02/07/2024 01:00 PM House RESOURCES
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| HB272 | |
| HB281 | |
| Adjourn | 
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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| += | HB 272 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | HB 281 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | HB 223 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | TELECONFERENCED | 
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 7, 2024                                                                                        
                           1:27 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tom McKay, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative George Rauscher, Vice Chair                                                                                      
Representative Thomas Baker                                                                                                     
Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                     
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Stanley Wright                                                                                                   
Representative Jennie Armstrong                                                                                                 
Representative Donna Mears                                                                                                      
Representative Maxine Dibert                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 272                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to big game hunts for persons with physical                                                                    
disabilities; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 272 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 281                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to the permitting, lease, and sale of state                                                                    
land for remote recreational cabin sites; and providing for an                                                                  
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 223                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to the production tax and royalty rates on                                                                     
certain gas; and providing for an effective date."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING RESCHEDULED TO 02/09/24                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 272                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: BIG GAME HUNTING BY PERSON W/ DISABILITY                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/18/24       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/18/24       (H)       RES                                                                                                    
01/29/24       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
01/29/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
01/29/24       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
02/07/24       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 281                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: STATE LAND FOR REMOTE REC CABIN SITES                                                                              
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/22/24       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/22/24       (H)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
01/29/24       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
01/29/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
01/29/24       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
02/07/24       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JAMES SQUYRES, representing self                                                                                                
Deltana, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the hearing on HB 281.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL LONGACRE, Chief of Operations                                                                                            
Division of Mining, Land and Water                                                                                              
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the hearing on HB
281.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:27:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY  called  the   House  Resources  Standing  Committee                                                               
meeting to order at 1:27  p.m.  Representatives Rauscher, McCabe,                                                               
Baker, Wright, Saddler, Mears, Armstrong  and Dibert were present                                                               
at the call to order.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        HB 272-BIG GAME HUNTING BY PERSON W/ DISABILITY                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:28:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  272,  "An Act  relating to  big  game hunts  for                                                               
persons  with   physical  disabilities;  and  providing   for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:29:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY opened public testimony.   After ascertaining that no                                                               
one wished to testify, he closed public testimony.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:29:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER moved  to report HB 272  out of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.   There being no objection,  HB 272 was reported  from the                                                               
House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:30:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:30 p.m. to 1:34 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:33:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          HB 281-STATE LAND FOR REMOTE REC CABIN SITES                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:34:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 281, "An  Act relating to the  permitting, lease,                                                               
and sale of  state land for remote recreational  cabin sites; and                                                               
providing for an effective date" and opened public testimony.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY opened public testimony on HB 281.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:35:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES SQUYRES,  representing self,  testified during  the hearing                                                               
on HB 281.   He opined that the bill has a  number of "red flags"                                                               
and  requires further  discussion.   He said  the fiscal  note is                                                               
"way off,"  as it does  not include provisions for  the increased                                                               
efforts taken by the Division  of Forestry and Fire Protection in                                                               
fighting wildfires and  triaging limited resources.   He cited AS                                                               
41.15.010 and questioned  whether a new cabin  would increase the                                                               
fire  protection  level  from  limited  to  a  full  or  critical                                                               
protection rating.  He shared  an anecdotal example to illustrate                                                               
the  increased burden  that would  be placed  on the  state as  a                                                               
result of  this "gold rush."   He reiterated his belief  that the                                                               
potential  unintended consequences  of  the proposed  legislation                                                               
had not been thoroughly vetted by the committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:37:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY closed public testimony.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:38:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER moved  to adopt  Amendment 1  to HB  281,                                                               
labeled 33-GH2026\A.1, Bullard, 2/5/24, which read:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 6, through page 2, line 5:                                                                                    
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
          "PURPOSE. The longstanding policy of the state,                                                                       
     declared in art. VIII, secs.  1, 2, and 9, Constitution                                                                    
     of the State of Alaska,  and AS 38.05 (Alaska Land Act)                                                                    
     has  been to  encourage the  settlement of  the state's                                                                    
     land  and the  development of  its resources  by making                                                                    
     land available for the maximum  use consistent with the                                                                    
     public interest. The purpose of  this Act is to use the                                                                    
     full extent of the  authority under the Constitution of                                                                    
     the State of  Alaska to provide residents  of the state                                                                    
     a  more  efficient  and  fair   process  to  obtain  an                                                                    
     interest in remote state land for recreation."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:38:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:39:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 1:39 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:40:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  said Amendment 1 tightens  up the purpose                                                               
statement  of the  legislation  to its  essentials  and makes  it                                                               
easier to understand.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL LONGACRE,  Chief of Operations,  Division of  Mining, Land                                                               
and  Water,  Department  of Natural  Resources  (DNR),  said  DNR                                                               
supports Amendment 1.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  removed his  objection.  There  being no                                                               
further objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:41:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER moved  to adopt  Amendment 2  to HB  281,                                                               
labeled 33-GH2026\A.2, Bullard, 2/5/24, which read:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 7, line 30, following "applicants":                                                                                   
          Insert "for the applicants' own noncommercial                                                                         
     use"                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:41:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER said Amendment  2 clarifies that this bill                                                               
is for recreational use only, not for commercial purposes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY asked whether DNR had any objection to Amendment 2.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE answered no.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:42:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ARMSTRONG  asked whether  the bill  would preclude                                                               
Airbnb and short-term rentals.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER answered, yes,  if the individual is using                                                               
[the property]  to make money  it would be  considered commercial                                                               
use.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:43:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  removed his  objection.  There  being no                                                               
further objection, Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:43:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER moved  to adopt  Amendment 3  to HB  281,                                                               
labeled 33-GH2026\A.3, Bullard, 2/5/24, which read:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 9, line 31, following "Act":                                                                                          
          Insert ", but notwithstanding AS 38.05.600(f),                                                                        
     added by  sec. 6  of this  Act, may  not be  renewed to                                                                    
     provide a  lessee a remote recreational  cabin site for                                                                    
     more than  30 years in  total under AS 38.05.600  as it                                                                    
     read on the  day before the effective date  of this Act                                                                    
     and AS 38.05.600  as repealed  and reenacted by  sec. 6                                                                    
     of this Act"                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:43:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER said Amendment 3 clarifies that the total                                                                
lease period would be three years.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY asked whether DNR had any objection to Amendment 3.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE answered no.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER removed his objection.  There being no                                                                  
further objection, Amendment 3 was adopted.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:44:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 1:44 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:45:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY sought further comments from committee members.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:45:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  said he supports the  proposed legislation                                                               
because he wants  to get land into Alaskans hands.   He disagreed                                                               
with the notion that wildland  firefighting should be included in                                                               
the fiscal note.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER asked Ms. Longacre to respond to the                                                                    
testimony given by Mr. Squires.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE offered to follow up with a response by Friday.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:49:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced that HB 281 would be held over.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:50:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 1:50 p.m.                                                                 
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects | 
|---|---|---|
| HB 281 A.3.pdf | HRES       2/7/2024 1:00:00 PM | HB 281 | 
| HB 281 A.2.pdf | HRES       2/7/2024 1:00:00 PM | HB 281 | 
| HB 281 A.1.pdf | HRES       2/7/2024 1:00:00 PM | HB 281 | 
| HB272 ADFG Response to HRES 02.07.24.pdf | HRES       2/7/2024 1:00:00 PM | HB 272 | 
| HB 223 Public Testimony (Willis).pdf | HRES       2/7/2024 1:00:00 PM | HB 223 | 
| House Resources - HB 281 comments .pdf | HRES       2/7/2024 1:00:00 PM | HB 281 | 
| HB 281 Public Comment - Arno.pdf | HRES       2/7/2024 1:00:00 PM | HB 281 |