Legislature(1993 - 1994)

02/02/1993 08:00 AM STA

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             HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                            
                        February 2, 1993                                       
                            8:00 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Al Vezey, Chairman                                            
  Representative Pete Kott, Vice Chairman                                      
  Representative Harley Olberg                                                 
  Representative Gary Davis                                                    
  Representative Fran Ulmer                                                    
  Representative Bettye Davis                                                  
  Representative Jerry Sanders                                                 
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  None                                                                         
                                                                               
  OTHER HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                  
                                                                               
  Representative Brian Porter                                                  
  Representative Jerry Mackie                                                  
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  *HB 43:   "An Act relating to the crime of conspiracy."                      
                                                                               
            HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION                        
                                                                               
  *HB 69:   "An Act relating to registration of and                            
            information about sex offenders and amending                       
            Alaska Rules of Criminal Procedure 11(c) and                       
            32(b)."                                                            
                                                                               
            HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION                        
                                                                               
  *HB 81:   "An Act relating to the longevity bonus program."                  
                                                                               
            HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION                        
                                                                               
  HJR 9:    Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the                  
            State of Alaska prohibiting the imposition of                      
            state personal income taxation, state ad valorem                   
            taxation on real property, or state retail sales                   
            taxation without the approval of the voters of the                 
            state.                                                             
                                                                               
            MOVED OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH A DO PASS                              
            RECOMMENDATION                                                     
                                                                               
  HB 36:    "An Act relating to retirement incentive programs                  
            for the public employees' retirement system, the                   
            teachers' retirement system, and certain persons                   
            under the judicial retirement system; and                          
            providing for an effective date."                                  
                                                                               
            HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION                        
                                                                               
  HB 42:    An Act relating to retirement incentive programs                   
            for the public employees' retirement system, the                   
            teachers' retirement system, and certain persons                   
            under the judicial retirement system; and                          
            providing for an effective date.                                   
                                                                               
            HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION                        
  (* first public hearing)                                                     
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  Representative Brian Porter                                                  
  State Capitol, Room 122                                                      
  Juneau, AK  99811-1182                                                       
  465-3930                                                                     
  Position Statement: Prime Sponsor of HB 43                                   
                                                                               
  Richard Burton, Commissioner                                                 
  Department of Public Safety                                                  
  P.O. Box 111200                                                              
  Juneau, AK  99811-1200                                                       
  465-4322                                                                     
  Position Statement: Supported HB 43                                          
                                                                               
  Doug Wooliver, Legislative Aide                                              
   to Representative Ramona Barnes                                             
  State Capitol, Room 208                                                      
  Juneau, AK  99811-1182                                                       
  465-3438                                                                     
  Position Statement: Gave an overview of HB 69                                
                                                                               
  Mel Krogseng, Legislative Aide                                               
   to Representative Ramona Barnes                                             
  State Capitol, Room 208                                                      
  Juneau, AK  99811-1182                                                       
  465-3438                                                                     
  Position Statement: Explained CSHB 69                                        
                                                                               
  Cindy Smith, Director                                                        
  Network on Domestic Violence & Sexual Assault                                
  419 6th Street, Suite 1116                                                   
  Juneau, AK  99801                                                            
  586-3650                                                                     
  Position Statement: Supported HB 69                                          
                                                                               
  Andy Klamser                                                                 
  Council on Domestic Violence & Sexual Assault                                
  P.O. Box 111200                                                              
  Juneau, AK  99811-1200                                                       
  465-4356                                                                     
  Position Statement: Supported HB 69                                          
                                                                               
  Nancy Usera, Commissioner                                                    
  Department of Administration                                                 
  P.O. Box 110200                                                              
  Juneau, AK  99811-0200                                                       
  465-2200                                                                     
  Position Statement: Supported HB 81                                          
                                                                               
  Representative Jerry Mackie                                                  
  State Capitol                                                                
  Court Building, Room 602                                                     
  Juneau, AK  99811-1182                                                       
  465-4925                                                                     
  Position Statement: Prime Sponsor of HB 36                                   
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 43                                                                 
  SHORT TITLE: CRIME OF CONSPIRACY                                             
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) PORTER,Phillips,Olberg                         
  TITLE: "An Act relating to the crime of conspiracy."                         
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  01/11/93        35    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/11/93        35    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,                        
                              FINANCE                                          
  01/18/93       102    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): OLBERG                             
  02/02/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 69                                                                 
  SHORT TITLE: SEX OFFENDER REGISTRATION                                       
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) BARNES,Ulmer,Phillips,                         
  Nordlund,Porter,Olberg,James,B.Davis                                         
  TITLE: "An Act relating to registration of and information                   
  about sex offenders and amending Alaska Rules of Criminal                    
  Procedure 11(c) and 32(b)."                                                  
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  01/15/93        89    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/15/93        90    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,                        
                              FINANCE                                          
  01/27/93       169    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): NORDLUND                           
  01/29/93       183    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): PORTER                             
  02/01/93       202    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): OLBERG, JAMES,                     
                              B.DAVIS                                          
  02/02/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 81                                                                 
  SHORT TITLE: PHASE OUT LONGEVITY BONUS                                       
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                 
  TITLE: "An Act relating to the longevity bonus program."                     
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  01/22/93       130    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/22/93       130    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,                        
                              FINANCE                                          
  01/22/93       130    (H)   -2 FNS (ADM)   1/22/93                           
  01/22/93       130    (H)   GOVERNOR'S TRANSMITTAL LETTER                    
  02/02/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HJR 9                                                                 
  SHORT TITLE: VOTER APPROVAL FOR NEW TAXES                                    
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) MARTIN                                         
  TITLE: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the                     
  State of Alaska prohibiting the imposition of state personal                 
  income taxation, state ad valorem taxation on real property,                 
  or state retail sales taxation without the approval of the                   
  voters of the state.                                                         
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  01/04/93        23    (H)   PREFILE RELEASED                                 
  01/11/93        23    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/11/93        23    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,                        
                              FINANCE                                          
  01/19/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/21/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/21/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  01/23/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/23/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  01/26/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/26/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  01/30/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/30/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  01/30/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 36                                                                 
  SHORT TITLE: RETIREMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM                                    
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) MACKIE,Hudson,Ulmer,B.Davis,                   
  Brice                                                                        
  TITLE: "An Act relating to retirement incentive programs for                 
  the public employees' retirement system, the teachers'                       
  retirement system, and certain persons under the judicial                    
  retirement system; and providing for an effective date."                     
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  01/08/93        33    (H)   PREFILE RELEASED                                 
  01/11/93        33    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/11/93        33    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, LABOR & COMMERCE,                 
                              FINANCE                                          
  01/28/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/28/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  01/28/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  01/29/93       182    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): HUDSON- FIRST                      
                              COSPONSOR                                        
  01/29/93       182    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): B.DAVIS, BRICE                     
  01/30/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/30/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  01/30/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 42                                                                 
  SHORT TITLE: RETIREMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM                                    
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) HUDSON,Ulmer                                   
  TITLE: "An Act relating to retirement incentive programs for                 
  the public employees' retirement system, the teachers'                       
  retirement system, and certain persons under the judicial                    
  retirement system; and providing for an effective date."                     
  JRN-DATE     JRN-PG               ACTION                                     
  01/11/93        35    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/11/93        35    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, LABOR & COMMERCE,                 
                              FINANCE                                          
  01/28/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/28/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  01/28/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
  01/30/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
  01/30/93              (H)   MINUTE(STA)                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-11, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  The seventh meeting of the House State Affairs Committee was                 
  called to order at 8:00 a.m. on Tuesday, February 2, 1993,                   
  by Chairman Vezey and he noted a quorum was present.                         
  HB 43: CRIME OF CONSPIRACY                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN AL VEZEY read the title of HB 43, and invited                       
  Representative Brian Porter, the sponsor of HB 43, to                        
  testify.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 030                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BRIAN PORTER, PRIME SPONSOR of HB 43, as a                    
  former investigator stated the purpose of HB 43.  He                         
  explained the crime of conspiracy would cover only serious                   
  crimes against persons and not such things as cheating on                    
  income tax.  Felonies and unclassified felonies such as                      
  first degree murder, kidnapping, supplying narcotics to                      
  minors, and first degree crimes of assault, robbery, sexual                  
  assault, and arson were included.  These crimes included                     
  serious injury or death to a person.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 201                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked for previous history regarding                          
  conspiracy legislation.                                                      
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PORTER explained the history of other                         
  legislation including some that did not pass and why the                     
  bills did not pass.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 238                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked about charge bargaining as referred to                  
  on page 3, section 3, of HB 43.                                              
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PORTER discussed soliciting or attempting to                  
  commit a crime and defined soliciting.  He said intent must                  
  be proved beyond a reasonable doubt and the person must take                 
  a step toward completion of the act.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 298                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE FRAN ULMER shared concerns of people being                    
  framed.  She said it did not say the defendant must act.                     
  She also discussed the issue of credibility.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 328                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PORTER stated with any crime a person could                   
  be framed but it must be proved the defendant was involved.                  
                                                                               
  Number 362                                                                   
                                                                               
  RICHARD BURTON, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY,                   
  spoke in support of HB 43.  He explained the history of                      
  conspiracy bills, saying the topic was too broad in past                     
  legislation.  He stated HB 43 narrowed it down and would be                  
  a tool to use to connect the person who started the crime.                   
  He stated Alaska had the highest rate of crime per capita.                   
                                                                               
  Number 432                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BETTYE DAVIS asked questions regarding the                    
  fiscal note.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 434                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PORTER explained the fiscal notes from the                    
  Public Defender Agency and the Public Advocacy Agency.  He                   
  described the jobs and cases given to each agency.                           
                                                                               
  Number 466                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE B. DAVIS said the fiscal note was inflated.                   
                                                                               
  Number 468                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY restated the costs in the fiscal note were                    
  probably not a reflection of the change in law that would                    
  come from HB 43.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 480                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PORTER reiterated the agencies were showing                   
  within the fiscal note a cost that increased six, seven, or                  
  eight percent of their budget.                                               
                                                                               
  Number 510                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HARLEY OLBERG stated while on the finance                     
  subcommittee he was surprised at the budget costs for the                    
  Office of Public Advocacy.  He also shared his frustration                   
  over the fiscal note being worthless.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 527                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER discussed the function of the Office of                 
  Public Advocacy.  She stated the fiscal note assumed there                   
  would be twenty-five conspiracy cases annually which would                   
  increase their work load.                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 546                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PORTER said the agencies failed to recognize                  
  the cases which would be conspiracy were the same cases that                 
  would be defended and convicted from the original act                        
  performed.  Therefore, the fiscal note should reflect no                     
  increase in cost, he added.                                                  
  HB 69: SEX OFFENDER REGISTRATION                                             
                                                                               
  Number 553                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY said the committee would need to review HB 43                 
  more.  He then read the title of HB 69 and asked Doug                        
  Wooliver if he would like to speak on behalf of the sponsor,                 
  Representative Barnes.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 560                                                                   
                                                                               
  DOUG WOOLIVER, LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO REPRESENTATIVE BARNES,                    
  PRIME SPONSOR of HB 69, gave an overview of the value in                     
  registering sex offenders.  He stated attempted sexual                       
  assault convictions would also be included.  He said the                     
  registration length started after the unconditional                          
  discharge.  He gave a list of the information that would be                  
  available to the public and explained why the information                    
  would be barred by the right to privacy.  He shared                          
  statistics regarding recidivism.  The information would                      
  better protect the public by allowing background checks to                   
  be easier, he said, and spoke of other states with similar                   
  statutes.                                                                    
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-11, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 099                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked a question relating to registration in                  
  section 4, page 2, paragraph C of HB 69.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 118                                                                   
                                                                               
  MEL KROGSENG, LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO REPRESENTATIVE RAMONA                      
  BARNES, said there were areas of the North Slope where                       
  Public Safety offices were closer than a State Trooper's                     
  office.  It would be extreme to require someone to travel                    
  200 miles to register at a troopers' office when the                         
  Department of Public Safety office would be acceptable, he                   
  said.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 149                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PETE KOTT asked if HB 69 included                             
  registration of minors.                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 154                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. WOOLIVER said it would include minors who were convicted                 
  as an adult, yet juveniles might petition the court to seal                  
  their records.                                                               
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE B. DAVIS discussed the amendment difference                   
  between the committee substitute (CS) and the original one.                  
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY discussed the amendment.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 203                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. WOOLIVER explained the change in CSHB 69 and what the                    
  changes did.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 253                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE B. DAVIS asked if the chair would like her to                 
  move CSHB 69.                                                                
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY stated the committee should review CSHB 69                    
  until the next meeting.                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 260                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked if CSHB 69 would be retroactive                    
  and if all sex offenders would register.  He also referenced                 
  the fiscal note showing no increased costs.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 268                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. WOOLIVER explained the fiscal note from Public Safety.                   
                                                                               
  Number 286                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT discussed the Expo Facto Law.                            
                                                                               
  Number 289                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. WOOLIVER stated the Expo Facto Law was in effect when                    
  punishment changed.  He added CSHB 69 was regulatory only                    
  and did not promulgate an increase in punishment.                            
                                                                               
  Number 330                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG clarified CSHB 69 applied only to sex                  
  offenders.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 335                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. WOOLIVER responded in the affirmative.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 343                                                                   
                                                                               
  CINDY SMITH, DIRECTOR, NETWORK ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE & SEXUAL                 
  ASSAULT, spoke in support of CSHB 69.  She shared statistics                 
  regarding sex crimes and said Alaska was the rape capital of                 
  the nation.  She noted there was a higher suicide rate on                    
  those assaulted, sex offenders reoffend, and most offenders                  
  were not treated.  When there was treatment, there was no                    
  follow-up.  Most offenders had a prior history of assaults                   
  before being caught.  They hide information and CSHB 69                      
  would make past information obtainable, she added.                           
                                                                               
  Number 397                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE GARY DAVIS asked if there were statistics                     
  regarding rehabilitated sex offenders.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 400                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. SMITH was not aware of any such statistics in Alaska.                    
  Nationally the recidivism was twenty to forty percent with                   
  treatment, she added.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 412                                                                   
                                                                               
  ANDY KLAMSER, COUNCIL ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL                        
  ASSAULT, spoke in support of CSHB 69.  He was a police                       
  officer for 15 years.  For the past 9 years he investigated                  
  sex offenders.  He discussed treatment for offenders.  Many                  
  people came to Alaska to get away from their past, he said.                  
  He added CSHB 69 would be a reminder of how seriously Alaska                 
  took these crimes and their conduct.  It might be a good                     
  deterrent but that was not the purpose of CSHB 69 since it                   
  was not an added punishment, he noted.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 445                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked if there were any statistics to                    
  show if the registration program might deter sex offenders                   
  from repeating their crime.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 451                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. KLAMSER was not aware of any such statistics because it                  
  would be too hard to track.                                                  
  HB 81: PHASE OUT LONGEVITY BONUS                                             
                                                                               
  Number 463                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY stated the committee would hold CSHB 69 for                   
  further consideration.  He then read the title of HB 81 and                  
  invited Commissioner Nancy Usera to testify.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 475                                                                   
                                                                               
  NANCY USERA, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION,                     
  stated the longevity bonus was within her department.  She                   
  explained the history of the longevity bonus, the intent of                  
  which was to have the bonus be an incentive to help keep                     
  seniors in Alaska.  The cost of the program grew five                        
  million dollars per year.  One thousand people have come                     
  annually into the program.  The Governor's proposal was very                 
  simple, direct and doable, she said.                                         
                                                                               
  MS. USERA explained the step down program as two hundred and                 
  fifty dollars per month to those who were grandfathered into                 
  the program.  After three years of stepping down the amount                  
  to one hundred dollars the program would end.  She said, "If                 
  not this, what?  If not now, when?"  This protected as many                  
  people as possible who have come to rely on this revenue,                    
  she added, and noted there was a negative fiscal note from                   
  the cost savings of the step down.                                           
                                                                               
  Number 530                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked about the negative fiscal note from the                 
  Division of Pioneer Benefits.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 534                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER USERA explained the cost of cutting checks.                     
  She spoke of the variety of proposals that had been looked                   
  at and discussed in prior years.  The Department of                          
  Community and Regional Affairs was using a model for                         
  legislators but the Department of Administration did not                     
  have access to this model, she said.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 547                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG asked about new longevity bonus                        
  recipients.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 551                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER USERA explained the migration of seniors into                   
  the state that became grandfathered into the program.                        
                                                                               
  Number 562                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE G. DAVIS discussed the residency requirement.                 
                                                                               
  Number 570                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER USERA discussed cases regarding residency                       
  preference.  There was a program phase out which would allow                 
  the issue of residency repeal for Longevity, Permanent Fund                  
  and Pioneer's Home.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 587                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER asked for information regarding the                     
  number of people receiving the longevity bonus who would                     
  have qualified originally under the program.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 590                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER USERA stated there were 401 people and people                   
  were added each year if they were here before statehood, had                 
  25 years residency, and were 65 years old.  Under today's                    
  program, 125,000 people ultimately qualified.  From the                      
  4,700 in 1973 that came into the program only 400 were left,                 
  and currently 23,000 people received the bonus, she advised.                 
                                                                               
  Number 611                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER asked why the step down way was better                  
  than the annuity option.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 615                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER USERA explained the history of the annuity                      
  program and its support.  The annuity plan called for a                      
  fifteen year phase out, she disclosed.                                       
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-12 SIDE A                                                            
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER USERA continued to explain the fifteen year                     
  phase out.  The cost was now eighty-eight million dollars                    
  more because that program was not adopted in 1986.  Further                  
  discussion of the annuity program in comparison to the step                  
  down was given.  People under the annuity plan who needed                    
  the program would not use it.  They need money today, she                    
  said.                                                                        
  HJR 9: VOTER APPROVAL FOR NEW TAXES                                          
                                                                               
  Number 023                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY thanked Commissioner Usera and said HB 81                     
  would be held in committee for further consideration.  He                    
  read the title of HJR 9 and asked the committee if they                      
  would like to take action to pass the resolution.                            
                                                                               
  Number 050                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JERRY SANDERS made a MOTION to pass HJR 9 to                  
  the Judiciary Committee.  Roll was taken and HJR 9 PASSED                    
  with four yeas and two neas.                                                 
  HB 36: RETIREMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM                                          
                                                                               
  Number 068                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked for comments or questions from the                      
  committee regarding HB 36.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 119                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JERRY MACKIE, PRIME SPONSOR OF HB 36, said he                 
  would be happy to answer any questions.  He requested the                    
  committee pass HB 36 and said the House Finance Committee                    
  would address any concerns relating to costs for the                         
  retirement incentive program.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 148                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY stated concerns with the impact on retirement                 
  funds and would have a list of questions to give to                          
  Representative Mackie.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 158                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER said the Budget and Audit Committee and                 
  the full Finance Committee would review HB 36.  She asked if                 
  the chair would like a motion to move the bill.                              
                                                                               
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  CHAIRMAN VEZEY stated he had questions to submit to                          
  Representative Mackie's office regarding the Department of                   
  Revenue, financial statement, audit actuaries and retirement                 
  fund.                                                                        
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY adjourned the meeting at 9:50 a.m., and HB 36                 
  was held over for further consideration.                                     

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