Legislature(2001 - 2002)

05/11/2002 09:47 AM RLS

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                 HOUSE RULES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                               
                          May 11, 2002                                                                                          
                           9:47 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Pete Kott, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Brian Porter                                                                                                     
Representative Vic Kohring                                                                                                      
Representative Carl Morgan                                                                                                      
Representative Lesil McGuire                                                                                                    
Representative Ethan Berkowitz                                                                                                  
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jeannette James                                                                                                  
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
Representative Gretchen Guess                                                                                                   
Senator Robin Taylor                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 115                                                                                                             
"An Act  extending the termination  date of the Board  of Storage                                                               
Tank Assistance."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS SB 115(RLS) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 235(STA)                                                                                                 
"An  Act relating  to  emergency and  disaster  relief forces  as                                                               
state employees  for purposes of workers'  compensation benefits;                                                               
relating to  the Emergency Management Assistance  Compact and the                                                               
implementation  of the  compact; and  providing for  an effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSB 235(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 345                                                                                                             
"An  Act  relating  to   medical  assistance  for  rehabilitative                                                               
services  for certain  children  with  disabilities; relating  to                                                               
agreements to  pay medical assistance  for covered  services paid                                                               
for or furnished to eligible children with disabilities by a                                                                    
school district; and providing for an effective date."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS SB 345(RLS) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 222(FIN)                                                                                                 
"An Act relating to certain motor vehicles that are required to                                                                 
yield to following traffic."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS SB 222(RLS) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 191(JUD)                                                                                                 
"An Act relating to insurance pooling by air carriers."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS CSSB 191(RLS) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 270(L&C)                                                                                                 
"An Act extending the termination date of the Board of                                                                          
Dispensing Opticians; relating to the regulation of dispensing                                                                  
opticians; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS CSSB 270(RLS) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 115                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:EXTEND BOARD OF STORAGE TANK ASSISTANCE                                                                             
SPONSOR(S): RLS BY REQUEST OF LEG BUDGET &                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
02/22/01     0474       (S)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
02/22/01     0474       (S)        RES, FIN                                                                                     
04/06/01                (S)        RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
04/06/01                (S)        Bills Previously                                                                             
                                   Heard/Scheduled -- Meeting                                                                   
                                   Canceled --                                                                                  
04/20/01                (S)        RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
04/20/01                (S)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
04/20/01                (S)        MINUTE(RES)                                                                                  
04/23/01                (S)        RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
04/23/01                (S)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
04/23/01                (S)        MINUTE(RES)                                                                                  
04/24/01     1234       (S)        RES RPT 2DP 3NR                                                                              
04/24/01     1234       (S)        DP: TORGERSON, TAYLOR;                                                                       
04/24/01     1234       (S)        NR: HALFORD, LINCOLN, ELTON                                                                  
04/24/01     1234       (S)        FN1: (DEC)                                                                                   
04/26/01                (S)        FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE                                                                
                                   532                                                                                          
04/26/01                (S)        Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                      
04/26/01                (S)        FIN AT 6:00 PM SENATE FINANCE                                                                
                                   532                                                                                          
04/26/01                (S)        Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                      
01/31/02                (S)        FIN AT 9:30 AM SENATE FINANCE                                                                
                                   532                                                                                          
01/31/02                (S)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
01/31/02                (S)        MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
02/06/02                (S)        FIN AT 9:30 AM SENATE FINANCE                                                                
                                   532                                                                                          
02/06/02                (S)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
02/06/02                (S)        MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
02/06/02     2121       (S)        FIN RPT 8DP                                                                                  
02/06/02     2121       (S)        DP: DONLEY, KELLY, AUSTERMAN,                                                                
                                   HOFFMAN,                                                                                     
02/06/02     2121       (S)        OLSON, WILKEN, LEMAN, WARD                                                                   
02/06/02     2121       (S)        FN2: (DEC)                                                                                   
02/11/02                (S)        RLS AT 10:30 AM FAHRENKAMP                                                                   
                                   203                                                                                          
02/11/02                (S)        MINUTE(RLS)                                                                                  
02/11/02     2154       (S)        RULES TO CALENDAR 1OR 2/11/02                                                                
02/11/02     2156       (S)        READ THE SECOND TIME                                                                         
02/11/02     2156       (S)        ADVANCED TO THIRD READING                                                                    
                                   UNAN CONSENT                                                                                 
02/11/02     2156       (S)        READ THE THIRD TIME SB 115                                                                   
02/11/02     2156       (S)        PASSED Y19 N- A1                                                                             
02/11/02     2159       (S)        TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                           
02/11/02     2159       (S)        VERSION: SB 115                                                                              
02/13/02     2219       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
02/13/02     2219       (H)        RES, FIN                                                                                     
03/13/02                (H)        RES AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 124                                                                   
03/13/02                (H)        -- Meeting Canceled --                                                                       
03/15/02                (H)        RES AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 124                                                                   
03/15/02                (H)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
                                   MINUTE(RES)                                                                                  
03/18/02     2579       (H)        RES RPT 8DP 1NR                                                                              
03/18/02     2579       (H)        DP: STEVENS, GREEN, FATE,                                                                    
                                   KERTTULA,                                                                                    
03/18/02     2579       (H)        KAPSNER, MCGUIRE, MASEK,                                                                     
                                   SCALZI;                                                                                      
03/18/02     2579       (H)        NR: CHENAULT                                                                                 
03/18/02     2580       (H)        FN2: (DEC)                                                                                   
05/01/02                (H)        FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE                                                                 
                                   519                                                                                          
05/01/02                (H)        Moved Out of Committee --                                                                    
                                   Recessed to 9:00 AM 5/2/02 --                                                                
                                   MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
05/02/02     3279       (H)        FIN RPT 7DP                                                                                  
05/02/02     3279       (H)        DP: HARRIS, CROFT, MOSES,                                                                    
                                   LANCASTER,                                                                                   
05/02/02     3279       (H)        FOSTER, MULDER, WILLIAMS                                                                     
05/02/02     3279       (H)        FN2: (DEC)                                                                                   
05/11/02                (H)        RLS AT 9:30 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 235                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ASSISTANCE COMPACT                                                                             
SPONSOR(S): RLS BY REQUEST OF THE                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
01/16/02     1952       (S)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
01/16/02     1952       (S)        STA, L&C, JUD                                                                                
01/16/02     1952       (S)        FN1: ZERO(MVA)                                                                               
01/16/02     1953       (S)        GOVERNOR'S TRANSMITTAL LETTER                                                                
01/24/02                (S)        STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
01/24/02                (S)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
01/24/02                (S)        MINUTE(STA)                                                                                  
01/31/02                (S)        STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
01/31/02                (S)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
01/31/02                (S)        MINUTE(STA)                                                                                  
02/01/02     2081       (S)        STA RPT CS 4DP SAME TITLE                                                                    
02/01/02     2081       (S)        DP: THERRIAULT, PHILLIPS,                                                                    
                                   DAVIS,                                                                                       
02/01/02     2081       (S)        STEVENS                                                                                      
02/01/02     2081       (S)        FN1: ZERO(MVA)                                                                               
02/21/02                (S)        L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
02/21/02                (S)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
02/21/02                (S)        MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
02/22/02     2281       (S)        L&C RPT CS(STA) 3DP                                                                          
02/22/02     2281       (S)        DP: STEVENS, LEMAN, DAVIS                                                                    
02/22/02     2281       (S)        FN1: ZERO(MVA)                                                                               
05/08/02                (S)        JUD AT 3:00 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
05/08/02                (S)        Moved SCS(STA) Out of                                                                        
                                   Committee -- Time Change --                                                                  
                                   MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                  
05/09/02                (S)        RLS AT 11:30 AM FAHRENKAMP                                                                   
                                   203                                                                                          
05/09/02                (S)        MINUTE(RLS)                                                                                  
05/09/02     3254       (S)        JUD RPT CS(STA) 4DP                                                                          
05/09/02     3254       (S)        DP: TAYLOR, THERRIAULT,                                                                      
                                   ELLIS,                                                                                       
05/09/02     3254       (S)        COWDERY                                                                                      
05/09/02     3254       (S)        FN1: ZERO(MVA)                                                                               
05/09/02     3262       (S)        RULES TO CALENDAR 5/9/02                                                                     
05/09/02     3262       (S)        READ THE SECOND TIME                                                                         
05/09/02     3263       (S)        STA CS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT                                                                  
05/09/02     3263       (S)        ADVANCED TO THIRD READING                                                                    
                                   UNAN CONSENT                                                                                 
05/09/02     3263       (S)        READ THE THIRD TIME CSSB                                                                     
                                   235(STA)                                                                                     
05/09/02     3263       (S)        PASSED Y20 N-                                                                                
05/09/02     3263       (S)        EFFECTIVE DATE(S) SAME AS                                                                    
                                   PASSAGE                                                                                      
05/09/02     3279       (S)        TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                           
05/09/02     3279       (S)        VERSION: CSSB 235(STA)                                                                       
05/10/02     3481       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
05/10/02     3481       (H)        RLS                                                                                          
05/11/02                (H)        RLS AT 9:30 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 345                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:EDUC. FUNDING/DISABLED/CORRESPONDENCE                                                                               
SPONSOR(S): HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
03/04/02     2365       (S)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
03/04/02     2366       (S)        HES, FIN                                                                                     
03/15/02                (S)        HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
03/15/02                (S)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
03/15/02                (S)        MINUTE(HES)                                                                                  
03/18/02     2449       (S)        HES RPT 4DP                                                                                  
03/18/02     2449       (S)        DP: GREEN, LEMAN, WILKEN,                                                                    
                                   WARD                                                                                         
03/18/02     2449       (S)        FN1: (HSS)                                                                                   
03/26/02                (S)        FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE                                                                
                                   532                                                                                          
03/26/02                (S)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
                                   MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
03/27/02     2536       (S)        FIN RPT 6DP 2NR                                                                              
03/27/02     2536       (S)        DP: KELLY, GREEN, AUSTERMAN,                                                                 
                                   WILKEN,                                                                                      
03/27/02     2536       (S)        LEMAN, WARD; NR: DONLEY,                                                                     
                                   OLSON                                                                                        
03/27/02     2537       (S)        FN1: (HSS); FN2: (HSS)                                                                       
04/10/02                (S)        RLS AT 10:30 AM FAHRENKAMP                                                                   
                                   203                                                                                          
04/10/02                (S)        MINUTE(RLS)                                                                                  
04/11/02     2732       (S)        RULES TO CALENDAR 4/11/02                                                                    
04/11/02     2733       (S)        READ THE SECOND TIME                                                                         
04/11/02     2733       (S)        ADVANCED TO THIRD READING                                                                    
                                   UNAN CONSENT                                                                                 
04/11/02     2733       (S)        READ THE THIRD TIME SB 345                                                                   
04/11/02     2734       (S)        PASSED Y20 N-                                                                                
04/11/02     2734       (S)        EFFECTIVE DATE(S) SAME AS                                                                    
                                   PASSAGE                                                                                      
04/11/02     2734       (S)        TAYLOR NOTICE OF                                                                             
                                   RECONSIDERATION                                                                              
04/12/02     2751       (S)        RECONSIDERATION HELD TO                                                                      
                                   4/15/02                                                                                      
04/15/02     2776       (S)        RECONSIDERATION HELD TO                                                                      
                                   4/16/02                                                                                      
04/16/02     2794       (S)        RECONSIDERATION NOT TAKEN UP                                                                 
04/16/02     2795       (S)        TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                           
04/16/02     2795       (S)        VERSION: SB 345                                                                              
04/17/02     2965       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
04/17/02     2965       (H)        HES, FIN                                                                                     
04/23/02                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
04/23/02                (H)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
                                   MINUTE(HES)                                                                                  
04/24/02     3110       (H)        HES RPT 4DP 3NR                                                                              
04/24/02     3110       (H)        DP: WILSON, CISSNA, JOULE,                                                                   
                                   DYSON;                                                                                       
04/24/02     3110       (H)        NR: COGHILL, KOHRING, STEVENS                                                                
04/24/02     3110       (H)        FN1: (HSS); FN2: (HSS)                                                                       
05/02/02                (H)        FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE                                                                 
                                   519                                                                                          
05/02/02                (H)        -- Meeting Postponed to 4:00                                                                 
                                   PM --                                                                                        
05/06/02                (H)        FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE                                                                 
                                   519                                                                                          
05/06/02                (H)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
                                   MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
05/07/02     3420       (H)        FIN RPT 2DP 5NR                                                                              
05/07/02     3420       (H)        DP: FOSTER, WILLIAMS; NR:                                                                    
                                   BUNDE,                                                                                       
05/07/02     3420       (H)        CROFT, DAVIES, LANCASTER,                                                                    
                                   HUDSON                                                                                       
05/07/02     3420       (H)        FN1: (HSS); FN2: (HSS)                                                                       
05/11/02                (H)        RLS AT 9:30 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 222                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:REQUIRE SLOW DRIVERS TO PULL OVER                                                                                   
SPONSOR(S): SENATOR(S) DONLEY                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
05/03/01     1465       (S)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
05/03/01     1465       (S)        TRA, FIN                                                                                     
02/12/02                (S)        TRA AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
02/12/02                (S)        Moved CS(TRA) Out of                                                                         
                                   Committee                                                                                    
02/12/02                (S)        MINUTE(TRA)                                                                                  
02/19/02     2220       (S)        TRA RPT CS 4DP 1NR SAME TITLE                                                                
02/19/02     2221       (S)        DP: COWDERY, WILKEN, TAYLOR,                                                                 
                                   WARD;                                                                                        
02/19/02     2221       (S)        NR: ELTON                                                                                    
02/19/02     2221       (S)        FN1: (DOT)                                                                                   
03/01/02                (S)        FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE                                                                
                                   532                                                                                          
03/01/02                (S)        Moved CS(FIN) Out of                                                                         
                                   Committee                                                                                    
03/01/02                (S)        MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
03/01/02     2337       (S)        DP: DONLEY, KELLY, GREEN,                                                                    
                                   AUSTERMAN,                                                                                   
03/01/02     2337       (S)        WARD; NR: HOFFMAN, OLSON                                                                     
03/01/02     2337       (S)        FN2: ZERO(DPS)                                                                               
03/01/02     2337       (S)        FIN RPT CS 5DP 2NR SAME TITLE                                                                
03/13/02                (S)        RLS AT 11:00 AM FAHRENKAMP                                                                   
                                   203                                                                                          
03/13/02                (S)        MINUTE(RLS)                                                                                  
03/18/02     2449       (S)        RULES TO CALENDAR 3/18/02                                                                    
03/18/02     2451       (S)        READ THE SECOND TIME                                                                         
03/18/02     2451       (S)        FIN CS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT                                                                  
03/18/02     2451       (S)        ADVANCED TO THIRD READING                                                                    
                                   UNAN CONSENT                                                                                 
03/18/02     2451       (S)        READ THE THIRD TIME CSSB                                                                     
                                   222(FIN)                                                                                     
03/18/02     2452       (S)        PASSED Y17 N1 E 2                                                                            
03/18/02     2452       (S)        LINCOLN NOTICE OF                                                                            
                                   RECONSIDERATION                                                                              
03/20/02     2476       (S)        RECONSIDERATION NOT TAKEN UP                                                                 
03/20/02     2477       (S)        TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                           
03/20/02     2477       (S)        VERSION: CSSB 222(FIN)                                                                       
03/22/02     2490       (S)        FN1: (DOT)                                                                                   
03/22/02     2635       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
03/22/02     2635       (H)        JUD, FIN                                                                                     
04/22/02                (H)        JUD AT 1:30 PM CAPITOL 120                                                                   
04/22/02                (H)        <Bill Postponed to 4/24/02> -                                                                
                                   - Time Change --                                                                             
04/24/02                (H)        JUD AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120                                                                   
04/24/02                (H)        Moved HCS CSSB 222(JUD) Out                                                                  
                                   of Committee                                                                                 
                                   MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                  
04/25/02     3130       (H)        JUD RPT HCS(JUD) 1DP 4NR                                                                     
04/25/02     3130       (H)        DP: ROKEBERG; NR: MEYER,                                                                     
                                   COGHILL,                                                                                     
04/25/02     3130       (H)        JAMES, KOOKESH                                                                               
04/25/02     3130       (H)        FN1: (DOT)                                                                                   
04/25/02     3130       (H)        FN2: ZERO(DPS)                                                                               
05/08/02                (H)        FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE                                                                 
                                   519                                                                                          
05/08/02                (H)        Moved HCSSB 222(FIN) Out of                                                                  
                                   Committee                                                                                    
                                   MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
05/09/02     3462       (H)        FIN RPT HCS(FIN) NT 5DP 5NR                                                                  
05/09/02     3462       (H)        DP: BUNDE, LANCASTER, FOSTER,                                                                
                                   MULDER,                                                                                      
05/09/02     3462       (H)        WILLIAMS; NR: WHITAKER,                                                                      
                                   HARRIS, CROFT,                                                                               
05/09/02     3462       (H)        DAVIES, HUDSON                                                                               
05/09/02     3462       (H)        FN1: (DOT)                                                                                   
05/09/02     3462       (H)        FN2: ZERO(DPS)                                                                               
05/11/02                (H)        RLS AT 9:30 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 191                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:INSURANCE POOLING BY AIR CARRIERS                                                                                   
SPONSOR(S): SENATOR(S) TAYLOR                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
04/12/01     1094       (S)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
04/12/01     1094       (S)        L&C, JUD                                                                                     
04/17/01                (S)        L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
04/17/01                (S)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
04/17/01                (S)        MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
04/19/01                (S)        L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
04/19/01                (S)        Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                      
04/24/01                (S)        L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
04/24/01                (S)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
04/24/01                (S)        MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
04/28/01                (S)        L&C AT 9:30 AM BELTZ 211                                                                     
04/28/01                (S)        Scheduled But Not Heard --                                                                   
                                   Time Change --                                                                               
05/01/01                (S)        L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
05/01/01                (S)        Moved CS(L&C) Out of                                                                         
                                   Committee                                                                                    
05/01/01                (S)        MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
05/02/01     1431       (S)        NR: PHILLIPS, AUSTERMAN,                                                                     
                                   DAVIS,                                                                                       
05/02/01     1431       (S)        TORGERSON                                                                                    
05/02/01     1431       (S)        FN1: ZERO(CED)                                                                               
05/02/01     1431       (S)        L&C RPT CS 4NR NEW TITLE                                                                     
05/04/01                (S)        JUD AT 4:45 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
05/04/01                (S)        Heard & Held -- Time Change -                                                                
05/04/01                (S)        MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                  
05/05/01                (S)        JUD AT 8:45 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
05/05/01                (S)        Moved SCS(JUD) Out of                                                                        
                                   Committee -- Time Change --                                                                  
05/05/01                (S)        MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                  
05/06/01     1574       (S)        JUD RPT CS 2DP 3NR NEW TITLE                                                                 
05/06/01     1574       (S)        DP: TAYLOR, COWDERY;                                                                         
05/06/01     1574       (S)        NR: ELLIS, THERRIAULT, DONLEY                                                                
05/06/01     1574       (S)        FN1: ZERO(CED)                                                                               
05/02/02                (S)        RLS AT 10:30 AM FAHRENKAMP                                                                   
                                   203                                                                                          
05/02/02                (S)        -- Time Change --                                                                            
05/02/02                (S)        MINUTE(RLS)                                                                                  
05/06/02     3182       (S)        RULES TO CALENDAR 1OR 5/6/02                                                                 
05/06/02     3184       (S)        READ THE SECOND TIME                                                                         
05/06/02     3184       (S)        JUD CS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT                                                                  
05/06/02     3184       (S)        ADVANCED TO THIRD READING                                                                    
                                   UNAN CONSENT                                                                                 
05/06/02     3184       (S)        READ THE THIRD TIME CSSB                                                                     
                                   191(JUD)                                                                                     
05/06/02     3184       (S)        PASSED Y20 N-                                                                                
05/06/02     3189       (S)        TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                           
05/06/02     3189       (S)        VERSION: CSSB 191(JUD)                                                                       
05/07/02     3415       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
05/07/02     3415       (H)        L&C                                                                                          
05/08/02                (H)        L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                    
05/08/02                (H)        Moved HCS CSSB 191(L&C) Out                                                                  
                                   of Committee                                                                                 
                                   MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
05/10/02     3484       (H)        L&C RPT HCS(L&C) 1DP 6NR                                                                     
05/10/02     3484       (H)        DP: ROKEBERG; NR: MEYER,                                                                     
                                   HAYES,                                                                                       
05/10/02     3484       (H)        CRAWFORD, KOTT, HALCRO,                                                                      
                                   MURKOWSKI                                                                                    
05/10/02     3484       (H)        FN2: ZERO(H.L&C)                                                                             
05/11/02                (H)        RLS AT 9:30 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 270                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:DISPENSING OPTICIANS:EXTEND BD/REGULATION                                                                           
SPONSOR(S): RLS BY REQUEST OF LEG BUDGET &                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
02/01/02     2089       (S)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
02/01/02     2089       (S)        L&C, FIN                                                                                     
02/14/02                (S)        L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211                                                                     
02/14/02                (S)        Moved CS(L&C) Out of                                                                         
                                   Committee                                                                                    
02/14/02                (S)        MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
02/19/02     2222       (S)        L&C RPT CS 3DP 1NR SAME TITLE                                                                
02/19/02     2222       (S)        DP: STEVENS, DAVIS,                                                                          
                                   TORGERSON;                                                                                   
02/19/02     2222       (S)        NR: AUSTERMAN                                                                                
02/19/02     2222       (S)        FN1: (CED)                                                                                   
03/25/02                (S)        FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE                                                                
                                   532                                                                                          
03/25/02                (S)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
03/25/02                (S)        MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
03/25/02     2517       (S)        FIN RPT CS(L&C) 5DP 3NR                                                                      
03/25/02     2518       (S)        DP: KELLY, AUSTERMAN, OLSON,                                                                 
                                   WILKEN,                                                                                      
03/25/02     2518       (S)        LEMAN; NR: DONLEY, GREEN,                                                                    
                                   WARD                                                                                         
03/25/02     2518       (S)        FN1: (CED)                                                                                   
03/28/02                (S)        RLS AT 8:30 AM FAHRENKAMP 203                                                                
03/28/02                (S)        -- Time Change --                                                                            
03/28/02                (S)        MINUTE(RLS)                                                                                  
04/02/02     2589       (S)        ADVANCED TO THIRD READING                                                                    
                                   UNAN CONSENT                                                                                 
04/02/02     2589       (S)        READ THE THIRD TIME CSSB                                                                     
                                   270(L&C)                                                                                     
04/02/02     2589       (S)        PASSED Y18 N- E2                                                                             
04/02/02     2589       (S)        EFFECTIVE DATE(S) SAME AS                                                                    
                                   PASSAGE                                                                                      
04/02/02     2593       (S)        TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                           
04/02/02     2593       (S)        VERSION: CSSB 270(L&C)                                                                       
04/02/02     2586       (S)        RULES TO CALENDAR 4/2/02                                                                     
04/02/02     2588       (S)        READ THE SECOND TIME                                                                         
04/02/02     2588       (S)        L&C CS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT                                                                  
04/03/02     2770       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
04/03/02     2770       (H)        L&C, FIN                                                                                     
04/12/02                (H)        L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                    
04/12/02                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
04/12/02                (H)        MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
04/17/02                (H)        L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                    
04/17/02                (H)        <Bill Postponed>                                                                             
05/01/02                (H)        L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                    
05/01/02                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
                                   MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
05/03/02                (H)        L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                    
05/03/02                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
                                   MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
05/08/02                (H)        L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17                                                                    
05/08/02                (H)        Moved HCS CSSB 270(L&C) Out                                                                  
                                   of Committee                                                                                 
                                   MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                  
05/09/02                (H)        FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE                                                                 
                                   519                                                                                          
05/09/02                (H)        Moved HCS CSSB 270(FIN) Out                                                                  
                                   of Committee                                                                                 
                                   MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                  
05/09/02     3462       (H)        L&C RPT HCS(L&C) 2DP 4NR                                                                     
05/09/02     3462       (H)        DP: ROKEBERG, CRAWFORD; NR:                                                                  
                                   MEYER,                                                                                       
05/09/02     3462       (H)        KOTT, HALCRO, MURKOWSKI                                                                      
05/09/02     3463       (H)        LETTER OF INTENT WITH L&C                                                                    
                                   REPORT                                                                                       
05/09/02     3463       (H)        FN1: (CED)                                                                                   
05/10/02     3485       (H)        FIN RPT HCS(FIN) 8DP                                                                         
05/10/02     3485       (H)        DP: BUNDE, WHITAKER, HARRIS,                                                                 
                                   DAVIES,                                                                                      
05/10/02     3485       (H)        LANCASTER, HUDSON, FOSTER,                                                                   
                                   WILLIAMS                                                                                     
05/10/02     3486       (H)        FN2: (H.FIN/CED)                                                                             
05/11/02                (H)        RLS AT 9:30 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PEGGY WILSON                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 409                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Explained additions to SB 115 relating to                                                                  
the Board of Marital and Family Therapy.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DENNY DeWITT, Staff                                                                                                             
to Representative Eldon Mulder                                                                                                  
House Finance Committee                                                                                                         
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 507                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Explained additions to SB 115 relating to                                                                  
the extension of the Regulatory Commission of Alaska.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CAROL CARROLL, Director                                                                                                         
Administrative Services Division                                                                                                
Department of Military & Veterans' Affairs                                                                                      
400 Willoughby Suite 500                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska 99811                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented CSSB 235(STA) on behalf of the                                                                   
administration, the sponsor of SB 235.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
RANDY RUARO, Staff                                                                                                              
to Representative William Williams                                                                                              
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 515                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Explained the portion of SB 345 that is                                                                    
related to HB 312.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD SCHMITZ                                                                                                                 
Staff to Representative Jeannette James                                                                                         
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 214                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Explained the portion of SB 345 relating to                                                                
HB 464.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SARA WRIGHT, Staff                                                                                                              
to Senator Dave Donley                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 506                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented SB 222 on behalf of the sponsor.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JULIA GRIMES, Lieutenant                                                                                                        
Division of Alaska State Troopers                                                                                               
Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                                               
5700 East Tudor Road                                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska  99507                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions relating to SB 222.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ANNE CARPENETI, Assistant Attorney General                                                                                      
Legal Services Section-Juneau                                                                                                   
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Department of Law (DOL)                                                                                                         
PO Box 110300                                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska  99811-0300                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions relating to SB 222.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDREW HALCRO                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 414                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified as the sponsor of HB 271, which                                                                 
is incorporated in HCS CSSB 191, Version S.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LINDA SYLVESTER, Staff                                                                                                          
to Representative Kott                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 204                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Explained the portion of CSSB 191(JUD)                                                                     
relating to HB 319.  Discussed the transitional provision of HCS                                                                
CSSB 270, Version U.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CON BUNDE                                                                                                        
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room 501                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on the Alaska Air Carrier's                                                                      
Association position on HCS CSSB 191, Version S.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER BRAKES, Staff                                                                                                           
to Senator Gene Therriault                                                                                                      
Joint Committee on Legislative Budget & Audit                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Capitol Building, Room                                                                                                          
Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on behalf of the sponsor of SB                                                                   
270.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CATHERINE REARDON, Director                                                                                                     
Division of Occupational Licensing                                                                                              
Department of Community & Economic Development                                                                                  
PO Box 110806                                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska  99811-0806                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Expressed the need for a 2004 sunset for                                                                   
the Board of Dispensing Opticians.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-12, SIDE A                                                                                                              
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PETE  KOTT  called  the  House  Rules  Standing  Committee                                                               
meeting  to order  at 9:47  a.m.   Representatives Kott,  Porter,                                                               
Kohring, Morgan,  McGuire, Berkowitz,  and Joule were  present at                                                               
the call  to order.   Representatives  James, Guess,  Taylor, and                                                               
Kerttula were also in attendance.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SB 115-EXTEND BOARD OF STORAGE TANK ASSISTANCE                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT  announced that the  first order of business  would be                                                               
SENATE BILL  NO. 115, "An  Act extending the termination  date of                                                               
the Board of Storage Tank Assistance."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER   moved  to  adopt   Version  22-LS0634\F,                                                               
Lauterbach, 5/10/02,  as the  working document.   There  being no                                                               
objection, Version F was before the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0096                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PEGGY WILSON,  Alaska State Legislature, explained                                                               
that Sections  1-7 bring Alaska  Statutes for marital  and family                                                               
therapy in  line with laws  regarding other professionals  in the                                                               
state and nation.  Furthermore, it  adds the Board of Marital and                                                               
Family  Therapy  to the  list  of  professionals with  which  the                                                               
department can contract.   She informed the  committee that these                                                               
changes were passed by the full House unanimously.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   KOTT   clarified   that    the   changes   discussed   by                                                               
Representative Wilson  were seen  and approved  by the  House [in                                                               
previous House legislation].                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
0154                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DENNY  DeWITT,  Staff  to   Representative  Eldon  Mulder,  House                                                               
Finance  Committee,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  explained  that                                                               
Sections 10,  11, and 16  relate to the Regulatory  Commission of                                                               
Alaska (RCA).  These sections  would extend the RCA through 2006,                                                               
and would  allow the  RCA to  approve settlements.   Furthermore,                                                               
these sections would establish timelines  negotiated with the RCA                                                               
and  the industry.    Mr.  DeWitt noted  that  these changes  are                                                               
supported by most of the industry and the RCA.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  asked  if the  language  contained  in                                                               
Sections 10,  11, and 16  is identical  to that contained  in the                                                               
bill [HB 333] that passed the House.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DeWITT said that is his understanding.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT related his belief  that the language is identical [to                                                               
that found in HB 333].                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0265                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   PORTER  related   his  understanding   that  the                                                               
legislation  dealing with  the Council  on  Domestic Violence  is                                                               
moving  in  the  other  body.    Therefore,  he  moved  that  the                                                               
committee delete page 1, lines 3-5, and Sections 8, 9, and 13.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT reiterated  that this amendment is  being made because                                                               
this measure is moving in the Senate on its own.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE withdrew her objection.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Therefore, the amendment was adopted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0381                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE  moved to report  HCS SB 115,  Version 22-                                                               
LS0634\F, Lauterbach,  5/10/02, as amended out  of committee with                                                               
individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE asked if the  fiscal note for SB 115 remains                                                               
correct [with the changes encompassed in Version F].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER  said,  "I  think ...  the  drafter  would                                                               
exclude it since it's now irrelevant to the bill."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE amended her  motion to include forthcoming                                                               
fiscal  notes.   There being  no objection,  HCS SB  115(RLS) was                                                               
reported from the House Rules Standing Committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SB 235-EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ASSISTANCE COMPACT                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT announced that the next  order of business would be CS                                                               
FOR SENATE BILL  NO. 235(STA), "An Act relating  to emergency and                                                               
disaster  relief  forces  as  state  employees  for  purposes  of                                                               
workers'  compensation   benefits;  relating  to   the  Emergency                                                               
Management  Assistance  Compact  and the  implementation  of  the                                                               
compact; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0469                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CAROL  CARROLL,   Director,  Administrative   Services  Division,                                                               
Department  of Military  &  Veterans'  Affairs (DMVA),  presented                                                               
CSSB 235(STA) on behalf of  the administration, the sponsor of SB                                                               
235.   She  explained  that  SB 235  allows  Alaska  to join  the                                                               
Emergency Management Assistance Compact,  which is a compact that                                                               
allows states  to send resources  [between each other] and  to be                                                               
reimbursed for the use of  those resources.  Therefore, if Alaska                                                               
joined the compact and didn't have  the resources to respond to a                                                               
disaster,  Alaska  could  call  another  state  that  would  send                                                               
resources.     This   legislation  also   clarifies  that   those                                                               
volunteers working  for the state  under DMVA are covered  by the                                                               
state's  workers'  compensation.   However,  she  specified  that                                                               
those  volunteers  must  be  on  an  active  roster  working  for                                                               
emergency  services.     Ms.  Carroll  informed   the  committee,                                                               
"Indications  are  that  the  first  responder  money,  the  $3.5                                                               
billion,  coming  from the  feds  may  certainly be  attached  to                                                               
members ... of  an assistance compact."   Therefore, this compact                                                               
might be one  which states are required to be  a member of before                                                               
the first responder money could be received.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT,  in response  to Representative  Berkowitz, explained                                                               
that SB  235 was referred  to the House Rules  Standing Committee                                                               
in order  to meet the  standing committee  hearing [requirement].                                                               
There  being  no one  else  who  wished  to testify,  Chair  Kott                                                               
announced that public testimony was closed.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0591                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  McGUIRE  moved to  report  CSSB  235(STA) out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.   There  being  no  objection, CSSB  235(STA)  was                                                               
reported from the House Rules Standing Committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SB 345-EDUC. FUNDING/DISABLED/CORRESPONDENCE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT  announced that  the next order  of business  would be                                                               
SENATE BILL NO.  345, "An Act relating to  medical assistance for                                                               
rehabilitative services  for certain children  with disabilities;                                                               
relating  to agreements  to pay  medical  assistance for  covered                                                               
services  paid  for  or  furnished   to  eligible  children  with                                                               
disabilities  by   a  school  district;  and   providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0645                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  McGUIRE  moved   to  adopt  Version  22-LS1602\L,                                                               
Lauterbach, 5/10/02,  as the  working document.   There  being no                                                               
objection, Version L was before the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0671                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RANDY  RUARO, Staff  to Representative  William Williams,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature, explained  the portion of SB  345 that relates                                                               
to HB 312.  Section 9  of the legislation suspends the erosion of                                                               
the supplemental  funding floor for  fiscal year 2003,  which was                                                               
created by  SB 36.  The  suspension is for only  one year because                                                               
the legislature should  have a new study of  school district cost                                                               
factors, which should  provide a base of information  on which to                                                               
make decisions  relating to school  funding.  Section  10 removes                                                               
the Alyeska  Central School from  its previous manner  of funding                                                               
and changes it to more of a foundation formula type of funding.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT recalled that this matter  was before the House as [HB                                                               
312] and experienced unanimous consent.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. RUARO agreed with Chair Kott's recollection.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0762                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD SCHMITZ, Staff to  Representative Jeannette James, Alaska                                                               
State Legislature, explained that  Version L incorporates HB 464,                                                               
which  passed the  House  37:0.   In  response to  Representative                                                               
Joule, Mr. Schmitz specified that  the language beginning on page                                                               
3, line 8, through page 4, line 13, relates to HB 464.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHMITZ informed  the committee that there  was one technical                                                               
change on  page 3, line  18.   The language "review  of" replaces                                                               
the  original  language  in  HB 464  which  was  "evaluation  and                                                               
grading".   This change  was made  in order  to use  the language                                                               
that the state uses in the related regulations.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE inquired as to where "review" is defined.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHMITZ said that he couldn't answer that question.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE  noted her assumption that  "review" would                                                               
include grading  of materials  in some  standard [fashion].   She                                                               
expressed the need for there to be meaningful review.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT, determining there was  no one else to testify, closed                                                               
public testimony.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0914                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  moved to  report HCS  SB 345,  Version 22-                                                               
LS1602\L, Lauterbach,  5/10/02, out of committee  with individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying fiscal notes.   There being                                                               
no objection, HCS  SB 345(RLS) was reported from  the House Rules                                                               
Standing Committee.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SB 222-REQUIRE SLOW DRIVERS TO PULL OVER                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT announced that the next  order of business would be CS                                                               
FOR SENATE BILL  NO. 222(FIN), "An Act relating  to certain motor                                                               
vehicles that are required to yield to following traffic."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease from 10:06 a.m. to 10:10 a.m.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1002                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE moved to  adopt Version 22-LS0611\X as the                                                               
working  document.   There  being  no  objection, Version  X  was                                                               
before the committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SARA  WRIGHT,   Staff  to  Senator  Dave   Donley,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  presented SB  222 on  behalf of  the sponsor.   Ms.                                                               
Wright  explained   that  current  Alaska   regulations  prohibit                                                               
traffic traveling slower than the  posted speed limit with a line                                                               
of five  or more vehicles  [behind the slow driver].   Therefore,                                                               
SB  222 places  this regulation  in statute  and raises  the fine                                                               
from $30  to $100.   With  the cooperation  of the  Department of                                                               
Transportation   &  Public   Facilities   it  increases   signage                                                               
informing motorists of the existing regulation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. WRIGHT turned  to Version X, and informed  the committee that                                                               
Senator Donley doesn't support Section  2, which was added by the                                                               
House  Finance  Committee.   She  noted  that the  Department  of                                                               
Public  Safety is  present  to answer  questions  with regard  to                                                               
Senator Donley's opposition.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1076                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  inquired as  to the  difference between                                                               
Version T and Version X.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  related his belief that  the difference is                                                               
the reference  to traveling at a  speed five or more  miles below                                                               
the speed limit.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOTT  specified  that  the   difference  between  the  two                                                               
versions is encompassed in Section 1(b).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1114                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JULIA  GRIMES, Lieutenant,  Division  of  Alaska State  Troopers,                                                               
Department of Public Safety  (DPS), testified via teleconference.                                                               
She turned  to Section 2  and asked whether the  sponsor's intent                                                               
is to  merely eliminate the  double fines if someone  exceeds the                                                               
reduced  work   zone  speed  limit,   or  is  the   intention  to                                                               
automatically restore  the originally posted speed  limit when no                                                               
workers are present in the work zone.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  answered with his understanding  that it's                                                               
an attempt to  eliminate double fines and return the  zone to the                                                               
normal speed limit when no workers are present in the work zone.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  surmised then that this  exemption from                                                               
double fines would only apply to this violation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1231                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ANNE  CARPENETI,  Assistant   Attorney  General,  Legal  Services                                                               
Section-Juneau,  Criminal  Division,  Department  of  Law  (DOL),                                                               
related  her  belief  that  Section   2  doubles  the  fines  for                                                               
violations  in  work  zones.   This  amendment  would  limit  the                                                               
violation  to cases  in which  workers are  present.   Therefore,                                                               
there is  concern with regard to  long work zones.   She posed an                                                               
example in  which one is speeding  at mile one -  where there are                                                               
no  workers -  but there  are workers  at mile  three; she  asked                                                               
whether the  [double fine] would  apply.  She expressed  the need                                                               
for clarification on that matter.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE noted that much of  the road work is done in                                                               
the  summer, which  is a  high  traffic time.   Furthermore,  the                                                               
roads are often  in bad shape and traveling  the regularly posted                                                               
speed after the  work zone may still place the  driver and others                                                               
in danger.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER pointed out that  there is another law, the                                                               
basic speed law,  that covers such situations.  One  may never go                                                               
faster than  the conditions of  the road or  circumstances allow,                                                               
no matter the  posted speed limit.  This  [section] merely refers                                                               
to the double  fines and thus all [other] violations  that may or                                                               
may not occur remain in  effect.  Representative Porter said that                                                               
clarification  could  be  achieved  by  inserting  the  following                                                               
language:    "workers  present  anywhere  in  the  area  that  is                                                               
posted".                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1329                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  noted   that  often  work/construction                                                               
zones have  posted speed limits  for the  zone itself.   From his                                                               
experience,  proving that  workers were  present invites  another                                                               
component  of  proof  for  the  prosecution.   There  is  a  wide                                                               
variation  in regard  to  what "present"  means.   Therefore,  he                                                               
suggested tying  the double fine  to something like  the presence                                                               
of equipment.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MORGAN   recalled  his   time  working   in  road                                                               
construction,  and  noted  his   agreement  with  Section  2  [as                                                               
specified in Version X].  He  stressed the need to drive slow and                                                               
pay attention in construction zones.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE mentioned that  laws such [as double fines                                                               
in work  zones] serve as a  deterrent.  Such laws  caution people                                                               
that  there  will  be  increased   penalties  for  violations  in                                                               
construction zones.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1506                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE  inquired as  to how  the public  would know                                                               
when people  are working in the  construction zone.  In  order to                                                               
utilize this exemption, will it  be necessary to post work hours,                                                               
he asked.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WRIGHT said  that  according to  the  Alaska Traffic  Manual                                                               
Supplement,  signage  won't  be  placed  where  conditions  don't                                                               
warrant and thus are removed  or covered when [unsafe] conditions                                                               
cease to exist.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT  posed a  situation in  which one  is driving  a motor                                                               
home on  a highway in rural  Alaska with a posted  speed limit of                                                               
55 miles per  hour (mph).  If  the motor home is  traveling at 55                                                               
mph and there are five vehicles  behind the motor home, would the                                                               
motor home be required to pull over.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. WRIGHT replied no.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1611                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOHRING remarked  that  keeping  Section 2  would                                                               
potentially  result in  a less  safe situation  because it  makes                                                               
[the  double   fines]  applicable   when  workers   are  present.                                                               
Therefore,  he  surmised  that elimination  of  Section  2  would                                                               
result  in a  higher  standard, and  therefore safer  conditions.                                                               
Representative Kohring moved the following conceptual amendment:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 2,                                                                                                            
         Delete "and to fines committed in highway work                                                                         
     zones"                                                                                                                     
          Delete Section 2                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOHRING  highlighted that the deletion  of Section                                                               
2 doesn't  eliminate the double  fines because that  is currently                                                               
in law.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WRIGHT,  in   response  to  Chair  Kott,   agreed  that  the                                                               
aforementioned  conceptual  amendment   is  consistent  with  the                                                               
sponsor's intent.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOTT  asked  if  there was  objection  to  the  conceptual                                                               
amendment.  There was no  objection, and therefore the conceptual                                                               
amendment was adopted.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1740                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  returned to  Section 1, and  noted that                                                               
he is a bit  perplexed by the 5 or more miles  per hour below the                                                               
posted speed  limit.  He posed  a situation in which  there was a                                                               
55 mph  speed limit and there  is someone driving at  that speed.                                                               
He recalled  that with radar guns  there is a 10  percent buffer.                                                               
Therefore, if  someone is pulled over  for traveling 50 mph  in a                                                               
55 mph  zone, it would seem  that the speed would  be within that                                                               
10 percent  buffer.  Representative Berkowitz  characterized that                                                               
as  problematic from  the proof  perspective.   He expressed  the                                                               
need for a more discretionary way of phrasing [the violation].                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER remarked  that he  believes Representative                                                               
Berkowitz is  confusing law enforcement tolerances  with the law.                                                               
"The law enforcement tolerance has to  be based on the law in the                                                               
first place," he  said.  Therefore, he suggested  leaving the law                                                               
as it is.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1810                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE moved to report  HCS CSSB 222, Version 22-                                                               
LS0611\X,   as  amended   out   of   committee  with   individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying fiscal notes.   There being                                                               
no  objection, HCS  CSSB  222(RLS) was  reported  from the  House                                                               
Rules Standing Committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 191-INSURANCE POOLING BY AIR CARRIERS                                                                                      
CHAIR KOTT announced that the next  order of business would be CS                                                               
FOR  SENATE BILL  NO.  191(JUD), "An  Act  relating to  insurance                                                               
pooling by air carriers."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1836                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE moved to  adopt Version 22-LS0590\S, Ford,                                                               
5/9/02, as the working document.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ objected.    He pointed  out that  tort                                                               
reform is [available] and the punitive  caps are in place for the                                                               
most  part.   Therefore,  he objected  to incorporating  punitive                                                               
caps  with  regard  to  aviation.    Secondarily,  Representative                                                               
Berkowitz  said  that  it  seems  to be  a  stretch  to  shoehorn                                                               
commercial recreational activities that aren't aircraft related.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT related his understanding  that those who testified on                                                               
insurance pooling  with aircraft  carriers testified that  SB 191                                                               
was hollow since there was no funding mechanism.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote  was taken.   Representatives  Morgan, McGuire,                                                               
Joule,   Porter,   and   Kott   voted   to   adopt   Version   S.                                                               
Representatives Kohring and Berkowitz  voted against the adoption                                                               
of Version  S.   Therefore, Version  S was adopted  by a  vote of                                                               
4:2.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 10:30 a.m. to 10:34 a.m.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1974                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   ANDREW   HALCRO,   Alaska   State   Legislature,                                                               
testified as the  sponsor of HB 271, which is  incorporated in SB                                                               
191.    Representative  Halcro  explained that  Version  S  is  a                                                               
comprehensive approach  to a number  a growing industries  in the                                                               
state.   He characterized  it as improving  the exposure  risk of                                                               
these industries,  and their ability  to calculate  that exposure                                                               
risk while  being able to  obtain affordable  insurance coverage.                                                               
Representative Halcro  recalled the testimony heard  in the House                                                               
Labor and  Commerce Standing  Committee on this  issue.   Most of                                                               
that testimony  was from small  Alaskan business owners,  many of                                                               
which are  in the  tourism industry.   The  testimony highlighted                                                               
the  threat of  punitive damages,  which  drives up  the cost  of                                                               
business and creates an uncertain  insurance market.  Alaska is a                                                               
very geographically challenging and  diverse state.  For example,                                                               
in some communities one can only  arrive by air.  However, due to                                                               
the crippling  cost of insurance,  carriers have  been [leaving].                                                               
He  pointed out  that two  portions  of Version  S passed  nearly                                                               
unanimously  in   the  House.     Furthermore,  there   has  been                                                               
widespread  support from  the  industry.   Representative  Halcro                                                               
explained that  [Version S]  puts in  place a  pooling structure.                                                               
Therefore, if  the funds  are obtained,  rules and  procedures of                                                               
the pool can  be established to govern it.   And, hopefully, such                                                               
actions  would provide  a stable  insurance market  for [the  air                                                               
carriers] and those in the relevant tourism market.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ inquired  as  to  how the  recreational                                                               
activity  provisions  assist  in   the  goal  of  protecting  air                                                               
carriers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO  said the two industries,  air carriers and                                                               
tourism, go  hand-in-hand.  Many  of the  recreational activities                                                               
are provided after the people are  flown into an area.  These two                                                               
particular  industries  are  both  incredibly  important  to  the                                                               
growth of Alaska and its economy, he said.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2128                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LINDA  SYLVESTER,  Staff  to Representative  Kott,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, announced  that she would  address Section 2  of HCS                                                               
CSSB 191.  She explained  that Section 2 establishes the doctrine                                                               
of  inherent risk  for  participants  in commercial  recreational                                                               
activities.  Participation in  a commercial recreational activity                                                               
constitutes  an  acceptance of  inherent  risk.   Therefore,  the                                                               
participant  is  contributively  negligent  to  the  extent  that                                                               
injuries result  from the inherent  risk, which is  separate from                                                               
an operator's negligence.  This  isn't an absolute shield against                                                               
negligence and  thus the parties  can always  go to court  when a                                                               
risk falls  in a  gray area.   This is  based on  the stipulation                                                               
that  the parties  have responsibilities  that they  must uphold,                                                               
and  in certain  situations  some of  the recreational  operators                                                               
will  have  to increase  the  standards  of notification  to  the                                                               
participants.   Stipulating  the  responsibilities  for both  the                                                               
operators   and  the   participants  reduces   the  uncertainties                                                               
regarding the  legal responsibility for resulting  injuries.  Ms.                                                               
Sylvester said, "This legislation  is very important to encourage                                                               
the   continued   availability   of  the   outdoor   recreational                                                               
opportunities that are synonymous with Alaska."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER read  the following statement from  an operator who                                                               
has  been requesting  this legislation  for  the last  six or  so                                                               
years.  She read the statement as follows:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     You probably  don't notice  many businesses  going away                                                                    
     from specific  injury suits;  that's generally  not how                                                                    
     this happens.   What  happens is the  cost and  time of                                                                    
     defending  yourself  from  these   claims  as  well  as                                                                    
     drastically  increasing   insurance  rates   starts  to                                                                    
     outweigh the  advantages of  owning your  own business.                                                                    
     The  bottom line  gets eaten  away enough  so that  the                                                                    
     risk  is  no longer  worth  it.    At that  point,  the                                                                    
     business either tries to sell or they just go away.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  if any  of these  companies have                                                               
approached the insurance  companies and inquired as  to how their                                                               
rates would change if this legislation were to pass.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER  pointed out that  such information  is proprietary                                                               
information  that  isn't  available.     She  recalled  that  the                                                               
sponsor's staff suggested  that it would take  $1.5-$5 million to                                                               
capitalize the  insurance pool for aircraft  liability.  However,                                                               
Representative  Halcro's  research  revealed figures  of  between                                                               
$30-$50 million because one [incident]  will potentially cost $10                                                               
million.   Ms. Sylvester mentioned  the hush money paid  to avoid                                                               
suits, and noted that it does have an impact on insurance rates.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ   surmised  that  the  answer   to  his                                                               
question  is no.   He  then turned  his focus  to the  commercial                                                               
recreational activity.  He posed a  situation in which there is a                                                               
bus  accident   and  the   bus  is   involved  in   a  commercial                                                               
recreational  activity such  as  rafting.   The  accident is  the                                                               
result of  negligence.  Therefore, he  interpreted this provision                                                               
to mean that  the employee of the raft company  would be entitled                                                               
to damages, whereas the client wouldn't be.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER said that this  provision of statute doesn't negate                                                               
anyone's ability to take their claim to court.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  indicated  agreement  with  that,  but                                                               
pointed  out that  the  provision  says that  a  client  is in  a                                                               
different  position than  someone  who  is paid  to  engage in  a                                                               
recreational activity.   Therefore, he suspected  that it invites                                                               
the specter of  equal protection problems because  there could be                                                               
one  accident  with two  victims  and  two different  avenues  of                                                               
recourse.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-12, SIDE B                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2357                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER   commented  that  the  purpose   of  this                                                               
legislation is to  recognize the inherent risk not  other acts of                                                               
negligence.  Other  acts of negligence are just  that, and anyone                                                               
can file  suit on anyone's negligence.   For example, if  one was                                                               
white  water  rafting  and  didn't   hold  onto  the  rope,  that                                                               
individual  should  recognize  that  he/she may  [fall  into  the                                                               
water].  Therefore,  this individual shouldn't be  able to [bring                                                               
a suit] because of the  individual's own negligence.  However, if                                                               
the rope broke because of  improper maintenance that would be due                                                               
to negligence and the individual would be able to bring suit.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  continued with  Representative Porter's                                                               
example of  the rope  breaking and specified  that the  guide and                                                               
the client are  hanging on.  Under the definitions  of this bill,                                                               
the guide  hasn't accepted  the inherent  risks because  the only                                                               
person  who  accepts  it  are those  engaged  in  the  commercial                                                               
recreational  activity.   To  engage  in commercial  recreational                                                               
activity  means  that the  individual  has  paid compensation  to                                                               
engage  in the  activity.    However, the  guide  hasn't paid  to                                                               
engage  in  the commercial  recreation  activity  but rather  the                                                               
guide is  paid to engage  in the commercial  recreation activity.                                                               
Therefore, there could  be one accident impacting  two people but                                                               
they  would have  to  pursue two  different  aspects of  justice.                                                               
Representative  Berkowitz said  such a  situation seems  to raise                                                               
equal protection questions.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  said that  Representative  Berkowitz's                                                               
example  presumes  that the  guide  [of  a commercial  recreation                                                               
activity] will sue his/her employer.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease from 10:46 a.m. to 10:50 a.m.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT closed public testimony.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2241                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  moved a conceptual amendment  to strike                                                               
the portions of Version S  dealing [with the doctrine of inherent                                                               
risk related to commercial recreation activities].                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT objected.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ expressed  the need  maintain focus  on                                                               
air  carriers  [since   that  is  the  subject   of  this  bill].                                                               
Furthermore,  the definition  of  recreational  activity is  very                                                               
broad.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT informed  the committee that there  has been testimony                                                               
that   the  air   carriers  support   all   components  of   this                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOHRING expressed  concern  that modification  of                                                               
the bill could result in its death.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2170                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO  agreed with  Chair  Kott  that the  House                                                               
Labor  and Commerce  Standing Committee  heard testimony  that SB                                                               
191 in and of itself,  without the funding mechanism, is useless.                                                               
He noted that  the pooling can occur now.   Representative Halcro                                                               
stressed that  the air carriers  are looking for  real solutions.                                                               
Currently, the  industry has  attempted to  create its  own pool,                                                               
but has found  that the risks and payments are  no different than                                                               
current market conditions.  In order  to capitalize as a pool, at                                                               
least $30  million is necessary.   Representative Halcro informed                                                               
the committee  that the air  carriers did  support SB 191  and HB                                                               
271.    Representative  Halcro,  in  response  to  Representative                                                               
Joule, confirmed  that the air  carriers supported HB  319, which                                                               
is  the other  component of  the bill  [relating to  the inherent                                                               
risk  of   commercial  recreational   activities].     All  three                                                               
components  of  [Version  S]  are supported  by  the  Alaska  Air                                                               
Carrier's  Association because  they  feel  it's a  comprehensive                                                               
approach,  although, in  response to  Representative Kohring,  he                                                               
specified that  all three components  have never been  before the                                                               
association in one bill.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2035                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CON BUNDE, Alaska  State Legislature, informed the                                                               
committee that the  director of the association has  asked if the                                                               
three bills  could be consolidated.   Therefore, he said  he felt                                                               
comfortable [in their support of Version S].                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER pointed  out that  one of  the differences                                                               
between  [the  coverage  for]  employees   and  clients  is  that                                                               
employees are  covered by workers'  compensation and  clients are                                                               
not.  Representative  Porter related his belief that  there is an                                                               
appropriate balance of coverage.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ reminded the  committee that there is an                                                               
amendment before the committee.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote was  taken.  Representatives  Berkowitz, Joule,                                                               
and   Kohring  voted   for  the   adoption   of  the   amendment.                                                               
Representatives Morgan,  McGuire, Porter, and Kott  voted against                                                               
adoption  of  the amendment.    Therefore,  the adoption  of  the                                                               
amendment failed by a vote of 3:4.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1959                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ moved  that the  committee "delete  the                                                               
sections  of [Chair  Kott's] bill  [included in  Version S  of SB                                                               
191] that are not directly related  to aircraft."  He offered the                                                               
amendment conceptually.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER  said that this amendment  is tantamount to                                                               
the previous amendment.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT objected to the amendment.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  reiterated  that the  intent  of  this                                                               
amendment  is  to focus  the  bill  solely  on aircraft  and  air                                                               
carriers and  thus would remove references  to other recreational                                                               
activities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote was  taken.  Representatives  Berkowitz, Joule,                                                               
and   Kohring  voted   for  the   adoption   of  the   amendment.                                                               
Representatives McGuire,  Porter, Morgan, and Kott  voted against                                                               
the adoption  of the amendment.   Therefore, the adoption  of the                                                               
amendment failed by a vote of 3:4.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1887                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER moved  to report HCS CSSB  191, Version 22-                                                               
LS0590\S,  Ford,   5/9/02,  out  of  committee   with  individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying fiscal notes.   There being                                                               
no  objection, HCS  CSSB  191(RLS) was  reported  from the  House                                                               
Rules Standing Committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 270-DISPENSING OPTICIANS:EXTEND BD/REGULATION                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
CS  FOR  SENATE   BILL  NO.  270(L&C),  "An   Act  extending  the                                                               
termination date  of the Board of  Dispensing Opticians; relating                                                               
to the regulation  of dispensing opticians; and  providing for an                                                               
effective date."  Chair Kott noted  that there is an HCS, Version                                                               
22-LS1382\U, Laurterbach, 5/10/02.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1845                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER  BRAKES,   Staff  to   Senator  Gene   Therriault,  Joint                                                               
Committee   on  Legislative   Budget   &   Audit,  Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature,  testified  on  behalf  of the  sponsor,  the  Joint                                                               
Committee on Legislative  Budget & Audit.  She  explained that SB                                                               
270  was drafted  per the  audit recommendations  with regard  to                                                               
dispensing  opticians.     The   legislation  makes   changes  to                                                               
licensing requirements  that would remove barriers  to entry into                                                               
the profession.  These changes  are reflected in Sections 1-11 of                                                               
[Version U].   Furthermore, intent language stating  the need for                                                               
the  Board of  Dispensing Opticians  to address  its deficit  was                                                               
inserted.   The  intent  language also  specifies  that the  next                                                               
legislative audit review the board's progress in that area.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BRAKES  turned attention to Section  2, page 2, line  1.  She                                                               
recalled her  testimony before the  House Finance  Committee when                                                               
she  stated that  the sponsor  wouldn't have  any problem  with a                                                               
one-year extension.   She explained  that the  one-year extension                                                               
was seen  as a way to  send a message  to the board.   However, a                                                               
one-year extension would mean that  the legislative auditor would                                                               
have to  begin the review  now and  thus the board  wouldn't have                                                               
the  opportunity to  address the  deficit situation.   Therefore,                                                               
she suggested changing the extension to 2004.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOTT  recalled  that  the  2004  extension  was  the  date                                                               
specified  when  the  bill  left the  House  Labor  and  Commerce                                                               
Standing  Committee.    Although  he understood  that  the  House                                                               
Finance Committee wanted  to send the board a message  via a one-                                                               
year extension,  Chair Kott said  he understood that  many boards                                                               
operate in the red.  The division sets the fees, he noted.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1748                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CATHERINE REARDON, Director,  Division of Occupational Licensing,                                                               
Department  of Community  & Economic  Development (DCED),  agreed                                                               
that the  division sets  the fees  and is  ultimately responsible                                                               
for  any failure  to be  financially self-sufficient.   She  also                                                               
agreed that  various boards  fall into  deficit at  various times                                                               
while  other  boards  have  a  surplus.   For  those  in  surplus                                                               
situations, the division adjusts their  fees so that deficits are                                                               
repaid.   Therefore,  it isn't  unusual for  a board  to be  in a                                                               
deficit  and  have  its  fees  adjusted in  order  to  repay  the                                                               
deficit.   Ms.  Reardon said  that  she would  appreciate a  2004                                                               
sunset  in order  that the  auditors can  see that  the fees  are                                                               
increased and  the result of the  increased fees.  It  seems that                                                               
the process  would be more  valuable if  the sunset is  2004, she                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ inquired  as  to what  would happen  if                                                               
there is no extension.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON explained that next  year would be the wind-down year                                                               
and  the  board  would  disappear  if  there  is  no  intervening                                                               
legislative  action.     However,  there  would   be  a  question                                                               
regarding whether the  division is to continue to  license in the                                                               
absence  of  the board.    Therefore,  in  such a  situation  the                                                               
legislature  would need  to make  conforming amendments  changing                                                               
references to the board to the department.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  if  the  wind-down status  would                                                               
adversely  impact   the  health  of  Alaskans   seeking  optician                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON answered that business  would continue as usual if it                                                               
seems  that the  legislature  is likely  to  continue the  board.                                                               
"There isn't a lot to do to wind down," she said.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  pointed  out   the  reduction  in  the                                                               
training  equivalent  from  6,000  hours  to  1,800  hours.    He                                                               
inquired as to  the reason for that reduction.   He also inquired                                                               
as to the national standard.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REARDON informed  the committee  that approximately  half of                                                               
all states regulate and issue  licenses for dispensing opticians.                                                               
For those states  that do, all but two have  licensing boards and                                                               
a  2-3 year  apprenticeship requirement.   She  noted that  1,000                                                               
hours equals about six months.   The current requirement is about                                                               
three  years and  this would  reduce it  to about  one year,  and                                                               
therefore  she  didn't  view  the   reduction  as  out  of  line.                                                               
Although   the  board   would've  preferred   3,000  hours,   the                                                               
legislative auditors  felt 3,000  [training] hours was  too much.                                                               
On the  other hand, this  legislation adds that a  board approved                                                               
course, such as the Career  Progression Program, be passed before                                                               
licensure.   Therefore, she  viewed that  requirement as  sort of                                                               
offsetting the reduction in training.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1549                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOULE posed  a situation  in which  the board  is                                                               
gone, and inquired as to how the  part of the bill related to the                                                               
expansion of the use of  pharmaceutical agents by optometrists is                                                               
tied to the  portion of the bill related to  the extension of the                                                               
[board].                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON explained  that if the Board  of Dispensing Opticians                                                               
and the regulations for the  dispensing opticians are eliminated,                                                               
the   Board  of   Optometry  will   still   exist  and   regulate                                                               
optometrists.     The   second   half  of   the  bill   addresses                                                               
optometrists.   Ms. Reardon didn't  see that the two  sections of                                                               
the bill impacted each other.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT closed public testimony.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE  announced that  she doesn't like  HB 215,                                                               
which relates to  the to the use of pharmaceutical  agents in the                                                               
practice of  optometry.  Therefore,  she also announced  that she                                                               
would vote  against [HCS CSSB 270]  on the House floor.   Similar                                                               
measures  have  been rejected  in  five  other states  this  year                                                               
alone, she  pointed out.  She  remarked that this is  a dangerous                                                               
course  to take.    She  specified that  it's  more than  medical                                                               
school,   it's   the    residency   requirements   that   provide                                                               
ophthalmologists  extra  experience  with  regard  to  how  drugs                                                               
interact  with  other  drugs  and  diseases.    Furthermore,  she                                                               
expressed concern with the impact to rural Alaska.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1357                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOHRING moved  to adopt HCS CSSB  270, Version 22-                                                               
LS1382\U, Lauterbach, 5/10/02, as the working document.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ objected.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote  was taken.   Representatives  Porter, Kohring,                                                               
Morgan,  and Kott  voted  to adopt  Version  U.   Representatives                                                               
McGuire, Berkowitz,  and Joule voted against  adopting Version U.                                                               
Therefore, Version U was adopted by a vote of 4:3.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1298                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOTT   moved  that  the  committee   adopt  the  following                                                               
conceptual amendment:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert "2004"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, the conceptual amendment was adopted.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1275                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE moved the following amendment:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "1,800"                                                                                                    
          Insert "3,000"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BRAKES explained  that the  training hours  were reduced  to                                                               
1,800   due  to   testimony  from   opticians   and  its   board.                                                               
Originally,  SB  270  specified 3,000  [apprenticeship]  training                                                               
hours.  The  board testified that under  the 6,000 apprenticeship                                                               
training hours requirement, people  weren't passing the practical                                                               
exam.  The board felt that this  was happening due to the lack of                                                               
training  received  by  the  opticians.    Therefore,  the  board                                                               
expressed the need  to add the educational  piece, which averages                                                               
between  a  12-36 month  course.    Upon adding  the  educational                                                               
piece, the  apprenticeship training hours were  reduced to 1,800.                                                               
Ms.  Brakes  informed  the  committee   that  those  states  that                                                               
regulate opticians have  a 6,000 hour requirement  but don't have                                                               
an educational piece.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE withdrew the amendment.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ turned  to the  optometrist section  on                                                               
page 7 and  inquired as to why it's in  the uncodified section of                                                               
the law.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1060                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LINDA  SYLVESTER,  Staff  to Representative  Kott,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, explained that  the transitional provision addresses                                                               
the transition in which the  opticians would be able to prescribe                                                               
medication.  This  provision deals with the licensees.   She said                                                               
that the  intention is  to eliminate  the ability  to grandfather                                                               
and thus clarify  that those graduating from  an optometry school                                                               
prior to a  specified point wouldn't be able to  prescribe.  This                                                               
provision  isn't appropriate  in statute  because it  discusses a                                                               
transitional period  that will go  away at a particular  point in                                                               
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  said that he interpreted  the provision                                                               
to say that  one couldn't obtain this license  unless that person                                                               
received their initial license after 1999.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER  said she  has seen  that referred  to as  2000 and                                                               
later.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  asked, "So only the  young optometrists                                                               
or the new optometrists are going to have this license."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER  pointed to the Transitional  Section paragraph (2)                                                               
and  said that  the optometrists  would  need to  have "passed  a                                                               
course covering systemic  administration of pharmaceutical agents                                                               
that was offered by an accredited college of optometry".                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ   highlighted  that   the  Transitional                                                               
Section is written in the disjunctive due to the use of "or."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER  informed  the  committee   that  there  are  four                                                               
optometrists practicing  in Alaska  who graduated  from optometry                                                               
school  prior to  1968, which  was before  the medical  model was                                                               
instituted  in  schools   of  optometry.    The   intent  was  to                                                               
specifically not  qualify those optometrists.   She recalled that                                                               
this requirement was mentioned in the governor's veto letter.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ said that  under this language one could                                                               
have conceivably  received their  license to practice  after 1999                                                               
and  not have  taken  one  of those  courses,  while still  being                                                               
authorized to prescribe a pharmaceutical agent.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.   SYLVESTER   recalled   testimony  indicating   that   those                                                               
graduating  after 1999/2000  are fully  trained with  a four-year                                                               
degree in optometry,  which includes 3,000 hours  of clinical and                                                               
laboratory training.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ pointed out  that this [language] speaks                                                               
to  the initial  license not  graduation.   Therefore, one  could                                                               
have graduated in  1960 and not obtain the  initial license until                                                               
2000.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  McGUIRE noted  her agreement  with Representative                                                               
Berkowitz's reading.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0843                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REARDON related  her  belief that  although  Section 16  was                                                               
described  as  a  transitional  provision,   she  read  it  as  a                                                               
permanent part of law and  thus, perhaps, not most appropriate as                                                               
part of the uncodified law.   She interpreted [Section 16] to say                                                               
that  no one  can be  issued  an endorsement  to their  optometry                                                               
license that  allows prescription  of systemic drugs  unless they                                                               
obtain  an  initial license  after  1999  or have  the  specified                                                               
courses.  She read those  two qualifications as being in addition                                                               
to the requirements  in AS 08.72.175 on page 5.   If the language                                                               
is to mean one's initial  Alaskan license, then individuals could                                                               
be [coming on per their] credentials.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  whether one  could [practice  in                                                               
Alaska] with an initial license obtained from another country.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON answered  that the term isn't  defined, and therefore                                                               
[the initial license]  could be obtained in  another country, she                                                               
imagined.   If  the objective  is  to require  a training  course                                                               
either within the  regular degree course or  afterwards, then she                                                               
assumed that  those graduating after  1999 would have  the course                                                               
and  could  provide  [proof]  of   taking  the  course  in  their                                                               
transcripts in order to meet  qualification (2).  Therefore, it's                                                               
conceivable that qualification (1)  isn't necessary because those                                                               
graduating after  1999 with the  training could provide  proof of                                                               
that course in systemic administration.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REARDON  turned  to Section  17,  which  addresses  existing                                                               
endorsements.     She  informed  the  committee   that  currently                                                               
optometrists can  have endorsements on their  license that allows                                                               
them to  prescribe.   This law  expands the  type of  things that                                                               
optometrists  can  prescribe.     Currently,  [optometrists]  are                                                               
carrying  endorsements  that  allow  them  to  prescribe  topical                                                               
drugs,  not systemic  drugs.   Therefore, [Section  17] addresses                                                               
what to do  with those [with an endorsement  to prescribe topical                                                               
drugs].  As mentioned earlier,  the governor had the same concern                                                               
with legislation introduced last year.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0574                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PORTER asked if [Section  17] paragraph (2), which                                                               
refers  to   the  course  covering  systemic   administration  of                                                               
pharmaceutical  agents, is  presumed to  have occurred  for those                                                               
who have graduated after 1999.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON replied yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER  asked  whether  the  confusion  could  be                                                               
reduced with the elimination of [Section 17] paragraph (1).                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER related her belief  that this [Section 17 paragraph                                                               
(2)] was important in increasing a comfort level.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON  recalled concern  that there  was a  course training                                                               
people in [systemic administration].   [Section 17] paragraph (2)                                                               
is  very specific,  while [Section  17]  paragraph (1)  is a  bit                                                               
vague.  Therefore, [Section 17] paragraph (2) is preferable.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER  recalled  testimony   from  Linda  Kasser,  Dean,                                                               
University of  the Pacific, where  most Alaskan  optometrists are                                                               
trained.   Ms.  Kasser  testified that  there  are 17  optometric                                                               
colleges.   Although Ms. Kasser  said that  she has never  done a                                                               
side-by-side  analysis of  the curriculum,  she believes  they're                                                               
the same.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOTT related his confusion  with regard to the necessity of                                                               
[Section 17] paragraph (1).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER  returned  to Representative  Berkowitz's  earlier                                                               
question regarding  reciprocity.  She explained  that reciprocity                                                               
[statutes]  specify that  an  individual has  to  have a  current                                                               
license by examination in another state or province of Canada.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON highlighted  that what Ms. Sylvester  is referring to                                                               
is  the qualification  for obtaining  a  license by  reciprocity,                                                               
while  [the  language  in  the   bill]  refers  to  obtaining  an                                                               
endorsement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0355                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  inquired  as  to whether  there  is  a                                                               
standard [for the content] of the courses.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON replied  no, but pointed out that  the bill specifies                                                               
that the  course must be  approved by  the Board of  Examiners in                                                               
Optometry.  In further response  to Representative Berkowitz, Ms.                                                               
Reardon   explained  that   generally  the   board  would   write                                                               
regulations specifying  that the  board approves  courses meeting                                                               
specified parameters.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE  expressed her  concern that the  Board of                                                               
Examiners  in Optometry  is not  made up  of medical  doctors who                                                               
don't  have training  in systemic  drugs  and their  interactions                                                               
with the  body and other  diseases.  That  board is now  going to                                                               
establish  qualifications  for  the  group  that  will  prescribe                                                               
systemic drugs.   Therefore,  why wouldn't  the medical  board be                                                               
more logical to oversee this area, she asked.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER said  that the  testimony hasn't  been that  these                                                               
people aren't trained.   She informed the committee  that in 1968                                                               
optometrists  were  basically  opticians, then  a  revolution  of                                                               
training  occurred  and  colleges   adopted  the  medical  model.                                                               
Therefore,  optometrists  today  have  four  years  of  optometry                                                               
school  and  have  the  medical training.    Ms.  Sylvester  also                                                               
informed the committee  that all 50 states  allow optometrists to                                                               
prescribe  topical  drugs and  38  states  allow optometrists  to                                                               
prescribe systemic drugs.  She  mentioned that systemic drugs are                                                               
mainly antibiotics for the treatment of ocular disease.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE  interjected that systemic drugs  are more                                                               
than [antibiotics for  the treatment of ocular  disease].  "There                                                               
is the potential for it to be  a lot more than that," she pointed                                                               
out.   She  indicated that  she  might not  have that  much of  a                                                               
problem with this if the  language was narrowly crafted such that                                                               
it  referred   to  the  prescription  of   [antibiotics  for  the                                                               
treatment of  ocular disease].   However,  the language  is broad                                                               
and this  same group returns  to the legislature every  couple of                                                               
years requesting more.  She  expressed concern with the "slippery                                                               
slope"  effect.   She  questioned  why one  would  go to  medical                                                               
school [if this avenue exists].                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-13, SIDE A                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER  stressed that not  everyone wants to be  a medical                                                               
doctor; some  people want  to be dentists.   Dentists,  who don't                                                               
attend medical  school, are able to  provide systemic medications                                                               
to their  patients for dental.   Furthermore,  podiatrists aren't                                                               
medical  doctors  yet  are authorized  in  statute  to  prescribe                                                               
medications.  The  concept is that the medical  field is expanded                                                               
to include a number of different fields.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0061                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ inquired as to  the process by which the                                                               
other professions mentioned by Ms.  Sylvester prescribe drugs and                                                               
are licensed to do so.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REARDON   explained  that  generally  professions   such  as                                                               
dentists,  advanced  nurse practitioners,  physician  assistants,                                                               
and osteopaths,  don't have a separate  endorsement allowing them                                                               
to prescribe.   The training received in dental  school, which is                                                               
about the same  length as optometry school, has  been viewed such                                                               
that it's safe for a dentist to prescribe [drugs].                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ asked whether  any of the aforementioned                                                               
professions  have  the   authority  to  prescribe  pharmaceutical                                                               
agents by systemic administration.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON replied yes, they all do.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ inquired  as to  how those  professions                                                               
are  licensed.   Is that  licensure process  consistent with  the                                                               
proposal in this bill, he asked.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON  pointed out that  each licensing system  is slightly                                                               
different.    For dentists,  when  the  dentist receives  his/her                                                               
license, he/she  can prescribe systemic  drugs; there's  no extra                                                               
qualification  process to  do so.   Advanced  nurse practitioners                                                               
who want  to prescribe  controlled substances  have to  show that                                                               
they  have   specific  training   in  addition  to   their  basic                                                               
qualifications.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  whether [those  two professions]                                                               
are required to have any affiliation with a physician.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.   REARDON  specified   that  dentists   and  advanced   nurse                                                               
practitioners are  not required  to have  any affiliation  with a                                                               
physician.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER interjected:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Today  in   Alaska  you  have  a   situation  where  an                                                                    
     optometrist who is fully trained  to do this must go to                                                                    
     someone  who   is  lesser  trained  to   prescribe  the                                                                    
     medication because  Alaska statute doesn't  allow these                                                                    
     people  to   practice  at  the  full   level  of  their                                                                    
     training.   The question  isn't:   Are ophthalmologists                                                                    
     more  qualified.   They are.    The question  is:   Are                                                                    
     optometrists qualified?  And yes they are.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0319                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  moved  that the  committee  adopt  the                                                               
following amendment, Amendment 1:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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There being no objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0466                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  McGUIRE  moved  that   the  committee  adopt  the                                                               
following amendment, Amendment 2:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete lines 7-8 and 20-21                                                                                            
     Page 7, line 19,                                                                                                           
          Delete "either"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PORTER  noted  that  Amendment  2  would  require                                                               
conforming numbering changes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0509                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BERKOWITZ   questioned    whether   the   course                                                               
requirement without guidance  as to the content of  the course is                                                               
problematic.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOULE pointed  out that the Board  of Examiners of                                                               
Optometry decides the content of the course.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  pointed  out  that there  could  be  a                                                               
situation  in  which someone  could  take  a course  in  systemic                                                               
administration  of pharmaceutical  agents but  want to  prescribe                                                               
different pharmaceutical agents.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REARDON remarked  on the  difficulty  in having  a law  that                                                               
requires  an  individual  to  take  a  course  in  prescribing  a                                                               
particular systemic agent because  new drugs are developed daily.                                                               
She pointed out that there  is a continuing education requirement                                                               
for optometrists who have endorsements to prescribe.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  clarified  that  wasn't  what  he  was                                                               
suggesting.    He specified  that  there  are different  systemic                                                               
administrations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. SYLVESTER  informed the committee that  these are established                                                               
courses by  schools of optometry.   Optometrists, including those                                                               
in Alaska, are  already taking these courses.  If  this bill were                                                               
to  become law,  optometrists  in Alaska  would  take the  course                                                               
again.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ said, "There's a  piece of me that wants                                                               
to say,  'and approved  by the Boards  of Examiners  in Optometry                                                               
and Ophthalmology meeting in joint session'."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE concurred, and  mentioned inclusion of the                                                               
medical board as well.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0693                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   McGUIRE  inquired   as  to   the  inclusion   of                                                               
anaphylaxis.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.   SYLVESTER  explained   that   the   current  law   prevents                                                               
optometrists  from   injecting,  which  is  how   anaphylaxis  is                                                               
administered.   Therefore, the  inclusion allows  this particular                                                               
injection for first aid.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE asked why a  law is necessary for this and                                                               
why it's included  in a licensing requirements.   She viewed this                                                               
as opening up an entire area of practice.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON  recalled that  there is concern  that the  law would                                                               
prevent  an   optometrist  from  administering   an  anaphylactic                                                               
injection because their prescriptive  authority wouldn't allow it                                                               
in a medical emergency.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  McGUIRE characterized  it as  a liability  issue,                                                               
and asked if it is.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON said that she didn't know.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SYLVESTER   noted  that  the   liability  issue   was  never                                                               
discussed.   From discussions with optometrists,  the concern was                                                               
that  they are  the  one  group that  aren't  allowed to  perform                                                               
injections  per statute.   Therefore,  one could  argue that  the                                                               
liability is skewed in the other direction.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0892                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BERKOWITZ  turned   to   the  requirements   for                                                               
ophthalmologists  and  referred  to  page  3 of  the  bill.    He                                                               
highlighted the  requirement of passing  the examination  with an                                                               
acceptable  score   versus  merely   passing  a  course.     [The                                                               
optometrist  requirements  that   are  being  established]  don't                                                               
specify  a requirement  for an  acceptable  score.   Furthermore,                                                               
there is no experience requirement [for optometrists].                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REARDON  said  that  the assumption  is  that  "passing  the                                                               
course"  means that  the  individual  successfully completed  the                                                               
course.   She  mentioned that  this would  be based  on what  the                                                               
school requires  for passing its  courses.  She pointed  out that                                                               
this is the case with other professions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1035                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOTT  asked  whether  there is  a  problem  with  removing                                                               
paragraph (1) from Sections 16 and 17.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON replied no.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE McGUIRE inquired  as to what would  happen if this                                                               
bill doesn't pass.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON  said that  the opticians would  go into  a wind-down                                                               
year   and  would   return  to   the   legislature  and   request                                                               
introduction of legislation continuing the board.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KOTT mentioned  the concern  that a  wind-down year  would                                                               
have some negative effect.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON specified  that it depends upon the board.   In terms                                                               
of occupational  licensing boards,  there isn't  much disturbance                                                               
created.  However, for those  boards involved with the regulation                                                               
of an  industry, such as with  the RCA, there could  be different                                                               
implications.   Ms. Reardon said  the closer to  adjournment, the                                                               
more of  a problem it  may become because of  scheduling, anxiety                                                               
of applicants, and  concern as to whether the  profession will be                                                               
left unregulated.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1215                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOHRING moved  to report HCS CSSB  270, Version U,                                                               
as amended  out of committee with  individual recommendations and                                                               
the accompanying  fiscal notes.   There  being no  objection, HCS                                                               
CSSB  270(RLS)  was  reported  from   the  House  Rules  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee  was recessed  to the  call of  the chair  at 12:00                                                               
p.m.  [The committee didn't reconvene.]                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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