Legislature(1993 - 1994)
02/11/1994 08:15 AM House RES
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HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE
February 11, 1994
8:15 a.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Bill Williams, Chairman
Representative Bill Hudson, Vice Chairman
Representative Con Bunde
Representative David Finkelstein
Representative Joe Green
MEMBERS ABSENT
Representative Pat Carney
Representative John Davies
Representative Jeannette James
Representative Eldon Mulder
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT
Representative Gail Phillips
Senator Robin Taylor
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
SB 153: "An Act relating to the exchange of certain fish
for seafood products, custom processing of certain
fish, and use of certain fish for charitable
purposes."
MOVED CSSB 153(RES)am WITH TWO FISCAL NOTES FROM
COMMITTEE WITH INDIVIDUAL RECOMMENDATIONS
WITNESS REGISTER
SENATOR ROBIN TAYLOR
Alaska State Legislature
State Capitol, Room 30
Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182
Phone: 465-3873
POSITION STATEMENT: Prime sponsor SB 153
REPRESENTATIVE GAIL PHILLIPS
Alaska State Legislature
State Capitol, Room 216
Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182
Phone: 465-2689
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SB 153 and opposed K.3
amendment
LEE PUTNAM, Vice President
Ketchikan Sports & Wildlife Club
6005 Roosevelt Drive
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Phone: 225-7694
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported K.3 amendment
GARY PLUMB
441 Hillcrest Avenue
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Phone: 225-6409
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
MATT DONOHOE
P.O. Box 2993
Sitka, Alaska 99835
Phone: 747-6467
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported K.3 amendment
WAYNE CARPENTER
P.O. Box 954
Seward, Alaska 99664
Phone: 224-3796
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
THEODORE JOHNSON
347 Riverside Drive
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
Phone: 262-5456
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
PAUL GOEDERT
Deep Creek Charters
P.O. Box 39415
Ninilchik, Alaska 99639
Phone: 567-3665
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
SEAN MARTIN
Homer Charter Association
P.O. Box 889
Homer, Alaska 99603
Phone: 235-5130
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
DENNIS PEIRE
Valdez Charter Association
P.O. Box 55675
North Pole, Alaska 99714
Phone: 488-4589
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
BUZZ OTIS
P.O. Box 72441
Fairbanks, Alaska 99707
Phone: 452-5617
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
RICHARD ANDREW
P.O. Box 7211
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Phone: 225-2463
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported K.3 amendment
ROBERT HUGHES
3833 Denali
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Phone: 225-0274
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SB 153 and K.3 amendment
DAVID BRAY
2729 Tongass
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Phone: 225-3505
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported K.3 amendment
ERIC MUENCH
P.O. Box 6811
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Phone: 225-5372
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported K.3 amendment
DEAN PADDOCK
P.o. Box 21951
Juneau, Alaska 99802
Phone: 463-4970
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported K.3 amendment
RICHARD HOFMANN
5025 Thane Road
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Phone: 586-3451
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported K.3 amendment
ROBERT WARD
A-Ward Charters
P.O. Box 631
Anchor Point, Alaska 99556
Phone: 235-7014
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
JOE AMBROSE, Aide
Senator Robin Taylor
State Capitol, Room 30
Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182
Phone: 465-3873
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions
TOM HAGBORG, Member
South Peninsula Sportsmen
P.O. Box 175
Anchor Point, Alaska 99556
Phone: 235-8139
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
NANCY HILLSTRAND, Owner/Operator
Coal Point Trading
P.O. Box 674
Homer, Alaska 99603
Phone: 235-3877
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
RICK CONOVER, President
Anchor Point Chamber of Commerce
P.O. Box 610
Anchor Point, Alaska 99556
Phone: 235-5570
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
DARREL SHREVE
Valdez Charter Association
P.O. Box 2053
Valdez, Alaska 99686
Phone: 835-4734
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
DONALD WESTLUND
P.O. Box 7583
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Phone: 225-9319
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 153 and K.3 amendment
ED STAHL
651 Deerberry Court
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Phone: 247-2481
POSITION STATEMENT: Made comments
SCOTT ULMER
P.O. Box 1950
Homer, Alaska 99603
Phone: 235-8934
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 153 and K.3 amendment
NOEL PUTNAM
846 Brown Deer
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Phone: 225-0687
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported K.3 amendment
JOE SUYMBERSKY
P.O. Box 15322
Fritz Creek, Alaska 99603
Phone: 235-3465
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 153 & K.3 amendment
ED DERSHAM
Anchor Point Charter Association
P.O. Box 537
Anchor Point, Alaska 99556
Phone: 235-5555
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment and expressed
dissatisfaction with teleconference
ROGER WATNEY
P.O. Box 54
Anchor Point, Alaska 99556
Phone: 235-4063
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
KARAN DERSHAM
P.O. Box 555
Anchor Point, Alaska 99556
Phone: 235-5555
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
JACK MONTGOMERY, Owner/Operator
Rainbow Tours
P.O. box 1526
Homer, Alaska 99603
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed K.3 amendment
DAN MCQUEEN
Ketchikan Marine Charters, Inc.
322 Tide Avenue
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Phone: 225-2731
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed SB 153 and K.3 amendment
GERALD MASOLINI
P.O. Box 1131
Cordova, Alaska 99574
Phone: 424-7328
POSITION STATEMENT: Made comments
JOHN BURKE, Director
Division of Sport Fish
Alaska Department of Fish and Game
P.O. Box 25526
Juneau, Alaska 99802
Phone: 465-5280
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions
PREVIOUS ACTION
BILL: SB 153
SHORT TITLE: EXCHANGE OF RAW FISH FOR SEAFOOD PRODUCT
SPONSOR(S): SENATOR(S) TAYLOR
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
03/09/93 691 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)
03/09/93 691 (S) RESOURCES, FINANCE
03/24/93 (S) RES AT 03:30 PM BUTRVICH RM 205
03/24/93 (S) MINUTE(RES)
03/29/93 (S) RES AT 04:00 PM BUTRVICH RM 205
03/31/93 (S) MINUTE(RES)
04/02/93 1063 (S) RES RPT CS 1DP 3NR SAME TITLE
04/02/93 1063 (S) LETTER OF INTENT W/RES REPORT
04/02/93 1063 (S) FISCAL NOTE TO SB & CS (DEC)
04/02/93 1063 (S) ZERO FISCAL NOTE (F&G)
04/06/93 (S) FIN AT 08:00 AM SENATE FIN 518
04/10/93 (S) FIN AT 10:00 AM SENATE FIN 518
04/12/93 1305 (S) FIN RPT 3DP 1NR (RES)CS
04/12/93 1305 (S) PREVIOUS FN (DEC)
04/12/93 1305 (S) PREVIOUS ZERO FN (F&G)
04/12/93 (S) MINUTE(RLS)
04/27/93 1837 (S) RULES 3CAL 1NR 4/27/93
04/27/93 1839 (S) READ THE SECOND TIME
04/27/93 1840 (S) RES CS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT
04/27/93 1841 (S) ADVANCE TO THIRD READING FAILED
Y11 N9
04/27/93 1841 (S) THIRD READING 4/28 CALENDAR
04/28/93 1890 (S) READ THE THIRD TIME
CSSB 153(RES)
04/28/93 1890 (S) (S) ADOPTED RES LTR OF INTENT
04/28/93 1890 (S) HELD IN THIRD READING W/PENDING
AMS 4/29
04/29/93 1954 (S) HELD IN THIRD READING W/PENDING
AMS 4/30
04/30/93 1989 (S) HELD IN THIRD READING W/PENDING
AMS 5/1
05/01/93 2016 (S) HELD IN THIRD READING W/PENDING
AMS 5/2
05/02/93 2033 (S) MOVED TO BOTTOM OF CALENDAR
05/02/93 2039 (S) HELD IN THIRD READING W/PENDING
AMS 5/3
05/03/93 2049 (S) HELD IN THIRD READING W/PENDING
AMS 5/4
05/04/93 2060 (S) RETURN TO SECOND FOR AM 1-6
UNAN CONSENT
05/04/93 2061 (S) AM NO 1 FAILED Y10 N10
05/04/93 2061 (S) AM NO 2 NOT OFFERED
05/04/93 2062 (S) AM NO 3 FAILED Y9 N11
05/04/93 2062 (S) AM NO 4 MOVED AND WITHDRAWN
05/04/93 2063 (S) AM NO 4A ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT
05/04/93 2063 (S) AM NO 5 ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT
05/04/93 2064 (S) AM NO 6 FAILED Y9 N11
05/04/93 2064 (S) AUTOMATICALLY IN THIRD READING
05/04/93 2064 (S) PASSED Y17 N3 CSSB 153(RES) AM
05/04/93 2065 (S) DUNCAN NOTICE OF RECON
05/05/93 2079 (S) RECONSIDERATION NOT TAKEN UP
05/05/93 2079 (S) TRANSMITTED TO (H)
05/06/93 1660 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)
05/06/93 1661 (H) RESOURCES, FINANCE
01/28/94 (H) RES AT 08:15 AM CAPITOL 124
01/28/94 (H) MINUTE(RES)
02/11/94 (H) RES AT 08:15 AM CAPITOL 124
ACTION NARRATIVE
TAPE 94-12, SIDE A
Number 000
The House Resources Committee was called to order by
Chairman Bill Williams at 8:20 a.m. Members present at the
call to order were Representatives Williams, Hudson, Bunde,
Finkelstein, and Green. Members absent were Representatives
Carney, Davies, James and Mulder.
CHAIRMAN BILL WILLIAMS announced there was a quorum present.
He said the meeting is on teleconference with Ketchikan,
Homer, Kodiak, Mat-Su, Sitka, Kenai/Soldotna, Valdez,
Fairbanks, Seward and Cordova.
SB 153 EXCHANGE OF RAW FISH FOR SEAFOOD PRODUCT
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS informed members SB 153 would be heard.
He said the committee had its first hearing on the bill
about ten days ago and many people did not have the
opportunity to testify at that time. He hoped to move the
bill out of committee.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated at the first hearing, a proposed
amendment, draft number K.2 was considered. The subject of
the amendment was possession limits on sport caught fish and
it was intended to address a concern about whether the Board
of Fisheries needs more clearly defined authority to include
processed fish in possession limits, and to set possession
limits both in the field and in transport. He said the
amendment generated considerable discussion.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS announced a slightly revised version of
the amendment, draft amendment K.3 will be considered. The
difference between the two versions is that under the K.2
amendment, the provisions of SB 153 regarding the exchange
of raw fish would not have gone into effect "unless and
until" the Board of Fisheries took action to address the
inclusion of processed fish in possession limits.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS said under the K.3 amendment, there is no
need for the board to take up the subject of possession
limits in order for the exchange provisions to become
effective. The K.3 amendment would amend the section of
state statute which lists the things that the Board of
Fisheries may do, including that possession limits may
include processed fish, and that they may establish
possession limits both in the field, and in transit to the
fisherman's permanent place of residence. Therefore, if the
ability to exchange raw fish for processed fish does create,
or intensify a problem with the quantities of fish being
taken, and at some time in the future, public pressure to
address the problem through possession limits compels the
board to handle the subject, the board will have the
authority to do so.
Number 085
SENATOR ROBIN TAYLOR stated that SB 153 is primarily a jobs
enhancement bill, providing additional utilization of
processing facilities throughout the state. He said the
bill will not damage custom packers because often in the
past they have not followed rules and regulations and if
they did, the bill will help make their job simpler and
easier to do.
SENATOR TAYLOR remarked SB 153 will help get a count on the
volume of fish resources actually moving out of state
through processing facilities. To date, no one knows how
much fish is leaving the state. He told members about a
former legislator who had managed a resort several years
ago, who said the resort moved over one million pounds of
fish on Alaska Airlines.
SENATOR TAYLOR noted that people have been concerned about
the large volume of fish leaving the state, which is why
there is an amendment before the committee about the issue
of allocation between resource gatherers. He believed the
alternative suggested is a good one and he does support the
amendment. However, he felt it could be a volatile issue
and rather than lose SB 153 in the process, he hoped the
committee might consider those issues and decide if they
want to take on a fight on the floor over the allocation
question.
SENATOR TAYLOR stated SB 153 began first as a jobs bill and
second as a bill to get an estimate on the amount of fish
leaving the state and determine how severe the problem is.
He said once those two things are in hand, there will be a
better basis for the third step, which is the amendment
before the committee.
Number 125
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked Senator Taylor to explain the Letter
of Intent attached to SB 153.
SENATOR TAYLOR responded the Letter of Intent accomplishes
almost what the amendment does. He said the Letter of
Intent is a proposal suggesting that the issue of large
amounts of fish leaving the state be reviewed. However, the
problem the Board of Fisheries will have is they do not have
any numbers currently, only speculation.
Number 141
REPRESENTATIVE DAVID FINKELSTEIN noted at the last hearing
on SB 153, he tried to determine whether or not the Board of
Fisheries is allowed to enact regulations on possession
limits. He said the Letter of Intent implies that if the
legislature asks the board to consider regulations on
possession limits, they will do so if they think it is
appropriate. However, at the time of the last hearing on SB
153, his understanding was it was not clear whether the
board has the power to consider such regulations and the
amendment will not require them to do so, but only allow
them to do it. He believed the Letter of Intent will not
work, since it is not now allowed in present law.
SENATOR TAYLOR felt it is allowed and noted that at the last
Board of Fisheries meeting, the board changed the bag limit
for most of Southeast Alaska to two trout per day. He said
if the board has the authority to do that, just through the
possession limit alone, they could regulate the process.
REPRESENTATIVE FINKELSTEIN said the regulation is not viewed
as covering possession of processed fish and noted that
processed fish includes just frozen fish.
SENATOR TAYLOR felt the amendment is really a whole other
bill and is a very volatile issue. He pointed out that
Deborah Lyons would be seated on the Board of Fisheries were
it not for the current issue. He felt the amendment turns
the bill into a Deborah Lyons fight all over again. Senator
Taylor said the legislature, at some time, will need to
address the issue.
Number 188
REPRESENTATIVE CON BUNDE stated in Southcentral there is a
yearly king salmon limit of five. He said the board can
really enact an ultimate possession limit by enacting a
yearly limit. He expressed concerns that possession limits
are not addressing processed fish and if processing does not
include canning, he is even more concerned. He asked
Senator Taylor if it was his intent in the bill not to
include exchanging fish for canned.
SENATOR TAYLOR replied he did not think there were any
restrictions on the processing.
(CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS noted for the record that REPRESENTATIVES
JAMES AND MULDER joined the committee at 8:30 a.m.)
SENATOR TAYLOR said the bill does not affect the current
process used by fish charter operators.
Number 224
REPRESENTATIVE BILL HUDSON noted that the original intent of
SB 153 was to provide legally what is already being done
illegally throughout the state. He felt that setting limits
on the amount of raw and processed fish taken in sport
fishing is authorized under bag limits, harvest levels, etc.
The difference in the amendment is in the transit area -
moving poundage of fish out of the state. He thought the
transit requirement will be very difficult to administer.
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE commented they cannot predicate
legislation based on scofflaws as they will always find a
way around the law. He believed the amendment will set the
standard for law abiding people.
Number 274
REPRESENTATIVE GAIL PHILLIPS, expressed her support of the
ideas in SB 153, but felt there are problems posed by the
inclusion of the proposed K.3 amendment. She felt the issue
had been generated from controversy over king salmon
problems existing primarily in Southeast Alaska. Possession
limits on processed sport caught fish has previously been
proposed to the Board of Fisheries. The issue was
considered by the board and they declined to take action.
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS said while there is a minor amount
of abuse in her Kenai Peninsula district, there is a sense
of compliance with the reasonable harvest and use of the
area's seafood resources. The overall health of the fishery
stocks there is good and there are season possession limits
on king salmon which are subject to license marking
requirements. She pointed out that any questions on the
enforceability of current regulations beg the question on
how the state would even begin to address the enforcement of
additional regulations on processed fish.
REPRESENTATIVE PHILLIPS stressed that the situation in
Southeast Alaska may well warrant attention. However,
inclusion of the remainder of the state under the blanket of
the amendment is unwarranted. She felt a public information
campaign, elevating the importance of conservation and
reasonable use, and more revenue resources in enforcement of
existing regulations is needed to handle the abuse
situation. She urged committee members not to adopt the K.3
amendment.
Number 316
LEE PUTNAM, VICE PRESIDENT, KETCHIKAN SPORTS AND WILDLIFE
CLUB, testified via teleconference, and commented there is a
need to restrict the number of fish taken out of state by
nonresidents, especially when it causes residents the loss
of opportunity to harvest the resource. He said it is
distressing to see a small, but organized vocal group of
commercial resource exploiters forcing their way on the
majority of the residents of Alaska. He felt the K.3
amendment will begin to address the problem of the rapidly
expanding guided sport fishing industry and its negative
impact on the local and personal use sport fishery which has
had little or no growth in the past years.
MR. PUTNAM pointed out there are a number of small
nonresident harvest and processing operations operating in
several areas of the state, canning or freezing a large
number of fish. The Alaska Department of Fish and Game
(ADF&G) usually ignores this (indiscernible) from Alaska's
food resources. ADF&G says the limit is unenforceable
(indiscernible)...
Number 356
GARY PLUMB, CHARTER OPERATOR, KETCHIKAN, testified via
teleconference, and expressed his opposition to the proposed
K.3 amendment. He felt there is merit in the intent, but
thought it will result in restricting the honest, law
abiding citizen while the abusers continue to do what they
have always done.
Number 385
MATT DONOHOE, SITKA, testified via teleconference, and
expressed his support of the K.3 amendment.
WAYNE CARPENTER, SEWARD CHARTER BOAT ASSOCIATION, testified
via teleconference, and expressed his opposition to the
proposed K.3 amendment. He believed issues such as what is
proposed in the amendment should be addressed on a regional
basis. He said he has been working with the North Pacific
Fishery Management Council on potential regulation of the
guided halibut charter sport fishing industry and they are
finding that regulations are not needed in every area of the
state.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS noted the amendment will not make the
regulations statewide. In the amendment, the Board of
Fisheries has the option to establish limits wherever
needed.
Number 427
THEODORE JOHNSON, SOLDOTNA, testified via teleconference,
and expressed his opposition to the K.3 amendment. He felt
the amendment is another knee jerk reaction from the
commercial fishing interests to an assumed problem of sport
fishermen taking "their" fish. He stressed the importance
of enforcing present laws. Mr. Johnson asked if fish will
be regulated by poundage or numbers in the amendment. He
also wondered how Canada enforces their export limit. He
said seeing boxes of fish in the airport makes him happy as
it means there are many sport fishermen in the state
catching and shipping fish to their homes, which is great
advertising for the state.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS replied at the last hearing on SB 153,
there was a person from the Department of Public Safety
supporting the amendment. On the question of controls, he
felt most people are law abiding. He said Canada has very
tight exports on fish leaving the country.
MR. JOHNSON asked if the state currently has an export
limit.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS replied it is against the law to control
export limits within the United States. He said possession
limits for salmon in British Columbia tide waters are two
single-day limits of fresh, smoked or frozen plus ten
kilograms canned OR one day limit of fresh, smoked or
frozen, plus 20 kilograms canned OR 40 kilograms canned. He
also noted that salmon and game fish taken from nontidal
waters may be canned only at a person's ordinary residence.
Number 524
PAUL GOEDERT, DEEP CREEK CHARTER BOAT ASSOCIATION,
NINILCHIK, testified via teleconference, and said most
people in Alaska have time to wait on their own fish. Only
those people on a tight schedule will be affected by SB 153.
He felt a lot of time is being wasted on an unimportant
bill. He said the reason he came to speak on SB 153 is the
K.3 amendment. Mr. Goedert asked Chairman Williams,
referring to the discussion on the large number of boxes of
fish in the airport, if he would be so concerned if the
boxes were filled with clothes made in Alaska, or coal, etc.
MR. GOEDERT stressed that tourism is a major industry in
Alaska and sport fishing is a large part of that industry.
Tourists taking fish home in boxes shows that the sport
fishing guides are doing their jobs. Each fish caught by a
tourist represents approximately ten times as much cash as a
commercially caught fish, plus the money is spread out more.
He wondered how the K.3 amendment will be enforced. For
example, if a tourist is taking home four cases of canned
halibut, how many 50 pound fish is that? In regard to
people coming to the state and taking home enough fish to
pay for their trip, he pointed out that if a person has 50
pounds of filet and at Carr's the same filets cost $5 a
pound, that person has $250 worth of fish.
MR. GOEDERT recalled at the last hearing on SB 153,
Representative Bunde talked about the coolers of fish he
loaded and flew out as a bush pilot. He asked
Representative Bunde how much ice was in the cooler, how
many people were involved and how long had they been
fishing. He felt the K.3 amendment was wasting a lot of
people's time and arguments about curtailing fish exports is
part of an agenda by the commercial fishing industry to
hamper and limit the growth of the state's most important
industry.
Number 586
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS responded the amendment was not brought to
him by the commercial fishing industry. He said he
recognizes the great benefits and potential of the charter
industry in Alaska and is convinced that the amendment can
be helpful in promoting an orderly and sensible development
of the industry while also protecting the resident sport
fishermen. He felt in the long run it will be good for
everyone.
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE assured Mr. Goedert that he can tell
the difference between ice and king filets.
Number 601
SEAN MARTIN, HOMER CHARTER ASSOCIATION, testified via
teleconference, and said he would like to comment on the K.3
amendment. He felt the amendment came about as a result of
complaints about large quantities of fish boxes in airports
headed for outside the state and about people spending their
summers in campgrounds canning fish and leaving the state
with large quantities of sport caught fish. He stated that
over the years, the people he has witnessed are not taking
more than their daily bag limits or season limits. They may
be taking more fish out of the state than a resident would
probably use, but who is to say they will not use the fish
as gifts. He pointed out that millions of dollars are being
left in the state by nonresidents.
MR. MARTIN stressed it costs a lot of money to get to Homer,
go with a guide, get lodging, eat meals, etc., and if a
person is able to pay for the trip by selling the fish they
catch, they will have to sell the fish at $25 per pound in
order to cover their expenses. He reminded members it is
against the law to sell sport caught fish and if they know
it is being done, they should support the law and turn the
offenders in.
MR. MARTIN recalled at the last hearing, a legislator
mentioned that a group of Germans were leaving the state
with so many fish boxes they had to be selling the fish back
home. He felt statements like that should not be made by
anyone without facts. Those people could have purchased the
fish. He wondered if the K.3 amendment passes, what will
happen at airports and the borders when an inspector tries
to determine how much fish was legally caught and how much
was bought. If there is a restriction on the amount of
sport fish taken out of the state, he asked if there is also
going to be a restriction on the amount a person can buy to
take out of the state.
MR. MARTIN stated the amount of fish leaving the state is
only a reflection of the number of anglers coming into the
state, and stressed there will be vast quantities of fish
leaving as how else will the fish get out. He felt it is a
perception problem not a fishery problem. If taking too
many fish are depleting a fishery then it needs to be
managed biologically using the means currently in place.
The International Pacific Halibut Commission, the North
Pacific Fishery Management Council, ADF&G and the National
Marine Fishery Service are charged with proper management of
the fisheries resource and they should close the fishery,
shorten the seasons, reduce bag limits or reallocate the
fish to a cleaner fishery.
MR. MARTIN said at the present time, it is allowable for
Oregon and Washington commercial longline boats to remove
from Alaskan waters as much halibut as their holds or trips
limits will allow and take the fish outside the state and
sell it. He wondered why a sport angler should only be
allowed to take out of state what is determined to be the
proper amount. He commented if there is a concern about the
health of the resource, then attention should be given to
the by-catch, wastage and over fishing done by commercial
fishermen. He felt their fisheries should be cleaned up
first and if there still is a biological reason to restrict
sport anglers, it should be done using the tools already in
place.
MR. MARTIN stated the Homer Charter Association is opposed
to the K.3 amendment and feels it is politically motivated
by commercial fishing interests, who believe that any
restrictions placed on sport fishermen means more fish for
them. He felt in the long term, it may be that per pound a
sport caught fish is far more valuable than a commercially
caught one.
Number 709
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS commented that the difference between
processed sport caught fish and commercial processed fish,
is the commercial processed fish is labeled.
DENNIS PEIRE, VALDEZ CHARTER ASSOCIATION, testified via
teleconference, and said last year he did not get any salmon
because of the interception by a commercial fleet. He
wondered how people from Fairbanks are going to get their
fish back home from Southeast Alaska without being labeled
as going out of state. He stated the association feels it
is an allocation issue and the resources should be equally
divided between all three groups - sport, commercial, and
subsistence. Mr. Peire also thought that personal use fish
should be classified as subsistence.
TAPE 94-12, SIDE B
Number 000
BUZZ OTIS, FAIRBANKS, testified via teleconference, and
stated the K.3 amendment is discriminatory to Interior
Alaska fishermen. He said they do not have the luxury of
fishing on a weekly basis, but rather take short trips south
to fish. He noted that if he catches fish, takes them back,
cleans them and puts them in the freezer and the third day
he goes out, and brings fish back to Fairbanks, he is a
criminal according to the amendment. He expressed his
opposition to the K.3 amendment and encouraged the committee
not to discriminate against fellow Alaskans.
Number 025
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE said, as he reads the amendment, he
cannot find language which sets a specific possession limit
at this point. It says the Board of Fisheries may set a
limit.
MR. OTIS responded it gives the board the vehicle to do so.
Once the board has the authority, the legislature and the
sport fishermen have no control over it. Many times the
board makes rules according to perceived abuse and that
concerns him.
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE commented that currently there are
different king salmon limits in Southcentral and Southeast.
He said he encourages the department to write rules which
are specific to geographic regions.
Number 046
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON remarked the K.3 amendment permits the
board to not only set limits on the amount of raw and
processed fish taken, but also possession in the field and
in transit to a fisherman's permanent place of residence.
He expressed concern that a person coming to Juneau from
Fairbanks, who catches fish, whatever limit is set for
nonresidents, will have to apply to residents also.
RICHARD ANDREW, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference, and
expressed his support of the K.3 amendment. He said why
wait until the resource has problems before something is
done.
Number 068
ROBERT HUGHES, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference, and
commented that everyone refuses to acknowledge the fact that
the visitor industry has gone out of control. The resource
needs protection and the commercial, sport and subsistence
fisheries should not be penalized when another group is out
of control. He said the amendment is the first thing to
come along which may address the problem. He expressed his
full support of SB 153 and the K.3 amendment.
DAVID BRAY, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference, and
expressed his support of the K.3 amendment. It will give a
good record of fish going out of the state.
Number 100
ERIC MUENCH, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference, and
said he supports the K.3 amendment. He felt the amendment
will help address ongoing abuse and stressed the problem is
the nonresident guided sport fishery, which is a part of the
general expansion of the tourism industry, a highly
consumptive industry. He emphasized he does not have any
problem with the guiding of nonresident sport fishermen, but
there has to be a realization that there is a limited
resource and it cannot be bonded to tourists.
MR. MUENCH remarked the number of tourists coming to the
state to fish, even on a one-time basis, can easily
overwhelm the local and state population and crowd out local
fishermen, impacting the catch limit in the future.
Tourists are in direct competition with resident sport
fishermen. He felt another problem is the loophole saying a
frozen fish is a processed fish as the big charter boats
carry large freezer components which the small, local
fishermen cannot do. That loophole needs to be plugged.
Number 132
DEAN PADDOCK, JUNEAU, stated he felt the issue at hand is a
conservation problem and thought many of the expressions he
had been hearing are not applicable to where the problem
originates. He expressed support of the K.3 amendment and
felt it is a tool that the Board of Fisheries needs to use
where called for, and a tool they do not have to use it if
it is not called for. He stressed it is a complex problem
and varies from area to area in the state and species by
species. He felt the board really needs help from the
legislature.
MR. PADDOCK felt the issue is a natural outgrowth of the
increasing demand by an increasing number of people. He
talked about situations 35 years ago relating to large
numbers of fish boxes in airports. He felt the concern
expressed by many people is a valid concern and again
expressed support for the K.3 amendment.
Number 209
RICHARD HOFMANN, JUNEAU, told members he is a commercial
fisherman and sport fisherman. He said there has been talk
about enforcing the K.3 amendment and explained enforcement
of the ADF&G rules in the guided industry are the
responsibility of the guide. He stressed there is a benefit
to the K.3 amendment and limiting the number of fish an
individual can harvest, in that it will spread the catch
over a larger number of clients, providing for growth in the
charter industry since more people will be serviced.
MR. HOFMANN noted there has been comments the commercial
fleet is out to get more fish and said he is only asking
that the status quo be maintained so that everyone has the
opportunity to continue their livelihoods. He pointed out
that trollers were told to go to the Board of Fisheries
meeting with a plan on how to regulate the fisheries on a
long term, based on an allocation which was established.
Upon arriving at the meeting, the allocation had been
changed. He said without control over the number of sport
fish harvested, there will be a demand to change the
allocation.
MR. HOFMANN said there has been talk about commercial
fishermen needing to clean up their fishery. Through
management regulations, individual conservation concerns and
a desire to continue to fish for many years, the fishery has
been cleaned up. He agreed that the people in the Interior
might be negatively impacted by the amendment, but felt
where a person lives is a personal choice. He said he has
limited his opportunity to harvest moose, caribou, etc., by
living in Southeast Alaska.
MR. HOFMANN remarked that if a special consideration is made
to ensure that Interior residents have access to resources
in Southeast, then a special harvest opportunity should be
established for those who live in Southeast who want to
utilize food resources which come out of the Interior. He
urged committee members to adopt the K.3 amendment and felt
the concept behind the original bill to get more value-added
processing in the state is a good idea but will also create
problems for the resource if it is done without the
amendment.
Number 275
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked Mr. HofMann if he thought
residents can be treated differently than nonresidents in
regard to quotas, daily bag limits, number of fish shipped
out, etc.
MR. HOFMANN responded no, as it is unconstitutional.
Number 290
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON expressed his concern regarding how
the provisions of the amendment can be accomplished without
penalizing a fisherman coming from the Interior. He
wondered if perhaps it would be possible to have some sort
of certification of the number of days fished, the areas
fished, the total number of fish by species taken, the
number of fish shipped if processed within the state, the
license number of the processor and the fish exchange. That
kind of certification could help give the statistical
information needed. If a nonresident is given a license and
a certification form, the meat hunters will be alerted they
will be watched.
Number 320
MR. HOFMANN responded there will be an accounting developed
through the raw fish exchange and through the guided
industry keeping track.
ROBERT WARD, A-WARD CHARTERS, ANCHOR POINT, testifying via
teleconference, felt the problem is not a biological, but
rather an allocation problem. He expressed his unhappiness
about the meeting process, who had been allowed to testify
and felt the teleconference was biased toward Southeast
Alaska. He pointed out that an Attorney General's decision
was passed out a couple of years ago to a fish processor
because when fish is weighed it comes in as raw fish and
then it changes weight, size and shape, providing no
accountability between it being checked in and checked out
of that processor.
MR. WARD expressed opposition to the K.3 amendment and did
not feel SB 153 is a jobs enhancement idea, as there will
not be a greater demand. He also expressed concerns about
the quality of the product when fish are brought in. He
felt the entire issue is a presumed problem and that the
sport fish industry is under control.
Number 392
JOE AMBROSE, AIDE, SENATOR ROBIN TAYLOR, told Mr. Ward that
the quality issue was addressed in SB 153 as DEC will have
oversight over the processors as they do now, and every
consideration will be given to the quality of the product;
both the product received by the processor and the product
provided by the processor to the consumer. In regard to
sport fishing entering the commercial market at the end of
the cycle, the bill provides that after the first round of
exchange, the processor must use sport caught for sport
caught at the end of the cycle and anything left over has to
be donated to charity. It cannot be sold.
Number 413
TOM HAGBORG, MEMBER, SOUTH PENINSULA SPORTSMENS ASSOCIATION,
ANCHOR POINT, testifying via teleconference, expressed
opposition to the K.3 amendment. He agreed there are
millions of pounds of fish going out of the state in boxes
every year and it is called commercial fishing. He stressed
sport fishermen catch less than five percent of the total
catch. Limits have been set to sustain biological fish
catches which protect fish stocks. He reminded committee
members that nonresident fishing licenses support the fish
hatcheries in the state and a large amount of money is
received from the licenses.
MR. HAGBORG felt it would be difficult for nonresidents to
pay for their fishing trips to Alaska with fish caught as
the price being paid for fish is very low. He said the
association opposes the K.3 amendment and has questions
regarding SB 153. He urged members to allow the Board of
Fisheries to set biological limits to protect fish stocks.
NANCY HILLSTRAND, OWNER/OPERATOR, COAL POINT TRADING
COMPANY, HOMER, testified via teleconference, and said her
company is a custom processor for sport and commercially
caught fish. She expressed opposition to the K.3 amendment
and felt the perceived problem can be more efficiently and
effectively addressed by the Board of Fisheries. However,
she thought it was a moot point, as the amendment cannot be
enforced. She also wondered why it was being considered
when there is a by-catch of 50 percent of trollers catch,
hundreds of millions of pounds, being thrown overboard.
Billions of pounds of fish are being shipped overseas as an
export.
MS. HILLSTRAND stated in regard to SB 153 and exchanging
fish, in her company, they refuse to exchange any fish
because of the quality of the fish coming into their
company. She did not believe leftover fish will be given to
charities, but rather it will get sold. She pointed out
that her company puts forth a lot of effort to ensure a
quality product and they do not want sport caught fish on
the market.
RICK CONOVER, PRESIDENT, ANCHOR POINT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,
testifying via teleconference, advised that the Board of
Directors unanimously voted to oppose the K.3 amendment.
Tourism is the key industry in Anchor Point and the chamber
feels the amendment will adversely affect their only
industry. He said there is still plenty of room in Anchor
Point for growth in the tourism industry. The main
attraction for tourism is sport fishing in the Anchor River
and the lower Cook Inlet. Putting any limits on how much
fish can be taken home will have an immediate, negative
impact on Anchor Point's business community. He stated it
is a fact that the sport fish harvested and exported is not
affecting the resource.
Number 525
MR. CONOVER stated the chamber feels saddened that both
sport and commercial fishermen are using the legislature to
try and allocate this renewable resource. He felt the
legislature should not be involved in any resource
allocations. The people in Anchor Point feel if the K.3
amendment passes, it is the beginning of the end of their
tourism resource and the current legislature will always be
remembered as the legislature that wiped out tourist
fishermen and associated businesses. He said it must be
remembered that the state's resources are not only for
Alaskan residents, but for all U.S. residents. Any bills
dealing with allocation of resources by the legislature,
such as the amendment before the committee, should be
killed. There is no biological data to support the
amendment.
Number 545
DARREL SHREVE, VALDEZ CHARTER ASSOCIATION, testified via
teleconference, and said the issue at hand is a regional
one. He felt decisions should only be made after there is a
handle on the problem. He expressed opposition to the K.3
amendment.
DONALD WESTLUND, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference,
and pointed out that the comment made earlier regarding
sport fishermen catch being five percent is wrong; sport
fishermen catch less than two percent and includes
subsistence, sport and personal use. Eighty percent of
salmon caught in Alaska is caught by commercial fishermen.
He expressed his opposition to SB 153 and the K.3 amendment,
and felt the amendment is unconstitutional because there can
be no differentiation between residents and nonresidents.
Since the sport, subsistence and personal use fishery only
catch two percent, a higher percentage of fish should be
given to those fisheries instead of the commercial
fisheries.
MR. WESTLUND wondered if the boxes at the airport belong to
commercial fishermen going home, taking commercially caught
fish which is unreported, unaccounted, etc. He felt the
legislature should not be involved in allocation issues.
Number 622
ED STAHL, CHARTER BOAT OPERATOR, HAND TROLLER AND SPORT
FISHERMEN, testified via teleconference, and stated there is
a problem with people setting up small-time canning
operations and the bill should address them.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS said there are committee members who need
to leave the meeting. He suggested the committee talk about
the bill as his intention is to move it out of committee.
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE noted that although he is neutral on SB
153 and the K.3 amendment, he had not been lobbied by a
single commercial fisherman on the bill. The only testimony
he had heard from commercial fishermen had been in the
committee room. He said he did not see a great juggernaut
of commercial fishing pressure pushing the bill.
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE stated he is concerned about equal
access to the state's fishing resource. Contrary to the
comment made earlier about the resource belonging to the
United States, he believes the fish resource belongs to the
people of Alaska, just like the oil resource. A person who
has chosen to sell fish as a charter boat skipper, does not
have any more right to the fish just because they are
involved in a commercial enterprise, just as commercial
fishermen do not have any more right. He felt if all the
people lobbying legislators on the Kenai River reds have to
choose between nonresidents taking fish out of the state,
sold to them by charter boat skippers, and the personal
right to catch "their" fish, the charter boat skippers are
going to get left behind.
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE believed the charter boat operators
might be doing themselves a disservice by so adamantly
opposing a possession limit on processed fish. If a person
has to choose between catching a few reds once or twice a
year and somebody coming to the state, camping for the
summer, loading up their motor home with fish or the person
who is on vacation who can spend the time and money to go
out with a charter skipper compared to the guy just fishing
out of his skiff, the charter people are going to lose. He
said they should be proactive and prevent the perception
from occurring. He would like to see an accounting on the
amount of fish being exchanged and either moved around the
state or out of state. It may be an insignificant amount
which will be a comfort to the charter people. On the other
hand, it might be a significant amount and choices will need
to be made.
TAPE 94-13, SIDE A
Number 000
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS said he did not want to hold up SB 153 if
it has to be fought all the way through because of the
amendment. He felt the Letter Of Intent will begin working
on the limit issue.
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated the K.3 amendment, by making it
subject to the discretion of the Board of Fisheries to adopt
regulations concerning limits, amounts, field possession,
and transit amounts is essentially the same thing as the
Letter of Intent. It leaves it up to the board in both
instances and because of what has been heard across the
state, particularly in regard to regional differences, he
felt the original bill with the Letter of Intent is the
right way to go. He recommended the committee consider
that.
Number 020
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS suggested the committee listen to more
testimony on teleconference.
Number 022
SCOTT ULMER, HOMER, testified via teleconference, and
expressed his opposition to SB 153 and the K.3 amendment.
He felt the bill will provide a situation which reduces the
quality of the product in the state as there will be no
control over the quality of fish coming in and therefore,
there will be no control over the quality of the fish going
out. Most anglers coming into the state are quite concerned
about the quality of their fish and want to make sure it is
cared for properly, and therefore will not consider
exchanging their fish for a lower quality fish. He stated
quality will be very difficult to enforce as a DEC agent
will have to be present at each and every processor in the
state.
MR. ULMER felt the K.3 amendment is an allocation issue and
the prime agenda of the bill is not jobs enhancement, but
rather trying to get a handle on the volume of the product
moving out of the state in the sport industry. He pointed
out that the percentage of sport caught fish is an
insignificant percentage of the resource in the state.
Number 055
NOEL PUTNAM, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference, and
expressed his support of the K.3 amendment.
JOE SUYMBERSKY, FRITZ CREEK, testified via teleconference,
and expressed his opposition to SB 153 and the K.3
amendment. He believed there are no biological reasons for
the bill and does not think it is enforceable. He felt the
fish belong to everyone, as they are a public resource and
the public is everyone in the United States.
ED DERSHAM, ANCHOR POINT, testified via teleconference, and
told committee members he had sent his written comments to
the committee. He said he was extremely disappointed in the
way the meeting and the previous meeting had been run and
who had been allowed to testify. He felt the people in
Homer had not been treated fairly in the amount of time they
had received to testify.
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER disagreed with Mr. Dersham and said
the Chairman has been fair in running the meeting.
Number 100
ROGER WATNEY, ANCHOR POINT, testified via teleconference,
and expressed his reservations about SB 153 and opposition
to the K.3 amendment. He stated SB 153 has merit, but felt
the exchange of fish will be very difficult to regulate.
The people he takes out fishing enjoy taking home a fish
they personally caught, which was carefully bled, cleaned
and chilled. He felt the state's diminishing money should
be used more wisely, not on unnecessary regulations. He
remarked the K.3 amendment is a back door way to use the
Board of Fisheries to allocate more fish away from the sport
fisherman.
KARAN DERSHAM, ANCHOR POINT, testified via teleconference,
and said she would pass, as everything she wanted to say has
been said.
Number 117
JACK MONTGOMERY, OWNER/OPERATOR, RAINBOW TOURS, HOMER,
testified via teleconference, and asked to read a letter
from Gregory McIntosh, McIntosh Marinas, Halibut Cove. "I
continue to support SB 153 for reasons previously stated;
namely the bill will assist in protecting public health
(indiscernible) caught fish will not be bartered or sold or
otherwise enter into (indiscernible). It will provide a
mechanism for distributing uncollected and otherwise
abandoned recreational caught fish and seafood products.
"I oppose the K.3 amendment. The amendment seeks to
establish a framework whereby additional restrictions on
possession of recreational caught fish may be inaccurate at
some future date. Constraining export of legally caught
fish by means of state (indiscernible) laws may not be
consistent with the Magnuson Act and therefore is
unenforceable. The amendment is also impractical. What is
to prevent a fisherman from shipping a load of fish product
out of state once the new possession limit is reached.
Within 24 hours the product will have reached its
destination home and the fisherman can start all over again,
thus circumventing the intent of the proposed amendment.
Existing recreational bag and possession limits are doing a
good job protecting the resource while at the same time
allowing (indiscernible) access and opportunity to it.
"Restrictions will have a dramatic effect upon outside
Anchorage participation in Alaska's fisheries. Any
reduction of angler activity will negatively impact Alaska's
economy. Recreational fishing contributed over $580 million
in the Alaska economy in 1991. ...(indiscernible) dollar
values attributed to commercial fishing, recreational
fishing dollars stayed in Alaska. If Representative
Williams is concerned about commercial traffic of fish and
fish products outside of Alaska which would violate existing
Alaska statute, he need only to look at the (indiscernible)
Act for comfort. I highly suggest they look into that.
Clearly, the amendment is proposed for reasons other than
responsible conservation management and protection of the
Alaska fisheries resource. The proposed amendment is
insupportable. Summarized, the K-3 amendment is
unnecessary, unenforceable and economically damaging to the
state of Alaska." Mr. Montgomery also expressed his
opposition to SB 153 and the K.3 amendment.
DAN MCQUEEN, KETCHIKAN MARINE CHARTERS, INC., testified via
teleconference, and expressed opposition to SB 153 and the
K.3 amendment. He stated the bill is a back door attempt to
place export limits on nonresident and out of area resident
sport fishermen. The cover letter mentions that the K.3
amendment will alleviate the many boxes of fish at airports.
He disagreed because in December, when no sport fishing is
occurring, he saw six full pallets of fish boxes leaving
Sitka alone.
MR. MCQUEEN said recently Mary McDowell called and told him
that Ketchikan Marine Charters, in its position paper,
supported an export limit. He clarified that what the
position paper says is, they would like to see a task force
of industry representatives formed to work on the issue.
Ketchikan Marine Charters believes the original bill will
benefit the state, but they oppose the bill if it includes
the K.3 amendment.
MR. MCQUEEN asked why Alaska resident sport fishermen should
be restricted any further than they already are. Many
Alaskans do not have any other means of catching their
winter supply of fish, so those Alaskans choose to spend 7-
10 days fishing on a charter boat or rent a skiff for that
time period. He felt if the state truly wants to swap the
people who do abuse the current regulations, the state
should only offer two week nonresident fishing licenses.
That way a person would not be able to come to the state and
fish every day all summer long. This bill will hurt many
honest resident and nonresident sport fishermen but most
important, it will cost more than it is worth to enforce.
GERALD MASOLINI, CORDOVA, testified via teleconference, and
said it appears there is a regional problem at hand. He
felt there was also an enforcement problem.
Number 222
REPRESENTATIVE FINKELSTEIN asked whether ADF&G views the
existing law as allowing possession limits on processed
products. Does the Letter of Intent ask the department to
do something they do not have the power to do.
JOHN BURKE, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF SPORT FISH, ALASKA
DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME, replied once fish is processed,
it is beyond possession limits.
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON made a motion to MOVE CSSB 153(RES)am
with the Senate Letter of Intent and two fiscal notes out
with INDIVIDUAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER OBJECTED for purpose of discussion.
He clarified the committee is not adopting the K.3
amendment, but is only moving CSSB 153(RES)am out of
committee. He WITHDREW his OBJECTION.
REPRESENTATIVE FINKELSTEIN noted for the record that the
representatives from ADF&G have told the committee the
Senate Letter of Intent is ineffective and is based on
presumption.
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON said the Letter of Intent is
legislative intent language to the Board of Fisheries who he
believes has the authority.
REPRESENTATIVE FINKELSTEIN stated the problem is he has been
trying to get an answer during both meetings on this bill
and he felt funny passing a Letter of Intent which asks the
Board of Fisheries to do something they do not have the
power to do. He added, in making the decision not to adopt
the K.3 amendment, the committee has decided not to give the
board that power.
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON said he stands corrected, as staff
told him the board does not have the power and therefore,
the Letter of Intent will have no effect.
REPRESENTATIVE FINKELSTEIN suggested the committee just pass
the bill since there is uncertainty on the Letter of Intent
or handle the Letter of Intent separately from the bill.
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON WITHDREW his MOTION.
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON made a motion to MOVE CSSB 153(RES)am
with two fiscal notes from committee with INDIVIDUAL
RECOMMENDATIONS.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked if there were any objections to the
motion.
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE said he did not object, but commented
it would have been more productive if the K.3 amendment had
also been passed.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS hearing no objections, said the MOTION
PASSED.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS announced the committee will meet Monday,
February 14 to take up SJR 40 and HB 306.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the House
Resources Committee, Chairman Williams adjourned the meeting
at 10:15 a.m.
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