Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/09/2002 08:06 AM STA

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
             HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                         April 9, 2002                                                                                          
                           8:06 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Coghill, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Jeannette James                                                                                                  
Representative Hugh Fate                                                                                                        
Representative Gary Stevens                                                                                                     
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Harry Crawford                                                                                                   
Representative Joe Hayes                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 444                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to buildings covered under the Alaska public                                                                   
building fund; and providing for an effective date."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 444 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Public Offices Commission                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Sheila Gallagher - Anchorage                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 29                                                                                             
Relating to urging the Governor to institute a hiring freeze on                                                                 
state government.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS SCR 29(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
State Commission for Human Rights                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Kathy K. Wisthoff - Anchorage                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 380                                                                                                              
"An Act  relating to reimbursement  for certain  Medicare premium                                                               
charges  for  persons  receiving   benefits  from  the  teachers'                                                               
retirement system,  the judicial  retirement system,  the elected                                                               
public  officers retirement  system,  and  the public  employees'                                                               
retirement system."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 380 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 487                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to fireworks; and providing for an effective                                                                   
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING POSTPONED TO 4/11                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 444                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:ALASKA PUBLIC BUILDING FUND                                                                                         
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S)JAMES                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
02/19/02     2308       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
02/19/02     2308       (H)        STA                                                                                          
04/09/02                (H)        STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SCR 29                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:HIRING FREEZE                                                                                                       
SPONSOR(S): SENATOR(S) KELLY                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
02/19/02     2224       (S)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
02/19/02     2224       (S)        FIN                                                                                          
02/26/02                (S)        FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE                                                                
                                   532                                                                                          
02/26/02                (S)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
02/26/02                (S)        MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
03/22/02                (S)        FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE                                                                
                                   532                                                                                          
03/22/02                (S)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
03/22/02                (S)        MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
03/22/02     2501       (S)        COSPONSOR(S): DONLEY, LEMAN                                                                  
03/22/02     2496       (S)        FIN RPT 7DP 2NR                                                                              
03/22/02     2496       (S)        DP: DONLEY, KELLY, GREEN,                                                                    
                                   AUSTERMAN,                                                                                   
03/22/02     2496       (S)        WILKEN, WARD, LEMAN;                                                                         
03/22/02     2496       (S)        NR: HOFFMAN, OLSON                                                                           
03/26/02                (S)        RLS AT 11:00 AM FAHRENKAMP                                                                   
                                   203                                                                                          
03/26/02                (S)        MINUTE(RLS)                                                                                  
03/27/02     2540       (S)        RULES TO CALENDAR 1OR 3/27/02                                                                
03/27/02     2544       (S)        READ THE SECOND TIME                                                                         
03/27/02     2545       (S)        PASSED Y15 N5                                                                                
03/27/02     2545       (S)        ELTON NOTICE OF                                                                              
                                   RECONSIDERATION                                                                              
03/28/02     2561       (S)        RECON TAKEN UP - IN THIRD                                                                    
                                   READING                                                                                      
03/28/02     2561       (S)        PASSED ON RECONSIDERATION Y14                                                                
                                   N3 E3                                                                                        
03/28/02     2563       (S)        TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                           
03/28/02     2563       (S)        VERSION: SCR 29                                                                              
04/01/02     2733       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
04/01/02     2733       (H)        STA, FIN                                                                                     
04/09/02                (H)        STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 380                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:REIMBURSE CERTAIN RETIREE MEDICARE CHARGE                                                                           
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S)JAMES                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
02/04/02     2143       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
02/04/02     2143       (H)        STA, FIN                                                                                     
02/19/02     2329       (H)        COSPONSOR(S): HUDSON                                                                         
02/28/02                (H)        STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                   
02/28/02                (H)        Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                      
03/14/02                (H)        STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                   
03/14/02                (H)        Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                      
03/19/02                (H)        STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                   
03/19/02                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
03/19/02                (H)        MINUTE(STA)                                                                                  
03/19/02     2611       (H)        COSPONSOR(S): STEVENS,                                                                       
                                   CRAWFORD                                                                                     
03/26/02                (H)        STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                   
03/26/02                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
03/26/02                (H)        MINUTE(STA)                                                                                  
04/09/02                (H)        STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS PARCE, Director                                                                                                           
Central Office                                                                                                                  
Division of General Services                                                                                                    
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
PO Box 110210                                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska  99811-0210                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 444.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SHEILA GALLAGHER, Appointee                                                                                                     
to the Alaska Public Offices Commission                                                                                         
200 West 34th Street, PMB 774                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska  99503                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as Appointee to the Alaska Public                                                                
Offices Commission.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WENDY HALL, Staff                                                                                                               
to Senator Pete Kelly                                                                                                           
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 518                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented SCR 29 on behalf of sponsor.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JACK KREINHEDER, Chief Analyst                                                                                                  
Office of the Director                                                                                                          
Office of Management & Budget                                                                                                   
Office of the Governor                                                                                                          
PO Box 110001-0001                                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska  99811-0001                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions on SCR 29.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KATHY K. WISTHOFF, Appointee                                                                                                    
to the State Commission for Human Rights                                                                                        
18739 Villages Scenic Parkway                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska  99516                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as Appointee to the State                                                                        
Commission for Human Rights.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-37, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JOHN  COGHILL  called the  House  State  Affairs  Standing                                                               
Committee  meeting  to  order  at   8:06  a.m.    Representatives                                                               
Coghill,  James, Fate,  Stevens, and  Hayes were  present at  the                                                               
call to  order.  Representatives  Wilson and Crawford  arrived as                                                               
the meeting was in progress.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB 444 - ALASKA PUBLIC BUILDING FUND                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  announced that the  first order of  business would                                                               
be  HOUSE BILL  NO. 444,  "An Act  relating to  buildings covered                                                               
under  the Alaska  public  building fund;  and  providing for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0080                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JEANNETTE  JAMES, sponsor, presented HB  444.  She                                                               
explained  that  the  original bill  [HB  112,  21st  Legislative                                                               
Session] that  passed on the  Alaska Public Building  Fund listed                                                               
the  facilities that  were covered  for deferred  maintenance for                                                               
only a  trial period.   The  advantage of  setting up  the Alaska                                                               
public building  fund was  to put the  amount of  depreciation in                                                               
the fund that was allowed on  the rentals.  She explained how the                                                               
state was able to gather more  money through this process to have                                                               
the money  for deferred  maintenance.  She  noted that  this will                                                               
not take care of all the  maintenance issues, but that it goes in                                                               
that direction.   The building fund carries over year  to year if                                                               
the money is  not used.  The legislature can  take that money for                                                               
something else; in  fact, the first year it did  that, which very                                                               
much distressed her.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  indicated that there are  some very serious                                                               
needs in some of  the buildings on the list in  Juneau.  Since it                                                               
worked well on the buildings  during the trial period, this bill,                                                               
instead  of defining  what covered  buildings means,  just simply                                                               
says, "'covered buildings' means any  building owned by the state                                                               
for  which the  responsibility  for  operation, maintenance,  and                                                               
management   has    been   assigned   to   the    Department   of                                                               
Administration."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0450                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL asked  if increasing the number  of buildings would                                                               
diminish the ability to take care of the buildings.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  said no  and that wasn't  the intent.   The                                                               
intent is  the ability to  determine what  the rent ought  to be.                                                               
The only things  being paid for now in the  budget are the lights                                                               
and the specifics.   In this case, the rent on  the space will be                                                               
determined  and  then the  budget  would  cover the  rent,  which                                                               
includes  some depreciation  as well  as the  other things.   She                                                               
commented that it is a rational  way to handle the buildings.  It                                                               
provides the opportunity to charge  other agencies or groups that                                                               
use  any part  of  the buildings  the same  rent  that the  state                                                               
charges itself.  Instead of getting  a free ride, they'll have to                                                               
pay  some rent  toward the  depreciation  of the  building.   She                                                               
noted that the day after this  legislation is passed, not all the                                                               
buildings around the  state will be included;  it'll go gradually                                                               
forward as the numbers are established.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0590                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said if the  agencies are paying so much per                                                               
square foot for rent, she believes  that they may choose to be in                                                               
a smaller  space, so  there will  be more  money for  programs or                                                               
whatever  they do.   She  has always  been opposed  to the  state                                                               
owning anything.   She supports  the private sector's  owning the                                                               
buildings,  and the  state should  rent them  for an  amount that                                                               
manages  to keep  them in  good condition.   That's  a hard  sell                                                               
because it's  more money, she suggested.   The state is  going to                                                               
continue to come up with extra  money to fix things, because this                                                               
isn't going  to fix  everything, but  this is  a lot  better than                                                               
what used to be.  She urged everyone to support it.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0690                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS  commented that  this  is  not really  an                                                               
issue  of garnering  rent  but rather  establishing  a fund  from                                                               
which the  buildings would be  maintained adequately.   He agreed                                                               
it is  a wise thing to  do and expressed surprise  that it hadn't                                                               
been done before.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0740                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  asked if there were  any reports of how  it's gone                                                               
on any of the specific designated buildings.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JAMES   answered   that   the   Department   [of                                                               
Administration] has indicated things are  working well.  She said                                                               
she has visited some of the  buildings on the list and noted they                                                               
are  in  desperate  need  of more  maintenance  than  this  would                                                               
provide, but  that's because  they started out  needing a  lot of                                                               
maintenance.   There is another  piece of legislation  that would                                                               
allow bonding  to do  some of  that repair  work.   She commented                                                               
that it is an embarrassment to  her to have state workers working                                                               
in the conditions of some of the buildings.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0830                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE asked why this hasn't been done before.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES said  it has  been  done for  the last  two                                                               
years, and it was just lucky  to get that bill through the "other                                                               
end of  this building."   She  also explained  that she  has been                                                               
working on this issue for eight  years before that, trying to get                                                               
some  methodology to  set aside  the amount  of money  needed for                                                               
keeping things up.  It had to start  as a trial issue in order to                                                               
get it through.   In fact, the  other body took the  money out of                                                               
it  that year  and  put it  in the  budget  for another  purpose.                                                               
There are  probably lots  of reasons why  it wasn't  done before,                                                               
but that's  not important now,  she commented; it's  starting now                                                               
and needs to go forward.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES  explained that  in  her  very first  House                                                               
State  Affairs Standing  Committee meeting,  she had  a wonderful                                                               
plan  to manage  maintenance on  all facilities,  but the  fiscal                                                               
note was  enough to "choke a  horse."  All the  committee members                                                               
liked  the idea,  but they  couldn't deal  with the  fiscal note.                                                               
She said, "We'd be a lot further if we could've done that."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1025                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINE PARCE,  Director, Central  Office, Division  of General                                                               
Services, Department of Administration  (DOA), agreed that HB 112                                                               
had  been a  success and  much  to the  credit of  Representative                                                               
James.   It provided  the opportunity  to charge  rent, determine                                                               
depreciation,  garner those  funds, and  bring new  money to  the                                                               
state  to  be used  to  stop  the  further deterioration  of  the                                                               
buildings.     There  are  many   large  projects   the  deferred                                                               
maintenance list  can't address.   It  is a  good thing  that the                                                               
department  is able  to  use these  depreciation  dollars now  to                                                               
prevent further deterioration.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1107                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS asked how the  fund works and if the funds                                                               
can be used on any of the buildings.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. PARCE explained  that each building is regressed  to its date                                                               
of origin, and an accounting  process determines how the building                                                               
can  be depreciated.    That number  is an  expense  in the  rent                                                               
factor,  along with  utilities and  regular maintenance  expenses                                                               
such  as cleaning,  janitorial, and  that sort  of thing.   Those                                                               
monies  are  particular  to  a building,  and  the  expenses  are                                                               
tracked building  by building.   It  is all in  one pool,  so she                                                               
supposed if  there were  a desperate  need somewhere,  that money                                                               
could be used  from one building to another in  an emergency, but                                                               
that  isn't the  purpose.   The purpose  is for  the funds  to be                                                               
retained for that building.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS asked  if the  money would  be enough  to                                                               
replace the building eventually.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. PARCE  said she didn't  think that was  true.  It's  just for                                                               
basic maintenance.   The depreciation  doesn't bring in a  lot of                                                               
money.  She estimated the amount  for the nine buildings for 2002                                                               
at $1.7 million.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1275                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  asked about  the process  for adding  buildings to                                                               
the list.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PARCE  told  the  committee   that  on  July  1,  2001,  the                                                               
department took over the buildings on  the list of HB 112.  There                                                               
had been  a lot of  work in  anticipation of that  in calculating                                                               
costs and figuring  the rent and depreciation.   In November, the                                                               
department  entered  into  a  management  agreement  with  DOT&PF                                                               
[Department  of Transportation  & Public  Facilities] to  look at                                                               
other  buildings:   the Dimond  Courthouse, the  museum, and  the                                                               
subport building.   With the expenditures in FY 01  and the bills                                                               
DOT&PF  had  paid  on  those  buildings,  there  was  a  body  of                                                               
information.   One by  one, each building  will be  regressed and                                                               
the  true  value, replacement  value,  and  depreciation will  be                                                               
determined.  It's  not going to be in one  fell swoop, she noted.                                                               
Most of the buildings covered are  in the Southeast region.  Also                                                               
covered  are the  FROB [Fairbanks  Regional Office  Building] and                                                               
the  [Robert   B.]  Atwood  [Building]  in   Anchorage,  but  the                                                               
department won't be expanding into those areas immediately.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1430                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS   said  he   assumes  that   the  covered                                                               
buildings in the bill include most  state buildings.  He asked if                                                               
courthouses and  fish and game  buildings in  various communities                                                               
are generally covered by the DOA,  or are owned by the individual                                                               
agencies.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PARCE answered  that some  departments  are responsible  for                                                               
facilities.  The buildings on the  list from HB 112 are under the                                                               
responsibility of  the Department of Administration.   The DOT&PF                                                               
continues   to  maintain   many   facilities,  including   office                                                               
buildings, airports,  and harbors; the Department  of Corrections                                                               
maintains prisons; and  the [Alaska Department of]  Fish and Game                                                               
and  the  Department  of  Public   Safety  have  facilities  they                                                               
maintain.   She  said she  foresees the  DOA trying  to take  the                                                               
management responsibility for office structures.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS  wondered  if eventually  all  the  state                                                               
buildings would be under the Department of Administration.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. PARCE said she didn't know; that's a "big world."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  commented that  DOT&PF is certainly  one of                                                               
the  larger administrations,  and that  she would  be pleased  to                                                               
have  it  getting back  to  building  roads instead  of  managing                                                               
buildings.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEVENS  said he  sees  the  wisdom in  having  a                                                               
maintenance fund, whether it is under DOA or not.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1583                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  noted there  are still  horrible situations                                                               
in  buildings, even  though  it's  been worked  on  the last  ten                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL commented  that the state built a lot  in the 1980s                                                               
and didn't anticipate the maintenance and operation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1602                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   HAYES  asked   if   the   current  GO   [general                                                               
obligation]  bond would  cover deferred  maintenance or  just new                                                               
buildings.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PARCE  explained  that  the  governor's  bill  is  for  many                                                               
deferred maintenance projects.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1694                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  moved to  report HB  444 out  of committee                                                               
with individual recommendations and  the accompanying zero fiscal                                                               
notes.   There being no objection,  HB 444 was reported  from the                                                               
House State Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Public Offices Commission                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1724                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL announced  the next order of business  would be the                                                               
confirmation  hearing  for the  appointee  to  the Alaska  Public                                                               
Offices Commission.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1772                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SHEILA  GALLAGHER,   Appointee  to  the  Alaska   Public  Offices                                                               
Commission (APOC),  testified via  teleconference.  She  told the                                                               
committee that she wants to  serve on this commission because she                                                               
was asked and it is her  civic responsibility.  She said that she                                                               
has the background and can do it.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL expressed  his appreciation  to Ms.  Gallagher for                                                               
her  willingness  to  serve  on  APOC.   He  noted  her  law  and                                                               
mediation  experience and  asked about  her experience  with APOC                                                               
now.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. GALLAGHER answered that she just started in June.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE asked  how many  attorneys are  working with                                                               
her on APOC.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GALLAGHER answered there are none on the staff right now.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL asked her if she anticipated any problems.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. GALLAGHER answered  that she thinks one of  the problems will                                                               
be implementing  the new  bill [SB 103]  and conforming  to Judge                                                               
Singleton's decision, since there has  been such a radical change                                                               
on the soft-money issue.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL asked her if the  forms will be changed as a result                                                               
of SB 103.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GALLAGHER answered  that the  staff is  working on  changing                                                               
some  forms and  working  on some  proposed  regulations for  the                                                               
commission to review at the next meeting.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  asked  her  if  there was  much  talk  of  online                                                               
reporting.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. GALLAGHER answered  yes, ultimately, almost all  of the forms                                                               
will be filed  online.  The commission also has  discussed how to                                                               
educate the  people in  communities who also  have to  file these                                                               
forms.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1990                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Although there was no formal  motion, the confirmation of Sheila                                                               
Gallagher was treated as advanced from committee.]                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SCR 29 - HIRING FREEZE                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2020                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
SENATE  CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION NO.  29,  Relating  to urging  the                                                               
Governor to institute a hiring freeze on state government.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2032                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
WENDY   HALL,  Staff   to  Senator   Pete  Kelly,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, presented  SCR 29 on  behalf of Senator  Pete Kelly,                                                               
sponsor.   She told  the committee that  Senator Kelly  put forth                                                               
this resolution urging the governor  to institute a hiring freeze                                                               
for all the positions funded by  the general fund.  She said that                                                               
Senator Kelly and  his office feel that this is  the most logical                                                               
first step  when facing a fiscal  crisis.  Right now  the deficit                                                               
stands  at  46 percent  of  the  general  funds.   This  isn't  a                                                               
solution to the problem, but it would help.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2080                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAYES  asked if the  858 full-time  positions with                                                               
the price tag of $115 million are all general fund money.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL replied she wasn't sure.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAYES asked  if SCR  29 addresses  bills in  this                                                               
legislative  session  that have  fiscal  notes  to implement  new                                                               
employees or addresses just the governor's budget.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL answered that it  would be every position funded through                                                               
general fund money,  except for health and  safety positions such                                                               
as firefighters.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAYES said  there are  bills addressing  economic                                                               
development to  address shortages in departments  for permitting,                                                               
so just involving health and  safety doesn't necessarily help the                                                               
economic development.   In order to move the  state forward, some                                                               
people will  have to  be hired  to help  with the  permitting and                                                               
economic development.   If  those positions  are included  in the                                                               
freeze, the  state would move  backward, he commented.   He asked                                                               
if the sponsor had looked at that.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL replied that this isn't  a permanent hiring freeze.  She                                                               
said that  she doesn't see  the gas  pipeline coming in  the next                                                               
year  or so.    Obviously,  if people  are  needed  to build  the                                                               
pipeline, that  would be  an exception,  or hopefully  the hiring                                                               
freeze would be over by then.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2280                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRAWFORD pointed out  that the Department of Labor                                                               
& Workforce Development is shorthanded  right now.  There are not                                                               
enough people in Wage  & Hour in Anchorage to do the  job now.  A                                                               
lot   of  enforcement   isn't  being   done   because  they   are                                                               
shorthanded.   If there is  a hiring  freeze, then the  work will                                                               
still not  get done.  He  asked what efficacy would  this have by                                                               
not getting the work done.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HALL said  she  wasn't  familiar with  the  problems in  the                                                               
Department of Labor & Workforce  Development.  She indicated that                                                               
this  bill  was  primarily  aimed   at  those  departments  where                                                               
positions  haven't been  filled for  six  months to  a year,  and                                                               
suggested that those positions perhaps weren't necessary.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2353                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES   said  that  this  is   certainly  just  a                                                               
statement to  the governor that  the legislature wishes  he would                                                               
do  this.    She  doesn't  find it  to  be  very  effective,  she                                                               
commented, except for  making a statement, but it  is a statement                                                               
that is okay to  make.  She said her biggest  concern is there is                                                               
no date by which this is requested  and no timeline.  It is open-                                                               
ended.   She agreed  that economic  development issues  are being                                                               
looked at,  but she doesn't  expect any  in the next  few months;                                                               
however,  within   six  months  or   more,  there  may   be  some                                                               
opportunities.   Certainly if  that is  the case,  something will                                                               
have to  be done.   This resolution doesn't  say it can't;  it is                                                               
just urging the  governor to stop hiring for now.   Based on that                                                               
fact, she indicated that she can support this.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2542                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS  commented that  he hoped the  state won't                                                               
have to  face this issue,  and that the legislature  will address                                                               
the  fiscal gap  and deal  with the  current revenue  shortfalls.                                                               
This resolution  is saying if  that isn't done,  the hemorrhaging                                                               
has to stop;  money can't be spent  when it isn't coming  in.  He                                                               
expressed support for the resolution.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2579                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE agreed  the  resolution sends  a message  to                                                               
make the government  more effective and efficient.   He commented                                                               
that he does not believe that  a freeze, not cuts, would hurt the                                                               
state in  going ahead  in developing  its economy.   It  might be                                                               
just the  converse.   He said  that he  doesn't believe  a freeze                                                               
would  have a  sudden  impact, because  it's  the attrition  that                                                               
would  begin to  reduce the  size  of government.   He  expressed                                                               
support for this resolution.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2749                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked if  there are vacancies  that aren't                                                               
filled  in  various  departments,  whether the  money  sit  there                                                               
waiting for that person to be  hired, so there is excess money in                                                               
that department.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2776                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JACK KREINHEDER,  Chief Analyst,  Office of the  Director, Office                                                               
of   Management  &   Budget,   Office  of   the  Governor,   told                                                               
Representative  Wilson  that it  tends  to  be case-specific  and                                                               
time-specific.   If  a  position  were vacant  a  whole year  and                                                               
funded through the  capital budget, the money would  lapse at the                                                               
end  of the  year, so  it wouldn't  sit there  in the  department                                                               
forever.  If  a position were vacant for a  few months, the money                                                               
could  be available  if the  department  was short  on money  for                                                               
another  position.   The  excess money  for  the vacant  position                                                               
might  be  used  if  it  were   in  the  same  component  of  the                                                               
department; money can't be transferred across on appropriations.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2844                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked how much  money is represented by the                                                               
858 positions in the resolution.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER  replied that  he cannot give  an exact  number on                                                               
that but will get back to her with a more specific answer.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  agreed with Representative Fate  that this                                                               
is something to  look at.  This is  a way to at least  put a halt                                                               
to growth  now, while  there is  such a  budget deficit  with the                                                               
least destruction to  the state.  She said she  thinks this is an                                                               
excellent resolution.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  asked  Mr. Kreinheder  to  answer  Representative                                                               
Hayes's question  about how  many of  these positions  are funded                                                               
out of the general fund.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER answered that not  all of the positions are funded                                                               
out  of  the general  fund,  but  he  doesn't have  the  specific                                                               
breakdown.   The 858 figure  is from the Division  of Legislative                                                               
Finance.   The administration strives  to have its  numbers match                                                               
the division's numbers,  but there is a different  set of numbers                                                               
in  this  case, so  it  is  difficult to  reconcile  it.   As  an                                                               
example,  he  shows  that  approximately  one-third  of  the  new                                                               
positions added  for FY 03  would be  either federally  funded or                                                               
self-supporting.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL said he understands  that many of the Department of                                                               
Labor & Workforce Development's  new positions would be federally                                                               
funded.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER agreed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2963                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE asked how many  employees in state government                                                               
are funded from the general fund.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER  said he didn't  have that  number off the  top of                                                               
his head but would get back to Representative Fate.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-37, SIDE B                                                                                                              
Number 2968                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER  said the administration shows  536 new positions.                                                               
The main  reason for  the difference  is that  the administration                                                               
numbers  look  what agencies  have  in  place compared  with  the                                                               
governor's  proposed FY  03  budget.   The  858  number from  the                                                               
Division  of Legislative  Finance is  from the  FY 02  authorized                                                               
budget  enacted by  the legislature.    He commented  that it  is                                                               
comparing apples and oranges.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  reminded  the  committee   that  there  are  many                                                               
positions that were authorized but not filled.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2897                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  expressed her  concern about  the increased                                                               
use of and dependency on federal funds.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2798                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER asked  Ms. Hall if the resolution  had a timeframe                                                               
or would it be just a one-year hiring freeze.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HALL  answered  that  it  would  be  up  to  the  governor's                                                               
discretion after the deficit decreased.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2760                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER  said the  administration had  a hiring  freeze in                                                               
1999 when  the oil price  fell below $10  per barrel.   The exact                                                               
dollar amount  that hiring freeze  saved was not  calculated, but                                                               
there   were  some   modest  savings.     He   stated  that   the                                                               
administration's viewpoint  is that a  hiring freeze is  a short-                                                               
term solution.  Alaska's fiscal  gap is not a short-term problem;                                                               
it's a long-term problem.  He  emphasized that the focus needs to                                                               
be on fixing the long-term problem with a long-term solution.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER  referred to  the hiring  freeze as  management by                                                               
chance.  It  depends who decides to move or  take another job and                                                               
whether that  position is  a vital one.   He said  that is  not a                                                               
good way to do business for the long term.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2635                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KREINHEDER  commented that  although  SCR  29 does  have  an                                                               
exemption  for health  and  safety, there  is  concern about  the                                                               
economic development impact.  For  example, biologists are needed                                                               
to open  fisheries, but  the Alaska Department  of Fish  and Game                                                               
(ADFG)  is losing  biologists to  the federal  government because                                                               
the wages are more competitive with  the 25 percent COLA [cost of                                                               
living adjustment].  There are  already problems with recruitment                                                               
and retention, and a hiring freeze will only aggravate that.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER also  noted that some positions  in the Department                                                               
of Revenue are vital for  collecting revenue.  If those positions                                                               
were vacant,  that could  actually worsen  the fiscal  gap rather                                                               
than help it.  He said  he presumes that state troopers would not                                                               
be  part  of   the  hiring  freeze,  but  asked   about  all  the                                                               
administrative   staff  that   support  those   troopers.     The                                                               
department can't  be run  effectively without  the administrative                                                               
staff  to provide  the support  and  help hire  new troopers,  he                                                               
stated.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL announced  that the  hearing  on SCR  29 would  be                                                               
continued after the testimony on the confirmation hearing.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
State Commission for Human Rights                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
the  confirmation   hearing  for  the  appointee   to  the  State                                                               
Commission for  Human Rights.   He asked Ms. Wisthoff  to explain                                                               
why  she wants  to  serve and  what  she expects  to  be able  to                                                               
accomplish.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2508                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KATHY K.  WISTHOFF, Appointee to  the State Commission  for Human                                                               
Rights,  testified via  teleconference.   She told  the committee                                                               
that she has  just completed a five-year term and  this will be a                                                               
reappointment.   She said she  is interested in human  rights and                                                               
believes that  everyone is  entitled to a  fair playing  field in                                                               
whatever  areas are  protected by  the  state.   She has  enjoyed                                                               
serving on this  commission and looks forward  to serving another                                                               
five years.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL asked  Ms. Wisthoff  what  she sees  as issues  in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. WISTHOFF answered  that one area is  discrimination of Alaska                                                               
Natives.    Other  than  that,   the  discrimination  issues  are                                                               
probably the same as those  faced by other states, which continue                                                               
to be gender, age, and  race discrimination, mainly in employment                                                               
and housing.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2390                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES  asked  Ms. Wisthoff  about  the  profiling                                                               
issue, which is really bias  based on race, religion, or national                                                               
origin, not whether the issue is based on some behavior.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2282                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WISTHOFF  agreed that is  a concern.   There are  cases where                                                               
people have  been fired for being  a bad employee but  claimed it                                                               
was due  to discrimination.   The  investigators working  for the                                                               
commission have been very good  about finding out that indeed the                                                               
person  was a  bad employee  and the  cases were  dismissed.   It                                                               
isn't always a  case of discrimination.  She said  she thinks the                                                               
commission has done a good job of seeking out that information.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL asked  how the  commission  deals with  complaints                                                               
when there are quotas for hiring.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WISTHOFF replied  she didn't  know; she'd  never had  a case                                                               
like that.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL asked  how the  commission proves  whether someone                                                               
was not hired because of discrimination.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WISTHOFF answered  that it  comes  down to  a very  thorough                                                               
investigation.   The history of  the person doing the  hiring has                                                               
to  be investigated.   There  is  an interview  process with  the                                                               
supervisor  and  all  of  the co-workers  that  could  have  been                                                               
involved with the supervisor.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2095                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  asked how  retribution would  be handled  in these                                                               
cases.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. WISTHOFF  said there  is protection  from retribution  in the                                                               
human rights  law.  If  there are reported cases  of retribution,                                                               
they are  thoroughly investigated because  it is not legal.   She                                                               
explained that mediation  is used in some cases.   The commission                                                               
doesn't have the  authority to demand back pay; all  it can do is                                                               
make the  agency fix  an offending  behavior through  training of                                                               
staff.  Personnel records can  be changed to reflect that someone                                                               
wasn't fired  for a  bad performance  if indeed  it turns  out to                                                               
have been  discrimination.   There have been  awards of  pay, but                                                               
there have  never been huge claims.   The commission's job  is to                                                               
find out  if these things are  happening, and if they  are, train                                                               
the  people on  how to  avoid them  and make  sure the  offending                                                               
behavior stops.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. WISTHOFF  said claimants can  file a  claim in court  if they                                                               
feel that  the commission didn't  respond in the way  they wanted                                                               
to see it resolved.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  asked if  the commission's report  was an  item of                                                               
discovery in a court hearing.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. WISTHOFF said she thought it  was but wasn't sure because she                                                               
had not followed cases that had gone on to court.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL thanked Ms. Wisthoff for her willingness to serve.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Although there was  no formal motion, the  confirmation of Kathy                                                               
Wisthoff was treated as advanced from committee.]                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SCR 29 - HIRING FREEZE                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  announced that  the  committee  would resume  the                                                               
hearing  on  SENATE CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION  NO.  29, Relating  to                                                               
urging  the  Governor  to  institute a  hiring  freeze  on  state                                                               
government.                                                                                                                     
.                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1860                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER  reported that he'd had  a chance to check  on the                                                               
total number of state employees.   As of October 2001, there were                                                               
23,500 part-time  and full-time  state employees,  which includes                                                               
the University of Alaska.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1753                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked if  contracted employees were counted                                                               
in that number.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. KREINHEDER answered  that he didn't believe so,  but he would                                                               
have to confirm that.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1669                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES said  she thinks there is some  benefit to a                                                               
hiring freeze  where it works, but  she is not convinced  that it                                                               
works across the board.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1540                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRAWFORD agreed  with Representative  James.   He                                                               
said he thinks a blanket hiring  freeze is bad policy.  "If there                                                               
are  some  jobs  we  don't  want done,  we  ought  to  make  that                                                               
decision," he said.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1372                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAYES  made a motion  to adopt Amendment  l, which                                                               
read:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 3, change "healthy" to "health"                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 3:                                                                                                            
          Following "health"                                                                                                    
          Delete "and" and insert ","                                                                                           
          Following "safety"                                                                                                    
          Insert "and economic development"                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL objected  and said  economic development  could be                                                               
anything.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAYES  explained  that there  are  some  economic                                                               
development bills in the legislative  process and that the hiring                                                               
freeze would  not take those positions  into consideration, which                                                               
could cause a problem.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1219                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JAMES  agreed that economic development  is broad,                                                               
but it certainly  has a purpose:  it makes  money.  She suggested                                                               
new  wording.   The resolution  is  only sending  a message,  she                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE suggested that  what constitutes an emergency                                                               
might be a part of the amendment.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1043                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAYES said he wasn't  sure if economic development                                                               
would fall into  an emergency.  Permitting for new  oil leases is                                                               
not such an emergency, but it would enhance economic growth.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE asked  what is going to be  the least painful                                                               
way to  deal with the deficit.   The situation in  Alaska demands                                                               
some sort of stricture on government spending, he stated.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAYES said he wants  the message to be that Alaska                                                               
is open for business.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL said  he is inclined to leave the  resolution as it                                                               
is.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0606                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES made  a  motion to  adopt  an amendment  to                                                               
Amendment 1  and strike "and  economic development"  but maintain                                                               
the technical change of "healthy" to "health."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAYES objected.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0380                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A  roll  call  vote  was taken.    Representatives  Fate,  James,                                                               
Stevens,  and Coghill  voted for  the amendment  to Amendment  1.                                                               
Representatives  Crawford, Hayes,  and Wilson  voted against  it.                                                               
Therefore, the amendment to Amendment 1  was adopted by a vote of                                                               
4-3.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  COGHILL  asked if  there  was  objection to  Amendment  1.                                                               
There being no further objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0305                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAYES  explained that he doesn't  necessarily have                                                               
a problem  with SCR  29.   The five-year  plan was  introduced to                                                               
reduce government,  but it  did not address  the revenue  side of                                                               
things.  The main issue he has  with the resolution is that it is                                                               
a simple solution to a complex  problem, he commented.  Last week                                                               
some bill was passed out of  committee to encourage folks to work                                                               
for the state, but now the message  is that no one is going to be                                                               
hired anyway.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE  noted  that   the  five-year  plan  reduced                                                               
spending by cutting the budget.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-38, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0233                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVENS  asked Ms.  Hall for clarification  on the                                                               
temporary positions referred to on page 2, line 2, of SCR 29.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0280                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HALL  answered  that  those  temporary  positions  would  be                                                               
paramedics and/or  firefighters needed during the  fire season in                                                               
the summer  and those needed for  health and safety reasons.   It                                                               
doesn't necessarily  mean the positions would  be temporary; they                                                               
would be full-time.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0326                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRAWFORD said he is  opposed to any statement that                                                               
says, "We're afraid  to grow our state's economy."   He added, "I                                                               
believe ...  this doesn't set  our priorities, and it  says we're                                                               
closed for business."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0365                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE  moved to report  SCR 29, as amended,  out of                                                               
committee with individual recommendations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRAWFORD objected.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
A  roll  call  vote  was taken.    Representatives  Fate,  James,                                                               
Stevens,  Wilson,  and  Coghill  voted in  favor  of  moving  the                                                               
resolution.   Representatives  Crawford and  Hayes voted  against                                                               
it.   Therefore, HCS SCR  29(STA) was  reported out of  the House                                                               
State Affairs Standing Committee by a vote of 5-2.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HB 380 - REIMBURSE CERTAIN RETIREE MEDICARE CHARGE                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0565                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  announced that the  final order of  business would                                                               
be  HOUSE BILL  NO. 380,  "An Act  relating to  reimbursement for                                                               
certain Medicare  premium charges for persons  receiving benefits                                                               
from  the teachers'  retirement system,  the judicial  retirement                                                               
system, the  elected public officers  retirement system,  and the                                                               
public employees' retirement system."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0625                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR COGHILL  indicated that the  fiscal note  on HB 380  is not                                                               
coming  out of  general  funds;  it will  come  out  of the  PERS                                                               
[Public   Employees'  Retirement   System]   and  TRS   [Teachers                                                               
Retirement System] accounts.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAMES moved  to report  HB 380  out of  committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  HB 380 was reported out of the                                                               
House State Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0816                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
State Affairs Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at                                                                       
9:50 a.m.                                                                                                                       

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