Legislature(1993 - 1994)

02/12/1994 08:00 AM STA

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             HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                            
                        February 12, 1994                                      
                            8:00 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Al Vezey, Chairman                                            
  Representative Pete Kott, Vice Chairman                                      
  Representative Gary Davis                                                    
  Representative Harley Olberg                                                 
  Representative Jerry Sanders                                                 
  Representative Fran Ulmer                                                    
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Bettye Davis                                                  
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  HB 351:     "An Act relating to the issuance of permits                      
               for the carrying of a concealed weapon and                      
               relating to the possession of weapons."                         
                                                                               
               HELD OVER                                                       
                                                                               
  HJR 40:      Proposing an amendment to the constitution                      
               of the State of Alaska relating to the                          
               individual right to keep and bear arms.                         
                                                                               
               HELD OVER                                                       
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  GIOVANNI TALLINO, President                                                  
  Kodiak Sportsmen Association                                                 
  P.O. Box 4496                                                                
  Kodiak, AK  99615                                                            
  Phone:  486-3043                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  CHARLES TRIPP                                                                
  1820 Larch St.                                                               
  Kodiak, AK  99615                                                            
  Phone:  486-4229                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351.                           
                                                                               
  GILBERT CROSS                                                                
  Box 666                                                                      
  Barrow, AK  99723                                                            
  Phone:  852-3455                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  DOUG SOMERS                                                                  
  P.O. Box 58195                                                               
  Fairbanks, AK  99711                                                         
  Phone:  488-9366                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351.                           
                                                                               
  LEE PUTMAN, President                                                        
  Ketchikan Sports Wildlife Club                                               
  6005 Roosevelt Dr.                                                           
  Ketchikan, AK  99901                                                         
  Phone:  225-7694                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HJR 40 and                        
                      offered suggestions for HB 351.                          
                                                                               
  GEORGE CHIPMAN                                                               
  Box 8990                                                                     
  Ketchikan, AK  99901                                                         
  Phone:  225-8180                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351.                           
                                                                               
  BILL GILLAM                                                                  
  Box 221                                                                      
  Glennallen, AK  99588                                                        
  Phone:  822-3658                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351.                           
                                                                               
  EDWARD KNOEBEL                                                               
  Box 84                                                                       
  Glennallen, AK  99588                                                        
  Phone:  822-3208                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  NORM STUARD                                                                  
  P.O. Box 497                                                                 
  Soldotna, AK  99669                                                          
  Phone:  262-1705                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  RUSS MORRISON                                                                
  P.O. Box 4623                                                                
  Soldotna, AK  99669                                                          
  Phone:  262-7536                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  ROGER ROTHSCHILD                                                             
  P.O. Box 213                                                                 
  Bethel, AK  99559                                                            
  Phone:  543-5478                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       commented on HJR 40                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  WAYNE HORINE                                                                 
  P.O. Box 10249                                                               
  Fairbanks, AK  99701                                                         
  Phone:  488-3250                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  MARC FARRINGTON                                                              
  3734 Aune Ct.                                                                
  North Pole, AK  99705                                                        
  Phone:  488-8307                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351                            
                                                                               
  MARK CHRYSON, State Field Coordinator                                        
  Gun Owners of America                                                        
  2140 Wolverine Circle                                                        
  Wasilla, AK  99654                                                           
  Phone:  376-8285                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HJR 40 and                        
                      offered an amendment to HB 351.                          
                                                                               
  ROY W. WHITE                                                                 
  PO Box 105                                                                   
  Palmer, AK  99645                                                            
  Phone:  746-3006                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  GENE OTTENSTROER                                                             
  P.O. Box 1059                                                                
  Delta Junction, AK  99737                                                    
  Phone:  895-4805                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  BERNARD GOODNO                                                               
  P.O. Box 92                                                                  
  Delta Junction, AK  99737                                                    
  Phone:  895-4000                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351.                           
                                                                               
  JOHN HANDELAND                                                               
  Box 295                                                                      
  Nome, AK  99762                                                              
  Phone:  443-2486                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351.                           
                                                                               
  TOM WALKER, Chief of Police                                                  
  P.O. Box 167                                                                 
  Seward, AK  99664                                                            
  Phone:  224-3338                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 351 and                   
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  VALERIE MAXWELL                                                              
  P.O. Box 3701                                                                
  Seward, AK  99664                                                            
  Phone:  224-8689                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  PATRICK JOHNSON                                                              
  54540 E. End Rd.                                                             
  Homer, AK  99603                                                             
  Phone:  235-6656                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  WARREN TROY                                                                  
  P.O. Box 3376                                                                
  Homer, AK  99603                                                             
  Phone:  Not given.                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  DANIEL J. CAMPBELL                                                           
  P.O. Box 3304                                                                
  Valdez, AK  99686                                                            
  Phone:  835-3304                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
  MARK L. CRADDUK                                                              
  P.O. Box 1808                                                                
  Valdez, AK  99686                                                            
  Phone:  835-2492                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  JOHN R. OLSEN                                                                
  Box 1135                                                                     
  Petersburg, AK  99833                                                        
  Phone:  772-3405                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  BENJAMIN SHERBURNE                                                           
  24807 Teal Loop                                                              
  Chugiak, AK  99567                                                           
  Phone:  688-0102                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  SYLVAN MORGAN, JR.                                                           
  9806 Dinaaka Dr.                                                             
  Eagle River, AK  99577                                                       
  Phone:  696-5302                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  DEBORAH SMITH, Executive Director                                            
  Alaska Mental Health Board                                                   
  431 N. Franklin #101                                                         
  Juneau, AK  99801                                                            
  Phone:  465-3071                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Offered suggestions to HB 351.                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  LEONARD ABEL                                                                 
  Division of Mental Health & Developmental Disabilities                       
  Department of Health and Social Services                                     
  326 4th St. #1002J                                                           
  Juneau, AK  99801                                                            
  Phone:  465-3370                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Offered suggestions to HB 351.                          
                                                                               
  REXENE OLSON                                                                 
  P.O. Box 1448                                                                
  Kodiak, AK  99615                                                            
  Phone:  486-4101                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  MIKE MILLIGAN                                                                
  S.R. 9121                                                                    
  Kodiak, AK  99615                                                            
  Phone:  487-4402                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       against HJR 40.                                         
                                                                               
  CASEY WHEELER                                                                
  2668 Scotch Pine                                                             
  North Pole, AK  99705                                                        
  Phone:  488-2064                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
  BYRON M. NASH                                                                
  2200 Persinger Dr.                                                           
  North Pole, AK  99705                                                        
  Phone:  488-6310                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351.                           
                                                                               
  SCOTT CORYELL                                                                
  P.O. Box 1044                                                                
  Ward Cove, AK  99901                                                         
  Phone:  247-2494                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  ANDREA JACOBSON                                                              
  15 Wood Rd. Stg.                                                             
  Ketchikan, AK  99901                                                         
  Phone:  225-5934                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified against HB 351.                               
                                                                               
  JIM JENCKES                                                                  
  616 Maple                                                                    
  Kenai, AK  99611                                                             
  Phone:  283-5244                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351.                           
                                                                               
  MARLENE MEYER                                                                
  P.O. Box 935                                                                 
  Sterling, AK  99672                                                          
  Phone:  262-9346                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  RICHARD MITCHELL                                                             
  P.O. Box 990                                                                 
  Delta Junction, AK  99737                                                    
  Phone:  895-5008                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  PAT MCKEEN                                                                   
  P.O. Box 151                                                                 
  Delta Junction, AK  99737                                                    
  Phone:  895-1057                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  AUSTIN MAHALKEY                                                              
  Box 455                                                                      
  Glennallen, AK  99588                                                        
  Phone:  822-3613                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  DOUG SWEET                                                                   
  1941 Hilling Ave.                                                            
  Fairbanks, AK  99709                                                         
  Phone:  456-8856                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  CLARENCE BAYSINGER                                                           
  P.O. Box 96                                                                  
  Nenana, AK  99760                                                            
  Phone:  832-1006                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  PHU LE WHITE                                                                 
  P.O. Box 105                                                                 
  Palmer, AK  99645                                                            
  Phone:  746-3006                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  GERALD ANDERSON                                                              
  HC30 Box 5342J                                                               
  Wasilla, AK  99687                                                           
  Phone:  373-4080                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351.                           
                                                                               
  ALBERT SORENSEN                                                              
  38675 Yukon Ave.                                                             
  Homer, AK  99603                                                             
  Phone:  235-4867                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HJR 40 and                        
                       opposed HB 351.                                         
                                                                               
  BEAVER BENTLEY                                                               
  41955 Spencer Dr.                                                            
  Homer, AK  99603                                                             
  Phone:  235-7389                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  CRAIG D. SANDLER, Deputy Director & Retired Chief of Police                  
  Law Enforcement Activities                                                   
  National Rifle Association                                                   
  1600 Rhode Island Ave.                                                       
  Washington, D.C.  20036                                                      
  Phone:  703-883-9553                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  GARY LUDWIG                                                                  
  1210 W. 15th Ave.                                                            
  Anchorage, AK  99501                                                         
  Phone:  278-1400                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351                            
                       and HJR 40.                                             
                                                                               
  CHRIS SULLIVAN                                                               
  4155 McLean Place                                                            
  Anchorage, AK  99504                                                         
  Phone:  337-3075                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in favor of HB 351 and                        
                       HJR 40.                                                 
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 351                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: PERMIT TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS                               
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) JAMES,Bunde,Olberg,Sanders                     
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  01/07/94      2019    (H)   PREFILE RELEASED                                 
  01/10/94      2019    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/10/94      2020    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS,JUDICIARY,FINANCE                  
  01/12/94      2043    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): SANDERS                            
  01/22/94              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/22/94              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/12/94              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
  BILL:  HJR 40                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS                                     
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) SANDERS,Olberg,Green,Kott                      
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  04/13/93      1178    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  04/13/93      1178    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY                         
  04/20/93      1387    (H)   CORRECTION TO ORIGINAL SPONSORS:                 
  04/20/93      1387    (H)   SANDERS, OLBERG                                  
  04/22/93      1449    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): GREEN                              
  05/01/93      1641    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): KOTT                               
  01/18/94              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/18/94              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  01/29/94              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/29/94              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/12/94              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 94-12, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
  HB 351 - PERMIT TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS                                   
                                                                               
  HJR 40 - RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS                                         
                                                                               
  CHAIR AL VEZEY called the meeting to order at 8:02 a.m.                      
  Members present at the call to order were REPRESENTATIVES                    
  PETE KOTT, JERRY SANDERS, GARY DAVIS, HARLEY OLBERG and FRAN                 
  ULMER. REPRESENTATIVE BETTYE DAVIS was absent.  Anchorage,                   
  Barrow, Bethel, Cordova, Delta Junction, Fairbanks,                          
  Glennallen, Homer, Kodiak, Ketchikan, Mat-Su, Nome,                          
  Petersburg, Seward, Kenai/Soldotna, and Valdez were on-line                  
  teleconference sites.  CHAIR VEZEY announced public                          
  testimony would be taken on both HB 351 and HJR 40                           
  simultaneously.                                                              
                                                                               
  Teleconference testimony began with Kodiak.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 089                                                                   
                                                                               
  GIOVANNI TALLINO, PRESIDENT, KODIAK ARMED SPORTSMEN                          
  ASSOCIATION, testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.                        
  Carrying weapons in the open is disrupting and not                           
  practical.  He viewed law enforcement as a reactive, rather                  
  than proactive force.                                                        
                                                                               
  CHARLES SMITH testified in favor of HB 351.  He felt the                     
  open presence of firearms in public places produces a state                  
  of paranoia.  He also believed police should not be regarded                 
  as bodyguards.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 188                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Barrow teleconference site.                         
                                                                               
  GILBERT CROSS testified in support of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                 
  emphasized most criminal acts take place outside of the                      
  home, thereby, carrying weapons outside for protection would                 
  be useful.  MR. CROSS questioned if page 3, line 16,                         
  prohibiting individuals with substance abuse records from                    
  obtaining a permit, could include a time limit.  He felt                     
  individuals convicted of this sort of crime in their youth                   
  may be law abiding citizens now and would like to apply for                  
  a permit.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 225                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY answered the latest amendments to HB 351 have                    
  deleted misdemeanors and only felony violations would                        
  prohibit an individual from obtaining a permit.                              
                                                                               
  Number 234                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. CROSS reiterated the occurrence of crimes outside the                    
  home and wished for protection against attackers.                            
                                                                               
  Number 243                                                                   
                                                                               
  DOUG SOMERS testified in favor of HB 351.  Throughout the                    
  country, he noticed "there has never been a private citizen                  
  armed to stop some of the carnage going on."  HB 351 is a                    
  common sense issue.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 255                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Ketchikan teleconference site.                      
                                                                               
  Number 268                                                                   
                                                                               
  LEE PUTMAN, PRESIDENT, KETCHIKAN SPORTS WILDLIFE CLUB,                       
  testified in favor of HJR 40 and offered amendments to HB
  351.  The directors of the Ketchikan Sports Wildlife Club                    
  felt HB 351 should be amended to assimilate the approach of                  
  CSSB 237.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 284                                                                   
                                                                               
  GEORGE CHIPMAN testified in favor of HB 351.  He believed                    
  police currently act in an investigative manner and not as a                 
  deterrence.  "Deterrent police protection is now an                          
  oxymoron."  He felt if President Clinton were to put                         
  firearms into the hands of 100,000 private citizens instead                  
  of police, the national debt would decrease and the crime                    
  rate would decrease.  MR. CHIPMAN urged for a quick passage                  
  of HB 351.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 310                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY announced the House State Affairs Committee has                  
  received more than 200 public opinion messages (POMs) from                   
  Fairbanks alone, and 1,000-2,000 POMs statewide in favor of                  
  HB 351.  He also noted HJR 40 has received approximately six                 
  letters a day in favor of it, with only three or four                        
  letters in opposition.  He then continued testimony with the                 
  Glennallen teleconference site.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 325                                                                   
                                                                               
  BILL GILLAM testified in favor of HB 351.  He reminded the                   
  committee that shoulder holsters are difficult to put over                   
  large heavy parkas in the winter.  Being from a small                        
  community, MR. GILLAM stated there are few police, with an                   
  area that's spread out to patrol, which makes for inadequate                 
  protection.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 340                                                                   
                                                                               
  EDWARD KNOEBEL testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                  
  questioned if the permits should have fingerprints on them.                  
  He also wondered if the fine of $25 dollars for not having a                 
  permit, could be reversed with the $125 fee to obtain a                      
  permit.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 350                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY responded the subcommittee to HB 351 has                         
  addressed those issues.  Testimony continued with                            
  Kenai/Soldotna.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 362                                                                   
                                                                               
  NORM STUARD testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                     
  noted other states, such as Florida, which have passed                       
  firearm carrying laws have had a decrease in their crime                     
  rates.  Primarily in Florida, vehicles with out-of-state                     
  plates are more prone to criminal activities due to the                      
  premise they may be without concealed weapons permits.  MR.                  
  STUARD suggested the fees for permits should be similar to                   
  Washington; $5 dollars for five years.  He believes $125 for                 
  three years is prohibitive.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 400                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY replied the latest amendments to HB 351 revise                   
  the permit fee to $100 for five years.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 407                                                                   
                                                                               
  RUSS MORRISON testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.                       
                                                                               
  Number 411                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Bethel teleconference site.                         
                                                                               
  Number 419                                                                   
                                                                               
  ROGER ROTHSCHILD testified in favor of HB 351.  He noted                     
  since the 1978 handgun ban in Washington D.C., the murder                    
  rate has increased 200 percent, while the population has                     
  decreased 20 percent.  MR. ROTHSCHILD cited the following                    
  statistics from the U.S. Department of Justice, Borough of                   
  Justice Statistics, National Institute for Justice                           
  Victimization.  "70 percent of all violent crimes are                        
  committed by six percent of all criminals.  Thirty five                      
  states and 128 localities are under court orders to release                  
  criminals to our streets.  Two out of three released                         
  criminals will be arrested again within 36 months.  More                     
  than half are released while awaiting trial, of those 20                     
  percent escaped, 16 percent commit another crime while                       
  released.  For every 100 serious crimes committed, only five                 
  criminals go to prison, where they serve an average of one                   
  third of their sentence.  The result, five out of six                        
  Americans will be victims of violent crime, or attempted                     
  violent crime,..."  MR. ROTHSCHILD noted Weiner v.                           
  Metropolitan Police Transportation Authority in New York                     
  City.  In this case, the court stated the city was not                       
  obligated to provide protection to individuals.  Warren v.                   
  District of Columbia, 1981, the court ruled under sovereign                  
  immunity no government agency is required to private                         
  protection.  MR. ROTHSCHILD cited these cases to prove the                   
  need for personal protection.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 465                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Fairbanks teleconference site.                      
                                                                               
  Number 467                                                                   
                                                                               
  WAYNE HORINE testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                    
  felt these bills would not provide a "wild west atmosphere"                  
  in Alaska.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 476                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARC FARRINGTON testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                 
  referred to the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution to                    
  establish the public's right to bear arms.  He felt with HB
  351, he would better be able to protect his family and make                  
  Alaska a safer place to live.                                                
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY asked each teleconference site to send a list of                 
  individuals who wished to testify and also the written                       
  testimony of those who will not be able to.  Mat-Su                          
  teleconference site continued the testimony.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 495                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARK CHRYSON, STATE FIELD COORDINATOR, GUN OWNERS OF                         
  AMERICA, asked CHAIR VEZEY if HB 351 and HJR 40 would pass                   
  out of the committee today.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 499                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY replied passing HB 351 and HJR 40 was possible                   
  because a quorum was present, however, the subcommittee for                  
  HB 351 may want to make additional changes after hearing the                 
  testimony.  His intent was to finalize the changes on                        
  Monday, hear HB 351 again on Tuesday for a technical review,                 
  and  possibly pass it out of committee then.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 504                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. CHRYSON questioned page 3, line 19 of HB 351, regarding                  
  the use of an individual's social security number.  He                       
  reminded the committee of a lawsuit the state lost when they                 
  required a social security number from an individual.  He                    
  felt this conflict could be avoided by eliminating this part                 
  of HB 351.                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY clarified, the latest amendments to HB 351, no                   
  longer include the social security number requirement.  A                    
  valid picture I.D., such as a driver's license, is now                       
  required.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 524                                                                   
                                                                               
  ROY W. WHITE, licensed psychotherapist, testified in favor                   
  of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He spoke specifically to the                          
  perceived law enforcement resistance on some parts of HB
  351.  "The law enforcement perspection often is distorted as                 
  to the validity of citizen arms carried, because of the                      
  distorted sample with which the law enforcement individuals                  
  come into contact."  MR. WHITE stated "2.4 million U.S.                      
  citizens deter crime annually by the use of a firearm.  This                 
  also can be verbal reference to the firearm or the mere                      
  presentation of the firearm.  This indicates that the police                 
  department come only in contact with those people where the                  
  situation has deteriorated to a shooting.  So it does give a                 
  distorted view of what the capabilities of the American                      
  public are, in terms of the view of law enforcement."  MR.                   
  WHITE addressed the issue of concealed carry versus open                     
  carry and pointed out that with open carry particularly, if                  
  the victim is a female or an elderly person, a mugger or                     
  criminal-intent person will immediately notice and attempt                   
  to neutralize the weapon.  MR. WHITE stated he thinks it's                   
  imperative that a person has the right to carry their own                    
  protection and carry it in a concealed manner.                               
                                                                               
  Number 555                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Delta Junction teleconference site.                 
                                                                               
  Number 558                                                                   
                                                                               
  GENE OTTENSTROER testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.                    
  He asked the committee what the term "concealed weapons"                     
  included in types of weapons.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 562                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY answered that by statutory definition, a                         
  concealed weapon includes everything but an ordinary pocket                  
  knife.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 564                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. OTTENSTOER asked if that statute was a means of taking                   
  guns away from the public?                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 570                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY believed the statute has been effective for                      
  about 30 years.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 584                                                                   
                                                                               
  BERNARD GOODNO testified in favor of HB 351.  He believed                    
  the screening process would be effective to weed out                         
  undesirable individuals who apply for the permit.  He                        
  stated, "Florida has issued 180,000 concealed carry permits                  
  and has only revoked eight."                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 607                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Nome teleconference site.                           
                                                                               
  Number 607                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN HANDELAND testified in favor of HB 351.  He believed                    
  that in his line of work, a handgun carried openly would                     
  attract attention and may cause more confrontation than by                   
  allowing a weapon to be concealed.  Individuals should be                    
  registered so police may know who is carrying firearms.  He                  
  was concerned about the restrictions in AS 18.65.755 because                 
  smaller communities have several buildings which house state                 
  or federal as well as public offices.  If this provision was                 
  enacted, he felt buildings should be properly marked to                      
  inform individuals of buildings where firearms are                           
  prohibited.  MR. HANDELAND did like the training aspect of                   
  HB 351.  He emphasized AS 18.65.770 would propose a problem                  
  by not allowing municipalities to determine specific gun                     
  prohibited areas.  He asked if AS 18.65.770 was addressing                   
  the qualification to hold a firearm or where it may not be                   
  possessed.  In Nome, for example, carrying a gun into a                      
  tavern or bar is prohibited.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 656                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY responded MR. HANDELAND's concerns had been                      
  addressed by the subcommittee and they are still under                       
  debate.  Testimony continued in Seward.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 660                                                                   
                                                                               
  TOM WALKER, SEWARD CHIEF OF POLICE, testified in opposition                  
  to HB 351 and HJR 40.  MR. WALKER questioned how firearm                     
  competency could be shown before issuing a license.  The                     
  psychological stress for a private citizen when carrying or                  
  shooting a firearm will also be difficult to judge.  He                      
  noted the constant training that officers undergo to learn                   
  how to shoot at the proper time, and voiced his concern                      
  about private citizens responding inappropriately and                        
  shooting irresponsibly.  With HJR 40, he questioned how                      
  people who are mentally incompetent, convicted felons, or                    
  intoxicated will be controlled with an unlimited right to                    
  bear arms.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 680                                                                   
                                                                               
  VALERIE MAXWELL testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  As                 
  a victim of rape, having also been trained in firearm use,                   
  she felt no one could properly be prepared for a life                        
  threatening situation.  She did, however, feel a firearm                     
  would have been a help to her in her situation.                              
                                                                               
  TAPE 94-12, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Homer teleconference site.                          
                                                                               
  PATRICK JOHNSON, a 13-year hunter education instructor and                   
  3-year personal protection instructor, testified in favor of                 
  HB 351 and HJR 40.  MR. JOHNSON questioned the qualification                 
  courses required in HB 351.  He felt people should be                        
  educated in what their rights really are and what problems                   
  they may encounter.  A hunter education course would only                    
  provide the safety aspect, not the legal aspects.  He also                   
  questioned the permit fees of HB 351.                                        
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY asked MR. JOHNSON to be more specific about his                  
  question of fees.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 076                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. JOHNSON felt the fees were too high.  Single women                       
  raising a family may not have the funds available to buy a                   
  permit.  He knew background checks cost more money, but felt                 
  the renewal fee should be less.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 094                                                                   
                                                                               
  WARREN TROY testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                     
  believed the police should aid in public peace, not hinder                   
  it.                                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 134                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Valdez teleconference site.                         
                                                                               
  DANIEL JAMES CAMPBELL testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR
  40.  He referred to a man in Anchorage who successfully                      
  defended his wife by killing his perpetrator with a 380                      
  automatic when he was abducted at an ATM machine.  Four out                  
  of four police officers he has spoken with in Valdez support                 
  HB 351.  He does not believe it should be easy to obtain a                   
  gun and a screening process should be required.  After                       
  moving to Alaska 10 years ago, he tried to request a permit                  
  for a handgun.  He felt the police were intimidating and                     
  ill-mannered.  In response to his request for a permit,  the                 
  police chief replied, "We don't have concealed weapons                       
  permits, if you can't carry your gun out in the open, you                    
  don't need to be carrying it at all."  Carrying a concealed                  
  weapon license should be a privilege like driver's and                       
  hunting licenses.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 242                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARK L. CRADDUCK testified in support of HB 351 and HJR 40.                  
  He felt that in a time of social restriction, HB 351 and HJR
  40 would set an example and encourage other people                           
  throughout the nation to stand up for their rights.                          
                                                                               
  Number 256                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Petersburg teleconference site.                     
                                                                               
  JOHN OLSON testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He is a                 
  NRA member and instructor.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 278                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Anchorage teleconference site.                      
                                                                               
  (REPRESENTATIVE KOTT left the room at 8:55 a.m.)                             
                                                                               
  BENJAMIN SHERBURNE testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.                  
  MR. SHERBURNE cited JUSTICE HUGO BLACK in reference to the                   
  Bill of Rights, "It is my belief that there are absolutes in                 
  our Bill of Rights, and that they were put there on purpose                  
  by men who knew what words meant.  And they meant their                      
  prohibitions to be absolutes."  HB 351 would reaffirm (our)                  
  rights.  He did not agree with the breakdown of the fees,                    
  believing $100 was too high for a renewal.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 330                                                                   
                                                                               
  SYLVAN MORGAN, PRESIDENT, ALASKA COMPETITIVE SHOOTERS                        
  ORGANIZATION and PROGRAM COORDINATOR, ALASKA RIFLE CLUB,                     
  testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He believed                        
  American citizens are responsible and will be able to handle                 
  carrying concealed firearms.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 371                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved back to Juneau for testimony.                              
                                                                               
  Number 375                                                                   
                                                                               
  DEBORAH SMITH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH                      
  BOARD, testified in opposition to Section 18.65.705(4),                      
  qualifications to obtain a permit, in HB 351.  The                           
  department remains neutral on the rest of the bill.  Section                 
  18.65.705(4) presumes an "antiquated state" for those who                    
  are suffering from a mental illness.  HB 351 presumes anyone                 
  committed, voluntarily or involuntarily, to a treatment                      
  facility, is capable of violent action.  MS. SMITH believed                  
  this is not true.  Being mentally ill is not a criminal                      
  offense.  HB 351 could be revised to not discriminate                        
  against the mentally ill.  Those committed voluntarily and                   
  involuntarily could be separated.  HB 351 may limit the                      
  number of people seeking treatment voluntarily because of                    
  the stigma which will be connected to it.  MS. SMITH pointed                 
  out the five year waiting period for the mentally ill to                     
  obtain a permit would not be feasible.  After such a long                    
  time, a doctor could no longer advise if an individual was                   
  of sound mind.  She would like to work with the subcommittee                 
  to make HB 351 more plausible.                                               
                                                                               
  Number 438                                                                   
                                                                               
  LEONARD ABEL, DIVISION OF MENTAL HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENTAL                    
  DISABILITIES, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES,                      
  stated his department was neutral on HB 351.  Their concerns                 
  mainly deal with mental illness and substance abuse.  He                     
  noted the requirement for a clean state of mind from a                       
  psychiatrist would not always be viable, because the                         
  majority of people are seen by clinical psychologists or                     
  social workers.  With substance abuse,  most are treated by                  
  certified substance abuse counselors.  MR. ABEL believed                     
  there would be a problem in relying on individuals to                        
  disclose all past treatment.  There is also a difference                     
  between controllable and curable illnesses.  Manic                           
  depression due to a polar disorder or schizophrenia can be                   
  controlled, but not cured.  Situational depression because                   
  of life stresses can be cured.  In controllable illnesses no                 
  one can say if the illness is gone.  Stating mental illness                  
  is a disability may conflict with the Americans For                          
  Disabilities Act.                                                            
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY commented "He would like to see the day when the                 
  U.S. government sued the State of Alaska for not its'                        
  citizens carry a weapon; that would be a most unique event".                 
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG wanted to know MR. ABEL's affiliation.                 
                                                                               
  Number 486                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. ABEL repeated he was with the DIVISION OF MENTAL HEALTH                  
  AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND                     
  SOCIAL SERVICES.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 490                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG asked what percentage of the mentally                  
  ill population was MR. ABEL referring to.                                    
                                                                               
  MR. ABEL replied approximately one percent of the population                 
  will have schizophrenia at some point in their life, about a                 
  third of one percent will have bipolar disorder at some                      
  point in their life, in Alaska this amounts to about 5,500                   
  people.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 497                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER asked for an estimate of the substance                  
  abuse population and who would certify a person had been                     
  alcohol free for three years immediately preceeding the                      
  application.  She noted people who are cited for driving                     
  under the influence voluntarily seek alcohol treatment                       
  programs to save their jobs, etc.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 507                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. ABEL said substance abuse was not his area of expertise,                 
  but he believed roughly nine percent of the population                       
  nationwide will have a substance abuse problem.  A certified                 
  substance abuse counselor with the Division of Alcohol and                   
  Drug Abuse would do the majority of the treatment, and would                 
  be more likely to certify the patients health than a                         
  psychologist.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 517                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Kodiak teleconference site.                         
                                                                               
  Number 522                                                                   
                                                                               
  REXENE OLSON, KODIAK ISLAND SPORTSMEN ASSOCIATION and KODIAK                 
  ISLAND NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION GRASSROOTS, testified in                   
  favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  She does not believe her role                   
  in life is to be a victim and she wants to be able to                        
  protect herself.  She recently discussed HB 351 with a                       
  policeman and he stated after hearing the testimony, he                      
  realized honest citizens could be a help to the police                       
  force, instead of just putting more guns on the street.                      
                                                                               
  Number 543                                                                   
                                                                               
  MIKE MILLIGAN testified in favor of HB 351 and against HJR
  40.  He referred to the Brady Bill and how he believed it                    
  disenfranchised women.  He referred to his trip to East St.                  
  Louis and how all of the store operators wore handguns.  He                  
  noticed this presence and observed the lack of violence in                   
  the area.  People should be allowed the autonomy to protect                  
  themselves in a violent situation.  MR. MILLIGAN opposed HJR
  40 where "private state or political subdivision of the                      
  state" is included.  He noted the need to pass ordinances to                 
  protect school campuses in different areas.  He noted his                    
  local health center as an example of a place which needs to                  
  have the carriage of firearms prohibited.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 605                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the North Pole teleconference site.                     
                                                                               
  Number 606                                                                   
                                                                               
  CASEY WHEELER testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                   
  felt if he was qualified to fight for his country, he should                 
  be qualified to carry a concealed weapon.  To save money, he                 
  offered the suggestion that military personnel release their                 
  background checks because they have already been done.                       
                                                                               
  Number 620                                                                   
                                                                               
  BYRON NASH testified in favor of HB 351.  He believed police                 
  were reactive, not proactive.  The best defense against                      
  armed psychopaths is armed citizens.  Criminals are already                  
  armed and people should be able to even the odds.  He                        
  emphasized the state should reexamine the administrative                     
  costs and lower the fees.                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 637                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Ketchikan teleconference site.                      
                                                                               
  Number 640                                                                   
                                                                               
  SCOTT CORYELL testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                   
  believed HB 351 would give the people the right to defend                    
  themselves.  Being a deckhand, he liked the provision which                  
  prevents individuals from carrying weapons on the Alaska                     
  state ferry system.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 653                                                                   
                                                                               
  ANDREA JACOBSON, police officer in Ketchikan, testified                      
  against HB 351.  She had two reasons:  1) HB 351 is                          
  unnecessary, as citizens can already carry weapons openly                    
  and protect themselves; and 2) a police officer's job would                  
  be much more dangerous because after honest, responsible                     
  citizens may be approved for concealed carriage permits,                     
  they can still get drunk and take drugs which vary their                     
  usual personality.                                                           
                                                                               
  Number 682                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Bethel teleconference site.                         
                                                                               
  ROGER ROTHSCHILD testified HJR 40 would strengthen the 2nd                   
  Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 688                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Kenai/Soldotna teleconference site.                 
                                                                               
  JIM JENCKES testified in support of HB 351.  He believed                     
  citizens are responsible enough to carry arms, as proven in                  
  readings from the National Rifle Association.                                
                                                                               
  TAPE 94-13, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. JENCKES continued his testimony with a dislike for the                   
  high fees and noted AS 18.65.755 was too restrictive by not                  
  allowing the firearms in certain buildings.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 034                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARLENE MEYER testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  As a                 
  woman, she felt a concealed weapon would be the only way to                  
  effectively protect herself.  She expressed the fees were                    
  too high.  MS. MEYER quoted, "All it takes for the forces of                 
  evil to rule this world is for enough good people to do                      
  nothing."                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 063                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Delta Junction teleconference site.                 
                                                                               
  Number 068                                                                   
                                                                               
  RICHARD MITCHELL testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.                    
  He emphasized, as he is often outdoors, applying a firearm                   
  holster on top of his clothing, could be quite difficult.                    
  He also felt the fees were too high.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 101                                                                   
                                                                               
  PAT MCKEEN, veteran, testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR
  40.  He believed, due to the "new world order", the                          
  government will attempt to take away all of the firearms                     
  from the public.  In a state of repression, he stated, the                   
  government is wary of the public taking up arms.                             
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Glennallen teleconference site.                     
                                                                               
  Number 145                                                                   
                                                                               
  AUSTIN MAHALKEY testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                 
  asked for only a one time fee to receive a permit, unless                    
  otherwise revoked.                                                           
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY reminded the teleconference sites REPRESENTATIVE                 
  JEANNETTE JAMES is the sponsor of HB 351.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 158                                                                   
                                                                               
  EDWARD KNOEBEL questioned page 4, line 15 of HB 351, and                     
  wanted to know if the National Guard and the State Guard                     
  would qualify under this provision.  He is retired from the                  
  Navy and is currently the 1st Sergeant for the 2nd Air                       
  Commander of the State Guard.                                                
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY replied firearm proficiency from the Armed                       
  Forces would qualify as proficient in firearms in HB 351.                    
  Testimony continued with the Fairbanks teleconference site.                  
                                                                               
  DOUG SWEET testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                      
  noted the shortage of Alaska State Troopers in Fairbanks and                 
  the large area they must cover.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 198                                                                   
                                                                               
  CLARENCE BAYSINGER testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.                  
  He believed HJR 40 would strengthen the original intentions                  
  of our founding fathers to protect the public from an                        
  overbearing government.  He also felt citizens should be                     
  responsible for themselves.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 228                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Mat-Su teleconference site.                         
                                                                               
  PHU LE WHITE testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  She                   
  has participated in NRA training and she would to be able to                 
  protect herself as a woman.                                                  
                                                                               
  (REPRESENTATIVE KOTT returned to the meeting at 9:45)                        
                                                                               
  Number 250                                                                   
                                                                               
  GERALD ANDERSON, former marine and policeman, testified in                   
  favor of HB 351.  MR. ANDERSON cited "Vermont has no                         
  restrictions, any kind of gun restrictions, and they have                    
  one of lowest crime rates in the nation."  He stated Arizona                 
  is in the process of enacting the same law as HB 351 in                      
  Alaska.  He asked the committee if they could recall a case                  
  where a policeman had been robbed or a policewoman had been                  
  raped.  Because of the rarity of these situations, he                        
  believed the people should be allowed to carry weapons.  "An                 
  unarmed nation, is a weak nation," stated MR. ANDERSON.                      
                                                                               
  Number 281                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to the Homer teleconference site.                          
                                                                               
  Number 287                                                                   
                                                                               
  ALBERT SORENSEN testified in favor of HJR 40 and against HB
  351.  MR. SORENSEN noted Article 6 and the 2nd Amendment of                  
  the U.S. Constitution to argue against HB 351.  These                        
  sections provide wording which makes HB 351 unnecessary.                     
  Article 1, Section 19 of the Alaska State Constitution,                      
  right to bear arms, was another example.  Article 7, Section                 
  9 of the Alaska State Constitution he stated, makes the                      
  provisions of the Constitution self-executing whenever                       
  possible.  AS 11.61.220, as being amended by HB 351, would                   
  be in conflict with both the U.S. and Alaska Constitution.                   
  He believed HB 351 would infringe on the rights of honest                    
  citizens and AS 11.61.220 would be invalid.                                  
                                                                               
  (REPRESENTATIVE ULMER left the meeting at 9:50)                              
                                                                               
  Number 330                                                                   
                                                                               
  BEAVER BENTLEY testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  MR.                 
  BENTLEY stated the Long Island train shooting incident,                      
  which happened two weeks ago, could have been of much less                   
  severity if one of the individuals aboard had a license for                  
  a concealed weapon.  He also reminded the committee of an                    
  incident in Texas where a man crashed his truck into a                       
  restaurant and came out shooting with two guns.  One woman                   
  in the restaurant, he said, commented if she only had her                    
  gun on her, and not in the car, she would have been able to                  
  stop the man within three of his shots.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 347                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY moved to an offnet teleconference site in                        
  Virginia for a witness asked to testify by REPRESENTATIVE                    
  JEANNETTE JAMES.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 354                                                                   
                                                                               
  CRAIG D. SANDLAR, DIRECTOR OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES,                    
  NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION and RETIRED CHIEF OF POLICE,                      
  testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40.  He stated, even                    
  with the thousands of permits he has issued, the murder rate                 
  in his community has continued to decrease.  The people                      
  applying for permits are not the same people who are                         
  committing the crimes.  He emphasized when the 1987                          
  concealed weapons law was passed in Florida, it received the                 
  same criticism.  Florida has experienced a 21 percent                        
  decrease in homicides over five years.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 380                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY stated the committee has expressed their support                 
  for HB 351 and they are working on it very hard to make it a                 
  good.  Areas such as permit fees, local determination,                       
  mental health and substance abuse will still be addressed.                   
  Testimony continued with the Anchorage teleconference site.                  
                                                                               
  Number 404                                                                   
                                                                               
  GARY LUDWIG testified in favor of HB 351 and HJR 40, with                    
  minor exceptions.  HB 351 needs to address nonviolent                        
  felons, such as those who miss child support payments, in a                  
  different category than violent felons.  Fingerprinting may                  
  be substituted with a "read only memory strip" on a driver's                 
  license which indicates an individual's criminal record.                     
  This record could be installed on the cards for a fee.  Gun                  
  Owners of America has legislation out on the "read only                      
  memory strip."                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 437                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY pointed out not paying child support is only a                   
  violation, not a felony.  Fingerprinting has been                            
  eliminated, reducing the cost to the Department of Public                    
  Safety in processing the application.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 445                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS commented to MR. LUDWIG that a bill                   
  was introduced on February 12 that refers to driver's                        
  licenses on gun bills.  REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS noted MR.                     
  LUDWIG's phone number and informed him he would be                           
  personally contacted with the bill number when it is read                    
  across the floor.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 452                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHRIS SULLIVAN testified in favor HB 351 and HJR 40.  He                     
  asked REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS for a copy of the bill he                       
  mentioned.  MR. SULLIVAN realized the danger police are in                   
  everyday on the streets, and expressed he would notify them                  
  of his firearm if required to do so.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 464                                                                   
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIR VEZEY terminated the teleconference and encouraged                     
  written testimony.  Hearing no more business before the                      
  committee, CHAIR VEZEY adjourned the meeting at 10:02 a.m.                   
                                                                               
  ANNOUNCEMENTS:                                                               
                                                                               
  The Subcommittee on the Alaska Railroad will meet in Room                    
  102, February 12, 1994, at 1 p.m.                                            

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