaps 15-20 that
are not currently registered. He said "we" are working on
getting those departments registered.
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON said whether or not a person volunteers
for a recognized fire department or an unrecognized one, a
firefighter is still putting his/her life on the line. He
explained that he does not want people excluded from the bill
who are doing the same job, just because the fire marshal has
not recognized them.
8:16:53 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON concurred, but stated his concern that if
there is no classification, anyone could say he/she is a
volunteer firefighter.
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON said he does not know the answer, but
wanted to pose the question.
8:17:25 AM
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked the committee to consider changing
language in the bill to address the fact that some EMT programs
are not affiliated with a fire department, but are recognized.
8:18:27 AM
WHITNEY BREWSTER, Director, Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV),
Department of Administration, testified in support of HB 73.
She said the DMV would like to know how it will be able to
verify an applicant's claim that he/she is a fire fighter or EMS
provider.
MR. MILLER said he would be willing to work out a method by
which the DMV could make that identification. He suggested
forms could be created for the fire fighters' supervisors to
sign, for example.
8:19:45 AM
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON asked if any kind of law or statute
exists against impersonating a fire fighter.
CHAIR LYNN stated his assumption that such a law would apply to
the acquisition of a special license plate for those who have
earned a purple heart.
8:20:24 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG responded that there is a federal law
against impersonating the acquisition of a medal, and he said he
would look in statute to determine the answer to Representative
Johnson's question.
8:21:02 AM
MS. KOKLICH stated that it is the intent of ASFA that any
individual, whether active or retired, wanting a special license
would need to get certification from his/her local fire
department and take that paperwork to the DMV in order to be
issued the plate.
8:21:26 AM
MS. KOKLICH, in regard to Representative Johnson's previous
question, offered her understanding that many of the [fire]
departments that are not recognized exist off the road system
and do not even have vehicles. She confirmed Mr. Miller's
previous remark that work is being done with the small
departments to get them registered with the state fire marshal's
office.
8:22:58 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG cited AS 11.46.570, which read as
follows:
Sec. 11.46.570. Criminal impersonation in the second
degree.
(a) A person commits the crime of criminal
impersonation in the second degree if the person
(1) assumes a false identity and does an act in
the assumed character with intent to defraud, commit a
crime, or obtain a benefit to which the person is not
entitled; or
(2) pretends to be a representative of some
person or organization and does an act in the
pretended capacity with intent to defraud, commit a
crime, or obtain a benefit to which the person is not
entitled.
(b) Criminal impersonation in the second degree
is a class A misdemeanor.
CHAIR LYNN stated his assumption that obtaining a special
license would be a benefit.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said he believes so. He cited another
applicable statute, AS 11.56.827, which read as follows:
Sec. 11.56.827. Impersonating a public servant in the
first degree.
(a) A person commits the crime of impersonating a
public servant in the first degree if the person
violates AS 11.56.830 by pretending to be a peace
officer and purports to exercise the authority of a
peace officer in relation to another person.
(b) Impersonating a public servant in the first
degree is a class C felony.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG cited a third related statute, AS
11.56.830, which read as follows:
Sec. 11.56.830. Impersonating a public servant in the
second degree.
(a) A person commits the crime of impersonating a
public servant in the second degree if the person
pretends to be a public servant and purports to
exercise the authority of a public servant in relation
to another person.
(b) It is not a defense to a prosecution under
this section that
(1) the office the defendant pretended to hold
did not in fact exist; or
(2) the defendant was in fact a public servant
different than the one the defendant pretended to be.
(c) This section does not apply to a peace
officer acting within the scope and authority of the
officer's employment.
(d) Impersonating a public servant in the second
degree is a class B misdemeanor.
8:25:53 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON clarified for the record that if someone
is driving a car with a special license plate, but is not the
recipient of said license plate, that person would not be guilty
of impersonating a firefighter.
8:27:07 AM
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON clarified his concern relates to the
obtaining of a license plate.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG cited AS 11.81.900(44), which read:
(44) "peace officer" means a public servant
vested by law with a duty to maintain public order or
to make arrests, whether the duty extends to all
offenses or is limited to a specific class of offenses
or offenders;
MR. MILLER, in response to Representative Gruenberg, surmised
that firefighters do not fall under that statute. In response
to Chair Lynn, he said a fire fighter can ask people to step
away, but cannot arrest them for not doing so.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG noted that paragraph (44) uses the word
"or", and he asked if firefighters maintain public order.
MR. MILLER answered that they do.
8:29:45 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG directed attention to page 2, lines 3-
4, of Version E, which read:
(A) a fire department in this state and the
fire department is recognized as a fire department by
the state fire marshal; or
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked if [military] base fire
departments are included in that category.
MR. MILLER answered yes.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG suggested that firefighters deployed to
Iraq should be considered.
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON offered her understanding that there are
special license plates for veterans.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG confirmed that is correct, but said he
thinks firefighters stationed on a base should be allowed also
to obtain the special license plates for firefighters. He
explained that the language which concerns him is "in this
state", which he pointed out also occurs on [page 2, line 9].
8:31:58 AM
MR. MILLER said he thinks [including firefighters stationed
overseas] would be fine, as long as the chief of the base
department was willing to provide authorization.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG remarked that having one of these
licenses may be beneficial for firefighters, because that would
identify them in an emergency situation.
CHAIR LYNN said anyone who is a firefighter in the state would
qualify. If someone qualified for a plate, then subsequently
moved out of state, the plate would expire in normal course of
time. He stated that he sees no need to "drill down this deeply
into this."
8:34:18 AM
MS. BREWSTER explained that to apply for the special license
plate, an individual would show the DMV a signed form proving
he/she is an active or former firefighter. She said if it is
the intent of the legislature to include those firefighters who
operate on a military base, then the division would honor that.
8:35:35 AM
MICHELLE WESTON, 2 Vice President, Board of Directors, Alaska
Fire Chiefs Association (AFCA), testified on behalf of the AFCA
in support of HB 73. She characterized the proposed legislation
as "doable." She said she thinks the association can work with
the DMV and work on certification of individuals. Ms. Weston
said she thinks the majority of Alaskan communities have
certified volunteer firefighters and emergency medical
technicians that "routinely leave their families and jobs day
and night to provide service to local communities." Ms. Weston
stated, "We join with the other firefighter associations across
the state to urge your approval for this."
MS. WESTON noted that in other states, revenue from similar
plates has been put back into volunteer firefighter
organizations or into the Juvenile Firesetter Intervention
program. She said she would like to see that happen.
8:36:58 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG, in response to Chair Lynn, directed
attention to language on page 2, [lines 27-29], which read as
follows:
the annual estimated balance in the account that is in
excess of the cost of issuing special request plates
may be appropriated by the legislature for the
purposes provided in AS 14.43.085.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG highlighted the related points found
throughout AS 14.43.085.
8:38:38 AM
CHAIR LYNN closed public testimony.
8:39:16 AM
MS. BREWSTER, in response to Representative Seaton, offered her
understanding that Version E would allow anyone who wants a
commemorative plate to obtain one by paying the $100 fee, plus
the $35 fee found on [page 2], line 21.
8:41:14 AM
MS. BREWSTER, in response to Representative Petersen, said the
cost to the state for making each special plate is about $10,
and the remaining fees collected would go into the general fund.
She noted that that is spelled out on page 2, lines 21-29.
8:42:06 AM
MS. BREWSTER, in response to Representative Wilson, offered her
understanding that the design of the special plate would be the
same whether it was for an active or former fire fighter or EMS
provider, or was a commemorative plate.
8:42:58 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON moved to report CSHB 73, Version 26-
LS0303\E, Luckhaupt, 3/12/09, out of committee with individual
recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. There being
no objection, CSHB 73(STA) was reported out of the House State
Affairs Standing Committee.
HB 123-EXTEND SUICIDE PREVENTION COUNCIL
[Contains discussion of SB 35]
8:43:26 AM
CHAIR LYNN announced that the next order of business was HOUSE
BILL NO. 123, "An Act extending the termination date of the
Statewide Suicide Prevention Council; and providing for an
effective date."
8:43:41 AM
CRYSTAL KOENEMAN, Staff, Representative Anna Fairclough, Alaska
State Legislature, presented HB 123 on behalf of Representative
Fairclough, prime sponsor. She said the proposed bill asks for
an extension of the sunset date from June 30, 2009, to June 30,
2013. In response to Chair Lynn, she offered her understanding
that the time frame prior to the 2009 sunset date was four
years.
8:44:49 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked if a Legislative Budget and Audit
[sunset review] was conducted.
MS. KOENEMAN said she does not know, but could find out.
8:45:38 AM
PAT DAVIDSON, Legislative Auditor, Legislative Audit Division,
Alaska State Legislature, confirmed that the division did
conduct a sunset review on the [Statewide Suicide Prevention
Council]. As a result of the review, she reported, the division
recommends the four-year extension. Statute allows for up to an
eight-year extension. She said the [council] is having
difficulty appointing people. She related that after its prior
review, the division made a recommendation to the governor's
office that "they be more timely with their appointments." This
year, Ms. Davidson reported, the division encountered the same
problems, and is concerned that the qualifications for
appointment to the council are too narrow. Thus, the division
recommends that the legislature consider broadening the
membership requirements for the council. She explained that
when the restrictions about who exactly should be on the council
get too narrow, the pool of people who are willing to serve is
reduced.
MS. DAVIDSON said the division also recommends that the four
members of the legislature who are appointed to the council be
nonvoting members. She explained the intent is not to take
their voice away, but "they're having difficulty meeting their
quorum." She stated, "Basically, we look at it and they're
running about 51-53 percent attendance at the meeting for this
15-person board, and it's difficult to get your business done
when you are fighting that quorum issue."
MS. DAVIDSON, in response to Chair Lynn, offered her
understanding that the council meets a couple times a year. She
continued:
The statutes surrounding this [council] talk about it
as an advisory council to the governor and to the
legislature, and it provides a list of areas that ...
they should be aware of. And what we found is that
the council's actually active in some of those areas.
Rather than making a recommendation to the governor
[and] the legislature that something be done, the
council's actually doing some of those things, which
is ... why we recommended extension for the council.
8:48:47 AM
MS. DAVIDSON, in response to Chair Lynn, said she does not know
where the board typically meets.
8:49:01 AM
MS. DAVIDSON, in response to a question from Representative
Petersen, confirmed that the audit found that overall
appointment and attendance at meetings was running around 54
percent. As of September 30, [2008], there were three vacancies
in the 15-member council, and the vacancies had existed for
quite awhile. She recommended ways in which the qualifications
could be broadened. For example, instead of requiring a
secondary school counselor, the requirement could be simply for
a counselor, or, if the important feature is secondary school,
then perhaps the qualification could include a teacher, as well
as a counselor. By broadening the membership, Ms. Davidson
reiterated, the result would be a better pool of people.
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN proffered another option would be to
allow a retired student counselor.
CHAIR LYNN asked if anything is being done to "broaden that
out."
MS. DAVIDSON noted that the requirements are in statute, thus
the legislature would have to make those changes.
8:51:08 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said he thinks that along with the issue
of the sunset date, the sponsor would probably be "looking at
that in conjunction with the committee."
8:51:56 AM
MS. KOENEMAN relayed that the sponsor had originally introduced
HB 123 as a companion bill to SB 35, which is sponsored by
Senator Davis. She said those involved in crafting SB 35 are
considering the optimum composition of the council. She said
the sponsor of HB 123 would be willing to consider improving the
composition of the council, but would not want to risk a delay
that would cause the expiration of the council.
8:53:10 AM
MS. KOENEMAN, in response to Representative Gruenberg, offered
her understanding that SB 35 is currently sitting in the Senate
Finance Committee.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked Ms. Koeneman if she thinks it
would be efficient to "put something in so we can start moving
something over here, with the expectation they'll meet up."
MS. KOENEMAN responded that she does not know whether that would
help, and she reiterated that the sponsor's main concern is that
the council does not sunset.
CHAIR LYNN said he thinks the committee should limit the focus
of HB 123 on the termination date, and independently check on
[SB 35] to "see what's happening."
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said statute requires the audit of
agencies before their sunset date, so that the legislature can
review the audits to discover recommended improvements. If the
improvements are not made at that time, he said, there will not
be a chance to consider them again until just before the next
sunset date. Therefore, if there are provisions in SB 35 which
incorporate the Legislative Budget and Audit recommendations,
the House should mirror those provisions in its own bill, he
opined.
8:55:30 AM
CHAIR LYNN remarked that Representative Seaton's point is well
made. He said he is wondering whether the committee ought to
hold HB 123 until it finds out [what the Senate is doing with SB
35].
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON clarified his concern is that if the House
were to send legislation over to the Senate that is totally
different from SB 35, that would result in time-consuming
conflict. He suggested that incorporating the changes
recommended in the audit would speed up the process.
8:56:34 AM
MS. KOENEMAN, in response to Chair Lynn, reiterated that
although the sponsor would be willing to incorporate the audit
recommendations, her greatest concern is to see that the council
is not allowed to sunset. She noted that April 16 is the last
day to hear bills. In response to Chair Lynn, she offered her
understanding that the recommendations of the audit are
incorporated in SB 35.
8:57:24 AM
MS. DAVIDSON added her understanding that the Statewide Suicide
Prevention Council met in February and passed along
recommendations to Senator Davis' office, and those
recommendations were incorporated into [SB 35].
8:57:54 AM
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON recommended that the committee create a
committee substitute (CS) that mirrors the wording [SB 35], but
that it does so as quickly as possible.
8:58:39 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said he thinks the committee needs to
obtain a copy of the Legislative Budget and Audit Committee's
sunset review audit and consider the recommendations directed
toward improving the council.
8:59:28 AM
L. DIANE CASTO, Manager, Prevention and Early Intervention
Section, Division of Behavioral Health, Department of Health &
Social Services, offered a brief history of the Statewide
Suicide Prevention Council. She stated that as of July 1, the
council has sat within the Division of Behavioral Health. Prior
to that, the council sat in the Office of the Commissioner. The
commissioner made the decision to move the council into the
Division of Behavioral Health to place it closer to where
suicide prevention activities are happening at the state level.
Ms. Casto noted that she and one other person are currently
staff to the council, in addition to their other activities.
MS. CASTO said the department supports HB 123. It is well-known
that suicide is a huge issue for the state, and the department
is working diligently towards a drop in the suicide rate, she
reported. There are a number of grant programs being run in
communities; the $1.5 Garrett Lee Smith Youth Suicide Prevention
Grant - a federal grant - has just been awarded the department.
Ms. Casto stated, "We feel that right now things are really
starting to pull together, and the council is a huge asset for
Alaska, and it provides guidance and direction to the
department.
9:01:31 AM
MS. CASTO said following the audit, the council held a meeting
February 4-5, during which it held a discussion related to the
audit and the recommendations therein. She indicated that the
council came up with ideas for "tweaking the membership." She
offered the following example: "an employee from a secondary
school system such as but limited to a teacher, administrator,
counselor, nurse, or other school personnel." She said wording
very similar to that was incorporated into SB 35. An additional
recommended change was to add a public member to the council.
MS. CASTO stated support of the current committee substitute for
SB 35. Furthermore, she reported that currently all seats on
the council are filled at this time. She stated, "It's the
first time in a long time that we've had a full council, so
we're very excited about that." Ms. Casto relayed that one
additional question that came up after recommendations were made
for the committee substitute related to adding the public
member, which would give the council an even number of members.
She said often an odd number of people is desired in order to
break ties; however, she told the committee that the council is
not contentious and works well together. A second public member
could be added to address the issue; however, Ms. Casto said the
council felt that within its existing budget it could absorb the
cost of one additional member, but not two. Another option
would be to follow Robert's Rules of Order and ensure that the
chair does not vote "unless there is a tie or to create a tie."
9:04:55 AM
CHAIR LYNN asked Ms. Casto what her opinion is regarding the
idea to align HB 193 with SB 35.
9:05:11 AM
MS. CASTO replied, "We support that."
9:05:23 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON noted, "One of the other issues that was
brought up was ... having the legislative members be non-
voting." He asked if the council considered that matter.
MS. CASTO replied that the council did consider that matter, and
it would like to continue to have four legislative members on
the council, but in more of an advisory role. She explained
that it is difficult for legislators to come to a two-day
meeting; their attendance has been "spotty," she noted.
Regarding the prior question regarding how often and where the
council meets, Ms. Casto relayed that the council meets
quarterly - once in Juneau during the session, once in
Anchorage, and twice in outlying areas.
CHAIR LYNN questioned the potential for conflict of interest
when a legislative member of the council hears the same issue
before the legislature.
MS. CASTO said she is not sure there would be a conflict, but it
would depend upon the issue. She said, "We feel that being in
an advisory role gives us that advantage of having ...
legislators participate and be active in the conversation in
helping make decisions ...."
9:07:40 AM
MS. CASTO, in response to a question from Representative
Gruenberg, said all council members knew about today's hearing,
but she does not think any of them are here.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG expressed his hope that the next time
the issue is revisited, the chair of the council could [be
present].
MS. CASTO, in response to a question from Representative
Gruenberg, said the Statewide Suicide Prevention Council is not
one that is required to get federal funds.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked if the council, in its
deliberations, took up any other legislative reform or
amendments, or any other issues.
MS. CASTO explained that when the council was moved into the
Division of Behavioral Health, there was no opportunity to hire
a new coordinator, because decisions needed to be made about
funding. When the position was in the Office of the
Commissioner, one person served multiple jobs and "did a job
share with a number of different councils." Ms. Casto indicated
that the idea is to ensure that the council has the opportunity
to determine who its staff is.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG asked, "Has that problem been cured?"
MS. CASTO answered yes.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said, "Okay, so, there's nothing else
other than the make-up of the council."
MS. CASTO confirmed that is correct.
9:10:42 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said having served on a similar body
many years ago, he is interested to see how this works and what
the legislature should be doing. He said he is glad the
[council] will be addressing this issue, and he said he would
welcome any further advice from the council itself.
CHAIR LYNN asked Ms. Koeneman if she would "assist in putting
this together." He stated his intent not only to not let the
council expire, but also to do everything possible "in getting
it in one package."
9:11:44 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON requested that copies of the Legislative
Budget & Audit sunset review and the department's
recommendations be distributed.
9:12:01 AM
CHAIR LYNN said he would hold public testimony open.
[HB 123 was held over.]
HB 193-LEGISLATIVE ETHICS ACT
9:12:17 AM
CHAIR LYNN announced that the last order of business was HOUSE
BILL NO. 193, "An Act relating to representation by a legislator
or legislative employee of another person in an administrative
hearing; relating to charity events under the Legislative Ethics
Act; requiring compensation of public members of the Select
Committee on Legislative Ethics; exempting certain information
from disclosure requirements of the Legislative Ethics Act;
relating to the selection of alternate members and the
participation of members and alternate members in formal
proceedings of the Select Committee on Legislative Ethics and
its subcommittees; and defining 'constituent,' 'constituent
service,' 'legislative purpose,' 'nonlegislative purpose,' and
'private benefit' for the purposes of the Legislative Ethics
Act."
9:12:29 AM
RYNNIEVA MOSS, Staff, Representative John Coghill, Alaska State
Legislature, Introduced HB 193 on behalf of Representative
Coghill, prime sponsor. She said the bill addresses issues
within ethics law which the Select Committee on Legislative
Ethics thinks need to be refined. She suggested giving a
sectional analysis for the committee.
9:13:51 AM
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON moved to adopt the proposed committee
substitute (CS), Version 26-LS0656\S, Wayne, 3/23/09, as a work
draft.
9:13:59 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for discussion purposes.
9:14:08 AM
MS. MOSS noted that definitions are found on page 7 of both the
original bill and Version S. One definition that has been
changed is that of constituent. The original bill limited the
definition of constituent as someone living in a candidate's
election district. The definition on page 7, lines 24-25, of
Version S, read:
(17) "constituent" means a natural person to
whom a legislator owes a duty of representation under
the Constitution of the State of Alaska;
MS. MOSS explained that the term constituent is used in ethics
laws related to controlling campaign. She said, "By defining
constituent this broadly in this section of the law, we're
causing other problems."
CHAIR LYNN asked, "You mean in the original bill?"
MS. MOSS answered, "In both bills." She stated, "In our
discussions this morning, quite frankly, I think what we're
looking at is defining the word 'person'."
9:15:36 AM
JOYCE ANDERSON, Ethics Committee Administrator, Select Committee
on Legislative Ethics ("the Ethics Committee"), cited the
definition of "person" in AS 01.10.060, which read as follows:
Sec. 01.10.060. Definitions.
(a) In the laws of the state, unless the context
otherwise requires,
(8) "person" includes a corporation, company,
partnership, firm, association, organization, business
trust, or society, as well as a natural person;
MS. ANDERSON said the definition of person is "very broad."
9:16:13 AM
MS. MOSS said [the Ethics Committee] is having problems with AS
24.60.030(a)(2), which read as follows:
(2) use public funds, facilities, equipment,
services, or another government asset or resource for
a nonlegislative purpose, for involvement in or
support of or opposition to partisan political
activity, or for the private benefit of either the
legislator, legislative employee, or another person;
MS. MOSS said "person" should be defined, not "constituent".
She mentioned [AS 24.60.030(a)(2)(J)], which states that
paragraph (2) does not prohibit:
(J) a legislator from sending any communication
in the form of a newsletter to the legislator's
constituents, except a communication expressly
advocating the election or defeat of a candidate or a
newsletter or material in a newsletter that is clearly
only for the private benefit of a legislator or a
legislative employee; or
MS. MOSS continued:
So, if you define constituents broadly, then what
you're saying is a legislator could send a newsletter
statewide, and it could be within a window period very
close to an election. It could be a House member who
is running for a Senate seat that sends his newsletter
to two House districts, which under current law would
be unethical. So, in using the word constituent, ...
there could be a lot of unintended consequences.
MR. MOSS recommended either that the definition under (17) [of
Version S, text provided previously] be eliminated or that the
definition of "person" in [AS 01.10.060, text provided
previously] be reinserted.
9:18:12 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG suggested one way to address the issue
would be to delete the word "natural" from paragraph (17) [text
provided previously]. He stated that some people have concerns
about legislators sending newsletters outside their districts,
but Representative Gruenberg said he does not share that
concern. He said he thinks a legislator has a duty to exercise
free speech. He posited that people are interested in what
legislators do, and he thinks legislators have the
responsibility to keep the people in the state informed. He
clarified that legislators do not solely represent natural
people, but also represent groups of people.
MS. MOSS said 24.60.030(a)(2) addresses the use of public funds
and facilities. The word constituent is not used in that
subsection, she said. The term used is "another person". She
clarified, "So, my concern is, we're defining "constituent", but
the problem exists in the word "person".
9:22:28 AM
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked for clarification.
9:22:49 AM
CHAIR LYNN referred to the words "owes a duty of representation"
- in paragraph (17) - and said he does not represent the
Shriners or Providence [Hospital], for example.
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON related that although she is not the
Representative for those living on Prince of Wales Island, she
is the Representative closest in proximity; therefore, she
receives calls from people who live on the island, at which
point she does not tell them they are not her constituents, but
rather helps them if she can. She said she thinks it is
important to ensure that it is okay for legislators to do that.
MS. MOSS responded as follows:
I think she brings up a good point, and "constituent"
certainly could be defined as a person, as it is here.
I just think we need to clarify that a person, in this
subsection, is defined as it is in Title I.
9:24:17 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON remarked that by defining the term
constituent broadly, big oil companies would be his
constituents, yet under campaign law, contributions from oil
companies are not allowed. He said he wants to ensure "what
ramifications this goes through," and he recommended looking at
where the term constituent is used throughout all ethics
legislation and APOC regulations.
9:25:25 AM
MS. MOSS responded, "This ... actually is a definition in this
chapter. That's how it is read in Section 24.60.990,
definitions (a); in this chapter these words are defined in this
manner."
9:25:47 AM
MS. ANDERSON proffered that there are two sections in ethics
statute that use the word "constituent". One is the statute to
which Ms. Moss referred, 24.60.030(a)(2)(j), which states that a
legislator or legislative employee may not "use public funds,
facilities, equipment, services, or another government asset or
resource for a nonlegislative purpose, for involvement in or
support of or opposition to partisan political activity, or for
the private benefit of either the legislator, legislative
employee, or another person". Listed under that which paragraph
(2) does not prohibit is subparagraph (J), which read as
follows:
(J) a legislator from sending any communication
in the form of a newsletter to the legislator's
constituents, except a communication expressly
advocating the election or defeat of a candidate or a
newsletter or material in a newsletter that is clearly
only for the private benefit of a legislator or a
legislative employee;
MS. ANDERSON said the other instance where "constituent" appears
in ethics statute is in AS 24.60.030(e), which states that a
legislator "may not directly, or by authorizing another to act
on the legislator's behalf":
(2) state or imply that the legislator will
perform or refrain from performing a lawful
constituent service as a result of a person's decision
to provide or not provide a political contribution,
donate or not donate to a cause favored by the
legislator, or provide or not provide a thing of
value;
9:27:48 AM
MS. MOSS moved on to the next definition on page 7, lines 26-28,
of Version S, which read as follows:
(18) "constituent service" means assistance,
including representation other than legal
representation and advice other than legal advice,
that is provided by a legislator or a legislator's
staff to a constituent;
MS. MOSS explained that the language in the original bill
version stipulated that the constituent would be "a constituent
of the legislator", but that the words "of the legislator" were
deleted in the crafting of Version S. She said, "As long as it
is a legislative purpose, it doesn't matter where the
constituent lives."
9:28:59 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON interpreted the definitions of
"constituent" and "constituent service" - especially if the word
"natural" were to be removed - to mean that anybody who wants a
legislator to work on an issue is that legislator's constituent.
MS. MOSS responded that that is the intent of the bill sponsor.
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON questioned if that would mean any person -
not limited to those in Alaska.
MS. MOSS answered, "Yes, as long as ... the benefit to that
person or corporation is no greater than the benefit of anyone
in that same class."
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON indicated that the changes pointed out and
discussed thus far would make the language very broad.
9:32:05 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said he thinks it is important that
legislators are allowed to exercise their responsibilities, as
long as it's done honestly.
9:33:16 AM
MS. MOSS talked about legislative purpose and the role of the
Ethics Committee to determine whether or not "you've gone too
far."
9:33:51 AM
MS. ANDERSON said when she speaks to legislative offices about
constituent service, she tells them that they are the people who
help constituents through a process - not to do the process for
them. She indicated that the language discussed thus far would
allow legislators to "work on some of those other issues," while
still putting constraints on legislative office, based on other
parts of the ethics code.
9:35:01 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said he likes the language of paragraph
(17) on page 7, without the word "natural". He talked about
California law, the Constitution of the United States, and a
term called "long-arm statute." He said the aforementioned
language would allow legislators to represent folks "to the
extent permitted under the state constitution." He opined that
that is a great idea, because it preserves the separation of
powers and allows legislators to do their work.
MS. MOSS continued to the next definition, the term "legislative
purpose", which appears on page 7, lines 29-30, in Version S,
and read as follows:
(19) "legislative purpose" means a goal of a
legislative action or a constituent service;
MS. MOSS noted that the original bill specifies that the
constituent service would be one "that is a primary goal or,
when measured against other goals of the legislative action or
constituent service, is a substantial goal". She said the bill
sponsor feels that the language in Version S is enough.
MS. MOSS said the definition of "private benefit" has been
changed in Version S to read as follows:
(21) "private benefit" means a financial
benefit to a person as a result of a legislative,
administrative, or political action of which financial
benefit to that person in particular is a substantial
goal and that is greater than the financial benefit of
the legislative, administrative, or political action
to a substantial class of persons to which the person
belongs by law, choice, legal entitlement, legal
privilege, profession, occupation, industry, or
region.
MS. MOSS explained that this language follows the premise that
the benefit "does not exceed the same benefit that would be
applied to any other person in that class." Constituent
services, she said, usually take place when something wrong has
happened within an agency that has cost the constituent a right
or entitlement, and it is the legislator's duty to attempt to
correct that wrong. She offered examples. Ms. Moss mentioned
House Bill 53 - the Family Rights Act - which she said was
brought about as a result of issues brought to legislators
regarding Child In Need of Aid laws that needed to be fixed.
She concluded, "If we're taking what goes wrong with government
and making it right through legislation, then what we're doing
with that constituent definitely has a legislative purpose."
9:39:27 AM
MS. ANDERSON expressed concern about the word "financial" in the
definition of "private benefit". She explained that there is
already a single definition for the following: "anything of
value"; "benefit"; and "thing of value". She continued as
follows:
That talks about whether it's tangible or intangible,
and it also says "that could reasonably be considered
to be a material advantage or material worth, use, or
service to the person to whom it is conferred." And
the terms are intended to be interpreted broadly and
encompass all matters that the recipient might find
sufficiently desirable to do something in exchange
for.
MS. ANDERSON clarified that she is concerned there could be a
conflict between the definition that is being proposed for
"private benefit" and the definition that already exists for
"benefit". She suggested that the word "financial" be removed
[from page 2, lines 2, 3, and 4], because then the language
"private benefit" would be a further qualification based on the
established meaning of "benefit."
MS. MOSS said the sponsor would have no problem with that
recommendation.
9:41:40 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON interpreted the combined language of (18)
and (19) to mean "the goal of a constituent or corporation that
has any interest in the state of Alaska." He added, "I mean we
might as well throw the whole thing out, because we're saying
that you can basically do anything for anybody, and not only
what you do, but as long as it accomplishes their goal."
9:43:05 AM
MS. MOSS responded that that is not the intent at all. She
reiterated that the benefit for one cannot be more than for any
person in that class. She said this does not mean that a
legislator can solicit a contract for a person or corporation;
it means if something goes array with state government that
results in personal loss - that is a legislative purpose.
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said he understands the intent but is just
looking at the wording. He clarified that: the proposed
language under paragraph (19) defines "legislative purpose" as
the goal of constituent service; the proposed language under
paragraph (18) defines "constituent service" as including
representation provided by the legislature or legislative staff
to a constituent; and "constituent" has been defined as anyone
who has any interest in anything to do with the state of Alaska.
He added, "And it's their goal - not the actual service
provided." He said he interprets that to mean the goal of any
constituent.
9:44:39 AM
MS. MOSS replied that the goal of any one constituent is not the
goal of a class of people. She said she thinks what
Representative Seaton is describing is an independent goal of a
person versus the goal that could be shared by a class of
people.
9:45:02 AM
MS. ANDERSON concurred with Representative Seaton's remark that
"it's a goal of constituent service." She suggested that the
proposed language could be changed to: "legislative purpose
means a goal of legislative action or providing constituent
service," because constituent service is not really a goal, but
something to be provided.
9:45:44 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said he thinks the wording needs to be
clarified.
MS. ANDERSON concurred.
9:46:07 AM
MS. MOSS cited the definition of legislative action, which read
as follows:
a conduct related to the development, drafting,
consideration, sponsorship, enactment or defeat,
support or opposition to or of a law, amendment,
resolution, report, nomination, or other matter
affected by legislative action or inaction.
9:47:12 AM
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked for clarification of Ms. Anderson's
latest recommendation.
MS. ANDERSON said she recommends changing the language in
paragraph (19), on page 7, lines 29-30 [text provided
previously], to read as follows:
(19) "legislative purpose" means a goal of a
legislative action or providing constituent service;
MS. ANDERSON said she agrees with Representative Seaton that
instead of saying legislative purpose is a goal of a constituent
service, the language should convey that legislative action is a
goal of legislative action or constituent service, which would
clarify that legislative purpose includes constituent service,
which has not occurred in statute before.
MS. MOSS said that makes sense.
The committee took an at-ease from 9:48:13 AM to 9:50:19 AM.
9:50:24 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG recommended that a subcommittee be
formed to address HB 193.
CHAIR LYNN concurred.
9:51:05 AM
CHAIR LYNN appointed Vice Chair Seaton, Representative
Gruenberg, and Representative Johnson to a subcommittee.
9:52:23 AM
MS. MOSS returned to the sectional analysis of HB 193. She
directed attention to Section 1 of Version S, [which would amend
AS 24.60.030(i)]. Ms. Moss reviewed that once a constituent has
filed an official appeal and has asked for an administrative
hearing, the legislator and legislative staff back away from the
issue. The proposed change to that rule would be "unless the
legislator or legislative employee is representing another
person in the case for compensation and subject to AS
24.60.100".
9:53:22 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG remarked that it is possible that
somebody could be providing representation, for example, for an
accountant. He told Ms. Moss he thinks the language is great.
9:54:03 AM
MS. MOSS moved on to Section 2 of Version S, [which would amend
AS 24.60.080(a)]. Ms. Moss noted that Section 2 addresses
gifts. She said the proposed change would be in regard to
charitable events and tickets. She indicated that [the Ethics
Committee] would like to allow the gift of a ticket for a
charitable event, but with a limit on that gift of $250.
MS. MOSS addressed Section 3 of Version S, [which would amend AS
24.60.080(c)]. She said the proposed change is on page 5,
[lines 3-5], and would allow a legislator or legislative
employee to accept a ticket to a charity event worth over $250
from a person who is not a lobbyist, an immediate family member
of a lobbyist, or acting on behalf of lobbyist. Section 4, she
explained would [amend AS 24.60.080(d)] to require the
legislator or legislative employee who receives the ticket to
the charity event worth over $250 to disclose the receipt of
that gift.
MS. MOSS said Section 5 would [amend AS 24.60.105] by adding
language that would clarify that if a disclosure is against any
law - federal or state - then that disclosure would not have to
happen.
MS. ANDERSON offered an example.
9:55:44 AM
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said he strongly supports that
language, because it would protect the right to privacy for
people involved in family law.
9:56:03 AM
MS. MOSS, in response to a question from Representative Wilson
regarding the proposed change in Section 3, clarified that any
ticket received to a charity event that was valued under $250
would not have to be reported.
MS. MOSS continued to Section 6, which she said would [amend AS
24.60.130(f) by implementing a $150 a day compensation for
public members of the Select Committee on Legislative Ethics
while they are in meetings.
MS. ANDERSON, in response to a question from Representative
Seaton, regarding Section 5, explained that a person refraining
from making a disclosure because doing so would violate the
United State Constitution, the Constitution of the State of
Alaska, or other state or federal law, would give the Ethics
Committee, in writing, the reason he/she will not make the
disclosure. The committee would "look for the law" to determine
that the issue is confidential by some other statute.
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked Ms. Anderson to provide the House
State Affairs Standing Committee with list of known
confidentialities, such as real estate disclosures, so that the
committee knows the parameters.
9:58:29 AM
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON offered his understanding that the
Constitution of the State of Alaska guarantees everyone the
right to privacy; therefore, he asked if that would mean a
person could choose to hold private anything he/she wished.
MS. MOSS said she would have to ask Legislative Legal and
Research Services for the answer to that question, but said her
intuition is that the answer is no. She said information that
is by law confidential would remain confidential.
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON said a person's salary is not made
confidential by law, but rather is confidential through the
policy of a company. However, he said he thinks that would be
covered under the Constitution of the State of Alaska as a
privacy issue.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG proffered that there are a series of
cases on that issue, and the supreme court, in at least three
cases, has "delineated the contours of disclosure in these
circumstances." He added, "It's not just your salary's
confidential; they haven't gone that far."
9:59:45 AM
MS. MOSS concluded the sectional analysis, by discussing Section
7, [which would amend AS 24.60.130(n)]. She noted that Section
7 proposes that an alternate public member be allowed on the
Ethics Committee. Furthermore, it would provide that if an
alternate were to start a proceeding, he/she would finish the
proceeding.
10:00:26 AM
CHAIR LYNN appointed Representative Seaton as chair of the
subcommittee.
10:01:06 AM
TERRY L. THURBON, Chief Administrative Law Judge, Office of
Administrative Hearings, Department of Administration, stated
that her comments are entirely confined to Section 1 of the
bill. She said the goal of the bill, to make a brighter line to
limit inappropriate contacts, is laudable. However, the way the
bill and committee substitute were originally drafted does not
preserve two important things: one, the ability of a legislator
or legislative employee to participate in an administrative
adjudication as a party or a witness without running afoul of
the ethics laws; and, two, the solution to inadvertent ex parte
contacts, which is in the subparagraph to the original
provision, which was put into law initially when the Office of
Administrative Hearing was created in 2004.
JUDGE THURBON said she has discussed concerns with
Representative Seaton and Ms. Moss at much greater length than
with Ms. Anderson, and she offered her understanding that there
may be an amendment forthcoming, perhaps during the bill's
hearing before the House Judiciary Standing Committee or perhaps
as a result of the meeting of the newly appointed subcommittee.
CHAIR LYNN suggested the issues brought forth by Judge Thurbon
could be addressed in the subcommittee.
[REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG] acknowledged yes.
JUDGE THURBON stated, "With that in mind, I don't think I need
to add anything else."
[HB 193 was held over, with the objection to the proposed
committee substitute (CS), Version 26-LS0656\S, Wayne, 3/23/09,
left pending.]
10:02:50 AM
CHAIR LYNN discussed the upcoming calendar.
10:03:27 AM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON indicated he would be announcing a
subcommittee meeting time.
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG requested that the announcement be made
on the House floor.
10:04:22 AM
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the committee, the House
State Affairs Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 10:04
a.m.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| 01 3-12-09 Blank CS for HB 73 Version E.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 01 HB0123A.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 123 |
| 02 3-20-09 CS HB 73 Sponsor Statement Version E Fire.doc |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 03 Fiscal for Firefighter CSHB073-DOA-DMV-03-16-09.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 04 HB 73 Firefighter EMS Support Letter-emails.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 02 HB 123 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 123 |
| 03 HB123-DHSS-BHA-03-23-09.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 123 |
| 04 HB123-DHSS-SSPC-03-23-09.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 123 |
| 05 HB 123 Statewide Suicide Prevention Council.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 123 |
| 01 HB0193A.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 193 |
| 02 HB 193 Bill Packet.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 193 |
| 03 HB93-LEG-ETH-03-23-09.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 93 |
| 05 Add'l support HB 73.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| 06 Support Letter AARP HB 123.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 123 |
| 06 Add'l support HB 73.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |
| CS for HB 73 STA Version S.pdf |
HSTA 3/24/2009 8:00:00 AM |
HB 73 |