Legislature(1993 - 1994)

01/19/1993 08:00 AM STA

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             HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                            
                        January 19, 1993                                       
                            8:00 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Al Vezey, Chair                                               
  Representative Pete Kott, Vice Chair                                         
  Representative Harley Olberg                                                 
  Representative Jerry Sanders                                                 
  Representative Gary Davis                                                    
  Representative Fran Ulmer                                                    
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Bettye Davis (excused)                                        
                                                                               
  OTHER HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                  
                                                                               
  Representative Terry Martin                                                  
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  *EO 81:   Moving the Alaska Science and Technology                           
            Foundation from the Department of Revenue to the                   
            Department of Commerce and Economic Development.                   
                                                                               
            HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION                        
                                                                               
  *EO 82:   Transferring administration of the charitable                      
            gaming program from the Department of Commerce and                 
            Economic Development to the Department of Revenue.                 
                                                                               
            MOVED OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH DO PASS RECOMMENDATION                 
                                                                               
  *EO 83:   Merging the State Geographic Board and the                         
            Historic Sites Advisory Committee into the Alaska                  
            Historical Commission in the Department of Natural                 
            Resources.                                                         
                                                                               
            MOVED OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH DO PASS RECOMMENDATION                 
                                                                               
  *EO 84:   Consolidating the duties and functions of the                      
            Alaska Women's Commission and the Alaska                           
            Commission on Children and Youth into a new Alaska                 
            Human Relations Commission in the Governor's                       
            Office.                                                            
                                                                               
            MOVED OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH DO PASS RECOMMENDATION                 
                                                                               
  *EO 85:   Moving the bonding program that serves as security                 
            for the collection of wages and payment for raw                    
            fish from the Department of Labor to the                           
            Department of Revenue.                                             
                                                                               
            MOVED OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH DO PASS RECOMMENDATION                 
                                                                               
  *EO 86:   Transferring the functions and duties of the                       
            division of fisheries rehabilitation, enhancement                  
            and development to the Department of Fish and                      
            Game.                                                              
                                                                               
            MOVED OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH DO PASS RECOMMENDATION                 
                                                                               
  *EO 87:   Moving state facility leasing and management                       
            functions from the Department of Administration                    
            and other agencies to the Department of                            
            Transportation and Public Facilities.                              
                                                                               
            MOVED OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH DO PASS RECOMMENDATION                 
                                                                               
  *HJR 1:   Proposing amendments to the Constitution of the                    
            State of Alaska authorizing the use of the                         
            initiative to amend the Constitution of the State                  
            of Alaska by approval of two-thirds of the votes                   
            cast on the proposed amendment.                                    
                                                                               
            HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION                        
                                                                               
  *HJR 8:   Proposing amendments to the Constitution of the                    
            State of Alaska authorizing the use of the                         
            initiative to amend the Constitution of the State                  
            of Alaska.                                                         
                                                                               
            HELD IN COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION                        
                                                                               
  *HJR 9:   Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the                  
            State of Alaska prohibiting the imposition of                      
            state personal income taxation, state ad valorem                   
            taxation on real property, or state retail sales                   
            taxation without the approval of the voters of the                 
            state.                                                             
                                                                               
            SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                            
                                                                               
  (* first public hearing)                                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  John Sibert, Executive Director                                              
  Alaska Science & Technology Foundation (ASTF)                                
  550 West 7th Ave.                                                            
  Anchorage, AK  99501                                                         
  272-4333                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 81                                         
                                                                               
  Darrel Rexwinkel, Commissioner                                               
  Department of Revenue                                                        
  P.O. Box 110400                                                              
  Juneau, AK  99811-0400                                                       
  465-2300                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 81 and EO 85                               
                                                                               
  Rod Mourant, Assistant Commissioner                                          
  Department of Revenue                                                        
  P.O. Box 110400                                                              
  Juneau, AK  99811-0400                                                       
  465-2300                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 81                                         
                                                                               
  Vincent Usera, Assistant Attorney General                                    
  Department of Law                                                            
  P.O. Box 110300                                                              
  Juneau, AK  99811-0300                                                       
  465-2398                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 81                                         
                                                                               
  Karl Luck, Director                                                          
  Department of Commerce & Economic Development,                               
  Division of Occupational Licensing                                           
  P.O. Box 110806                                                              
  Juneau, AK  99811-0806                                                       
  465-2638                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 82                                         
                                                                               
  John Hansen, Gaming Manager                                                  
  Department of Commerce & Economic Development                                
  Division of Occupational Licensing                                           
  P.O. Box 110806                                                              
  Juneau, AK  99811-0806                                                       
  465-2581                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 82                                         
                                                                               
  Kristie Leaf                                                                 
  Deputy Director of Boards & Commissions                                      
  Office of the Governor                                                       
  P.O. Box 110001                                                              
  Juneau, AK  99811-0001                                                       
  465-3500                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 84 and EO 83                               
                                                                               
  Jenny Bell                                                                   
  AWARE                                                                        
  P.O. Box 20809                                                               
  Juneau, AK  99802                                                            
  789-4175 and 586-6623                                                        
  Position Statement:  Opposed EO 84                                           
                                                                               
  Carla Timpone                                                                
  P.O. Box 240086                                                              
  Douglas, AK  99824                                                           
  364-3581 and 789-5523                                                        
  Position Statement:  Opposed EO 84                                           
                                                                               
  Cindy Smith                                                                  
  Network on Domestic Violence                                                 
  419 6th St.                                                                  
  Juneau, AK  99801                                                            
  586-3650                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed EO 84                                           
                                                                               
  Caren Robinson                                                               
  P.O. Box 33702                                                               
  Juneau, AK  99801                                                            
  586-1107 and 789-4305                                                        
  Position Statement:  Opposed EO 84                                           
                                                                               
  Freda Westman                                                                
  AWARE                                                                        
  P.O. Box 20809                                                               
  Juneau, AK  99802                                                            
  586-6623 and 789-3004                                                        
  Position Statement:  Opposed EO 84                                           
                                                                               
  Marcia McKenzie                                                              
  Alaska Auxiliary of University Women (AAUW)                                  
  P.O. Box 33977                                                               
  Juneau, AK  99803                                                            
  Position Statement:  Opposed EO 84                                           
                                                                               
  Sherrie Goll                                                                 
  Alaska Women's Lobby/KIDPAC                                                  
  P.O. Box 22156                                                               
  Juneau, AK  99802                                                            
  463-6744                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed EO 84                                           
                                                                               
  Geron Bruce, Special Assistant                                               
  Department of Fish & Game                                                    
  P.O. Box 25526                                                               
  Juneau, AK  99802-5526                                                       
  465-6143                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 86                                         
                                                                               
  Keith Gerken, Deputy Commissioner                                            
  Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                           
  3132 Channel Drive                                                           
  Juneau, AK  99801-7898                                                       
  465-3903                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 87                                         
                                                                               
  Kit Duke, Assistant Commissioner                                             
  Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                           
  3901 C Street, Suite 724                                                     
  Anchorage, AK  99503                                                         
  465-3903 and 562-2728                                                        
  Position Statement:  Supported EO 87                                         
                                                                               
  Representative Gail Phillips                                                 
  Room 216, Capitol                                                            
  Juneau, AK  99811                                                            
  465-2689                                                                     
  Position Statement: Sponsor of HJR 1                                         
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
                                                                               
  BILL:  HJR  1                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: USE OF INITIATIVE TO AMEND CONSTITUTION                         
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) PHILLIPS,Bunde                                 
  TITLE: Proposing amendments to the Constitution of the State                 
  of Alaska authorizing the use of the initiative to amend the                 
  Constitution of the State of Alaska by approval of                           
  two-thirds of the votes cast on the proposed amendment.                      
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  01/04/93        21    (H)   PREFILE RELEASED                                 
  01/11/93        21    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/11/93        21    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,                        
                              FINANCE                                          
  01/19/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HJR  8                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: USE OF INITIATIVE TO AMEND CONSTITUTION                         
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) MARTIN,Kott,Green,Olberg                       
  TITLE: Proposing amendments to the Constitution of the State                 
  of Alaska authorizing the use of the initiative to amend the                 
  Constitution of the State of Alaska.                                         
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  01/04/93        23    (H)   PREFILE RELEASED                                 
  01/11/93        23    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/11/93        23    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,                        
                              FINANCE                                          
  01/12/93        49    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): OLBERG                             
  01/19/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HJR  9                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: VOTER APPROVAL FOR NEW TAXES                                    
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) MARTIN                                         
  TITLE: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the                     
  State of Alaska prohibiting the imposition of state personal                 
  income taxation, state ad valorem taxation on real property,                 
  or state retail sales taxation without the approval of the                   
  voters of the state.                                                         
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  01/04/93        23    (H)   PREFILE RELEASED                                 
  01/11/93        23    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/11/93        23    (H)   STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY,                        
                              FINANCE                                          
  01/19/93              (H)   STA AT 08:00 AM CAPITOL 102                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-1, SIDE A                                                            
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  The first meeting of the House State Affairs Committee was                   
  called to order at 8:00 a.m. on January 19, 1993, by                         
  Chairman Al Vezey.  Members present were Representatives                     
  Kott, Olberg, Sanders, G. Davis, and Ulmer, representing a                   
  quorum.  Representative B. Davis was absent.  Representative                 
  Terry Martin was also present.                                               
  EO 81:  AK SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY FOUNDATION                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of EO 81.  He reminded the                     
  committee that the authority of the governor to issue this                   
  executive order stems from Alaska statute 24.08.210.  He                     
  said there may be some question if this authority allows the                 
  governor to transfer personnel from a partially exempt                       
  status to a classified or totally exempt position.  He                       
  invited comments or questions from the committee and then                    
  from public agencies.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 093                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN SIBERT, Executive Director, Alaska Science & Technology                 
  Foundation (ASTF), commented that EO 81 would not                            
  significantly impact ASTF.  Combining science and advisory                   
  commission duties would make sense.  He stated that he was                   
  in support of the changes.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 162                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE TERRY MARTIN asked funding question to Mr.                    
  Sibert who answered that it would be internal.                               
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked Mr. Sibert what was the reasoning for                   
  changing the partially exempt status to a classified                         
  position.                                                                    
                                                                               
  MR. SIBERT responded that he was not aware of that change.                   
                                                                               
  Number 176                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE GARY DAVIS asked Mr. Sibert about title                       
  change and duties.                                                           
                                                                               
  MR. SIBERT responded that with current staff he was the only                 
  technical position and would be stretched.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 194                                                                   
                                                                               
  DARREL REXWINKEL, Commissioner, Department of Revenue, spoke                 
  in support of transferring the ASTF to the Department of                     
  Commerce.  He read testimony of the reasons for supporting                   
  EO 81.  His testimony included the history and purpose of                    
  the foundation.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 239                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE FRAN ULMER brought up questions from the                      
  Department of Legal Services memo.  The concerns were that                   
  EO 81 possibly goes too far by making substantive changes.                   
                                                                               
  Number 265                                                                   
                                                                               
  ROD MOURANT, Assistant Commissioner, Department of Revenue,                  
  stated that it was the opinion of Deborah Behr in the                        
  Department of Law that the points raised by Legal Services                   
  could be done by the revisor of statutes in technical                        
  corrections to clean up legislation.  He said he would                       
  present a new draft to correct technical concerns to the                     
  committee within five days.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 295                                                                   
                                                                               
  VINCENT USERA, Assistant Attorney General, Office of the                     
  Alaska Attorney General, stated the he drafted the executive                 
  order that omitted substance.  A new draft would be                          
  introduced to correct the mistakes that were made.                           
                                                                               
  Number 323                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER explained the restrictions of executive                 
  orders.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 350                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HARLEY OLBERG said he would like exempt                       
  status to classified to be clarified.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 381                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY reminded the committee that executive orders                  
  would pass within 60 days unless vetoed and that time                        
  started ticking on January 11.                                               
                                                                               
  Number 478                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER clarified that there must be action in                  
  the form of a resolution to reject an executive order or a                   
  request that the governor make a change to the executive                     
  order.                                                                       
  EO 82:  CHARITABLE GAMING PROGRAM                                            
                                                                               
  Number 496                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of EO 82.  He invited comments                 
  or questions from the committee and then from public                         
  agencies.                                                                    
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER REXWINKEL spoke in support of EO 82.  His                       
  testimony included the history of the 1988 statute change.                   
  He stated that the function of gaming was to collect enough                  
  money to carry out it's functions only.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 544                                                                   
                                                                               
  KARL LUCK, Director, Department of Commerce & Economic                       
  Development, Division of Occupational Licensing, stated that                 
  gaming was not a function of Occupational Licensing and                      
  should be in the Department of Revenue.  He expressed his                    
  support of EO 82.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 572                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN HANSEN, Manager of the Gaming Program, Department of                    
  Commerce & Economic Development, stated that there was an                    
  enforcement duplication by the Department of Commerce and by                 
  the Department of Revenue.  He said financial statements                     
  need to be audited and the Department of Revenue has that                    
  expertise.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 590                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JERRY SANDERS asked Mr. Hansen how the                        
  transfer would work.                                                         
                                                                               
  MR. HANSEN answered that the same people would do the same                   
  job only they would be with the Department of Revenue.                       
                                                                               
  Number 629                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE G. DAVIS requested that EO 82 pass to the                     
  House Labor and Commerce Committee.  There being no                          
  objection, EO 82 passed unanimously.                                         
  EO 83:  GEOGRAPHIC BOARD & HISTORIC SITES ADV COMM                           
                                                                               
  Number 636                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of EO 83.  He invited comments                 
  or questions from the committee and then from public                         
  agencies.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 649                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG asked if the budget would be the same                  
  or if it would decrease.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 658                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PETE KOTT assumed that the budget of all                      
  three commissions would be reduced.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 660                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN stated that a negative fiscal note                     
  would be possible.                                                           
                                                                               
  Number 665                                                                   
                                                                               
  KRISTIE LEAF, Deputy Director, Boards and Commissions,                       
  Office of the Governor, spoke in support of EO 83.  She                      
  submitted a fact sheet on consolidation, which outlined her                  
  testimony.  She also stated that a decrease in budget was                    
  expected.                                                                    
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-1, SIDE B                                                            
  Number 041                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG requested that EO 83 pass out of                       
  committee and on to the House Resources Committee.  Without                  
  objection, EO 83 was passed unanimously.                                     
  EO 84:  WOMEN'S & CHILDREN'S & YOUTH COMMISSIONS                             
                                                                               
  Number 062                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of EO 84.  He invited comments                 
  or questions from the committee and then from public                         
  agencies.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 078                                                                   
                                                                               
  KRISTIE LEAF, Deputy Director, Boards and Commissions,                       
  Office of the Governor, spoke in support of EO 84.  (A copy                  
  of her testimony is outlined in the facts sheet on                           
  consolidation contained in the committee bill file.)                         
                                                                               
  Number 147                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER asked Ms. Leaf about the budget.                        
                                                                               
  Number 150                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. LEAF reviewed the budget history.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 175                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER asked Ms. Leaf why there was a change                   
  in title.                                                                    
                                                                               
  MS. LEAF responded that it would be more inclusive.                          
                                                                               
  Number 190                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER shared that the title could mean                        
  anything.  She then asked if the duties of the women's and                   
  children's commissions would stay the same.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 210                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. LEAF responded that EO 84 would not change or add                        
  duties, responsibilities, or any change of focus.                            
                                                                               
  Number 216                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER stated that there was not enough time                   
  to address children's and women's issues that face each                      
  commission because the need was so great.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 238                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT was interested in the frequency of                       
  commission meetings.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 262                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. LEAF responded that she did not know how often they met,                 
  but she believed that it would be better coordinated when                    
  merged together.                                                             
                                                                               
  MARSH McKENZIE with the Alaska Auxiliary of University Women                 
  (AAUW), spoke in opposition to EO 84.  She believed it was a                 
  step backwards to merge the commissions because each stands                  
  on its own and has individual focuses.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 355                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN responded on the values of a unified                   
  title.                                                                       
                                                                               
  MS. McKENZIE responded that equality and equity must come                    
  first.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 436                                                                   
                                                                               
  SHERRIE GOLL, representing the Alaska Women's Lobby and                      
  KIDPAC, spoke in opposition to EO 84.  She submitted for the                 
  committee packet the "Goals of the Alaska Women's Commission                 
  FY92."  She explained the benefits from each group and the                   
  defined goals of each.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 520                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY requested that testimony be kept brief and                    
  encouraged written testimony to be added to committee                        
  packets.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 525                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER requested that the chairman not limit                   
  testimony.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 542                                                                   
                                                                               
  JENNY BELL, Executive Director of the Juneau Aware Shelter,                  
  spoke against EO 84 and noted some educational benefits from                 
  the Women's Commission.                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 550                                                                   
                                                                               
  CINDY SMITH, representing the Network on Domestic Violence,                  
  opposed EO 84.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 559                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAREN ROBINSON spoke in opposition to EO 84.  She requested                  
  that committee members look at reports before voting to                      
  combine the commissions.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 585                                                                   
                                                                               
  FREDA WESTMAN, with the Juneau Aware Shelter, said she                       
  opposed EO 84 because women and children issues should be                    
  addressed separately.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 599                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER encouraged the committee to disapprove                  
  EO 84.  A roll call vote was taken.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 618                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG requested that the committee pass                      
  EO 84.  Executive Order 84 was passed to the House Health,                   
  Education and Social Services Committee with one "do not                     
  pass" recommendation by Representative Ulmer.                                
                                                                               
  EO 85:  BONDING PROGRAM                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 629                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of EO 85.  He invited comments                 
  or questions from the committee and then from public                         
  agencies.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 638                                                                   
                                                                               
  DARREL REXWINKEL, Commissioner for the Department of                         
  Revenue, spoke in support of EO 85.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 663                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE G. DAVIS requested that the committee pass                    
  EO 85 to the House Resources Committee.  Executive Order 85                  
  passed with one "do not pass" recommendation by                              
  Representative Ulmer.                                                        
  EO 86:  DIV OF FISHERIES REHAB, ENHANCEMENT & DEVELOPMENT                    
                                                                               
  Number 669                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of EO 86.  He invited comments                 
  or questions from the committee and then from public                         
  agencies.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 678                                                                   
                                                                               
  GERON BRUCE, with the Department of Fish & Game, spoke in                    
  support of EO 86.  He explained why the department would                     
  better utilize personnel with the change.                                    
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-2, SIDE A                                                            
  Number 044                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER questioned how the merge would affect                   
  the status and enhancement of hatcheries.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 064                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. BRUCE responded that it would be more efficient as a                     
  section of the division within the department.                               
                                                                               
  Number 098                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER encouraged having an advisory                           
  committee.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 104                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG shared his concern that the goals                      
  should not disappear because of the FRED (Fisheries                          
  Rehabilitation, Enhancement and Development) merger.                         
                                                                               
  Number 114                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. BRUCE stated that the quality would not change.  He also                 
  stated that he would include written testimony to the                        
  committee packet.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 122                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS requested that EO 86 move to the                      
  House Resources Committee.  Hearing no objections, EO 86                     
  moved out of committee.                                                      
  EO 87:  STATE FACILITY LEASING & MANAGEMENT                                  
                                                                               
  Number 129                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of EO 87.  He invited comments                 
  or questions from the committee and then from public                         
  agencies.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 147                                                                   
                                                                               
  KEITH GERKINS, Deputy Commissioner, Department of                            
  Transportation and Public Facilities (DOT/PF), spoke in                      
  support of EO 87. He stated that maintenance and inventory                   
  needed to be in one place.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 222                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY had a question regarding the EO 87 zero                       
  fiscal note.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 225                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. GERKINS responded that moneys would be needed in the                     
  capital budget for maintenance and to bring buildings up to                  
  standards, but no moneys would be needed for EO 87.                          
                                                                               
  Number 245                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE asked Mr. Gerkins to clarify what the                         
  $250,000 in associated personnel costs to be transferred in                  
  the Division of General Services to the DOT/PF meant.                        
                                                                               
  Number 253                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. GERKINS responded that it was simply a budget transfer                   
  to be shown in a budget amendment for the governor to submit                 
  later on.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 261                                                                   
                                                                               
  KIT DUKE, Assistant Commissioner, Department of                              
  Transportation and Public Facilities (DOT/PF), spoke in                      
  support of EO 87 because it was the department's fiscal                      
  responsibility.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 283                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ULMER asked Ms. Duke if this was supported by                 
  upper management or lower management.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 290                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. DUKE replied that all levels, upper, lower, and people                   
  throughout the agencies, supported this concept.                             
                                                                               
  Number 319                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE OLBERG asked Ms. Duke what Charles                            
  Bettisworth did in the department's inventory and what was                   
  the cost.                                                                    
                                                                               
  (Representative Ulmer left the meeting at 10:00 a.m.)                        
                                                                               
  MR. DUKE replied that the cost was approximately $100,000 to                 
  code and do an energy survey to show the condition of                        
  buildings.  He stated inventory would be completed by                        
  February.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 353                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE G. DAVIS asked if all state owned and leased                  
  buildings were included under the DOT/PF.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 361                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. DUKE replied that the university buildings were exempt                   
  and so were schools and corporations.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 368                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT asked if the consolidation would save                    
  money and be more efficient.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 374                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. DUKE replied that EO 87 would save money.  He said the                   
  department would also improve the effectiveness of state                     
  government and not be forced to spend as much money as it                    
  would have to otherwise to maintain and replace facilities.                  
                                                                               
  Number 395                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE KOTT requested passage of EO 87 to the House                  
  Transportation Committee.  The roll was taken and EO 87                      
  passed with a unanimous vote from all committee members.                     
  HJR 1:  USE OF INITIATIVE TO AMEND CONSTITUTION                              
                                                                               
  Number 407                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY read the title of HJR 1.  He invited comments                 
  or questions from the committee and then from public                         
  agencies.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 429                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE GAIL PHILLIPS, sponsor of HJR 1, spoke of the                 
  need for the legislation.  (A summary of her testimony has                   
  been included in the committee bill file.)  Rep. Phillips                    
  requested that HJR 1 be held until the fiscal note was                       
  available.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 458                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY asked if HJR 1 would change statutes also.                    
                                                                               
  Number 460                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS replied that it would amend the                      
  constitution only and not statutes.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 466                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked if it would require two-thirds                  
  of the registered voters who vote.                                           
                                                                               
  Number 470                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE G. DAVIS stated that the constitutional                       
  convention question was asked at the last election and the                   
  response was not to have one.  He asked why this was                         
  different.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 476                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS responded that the question was to                   
  not open up the total constitution, yet the people wanted                    
  changes, such as term limits.  She said it takes a major                     
  effort and a drive was difficult to put an initiative on the                 
  ballot.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 492                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE G. DAVIS asked if debate should be a concern                  
  in the initiative process.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 501                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS responded that the more the debate                   
  the better.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 505                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS shared a concern about the                            
  newspaper's power of persuasion.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 509                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS said that it would be a                              
  responsibility of the legislature to make sure that they get                 
  their side out as well.                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 518                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE G. DAVIS asked for clarification of                           
  Representative Martin's bills, HJR 8 and HJR 1.                              
                                                                               
  Number 539                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY stated that public hearings for HJR 1 would                   
  be done this month through teleconference.                                   
  HJR 8:  USE OF INITIATIVE TO AMEND CONSTITUTION                              
                                                                               
  Number 574                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE TERRY MARTIN, sponsor of HJR 8, spoke in                      
  support of the initiative process.  (The sponsor summary can                 
  be found in the committee bill file.)                                        
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-2, SIDE B                                                            
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MARTIN continued his points on HJR 8.                         
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 088                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN VEZEY adjourned the meeting at 10:42 a.m.                           

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