Legislature(2019 - 2020)DAVIS 106

02/20/2020 08:00 AM STATE AFFAIRS

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08:04:29 AM Start
08:06:13 AM Presentation: Real Id Implementation
10:01:34 AM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
           HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON TRIBAL AFFAIRS                                                                          
             HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                       February 20, 2020                                                                                        
                           8:04 a.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON TRIBAL AFFAIRS                                                                                       
 Representative Tiffany Zulkosky, Chair                                                                                         
 Representative John Lincoln                                                                                                    
 Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                      
 Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                       
 Representative Dave Talerico                                                                                                   
 Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                     
HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                          
 Representative Zack Fields, Co-Chair                                                                                           
 Representative Grier Hopkins                                                                                                   
 Representative Andi Story                                                                                                      
 Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                  
 Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                     
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON TRIBAL AFFAIRS                                                                                       
 Representative Bryce Edgmon, Vice Chair                                                                                        
HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                          
 Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins, Co-Chair                                                                               
 Representative Laddie Shaw                                                                                                     
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
PRESENTATION: REAL ID IMPLEMENTATION                                                                                            
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
JACOLINE BERGSTROM, Executive Director                                                                                          
Health Services                                                                                                                 
Tanana Chiefs Conference                                                                                                        
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided information during  a presentation                                                             
on REAL ID implementation.                                                                                                      
CHARLIE   NELSON,  Vice   President/Tribal  Government   Services                                                               
Maniilaq Association                                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided information during  a presentation                                                             
on REAL ID implementation.                                                                                                      
MELANIE BAHNKE, President                                                                                                       
Kawerak Non-Profit                                                                                                              
Nome, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided  information and answered questions                                                             
during a presentation on REAL ID implementation.                                                                                
RICHARD PETERSON, President                                                                                                     
Central Council of Tlingit and Haida                                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided  information and answered questions                                                             
during a presentation on REAL ID implementation.                                                                                
JENNA WAMSGANZ, Deputy Director                                                                                                 
Division of Motor Vehicles                                                                                                      
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Offered a  PowerPoint presentation  on REAL                                                             
ID implementation.                                                                                                              
KELLY TSHIBAKA, Commissioner                                                                                                    
Alaska Department of Administration                                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during a presentation on                                                             
REAL ID implementation.                                                                                                         
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
8:04:29 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TIFFANY ZULKOSKY  called the  joint meeting  of the  House                                                             
Special Committee on  Tribal Affairs and the  House State Affairs                                                               
Standing Committee to order at 8:04  a.m.  From the House Special                                                               
Committee  on   Tribal  Affairs,  Representatives   Ortiz,  Kopp,                                                               
Talerico, Vance, and Zulkosky were  present at the call to order.                                                               
Representative Lincoln  arrived as  the meeting was  in progress.                                                               
From the House State  Affairs Standing Committee, Representatives                                                               
Hopkins, Thompson, and Fields were  present at the call to order.                                                               
Representative Story arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                    
^PRESENTATION: REAL ID IMPLEMENTATION                                                                                           
              PRESENTATION: REAL ID IMPLEMENTATION                                                                          
8:06:13 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  opened public testimony  on the topic of  REAL ID                                                               
8:06:48 AM                                                                                                                    
JACOLINE BERGSTROM,  Executive Director, Health  Services, Tanana                                                               
Chiefs  Conference, let  the committee  know  that Tanana  Chiefs                                                               
Conference [TCC]  is a tribal  health consortium of  37 federally                                                               
recognized tribes serving  39 villages in the  Interior of Alaska                                                               
which are  spread out over  about 235,000  square miles.   Only a                                                               
handful of TCC communities are  connected to the road system, and                                                               
are only accessible by boat or  plane, Ms. Bergstrom stated.  She                                                               
added  that for  the majority  of rural  communities, TCC,  which                                                               
serves 17,000 people and is a  member of the Alaska Tribal Health                                                               
System (ATHS), is the only health care provider.                                                                                
MS.  BERGSTROM said  that  while TCC  delivers  many services  in                                                               
person  and through  telemedicine whenever  possible, it  happens                                                               
routinely  that patients  are  required to  fly  from their  home                                                               
communities to a  larger city for specialty care  services.  When                                                               
a  patient  who has  had  to  use  Medevac Alaska  Air  Ambulance                                                               
("Medevac")  in the  event of  a life-threatening  emergency gets                                                               
better, he or she then has to  take a regular flight home.  These                                                               
air travel scenarios  [will require after October  1, 2020,] that                                                               
patients have a  compliant REAL ID.  Currently TCC  has been able                                                               
to  facilitate  travel  for Alaska  Native  and  American  Indian                                                               
beneficiaries  as  part  of  Senate  Bill  74,  Medicaid  Reforms                                                               
[passed  during  the   Twenty-ninth  Alaska  State  Legislature].                                                               
However, Ms.  Bergstrom imparted, beginning October  1, travelers                                                               
may not  be able to receive  medical care or return  home without                                                               
8:10:35 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. BERGSTROM  shared with the  committee some of  the challenges                                                               
faced  by  tribal members  and  others  in rural  communities  in                                                               
trying to  obtain a REAL ID.   She admitted that  the Division of                                                               
Motor  Vehicles (DMV)  has a  long list  of documents  that could                                                               
qualify  when one  applies  for a  REAL ID,  but  in some  cases,                                                               
elders   in  rural   communities  were   never  issued   a  birth                                                               
certificate and may not have  baptismal records.  Challenges also                                                               
abound, she  stated, when people  have changed their name  due to                                                               
marriage or  to divorce  and do  not have  the correct  papers in                                                               
order.   Ms. Bergstrom  added that  the required  documents often                                                               
show  a residential  address, but  in rural  communities off  the                                                               
road  system  there are  no  street  names  and people  get  mail                                                               
delivered  to  a  Post  Office   Box  or  via  general  delivery.                                                               
Furthermore, some people cannot  show utility bills because there                                                               
are no water  or sanitation hookups to individual  homes, and, in                                                               
some cases  having built  their own  homes, folks  do not  have a                                                               
mortgage  or homeowner's  insurance that  is tied  to a  physical                                                               
MS.  BERGSTROM communicated  that though  these issues  have been                                                               
presented,  there  have not  yet  been  reasonable solutions  put                                                               
forth by  the DMV.  She  related also that there  have been mixed                                                               
reports from  folks traveling  with the  tribal IDs  [a federally                                                               
recognized form  of identification  which can substitute  for the                                                               
REAL ID].   Sometimes the U.S.  Transport Security Administration                                                               
(TSA) will  accept a  tribal ID  and sometimes  it will  not, she                                                               
explained:   some  tribal  IDs  do not  contain  a  photo of  the                                                               
passenger  and  therefore  will  not   be  accepted  as  a  valid                                                               
substitution  for a  state-issued REAL  ID.   Some tribes  do not                                                               
want to take  on the expense of getting tribal  IDs issued before                                                               
they know whether  those IDs will be accepted  or whether getting                                                               
them would be a waste of resources, Ms. Bergstrom added.                                                                        
8:14:15 AM                                                                                                                    
CHARLIE   NELSON,  Vice   President/Tribal  Government   Services                                                               
Administrator, Maniilaq Association,  informed the committee that                                                               
Maniilaq  Association   ("Maniilaq")  is  a   regional  nonprofit                                                               
association  providing health,  social,  and  tribal services  to                                                               
residents in the  Northwest Arctic Borough.  Similar  to TCC, Mr.                                                               
Nelson  continued, Maniilaq  serves about  8,000 tribal  and non-                                                               
tribal citizens between its clinics and hospital.                                                                               
MR. NELSON  informed the committee  that, in anticipation  of the                                                               
REAL  ID  deadline  coming  up,   proactive  steps  in  promoting                                                               
education have been taken.   Community members have been informed                                                               
that the  earlier they are  able to get  the REAL ID,  the better                                                               
off  they will  be,  but  he admitted  this  stance  is also  not                                                               
without its problems.  He  echoed Ms. Bergstrom when he mentioned                                                               
that some residents  do not have access to the  DMV; there is one                                                               
DMV in  Kotzebue, Alaska, a  shared position between the  DMV and                                                               
the  administrative assistant  for the  state trooper,  open just                                                               
four hours  a day.  Of  course, Mr. Nelson added,  there are also                                                               
times [DMV  personnel at the  Kotzebue location] cannot  work for                                                               
personal  or  for  business reasons,  leaving  residents  without                                                               
regular access and  thus making applying for a  compliant REAL ID                                                               
a major challenge.                                                                                                              
8:16:58 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  NELSON let  committee  members know  that [Northwest  Arctic                                                               
Borough and Point Hope] residents'  electronic profiles have been                                                               
modified so  that they  each show a  physical address,  which has                                                               
been accepted in lieu of a  utility bill, the latter usually only                                                               
providing one  household member's name  and thus not  helping the                                                               
other generations  oftentimes living  under the  same roof.   Mr.                                                               
Nelson aligned himself with TCC in  terms of the expansion of the                                                               
number of tribal members on  Medicaid; some of the challenges [in                                                               
obtaining a  REAL ID] therein,  however, including the  timing of                                                               
appointments, flight schedules, and,  again, truncated DMV hours.                                                               
He mentioned  that it may  be helpful  for the committee  to work                                                               
with the Department of Health  and Social Services (DHSS) to help                                                               
loosen some  of the requirements,  even if  it is on  a temporary                                                               
basis, so that those trying to obtain  a REAL ID are not bound by                                                               
strict  Medicaid  rules  which   stipulate  those  traveling  for                                                               
medical  must  leave  on  the   next  possible  flight  after  an                                                               
appointment, as  the DMV  isn't open long  enough even  for those                                                               
who are trying hard to get REAL IDs.                                                                                            
MR.  NELSON told  the committee  that Maniilaq  has been  able to                                                               
provide  financial  assistance to  three  tribes  in the  service                                                               
area, and  two other  tribes had to  purchase equipment  to issue                                                               
tribal ID cards with pictures.   These [tribal IDs] have been met                                                               
with a moderate level of  success between Kotzebue and Anchorage,                                                               
he added, but  when the tribal IDs have been  used other places a                                                               
disruption in  verifying the IDs' REAL  ID-compliance has ensued.                                                               
Mr. Nelson  let the committee  know that Maniilaq has  since made                                                               
for TSA a list of all  federally recognized tribes in the region,                                                               
but that  he hasn't heard  reports of the list's  success outside                                                               
of Kotzebue.                                                                                                                    
8:22:26 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked  Mr. Nelson whether he could  verify that it                                                               
is  true  that  while  some  tribal  IDs  with  photos  from  the                                                               
Northwest Arctic Borough region have  been accepted by TSA, there                                                               
have  also  been some  instances  in  which  they have  not  been                                                               
accepted, and  also that there  is some anxiety  and apprehension                                                               
about acceptance  of the tribal ID  beyond the region as  well as                                                               
outside of  Alaska, where  TSA agents may  be more  familiar with                                                               
what a tribal ID from the region would look like.                                                                               
8:23:04 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. NELSON agreed with Representative  Zulkosky's summation.                                                                    
8:23:19 AM                                                                                                                    
MELANIE  BAHNKE,   President,  Kawerak   Non-Profit  ("Kewarak"),                                                               
informed the committee  of what has been happening  in the Bering                                                               
Strait  Region, which  includes  the hub  community  of Nome  and                                                               
fifteen outlying  villages, only one  of which is  accessible via                                                               
Nome, to  ensure federal REAL  ID compliance.  The  Bering Strait                                                               
Region does not  have a local DMV, she imparted,  and flights via                                                               
contractor  are about  $400-$600.   Because the  contractors only                                                               
fly in the  afternoons, travelers would most likely  need to book                                                               
a  hotel  as  well as  provide  for  meals,  she  added.   If  no                                                               
relatives were  in town to  assist the travelers, the  trip would                                                               
likely cost  $600-$800.   Ms. Bahnke  let committee  members know                                                               
that the  Bering Strait region  had been  working on the  REAL ID                                                               
"issue" for  several years, and  that she does believe  the state                                                               
and tribes  are partners on  the unfunded mandate  endeavor which                                                               
faces them both.                                                                                                                
8:25:20 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. BAHNKE  told the  committee that at  least $200,000  has been                                                               
spent  thus far  in  ensuring the  REAL  ID-issuing machines  and                                                               
systems were  up to date.   She suggested the state  make the DMV                                                               
link more  prominent on its own  homepage or, better, make  it so                                                               
those wishing to obtain a REAL  ID could begin the process online                                                               
as is being done in California  and Virginia.  Outreach, having a                                                               
1-800 number, and  appropriating funding so that  villages have a                                                               
technician  fly  to  the  community were  all  ideas  Ms.  Bahnke                                                               
suggested to the state to ensure REAL IDs are obtained.                                                                         
8:29:43 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  FIELDS asked  Ms. Bahnke  if he  was correct  to assume                                                               
that folks having  to be transported via Medevac  from the Bering                                                               
Strait Region to Anchorage and Seattle were in the minority.                                                                    
8:30:24 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. BAHNKE said  that she wasn't sure but with  two flights daily                                                               
probably everyone's reasons were not medical.                                                                                   
8:30:33 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS asked  whether there was a  significant number of                                                               
people  traveling  on  a  commercial jet  to  Anchorage  to  seek                                                               
medical care.                                                                                                                   
8:30:35 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. BAHNKE said that there were.                                                                                                
8:30:57 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  asked which states  made it easier for  people to                                                               
preload  information  to their  DMV  systems  in their  quest  to                                                               
obtain a REAL ID.                                                                                                               
8:31:15 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. BAHNKE  replied that in  California and Virginia it  was very                                                               
easy  to submit  the majority  of one's  information online,  and                                                               
that it wouldn't be difficult for  Alaskans to figure out as most                                                               
Alaskans file for their permanent fund dividend (PFD) online.                                                                   
8:32:12 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked whether Nome had a DMV.                                                                                    
8:32:18 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. BAHNKE replied that Nome does not  have a DMV, but there is a                                                               
private contractor available Monday  through Friday, 1 p.m. until                                                               
5  p.m.   A  Kewarak  employee  sent  randomly  to check  on  the                                                               
situation, Ms. Bahnke  related, was given an  estimated wait time                                                               
of 300 minutes.                                                                                                                 
8:33:09 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  mentioned that the  legislature has  been hearing                                                               
about a  lot of alternative  options to  both the tribal  IDs and                                                               
the REAL IDs,  and asked Ms. Bahnke to talk  about the process of                                                               
applying for a passport in the Bering Strait Region.                                                                            
8:33:41 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  BAHNKE  replied  that  the  villages  have  zero  access  to                                                               
passport  photography, so  folks would  have to  fly to  Nome and                                                               
then send original documents to Seattle.                                                                                        
8:34:48 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP added  that if the state  had been partnering                                                               
with  tribes,  there  would  not have  been  such  a  significant                                                               
opportunity cost.   Tribal council would verify who  lived in the                                                               
village and  where and,  in many  cases, who  came in  under what                                                               
8:37:35 AM                                                                                                                    
RICHARD  PETERSON,  President,  Central Council  of  Tlingit  and                                                               
Haida ("Tlingit and Haida"), informed  the committee that Tlingit                                                               
& Haida is the largest tribe  in Alaska with over 31,000 enrolled                                                               
tribal  citizens across  the  state, nation,  and  world, only  a                                                               
handful of  whom are  connected to  the road  system.   Tlingit &                                                               
Haida  represents   over  65,000   Alaskans  from   Ketchikan  to                                                               
Kotzebue,   he   imparted,   and  represents   over   100   rural                                                               
communities,  all of  which are  provided service  by the  tribe.                                                               
Mr. Peterson stated that the REAL  ID issue is a prime example of                                                               
what the tribe's top coalition  priorities - regional equity, and                                                               
budgeting - look like in practice.                                                                                              
MR. PETERSON  informed the committee  that state  services should                                                               
be  available to  residents of  Alaska regardless  of where  they                                                               
reside.   Tlingit &  Haida took  steps to issue  top of  the line                                                               
tribal IDs  for its  citizens, and there  are still  reports that                                                               
TSA  won't accept  them.   Tlingit  & Haida's  IDs are  federally                                                               
compliant and  meet the REAL  ID requirement, and  yet oftentimes                                                               
it comes  down to the  training that  the TSA employees  have, he                                                               
8:40:50 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PETERSON let  the committee  know that  an elder's  original                                                               
marriage  license of  fifty years  was not  accepted [in  REAL ID                                                               
application] because, although  it had a number, it  did not have                                                               
the  Washington State  seal, so  the elder  had been  required to                                                               
send a  registered copy  via United  Parcel Service,  which costs                                                               
$57.    Applying  for  the  REAL  ID  is  $40,  so  it  cost  $97                                                               
altogether.  Mr. Peterson echoed  other testifiers' remarks about                                                               
difficulties of applying  for REAL IDs without  proof of physical                                                               
address, as  well as those  who have  changed their names  due to                                                               
marriage or  divorce, and  gave some  specific examples  of these                                                               
cases of  which he was  aware.  Last, he  added, when there  is a                                                               
situation where someone  needs to use Medevac, it  is common that                                                               
no  one  thinks  to  collect  the  correct  documentation  before                                                               
boarding the helicopter, leaving  the patient potentially without                                                               
a way home after an already arduous journey.                                                                                    
MR. PETERSON  added that it  was good to see  the DMV in  the Ted                                                               
Stevens International  airport in  Anchorage, and  that Fairbanks                                                               
and Juneau  could probably benefit  from a DMV presence  in their                                                               
airports as  well.  He  suggested also that the  state coordinate                                                               
with  Census  takers  already in  rural  communities,  who  would                                                               
perhaps  be able  to  verify  folks' identity  when  there is  no                                                               
street address or birth certificate available.                                                                                  
8:45:38 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  asked Mr. Peterson whether  Tlingit & Haida                                                               
had  reached  out  to  TSA   with  regard  to  the  latter's  not                                                               
recognizing the tribal IDs.                                                                                                     
8:46:00 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PETERSON replied  that Tlingit  & Haida  had reached  out to                                                               
TSA,  and that  they had  also reached  out to  the Congressional                                                               
delegation,  but the  problem  is that  new  hires working  "off-                                                               
hours" were not "up to speed."                                                                                                  
8:46:34 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  mentioned  that   [tribal  IDs  not  being                                                               
accepted by TSA]  highlighted the tribes' lack  of recognition in                                                               
general,  and  that  it  seemed unfortunate  that  this  lack  of                                                               
recognition  was  perpetuated in  something  as  simple as  going                                                               
through the airport and using identification.                                                                                   
8:47:57 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS asked  Mr.  Peterson  what percentage  of                                                               
Tlingit  & Haida  members have  tribal  IDs and  to describe  the                                                               
process of getting one.                                                                                                         
8:48:31 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. PETERSON  replied that  probably 30-40  percent of  Tlingit &                                                               
Haida members  have tribal  IDs and that  the tribe  is expending                                                               
great effort trying  to get enrollment staff to  communities.  To                                                               
obtain an  ID, he  continued, members  must supply  a certificate                                                               
that they have Indian blood from the Bureau of Indian Affairs.                                                                  
8:50:17 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS asked  Mr. Peterson whether he  thought the state                                                               
had a responsibility  to make REAL ID sign-up  available in rural                                                               
communities, whether through the DMV or tribal partnership.                                                                     
8:50:25 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PETERSON  answered  yes,  absolutely,   and  that  his  [Mr.                                                               
Peterson's] presence at  the hearing was indicative  of the state                                                               
having come  up with another "cookie-cutter  process" that didn't                                                               
work for everybody.  He imparted  that there are folks in Tlingit                                                               
& Haida communities  who don't leave the  community itself, which                                                               
would be  fine, except sometimes they  have to, and they  are out                                                               
in the "big  bad world ... stuck."   Federal requirements require                                                               
federal funding, he added.                                                                                                      
8:51:33 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked  Mr. Peterson to speak to the  total cost to                                                               
the tribe  in obtaining the  software, infrastructure,  and staff                                                               
to supply its members with REAL IDs.                                                                                            
8:52:03 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. PETERSON said that he couldn't  give an exact number but that                                                               
he would estimate around $150,000.                                                                                              
8:52:35 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked  Mr. Peterson to speak to  the difference in                                                               
capacity for  Tlingit & Haida's  ability to provide  resources in                                                               
comparison with tribes in other parts of Alaska.                                                                                
8:53:01 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PETERSON replied  that some  tribes have  been eligible  for                                                               
grants  and  that they  get  money  for  citizens for  whom  they                                                               
provide services, called the "service  area."  The tribe does not                                                               
get  any  money  for  citizens   outside  the  service  area,  he                                                               
explained,  but uses  its  own  funds so  serve  them.   So,  the                                                               
resources  look quite  a  bit  different when  it  is taken  into                                                               
consideration the  numbers of  members in  a particular  area, he                                                               
8:54:55 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY said  that the legislature has been  told that the                                                               
DMV is awaiting requests from tribes  in order to go out into the                                                               
communities  and provide  REAL ID-compliant  services, and  asked                                                               
Mr.  Peterson whether  this  has  been the  case  with Tlingit  &                                                               
8:55:23 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  PETERSON  answered that  the  DMV  had  not reached  out  to                                                               
Tlingit  & Haida  but that  he had  heard it  had reached  out to                                                               
other  tribes  and  requested  the  IDs be  at  the  tribes'  own                                                               
8:55:51 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE STORY commented that she  would like to think that                                                               
the state  were closer to  making things easier for  everyone and                                                               
that she felt encouraged to hear the solutions brought forward.                                                                 
8:57:27 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked  Mr. Peterson whether he  had heard anything                                                               
about  tribal IDs  being  accepted at  military  bases after  the                                                               
October deadline.                                                                                                               
8:57:51 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. PETERSON  replied that he  has not  heard that they  will not                                                               
8:58:25 AM                                                                                                                    
JENNA  WAMSGANZ, Deputy  Director,  Division  of Motor  Vehicles,                                                               
Department of Administration, began  a PowerPoint presentation on                                                               
REAL ID  implementation and ongoing  compliance by  informing the                                                               
committee  that REAL  ID  was enacted  after  the [the  terrorist                                                               
attacks of  September 11,  2001].   The federal  government would                                                               
set standards  for identification such as  driver's licenses, and                                                               
residents would need to provide  documentation in person to prove                                                               
identity  and   lawful  status,   social  security   number,  and                                                               
principal residency, she put forth.   State-issued ID cards would                                                               
be accepted  only if  those cards come  from a  REAL ID-compliant                                                               
state, she added.                                                                                                               
9:01:03 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked  Ms. Wamsganz, referencing slide  3, to talk                                                               
about what  it meant to  achieve Department of  Homeland Security                                                               
(DHS) compliance in 2019.                                                                                                       
9:01:15 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ replied  that the process to  achieve compliance was                                                               
"a  little bit  backwards" as  REAL  IDs were  issued before  DHS                                                               
would evaluate the  program and determine whether a  state was in                                                               
compliance with the REAL ID Act [passed by Congress in 2005].                                                                   
9:01:30 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  asked whether there  was a more specific  date or                                                               
time frame within 2019 that Alaska received its compliance.                                                                     
9:01:28 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  replied that REAL  IDs were issued in  January 2019                                                               
and  compliance was  issued in  April  2019.   Ms. Wamsganz  then                                                               
informed the  committee that that  REAL ID  requirements included                                                               
an  applicant's   understanding  of  the  options   for  drivers'                                                               
licenses at the time of issuance,  as well as an understanding of                                                               
the  type  of  driver's  license  the  applicant  was  selecting.                                                               
Furthermore, she  imparted that  it was required  that a  REAL ID                                                               
applicant  must  clearly  request  a driver's  license  that  was                                                               
federally compliant  in order  to obtain  a REAL  ID, and  that a                                                               
state  or a  municipal government  may  not require  a person  to                                                               
possess or  use a  driver's license  that is  federally compliant                                                               
[slide 4].                                                                                                                      
9:02:51 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  asked Ms.  Wamsganz why the  applicant must                                                               
choose between a  regular driver's license and a REAL  ID and why                                                               
it was highlighted that the person must understand the options.                                                                 
9:03:13 AM                                                                                                                    
KELLY    TSHIBAKA,    Commissioner,    Alaska    Department    of                                                               
Administration, replied  that the biometric  identification being                                                               
captured for the  REAL ID was used to compare  facial features of                                                               
Alaskans  against  data that  is  captured  in federal  databases                                                               
across the  country.  She  added that REAL IDs  are intentionally                                                               
being used  for data  gathering against  U.S. citizens,  so since                                                               
citizens are  turning over  a significant amount  of data  to the                                                               
federal government and this was  an invasion of privacy, citizens                                                               
needed to understand what they were doing.                                                                                      
9:04:55 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  asked whether the applicant  was provided a                                                               
list of options by the DMV,  which would clarify what the options                                                               
9:05:29 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WAMSGANZ said  that it  was clear  on the  form whether  the                                                               
person was choosing  a federally compliant ID  or a non-compliant                                                               
ID.  She said  the DMV has also started passing out  a list of 30                                                               
other federally compliant acceptable  forms of identification for                                                               
TSA [slide 5].                                                                                                                  
9:06:12 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  highlighted  that  REAL IDs  only  do  what                                                               
passports  already  do,  albeit  on a  state  basis.    Traveling                                                               
internationally has required this  level of security for decades,                                                               
he added.                                                                                                                       
9:07:02 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WAMSGANZ responded  that  350,000  Alaskans have  passports;                                                               
65,000 have military IDs; and 67,000 have veteran IDs.                                                                          
9:07:49 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  asked Ms. Wamsganz  the extent to which  the DMV                                                               
was aware that TSA's recognition of tribal IDs was uneven.                                                                      
9:08:06 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WAMSGANZ  replied that  the  DMV  had  been assured  by  TSA                                                               
officials that tribal IDs with  a photo are "absolutely accepted"                                                               
at TSA  checkpoints across the  nation.   She added that  TSA has                                                               
committed to increasing agents' training "as much as they can."                                                                 
9:09:18 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY asked  whether the  DMV had  sent information  to                                                               
tribes across  Alaska informing  them what they  needed to  do to                                                               
meet TSA's requirements.                                                                                                        
9:09:55 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ replied that the  only parameters TSA had been given                                                               
are that the  tribe is federally recognized and that  the ID card                                                               
contains a photo.                                                                                                               
9:10:10 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY  said that  it  can  be  a little  bit  confusing                                                               
accessing  the  DMV's  information  because it  states  there  is                                                               
additional criteria  tribal IDs  must meet.   She asked  again if                                                               
that criteria had been communicated to tribes by the DMV.                                                                       
9:10:33 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  answered that when  the DMV has  conversations with                                                               
the tribes,  the same  information [that  Ms. Wamsganz  shared to                                                               
the committee]  is shared,  but the  DMV must  be careful  not to                                                               
speak  on  behalf  of  TSA.    Since the  DMV  is  not  TSA,  she                                                               
continued,  it would  not be  appropriate to  distribute official                                                               
correspondence across Alaska on behalf of TSA.                                                                                  
9:10:58 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY said that it was  a little concerning that the DMV                                                               
didn't take on a communication  responsibility to help share what                                                               
the standards are.  She added  that if the information were being                                                               
shared with a group of legislators,  then it could also be shared                                                               
via  a "Dear  Tribal Leader"  letter  so people  would know  what                                                               
opportunities there  were to  meet other  standards, specifically                                                               
if the DMV  is relying on tribal IDs as  an alternative option to                                                               
REAL IDs.                                                                                                                       
9:11:29 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ said  that the DMV did have the  information as well                                                               
as a  link to TSA's website  on its website, and  that "if anyone                                                               
asks," the DMV does offer the information.                                                                                      
9:11:48 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY  said  that  it may  be  more  appropriate,  when                                                               
looking  at an  October  1, 2020,  deadline, for  the  DMV to  be                                                               
proactive in  sharing information, rather than  reactive, so that                                                               
Alaskans are not  stranded at an airport or trying  to get into a                                                               
federal  facility, and  tribes do  not  have to  go through  [the                                                               
experience of being turned away by TSA].                                                                                        
9:12:24 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  TSHIBAKA said  that  she  thought Representative  Zulkosky's                                                               
idea [about the "Dear Tribal  Leader" letter] was "very creative"                                                               
and the DMV would deliberate about it.                                                                                          
9:12:50 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY said  that  oftentimes  federal departments  send                                                               
letters to  notify tribes that  regulations are  being considered                                                               
or that changes are going to be made.                                                                                           
9:13:22 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  informed the committee  that in 2019  Alaska issued                                                               
almost  100,000 REAL  IDs; through  February 15th,  2020, 115,000                                                               
REAL  IDs had  been issued  total.   She referred  to a  chart on                                                               
slide 6 of  her presentation to show how many  REAL IDs have been                                                               
issued in each individual month in  2019 and the first two months                                                               
of  2020.   A red  line signified  a REAL  ID "take  rate," which                                                               
showed  the number  of folks  who had  a REAL  ID credential  [as                                                               
opposed to leaving the DMV with the  card in hand].  She told the                                                               
committee it was  important to recognize the demand  for REAL IDs                                                               
is  down   in  Alaska  because   of  the   alternative  federally                                                               
recognized identifications discussed.                                                                                           
9:14:24 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  asked Ms. Wamsganz whether  the information                                                               
was broken  down by  region and  place due  to the  difficulty in                                                               
rural areas of obtaining REAL IDs.                                                                                              
9:14:56 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ said  the DMV did have that data  and that she would                                                               
touch on it in a forthcoming slide.                                                                                             
9:15:01 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  FIELDS  asked  Ms.  Wamsganz  whether  tribes  had  the                                                               
ability to issue  federally compliant tribal IDs and,  if so, how                                                               
many had it.                                                                                                                    
9:15:14 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ responded that she  thought they were all allowed to                                                               
[issue federally compliant  tribal IDs], but she  said she didn't                                                               
know how many had the infrastructure in place.                                                                                  
9:15:28 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS asked what the  DMV's plan was for obtaining that                                                               
9:16:00 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  said that she would  go into outreach later  in her                                                               
9:16:21 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  FIELDS said  he  hoped the  DMV  was focusing  outreach                                                               
accordingly, because  in some cases  the DMV would  probably have                                                               
to travel to regions that did not  have the means to put REAL ID-                                                               
issuing infrastructure in place.                                                                                                
9:17:03 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  said the  DMV had a  multi-layered plan  focused on                                                               
reaching out  to Alaskans through  multiple platforms  to "spread                                                               
the  word about  the upcoming  [REAL ID]  enforcement date."   In                                                               
2019 a  partnership was formed  between the DMV, the  airports in                                                               
Anchorage  and Fairbanks,  and statewide  aviation, she  informed                                                               
the  committee, with  the aim  of posting  literature, conducting                                                               
press conferences,  and increasing  [the DMV's "REAL  ID"] social                                                               
media presence.  Ms. Wamsganz  directed the committee's attention                                                               
to  a picture  of  a  REAL ID-issuing  station  in the  Anchorage                                                               
airport [slides 7-8].                                                                                                           
9:17:56 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. BAHNKE,  responding to Representative Fields'  question, said                                                               
that by  April 2021, the  19 tribes  in the Bering  Strait Region                                                               
that  compact   with  Kewerak   should  have   REAL  ID-compliant                                                               
software.   Her  question, she  added, was  with regard  to TSA's                                                               
acceptance  of the  500-plus tribal  nations' IDs  throughout the                                                               
9:19:46 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  checked with  Ms. Bahnke  that her  position was                                                               
that the  state should  make a  REAL ID  available in  the Bering                                                               
Strait region just as it is in Anchorage.                                                                                       
9:19:54 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. BAHNKE said  people in the Bering Strait  region would really                                                               
appreciate the opportunity,  as it's a mutual  burden when people                                                               
are "stuck."                                                                                                                    
9:21:08 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WAMSGANZ  informed  the  committee the  DMV  is  starting  a                                                               
partnership with  Alaska Airlines to educate  [airline employees]                                                               
what cards  could be used for  travel after October 1,  2020, and                                                               
that  the  DMV believed  partnering  with  stakeholders like  the                                                               
airlines and  the airports were  "one of  the best ways"  the DMV                                                               
could  contribute to  Alaskans' preparation  for TSA's  federally                                                               
mandated  travel requirements.   She  said that  the partnerships                                                               
were key because  "they engaged those who were most  likely to be                                                               
traveling through  TSA checkpoints" after  October 1.   She added                                                               
that she was  happy to report that TSA was  also "ramping up" its                                                               
own outreach  efforts in terms  of social media  outreach, public                                                               
service announcements, and airport advertising.                                                                                 
MS.  WAMSGANZ told  the committee  that there  were about  47,553                                                               
Alaskans  living in  communities without  a DMV  [slide 9],  that                                                               
2,750  REAL  IDs had  been  issued  in  those communities  as  of                                                               
February  2020, and  that the  forecasted  adult Medicaid  travel                                                               
from those areas  from late February 2020  through September 2020                                                               
[before REAL  IDs are required in  October 2020] was 9,976.   The                                                               
significance  of the  forecasted Medicaid  travel was  that those                                                               
folks would  be traveling  to a  community with  a DMV  and could                                                               
potentially obtain a REAL ID at that time, she reiterated.                                                                      
9:23:47 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY said  that she  noticed  that the  slide was  not                                                               
specific in terms  of which rural communities  were assessed, and                                                               
that her  office had the number  of Alaskans without access  to a                                                               
DMV closer  to 64,000.  She  added that what was  most concerning                                                               
was the  number of Alaskans  within certain regions had  REAL IDs                                                               
issued, and that it would be  interesting to see that number in a                                                               
statewide breakdown, rather than just a breakdown by sector.                                                                    
9:25:00 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WAMSGANZ said  she would  be  happy to  provide a  statewide                                                               
9:25:04 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS said  that he would like to  express concern that                                                               
6,751 was  a "gross undercounting"  of the  need for REAL  IDs in                                                               
rural  Alaska when  it was  taken into  consideration that  there                                                               
were  approximately  200 communities  without  access  to a  DMV.                                                               
Pointing   out   another   problematic   aspect   of   slide   9,                                                               
Representative Fields added that since a  tribal ID may not be an                                                               
adequate substitute for  a REAL ID, he stated that  he would also                                                               
not  deduct Nome  area tribal  IDs from  the population  still in                                                               
need of REAL IDs.                                                                                                               
9:26:00 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  added  that  those  traveling  for  health                                                               
probably  should not  be deducted  either when  earlier testimony                                                               
regarding  limited DMV  hours was  taken into  consideration, but                                                               
that  an  encouraging  solution  would  be  partnering  with  the                                                               
federal  Medicaid   program  to  receive  a   waiver  for  travel                                                               
9:26:46 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  said that she  thought it  was a great  solution to                                                               
partner with Medicaid and that the DMV would follow up on it.                                                                   
9:27:06 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  said perhaps  DHSS could offer  a temporary                                                               
extension of travel time for  those traveling for medical reasons                                                               
so  they would  have  time to  make  it  to the  DMV  if they  so                                                               
9:27:56 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY asked  Ms.  Wamsganz, on  the  topic of  Alaskans                                                               
without consistent and/or  reliable access to the  DMV, in Bethel                                                               
and Nome, for example, what  the DMV's plans were regarding staff                                                               
being sent to those regions.                                                                                                    
9:29:10 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ replied  that the DMV would take  each community one                                                               
at a time  starting with Bethel, which had  an unexpected closure                                                               
in January due  to family emergency, followed  by scheduled leave                                                               
in February.   In summer  2020 the  DMV intended to  hire another                                                               
short-term, non-permanent employee for  the Bethel office to help                                                               
with DMV traffic,  which is "seasonal."  Ms.  Wamsganz added that                                                               
this coming summer will be a  "historic" summer for the DMV.  She                                                               
also imparted that Nome has a  commission agent open half days as                                                               
the winter is the slow time.   That agent, who is also looking to                                                               
hire  someone   for  the   "summer  rush,"   has  also   been  in                                                               
communication with  Kewerak to try to  do "some sort of  a summer                                                               
road show" to surrounding villages.                                                                                             
9:30:34 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY  said that  after  hearing  from leaders  of  the                                                               
communities it seemed like a  real opportunity lost to wait until                                                               
summer  to provide  an additional  non-permanent position  within                                                               
each DMV if  they are not consistently open now,  and there could                                                               
be more  proactive outreach into respective  subregions to answer                                                               
questions and to be able to  keep regular open office hours.  She                                                               
asked Ms. Wamsganz whether the  DMV would be opposed to providing                                                               
these positions  now rather  than waiting  until summer  when the                                                               
October 1 deadline would be much closer.                                                                                        
9:31:25 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  answered that the  DMV is not opposed  to providing                                                               
the additional  positions, but  that the  department had  not yet                                                               
seen the volume to warrant them.                                                                                                
9:31:36 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  also urged "more employees  sooner" because                                                               
their  training  is  critical.     She  added  that  perhaps  new                                                               
employees could  work on  improving the DMV  website if  there is                                                               
down time during training.                                                                                                      
9:32:10 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  asked  what  the options  were  for  rural                                                               
communities who don't have a regular road system and addresses.                                                                 
9:33:00 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  responded that  there was a  system in  place where                                                               
verified leaders could  attest in writing to  the description and                                                               
location of a resident's home.                                                                                                  
9:33:40 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  asked whether  there is anything  besides a                                                               
physical  address,  such as  the  proof  tribal members  have  to                                                               
provide  to  the  Bureau  of Indian  Affairs  that  could  verify                                                               
9:35:01 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  answered that  DHS left  it up to  the states.   In                                                               
this way, the  DMV has been able to  determine creative solutions                                                               
to problems  unique to  Alaska.  She  admitted that  gathering up                                                               
the documents and getting the REAL  ID can be challenging.  Since                                                               
the  REAL  ID requires  original,  certified  documents, in  some                                                               
cases it  makes more sense  to suggest tribal members  get tribal                                                               
IDs, which is  why that is the course the  DMV has been following                                                               
in certain instances.                                                                                                           
9:36:04 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  said  that  he  wanted  to  compliment  the                                                               
Department of Administration (DOA)  for the residency description                                                               
improvements for the PFD.  He  mentioned that it was "vastly more                                                               
9:36:30 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS  asked whether  there  was  a way  for  a                                                               
letter  to be  sent with  an individual  verifying that  person's                                                               
9:37:10 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ confirmed that the DMV will accept such letters.                                                                   
9:37:17 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  requested that information about  the DMV                                                               
accepting  letters  be  included   in  the  address  verification                                                               
literature tribes will receive.                                                                                                 
9:37:31 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WAMSGANZ said  that the  DMV is  currently working  with the                                                               
Alaska Federation  of Natives  to create  a newsletter,  and that                                                               
these types of concerns would be spelled out therein.                                                                           
9:37:48 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY   said  that  after  having   heard  overwhelming                                                               
testimony from folks  living and working in rural  Alaska and the                                                               
cost of  travel from a  village in  a particular sub-region  to a                                                               
hub city, she wished to return  to the statement about not seeing                                                               
the demand  for additional  DMV staff in  rural areas.   "Ramping                                                               
up" may be difficult during  summer with it being the subsistence                                                               
season  and  folks  being engaged  in  traditional  gathering  to                                                               
offset costs  on their family  throughout the winter  season, she                                                               
added.   Regarding  the  lack  of request  to  the community  for                                                               
additional DMVs  in certain  areas, Representative  Zulkosky said                                                               
that her  office was  starting to see  formal requests  for those                                                               
services.  She  then asked Ms. Wamsganz whether it  was the DMV's                                                               
expectation and/or  requirement that  tribes and  villages should                                                               
be submitting letters  of request to bring DMV  services to their                                                               
villages, and  if that  is indeed  the expectation,  whether that                                                               
had been communicated as such.                                                                                                  
9:39:37 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WAMSGANZ, referencing  slide  12 in  her presentation,  said                                                               
that step one  would be teaching the community  about its options                                                               
for federally compliant IDs.   After learning all of the options,                                                               
some communities would determine there  is not much need for REAL                                                               
IDs as  they would  have their  tribal IDs,  she stated.   Others                                                               
would go back and survey  their communities, she continued, which                                                               
was really  important as communities  cannot request the  DMVs to                                                               
come;  the  request must  come  from  the applicants  themselves.                                                               
After  the community  surveys are  completed, a  document checker                                                               
would  check  that  everyone  had  what they  needed  to  have  a                                                               
successful travel trip, Ms. Wamsganz informed the committee.                                                                    
9:41:09 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY checked  with Ms. Wamsganz that she  was saying it                                                               
was  the DMV's  belief that  because  there was  not a  DMV in  a                                                               
community  there must  be a  formal request  to provide  what are                                                               
otherwise basic state-funded services in other parts of Alaska.                                                                 
9:41:33 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. TSHIBAKA  said that  the DMV  was trying  to comply  with the                                                               
statute  that there  is  an  "organized way  of  making sure"  an                                                               
individual has  requested a REAL  ID and understand  that neither                                                               
their community  nor the  state were requiring  them to  obtain a                                                               
REAL ID.                                                                                                                        
9:42:06 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  said that  based on  earlier testimony  he might                                                               
request  a different  approach  in which  access  to basic  state                                                               
documents is  the default.   If there  were a community  that did                                                               
not want  such services, the DMV  could in that case  look at not                                                               
providing those services.   When there are  elections, he pointed                                                               
out, it costs more to provide  polling places, and yet it is done                                                               
because  there are  citizens  living in  those  communities.   He                                                               
added  that it  did  not  make sense  to  wait  until a  specific                                                               
request was  received when [federally  recognized identification]                                                               
is a very basic state service that should be provided.                                                                          
9:43:17 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY added  that the fact that the DMV  would go out to                                                               
a  rural community  doesn't necessarily  compel someone  to apply                                                               
for  a REAL  ID if  that person  doesn't want  one.   There is  a                                                               
difference  in expectation  of what  equitable  access could  and                                                               
should  provide  from the  DMV,  she  pointed  out.   She  echoed                                                               
testifiers  who  said  that  all  Alaskans  were  still  Alaskans                                                               
regardless of where  they lived and pointed out that  with a firm                                                               
deadline of  October 1, with  its real implications  for movement                                                               
of Alaskans, the expectation needed to be revised.                                                                              
9:44:15 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  added that one  of the  reasons DOA is  in a                                                               
"no-man's land" with regard to REAL  ID is because in 2018 it was                                                               
optional, meaning it was not meant  to make people feel as though                                                               
it  were  their  only  option.    Now,  as  it  has  evolved,  he                                                               
continued,  it  has  become  apparent how  many  people  need  to                                                               
travel, it has  become mandatory, especially in  certain areas of                                                               
the state, but it didn't start out that way.                                                                                    
9:46:45 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE admitted  that REAL  ID is  still optional,                                                               
but that one of the  larger concerns was Alaska residents getting                                                               
stuck  because  they lacked  proper  identification.   She  asked                                                               
whether  there were  a  "temporary turnaround"  to  REAL ID  that                                                               
could help  in an  emergency situation, and  whether it  would be                                                               
helpful  to the  DMV for  the committee  to try  to come  up with                                                               
9:48:18 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  TSHIBAKA  said  that  the  DMV  was  in  active  discussions                                                               
regarding an expansion location  in Southwest Alaska targeting 20                                                               
communities  [slide 10].    She then  directed  the committee  to                                                               
slide 15,  which showed  that there were  DMV locations  in "hub"                                                               
[TSA  screening   checkpoint]  cities.    Obtaining   a  REAL  ID                                                               
currently takes  two days; Ms.  Tshibaka asked Ms.  Wamsganz what                                                               
it  would require  in  order for  the DMV  to  give Alaskans  the                                                               
option of a 24-hour return time.                                                                                                
9:51:40 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.   WAMSGANZ  replied   that  it   would  require   some  minor                                                               
programming  and operational  changes, and  an expedited  REAL ID                                                               
would  be at  an  additional  cost.   Referencing  slide 16,  Ms.                                                               
Wamsganz added  by way of  summary that  the DMV was  tasked with                                                               
implementing  an unfunded  federal  mandate that  was imposed  on                                                               
Alaska.    The DMV  is  responsible  for  providing REAL  IDs  to                                                               
Alaskans who want  the ID because they don't  have an alternative                                                               
form  of identification  or they  want an  additional form.   She                                                               
continued  that  the  DMV's  plan  was to  continue  to  take  on                                                               
additional duties, such as education  and outreach, engaging with                                                               
rural  communities, and  partnering  with different  stakeholders                                                               
and advocacy groups to inform Alaskans of their options.                                                                        
9:54:02 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked whether the  personnel cost covered the non-                                                               
permanent positions Ms. Wamsganz spoke of earlier.                                                                              
9:54:12 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  replied that  it did not  and that  those positions                                                               
would be at an additional cost.                                                                                                 
9:54:17 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked  how the DMV planned  to prioritize outreach                                                               
to  rural Alaska  if  there  were only  $1000  to  spend for  the                                                               
remainder of fiscal year 2020 (FY 20).                                                                                          
9:54:41 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  said that for  the rural  REAL ID outreach  the DMV                                                               
had mirrored  another of  their policies it  had done  "for quite                                                               
some time"  in which  it didn't offer  certain services,  such as                                                               
road testing,  but in which  services could instead  be requested                                                               
by communities.   The  communities would  be responsible  for the                                                               
travel   expenses   such   as  airfare,   lodging,   meals,   and                                                               
incidentals.   RavnAir Alaska airline  had also offered  to cover                                                               
travel to "most" communities, she added.                                                                                        
9:55:44 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS asked whether parts of  the state that are on the                                                               
road  system, such  as Anchorage,  Fairbanks,  or the  Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna Borough, paid the DMV to implement REAL ID.                                                                             
9:56:29 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ  replied that those  municipalities did not  pay the                                                               
DMV to implement REAL ID.                                                                                                       
9:56:30 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  suggested revisiting the requirement  that rural                                                               
communities pay  for a  service that  the DMV  pays for  in urban                                                               
9:56:58 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. TSHIBAKA  replied that the  DMV is revisiting this  topic, as                                                               
well  as trying  to get  the  word out  that DHSS  is paying  $19                                                               
million for 9,375 adults from  rural communities to come into hub                                                               
locations.    She  added  that  if  the  DMV  could  get  "really                                                               
effective"  messaging  to  those   adults  traveling  before  the                                                               
October 1 deadline,  then they can come into the  DMV where there                                                               
wouldn't be  issues with  the camera, and  it would  be confirmed                                                               
they  had the  right paperwork.    She added  that the  effective                                                               
messaging  campaign would  be a  much better  use of  state money                                                               
when it came to those adults getting their REAL IDs in time.                                                                    
9:58:00 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  said he is  glad that policy is  being revisited                                                               
as the  committee has  heard that many  rural communities  do not                                                               
have the  capacity to pay  for REAL  ID infrastructure.   He also                                                               
noted  that in  2019 Alaska  saved  $45.7 million  in travel  for                                                               
healthcare, up  from $10.5 million  in 2017 and $28.8  million in                                                               
2018.  It  costs money to issue REAL IDs,  he continued, but when                                                               
it  is looked  at  in terms  of Medicaid  financing  and the  100                                                               
percent Federal  Medical Assistance  Percentage (FMAP)  rate, the                                                               
return  on investment  should be  clear, even  moving beyond  the                                                               
state's obligations to its citizens.                                                                                            
9:59:00 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  asked for  background on whether  the DMV  is net                                                               
revenue positive or  net revenue negative every  fiscal year and,                                                               
if it is positive, how much  is returned to the general fund each                                                               
9:59:16 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ said  that she did not have the  number that the DMV                                                               
returned to the  general fund, but she noted that  the budget was                                                               
$17 million and the DMV brought in close to $60 million.                                                                        
9:59:35 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  said that  between $38 million  to 42  million is                                                               
returned to the general fund every year.                                                                                        
9:59:39 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. WAMSGANZ responded that is correct.                                                                                         
9:59:40 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ZULKOSKY said that the  committee had heard the facts about                                                               
the numbers that are saved  in general funds through partnerships                                                               
with tribes every  year.  She went on to  say she appreciated Ms.                                                               
Tshibaka's willingness to revisit  the cost for rural communities                                                               
to  provide  travel  and  access  to  the  DMV  for  individuals,                                                               
especially when  the DMV is  willing to request $500,000  to move                                                               
the Anchorage DMV to a new  location but has only budgeted $1,000                                                               
for rural outreach for the remainder of FY 20.                                                                                  
10:01:34 AM                                                                                                                   
There being no further business  before the committees, the joint                                                               
meeting of the House Special  Committee on Tribal Affairs and the                                                               
House  State Affairs  Standing Committee  was adjourned  at 10:02                                                               

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 148 Fiscal Note DHSS-BVS 2.13.2020.pdf HSTA 2/20/2020 8:00:00 AM
HSTA 2/27/2020 3:00:00 PM
HB 148