Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/11/1993 08:00 AM STA

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             HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                            
                         March 11, 1993                                        
                            8:00 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Al Vezey, Chairman                                            
  Representative Pete Kott, Vice Chairman                                      
  Representative Harley Olberg                                                 
  Representative Jerry Sanders                                                 
  Representative Gary Davis                                                    
  Representative Fran Ulmer                                                    
  Representative Bettye Davis                                                  
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  None                                                                         
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  HB 81     "An Act relating to the longevity bonus program."                  
                                                                               
            COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE MOVED WITH A DO PASS                          
            RECOMMENDATION                                                     
                                                                               
  *HCR 1    Proposing amendments to the Uniform Rules of the                   
            Alaska State Legislature relating to presiding                     
            officers pro tempore; and providing for an                         
            effective date.                                                    
                                                                               
            MOVED FROM COMMITTEE WITH NO RECOMMENDATIONS                       
                                                                               
  *HB 119   "An Act authorizing a sentencing court to impose a                 
            sentence of a day fine instead of a sentence of                    
            imprisonment on a defendant convicted of a                         
            misdemeanor; directing the Alaska Supreme Court to                 
            develop and implement a day fine plan; requiring                   
            the Department of Corrections to report to the                     
            legislature on the use of day fines; amending                      
            Alaska Rule of Criminal Procedure 32; and                          
            providing for an effective date."                                  
                                                                               
            MOVED FROM COMMITTEE WITH INDIVIDUAL                               
            RECOMMENDATIONS                                                    
                                                                               
  *HB 142   "An Act relating to enhanced 911 emergency                         
            reporting systems; and providing for an effective                  
            date."                                                             
                                                                               
            HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION                        
                                                                               
  (* first public hearing)                                                     
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  Representative Bettye Davis                                                  
  State Capitol                                                                
  Court Building, Room 600                                                     
  Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                   
  465-3875                                                                     
  Position Statement: Prime Sponsor of HCR 1                                   
                                                                               
  Representative Fran Ulmer                                                    
  State Capitol                                                                
  Court Building, Room 601                                                     
  Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                   
  465-4947                                                                     
  Position Statement: Prime Sponsor of HB 119 and HB 142                       
                                                                               
  Charles S. Christensen, III, Staff Counsel                                   
  Alaska Court System                                                          
  303 K Street                                                                 
  Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                     
  (907) 264-8228                                                               
  Position Statement: Supported the concept of HB 119                          
                                                                               
  John George, Lobbyist                                                        
  Alaska State Fire Fighters Association                                       
  Alaska State Fire Chiefs Association                                         
  9515 Moraine Way                                                             
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
  (907) 789-0172                                                               
  Position Statement: Supported the concept of HB 142                          
                                                                               
  Larry Fanning, Chief                                                         
  Capital City Fire/Rescue                                                     
  820 Glacier Avenue                                                           
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
  (907) 586-5322                                                               
  Position Statement: Suggested an amendment to HB 142                         
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 81                                                                 
  SHORT TITLE:  PHASE OUT LONGEVITY BONUS                                      
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S):  RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                
  TITLE: "An Act relating to the longevity bonus program."                     
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  01/22/93       130    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/22/93       130    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,                        
                              FINANCE                                          
  01/22/93       130    (H)   -2 FNS (ADM)   1/22/93                           
  01/22/93       130    (H)   GOVERNOR'S TRANSMITTAL LETTER                    
  02/02/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  02/02/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/06/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  02/13/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  02/13/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/13/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/13/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/13/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/13/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/13/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/13/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/27/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  02/27/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  02/27/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  03/09/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  03/09/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  03/09/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  03/11/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HCR 1                                                                 
  SHORT TITLE:  PRESIDING OFFICER PRO TEMPORE                                  
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S):  REPRESENTATIVE(S) B.DAVIS                                       
  TITLE: Proposing amendments to the Uniform Rules of the                      
  Alaska State Legislature relating to presiding officers pro                  
  tempore; and providing for an effective date.                                
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  01/11/93        21    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/11/93        21    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY                         
  03/04/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  03/11/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 119                                                                
  SHORT TITLE:  AUTHORIZE USE OF DAY FINES IN MISD. CASES                      
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S):  REPRESENTATIVE(S) ULMER,B.Davis,Davies,Brown                    
  TITLE: "An Act authorizing a sentencing court to impose a                    
  sentence of a day fine instead of a sentence of imprisonment                 
  on a defendant convicted of a misdemeanor; directing the                     
  Alaska Supreme Court to develop and implement a day fine                     
  plan; requiring the Department of Corrections to report to                   
  the legislature on the use of day fines; amending Alaska                     
  Rule of Criminal Procedure 32; and providing for an                          
  effective date."                                                             
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  02/03/93       214    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  02/03/93       215    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,                        
                              FINANCE                                          
  03/11/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 142                                                                
  SHORT TITLE:  ENHANCED 911 SYSTEMS                                           
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S):  REPRESENTATIVE(S) ULMER                                         
  TITLE: "An Act relating to enhanced 911 emergency reporting                  
  systems; and providing for an effective date."                               
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  02/10/93       291    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  02/10/93       291    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS,  L&C, FINANCE                     
  03/11/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-28, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN AL VEZEY called the House State Affairs Committee                   
  to order at 8:00 a.m. on Thursday, March 11.  All members                    
  were present at the call to order.                                           
  HB 81:  PHASE OUT LONGEVITY BONUS                                            
                                                                               
  Number 019                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of the committee substitute                    
  (CSHB 81 (STA)) and called for any discussion.                               
                                                                               
  Number 028                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HARLEY OLBERG MOVED for ADOPTION of CSHB 81                   
  (STA).                                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 032                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PETE KOTT informed the chair he had an                        
  amendment to offer and asked which version the amendment                     
  might be considered under.                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY informed him the amendment would be                           
  considered as part of CSHB 81 (STA).                                         
                                                                               
  Number 050                                                                   
                                                                               
  CSHB 81 (STA) was ADOPTED by the committee by a 5-2 vote,                    
  Representatives Vezey, Kott, Olberg, Sanders and G. Davis                    
  voted yes; Representatives Ulmer and B. Davis voted no.                      
                                                                               
  Number 060                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT INTRODUCED his AMENDMENT to CSHB 81                      
  (STA), which proposed terminating the program in FY 2009,                    
  and had the effect of "stepping down" the amount paid under                  
  the bonus by $12.50 each year.  He stated the costs to the                   
  state would fall immediately under his plan and would be                     
  about half as much as HB 81's original step-down plan.                       
                                                                               
  Number 111                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE FRAN ULMER asked for clarification of who                     
  would qualify under the amendment, and whether or not a                      
  grandfather clause had been included.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 121                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT explained all seniors over the age of 65                 
  would qualify for the bonus, and no grandfather clause had                   
  been built into the amendment.  He stated the length of the                  
  step-down gave senior Alaskans a better chance to plan their                 
  financial future while cutting state costs faster than HB
  81.                                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 146                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY noted the $3 million reduction in the first                   
  year after implementation of the amendment, and the                          
  progressive step-down until 2009.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 172                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JERRY SANDERS asked if it was fiscally wise                   
  to step down the program to $50 a month in the final years                   
  of the plan, since the administrative costs and the overhead                 
  would either remain the same or increase during the same                     
  period.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 192                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY stated more checks would be going out for                     
  smaller amounts, then asked for more discussion.                             
                                                                               
  Number 208                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE GARY DAVIS MOVED for ADOPTION of the                          
  AMENDMENT to CSHB 81 (STA).                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 221                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT's AMENDMENT to CSHB 81 (STA) FAILED 3-4,                 
  with Representatives G. Davis, Kott, and B. Davis voting                     
  yes; and Chairman Vezey, Representatives Olberg, Sanders and                 
  Ulmer voting no.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 227                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS MOVED passage of CSHB 81 (STA) from                   
  committee.  CSHB 81 (STA) PASSED from committee by a 6-1                     
  vote. Representative B. Davis voted no.                                      
  HCR 1:  PRESIDING OFFICER PRO TEMPORE                                        
                                                                               
  Number 251                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of HCR 1 and invited its                       
  sponsor, Representative Bettye Davis, to give her statement.                 
                                                                               
  Number 256                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BETTYE DAVIS, PRIME SPONSOR OF HCR 1, noted                   
  the resolution did not affect any private citizens, only                     
  members of the legislature.  She explained HCR 1 was                         
  designed to increase the number of leadership positions in                   
  the house for two reasons:  To aid in training new members                   
  of the legislature who might fill leadership positions; and,                 
  to help women gain needed experience.  She noted 37 other                    
  states have Speaker Pro Tems within the structure of their                   
  legislatures.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 287                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked why Representative B. Davis wanted to                   
  change the current system.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 306                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE B. DAVIS explained HCR 1 would aid in the                     
  efficiency in the House of Representatives, especially when                  
  the Speaker was unavailable, and it would also aid in                        
  training house leaders.                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 323                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG asked who would preside when the                       
  Speaker was absent.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 325                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE B. DAVIS explained that would be one of the                   
  duties the Speaker Pro Tem would undertake, as well as other                 
  duties the Speaker specified.  She explained that under the                  
  current system, the Majority Leader usually took over the                    
  chair, which left a hole in the house leadership.                            
                                                                               
  Number 345                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked if the Majority Whip might take                    
  over for the Majority Leader in that situation.                              
                                                                               
  Number 350                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE B. DAVIS explained that usually happened, but                 
  it was not effective.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 362                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY noted the Speaker Pro Tem in other states                     
  usually took over ceremonial duties from the Speaker, which                  
  could lighten the load on the leadership.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 372                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE B. DAVIS stated she did not create HCR 1 with                 
  ceremonial duties in mind, but the Speaker would have it at                  
  his or her discretion to assign them.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 389                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER MOVED passage of HCR 1.  Without                        
  objections, HCR 1 was MOVED from committee by a unanimous                    
  vote.                                                                        
                                                                               
  HB 119: AUTHORIZE USE OF DAY FINES IN MISD. CASES                            
                                                                               
  Number 405                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of HB 119 and asked its                        
  sponsor, Representative Fran Ulmer for her comments.                         
                                                                               
  Number 410                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE FRAN ULMER, PRIME SPONSOR OF HB 119,                          
  explained the motivation of HB 119 was to deal with the                      
  increasing caseload in the courts and to alleviate prison                    
  overcrowding in Alaska.  She explained that under the system                 
  convicts would be fined based on their daily salary, no                      
  violent criminals would be considered under the program, and                 
  judges would have discretion when to employ day fines.                       
                                                                               
  Number 467                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked what would happen to those with                 
  no daily income.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 469                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER explained that permanent fund checks                    
  were always available for fine payments, and in most cases,                  
  people had some form of income that could be tracked down.                   
  She noted under the statute, the court could also levy fines                 
  against future earnings, while retaining the option of                       
  either jail time or probation.                                               
                                                                               
  Number 488                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked if the day fines' statute would                    
  apply for crimes with mandatory sentencing.                                  
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER replied in the negative.                                
                                                                               
  Number 495                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked if the plan would discriminate,                    
  since many richer people would be able to walk free under                    
  the plan, while those with no money would not have the                       
  option.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 500                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER deferred the question to the Alaska                     
  Court System's representative in attendance.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 505                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHARLES S. CHRISTENSEN, III, STAFF COUNSEL, ALASKA COURT                     
  SYSTEM, explained that the State Supreme Court supported the                 
  concept behind HB 119, saying it would give judges more                      
  sentencing discretion, which would alleviate prison                          
  crowding, and simultaneously bring in more money into the                    
  general fund.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 520                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked the number of misdemeanant days                         
  currently being served in Alaska prisons.                                    
                                                                               
  MR. CHRISTENSEN referred the committee to the Department of                  
  Corrections, noting inmates might not serve the entire                       
  sentence imposed by the court, since they might earn "good                   
  time" while in custody.                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 536                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT reiterated his question about rich                       
  people being able to walk away from prison, while poor                       
  people would not have the option to pay.                                     
                                                                               
  MR. CHRISTENSEN explained that under the current system, the                 
  highest misdemeanor fine was $5,000.  He noted judges tried                  
  to treat similar misdemeanants the same, which meant that                    
  most of the time, $250 fines were routinely handed out,                      
  since most people could afford that.  He explained that                      
  meant rich people were getting off far easier than they                      
  might under the day fine system.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 563                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked what would happen if other                         
  attachments were made to a misdemeanant's permanent fund                     
  check.                                                                       
                                                                               
  MR. CHRISTENSEN explained a priority list for attaching                      
  permanent fund checks for court fines now exists.                            
                                                                               
  Number 582                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked if a system was already in place                   
  to impose day fine penalties.                                                
                                                                               
  MR. CHRISTENSEN explained a statute passed several years ago                 
  which prohibited the imposition of fines on an ability to                    
  pay basis, and several laws would have to be modified or                     
  repealed.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 592                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER concurred with Mr. Christensen's                        
  assessment, and said a bigger problem was that the maximum                   
  fines in Alaska were low, and judges had little discretion                   
  in imposing them.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 598                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. CHRISTENSEN noted under the day fine system, a schedule                  
  to impose fines would be laid out, and the result would be a                 
  more equitable treatment of misdemeanants.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 605                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked if misdemeanants had a right to trial.                  
                                                                               
  MR. CHRISTENSEN replied in the affirmative.                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY then asked for an estimate on the cost of a                   
  misdemeanor trial.                                                           
                                                                               
  Number 612                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. CHRISTENSEN did not have exact figures, but said the                     
  cost of an average trial would exceed the average                            
  misdemeanor fine of $250.                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY reminded Mr. Christensen of an old                            
  misdemeanor penalty that gave defendants the choice of a                     
  $250 fine or five days in jail, which had been struck down.                  
  He asked if day fines would encounter a similar fate.                        
                                                                               
  Number 631                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. CHRISTENSEN said it would not, because the judge would                   
  have the penalty option, not the defendant.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 638                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked if the fines would cover the                    
  costs to the court for instituting the program.                              
                                                                               
  MR. CHRISTENSEN said every estimate he had indicated the                     
  program would pay for itself.  In response to an earlier                     
  question by Chairman Vezey, he remembered the cost for a                     
  single trial was about $600.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 653                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS was concerned about poor people                       
  dragging out the process and trying to convince the court                    
  they were too poor to pay a fine.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 659                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. CHRISTENSEN noted about 80% of the misdemeanant cases                    
  heard were defended by public advocates, and defendants were                 
  required to prove their indigence before those advocates                     
  could take their case.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 675                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER asked the committee to examine the day                  
  fine report enclosed in their packets, which detailed                        
  Europe's use of day fines, and how the U.S., in contrast,                    
  had imprisoned more people than fining them.  She suggested                  
  fines would be far more cost effective than building new                     
  prisons.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 693                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE G. DAVIS noted several other criminal justice                 
  related bills were in committee, and asked if an omnibus                     
  bill might be possible.                                                      
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-28, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER stated HB 119 was the most promising of                 
  the group of crime bills, and had the most immediate                         
  financial payback to the state.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 031                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked for and received reassurances                   
  from Representative Ulmer that day fines would not be an                     
  option for sentencing in violent crimes.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 070                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY noted the longtime problems with prison                       
  overcrowding and caseloads, and expressed his preliminary                    
  support for HB 119.                                                          
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT, speaking as a member of the Sentencing                  
  Commission, agreed with Representative Ulmer that HB 119                     
  seemed to be the most promising bill to come out of the                      
  commission, and MOVED passage.  Without objections, HB 119                   
  was moved from committee by a unanimous vote.                                
                                                                               
  HB 142:  ENHANCED 911 SYSTEMS                                                
                                                                               
  Number 135                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title to HB 142 and asked its                        
  sponsor, Representative Ulmer, for her statement.                            
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE FRAN ULMER, PRIME SPONSOR OF HB 142,                          
  explained how 911 systems would be improved through a                        
  voluntary community wide phone tariff.  She deferred to two                  
  Alaska fire fighters to provide the committee with more                      
  details about the system.                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY called for a five minute at ease at 8:55 a.m.                 
                                                                               
  Number 165                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY called the committee back to order at 9:00                    
  a.m. and began taking public testimony.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 167                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN GEORGE, LOBBYIST, ALASKA STATE FIRE FIGHTERS                            
  ASSOCIATION AND ALASKA STATE FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION,                        
  explained that both groups supported the concept of HB 142,                  
  primarily because it provided a funding mechanism that had                   
  been lacking in the past.  He also noted how enhanced 911                    
  systems could become potential lifesavers for people                         
  incapacitated by either injury, sickness or in a fire.  He                   
  also noted HB 142 probably needed amending, but did not                      
  specify how.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 204                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked Mr. George if the 50 cents per phone                    
  line charge constituted a tariff, and if the association                     
  could support such a tariff.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 206                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. GEORGE stated he recognized the charges as a tariff and                  
  supported it.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 211                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked if 50 cents per line would be adequate.                 
                                                                               
  Number 217                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. GEORGE explained how all monies collected would be                       
  dedicated to the system.  He found the figure acceptable.                    
                                                                               
  HB 166:  ENHANCED 911 SYSTEMS                                                
                                                                               
  Number 239                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG informed the committee he had heard a                  
  similar bill in the House Community and Regional Affairs                     
  Committee, HB 166, where the 50 cents figure was projected                   
  to raise between $800,000 and $1.2 million, and explained he                 
  would like to see the line charge increased.                                 
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER was open to amending HB 142.                            
                                                                               
  Number 278                                                                   
                                                                               
  LARRY FANNING, CHIEF OF CAPITOL CITY FIRE/RESCUE, testified                  
  in favor of increasing the amount to fund more sophisticated                 
  911 reporting equipment.  He asserted crews could respond                    
  more effectively with such equipment, and suggested an                       
  amendment to effect the change.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 309                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG offered to serve on a subcommittee to                  
  investigate the differences and similarities of HB 142 and                   
  HB 166.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 314                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER asked how many calls were generated in                  
  Juneau or in the state annually.                                             
                                                                               
  MR. FANNING stated Juneau police received about 20,000 calls                 
  each year, but the system only provided dispatchers with the                 
  number the call came from and not the address, a feature he                  
  advocated to save time.                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 355                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER asked the amount needed to construct                    
  such a system.                                                               
                                                                               
  MR. FANNING stated it would cost $2.3 million in equipment                   
  alone, with no personnel costs factored in.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 365                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked committee members if such a tariff                 
  constituted a dedicated fund.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 370                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER explained at length why a fund such as                  
  this would be a tariff, but because the legislature would                    
  re-appropriate the fund every year, it did not constitute a                  
  dedicated fund.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 417                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked if the 50 cent line charge would                   
  apply to businesses on every extension they owned.                           
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER explained the charge would apply only                   
  to the first 100 lines owned.                                                
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 451                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY adjourned the meeting at 9:18 a.m.                            

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