Legislature(2019 - 2020)CAPITOL 106

04/15/2019 06:30 PM RESOURCES

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06:34:13 PM Consideration of Governor's Appointee's: Board of Fisheries
10:28:46 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 15, 2019                                                                                         
                           6:33 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Louise Stutes, Chair                                                                                            
 Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                    
 Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                      
 Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                         
 Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                      
 Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative John Lincoln, Co-Chair                                                                                          
 Representative Geran Tarr, Co-Chair                                                                                            
 Representative Grier Hopkins, Vice Chair                                                                                       
 Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                     
 Representative Ivy Spohnholz                                                                                                   
 Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                      
 Representative Dave Talerico                                                                                                   
 Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                 
 Representative Sara Rasmussen                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
 Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                       
 Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONSIDERATION OF GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEE'S: BOARD OF FISHERIES                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Israel Payton - Wasilla                                                                                                    
     Gerad Godfrey  Eagle River                                                                                                 
     Marit Carlson-Van Dort - Anchorage                                                                                         
     Karl Johnstone  Anchorage                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ISRAEL PAYTON, Appointee                                                                                                        
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the Board of                                                                   
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
GERAD GODFREY, Appointee                                                                                                        
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the Board of                                                                   
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MARIT CARLSON-VAN DORT, Appointee                                                                                               
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the Board of                                                                   
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KARL JOHNSTONE, Appointee                                                                                                       
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the Board of                                                                   
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RON SOMERVILLE, Secretary/Treasurer                                                                                             
Territorial Sportsmen                                                                                                           
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BEN MOHR, Executive Director                                                                                                    
Kenai River Sportfishing Association (KRSA)                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REUBEN HANKE                                                                                                                    
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
FORREST BRADEN                                                                                                                  
Southeast Alaska Guides Organization (SEAGO)                                                                                    
Gustavus, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM L. MACKAY                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
FRANCES LEACH, Executive Director                                                                                               
United Fishermen of Alaska (UFA)                                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone  and in support of the  confirmations of Israel                                                               
Payton, Gerad Godfrey, and Marit  Carlson-Van Dort, appointees to                                                               
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
LARS STANGELAND                                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MARK VINSEL                                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
KATHY HANSEN, Executive Director                                                                                                
Southeast Alaska Fishermen's Alliance (SEAFA)                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY BUSHKE                                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK DERRICK, President                                                                                                        
Chitina Dipnetters Association                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHIP TREINEN                                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MARVIN PETERS                                                                                                                   
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone  and in support of the  confirmations of Israel                                                               
Payton, Gerad Godfrey, and Marit  Carlson-Van Dort, appointees to                                                               
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ROSELEEN MOORE                                                                                                                  
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
FRED STAGER                                                                                                                     
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SALUA STAGER                                                                                                                    
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JULIE DOLL                                                                                                                      
Salcha, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR                                                                                                                
Fairbanks Fish and Game Advisory Committee                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
NORMAN VAN VACTOR                                                                                                               
Dillingham, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Israel  Payton and  in opposition  to the  confirmations of  Mari                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort and  Karl Johnstone, appointees to  the Board of                                                               
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DANIELLE RINGER                                                                                                                 
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl  Johnstone and in  support of the confirmation  of Israel                                                               
Payton, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG DEHART                                                                                                                    
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
OLIVER HOLM                                                                                                                     
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW COUCH                                                                                                                    
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
EARL LACKEY                                                                                                                     
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REED MORISKY                                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ROB BOYER                                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RAYMOND NESBETT, Esq.                                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN DOHERTY, Executive Director                                                                                               
Southeast Alaska Seiners Association                                                                                            
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified   in   opposition   to   the                                                             
confirmations of Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort, and Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOE MERTISHEV, Board Member                                                                                                     
Kachemak Bay Fisheries Association                                                                                              
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BURT BOMHOFF                                                                                                                    
Chugiak, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
TED CROOKSTON                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CLAY BEZENEK                                                                                                                    
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone  and in support of the  confirmations of Israel                                                               
Payton, Gerad Godfrey, and Marit  Carlson-Van Dort, appointees to                                                               
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SHAWNA WILLIAMS BUCHUAN                                                                                                         
Chugiak and Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ERIC SPADE                                                                                                                      
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW SZCZESNY                                                                                                                 
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
STEVE MCCLURE                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
KAREN MCGAHAN                                                                                                                   
Nikiski, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD MCGAHAN                                                                                                                 
Nikiski, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN MERRITT                                                                                                                   
Wrangell, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
WINSTON DAVIES                                                                                                                  
Wrangell, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TIMOTHY MOORE                                                                                                                   
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JAMES HONKOLA                                                                                                                   
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JOHN RENNER                                                                                                                     
Cordova District Fishermen United (CDFU)                                                                                        
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL MICKELSON                                                                                                               
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHELSEA HAISMAN                                                                                                                 
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL BABIC                                                                                                                   
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TRACY NUZZI                                                                                                                     
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MAX WORHATCH, Executive Director                                                                                                
United Southeast Alaska Gillnetters (USAG)                                                                                      
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ERIC GRUNDBERG                                                                                                                  
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified   in   opposition   to   the                                                             
confirmations  of  Karl  Johnstone and  Marit  Carlson-Van  Dort,                                                               
appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DAVE THYNES                                                                                                                     
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MARY EVENS                                                                                                                      
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAD HEWITT                                                                                                                     
Iliamna, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
NATHAN GRUENING                                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS CLEMENS                                                                                                                   
Seward, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PAUL HOLLAND                                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
BIRCH YUKNIS, DDS                                                                                                               
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL IVERSON                                                                                                                    
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JACK OLIVE                                                                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
GREG BRUSH                                                                                                                      
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
KENT HUFF                                                                                                                       
Gustavus, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MIKE SZYMANSKI                                                                                                                  
Big Lake, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
LINDA BEHNKEN, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Longline Fishermen's Association                                                                                         
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone  and in support of the  confirmations of Israel                                                               
Payton, Gerad Godfrey, and Marit  Carlson-Van Dort, appointees to                                                               
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
KURT WHITEHEAD                                                                                                                  
Klawock, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Israel Payton, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JOE HINTON                                                                                                                      
Seward, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
VICKY JO KENNEDY                                                                                                                
Fish Watch                                                                                                                      
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD YAMADA                                                                                                                  
Alaska Tribal Association                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
NANCY HILLSTRAND                                                                                                                
Port Lyons, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT PENNEY                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE PIERCE                                                                                                                   
Kasilof, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified   in   opposition   to   the                                                             
confirmations of Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort, and Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOHN WHISSEL                                                                                                                    
Native Village of Eyak                                                                                                          
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ANDY HALL, President                                                                                                            
Kenai Peninsula Fishermen's Association                                                                                         
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
KASEY LOOMIS                                                                                                                    
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RAY DEBARDELABEN, President                                                                                                     
Kenai River Professional Guide Association                                                                                      
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PAUL SHADURA II                                                                                                                 
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MONTE ROBERTS                                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
FRED STURMAN                                                                                                                    
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified   in   opposition   to   the                                                             
confirmations of Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort, and Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
RON CARMON                                                                                                                      
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified   in   opposition   to   the                                                             
confirmations of Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort, and Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
GARY STEVENS                                                                                                                    
Chugiak, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JARED DANIELSON                                                                                                                 
Seattle, Washington                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TODD SMITH                                                                                                                      
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Israel  Payton and  in  opposition to  the  confirmation of  Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CLEM TILLION                                                                                                                    
Halibut Cove, Alaska                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ROLAND MAW, PhD                                                                                                                 
Kasilof, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  during the  confirmation hearing                                                             
for  Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort, and                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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6:32:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LOUISE  STUTES  called  the joint  meeting  of  the  House                                                             
Special Committee  on Fisheries and the  House Resources Standing                                                               
Committee to  order at 6:33  p.m.  Present  at the call  to order                                                               
from   the   House   Special    Committee   on   Fisheries   were                                                               
Representatives Vance, Kopp, Tarr, and  Stutes.  Present from the                                                               
House   Resources   Standing   Committee   were   Representatives                                                               
Rauscher, Talerico,  Spohnholz, Hannan, Tuck, Tarr,  and Lincoln.                                                               
Representatives Edgmon and Kreiss-Tomkins  from the House Special                                                               
Committee on Fisheries and  Representatives Hopkins and Rasmussen                                                               
from  the  House  Resources Standing  Committee  arrived  as  the                                                               
meeting was in progress.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^Consideration of Governor's Appointee's: Board of Fisheries                                                                    
  Consideration of Governor's Appointee's: Board of Fisheries                                                               
                                                                                                                              
6:34:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
consideration  of  the  governor's  appointees to  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries:    Israel  Payton, Gerad  Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort, and Karl Johnstone.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  introduced the first  appointee, Mr.  Israel Payton                                                               
of Wasilla.   She noted Mr. Payton currently serves  on the board                                                               
and  is up  for re-appointment.   If  confirmed Mr.  Payton would                                                               
serve from 7/1/19 to 6/30/22.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:34:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ISRAEL  PAYTON,  Appointee,  Board  of  Fisheries,  testified  as                                                               
appointee to the Board of Fisheries.   He stated he has served on                                                               
the  board  for  the  last   three  years,  one  full  term,  and                                                               
appreciates his  re-appointment to  serve another  term.   He was                                                               
home birthed  in a trapper's cabin  in the Alaska Range.   He and                                                               
his  three siblings  were  raised  in the  Alaska  Bush near  the                                                               
community of  Skwentna.   His family subsisted  off the  land and                                                               
water, utilizing everything  and never taking more  than what was                                                               
needed.   He was homeschooled in  the winters and in  the summers                                                               
starting at age 11 he worked  as a deckhand on his father's river                                                               
barge  service.    His  unique upbringing  has  resulted  in  his                                                               
tenacious character and passion for  fish and game resources.  He                                                               
began  working  in  the  fish  guiding industry  at  age  15  and                                                               
continued seasonally for about 12  years, operating his own guide                                                               
business for  part of that  time.   He quit guiding  fishermen in                                                               
2004.   Over the  years he  has also worked  as a  hunting guide,                                                               
welder,  North   Slope  operator,  construction   hand,  aviation                                                               
mechanic, and bush pilot.   Currently he develops property in the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna (Mat-Su) Valley.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAYTON related he is often  asked what group he represents on                                                               
the  board  and his  answer  is  that  he represents  Alaska  and                                                               
Alaskans.  He said he is  often labeled as a sport fishing person                                                               
or seat, but  is actually a subsistence user  and identifies more                                                               
with  that.   Growing up  he lived  through the  Payton v.  State                                                             
case,  which  instilled  in  him   the  importance  of  providing                                                               
subsistence opportunity  to Alaskan  residents.  His  core belief                                                               
is  that  residents  of  Alaska   should  be  always  provided  a                                                               
reasonable opportunity  to harvest fish  and game resources.   He                                                               
has traveled across  the state and understands  the importance of                                                               
these resources  to the state  and the  people here.   During his                                                               
time on  the board he  has earned  the reputation of  someone who                                                               
works  hard,  reads  all  the  material, has  an  open  mind,  is                                                               
approachable,  and willing  to work  with  all user  groups.   He                                                               
provides leadership in setting policy  and direction on the board                                                               
using  Article VIII  of  the state  constitution,  Section 16  of                                                               
statute, as his  guiding principles.  He enjoys  working with all                                                               
stakeholders.  When  voting he tries to  articulate his rationale                                                               
for or against a proposal.   He has a great relationship with the                                                               
Alaska Department of Fish and Game  (ADF&G) staff.  He works well                                                               
with  all  board   members  and  user  groups   and  would  enjoy                                                               
continuing to serve on the board.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:39:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK requested  Mr.  Payton to  elaborate on  the                                                               
Payton v. State case.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAYTON replied  he grew up in the bush  in Skwentna and there                                                               
was no subsistence fishery.  His  family lived on the river where                                                               
the water was  brackish and could not legally catch  a fish.  The                                                               
only legal  way to harvest the  fish was to drive  about 10 miles                                                               
downriver in a boat and  compete with recreation fishermen, sport                                                               
fishermen, and  lodge owners,  and harvest  three fish  under the                                                               
sport fishing limit, then return  home.  There was no opportunity                                                               
to harvest fish  going right by the family's doorstep  in a means                                                               
that the fish could be preserved  for the winter, so basically no                                                               
subsistence.  His  family went through three  different cycles of                                                               
the  [Board of  Fisheries] process  and was  rejected each  time.                                                               
Then, saying  that the board  was not following  the constitution                                                               
and the statute,  [his father, Tom Payton,] sued the  state.  [On                                                               
6/13/97]  the  Supreme Court  of  Alaska  remanded the  board  to                                                               
reverse its decision and find the subsistence out there.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:41:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  noted the statute  is quite general about  who the                                                               
membership of the  Board of Fisheries can be, and  there has been                                                               
"a de facto  3-3-1" understanding of [board seats].   She said it                                                               
is important to  her to think about a balance  of the views being                                                               
represented because of the conflict  and tension over allocation.                                                               
In regard to the 3-3-1,  she recalled Mr. Payton's statement that                                                               
he is considered  to be filling a sport fishing  seat even though                                                               
he identifies  more with subsistence.   She requested  Mr. Payton                                                               
to discuss this further.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAYTON responded he doesn't  necessarily agree with the 3-3-1                                                               
or with  designated seats.   He said  the statute  clearly states                                                               
that  there will  not be,  but that  is kind  of the  way it  is.                                                               
Diversity  is  key.    Everyone  is going  to  have  a  different                                                               
perspective  and his  perspective is  in-river use.   He  doesn't                                                               
have a commercial fish background,  but over the last three years                                                               
he has  gained a lot  more commercial  perspective.  He  has gone                                                               
out with  commercial fishermen and  become friends and  will soon                                                               
be going  bear hunting with a  setnetter and sharing a  cabin for                                                               
10 days.   His perspective "in  seat" would be in-river  use, and                                                               
that would  be subsistence, personal,  and sport use.   Utilizing                                                               
the resource in-river is his strong perspective.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR inquired how Mr.  Payton thinks the board roles are                                                               
working and how the board can  be improved to truly represent all                                                               
the  interests.   She said  she has  heard Mr.  Payton is  a hard                                                               
worker and always prepared.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAYTON  answered that maintaining  diversity on the  board is                                                               
wanted,  whether it  be 2-2-2-1  or something  else, with  strong                                                               
perspectives from  each side as well  as some from a  little more                                                               
to the neutral.  Relatively equal  diversity in the board is very                                                               
important; someone who is going  to automatically always advocate                                                               
or vote  one way would  not be wanted.   However, he  added, that                                                               
might be what is wanted as  the governor picks the appointees and                                                               
the legislature confirms them, so it is not up to him.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:44:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  said she  knows from watching  Mr. Payton  over the                                                               
last few  years that he is  well respected for his  decisions and                                                               
that they  are usually  science-based decisions.   While  she may                                                               
not  always agree  with Mr.  Payton, she  respects the  manner in                                                               
which  he arrives  at  his positions  on the  board.   She  noted                                                               
science has been coming out  in regard to hatcheries and straying                                                               
fish and  the effect it could  possibly have on wild  runs.  Many                                                               
people have  jumped to  the conclusion  that these  enhanced fish                                                               
are contributing  to the smaller  wild runs.  She  asked whether,                                                               
at this time,  Mr. Payton has a  position on that.   She said she                                                               
wants  to be  reassured that  if Mr.  Payton doesn't  yet have  a                                                               
position  and  does  take  one  later, that  it  is  science  and                                                               
research based.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAYTON replied that his  voting record reflects he votes with                                                               
science,  and the  science hasn't  proven  to him  that that  has                                                               
happened.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES  understood Mr.  Payton  to  be saying  he  doesn't                                                               
currently have enough information to  take a position on hatchery                                                               
fish.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAYTON responded  that ADF&G's data at that  time didn't show                                                               
detrimental effect, but  that there was concern and  it was being                                                               
looked at more.   He  said he voted against that emergency action                                                               
because it  wasn't proven to him  that action should be  taken to                                                               
reduce or  destroy the egg take.   He agrees with  putting things                                                               
on pause  and looking  closer at  hatcheries because  the science                                                               
did raise some questions.   He added, "We should police ourselves                                                               
to make  sure wild stock is  number one and sustainable  and that                                                               
hatcheries aren't  negatively affecting  them, and  we're looking                                                               
into it and we'll go where the science takes us on that one."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES inquired  about Mr.  Payton's  view of  traditional                                                               
intercept fisheries.   She  surmised Mr.  Payton is  aware Kodiak                                                               
has a traditional  intercept fishery of Cook Inlet  sockeye.  She                                                               
posed a scenario of a stock  becoming one of concern and there is                                                               
a traditional  intercept fishery on a  portion of that run.   She                                                               
asked how the Board of Fisheries might approach that.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAYTON  answered that it is  complicated.  He related  he has                                                               
heard ADF&G say that managing  mixed stock salmon fisheries isn't                                                               
rocket science; it's  harder than that.  The  department is right                                                               
that it  is very difficult  as there are  so many unknowns.   For                                                               
traditional  mixed  stock  fisheries,  intercept  fisheries,  the                                                               
board  has  a  mixed  stock policy  and  follows  its  allocation                                                               
guidelines.    When  a  mixed  stock fishery  has  a  weak  stock                                                               
involved, and  that weak  stock is  being harvested  or exploited                                                               
too  much, and  management actions  can be  taken to  reduce that                                                               
exploitation on that weaker stock,  the board should look into it                                                               
and have a conversation about it.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:48:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP thanked  Mr. Payton  for his  willingness to                                                               
serve  another  term.   He  stated  he  is an  active  commercial                                                               
setnetter in Bristol  Bay, as well an active sport  fisher on the                                                               
Kenai River.  He has heard from  all user groups that they have a                                                               
lot of respect  for Mr. Payton, which speaks well  for Mr. Payton                                                               
having a  strong mind  that isn't  easily biased  and that  he is                                                               
following the science.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAYTON replied, "Thank you                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:50:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES announced public testimony  would be taken after the                                                               
committee has spoken to all the appointees.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES introduced the next  appointee, Mr. Gerad Godfrey of                                                               
Eagle River.  She said this  would be Mr. Godfrey's first time to                                                               
serve on the  board and if confirmed Mr. Godfrey's  term would be                                                               
from 7/1/19 to 6/30/22.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:50:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GERAD  GODFREY,  Appointee,  Board  of  Fisheries,  testified  as                                                               
appointee to the  Board of Fisheries.  He said  he is a life-long                                                               
Alaskan  and is  an  Alaska Native.    His mother  grew  up in  a                                                               
fishing family  of subsistence and  commercial fishers.   She met                                                               
his  father in  Kodiak and  his father  traveled the  state as  a                                                               
state trooper.   He  grew up mostly  in rural  Alaska communities                                                               
before moving to the Anchorage area.   He said he spent his youth                                                               
commercial  fishing in  the  Kodiak Island  fishery  as a  salmon                                                               
seiner.   He also  spent one  season in  2013 fishing  in Bristol                                                               
Bay.   While he  has experience commercial  fishing, he  has also                                                               
been exposed to  people in rural Alaska who rely  heavily on fish                                                               
for subsistence and he knows what that means.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GODFREY said  he  spent 17  years as  chair  of the  Violent                                                               
Crimes Compensation  Board, so  is very  familiar with  the state                                                               
board process and public testimony.   He knows what it is like to                                                               
be on a  state board and make decisions based  on the evidence at                                                               
hand  and being  consistent, objective,  and fair  and having  to                                                               
decline people  who think  they are entitled  when they  are not.                                                               
He spent  three years  in Governor  Walker's administration  as a                                                               
senior advisor  on business and intergovernmental  affairs, which                                                               
led to  a great  deal of  exposure and time  in rural  Alaska and                                                               
learning  a great  deal about  the concerns  regarding fisheries.                                                               
He  also  attended  meetings on  behalf  of  Lieutenant  Governor                                                               
Mallott.  He allowed the Board  of Fisheries can be a provocative                                                               
board  because no  decision  that it  makes  will make  everybody                                                               
happy,  and at  times it  is  probably more  provocative than  it                                                               
should be and needs to be.   He said being objective, consistent,                                                               
open minded, and fair is what he will bring to the board.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:55:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR referenced  the question she posed  to the previous                                                               
appointee regarding  diversity on  the Board  of Fisheries.   She                                                               
pointed out  that under the  current appointments  some positions                                                               
would move "commercial"  seats out of coastal  communities and be                                                               
more urban  located.  She  inquired as  to how Mr.  Godfrey would                                                               
stay in touch with the  needs of those coastal communities, given                                                               
he resides near Anchorage.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. GODFREY offered  his appreciation for the question.   He said                                                               
that since there  are no designated seats on this  board it gives                                                               
him  heartburn when  there is  a  de facto  concept that  various                                                               
geographic  areas should  get a  certain number  of seats  on the                                                               
board because  in reality  any given governor  at any  given time                                                               
can  pull  the  rug  right  out  from  what  may  have  been  the                                                               
convention  for 10-15  years running,  but that  governor is  not                                                               
bound  by statute  to  recognize  what is  convention.   That  is                                                               
unfortunate, but  often the de  facto reality is reality  for all                                                               
purposes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GODFREY continued his response.   He related that when he was                                                               
interviewed  for the  board, he  was asked  who his  constituency                                                               
would be if  he was confirmed and he said  his constituency would                                                               
be any  and all Alaskans  who engaged  in the harvesting  of this                                                               
resource.   He  doesn't  have a  particular specific  constituent                                                               
group.   Someone looking at  his resume would see  the commercial                                                               
fishing,  but  the  assumption  would   have  been  that  it  was                                                               
subsistence  fishing because  of  his familial  connections.   He                                                               
currently  serves  on the  board  of  directors for  the  Afognak                                                               
Native  Corporation,   where  subsistence  users   express  their                                                               
concerns from  time to  time even  though it  doesn't rise  up to                                                               
what  a  for-profit  corporation  does.    He  doesn't  have  any                                                               
constituency  beyond all  the users  and potential  users in  the                                                               
state,  meaning he  is  going into  this with  an  open mind  and                                                               
doesn't have any predetermined outcomes  or opinions in mind.  He                                                               
looks  at data  and science  and evidence  and listens  to public                                                               
testimony  and is  probably moveable  on any  and every  position                                                               
that may  come before  him during  his first  year on  the board.                                                               
There will  come a  point at  where he has  heard enough  to draw                                                               
decisions after 12-18 months, but right  now he is a blank slate.                                                               
The  reality is  that  he  has probably  had  more sport  fishing                                                               
licenses in the  last 20 years than commercial licenses.   He has                                                               
extended family  and many friends  in the Interior and  on Kodiak                                                               
Island  who  still  engage  in  subsistence  harvesting  and  his                                                               
contacts continue regardless of what he  is doing in his day job.                                                               
He  anticipates still  being tied  into the  various user  groups                                                               
that he has had familiarity with in the past.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:59:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  referenced the question  she posed to  the previous                                                               
appointee about  hatcheries, fish straying, and  possible effects                                                               
on wild runs and requested Mr. Godfrey's thoughts.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. GODFREY  responded his  thoughts are that  he is  open minded                                                               
and  not  quick to  react  to  science  that  appears to  have  a                                                               
predetermined  outcome  and  agenda  in hand;  he  appreciates  a                                                               
comprehensive study.  He said  he knows firsthand from commercial                                                               
fishing in Kitoi Bay, Alaska,  on Afognak Island while growing up                                                               
that there  is a quantifiable and  tangible benefit, economically                                                               
and  otherwise,   to  hatchery   fisheries.     If  there   is  a                                                               
comprehensive  study and  data  that would  indicate  there is  a                                                               
correlating adverse response  to wild stock and  it is quantified                                                               
in science, he  is moveable on that  as well.  There  are so many                                                               
variables that  would have to go  into that study.   This came up                                                               
while he  was in the  previous administration and it  didn't seem                                                               
like the  science was settled  science at the time  because there                                                               
were certain  questions that  couldn't be  answered at  the time.                                                               
He said he  understands a comprehensive study is  underway and he                                                               
is open  to data that shows  a negative impact to  wild stocks if                                                               
and  when that  data becomes  available.   As things  stand right                                                               
now, he only has his  personal experience of the economic benefit                                                               
of hatcheries for commercial, subsistence, and sport fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES recalled  the question  she posed  to the  previous                                                               
appointee  about  intercept  fisheries   and  how  Kodiak  has  a                                                               
traditional  intercept  fishery  of  Cook  Inlet  sockeye.    She                                                               
requested Mr.  Godfrey's ideas  on situations  like this  where a                                                               
stock becomes of concern.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GODFREY answered  he doesn't have an idea;  he has questions.                                                               
He said if  he is confirmed he  will to need to  read and process                                                               
data that  is available.  He  disclosed he grew up  getting those                                                               
Cook Inlet  sockeye that were northbound  through Shelikof Strait                                                               
on  the west  side of  Kodiak Island.   His  gear would  also get                                                               
sockeye  bound for  Bristol Bay.   He  would go  to the  southern                                                               
boundary of the  Kodiak fishery and intercept fish  bound for the                                                               
Chignik  fisheries.   There were  also the  Karluk and  Red river                                                               
destinations  on the  west  side of  Kodiak Island.    So, he  is                                                               
sensitive to the fact that if  the escapement goals are not being                                                               
hit  and there  is decimation  in returning  salmon to  the point                                                               
where  escapement  has to  be  raised  and  closures have  to  be                                                               
extended,  that is  problematic to  upstream users  north of  the                                                               
Kodiak fisheries.   He doesn't have an answer  because he doesn't                                                               
have enough information, but he  knows that there are commercial,                                                               
subsistence, personal, and  sport fish users far  north of Kodiak                                                               
that are  impacted by  what happens before  those salmon  make it                                                               
there    whether it is  out in the  ocean or heading  through the                                                               
Kodiak Island  fishery.  He  is open to  seeing data on  that but                                                               
doesn't have an answer.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:04:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  noted the committee packet  [includes a copy                                                               
of Mr. Godfrey's  application] but not his resume.   He noted Mr.                                                               
Godfrey  has  a  certificate  from the  Alaska  Native  Executive                                                               
Leadership Program.  He requested  Mr. Godfrey to provide further                                                               
information regarding his education.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. GODFREY responded that he  graduated from Chugiak High School                                                               
in Eagle  River; received a  Bachelor of Science degree  from the                                                               
University of Great  Falls, Great Falls, Montana;  and received a                                                               
Juris Doctorate degree from Concordia School of Law.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK inquired about Mr. Godfrey's current work.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GODFREY  answered  he  is  full-time  self-employed  between                                                               
consulting and  his service  on the  Afognak board  of directors.                                                               
Regarding the  possibility of  conflict of  interest, he  said he                                                               
doesn't have  any current,  and never has  had, any  clients that                                                               
have anything to do with fisheries,  and he would not take any in                                                               
the future if he serves on the Board of Fisheries.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  asked  what  the industries  are  that  Mr.                                                               
Godfrey consults for.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GODFREY  replied his  clients  have  been based  outside  of                                                               
Alaska,  in particular  crypto currency  and genealogy,  with the                                                               
genealogy related to how it  applies to law enforcement cold case                                                               
analysis, as well as working for some tribes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  inquired about  what made Mr.  Godfrey think                                                               
he may have a conflict with his consulting.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GODFREY responded  that when  someone is  a consultant,  the                                                               
word  consulting is  very vague.   He  recalled that  about 10-13                                                               
years ago a legislator, who is  no longer in the legislature, got                                                               
a lot  of heat because that  legislator during the interim  had a                                                               
contract  for consulting  with a  large entity  based in  Alaska.                                                               
Some people  wanted to  understand the details  of that  and what                                                               
committee assignments  that legislator had based  on whether that                                                               
person  was  a consultant  just  for  access.   Therefore  he  is                                                               
hypersensitive to the  term consultant when it is  viewed as such                                                               
a vague umbrella of taking clients on.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK asked if Mr. Godfrey submitted a resume.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GODFREY  answered  yes;  he  uploaded  his  resume  when  he                                                               
completed the  application.  He  noted the  Senate had a  copy of                                                               
his resume when he appeared in a hearing before that body.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:09:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  inquired whether  Mr. Godfrey  is licensed                                                               
to practice law in Alaska and has passed the Alaska Bar [exam].                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. GODFREY  replied no, he hasn't  sat for the exam  and doesn't                                                               
intend to.   He said he  didn't pursue a Juris  Doctorate for the                                                               
purpose of practicing law but rather for personal reasons.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  introduced the next  appointee, Ms.  Marit Carlson-                                                               
Van Dort  of Anchorage.  She  said this would be  Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort's  first time  to serve  on the  board.   If confirmed,  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort's term would be from 5/1/19 to 6/30/21.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:09:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARIT CARLSON-VAN DORT, Appointee,  Board of Fisheries, testified                                                               
as appointee to the  Board of Fisheries.  She said  she is a born                                                               
and  raised Alaskan  from  the southern  Alaska  Peninsula.   She                                                               
attended school  in Juneau during  winters and spent  her summers                                                               
in  Chignik Bay.   She  has many  connections between  Kodiak and                                                               
Chignik Bay.   Excepting the last five and a  half years, she has                                                               
lived  her entire  life in  coastal Alaska  off the  road system.                                                               
Chignik is  a small community  with a long history  in fisheries,                                                               
primarily salmon, but  over the years Chignik has at  one time or                                                               
another  hosted  several  fisheries,  including  cod,  crab,  and                                                               
halibut.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT noted that in  the early 1990s, when she was                                                               
12 or  13 years old, she  was offered a job  on her grandfather's                                                               
seiner and she  spent 14 summers seining in  that salmon fishery,                                                               
as did  her mother for 24  years and her grandfather  for over 60                                                               
years, and his  father before him.  Each summer  her family would                                                               
catch its subsistence fish and  salt, dry, smoke, can, and freeze                                                               
the fish to enjoy throughout the  year.  Fishing afforded her the                                                               
opportunity for  an excellent education and  inspired a life-long                                                               
interest in ecology  and the sciences of the natural  world.  She                                                               
graduated from  Juneau-Douglas High School and  earned a Bachelor                                                               
of Science degree in conservation  biology from the University of                                                               
Wisconsin-Madison.   This  university  pioneered  the science  of                                                               
limnology  and  fish  ecology  in  freshwater  systems  in  North                                                               
American and this is where  she concentrated most of her studies.                                                               
She  continued   her  education  at  the   University  of  Alaska                                                               
Southeast,  receiving  a  Master  of Science  in  fisheries  with                                                               
interest in large  population dynamics in salmonid  species and a                                                               
Master  of  Arts Teaching  program  where  she studied  secondary                                                               
education with a math-science emphasis.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT  stated that how Alaska  protects its salmon                                                               
and  uses  its  many  resources has  remained  essential  to  her                                                               
personal  and   professional  interest.    Formerly   she  was  a                                                               
legislative staffer  and spent many  hours working in  the Senate                                                               
Resources  Standing  Committee.    She  was  also  a  legislative                                                               
liaison for  the Department of  Conservation for 6-7 years.   She                                                               
recently shifted  to the  private sector,  working in  public and                                                               
government  affairs in  areas associated  with state  and federal                                                               
regulation, environmental policies,  permitting, development, and                                                               
community outreach.   She is  currently the director  of external                                                               
affairs  for NANA  Regional Corporation.    Additionally she  has                                                               
spent many years  leading an Alaska Native  Claims Settlement Act                                                               
(ANCSA)   village  corporation   for  managing   its  lands   for                                                               
subsistence; so  resources remains the highest  priority and best                                                               
use of the corporation's lands.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT related that  her interest in serving on the                                                               
Board of Fisheries became most pronounced  in the last year.  She                                                               
is  becoming  increasingly  interested and  concerned  about  the                                                               
state  of Alaska's  fish resources.    The poor  seasons and  low                                                               
escapements experienced  all over  the state last  year refocused                                                               
her  attention  on  the  many questions  and  unknowns  that  are                                                               
affecting Alaska's fish.  What  possible biologic variables could                                                               
be impacting  Alaska's fisheries  as well as  the effects  of the                                                               
competition amongst  stakeholders and user groups?   She strongly                                                               
believes that  how the challenges  are approached  will determine                                                               
the long-term viability  and success of Alaska's  fisheries.  The                                                               
board's greatest  challenge is how  to manage in the  interest of                                                               
conservation  and  satisfy  the  needs  of  various  user  groups                                                               
without creating  special privileges  and exclusive rights.   She                                                               
is interested and willing to  dedicate herself to this challenge,                                                               
and she will  base decisions on sound and  defensible science and                                                               
incorporating  valuable local  and  traditional  knowledge.   The                                                               
collective goal  is to ensure  a healthy ecosystem  and long-term                                                               
sustainable resource that provides for all Alaskans.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:17:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RASMUSSEN thanked  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort for  her                                                               
willingness to serve  and asked whether Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort has                                                               
any conflicts of interest in serving on this board.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  replied she  doesn't believe  she has  any                                                               
conflicts of interest at this point in  time.  She said no one in                                                               
her immediate family  is involved in the  fisheries, although her                                                               
extended family is.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:17:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE inquired  why Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort  didn't                                                               
continue with teaching.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN  DORT responded she  was young, and while  it was                                                               
rewarding, she felt like she needed  to take a break from school.                                                               
When she  returned to  Alaska she  started getting  interested in                                                               
public  policy  and  that  is  when she  went  to  work  for  the                                                               
legislature and the trajectory of her career went from there.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE observed  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort's work  and                                                               
board  experience includes  president and  CEO of  Far West  Inc.                                                               
She requested a description of the business.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN  DORT answered  that  it  is the  ANCSA  village                                                               
corporation  she previously  mentioned.    The corporation  holds                                                               
lands  in the  Chignik Bay  area  and participates  in the  Small                                                               
Business Administration's 8(a) federal contracting program.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE noted  there is much concern  in the fishing                                                               
industry  of any  connection to  the Pebble  Limited Partnership.                                                               
She requested  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort  to explain her  time working                                                               
for Pebble and how that is going  to reflect upon her time on the                                                               
Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT replied she  doesn't believe it will reflect                                                               
at  all  on  her  participation  or  ability  to  make  objective                                                               
decisions while  on the  Board of  Fisheries.   She said  she was                                                               
hired after two years of deliberation.   She took the position at                                                               
the  Pebble Partnership  primarily for  the reason  that she  was                                                               
concerned  about the  Bristol Bay  fishery and  any impacts  that                                                               
might arise from the development of  a mine at the Pebble Project                                                               
site.  Shortly after she was  hired the primary investor left the                                                               
project and  so at  that time  the nature of  what she  was doing                                                               
there changed dramatically.   She focused her work  on what types                                                               
of  benefits a  project  like  Pebble might  be  able provide  to                                                               
residents of  the Bristol Bay  region.   The company she  went to                                                               
work for is very different than the  one she left last year.  She                                                               
is  interested  in  reviewing   the  draft  environmental  impact                                                               
statement that  the company has  put forth.   She stated  for the                                                               
record that she  remains unconvinced that a mine  at Pebble would                                                               
decimate the  Bristol Bay  salmon fishery,  but she  thinks there                                                               
are legitimate concerns  that folks have.  She spent  quite a bit                                                               
of time in the region talking about those with stakeholders.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:22:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK   inquired  about  Ms.   Carlson-Van  Dort's                                                               
experience with the fishing vessel Miss Marit.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT responded that  the Miss Marit was built and                                                               
named for  her by her  grandfather in 1979  and was the  boat she                                                               
was hired on.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:23:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  referenced the question  she posed to  the previous                                                               
appointees  about  intercept  fisheries  and  how  Kodiak  has  a                                                               
traditional  intercept  fishery  of  Cook  Inlet  sockeye.    She                                                               
requested Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort's views on  traditional intercept                                                               
fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT  answered that with respect  to mixed stocks                                                               
and terminal  fisheries it  is fair to  share in  bountiful times                                                               
when salmon returns are prolific and  strong.  But, she said, she                                                               
also thinks  it is fair  to be conservative to  ensure escapement                                                               
goals necessary  to maintain the  productivity of the  stock over                                                               
time.  Return numbers change and  they can change a lot from year                                                               
to year, so it is  prudent to look at the data to  see if it is a                                                               
freak  occurrence  or  possible  trend.     That  is  why  it  is                                                               
appropriate to  review those management plans  and allocations on                                                               
a regular basis and that is what the board does.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES repeated  the question  she posed  to the  previous                                                               
appointees about hatcheries, fish  straying, and possible effects                                                               
on wild  runs and  requested Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort's  position on                                                               
hatchery fish.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  replied  she doesn't  have  a position  on                                                               
hatchery  fish  and is  very  interested  in learning  about  the                                                               
issue.  She said she  believes that hatcheries and those enhanced                                                               
fisheries have  a place  and purpose and  have provided  value to                                                               
the commercial  fisheries that are  in the hatchery areas.   With                                                               
that said,  it is important  to take a precautionary  approach to                                                               
those hatcheries and  have a good understanding  of what (indisc.                                                               
 - audio difficulty).  She doesn't  yet have a strong feeling one                                                               
way  or  the  other,  but  is  very  curious  to  see  where  the                                                               
discussion leads.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  stated that  there is a  lot of  political pressure                                                               
around fisheries.   She asked whether Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort feels                                                               
she  will  be  able  to  resist that  pressure  in  making  board                                                               
decisions that  are based on  science and research as  opposed to                                                               
political pressure.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  responded,  "Most definitely."   She  said                                                               
pressure is good and bad and  she doesn't know if the right thing                                                               
to say  is to  resist or incorporate  the political  pressure and                                                               
pressure in  general.  Good things  come from pressure.   It is a                                                               
delicate balance and  needs to be debated on  defensible data and                                                               
that  data  needs  to  come  from multiple  sources  to  make  as                                                               
informed a decision as possible.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:27:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR referenced  the question she posed  to the previous                                                               
appointees  regarding  diversity  and  balance on  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries to  ensure that everybody's interests  are represented.                                                               
Regarding  the  de  facto  seats  on the  board,  she  noted  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van  Dort   would  be   representing  the   viewpoint  of                                                               
subsistence.   She requested  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort to  share her                                                               
thoughts and how she will weigh her role.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT answered that  her role is to represent user                                                               
groups  in the  state of  Alaska.   She  said the  de facto  seat                                                               
definitions  are kind  of  a  simple way  of  trying to  maintain                                                               
balance.   It  is important  to  have a  board plate  that has  a                                                               
varied background  amongst the use  of the fisheries and  that is                                                               
being seen in her and some of  the other candidates as well.  She                                                               
has  a  lot  of experience  and  her  family  has  had a  lot  of                                                               
experience.   Subsistence  use is  very important  and so  is the                                                               
commercial fishing  aspect.   She has  been around  sport fishing                                                               
but not  participated only because  she is  not very good  at it.                                                               
People who serve on the board  need to have a balanced background                                                               
and she brings that to the plate.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  introduced the next  appointee, Mr.  Karl Johnstone                                                               
of Anchorage.   She noted Mr. Johnstone previously  served on the                                                               
board from 2008-2015.  If  confirmed, Mr. Johnstone's appointment                                                               
would run from 5/1/19 to 7/30/2021.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:30:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARL  JOHNSTONE,  Appointee,  Board of  Fisheries,  testified  as                                                               
appointee to  the Board of  Fisheries.  He  said he has  lived in                                                               
the  Anchorage  area continuously  since  arriving  in Alaska  in                                                               
1967.  After  practicing law for a few years  he was appointed to                                                               
the  Anchorage Superior  Court where  he served  until 1997,  the                                                               
last  four years  as presiding  judge of  the trial  courts.   He                                                               
served on  the Board of  Fisheries from 2008-2015, the  last four                                                               
years  of  which he  served  as  chairman,  three of  which  were                                                               
unanimous, and  last one being  in October  2014.  This  would be                                                               
his third full  confirmation.  He was a setnetter  in Bristol Bay                                                               
for a couple years and then  fished a drift permit in Bristol Bay                                                               
for a few years.  He also  was a commercial fisherman for sac roe                                                               
herring in Southeast Alaska and in Prince William Sound.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  said many  of his  supporters characterize  him as                                                               
having good knowledge of the  fishery and the process, experience                                                               
in the  fishery, always well  prepared, and attending  every part                                                               
of every meeting.   He is told he is  accessible, polite, direct,                                                               
listens to  everybody, and is  a good advocate for  the resource.                                                               
His opponents say he coerces,  threatens, and is disrespectful to                                                               
ADF&G staff, the public, and his  fellow board members.  He asked                                                               
the  committee  to   consider  whether  it  makes   sense  to  be                                                               
unanimously  elected  by  his  fellow  board  members  for  three                                                               
consecutive years if these claims were true.  They are not.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  stated he  suspects there  is going  to be  a fair                                                               
amount of controversy about him.   He is told one thing that will                                                               
be brought up  is his hiring of  a coroner 25 years  ago when one                                                               
of  his  tasks   as  presiding  judge  was   to  hire  employees,                                                               
magistrate judges, and other staff in  the court system.  He said                                                               
he deviated from an established  hiring process in 1994 and hired                                                               
a coroner  recommended by  the chief justice.   This  was against                                                               
the good  advice given to  him by administrative staff  and other                                                               
competent people.  A complaint  was made and the judges committee                                                               
that  was  commissioned after  a  hearing  ruled that  while  his                                                               
conduct was legal  and authorized by law, it  gave the appearance                                                               
of impropriety.   The Supreme Court of Alaska agreed,  and he was                                                               
given  a  reprimand,  which  he   believes  was  appropriate  and                                                               
deserved.   He is proud  of his 25  years of public  service, but                                                               
everyone  makes mistakes,  and  he  made a  mistake,  and he  was                                                               
wrong, and he learned from it.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:33:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN inquired about  the location from which Mr.                                                               
Johnstone is calling today.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE  replied he  is  calling  from Prescott,  Arizona,                                                               
after returning from  a visit with his daughter in  a hospital in                                                               
California.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  asked what  portion of time  Mr. Johnstone                                                               
lives in Prescott versus Anchorage.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE responded  he lives the majority  of time, probably                                                               
seven  months, in  Anchorage where  he has  a home.   He  said he                                                               
travels quite  a bit  to other  states and  doesn't just  stay in                                                               
Arizona.   He spends enough  time in  Alaska to easily  receive a                                                               
permanent fund dividend each year.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  asked how  many months does  Mr. Johnstone                                                               
receive  the  Cost  of  Living Allowance  (COLA)  for  his  state                                                               
retirement.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE answered  that  COLA does  not  apply to  judicial                                                               
retirement,  but  he  believes  it  does  apply  to  other  state                                                               
retirement benefits.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  noted that  when Mr.  Johnstone previously                                                               
served  on  the  Board  of   Fisheries  and  was  a  resident  of                                                               
Anchorage,  he traditionally  took a  suite at  the Captain  Cook                                                               
Hotel versus  staying in his  home.  She requested  Mr. Johnstone                                                               
to describe  why he did that  and what would be  his intention if                                                               
re-appointed.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE replied  that in  2009 department  staff told  him                                                               
that he should stay in or  near the hotel in Anchorage when board                                                               
meetings were conducted  and that he would be given  a hotel room                                                               
and per  diem.   He was  asked, and  thought instructed,  to stay                                                               
there.  The department received  this authority from the director                                                               
of  the Division  of Administrative  Services every  year he  was                                                               
there.   There  are  several documents,  one  a memorandum  dated                                                               
10/24/13,  which was  a request  for him  to receive  lodging and                                                               
meals in  Anchorage while attending  board meetings for  the 2013                                                               
and  2014  meeting  cycle.    Reading  from  the  memorandum,  he                                                               
continued:   "Meeting days require  long hours and  work sessions                                                               
in the  evening as well  as preparation for next  day's meetings,                                                               
formal meetings  before and after formal  on-the-record sessions.                                                               
This schedule  makes it  very inconvenient  for Mr.  Johnstone to                                                               
drive home at the  end of the day and turn  around early the next                                                               
morning  to make  the meetings  on  time.   This is  in the  best                                                               
interest of  the board  process Mr. Johnstone  remain on  site of                                                               
the meetings."   He added  that this was  a decision made  by the                                                               
department, not by him.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN inquired as to who signed the memo.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE responded  that the  aforementioned memo  was from                                                               
Shaundy   Petraborg,  Administrative   Officer,  Boards   Support                                                               
Section.  The  executive director of the  Boards Support Section,                                                               
Glenn Haight, and  his predecessor also made them.   This one was                                                               
directed  to  Sunny  Haight,  the director  of  the  Division  of                                                               
Administrative Services.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  asked where Mr. Johnstone  would stay when                                                               
in Anchorage if he were again on the Board of Fisheries.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  answered he would stay  where he was told  to stay                                                               
for the  best interests of  the board.   He would much  prefer to                                                               
stay in his own house, as he gets  tired of hotel meals.  He said                                                               
he doesn't  make any money on  this, it is an  inconvenience, but                                                               
in the winter,  it is about  45 minutes between his house and the                                                               
hotel during good conditions, longer during bad conditions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:38:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES inquired  whether it was at  Mr. Johnstone's request                                                               
or the board's request that he stay at the hotel.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE replied  that in  2009  he asked  what the  policy                                                               
would be  for meetings held in  Anchorage.  He was  told that the                                                               
department would want him to stay  in a hotel in Anchorage and be                                                               
paid per diem when  he was in Anchorage.  It  wasn't a request by                                                               
him, but rather an answer to a question he asked.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES asked  whether  Mr. Johnstone  is  aware that  when                                                               
legislators receive  per diem it  is only if the  legislator does                                                               
not live within a 50-mile radius from where the meeting is.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE responded  yes,  he is  aware  about other  public                                                               
officials.  The  subject of these memorandums  and these requests                                                               
made by the  department, and not by him,  requested travel status                                                               
acknowledging that  he would be  coming from less than  a 50-mile                                                               
radius to a duty station.   He understood that, but it wasn't his                                                               
decision.  He didn't ask for it,  he was told he should be at the                                                               
meetings and they asked for it for him.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:40:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR reflected  on whether it would be good  to get some                                                               
new people involved in the board  because new energy can be good.                                                               
She  offered  her  understanding   that  Mr.  Johnstone  was  now                                                               
transitioning  into a  new phase  of his  life with  more travel.                                                               
She  inquired  whether  Mr.  Johnstone  has  received  an  Alaska                                                               
permanent fund dividend every year for the last five years.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  answered he  has received three  in the  last five                                                               
years.   He said  he forgot  to apply  for one  and the  other he                                                               
decided not to apply even though he would have qualified.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR  referenced  the  question  she  asked  the  other                                                               
appointees about diversity  on the board.  She  asked whether Mr.                                                               
Johnstone feels  his previous board  experience is an asset  or a                                                               
liability in  this case  because when someone  is a  known entity                                                               
people may perceive that any  previous problems are going to come                                                               
back  to  the board  again.    She  related  that she  has  heard                                                               
criticisms of  Mr. Johnstone's leadership style  and treatment of                                                               
the public, although  she couldn't confirm the  accuracy of those                                                               
criticisms.  She  asked Mr. Johnstone how she  should be thinking                                                               
about those concerns as she evaluates his appointment.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  replied he  has kept  current on  fisheries issues                                                               
over  the past  four  years even  though he  hasn't  been on  the                                                               
board.   He said he is  very interested and passionate  about the                                                               
issues and  so tries to  keep current.  He  was well known  to be                                                               
prepared and  his experience would  be a  big positive.   When he                                                               
starts his first meeting, he  will hit the ground running without                                                               
any learning curve.  New board  members have to learn an entirely                                                               
new language  of terms they've  never heard  before.  He  will be                                                               
able to provide mentorship to  the new board members, which would                                                               
be an advantage to putting him on the board.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:44:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RASMUSSEN  stated that  Mr. Johnstone  is probably                                                               
the most controversial appointee to  the Board of Fisheries.  She                                                               
inquired  why there  is  so much  opposition  to Mr.  Johnstone's                                                               
appointment because she  can't imagine that the  coroner story of                                                               
25  years  ago   equates  to  the  current   opposition  that  is                                                               
specifically coming from commercial fishing.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  responded he has  a hard  time answering as  he is                                                               
taken aback by  some of the claims made about  him, as he doesn't                                                               
believe they  are accurate.   He  said he  is very  effective and                                                               
well prepared;  he doesn't  just rubberstamp  what he  hears from                                                               
the  department and  he doesn't  just accept  everything somebody                                                               
says without  looking at  it more carefully.   The  board members                                                               
listen  to him,  and when  he expresses  his opinions,  he thinks                                                               
they  consider them  in light  of his  experience.   Sometimes he                                                               
votes  in a  way that  maybe costs  the commercial  fisheries and                                                               
they look  at this as  a business proposition  and if he  makes a                                                               
decision that  costs them  money, they are  going to  worry about                                                               
that in the future.  That  happens in the urban area around upper                                                               
Cook Inlet,  he doesn't hear  much flak  from Bristol Bay  or the                                                               
Alaska  Peninsula.   It  seems  to be  centered  on  some of  the                                                               
fisheries where there  are mixed stocks and a  lot of competition                                                               
for their use.  He represents  all Alaskans and his decisions are                                                               
going to be based  on what is sustainable and he  is going to try                                                               
to  divvy  up  the  resource  so  it  complies  with  the  Alaska                                                               
constitution, which  says it  should be  managed for  the maximum                                                               
benefit  of Alaskans.    Times  have changed  in  Alaska and  the                                                               
policies and regulations have to  change to adapt to the changing                                                               
times.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RASMUSSEN asked  Mr.  Johnstone  to estimate  how                                                               
many times he  voted against commercial fisheries as  well as for                                                               
commercial fisheries while he was on the board.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE replied it would be impossible to figure that out.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:47:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  recalled an  opinion piece  in the  Anchorage Daily                                                               
News (ADN), [published 2/13/17],  in which Mr. Johnstone asserted                                                               
that  farmed fish  are  essentially  the way  of  the future  and                                                               
Alaska's commercial  fishing industry is  a dying one.   She read                                                               
aloud  from  portions  of the  article,  which  stated  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The new  businesses that are Alaska's  economic future,                                                                    
     along  with the  average Alaska  angler and  dipnetter,                                                                    
     get  treated  like  ugly stepsisters  while  the  focus                                                                    
     remains on trying  to prolong the life of  the aged and                                                                    
     fading sibling for as long  as possible even though the                                                                    
     benefits to the Alaska  family are destined to steadily                                                                    
     decline.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska  salmon  are today  small  players  in a  global                                                                    
     market  where salmon  farms, like  it  or not,  dictate                                                                    
     price.   The Norwegians  produced a record  1.3 million                                                                    
     tons  of  farmed salmon  in  2015,  the Canadians,  1.2                                                                    
     million tons.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Commercial prices  have flatlined.   Unfortunately, one                                                                    
     cannot  rule  out  the  possibility  that  prices  will                                                                    
     continue  downward as  aquaculture operations  follow a                                                                    
     50-year  trend and  become ever  more  efficient.   The                                                                    
     Worldwatch  Institute,  an   influential  NGO,  is  now                                                                    
     calling  aquaculture "the  most  hopeful  trend in  the                                                                    
     world's increasingly troubled food system."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The world has  changed, and it is  changing evermore by                                                                    
     the day.  We need to keep up!                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES requested Mr. Johnstone to comment on his writing.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE responded  that the  aforementioned opinion  piece                                                               
from a little over two years  ago was intended to be provocative,                                                               
to  get people's  attention, and  to  get people  thinking.   The                                                               
words he  used were intended  in just that  manner.  It  does not                                                               
mean he would  discriminate in any way; he has  no animus against                                                               
the commercial  fishing industry,  he was a  commercial fisherman                                                               
himself and  he wants it  successful.   But there are  facts that                                                               
are taking place.   The price paid to fishermen  is a fraction of                                                               
what it was in  the 1980s.  Farmed fish are  taking over.  Alaska                                                               
used to  be a big player  in the salmon production  worldwide; it                                                               
is now a much smaller player.   He wants people to start thinking                                                               
about  what can  be  done  to maximize  the  economic benefit  of                                                               
Alaska's  commercial  fisheries  rather  than just  use  the  old                                                               
methods that have been done for so many years.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES inquired  whether Mr.  Johnstone is  advocating for                                                               
farmed  salmon in  the  state of  Alaska.   She  said writing  an                                                               
article  like this  and putting  it in  the Anchorage  Daily News                                                               
suggests, to her, more than an attention-getting article.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE answered he is not  in favor of developing a farmed                                                               
fishery  in Alaska.    What he  said stands  for  itself and  his                                                               
reason  was to  be  provocative.   He  has  written  a number  of                                                               
opinion  pieces  and  opinion  pieces are  meant  to  get  people                                                               
thinking.    He  reiterated  he has  nothing  against  commercial                                                               
fishing and wants it to succeed.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES  stated  that  a majority  of  the  opinion  pieces                                                               
written  by Mr.  Johnstone  have always  expressed  a clear  bias                                                               
towards commercial  fisheries.  She  asked whether that  was also                                                               
an  attention-getting way  of  trying to  pay  more attention  to                                                               
Alaska's  commercial  fisheries.    She further  asked  what  the                                                               
purpose is of having such  a bias against commercial fisheries in                                                               
his writing.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE replied he disagrees  with the chair's premise.  He                                                               
said he  does not have  a bias; he  tries to get  people thinking                                                               
and to get people to  understand the economic impacts of Alaska's                                                               
fisheries.   It is sometimes  to be provocative and  sometimes to                                                               
provide information, but it is not biased.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:51:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ  noted  that Mr.  Johnstone  cites  his                                                               
experience as one reason for  why legislators should support him.                                                               
She related  she is an  urban Alaskan  who does do  some personal                                                               
use fishing, but  fishing is not her background.   In researching                                                               
the background  of appointees it  came to her attention  that Mr.                                                               
Johnstone was asked  to resign from the Board  of Fisheries when,                                                               
under  his leadership,  the board  interviewed only  one of  five                                                               
candidates  for  the  board.   Then-Speaker  of  the  House  Mike                                                               
Chenault wrote a  letter to then-Governor Walker,  two people who                                                               
did not see  eye-to-eye on very much, requesting a  review of the                                                               
meeting, and  afterwards Governor Walker asked  for Mr. Johnstone                                                               
to resign.  She requested Mr. Johnstone to comment on this.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE responded  that Governor Walker did not  ask him to                                                               
resign after  the Board  of Fisheries met.   The  governor called                                                               
and told him  he wasn't going to be reappointed  that session, so                                                               
he then volunteered to resign if  it would make it better and get                                                               
somebody on the board and up  to steam.  The Anchorage Daily News                                                               
accurately reported  it.  The  Board of Fisheries is  tasked with                                                               
interviewing and submitting  names to the governor  of people who                                                               
are being considered as commissioner  of the Alaska Department of                                                               
Fish  and Game.    In  this case  the  Board  of Fisheries  voted                                                               
unanimously  not to  interview or  forward an  individual by  the                                                               
name of  Dr. Roland  Maw to Governor  Walker as  being qualified.                                                               
He cannot  speak to  other members  as far  as their  reasons for                                                               
voting no, but he didn't think he  was going to be a good fit, so                                                               
he voted  no.  The governor  had already appointed Sam  Cotton as                                                               
his [ADF&G] commissioner.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ apologized  and said  Mr. Johnstone  is                                                               
correct.     The  governor  called   Mr.  Johnstone   to  express                                                               
disappointment  about  the lack  of  process  demonstrated.   The                                                               
governor was  expressing this concern  about the lack of  a fair,                                                               
transparent, and public process.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE answered that he  specifically asked the Department                                                               
of  Law through  the board's  support section  whether the  board                                                               
needed to  give reasons if  the board  didn't want to  forward an                                                               
individual's name to the governor.   There were five other people                                                               
who  had applied,  including  Sam Cotton,  and  the board  didn't                                                               
interview them or  forward their names either.  He  was told that                                                               
the board  didn't need to  give reasons  and he felt  the reasons                                                               
that might  be given were unnecessary,  as he didn't want  to say                                                               
unpleasant things about somebody and  wanted to make the decision                                                               
of whether or  not to push a  person forward.  He was  one of the                                                               
seven  votes  in  the  unanimous  vote;  the  board  makes  these                                                               
decisions, not any individual.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ commented  that based  on some  of this                                                               
superficial review she isn't mystified  as to why Mr. Johnstone's                                                               
appointment  is controversial.   She  said  that for  a sense  of                                                               
fairness,  process really  matters  when talking  about fish  and                                                               
game.    For  her,  the   lack  of  process  in  reviewing  those                                                               
candidates harkens back to Mr.  Johnstone's earlier mistake.  She                                                               
agreed everyone  makes mistakes, including herself,  but one must                                                               
learn from those mistakes and not make them again and again.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:56:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR said  bringing up  these issues  gets back  to her                                                               
earlier question about Mr. Johnstone  being an asset or liability                                                               
in coming back to the board.   She said the opinion piece read by                                                               
Chair Stutes really  strikes her because it is  important to have                                                               
balance.   While she can  appreciate Mr.  Johnstone's recognition                                                               
that times  have changed,  she can  think of  how to  write about                                                               
this very same issue but with  a totally different point of view,                                                               
such  as   looking  at  things   like  climate   change,  warming                                                               
temperatures, ocean  acidification, illegal harvest  from foreign                                                               
vessels, all  of which are also  influencing what is going  on in                                                               
the commercial industry  and what is happening with  prices.  She                                                               
is concerned that this piece pushes  it because she has heard one                                                               
line of thinking  that seems consistent with  the suggestion that                                                               
the commercial  industry is going  to go  away and the  future is                                                               
going to be  more personal use and subsistence.   It troubles her                                                               
that this language seems foundational  to that philosophy and, in                                                               
her mind,  misses a lot  of the  potential reasons for  stress on                                                               
commercial  or other  fisheries,  but  more importantly  wouldn't                                                               
ensure that that  diverse viewpoint was fairly  represented.  She                                                               
asked whether Mr. Johnstone has any comments in this regard.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE replied  he appreciates  Co-Chair Tarr's  comments                                                               
and can understand where she is  coming from.  He reiterated that                                                               
the  opinion piece  was intended  to  be provocative  and he  has                                                               
nothing  against the  commercial fishing  industry.   He said  he                                                               
stands by those comments.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  noted commercial  fishing is  critically important                                                               
to  Alaska's  coastal  communities  and that  sport  fishing  and                                                               
personal use are  also important.  She asked Mr.  Johnstone if he                                                               
can see  how someone in  her position can interpret  his writings                                                               
as  a bias  against  commercial fishing  and  therefore can  give                                                               
pause to someone in her position.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  responded he could see  it a little bit.   He said                                                               
his intentions have always been  to maximize the economic benefit                                                               
of  all of  Alaska's fisheries,  from the  viewpoints of  putting                                                               
money in one's pocket or putting  fish on one's table or in one's                                                               
freezer.  That will be his  plan going forward and has nothing to                                                               
do with  being for or  against commercial  fisheries.  It  is for                                                               
the  resource and  what benefits  Alaskans  most.   He sees  some                                                               
changes in  circumstances that  may warrant  looking at  things a                                                               
little  differently  and he  would  like  to see  the  commercial                                                               
fishing  industry become  more innovative.   He  is for  creating                                                               
commercial fisheries, not getting rid of them.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR remarked  it is  important  that a  person on  the                                                               
board be looking  comprehensively at these issues.   In her mind,                                                               
she  continued,  a   lot  of  these  challenges   are  much  more                                                               
environmental pressures  than other things.   She wants  to think                                                               
the  board wouldn't  be  too closed-minded  about  some of  these                                                               
pressures and is looking at it comprehensively.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE  agreed  and  stated  he  wishes  there  was  more                                                               
information about  environmental issues  affecting fish,  but the                                                               
Board of Fisheries  doesn't deal in that so much.   The board has                                                               
a certain  role set forth by  statute and deals with  the hand it                                                               
is given.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:01:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  noted  Mr.  Johnstone's  statement  about                                                               
developing  new commercial  fisheries.   She further  noted there                                                               
has been much dialogue that  perhaps Alaska already has a segment                                                               
that is  called sport fishing  but there is a  commercial element                                                               
to  it and  the  idea of  developing guided  sport  fishing as  a                                                               
separate  commercial category.    She  requested Mr.  Johnstone's                                                               
perspective in this regard.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE answered  that there  is  definitely a  commercial                                                               
aspect to  guided sport  fishing; some  regulations are  in place                                                               
and  maybe  someday  there will  be  a  comprehensive  regulatory                                                               
process for  guides.  He clarified  that when he said  he was for                                                               
developing  commercial fisheries  he was  referring to  fisheries                                                               
such as  the Aleutians cod fishery,  the pot cod fishery  that he                                                               
spearheaded to create  a state waters fishery.   Instead of using                                                               
federal regulations,  state regulations  would be used  and would                                                               
allow small  coastal village  vessels to participate  in it.   He                                                               
said Representative Hannan raises  an interesting point about the                                                               
commercial aspect of guides.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:02:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE surmised  Mr.  Johnstone  is not  surprised                                                               
that his appointment  is one of contention in her  district.  She                                                               
requested  Mr.  Johnstone's  opinion  about  the  future  of  the                                                               
fishery in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  replied the fishery  is pretty healthy  in general                                                               
and  has  been  managed  pretty  well by  the  state.    He  said                                                               
escapement  goals are  used for  those fisheries;  sometimes they                                                               
are  achieved, sometimes  they are  low, and  sometimes they  are                                                               
high.  There  is a much competition for the  resource.  The major                                                               
population of Southcentral  Alaska now has pretty  good access to                                                               
the  Kenai, and  in some  cases,   they are  unable to  find fish                                                               
unless they go to the Kenai,  so there is competition and that is                                                               
really  hard on  the commercial  fisheries.   To  some extent  it                                                               
could  be  considered  unfair because  [commercial  fishers]  are                                                               
giving up the  share of the pie/resource to others  who now think                                                               
they  should  have  a  reasonable   opportunity  at  this  common                                                               
property resource.   With a  mixed stock fishery,  escapement for                                                               
all species  must be  ensured and  sometimes it  is going  to cut                                                               
back on  the major  harvester, which  is the  commercial fishing,                                                               
and sometimes it is  going to cut back on the  others in order to                                                               
achieve escapement goals.  It is  very challenging and so far, it                                                               
has been the  commercial sector that has had to  give up the fish                                                               
in order  to accommodate  increasing uses  from the  users, which                                                               
may seem unfair and he can sympathize.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:05:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES related  that a number of people  have contacted her                                                               
office  about Mr.  Johnstone's appointment,  but have  refused to                                                               
comment in writing  for fear of retribution due to  their view of                                                               
Mr. Johnstone  as vindictive based on  their personal experiences                                                               
of him as  a past board member.  However,  she continued, she did                                                               
get one  email today in writing.   She read aloud  from a portion                                                               
of  the  email:   "Karl  personally  tried  to pressure  me  into                                                               
accepting KRSA's Board of Fish  proposal, saying that if I didn't                                                               
his friends  would put my  family out  of business.   I witnessed                                                               
and heard  firsthand from Board  of Fish members,  F&G employees,                                                               
and  journalists   who  Mr.  Johnstone  openly   threatened  with                                                               
retribution when  they opposed  his wishes."   She  requested Mr.                                                               
Johnstone to respond.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  responded it  is inaccurate and  untrue.   He said                                                               
that is  the best he  can do because  he doesn't know  whom Chair                                                               
Stutes is talking about and he doesn't know the circumstances.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES stated she would be  more open if she had heard that                                                               
from only one or two people.   With that being said, she inquired                                                               
whether Mr. Johnstone attends the Kenai River Classics.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE answered  he hasn't been to the classic  for six or                                                               
seven years.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES  asked  whether  Mr.  Johnstone  had  gone  to  the                                                               
classics in the past.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  replied he  did, and he  attended the  dinner when                                                               
all of the  legislators showed up, but he did  not participate in                                                               
the fishery  and he  paid for  the dinner.   He checked  with the                                                               
Boards Support Section and the ethics  and was told he should pay                                                               
for it, which he did, and he left after the dinner.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  further asked  whether Mr.  Johnstone paid  all the                                                               
other expenses associated with that.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE responded he isn't  sure what Chair Stutes means by                                                               
that.  He  said he drove a  car from Anchorage to  Kenai and back                                                               
and paid for the gasoline and the car.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:07:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR  referenced  Mr.   Johnstone's  referral  to  more                                                               
Anchorage and Southcentral users.   She offered her understanding                                                               
that the commercial  fisheries were set up before  there were the                                                               
number  of individual  users and  it has  possibly been  that the                                                               
commercial  harvest has  been cut  short  to allow  more for  the                                                               
personal use folks.  She noted  there is a "permit buyback bill,"                                                               
which she  isn't in  disagreement with  because it  would relieve                                                               
pressure.   She said  it sounds like  Mr. Johnstone  supports the                                                               
idea  going forward  that there  needs to  be a  move toward  the                                                               
increased personal  use user group  and away from  commercial for                                                               
Upper Cook  Inlet.  She asked  whether that is how  Mr. Johnstone                                                               
wants it to sound.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  replied salmon is  a common property  resource and                                                               
everybody in  the state has  the certain right to  an opportunity                                                               
if  more  than   lip  service  is  going  to  be   given  to  the                                                               
constitution, which  says the resource  is to be managed  for the                                                               
maximum benefit of  Alaskans.  He noted the  personal use fishery                                                               
has been  adopted.  There are  more people who want  to fish with                                                               
rod  and reel  and  about  the same  number  of  people who  have                                                               
permits,  and he  is all  for managing  the fishery  in the  best                                                               
interest of  all Alaskans and  not a  particular user group.   He                                                               
said some consolidation of the  drift fleet, and particularly the                                                               
setnet fleet, where the number of  permits and the number of gear                                                               
in the water  is reduced, would provide a  better opportunity for                                                               
those remaining  to harvest a greater  number of fish.   While he                                                               
isn't sure how that is going to  work out, a buyback of some sort                                                               
is  certainly worth  considering.   [Alaska's] population  is now                                                               
almost  800,000 with  400,000 living  in  the Southcentral  area,                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna Valley,  and Anchorage, which is  far different                                                               
than 50-60 years ago when 100,000 lived there.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR  offered  her  appreciation  for  Mr.  Johnstone's                                                               
answer  and said  there is  no denying  that the  numbers put  on                                                               
pressure.   She surmised  the permit  buyback would  come through                                                               
the Commercial  Fisheries Entry  Commission (CFEC)  and therefore                                                               
not a direct Board of Fisheries  decision.  She asked whether Mr.                                                               
Johnstone could confirm  or commit that those who  lose out would                                                               
be  made whole  in  the process  so there  is  some fairness  and                                                               
equity and not a situation of one group over the others.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE offered  his assurance that he  would favor exactly                                                               
that.   He said he would  favor:  a consolidation,  that somebody                                                               
doesn't get  erased and is  compensated, and anything  that would                                                               
make it more  beneficial for the remaining fishers.   Currently a                                                               
lot of fishers  are dividing up a finite amount  of salmon and if                                                               
gear could  be taken out of  the water and permits  taken out, it                                                               
would benefit everybody that remains.   He is all for that and is                                                               
all in favor of compensating them.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:12:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES asked  Mr. Johnstone for his views  on hatcheries in                                                               
the state of Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE responded that clearly  hatcheries provide a robust                                                               
economic benefit  and, in his  opinion, will be around  for years                                                               
to  come.   In his  opinion,  there is  insufficient science  and                                                               
information to  say hatcheries  are harming  wild stocks  at this                                                               
time.   He was gratified  to see the  way the Board  of Fisheries                                                               
looked  at the  issues  and  put in  place  a  process to  review                                                               
hatchery performance on a regular  basis.  That was the intention                                                               
from  the  beginning, but  those  hatchery  meetings didn't  take                                                               
place.   He  is  not  against hatcheries  that  produce a  common                                                               
property resource  that benefits  the commercial sector,  so long                                                               
as they do  not impact wild stocks, and the  science is not there                                                               
to come to that conclusion yet and may never be.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:13:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK observed  that the  Supreme Court  of Alaska                                                               
reprimand  was  in  the  committee  packet.    He  requested  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone to share what the  process was, the recommendation, and                                                               
what process it was that he did not follow.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE answered  that he helped put in place  a hiring and                                                               
recruitment process  for the coroner.   He wasn't  satisfied with                                                               
the  outcome, he  continued, so  he  talked to  his boss,  [Chief                                                               
Justice Moore], and  told him he planned on  looking for somebody                                                               
else.   The chief justice  recommended a person, and,  because he                                                               
wanted to  get a  coroner quickly,  he went  to the  officials he                                                               
worked with and asked them about this.   A couple of them said it                                                               
wouldn't look  good and urged that  he not go ahead  with getting                                                               
someone in  a hurry.   They gave him  good advice, but  he didn't                                                               
follow it.   He hired as  the coroner this particular  person who                                                               
he thought  was very qualified  because he was a  former attorney                                                               
general, former U.S. attorney, former  city attorney for a mayor,                                                               
a legislator,  and a  well-known lawyer.   This  raised a  lot of                                                               
complaints and  a complaint  was made  to the  Judges Commission,                                                               
which  held a  hearing and  he  was ultimately  reprimanded.   He                                                               
allowed he  was wrong and  made a mistake  and said he  was sorry                                                               
for it then and is still sorry for it.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  opined that  process and judgment  are being                                                               
talked about  here, and in  particular judgment  by a judge.   He                                                               
observed the  following from  the reprimand:   Mr.  Johnstone was                                                               
appointing a new  coroner and there was a  process for appointing                                                               
a  new coroner;  A person  working  for Mr.  Johnstone, the  area                                                               
court  administrator, came  up with  a  process, advertised,  and                                                               
laid out  the conditions  of that; Once  the filing  deadline was                                                               
closed and  interviews had taken  place, Mr. Johnstone  chose not                                                               
to  select  any of  the  candidates  and closed  this  particular                                                               
process; Letters were  sent to the applicants  saying there would                                                               
be a subsequent  selection process, which was  never spelled out;                                                               
Interviews were  opened again and  Mr. Johnstone's  own committee                                                               
ranked Mr.  Richard McVeigh very  low; Mr.  Johnstone disregarded                                                               
the committee's  ranking and offered  employment to  Mr. McVeigh,                                                               
who was a friend of another  judge; and Mr. Johnstone offered Mr.                                                               
McVeigh  a position  that  was on  a  temporary permanent  basis.                                                               
Representative  Tuck argued  that there  is  no such  thing as  a                                                               
temporary permanent basis, it is  either going to be part-time or                                                               
full-time  temporary, or  part-time or  full-time permanent.   He                                                               
said  it  looked like  Mr.  Johnstone  did  this so  Mr.  McVeigh                                                               
wouldn't  lose  his  retirement benefits  while  working  as  the                                                               
coroner.   Representative  Tuck said  he has  a problem  with Mr.                                                               
Johnstone saying  that this was  a small accident,  oversight, or                                                               
mistake when  as a judge  Mr. Johnstone is determining  right and                                                               
wrong with  the law.  He  said judges shouldn't be  above the law                                                               
either.  He  noted Mr. Johnstone had counsel  from many different                                                               
people and  a process  was in place.   Representative  Tuck asked                                                               
how the committee could have  confidence in knowing Mr. Johnstone                                                               
would maintain any type of process  on the Board of Fisheries and                                                               
not just give the committee lip service to the law.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE  replied he  could  not  argue  with much  of  the                                                               
aforementioned.  He  said he didn't mean to minimize  it and call                                                               
it a  small error  or mistake  as he  considers it  a significant                                                               
mistake and that he  did the wrong thing 25 years ago.   If it is                                                               
to be held  against him, then so  be it; there isn't  much he can                                                               
do about  and he is  still proud of  his public service.   Judges                                                               
sometimes make mistakes  on the law and the Court  of Appeals and                                                               
Supreme  Court are  devoted to  that  very possibility.   He  was                                                               
wrong  in the  hiring and  cannot argue  with the  aforementioned                                                               
facts and he takes responsibility.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:19:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES returned  to the  topic of  Mr. Johnstone  having a                                                               
hotel  room  while  attending  Board  of  Fisheries  meetings  in                                                               
Anchorage.   She  inquired  whether Mr.  Johnstone  had said  the                                                               
Board of Fisheries had suggested  it, as opposed to Mr. Johnstone                                                               
requesting it.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE responded no, it was  when he asked the question of                                                               
what the policy  is and was told  by a staff member  of the Board                                                               
of Fisheries that  the board would prefer he  attend the meetings                                                               
and stay  in the hotel close  to the meetings because  of all the                                                               
nightly  meetings  and  get-togethers  and  the  meeting  of  the                                                               
stakeholders  in the  mornings.   He recalled  that he  had said,                                                               
 Fair enough,"  and he stayed  [in the  hotel] in Anchorage.   He                                                               
found  out that  the board's  executive director  is the  one who                                                               
applied for  the waiver  and that  it was  issued for  the reason                                                               
given.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES  surmised  Mr.  Johnstone  generated  the  original                                                               
request.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  answered he didn't  request it, he asked  what the                                                               
policy was  and was told that  in the past they  had waived these                                                               
things and  they wanted him  to attend  the meetings and  stay in                                                               
the  hotel, so  he told  them he  would do  that.   He found  out                                                               
subsequently  that these  were  requests that  were  made by  the                                                               
executive director of the Boards  Support Section to the director                                                               
of  the Division  of Administrative  Services.   He  did what  he                                                               
thought he was supposed to do.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:21:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  inquired whether there were  other members                                                               
of the Board  of Fisheries at the time Mr.  Johnstone was staying                                                               
at the  Hotel Captain Cook  who were also residents  of Anchorage                                                               
and who also stayed at the hotel versus their own homes.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  replied there were  no other members on  the board                                                               
who were from Anchorage.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN noted that  Mr. Johnstone donated $1,000 to                                                               
the Dunleavy for Governor Political  Action Committee (PAC).  She                                                               
asked  whether   that  is  Mr.  Johnstone's   standard  level  of                                                               
political  donations made  to  candidates or  whether  he was  an                                                               
enthusiastic supporter of the governor.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE responded  he was an enthusiastic  supporter of the                                                               
governor and is  not ashamed of giving that money  to support his                                                               
candidacy.  He  said he sometimes supports  other candidates, but                                                               
this time he chose to put his support behind Governor Dunleavy.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  inquired whether a $1,000  donation is Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's typical donation.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  answered it was  a donation to  a PAC.   He stated                                                               
his  typical donation  to other  people running  for office  runs                                                               
between $200  and $500, with  $500 the maximum he  can contribute                                                               
under Alaska law to a campaign itself as opposed to a PAC.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:23:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES inquired  whether Mr.  Johnstone thought  that that                                                               
could be a perceived impropriety.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  replied not at  all, he is entitled  to contribute                                                               
to a campaign of  someone he thinks will do a good  job.  He said                                                               
he imagines  he isn't the only  one and doesn't think  any of the                                                               
others would  consider it an  improper activity because a  lot of                                                               
people contribute  money to a  candidate, and he doesn't  see the                                                               
harm in that.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES   requested  Mr.  Johnstone's  thoughts   on  board                                                               
generated proposals for the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE responded  that board  generated proposals  have a                                                               
place in  the Board of Fisheries  process.  He stated  that while                                                               
he was chair, he proposed  a policy on board generated proposals,                                                               
which he doesn't  have in front of him, but  which was adopted by                                                               
the board.   It set  forth some  sideboards - certain  findings -                                                               
before a proposal could be  generated.  While he doesn't remember                                                               
what they were,  it was along the  lines of:  there  was no other                                                               
way  to  address it,  it  needed  to  be  addressed in  a  timely                                                               
fashion, it  had something  to do with  conservation, and  it had                                                               
something to  do with an  error that was  made that could  not be                                                               
addressed through  another process or  the regular cycle.   Board                                                               
generated proposals have  a place; they are not  a substitute for                                                               
some of the things the board does, but play an important role.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:25:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  asked Mr. Johnstone  to explain the  role of                                                               
the  Board of  Fisheries in  selecting the  Alaska Department  of                                                               
Fish and Game commissioner and what the process would be.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE answered  that the Board of Fisheries  and Board of                                                               
Game  meet  together  in  a joint  meeting  after  a  recruitment                                                               
process has  been started and  names have  come in of  people who                                                               
are interested  in the  position.   He said  there is  an initial                                                               
screening and there  are some requirements to begin  with, but he                                                               
isn't familiar with  what they are right now.   Then, when people                                                               
meet  the initial  screening requirements,  the boards  are given                                                               
names and  they are  given the opportunity  to be  interviewed by                                                               
the  boards.   The  boards  must  agree  by  a majority  vote  to                                                               
interview  and then  agree ultimately  to  submit a  name to  the                                                               
governor and then the governor  makes a selection.  Typically the                                                               
governor  has  already made  the  appointment  and typically  the                                                               
governor  knows  the person  that  he  or  she  wants to  be  the                                                               
commissioner.   That  person comes  to the  boards and  generally                                                               
that person  is very  well qualified and  vetted by  the governor                                                               
ahead  of  time and  that  person  gets  forwarded.   Maybe  one,                                                               
sometimes no other candidates, will get forwarded.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  inquired whether  [the boards]  are required                                                               
to interview all candidates for the position.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE  replied no,  [the  boards]  are not  required  to                                                               
interview any  candidate.  He  said an initial threshold  is that                                                               
[the boards] must  decide if they want to  interview a candidate;                                                               
if  they do,  then  they  will, and  then  they  will make  their                                                               
decision.  If  [the boards] decide not to  interview a candidate,                                                               
then that is a deal killer  for that candidate and that candidate                                                               
will not be submitted to the governor.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:27:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE related she  represents all fishermen in her                                                               
district,  whether they  are commercial,  sport, subsistence,  or                                                               
personal use.   She stated she must look at  this objectively and                                                               
not just  about one group over  another.  Many questions  are had                                                               
about Mr.  Johnson's confirmation  and ability  to adhere  to the                                                               
public process and there are  many concerns about Mr. Johnstone's                                                               
influence on the board.  In  taking away one group over the other                                                               
she  must resort  to someone  who will  do no  harm to  any group                                                               
because every group has to have  equity.  She asked Mr. Johnstone                                                               
what skillset  he would  bring to the  board that  would convince                                                               
those who  are questioning  his confirmation that  he would  be a                                                               
positive asset  to the  board regardless  of all  the controversy                                                               
around his appointment.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE responded he would  bring an experience factor that                                                               
he gained  over the years as  a lawyer, judge, and  board member.                                                               
He  said  he  understands  the  process  very  well  now  and  is                                                               
knowledgeable about the fisheries  because he reads the thousands                                                               
of pages that come to board members  prior to a meeting.  When he                                                               
makes an  argument or deliberates, he  does it based on  facts or                                                               
science,  not  emotion.   He  then  applies  the litmus  test  of                                                               
whether it will  be a sustainable fishery as the  fish come first                                                               
in his  opinion.  He also  looks at whether it  is something that                                                               
is consistent with the Alaska  constitution for a common property                                                               
resource that is  to be managed for the benefit  of all Alaskans.                                                               
He does  the best he can  to make the right  decision.  Sometimes                                                               
there  are  winners  and  sometimes   there  are  losers.    When                                                               
allocations must  be decided  somebody is going  to be  happy and                                                               
somebody is going to be unhappy.   As times change and as reasons                                                               
change,  allocations have  changed.    If it  is  wanted to  have                                                               
somebody who  is going  to stay  with what has  been done  in the                                                               
past  and  not  change  in  any way  regardless  of  the  changed                                                               
circumstances,  then  probably he  is  not  the  guy.   He  makes                                                               
decisions based on good facts,  he doesn't discriminate, he calls                                                               
them  as he  sees them,  and he  makes the  best decision  he can                                                               
consistent with what is best for all Alaskans.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:31:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK asked  how many times the  Board of Fisheries                                                               
meets per year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  answered that  the board meets  about five  or six                                                               
times a year  on average.  He explained that  sometimes there are                                                               
emergency petition  meetings and  sometimes a joint  meeting with                                                               
the  North  Pacific Fisheries  Management  Council.   He  further                                                               
explained  that the  board visits  only one  area or  one species                                                               
each  year,  and every  three  years  the  board visits  all  the                                                               
fisheries, so there is a three-year cycle for each fishery.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK offered his  understanding that Mr. Johnstone                                                               
spends a lot of time traveling  outside Alaska.  He asked why Mr.                                                               
Johnstone desires  to serve on  the Board of Fisheries  given the                                                               
commitment for this position.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSTONE replied  the state  has been  good to  him and  he                                                               
wants to  give back.   He  said he has  enjoyed the  resources of                                                               
Alaska and  came from Arizona  to Alaska  in 1967 because  of the                                                               
state's resources.   The fisheries  resource was the  main reason                                                               
he came  to Alaska,  as he likes  to sport fish  and was  an avid                                                               
commercial fisherman.   His wife and children also  like to sport                                                               
fish.  His family does not dipnet.   He wants to ensure that this                                                               
wonderful resource will  be available to future  generations.  He                                                               
likes  the public-driven  process.   It is  controversial because                                                               
hard decisions are being made  and eventually decisions are going                                                               
to be made that affect everybody  in an adverse way.  Some people                                                               
have a  difficult time making decisions,  but he is able  to make                                                               
decisions and his  background suggests he can  make decisions and                                                               
make hard decisions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:33:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  opened public testimony  on all four  appointees to                                                               
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:34:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RON   SOMERVILLE,  Secretary/Treasurer,   Territorial  Sportsmen,                                                               
testified  in  support of  the  confirmations  of Israel  Payton,                                                               
Gerad  Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van  Dort,  and  Karl  Johnstone,                                                               
appointees to the  Board of Fisheries.  He  said his organization                                                               
supports the  commercial fisheries and  has worked hard  with all                                                               
of the  commercial fisheries groups.   His group would  also like                                                               
to  say  that the  common  property  resources available  to  the                                                               
general public are  being strangled in some cases.   For example,                                                               
something is wrong with the  system when the commercial fisheries                                                               
take 97  percent of the black  cod and the common  property users                                                               
are disallowed from  taking any more than 3 percent.   While some                                                               
people may be controversial, the balance is extremely important.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:35:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BEN   MOHR,   Executive   Director,  Kenai   River   Sportfishing                                                               
Association (KRSA), testified in  support of the confirmations of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees  to the Board  of Fisheries.  He  said KRSA                                                               
works  to  ensure  the long-term  health  and  sustainability  of                                                               
fishery resources  in Alaska.   Part of  KRSA's work  is engaging                                                               
with the Board of Fisheries and  members of KRSA haven't missed a                                                               
meeting in decades.  Each of  the four appointees is supported by                                                               
KRSA  because each  one would  bring to  the board  a variety  of                                                               
experiences  and  perspectives  to managing  Alaska's  fisheries.                                                               
The board makeup is important.   Balanced decisions that come out                                                               
of  the board  process are  made through  healthy tension  on the                                                               
board.   Oftentimes when people  talk about the  commercial seats                                                               
and  the sport  seats  it  is because  people  are talking  about                                                               
balancing the different  user groups that are  represented.  Each                                                               
person  before  the  committee  this evening  and  on  the  board                                                               
represents a variety  of uses.  The commercial  seats often begin                                                               
their comments  by saying they  sport fish  as well.   Folks that                                                               
are  filling sport  fish  seats this  evening  have histories  in                                                               
commercial  fishing.    Mr.  Johnstone  exemplifies  the  healthy                                                               
tension  and diversity  of user  experiences and  the ability  to                                                               
adjudicate different user profiles;  KRSA respects his experience                                                               
and ability to  guide Alaska's fisheries issues  in a responsible                                                               
way.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:37:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REUBEN HANKE testified in support  of the confirmations of Israel                                                               
Payton,  Gerad   Godfrey,  Marit   Carlson-Van  Dort,   and  Karl                                                               
Johnstone,  appointees to  the Board  of Fisheries.   He  said he                                                               
finds  Mr.  Johnstone to  be  one  of  the most  available  board                                                               
members.   During  the  breaks Mr.  Johnstone  walks through  the                                                               
public seating and makes himself  available, which a lot of board                                                               
members don't do.   Mr. Johnstone is very  approachable and takes                                                               
time to talk  to people.  While sitting through  testimony in the                                                               
Senate the  other day  he heard a  lot of  accusations, bullying,                                                               
and  disrespect and  he finds  it interesting  that someone  with                                                               
those qualities would  have been unanimously voted  by that board                                                               
into the chair position three times.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:39:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FORREST  BRADEN, Southeast  Alaska  Guides Organization  (SEAGO),                                                               
testified  in  support of  the  confirmations  of Israel  Payton,                                                               
Gerad  Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van  Dort,  and  Karl  Johnstone,                                                               
appointees to  the Board  of Fisheries.   He  read aloud  from an                                                               
opinion editorial written by Mr.  Johnstone in 2016:  "Management                                                               
and  policy  decisions  should  be  made  based  on  science  and                                                               
economics,  not  politics.    Nobody  is  going  away;  all  have                                                               
legitimate concerns.  Significant economic  value is at stake, it                                                               
is time to  go back to work.   We must team  with the legislature                                                               
and the  Board of Fish  in a productive and  constructive manner,                                                               
agreeing  on  what  is  essential to  sustain  the  resource  and                                                               
determining the needs  of others versus wants."   Mr. Braden said                                                               
it  is critical  for SEAGO,  the  people it  represents, and  the                                                               
families   and  communities   that  are   represented  by   those                                                               
businesses, that there be fair  and even handed representation on                                                               
the  Board of  Fisheries.    It is  SEAGO's  experience that  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone has  been fair.   Mr. Johnstone hasn't always  come out                                                               
in favor  of SEAGO's agenda and  isn't a blind follower  of sport                                                               
fish.  A lot of positive  and very little negative was said about                                                               
Mr. Johnstone during his 2012 confirmation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:41:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM L. MACKAY,  testified in support of  the confirmations of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees  to the Board  of Fisheries.  He  stated he                                                               
has known  Mr. Johnstone  for 30  years, both  professionally and                                                               
personally,  and  has always  found  him  to  be  a man  of  high                                                               
integrity.  Bringing Mr. Johnstone back  to the board would be an                                                               
excellent thing to do.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:42:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANCES  LEACH, Executive  Director, United  Fishermen of  Alaska                                                               
(UFA),  testified  in  opposition  to the  confirmation  of  Karl                                                               
Johnstone and in  support of the confirmations  of Israel Payton,                                                               
Gerad  Godfrey, and  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort,  appointees to  the                                                               
Board of  Fisheries.  She  said that  in looking at  who supports                                                               
and who opposes  Mr. Johnstone's appointment it would  be easy to                                                               
conclude that  it is  commercial against  sport.   However, UFA's                                                               
opposition  to  Mr.   Johnstone  has  nothing  to   do  with  his                                                               
representing sport  fishermen.  It  has to do with  his blatantly                                                               
biased  conduct and  lack  of transparency  as  a previous  board                                                               
member.    It  isn't  about  UFA  not  wanting  a  sport  fishing                                                               
representative on  the board; if  it were, UFA would  be opposing                                                               
the other ones that are being  appointed.  In his 2017 op-ed, Mr.                                                               
Johnstone referred to the commercial  fisheries as old and faded.                                                               
Commercial  fishing  taxes  contributed   $78.3  million  to  the                                                               
state's general  fund in 2018,  a 19 percent increase  from 2017.                                                               
The commercial  fishing industry is  anything but old  and fading                                                               
and to suggest  otherwise shows a deep lack  of understanding and                                                               
respect for  the industry's  contributions to  the state.   These                                                               
fish  wars  will never  end  if  people  like Mr.  Johnstone  are                                                               
confirmed and allowed to perpetuate  their biases and not be open                                                               
to conversations with all user  groups concerning Alaska's shared                                                               
resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:44:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LARS STANGELAND  testified in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board  of Fisheries.  He said he                                                               
has been involved  in commercial fishing in Alaska  for 48 years.                                                               
He has  been involved in  the Board  of Fisheries process  and at                                                               
those  meetings he  has had  an opportunity  to speak  with board                                                               
members who,  in his opinion,  were approachable,  objective, and                                                               
adhered to  the directives of  the process.   On the  other hand,                                                               
Mr.  Johnstone's  well-documented  bias  against  the  commercial                                                               
sector and his  unwillingness to interact with  stakeholders is a                                                               
direct conflict with  that process.  It is a  public process, and                                                               
a good process, and a process that must stay intact.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:45:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK VINSEL testified  in opposition to the  confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee to the Board of  Fisheries.  He stated he is                                                               
a  roadside  sport fisherman  and  that  Juneau has  great  sport                                                               
fisheries for  salmon largely because of  cooperation between the                                                               
sport and commercial sectors.   The Douglas Island Pink and Chum,                                                               
Inc. (DIPAC)  hatchery provides a  lot of sport fishing  for king                                                               
and  coho  salmon.   The  Board  of  Fisheries relies  on  public                                                               
process and it is a great  public process that relies on science-                                                               
minded board members  who are there for the public  service.  The                                                               
concept of  pitting user groups  against each other that  is seen                                                               
throughout  this  whole  thing  is  the wrong  way  to  work  for                                                               
Alaska's  fisheries.    It  is  the  road  to  losing  all  these                                                               
fisheries and  it is on  that basis  that he urges  Mr. Johnstone                                                               
not be confirmed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:47:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHY  HANSEN, Executive  Director, Southeast  Alaska Fishermen's                                                               
Alliance (SEAFA), testified in opposition  to the confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the  Board of Fisheries.  She stated                                                               
SEAFA  is  a  multi-gear, multi-species  organization  mainly  in                                                               
Southeast Alaska,  although it also includes  long-line fisheries                                                               
throughout the Gulf of Alaska.   She said SEAFA has not found Mr.                                                               
Johnstone approachable at  meetings.  She has been  told that one                                                               
time  when she  arranged to  have a  meeting with  Mr. Johnstone,                                                               
SEAFA's    regular   written    testimony   (indisc.        audio                                                               
difficulties).  For example, SEAFA  writes many proposals because                                                               
it is a  multi-gear group and, expecting the  opportunity to talk                                                               
to  members,  she  doesn't  always   put  everything  in  SEAFA's                                                               
comments.    So it  is  very  discouraging  when a  board  member                                                               
refuses  to  spend  time  talking because  he  read  the  group's                                                               
testimony.    Another  example is  when  the  commercial  fishing                                                               
industry brought  up the declining sablefish  resource in Chatham                                                               
Strait.  This resource had been  on decline for several years and                                                               
there was  a growing new user  group.  Reporting and  some limits                                                               
were asked  for by SEAFA so  that the two could  be balanced out,                                                               
but Mr. Johnstone told her that  as long as there is a commercial                                                               
fishery there  is no  conservation issue, which  she finds  to be                                                               
anti-commercial bias.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:49:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY  BUSHKE  testified in  support  of  the confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to  the Board of Fisheries.   He stated Mr.                                                               
Johnstone  would manage  for  the benefit  of  all, has  Alaskans                                                               
first,  exudes  confidence,  knowledge,  trust,  commitment,  and                                                               
fairness, and displays integrity.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:50:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK   DERRICK,  President,   Chitina  Dipnetters   Association,                                                               
testified  in  support of  the  confirmations  of Israel  Payton,                                                               
Gerad  Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van  Dort,  and  Karl  Johnstone,                                                               
appointees to the  Board of Fisheries.  He  recounted that during                                                               
the  Senate Resources  Standing  Committee's  Board of  Fisheries                                                               
confirmation  hearing last  week several  members of  the Cordova                                                               
commercial  fleet  took  it  as  an  opportunity  to  berate  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone  for his  past performance  as  chair of  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries,   and  specifically   for  passage   of  the   Chitina                                                               
Dipnetters  Association's proposal  to  increase  the salmon  bag                                                               
limit for  its fishery.   He said he  applauds the 2014  Board of                                                               
Fisheries,  with  Mr.  Johnstone  as chair,  for  approving  this                                                               
proposal.   The proposal was  supported by ADF&G for  its ability                                                               
to  sync the  bag limits  of the  Southcentral personal  use (PU)                                                               
dipnet fishery  with the Chitina  PU dipnet  fishery, eliminating                                                               
confusion  for dipnetters  to  partake in  either  fishery.   The                                                               
Cordova commercial fleet  chose this proposal as  their reason to                                                               
not confirm Mr. Johnstone.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:52:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHIP  TREINEN, testified  in opposition  to  the confirmation  of                                                               
Karl  Johnstone,  appointee  to  the  Board  of  Fisheries.    He                                                               
recalled  Mr.  Johnstone's  testimony   claiming  to  be  a  good                                                               
advocate  and   agreed  with  Mr.   Johnstone's  self-assessment.                                                               
However,  he continued,  he  is a  commercial  fisherman and  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone comes  with an  agenda and that  agenda does  not favor                                                               
commercial fishermen.  He urged Mr. Johnstone not be confirmed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:53:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARVIN  PETERS, testified  in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Karl  Johnstone and  in support  of the  confirmations of  Israel                                                               
Payton, Gerad Godfrey, and Marit  Carlson-Van Dort, appointees to                                                               
the Board of  Fisheries.  He said he has  35 years' experience in                                                               
the advisory committee systems.  He  has seen and dealt with many                                                               
board members, probably every one  of which was more conducive to                                                               
argument and  evidence than Mr.  Johnstone, but he has  never run                                                               
across a  board member who  could bully a meeting  and intimidate                                                               
other members quite  the way Mr. Johnstone could.   Mr. Johnstone                                                               
was a terrible board member.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:55:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROSELEEN MOORE,  testified in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone,  appointee to the  Board of Fisheries.   She said                                                               
Mr. Johnstone is  very biased against commercial  fishermen.  She                                                               
grew up  on a  setnet site in  False Pass and  spent 35  years at                                                               
Bristol  Bay.   Her family  owns a  boatyard in  Homer and  their                                                               
livelihood along with the people  of rural coastal Alaska depends                                                               
on  commercial  fishing.    Commercial  fishing  is  the  largest                                                               
employer in  the state and that  needs to be considered,  but Mr.                                                               
Johnstone isn't willing to consider that.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:55:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRED STAGER, testified in opposition  to the confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee to  the Board of Fisheries.  He  said he has                                                               
spent  34 years  as a  commercial salmon  seiner and  resident of                                                               
Kodiak Island.   In his time he has seen  a combination of market                                                               
forces  and  Board  of  Fisheries   decisions  cut  in  half  the                                                               
participation in his salmon seine  fishery.  He stated his belief                                                               
that  Mr.  Johnstone  believes  this   is  a  good  start.    Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's  patronizing, thinly  veiled contempt  for commercial                                                               
fishermen,  and  his  work   towards  eliminating  them  whenever                                                               
possible,  make  his  confirmation  unfair, ill  advised,  and  a                                                               
danger to  commercial fisheries throughout  the state and  in the                                                               
community of Kodiak in particular.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:56:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SALUA  STAGER, testified  in opposition  to  the confirmation  of                                                               
Karl Johnstone,  appointee to the  Board of Fisheries.   She said                                                               
she was  raised on  Whale Island  outside of  Kodiak, is  a third                                                               
generation  commercial  fisher,  and  has a  lifetime  of  Kodiak                                                               
commercial fishing experience.   Currently, she is  well into her                                                               
second career as a health care  worker and is seeing the negative                                                               
side effects  of the  reduced fishing  opportunity for  the small                                                               
boat fleet  and effects on  the community of drugs,  alcohol, and                                                               
suicide going up.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:57:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JULIE  DOLL, testified  in support  of the  confirmation of  Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee  to the Board  of Fisheries.  She  noted she                                                               
is with  the Chitina Dipnetters  Association, the  Alaska Outdoor                                                               
Council,  and the  Tanana Valley  Sportsmen's  Association.   She                                                               
said Mr.  Johnstone's past  Board of  Fisheries actions  prove he                                                               
will  provide  balance and  fairness  to  the  board.   Board  of                                                               
Fisheries meetings may  last a week or more and  personal use and                                                               
sport proposals  are usually addressed  first.   Often commercial                                                               
interests  would wait  until the  end of  a meeting  to call  for                                                               
reconsideration  of an  approved personal  use or  sport proposal                                                               
after  the sport  and personal  use representatives  had returned                                                               
home, leaving no  one to defend the original passage.   Under his                                                               
chairmanship,  Mr. Johnstone  amended this  procedure to  place a                                                               
24-hour limit  for reconsideration  after passage of  a proposal,                                                               
giving user groups a security  that days later their work getting                                                               
a proposal passed could not be jeopardized.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:58:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL  UMPHENOUR, Fairbanks  Fish and  Game Advisory  Committee,                                                               
testified  in  support of  the  confirmations  of Israel  Payton,                                                               
Gerad  Godfrey,  Marit  Carlson-Van  Dort,  and  Karl  Johnstone,                                                               
appointees  to the  Board  of  Fisheries.   He  related that  the                                                               
advisory committee  met on 4/10/19 and  unanimously supported all                                                               
of the governor's appointees.  He  noted he served three terms on                                                               
the Board of  Fisheries and stated that the  same people opposing                                                               
Mr.  Johnstone opposed  him.   These  people don't  like the  old                                                               
Marine  Corps adage  of five  Ps    prior planning  prevents poor                                                               
performance.   They do  not want an  effective board  member that                                                               
believes in  the constitution, the statutes,  and the regulations                                                               
and in applying them in a fair and even manner.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:00:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NORMAN VAN  VACTOR testified  in support  of the  confirmation of                                                               
Israel Payton  and in  opposition to  the confirmations  of Marit                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort and  Karl Johnstone, appointees to  the Board of                                                               
Fisheries.  He said  he has long been able to say  he is proud of                                                               
the  way  the State  of  Alaska  has  gone about  overseeing  and                                                               
ultimately managing  its vast  and incredible  seafood resources.                                                               
Alaska's   previous   governors   saw   the   value   in   having                                                               
representation  from   diverse  user  groups  as   well  as  from                                                               
different competing regions.  While  not perfect, it has provided                                                               
for a  balance of views and  a public process that  has been open                                                               
and fair.  He is concerned,  however, that in one fell swoop with                                                               
a few  of these  appointments Governor  Dunleavy will  upend what                                                               
has been a  fair and equitable system.  Mr.  Payton is passionate                                                               
about  sport  fishing,  but  is open  and  inquisitive  and  very                                                               
knowledgeable about subsistence and  commercial interests and for                                                               
that  reason  he  supports  Mr.  Payton's  re-appointment.    Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's biases  are well known  from the track record  of his                                                               
previous  tenure on  the  board and  he  opposes Mr.  Johnstone's                                                               
nomination.   He also opposes Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort's nomination.                                                               
If  Mr. Johnstone  and Ms.  Carlson-Van  Dort's nominations  move                                                               
forward, the  board will  lose much  credibility in  rural Alaska                                                               
fishing communities.   "Do we really  want the fish wars  of Cook                                                               
Inlet  to now  taint  the  rivers and  streams  of  the likes  of                                                               
Bristol Bay?"  he asked.  He  requested the committee to  do what                                                               
is right for Alaska and its fisheries.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:01:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIELLE RINGER,  testified in opposition to  the confirmation of                                                               
Karl  Johnstone and  in  support of  the  confirmation of  Israel                                                               
Payton, appointees to the Board of  Fisheries.  She noted she and                                                               
her husband  run a  commercial fishing operation.   She  said Mr.                                                               
Johnstone has been discriminatory  toward commercial fishermen in                                                               
the   past  and   she  is   concerned  he   will  continue   this                                                               
inappropriately divisive and biased  behavior if appointed again.                                                               
Alaskans  need   and  deserve  a  balanced   board  comprised  of                                                               
individuals who value  the importance of various  fishing ways of                                                               
life in the  state.  Commercial fishing  represents the lifeblood                                                               
of many  communities and families,  and she  would like to  see a                                                               
fisheries  management leader  who recognizes  this, like  nominee                                                               
Israel  Payton.   She  grew up  dipnetting on  the  Kenai and  on                                                               
Kachemak Bay  and truly appreciates  personal use  fisheries, but                                                               
not  at the  hostile expense  of commercial  fishing livelihoods.                                                               
Alaska's relationship  to fish may  look different  for different                                                               
folks throughout  the state by gear  type and user group,  but at                                                               
the core  everyone's values  are very  similar, and  people don't                                                               
need to be  pitted against each other.  Mr.  Johnstone is not the                                                               
appropriate person to be filling a leadership role.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:03:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG  DEHART, testified  in opposition  to  the confirmation  of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board  of Fisheries.  He said he                                                               
owns a salmon  seiner in Kodiak and urged that  Mr. Johnstone not                                                               
be confirmed.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:03:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OLIVER HOLM, testified in opposition  to the confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone,  appointee to  the Board  of Fisheries.   He  said the                                                               
Board of Fisheries  is relied upon to have seven  members who are                                                               
open-minded and have  different perspectives; it is  sort of like                                                               
a court.  For  a former judge to put out an op-ed  in the way Mr.                                                               
Johnstone  did  really  calls into  question  whether  commercial                                                               
fishermen  as rural  residents would  get  a fair  hearing.   Mr.                                                               
Johnstone  is  wrong  about   farmed  salmon  putting  commercial                                                               
fishermen  out of  business.   His  business  survived [past  low                                                               
prices] and now there is a  much better market and the commercial                                                               
industry   is   successfully   competing  with   farmed   salmon.                                                               
Commercial fishermen  put food on  people's tables, and it  is an                                                               
industry that is not likely to go away.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:04:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW  COUCH,  testified  in support  of  the  confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to the Board of  Fisheries.  He noted he is                                                               
a  guide  and  sport  fishing   business  owner.    He  said  the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna Valley,  northern Cook  Inlet, has  more stocks                                                               
of  concern  than  any  area  of the  state.    He  supports  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone because  as chair  of the board  Mr. Johnstone  put the                                                               
stock of concern discussion at the  start of the Upper Cook Inlet                                                               
meeting  because  this  area  was, and  still  is,  having  great                                                               
problems.   That allowed  some decisions to  be made  that helped                                                               
out the  stocks.  At  the northern end  of the inlet  the fishing                                                               
opportunities are  much different  than they  are in  Homer, much                                                               
more restrictive,  and much less harvest  allowed for commercial,                                                               
sport, and personal use, and  some subsistence fishing is limited                                                               
too.  Being on  the board is a balancing act  and members must be                                                               
able to consider different user groups.   Mr. Johnstone is a good                                                               
advocate for sport fishing groups.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:06:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EARL LACKEY, testified in support  of the confirmations of Israel                                                               
Payton,  Gerad   Godfrey,  Marit   Carlson-Van  Dort,   and  Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to the Board of  Fisheries.  He noted he is                                                               
with the  Alaska Outdoor  Council and  Mat-Valley Sportsmen.   He                                                               
said that  if all user  groups are  going to be  represented then                                                               
all four nominations should be accepted.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:07:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REED  MORISKY,  testified  in support  of  the  confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to the Board  of Fisheries.  He stated that                                                               
during Mr.  Johnstone's time on  the board, and in  particular as                                                               
chair, he  proved to  be a  valued mentor  to all  board members.                                                               
Mr.  Johnstone  promoted  and   maintained  amiable  and  cordial                                                               
relationships  with  board  members,   the  department,  and  the                                                               
public.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:08:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROB BOYER,  testified in support  of the confirmations  of Israel                                                               
Payton,  Gerad   Godfrey,  Marit   Carlson-Van  Dort,   and  Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to the Board of  Fisheries.  He said he has                                                               
listened to  Board of  Fisheries meetings  and Mr.  Johnstone was                                                               
articulate and understanding  of the different issues.   He finds                                                               
it  curious  that  all  those   who  opposed  Mr.  Johnstone  are                                                               
commercial fishermen.   He doesn't think Mr.  Johnstone is trying                                                               
to end  commercial fishing in  any way.   In regard  to attacking                                                               
Mr. Johnstone  on an op-ed piece  about one segment, he  said the                                                               
majority  of Alaskans  are those  400,000 in  that area  that use                                                               
that personal  use fishery, as opposed  to a very small  group of                                                               
commercial fishermen  with a  lot of  lobbyists and  money behind                                                               
them and who continually promote  an agenda.  The constituents of                                                               
the committees'  members drive  to the Kenai  River to  find that                                                               
commercial fishing has been open for  two weeks and the fish have                                                               
been  hammered.   The fish  have a  chance once  they get  in the                                                               
river,  but they  don't have  a chance  in the  [commercial] nets                                                               
that have cut  off the whole fishery coming back.   He encouraged                                                               
the committee to confirm all four appointees.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:09:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RAYMOND NESBETT,  Esq., testified in support  of the confirmation                                                               
of  Karl Johnstone,  appointee to  the  Board of  Fisheries.   He                                                               
noted he is an attorney and  a life-long Alaskans with "no dog in                                                               
the  fight"  between  the  commercial  and  recreational  fishery                                                               
interests; he  has participated in  both.  He said  Mr. Johnstone                                                               
demonstrated during his previous board  tenure that he was one of                                                               
the  board's  hardest  working and  most  knowledgeable  members.                                                               
During last  week's Senate Resources Standing  Committee hearing,                                                               
it was  clear that one  user group  is opposing Mr.  Johnstone by                                                               
means of  a well-orchestrated campaign attacking  his motives and                                                               
character,  not his  lack of  competency  and hard  work.   These                                                               
personal attacks  should be rejected.   Attacks on  the messenger                                                               
when one  doesn't like the  message should  have no place  in the                                                               
management of  Alaska's most  important resource.   He  urged the                                                               
committee to do what is right  for the state and the resource and                                                               
confirm Mr. Johnstone's appointment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:11:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN  DOHERTY,  Executive  Director,  Southeast  Alaska  Seiners                                                               
Association,  testified in  opposition  to  the confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone,  appointees to  the Board  of Fisheries.   She  stated                                                               
that Alaska is  bigger than Cook Inlet  and the Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Valley.    There are  fisheries  in  Southeast Alaska,  and  they                                                               
should  not be  controlled by  what is  happening in  Cook Inlet.                                                               
The governor's  [choice of] appointees totally  disregards Robert                                                               
Ruffner who has  exhibited all of the attributes that  a Board of                                                               
Fisheries  member should  have.   She only  has history  with Mr.                                                               
Payton, who  would be  fine if the  other candidates  didn't have                                                               
the same  demonstrated interest  singularly for  subsistence that                                                               
Mr. Payton  has.   Therefore, her association  is opposed  to the                                                               
whole slate  of appointees.   The slate  of candidates  should be                                                               
balanced to represent the entire  state and all of the interests,                                                               
including  Southeast Alaska  and  not only  subsistence and  Cook                                                               
Inlet.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:12:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE MERTISHEV, Board Member,  Kachemak Bay Fisheries Association,                                                               
testified in  opposition to the  confirmation of  Karl Johnstone,                                                               
appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:13:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BURT BOMHOFF  testified in  support of  the confirmation  of Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee to  the Board of Fisheries.  He  said he has                                                               
known Mr. Johnstone  for 45 years, and Mr. Johnstone  is a man of                                                               
integrity,  judgment,  and  fairness, and  whose  history  proves                                                               
that.  While  Mr. Johnstone has a strong personality  that may be                                                               
intimidating for some, he is  always fair.  Mr. Johnstone's court                                                               
service proves  that, as does his  prior service on the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries  where  he  was  unanimously  elected  three  times  as                                                               
chairman.  Mr. Johnstone wouldn't  have been elected chair if the                                                               
other board members didn't trust  his impartiality, judgment, and                                                               
fairness.  Mr.  Johnstone is a great man and  a great addition to                                                               
the board.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:14:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TED CROOKSTON, ,  testified in opposition to  the confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone,  appointee to the  Board of Fisheries.   He cited                                                               
his own experience  with the Board of Fisheries  process and said                                                               
Mr. Johnstone is not the right man  for the job.  There are valid                                                               
reasons for why  this much controversy is being  raised; it isn't                                                               
just the  commercial fishermen  making a fuss  over nothing.   He                                                               
urged that Mr. Johnstone's name not be advanced for a vote.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:15:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLAY BEZENEK testified in opposition  to the confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone and in  support of the confirmations  of Israel Payton,                                                               
Gerad  Godfrey, and  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort,  appointees to  the                                                               
Board of Fisheries.   He said this is his first  time in 37 years                                                               
of  commercial fishing  that he  has  spoken against  a Board  of                                                               
Fisheries  nominee.   Mr. Johnstone  is  a brash  person and  not                                                               
because of  his integrity.   Mr. Johnstone is  against commercial                                                               
fishing and has  not been fair.  He said  the other nominees seem                                                               
to be  pretty good and  workable appointees and he  looks forward                                                               
to participating in the system with them.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:17:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHAWNA  WILLIAMS   BUCHUAN,  testified   in  opposition   to  the                                                               
confirmation  of  Karl  Johnstone,  appointee  to  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.    She stated  that Mr.  Johnstone has already  had an                                                               
opportunity to  serve on the  Board of Fisheries and  during that                                                               
time he proved  to be divisive.  He used  bullying and strong-arm                                                               
tactics  to intimidate  the public,  department staff,  and other                                                               
board members to  further his own agenda.   Mr. Johnstone appears                                                               
to have  no respect for the  process.  She said  that on 4/10/19,                                                               
Mr. Johnstone stated to the  Senate Resources Standing Committee:                                                               
"I suppose  I was  as assertive  as any.   I  think I  was pretty                                                               
effective  in  using my  persuasive  and  my advocacy  skills  in                                                               
getting  people to  come  around to  my way  of  thinking."   She                                                               
maintained that  here he admits  the coercion and  prides himself                                                               
in being aggressively  persuasive.  This is not  conducive to the                                                               
board process, especially  when said person claims to  want to be                                                               
a  mentor to  new [board]  members.   Over the  last week  during                                                               
phone  conversations, she  encountered  five people  who did  not                                                               
want  to  testify  or  come  out on  public  record  against  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone for fear of retribution for doing so.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:18:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIC  SPADE, testified  in support  of the  confirmation of  Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee  to the  Board of Fisheries.   He  said it's                                                               
high  time to  have someone  advocating for  sport fishermen  and                                                               
personal  use.   The board  and ADF&G  have been  wiping out  the                                                               
people in Upper  Cook Inlet.  The total  mismanagement around the                                                               
state is exemplified  in Cook Inlet.  There needs  to be somebody                                                               
on  the  board  who  is  not run  by  the  commercial  fishermen.                                                               
Commercial fishermen  have a stranglehold on  fish allocation and                                                               
that  needs to  be broken  up and  the resources  brought to  the                                                               
people.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:20:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW SZCZESNY testified in support  of the confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone,  appointee to  the Board  of Fisheries.   He  said his                                                               
first Board of Fisheries meeting was  25 years ago and six of the                                                               
seven board  members were commercial  fishermen.  So this  is the                                                               
controversy that is  being heard right now - suddenly  there is a                                                               
little  bit  of balance  and  someone  who  is strong  for  sport                                                               
fishing -  and everybody is  freaked out.   There are  losers and                                                               
there are  winners in every  type of meeting  all the time.   Mr.                                                               
Johnstone is the smartest prepared member  that he has seen in 25                                                               
years.  During his  own 40 years in Alaska there  have been a lot                                                               
of changes in  the state's fisheries and a board  member like Mr.                                                               
Johnstone is needed to take the state into the future.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:21:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE MCCLURE  testified in support  of the confirmation  of Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee  to the  Board of Fisheries.   He  stated he                                                               
has attended  every Board of  Fisheries meeting since 1999.   Mr.                                                               
Johnstone was  the one board member  that he could speak  to, who                                                               
would listen,  who would consider  what he was saying,  who would                                                               
look  at all  other information  before him,  and who  would then                                                               
come to  his own conclusion on  which way to vote  on each issue.                                                               
He  supports Mr.  Johnstone for  looking at  all information  and                                                               
trying to be a fair and reasonable board member.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:21:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  MCGAHAN testified  in opposition  to  the confirmation  of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the  Board of Fisheries.  She stated                                                               
she has  been a commercial drift  fisher and currently she  is an                                                               
Upper Cook  Inlet setnetter and an  enthusiastic sport fisherman.                                                               
When  politicians  are running  for  office,  they almost  always                                                               
agree  that  fisheries should  be  run  by scientific  management                                                               
decisions and not  by political decisions.  However,  there is an                                                               
actual scientist on  the Board of Fisheries who has  not been re-                                                               
appointed and  who lives in the  area most utilized in  the whole                                                               
state, and  that is  Robert Ruffner.   The  governor seems  to be                                                               
abdicating  his responsibility  to  provide a  balanced Board  of                                                               
Fisheries and is instead granting  favors with these appointments                                                               
to campaign insiders  and lobbyists.  Mr. Johnstone  has a record                                                               
from  his previous  tenure  on  the board  and  is absolutely  in                                                               
lockstep with  the Kenai River  Sportfishing Association  and has                                                               
written opinion pieces that verify  this.  Bob Penney, founder of                                                               
the association, was one of  the largest contributors to Governor                                                               
Dunleavy's  campaign.     Committee  members  may   remember  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's  poor  decisions  and heavy-handed  directives  as  a                                                               
Board of Fisheries  member as well as poor  personal decisions in                                                               
taking  per diem  while  returning from  his  place in  Prescott,                                                               
Arizona,  to  stay in  the  hotel  rather  than plowing  his  own                                                               
driveway.   The type of public  servant who does these  things is                                                               
one  who hasn't  been elected  and has  some poor  moral judgment                                                               
problems.  These  appointees may be nice people  in other realms,                                                               
but  with Mr.  Johnstone's appointment  to the  board, commercial                                                               
fishermen in  Upper Cook  Inlet will be  facing another  round of                                                               
punitive,  politically  motivated,  and  financially  devastating                                                               
regulations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:23:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD MCGAHAN  testified in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board  of Fisheries.  He said he                                                               
began fishing  on Salamatof Beach in  1955, is still there  at 82                                                               
years old,  and now  the fifth generation  fishes on  that beach,                                                               
when they can fish.  In 2012 there  was one day of fishing and in                                                               
2018 there was three days.  How  can a person make a living off a                                                               
fishery with  someone running the  board like Mr.  Johnstone, who                                                               
won't even talk to  the public?  A proposal can  be made, it goes                                                               
to the  board in  the afternoon,  that night  the board  works it                                                               
over, and the  next day it is unrecognizable.   He requested that                                                               
Mr. Johnstone be replaced with Mr.  Ruffner so there will be some                                                               
representation for commercial fishermen.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:24:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN  MERRITT, testified  in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board  of Fisheries.  He said he                                                               
is a  commercial fisherman, so  he is one  of the old  and faded.                                                               
When he  started in  the gillnet  fishery 20  years ago,  he paid                                                               
$30,000  for his  permit and  now it  is worth  $90,000.   He was                                                               
getting  11 cents  a pound  for chums  and now  he is  getting 90                                                               
cents, king  salmon was $3  a pound and  this last winter  he got                                                               
$13.   Mr.  Johnstone is  therefore  not as  knowledgeable as  he                                                               
purports to be.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:25:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WINSTON DAVIES,  testified in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee to the Board  of Fisheries.  He said he                                                               
is opposed to Mr. Johnstone's  appointment due to Mr. Johnstone's                                                               
statements about the viability of  commercial fishing and that it                                                               
is dated, and because of  Mr. Johnstone's bias against commercial                                                               
fishing  and  lack  of  transparency.   Mr.  Davies  stated  that                                                               
commercial  fishing  pays  his  bills   so  he  can  sport  fish,                                                               
subsistence fish, and do personal use.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:26:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIMOTHY  MOORE, testified  in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee  to the Board of Fisheries.   He stated                                                               
he  is an  avid  sport  fisherman and  his  family  is active  in                                                               
personal  use  fishing,  but  he   makes  his  living  commercial                                                               
fishing.   He has been a  part of the Board  of Fisheries process                                                               
for over 35 years.  He  urged that Mr. Johnstone not be confirmed                                                               
mainly because in all of  the tough allocation decisions that the                                                               
Board of  Fisheries makes  the science  must be  considered first                                                               
and  he   has  witnessed  Mr.   Johnstone's  disrespect   of  the                                                               
department, which  at times  caused the  meetings to  be stopped.                                                               
If the  department doesn't follow  along with the  decisions that                                                               
Mr. Johnstone sees fit,  he calls them out on it  and that is not                                                               
what is needed for a fair and balanced board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:27:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  HONKOLA testified  in opposition  to  the confirmation  of                                                               
Karl Johnstone,  appointee to  the Board of  Fisheries.   He said                                                               
Mr. Johnstone's  past service and  published opinion  pieces have                                                               
shown bias  favoring sport  fishing and  a lack  of science-based                                                               
decision-making.  The Board of  Fisheries needs to be balanced in                                                               
order to act effectively and  fairly regarding the many proposals                                                               
that can  pit Alaskans and  the various user groups  against each                                                               
other.  Mr. Johnstone's appointment  would tip the ratio of board                                                               
members representing one user group on the board.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:28:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN RENNER, Cordova District  Fishermen United (CDFU), testified                                                               
in opposition  to the confirmation  of Karl  Johnstone, appointee                                                               
to  the Board  of  Fisheries.   He  noted  CDFU  is comprised  of                                                               
multiple  gear  groups     gillnetters,  setnetters,  and  salmon                                                               
seiners.   He said he personally  has been involved in  the Board                                                               
of Fisheries process for over 35  years, many of them as chair of                                                               
a  fish and  game  advisory  committee (AC).    He  has had  many                                                               
dealings with  Mr. Johnstone  and found him  to ask  for opposing                                                               
science  when his  opinion wasn't  justified by  the department's                                                               
science.   He said  the reason  for having to  come up  with some                                                               
parameters  on board  generated proposals  was because  under Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's tenure  the board "went  crazy" with  board generated                                                               
proposals for everything - it  wasn't by choice that the chairman                                                               
did that.   Coastal Alaska depends on these  salmon fisheries and                                                               
is  scared to  death  with  these appointments  to  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.   The  balance will  sway in  the favor  of sport  and                                                               
guided  sport fishing.   This  is a  pressure operation  by Kenai                                                               
River  Sportfishing Association  and hopefully  legislators won't                                                               
let it happen.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:30:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL MICKELSON,  testified in  opposition to  the confirmation                                                               
of  Karl Johnstone,  appointee to  the  Board of  Fisheries.   He                                                               
stated he is  a commercial and subsistence fisherman  who grew up                                                               
working in  his family's  bird watching  and sport  fishing lodge                                                               
near Cordova.   He has been  to every Board of  Fisheries meeting                                                               
for his  region as well  as several statewide meetings  while Mr.                                                               
Johnstone was  on the  board.  He  has witnessed  Mr. Johnstone's                                                               
approach  with  fellow board  members,  the  department, and  the                                                               
public.   Mr. Johnstone was  very forceful at  times, aggressive,                                                               
and blatantly opposed  to the commercial fishery.   Board members                                                               
who  are as  nonpartisan  as possible  are needed.    As a  young                                                               
commercial  fisherman small  business  owner, he  must point  out                                                               
that commercial  fisheries are the  lifeblood of  Coastal Alaska.                                                               
Prince  William  Sound  has  a   rapidly  growing  contingent  of                                                               
fishermen  and women  who are  under 40  and they  have a  vested                                                               
interest in [Alaska's] fisheries  for their generation and future                                                               
generations.   He supports  the Board  of Fisheries  process, but                                                               
Mr. Johnstone has already served.   He urged that room be made on                                                               
the board for qualified Alaska residents.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:31:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHELSEA HAISMAN  testified in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone,  appointee to the  Board of Fisheries.   She said                                                               
she is  a commercial fisherman  in Area  E.  For  full disclosure                                                               
she  noted she  is  the executive  director  of Cordova  District                                                               
Fishermen United,  but is speaking today  on her own behalf  as a                                                               
commercial and  recreational fisher.   She is concerned  with Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's prior history  on the board and  public writings that                                                               
speak  out   against  the  commercial  fishing   industry.    She                                                               
questions Mr.  Johnstone's ability to remain  neutral when making                                                               
difficult allocation decisions.   She is also  concerned that his                                                               
appointment has drawn  a great deal of controversy,  which in and                                                               
of itself  shows Mr. Johnstone's  divisive nature.  To  confirm a                                                               
candidate who is  so divisive, and whose  ethics and transparency                                                               
have  been called  into question  repeatedly over  the years,  is                                                               
shortsighted and erodes  public trust.  Alaskans  deserve a Board                                                               
of Fisheries that  is reflective of a variety of  user groups and                                                               
communities.   While  half  of Alaskan's  residents  live in  the                                                               
Anchorage/Matanuska-Susitna  area, the  other half  lives in  the                                                               
rest  of the  state.   She is  concerned the  board will  be more                                                               
heavily  towards  urban  board  members  residing  in  Anchorage,                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna,  Eagle River,  and Fairbanks  and very  little                                                               
representation from rural Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:33:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  BABIC testified  in opposition  to  the confirmation  of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee  to the Board of Fisheries.   He stated                                                               
he  is a  fourth generation  commercial fisherman.   Putting  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone on the  board would drastically erode the  trust in the                                                               
public process of the board.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:33:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRACY NUZZI, testified in opposition  to the confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee to the Board of  Fisheries.  She said she is                                                               
a  subsistence  born  user  and  a  commercial  fisherman.    She                                                               
appreciates how the state has invested  quite a bit of money over                                                               
the past  decade in mentorship to  help the graying of  the fleet                                                               
by getting the next generation  into commercial fisheries through                                                               
the  state loan  program  and putting  on  the Young  Fishermen's                                                               
Summit, which have helped her and  her peers get into the fishery                                                               
and try to  make a living.  She doesn't  trust that Mr. Johnstone                                                               
has  her future  in  mind  when he  talks  about  changes to  the                                                               
fishery.  During her first  Board of Fisheries meeting, the first                                                               
comments of  Chair Johnstone  were to  highlight the  past year's                                                               
growth in income  of the fishermen, he didn't talk  about a five,                                                               
ten,  or twenty-year  average.   She perceived  this as  a snarky                                                               
comment on one of the Copper  River's record runs.  Mr. Johnstone                                                               
didn't talk  about the benefits to  the other user groups  or the                                                               
fluctuations  that  fishermen experience  over  the  years.   She                                                               
urged committee members to consider  the state's work to help her                                                               
and  her  peers continue  making  a  living in  Alaska's  coastal                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:35:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAX  WORHATCH,   Executive  Director,  United   Southeast  Alaska                                                               
Gillnetters (USAG),  testified in opposition to  the confirmation                                                               
of  Karl Johnstone,  appointee to  the  Board of  Fisheries.   He                                                               
noted  he  is  a  commercial   fisherman  and  a  member  of  the                                                               
Petersburg  Fish  and  Game  Advisory Committee.    He  said  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's well-documented history  regarding allocation between                                                               
sport and commercial fish is  very threatening to the livelihoods                                                               
of  USAG's   members.    His   organization  has   witnessed  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's lack of accessibility to  stakeholders as well as Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's inability or indifference  in regarding a proposal on                                                               
its merit.   That  Mr. Johnstone's  confirmation is  so polarized                                                               
should  be sending  a clear  message  that Mr.  Johnstone is  not                                                               
viewed as  a fair, considerate,  or good  choice to the  board by                                                               
many  of the  people  who regularly  take part  in  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries process.   As a  volunteer of an advisory  committee he                                                               
is appalled at Mr. Johnstone's appointment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:36:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIC GRUNDBERG  testified in opposition  to the  confirmations of                                                               
Karl  Johnstone and  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort,  appointees to  the                                                               
Board of Fisheries.  He noted  he is representing himself as is a                                                               
small business  owner and that  he serves on the  Petersburg Fish                                                               
and Game  Advisory Committee.   He maintained that  Mr. Johnstone                                                               
and Ms. Carlson-Van Dort are "KRSA stooges."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:36:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVE THYNES testified  in opposition to the  confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee to  the Board of Fisheries.  He  noted he is                                                               
a  sports,  personal   use,  subsistence,  and  second-generation                                                               
commercial  fisherman.   He said  Mr. Johnstone  states he  is in                                                               
favor of new commercial fisheries  while projecting the demise of                                                               
commercial fishermen's  livelihoods.  He urged  Mr. Johnstone not                                                               
be confirmed.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:37:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY EVENS, testified  in opposition to the  confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee  to the  Board of Fisheries.   She  said Mr.                                                               
Johnstone  has  stated that  commercial  fishing  is an  old  and                                                               
fading business  and that  the state should  no longer  manage in                                                               
its interest  and should be faded  out.  People have  fought hard                                                               
to develop management  programs for a sustainable  industry.  She                                                               
grew up  in the industry  and Mr. Johnstone's agenda  [would end]                                                               
her future  as a young Alaskan  commercial fisher as well  as the                                                               
way of life of countless rural Alaskans.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:38:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAD HEWITT, testified in support  of the confirmations of Israel                                                               
Payton,  Gerad   Godfrey,  Marit   Carlson-Van  Dort,   and  Karl                                                               
Johnstone,  appointees to  the Board  of Fisheries.   He  said he                                                               
operates   three  different   lodges   and   supports  all   four                                                               
appointees.  Balance  is needed on the board given  that a lot of                                                               
tough decisions need to be made.   He has known and respected Mr.                                                               
Johnstone  for about  15 years,  a  man of  integrity and  strong                                                               
will.  This  isn't a sport fish-commercial fish  situation; it is                                                               
a fish situation.  Management is  needed so Alaska doesn't end up                                                               
like  Oregon,   Washington,  or  California.     Mr.  Johnstone's                                                               
appointment will bring balance.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:39:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NATHAN GRUENING  testified in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee  to the Board of Fisheries.   He stated                                                               
he is a  commercial fisherman and Mr.  Johnstone's opinion pieces                                                               
show  Mr. Johnstone's  blatant  anti-commercial fishing  stances.                                                               
Mr. Johnstone's vision of the  future does not include commercial                                                               
fishing.   It is one  thing to be  pro sport fishing  and another                                                               
thing entirely to be anti-commercial  fishing.  Mr. Johnstone has                                                               
a long history of being an  impediment to the public process that                                                               
commercial fishermen feel  is important for mutual  respect and a                                                               
spirit of cooperation between all of Alaska's user groups.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:40:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  CLEMENS, testified  in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee  to the Board of Fisheries.   He stated                                                               
he  grew  up  commercial  fishing  in  Kodiak  with  his  father.                                                               
Appointing  a person  who lives  half the  year in  Arizona isn't                                                               
wise; a person should live in  Alaska full time to have the state                                                               
and its  best interests  come first.   He recalled  Mr. Johnstone                                                               
while  last serving  on  the board  as  saying, "Science  doesn't                                                               
matter; it's  apologist politics."   He  said people  who believe                                                               
such  things  have  no  business  making  large  decisions  on  a                                                               
resource that is managed heavily on science-based data.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:42:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL HOLLAND,  testified in support  of the confirmation  of Karl                                                               
Johnstone,  appointee to  the Board  of  Fisheries.   He said  he                                                               
would call Mr. Johnstone's opinion  piece far reaching, bold, and                                                               
looking  at  the  facts,  even  if  the  facts  scare  a  person.                                                               
Commercial fishers  calling Mr.  Johnstone biased  is a  bit like                                                               
the pot  calling the kettle black.   During his past  20 years of                                                               
attending  Board  of  Fisheries   meetings  his  experience  with                                                               
commercial fish board  members is their cross-eyed  focus on only                                                               
their interest.   He maintained that 35,000  dipnetters and their                                                               
families found Mr.  Johnstone fair and open minded,  which is not                                                               
something commercial  fish board  members have ever  been accused                                                               
of.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:43:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BIRCH YUKNIS, DDS,  testified in support of  the confirmations of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees  to the Board  of Fisheries.  He  stated he                                                               
has  commercial,  subsistence,  personal use,  and  sport  fished                                                               
across  the state,  as  well  as shell  fished.    He has  worked                                                               
personally with Mr. Payton on  the Matanuska Valley Fish and Game                                                               
Advisory Committee and Mr. Payton  has been, and will continue to                                                               
be,  an  exemplary Board  of  Fisheries  member.   Mr.  Johnstone                                                               
weighs the facts  and makes decisions based on  those facts; some                                                               
people don't like  it when the facts change the  status quo.  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone  has been  in  Alaska  a long  time  and therefore  has                                                               
ruffled a few feathers.  All  four appointees will look at issues                                                               
with an open mind and consider all users of the resources.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:44:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILL  IVERSON,  testified  in support  of  the  confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to the Board of  Fisheries.  He noted he is                                                               
president  of the  Alaska Outdoor  Council  and that  he lives  a                                                               
subsistence lifestyle  getting moose,  caribou, and fish  using a                                                               
normal hunting and fishing license.   In his younger years he was                                                               
a commercial fisherman out of  Bristol Bay, so he understands the                                                               
mindset.   The  Board  of  Fisheries has  been  dominated by  the                                                               
commercial industry for years and  during their rule the in-river                                                               
opportunities have continued to get worse.   It is not wanted for                                                               
the commercial fishing industry to  go away, but a fair allotment                                                               
to in-river  fishers and protection  of future stocks  is wanted.                                                               
A return to a balanced board  is needed, which it hasn't been for                                                               
a long  time.  Mr.  Johnstone is  being unfairly targeted  by the                                                               
well-orchestrated  and  biased  commercial  industry  because  he                                                               
won't always vote  their way.  Something needs to  change, as the                                                               
way  of doing  things is  not working.   Although  the commercial                                                               
industry has value and  no one wants it to go  away, the value to                                                               
thousands of Alaskans  and to the huge tourist  industry far away                                                               
gives such  preference to this  group.  The return  on investment                                                               
does not  make sense.   Although  the commercial  appointed board                                                               
members  talk  about being  nonpartisan,  they  never have  been.                                                               
Confirming all  four nominees  would restore  balance to  all the                                                               
user groups.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:46:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JACK  OLIVE, testified  in support  of the  confirmation of  Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee to the Board of  Fisheries.  He said part of                                                               
being an Alaskan  is catching fish and  salmon, both commercially                                                               
and sport  fishing.   Salmon are just  a commodity  to commercial                                                               
fishermen and eating salmon and  catching salmon are part of what                                                               
it's like  to be  Alaskan.  What  is one king  salmon worth  to a                                                               
commercial fisherman compared to a kid  who catches it with a rod                                                               
and  reel?   Fishing  is closed  now in  Upper  Cook Inlet  where                                                               
400,000 people  live and where  only 2 percent of  the commercial                                                               
catch is generated.  Someone like  Mr. Johnstone is needed on the                                                               
Board of Fisheries.   For too long commercial  fishers have ruled                                                               
the roost.  He urged Mr. Johnstone's confirmation.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:47:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG BRUSH, testified  in support of the  confirmations of Israel                                                               
Payton,  Gerad   Godfrey,  Marit   Carlson-Van  Dort,   and  Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to  the Board of Fisheries.   He stated his                                                               
belief that each  nominee will remain open  minded and objective,                                                               
putting the  sustainability of the  fish first, but  also equally                                                               
representing all the users throughout  their terms on what would,                                                               
could, and  should be called  a fair  and balanced board.   After                                                               
all these years  it saddens him somewhat that  the allocation tug                                                               
of war in  Cook Inlet never seems to wane,  usually at expense of                                                               
the fish.  Tonight he  hasn't heard one commercial fisher comment                                                               
on sustainability or  on conservation, which is sad.   But he has                                                               
heard Mr.  Johnstone bring it up  tonight.  It is  interesting to                                                               
note that  Mr. Johnstone has  come under  fire by one  user group                                                               
despite his  proven track record.   It  is time to  move forward.                                                               
He urged the confirmation of the  nominees to ensure fish for the                                                               
future for all users.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:49:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KENT HUFF,  testified in support  of the confirmations  of Israel                                                               
Payton,  Gerad   Godfrey,  Marit   Carlson-Van  Dort,   and  Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to the Board of  Fisheries.  He noted he is                                                               
a  member  of  the  Charter   Halibut  Management  Committee  for                                                               
Southeast  Alaska  and a  lodge  owner.   Having  researched  the                                                               
proposed  members  he  is  convinced   that  all  four  would  be                                                               
excellent choices for the Board  of Fisheries.  The four proposed                                                               
members would bring experience in  the commercial seining sector,                                                               
conservation and  fishery science,  commercial fishing,  and law.                                                               
With two  of the proposed members  having served on the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries  in  the past,  these  proposed  members make  a  great                                                               
choice for the board.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:50:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE SZYMANSKI, testified in support  of the confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee to  the Board of Fisheries.  He  noted he is                                                               
a former  state senator and  has worked in and  around commercial                                                               
fisheries  since getting  out of  the legislature  30 years  ago,                                                               
both at the Board of  Fisheries and the [North Pacific] Fisheries                                                               
Management  Council.    In  reviewing   the  public  records  and                                                               
comments related  to Mr. Johnstone,  he finds them to  be totally                                                               
inconsistent  with his  personal interaction  with Mr.  Johnstone                                                               
and  with  Mr.  Johnstone's  past performance  on  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.    Mr.  Johnstone  is  conscientious,  well  prepared,                                                               
approachable, and listens like a  former judge would listen.  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's  experience  is  valuable  and needed  on  the  board                                                               
because there are  going to be some major  issues associated with                                                               
state  and federal  fisheries.   Mr.  Johnstone will  be a  board                                                               
member  who can  deal with  parallel fishery  issues.   While Mr.                                                               
Johnstone has made some people  angry, he has a strong commitment                                                               
to  protecting  Alaska's  fishery  resources  and  maintaining  a                                                               
sustainable fishery into the future for future generations.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:52:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LINDA  BEHNKEN, Executive  Director, Alaska  Longline Fishermen's                                                               
Association, testified in opposition  to the confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone and in  support of the confirmations  of Israel Payton,                                                               
Gerad  Godfrey, and  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort,  appointees to  the                                                               
Board of Fisheries.   She said the association's  members live up                                                               
and  down  Alaska's  coast  and   are  committed  to  sustainable                                                               
fisheries,  thriving communities,  and science-based  management.                                                               
She served nine  years on the North  Pacific Fisheries Management                                                               
Council, has been involved in  fisheries management for almost 30                                                               
years  in Alaska,  has been  involved in  the Board  of Fisheries                                                               
process,  and   served  on  the  International   Pacific  Halibut                                                               
Commission.  Mr.  Johnstone is the first  candidate against which                                                               
she  has ever  testified,  and  she takes  that  seriously.   The                                                               
association's experience  working with  Mr. Johnstone is  that he                                                               
does not have a deep  commitment to science-based management that                                                               
is the association's  guiding principle.  Mr.  Johnstone has also                                                               
been willing to disregard the  impacts to coastal communities and                                                               
the people who are most affected  by the decisions that are being                                                               
made.   Right  now Alaska's  fisheries face  big challenges  with                                                               
climate   change  and   ocean   acidification.     Managers   and                                                               
policymakers are needed who are  willing to work together to take                                                               
care  of  the  resource  and  to pull  people  together  to  find                                                               
solutions.    Mr.  Johnstone is  divisive,  and  the  association                                                               
cannot support him.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:54:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KURT  WHITEHEAD,  testified in  support  of  the confirmation  of                                                               
Israel Payton, appointee  to the Board of Fisheries.   He said he                                                               
and his wife  operate a sport fishing and hunting  lodge.  He has                                                               
known   Mr.  Payton   since   about   1997,  professionally   and                                                               
personally,  and  Mr.  Payton  has  great  ethics,  is  involved,                                                               
objective, and is pro-Alaskan with no dog in the fight.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:55:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE HINTON, testified  in opposition to the  confirmation of Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee  to the  Board of Fisheries.   He  stated he                                                               
has fished off  the Alaska Peninsula for the last  32 years.  The                                                               
appointment of  Mr. Johnstone  is very  far reaching  because Mr.                                                               
Johnstone has a solid history  of being difficult in dealing with                                                               
the  public, as  well as  having a  bad relationship  with ADF&G.                                                               
Mr. Johnstone  is very unapproachable  to talk with at  the board                                                               
meetings and  seems to have  his mind made up  before testimonies                                                               
are even  started.  A  full-time Alaskan  is needed, not  one who                                                               
flies up from the golf course in Arizona.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:56:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICKY  JO KENNEDY,  Fish Watch,  testified in  opposition to  the                                                               
confirmation  of  Karl  Johnstone,  appointee  to  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.   She said  she started  the Fish  Watch organization.                                                               
She related that she approached  Mr. Johnstone several years back                                                               
about the  Department of Defense  (DOD) having its  war exercises                                                               
in  the  Gulf  of  Alaska  between Cordova  and  Kodiak  and  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone didn't  see that there  was any  problem with it.   She                                                               
told Mr.  Johnstone that it  was proving it  was a problem.   Mr.                                                               
Johnstone supported  the war games  and they are slated  to start                                                               
again this  May.  Mr.  Johnstone thinks  the war games  are okay,                                                               
but they  aren't   12  whales washed up  on Kodiak two  years ago                                                               
when the  war games were  held.  The war  games are right  in the                                                               
middle of  salmon season when  everything is swarming out  in the                                                               
gulf.  Mr. Johnstone is a no-go.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:57:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD YAMADA,  Alaska Tribal Association, testified  in support                                                               
of  the  confirmations of  Israel  Payton,  Gerad Godfrey,  Marit                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort, and Karl Johnstone,  appointees to the Board of                                                               
Fisheries.   He said  he was  surprised when  he heard  about the                                                               
backlash  on  Mr.  Johnstone's   appointment.    He  watched  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone during  his first  four years on  the board,  which was                                                               
during  the  fish  wars,  and  Mr.  Johnstone  was  always  fair.                                                               
Members of  the board  take a  lot of bullets  and there  are not                                                               
always winners  and always some  losers.  Mr.  Johnstone supports                                                               
sustainable  fisheries  and  so   the  association  supports  his                                                               
appointment.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:59:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  HILLSTRAND testified  in support  of the  confirmations of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone,  appointees  to the  Board  of  Fisheries.   She  said                                                               
adding these four  appointees to the board will  create a balance                                                               
of  expertise and  experience critical  to the  difficult issues.                                                               
Currently on the  board are two commercial fishers  and one sport                                                               
and  subsistence, so  these appointees  will add  a good  mix and                                                               
balance to the board.  The  Board of Fisheries has been in Alaska                                                               
since  1949 and  has always  been contentious.   It  is important                                                               
that  these issues  are  debated because  these  four people  can                                                               
uphold the intention  of democracy.  The most  important thing is                                                               
to  fight  for the  fish.    She  urged  the four  appointees  be                                                               
confirmed and allowed to make the hard decisions.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:00:17 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  PENNEY,  testified in  support  of  the confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees  to the  Board of Fisheries.   He  noted he                                                               
sent a  letter to  each legislator in  support of  Mr. Johnstone.                                                               
He said Mr.  Johnstone is the most qualified person  in the state                                                               
to serve on  the Board of Fisheries.  He  has known Mr. Johnstone                                                               
for  45  years when  Mr.  Johnstone  was  his attorney  and  then                                                               
watched Mr.  Johnstone become a  judge.  He cannot  believe there                                                               
aren't more  people thanking  Mr. Johnstone  for taking  the time                                                               
out of his life to do what he  is doing.  Mr. Penney noted he and                                                               
his  wife  own a  large  percentage  of Trapper's  Creek  Smoking                                                               
Company, which  buys more king  salmon than any other  company in                                                               
Alaska.   In 2018 the company  bought 1.2 million pounds  of king                                                               
and 800,000 pounds of sockeye.   He supports sport and commercial                                                               
fishing,  as the  company would  be out  of business  without it.                                                               
But  the  balance  in  Cook   Inlet  between  sport  fishing  and                                                               
commercial has  to be turned around,  it is unfair; there  are 60                                                               
licensed  anglers  in  Southcentral   Alaska  to  one  commercial                                                               
license.   The people want  to have  their share.   He encouraged                                                               
the committee to endorse all four appointees.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:02:10 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE PIERCE,  testified in opposition  to the  confirmations of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to the Board  of Fisheries.  He praised the                                                               
committee's  vetting  of  the appointees  and  asked  why  anyone                                                               
without a  science or  biology background  would be  appointed to                                                               
the board.   He said the board is being  stacked with unqualified                                                               
appointees;  the nominees  are for  special interest  groups, not                                                               
Alaskans.  Scientists and biologists  are needed, people who know                                                               
science.   This board  is bad for  Alaskans and  these appointees                                                               
are  bad choices.   Robert  Ruffner, a  scientist, should  be put                                                               
back on  the board.   A change is needed,  not the same  good old                                                               
boys.   Pebble Mine advocates  are not wanted, and  one appointee                                                               
would  be  flying in  from  Arizona  to be  on  the  board.   Mr.                                                               
Johnstone is too one sided and is not wanted back.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:04:00 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN WHISSEL, Native Village of  Eyak, testified in opposition to                                                               
the confirmation  of Karl  Johnstone, appointee  to the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries.  He  offered his appreciation for how  difficult it is                                                               
to  fill  the Board  of  Fisheries  positions.    He said  it  is                                                               
critical to use scientific evidence.   The Native Village of Eyak                                                               
is not  a commercial  fishing enterprise.   The  village supports                                                               
sustainable fisheries for all user  groups.  The village spends a                                                               
lot of time  and energy to collect additional  data to supplement                                                               
what  ADF&G collects  on its  own  for better  management of  the                                                               
fisheries.   Mr. Johnstone does  not believe in science  and does                                                               
not use science  to make his decisions and  that is unacceptable.                                                               
Mr. Johnstone is openly dismissive  of science and that cannot be                                                               
part  of   the  decision  making   body  that   governs  Alaska's                                                               
fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:05:26 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ANDY  HALL, President,  Kenai Peninsula  Fishermen's Association,                                                               
testified in  opposition to the  confirmation of  Karl Johnstone,                                                               
appointee  to  the  Board  of  Fisheries.   He  stated  he  is  a                                                               
setnetter  and  the  association represents  setnetters  in  Cook                                                               
Inlet.   He offered his  hope that  the committees will  read, or                                                               
have already  read, the two email  messages he sent earlier.   He                                                               
was nervous about  sending them for fear of  retaliation from Mr.                                                               
Johnstone.    Mr.  Johnstone lacks  impartiality  and  lacks  the                                                               
demeanor  necessary  to  serve  on  this  board  and  effectively                                                               
interact with the public.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:06:37 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KASEY  LOOMIS,  testified  in support  of  the  confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to  the Board of Fisheries.   She noted she                                                               
is the secretary/treasurer of the  Kenai River Professional Guide                                                               
Association.   She said she  researched the opinions  of business                                                               
owners and fellow  guides regarding Mr. Johnstone  and found that                                                               
Mr.  Johnstone was  a fair  and  experienced board  member.   Mr.                                                               
Johnstone will be an asset to the  board as well as being a fair,                                                               
effective, and  experienced board member for  the maximum benefit                                                               
of all Alaskans.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:07:40 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RAY  DEBARDELABEN,  President,  Kenai  River  Professional  Guide                                                               
Association, testified in support  of the confirmations of Israel                                                               
Payton,  Gerad   Godfrey,  Marit   Carlson-Van  Dort,   and  Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees to  the Board of Fisheries.  He  said he is                                                               
speaking for the  association in support of  all four appointees.                                                               
From  his 24  years  of guiding  he thinks  this  will provide  a                                                               
balanced board  and provide  an opportunity  for all  Alaskans to                                                               
benefit from the state's fisheries.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:08:37 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PAUL SHADURA II,  testified in opposition to  the confirmation of                                                               
Karl  Johnstone,  appointee  to  the  Board  of  Fisheries.    He                                                               
recounted a  2014 Cook  Inlet regulatory  meeting in  which, well                                                               
into  the  meeting  process,  a  board  member  proposal  by  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone was  submitted as a  substitute proposal.   Considering                                                               
that  all written  proposals from  the  public are  due in  early                                                               
April  of   the  previous  year,  any   individual  board  member                                                               
proposals   submitted  after   the   year  and   well  into   the                                                               
deliberation  process  completely  subverts the  public  process.                                                               
Later  he also  learned that  the support  division's lead  staff                                                               
worked  on  and wrote  this  proposal  at  the bequest  of  Chair                                                               
Johnstone months  before.  When  he asked why the  department did                                                               
not present this before all  the public submissions and testimony                                                               
was given,  Mr. Johnstone concluded  that the Board  of Fisheries                                                               
chair has the  power to present a board  member proposal whenever                                                               
[the  chair] so  determines  without the  public  having a  prior                                                               
knowledge  or any  public release  of  the information  contained                                                               
with, or at, the division.   Mr. Shadura maintained that this was                                                               
a  gross abuse  of  the  public process  and  an  example of  the                                                               
questionable ethics that Mr. Johnstone  will pursue to obtain his                                                               
personal objective.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:09:58 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MONTE  ROBERTS,  testified in  support  of  the confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees  to the  Board of Fisheries.   He  said all                                                               
four  appointees  were  carefully  considered  and  do  represent                                                               
(indisc.  audio difficulties).                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:11:06 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
FRED  STURMAN testified  in opposition  to  the confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees  to the Board  of Fisheries.  He  stated he                                                               
has been  fishing for 50  years and the  150 kids who  worked for                                                               
him  over the  years have  gone  on to  become doctors,  lawyers,                                                               
veterinarians, teachers,  and other  professionals.   However, he                                                               
won't  be able  to do  that anymore  because of  [reduced fishing                                                               
days].   He is  opposed to  all four  appointees because  none of                                                               
them will  look out for the  fish.  The governor  should be asked                                                               
to appoint  biologists who will  look at the history  and biology                                                               
of the fish, not special interests.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:12:20 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RON  CARMON,  testified in  opposition  to  the confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone,  appointees to  the Board  of Fisheries.   He  said he                                                               
opposes  Mr.  Johnstone  and  all  the people  on  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.   The  guides  don't  even have  a  license and  their                                                               
testimony shouldn't be  included.  He said  the guide association                                                               
has taken out  $44 billion of resource; the guides  fish for free                                                               
and without a license and they need to pay that back.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:13:04 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
GARY  STEVENS,  testified  in support  of  the  confirmations  of                                                               
Israel Payton,  Gerad Godfrey, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort,  and Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointees  to the Board  of Fisheries.  He  stated he                                                               
supports all  the appointees  because it is  about time  that in-                                                               
river users -  sport, personal use, and subsistence  users - have                                                               
somewhat  equitable representation  on  the  Board of  Fisheries.                                                               
Many of the people questioning  Mr. Johnstone's integrity or bias                                                               
were  supporters of  Roland Maw;  it is  sour grapes;  they don't                                                               
want  equitable representation  for all  Alaskans on  this board.                                                               
Commercial fishers are not the only people who vote.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:14:08 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JARED DANIELSON,  testified in opposition to  the confirmation of                                                               
Karl Johnstone, appointee  to the Board of Fisheries.   He stated                                                               
he  is a  third-generation  commercial fisherman  and fishes  the                                                               
Alaska Peninsula.   His  family started  fishing when  there were                                                               
fish traps  in the 1950s.   He opposes Mr. Johnstone  because his                                                               
past  experiences while  attending  Board  of Fisheries  meetings                                                               
indicate to  him that Mr. Johnstone  is unfit for the  role.  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone's disagreeable personality reflects  his attitude.  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone  is  hard to  approach,  is  close-minded, and  grumpy.                                                               
Even  though  Mr.  Johnstone's   credentials  are  passable,  his                                                               
personality traits do not make  for a well-equipped board member.                                                               
Mr. Johnstone has been quoted  for saying science doesn't matter,                                                               
it's all politics.   This kind of behavior is  unacceptable.  Mr.                                                               
Johnstone  has served  his time  already  and it's  time to  move                                                               
forward,  give others  an  opportunity, and  fill  his seat  with                                                               
someone who is competent.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:15:27 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TODD SMITH,  testified in support  of the confirmation  of Israel                                                               
Payton and in  opposition to the confirmation  of Karl Johnstone,                                                               
appointees  to the  Board  of  Fisheries.   He  stated  he has  a                                                               
variety  of  outdoor  interests  and   does  a  lot  of  fishing,                                                               
including commercial  fishing on a  small family setnet  site off                                                               
the Kasilof River,  a river that had record  personal use fishing                                                               
this  year.   Fishing is  very  good on  the Kasilof  River.   He                                                               
supports  Mr. Payton's  appointment.   While  Mr. Payton  doesn't                                                               
always vote  how he would like,  Mr. Payton is honest,  reads all                                                               
of  the  department's reports,  and  asks  tough questions.    He                                                               
opposes Mr.  Johnstone's appointment.   While Mr. Johnstone  is a                                                               
smart and effective  board member, he has an agenda  and his off-                                                               
the-record conduct  is not  befitting of a  board member  and his                                                               
views are polarizing.  More  cohesiveness is needed on the board,                                                               
not polarization.  He has seen  many times when Mr. Johnstone set                                                               
the board agenda to benefit Mr. Johnstone's interests.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:17:02 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CLEM TILLION  testified in  support of  the confirmation  of Karl                                                               
Johnstone, appointee  to the  Board of  Fisheries.   He suggested                                                               
that if Mr.  Johnstone is not confirmed "the deck  is going to be                                                               
stacked"  and  the  replacement   appointee  would  be  a  sports                                                               
fisherman.    Mr.  Tillion  said  his  sympathies  are  with  the                                                               
commercial and  Mr. Johnstone has  been very helpful  to Alaska's                                                               
cod fishermen  and crab fishermen  and the small  boat operations                                                               
to the  westward.   He would  rather keep that  than end  up with                                                               
another  appointee who  is a  sport fish  advocate that  may have                                                               
lots less knowledge  than Mr. Johnstone.  He  reiterated that Mr.                                                               
Johnstone is good for the fisheries westward.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:17:55 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  closed public testimony after  ascertaining that no                                                               
one else wished to testify.   She offered time for each appointee                                                               
to make final comments.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GODFREY expressed his appreciation  for the people who shared                                                               
their thoughts  in the public  process and thanked  the committee                                                               
for providing that public process.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  re-opened public  testimony after  discovering that                                                               
one witness was overlooked.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:19:27 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ROLAND MAW, PhD, stated that since  his name was mentioned by one                                                               
of  the  appointees  and  one  of the  witnesses,  he  thinks  it                                                               
appropriate that he  not make any comments  about the suitability                                                               
of any of the nominees.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES again  closed public  testimony  and again  offered                                                               
time for each appointee to make final comments.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:20:31 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN   DORT  stated  that  the   policy  of  Alaska's                                                               
constitution is  pretty straightforward regarding  the management                                                               
of resources for the maximum benefit  of the public interest.  To                                                               
her, that  means the principles  of conservation must  govern the                                                               
management  of  that resource  and  everybody  should be  treated                                                               
equally by  management rules, especially  those rules  adopted in                                                               
the  interest  of conservation  that  limit  the access  of  some                                                               
groups to certain  resources.  Much was heard  about that tonight                                                               
and it has given  her a lot to think about.   She reiterated that                                                               
she is up to that challenge.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSTONE  thanked the committee  members and witnesses.   To                                                               
those who testified  against him he said he  takes their comments                                                               
seriously, not  personally, and there is  no need to fear  him if                                                               
he is  appointed because he does  not begrudge the comments.   He                                                               
is  humbled by  the support  he received  in tonight's  testimony                                                               
along with the approximately 250 letters written in his support.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAYTON stated he had no comments.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:23:01 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  spoke to the  positive testimony about  Mr. Payton                                                               
and suggested that  perhaps more [board members] need  to do more                                                               
of what Mr. Payton is doing.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:23:22 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  addressed  the  testimony  in  which  the                                                               
committee was requested to appoint  someone who wasn't one of the                                                               
nominees.   She pointed out  that the  committee is only  able to                                                               
review the  nominees for the  board and then the  nominees' names                                                               
go forward  to a full vote  of the joint session.   The committee                                                               
cannot hold a nomination [from  being advanced out of] committee,                                                               
she continued,  and the  committee cannot  choose the  people who                                                               
are nominated.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:23:53 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES  passed the gavel  to Co-Chair Lincoln  and prefaced                                                               
that her  forthcoming remarks  are nothing  personal.   She noted                                                               
she is  the representative  of a coastal  district, the  chair of                                                               
the House Special  Committee on Fisheries, and an  Alaskan who is                                                               
passionate  about the  state's fisheries  and resources,  and her                                                               
comments come from that perspective.  She spoke as follows:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Mr.  Johnstone has  my  thanks for  his  many years  of                                                                    
     public service.   However, I  am morally  and ethically                                                                    
     compelled to  oppose his  confirmation because  of what                                                                    
     it  would mean  to  the health  of  our fisheries,  the                                                                    
     board's balance,  and the public  trust in  the board's                                                                    
     process.   As  a representative  of a  coastal district                                                                    
     that   boasts   strong    commercial,   personal   use,                                                                    
     subsistence, and sport constituencies,  I want to see a                                                                    
     balanced board.   Mr.  Johnstone represents  the second                                                                    
     Anchorage  appointment on  this  board  along with  one                                                                    
     from  Eagle River  and one  from Wasilla.   That  makes                                                                    
     four  seats that  regionally are  from  the same  area.                                                                    
     Aside  from the  obvious Cook  Inlet centric  nature of                                                                    
     the appointees, Mr. Johnstone has  proven himself to be                                                                    
     extremely  biased against  commercial  fishing in  both                                                                    
     published papers since  his first time on  the board as                                                                    
     well  as his  voting record  and personal  interactions                                                                    
     while on  the board.   Not only that, but  his comments                                                                    
     on  salmon farming  are  beyond  alarming to  Alaskans,                                                                    
     regardless  of   what  user   group  they   hale  from.                                                                    
     Aquaculture is  not the way  of the future  for Alaskan                                                                    
     commercial    fishing    families   and    communities.                                                                    
     Furthermore, as  an Alaskan who believes  in the public                                                                    
     process,  transparency,  and  science-based  management                                                                    
     decisions,   the  body   of  evidence   and  reputation                                                                    
     surrounding his  career demonstrate clearly  that those                                                                    
     are  exactly   the  qualities  that  are   coming  into                                                                    
     question  regarding his  confirmation.   Many people  I                                                                    
     have spoken  to who vehemently oppose  his confirmation                                                                    
     are fearful of speaking  out because of the retribution                                                                    
     they  are sure  that will  follow if  he is  confirmed,                                                                    
     leaving me to agree with  the people who are telling me                                                                    
     he created this  atmosphere while he was  on the board.                                                                    
     Aside from the identical  form letters we have received                                                                    
     in  support  of  the   governor's  nominees,  the  vast                                                                    
     majority  who have  contacted me  are singling  out Mr.                                                                    
     Johnstone for  opposition out of  genuine fear  of what                                                                    
     is  in   store  for   the  fisheries   if  he   is  ...                                                                    
     [appointed].   A list goes  on, but the  dramatic shift                                                                    
     in  the board  balance that  Mr. Johnstone  represents,                                                                    
     his  clear bias,  the lopsided  regional makeup  of the                                                                    
     nominees,  as  well as  his  lack  of transparency  and                                                                    
     residency issues,  are too  much for me  to ignore.   I                                                                    
     understand that any  nominee for this seat  will not be                                                                    
     a commercial  fishing advocate and I'm  fine with that.                                                                    
     This will be  a sport seat.  However,  I firmly believe                                                                    
     that Mr.  Johnstone's reputation and history  of biases                                                                    
     show that  he is not  the right person for  this board.                                                                    
     Again, I thank him for his  past service, but I will be                                                                    
     opposing his confirmation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:27:48 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LINCOLN   inquired  whether  there  were   any  further                                                               
comments from  the committee.   Seeing none,  he stated  that the                                                               
House  Special Committee  on Fisheries  and  the House  Resources                                                               
Standing  Committee  have  reviewed the  qualifications  for  the                                                               
following governor's appointees and  recommends that the names be                                                               
forwarded to  a joint session  for consideration:   Gerad Godfrey                                                               
from  Eagle River,  Israel Payton  from  Wasilla, Karl  Johnstone                                                               
from  Anchorage, Marit  Carlson-Van  Dort [from]  Anchorage.   He                                                               
reminded the committee  that this does not reflect  intent by any                                                               
of the  members to vote  for or against these  individuals during                                                               
any further sessions for the purposes of confirmation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LINCOLN thanked the people who gave testimony and said                                                                 
it was nice to see this many people engaged in the process.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:28:46 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committees, the joint                                                                
meeting of the House Special Committee on Fisheries and House                                                                   
Resources Standing Committee was adjourned at 10:29 p.m.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Board of Fisheries Background Information.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Board of Fisheries Committee Assignments.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Israel Payton_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Gerad Godfrey_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Marit Carlson-Van Dort_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Karl Stanley Johnstone_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Board of Fish - Form Letters in Support of Appointees.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Board of Fish - Letter in Opposition to all Board of Fish Appointees.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Board of Fish - Letters in Opposition to Marit Carlson-Van Dort.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Board of Fish - Letters in Support of All Board Fish Appointees.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Board of Fish - Letters in Support of Karl Johnstone.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Board of Fish - Letters in Support of Marit Carlson-Van Dort.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Board of Fish - Letters in Support of Gerad Godfrey.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish Confirmations
Letters in Support of Israel Payton.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish - Letters in Support of Israel Payton
Board of Fish - Letters in Opposition to Karl Johnstone.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fisheries Confirmation
Marit Carlson-Van Dort Support letter BOF from AFN 4.11.2019.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Letters of Support for Marit Carlson-Van Dort.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Letters of Support for Israel Payton Set Two 4.16.19.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Letters of Support for Israel Payton and Karl Johnstone 4.16.19.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Letters in Support of Karl Johnstone Set Two 4.16.19.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Letters in Support of all Board of Fish Members Except Godfrey 4.16.19.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Letters in Support of All Board of Fish Appointees Set Two 4.16.19.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Letters in Opposition to Karl Johnstone Set Two 4.16.19.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
In Support of Israel Payton and Opposition to Karl Johnstone 4.16.19.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Form Letters in Support of all Board of Fish Appointees 4.16.19.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Form Letters in Opposition to Karl Johnstone from Cordova 4.16.19.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish
Board of Fish Confirmation - Opposition to Johnstone SEAFA 4.16.19.pdf HRES 4/15/2019 6:30:00 PM
Board of Fish