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04/12/2019 01:00 PM RESOURCES

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01:02:47 PM Start
01:03:20 PM HB3
01:27:31 PM Confirmation Hearings(s):|| Board of Game
02:41:40 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees: Board of TELECONFERENCED
Game
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 3 STATE LAND SALE; PFD VOUCHER AND ASSIGN. TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSSHB 3(RES) Out of Committee
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 12, 2019                                                                                         
                           1:02 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Geran Tarr, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Grier Hopkins, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Ivy Spohnholz                                                                                                    
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
Representative Dave Talerico                                                                                                    
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative Sara Rasmussen                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Lincoln, Co-Chair                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 3                                                                                         
"An  Act  relating  to  the  purchase and  sale  of  state  land;                                                               
relating to discounts  for veterans on state  land purchases; and                                                               
relating  to  the  assignment  of  permanent  fund  dividends  to                                                               
purchase state land."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSSHB 3(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS(S):                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Board of Game                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Al Barrette - Fairbanks                                                                                                    
     Orville Huntington - Huslia                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CONFIRMATION(S):  ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 3                                                                                                                    
SHORT TITLE: STATE LAND SALE; PFD VOUCHER AND ASSIGN.                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) RAUSCHER                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
02/20/19       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/7/19                                                                                
02/20/19       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/20/19       (H)       MLV, RES, FIN                                                                                          
03/13/19       (H)       SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE INTRODUCED                                                                          
03/13/19       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/13/19       (H)       MLV, RES, FIN                                                                                          
03/14/19       (H)       MLV AT 2:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
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03/26/19       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/26/19       (H)       Moved SSHB 3 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/26/19       (H)       MINUTE(MLV)                                                                                            
03/27/19       (H)       MLV RPT 4DP 2NR                                                                                        
03/27/19       (H)       DP: THOMPSON, JACKSON, TARR, RAUSCHER                                                                  
03/27/19       (H)       NR: TUCK, LEDOUX                                                                                       
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DARRELL BREESE, Staff                                                                                                           
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  On behalf of Representative Rauscher,                                                                    
sponsor, answered questions regarding SSHB 3.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARTY PARSONS, Director                                                                                                         
Central Office                                                                                                                  
Division of Mining, Land and Water                                                                                              
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions regarding SSHB 3.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ORVILLE HUNTINGTON                                                                                                              
Huslia, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the Board of                                                                   
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
AL BARRETTE                                                                                                                     
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the Board of                                                                   
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RON SOMERVILLE, Spokesperson                                                                                                    
Territorial Sportsmen                                                                                                           
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Al Barrette and Orville Huntington to the Board of Game.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
LIN DAVIS                                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Al Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MIKE TINKER, Spokesperson                                                                                                       
Alaska Wildlife Conservation Association                                                                                        
Ester, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Al Barrette and Orville Huntington to the Board of Game.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR, Spokesperson                                                                                                  
Fairbanks Fish and Game Advisory Committee                                                                                      
Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                                              
North Pole, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Al Barrette and Orville Huntington to the Board of Game.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MARK RICHARDS, Executive Director                                                                                               
Resident Hunters of Alaska                                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Al Barrette and Orville Huntington to the Board of Game.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JOE KLUTSCH                                                                                                                     
King Salmon, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Al Barrette and Orville Huntington to the Board of Game.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
WAYNE KUBAT, Vice President                                                                                                     
Alaska Professional Hunters Association                                                                                         
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Al Barrette and Orville Huntington to the Board of Game.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MARY MATTHIAS, Director                                                                                                         
Natural Resources                                                                                                               
Orutsararmiut Traditional Native Council                                                                                        
Bethel, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Al Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:02:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GERAN   TARR  called   the  House   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at  1:02 p.m.   Representatives Tuck,                                                               
Talerico, Spohnholz, Rauscher, Hopkins,  and Tarr were present at                                                               
the call to order.   Representatives Hannan and Rasmussen arrived                                                               
as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
         HB 3-STATE LAND SALE; PFD VOUCHER AND ASSIGN.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:03:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  announced that the  first order of  business would                                                               
be SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE  FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 3, "An  Act relating to                                                               
the purchase  and sale of  state land; relating to  discounts for                                                               
veterans on state land purchases;  and relating to the assignment                                                               
of permanent fund dividends to purchase state land."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:04:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER, sponsor, specified  SSHB 3 would provide                                                               
for [Alaska  residents] to utilize their  permanent fund dividend                                                               
(PFD) for the  purchase of [state] land.   Additionally, he said,                                                               
SSHB 3 would provide a 33  percent [discount] to veterans who are                                                               
bidding for land in state land  disposal sales.  He said he would                                                               
be proposing  an amendment that  addresses some of  the questions                                                               
brought up during prior hearings of the bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:04:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  offered  his understanding  that  [SSHB  3]                                                               
would provide for  a veteran to receive a 25  percent discount on                                                               
his/her first  purchase of land  and a  33 percent discount  on a                                                               
second purchase.  He asked whether  [SSHB 3] would also provide a                                                               
33 percent discount  on any additional land  purchases beyond the                                                               
second purchase.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER offered  his belief  that after  looking                                                               
over the  original bill it  was decided that "the  first purchase                                                               
was still  going to be 25  or vice versa and  the second purchase                                                               
could have been 33 percent."   The problem, he said, was that use                                                               
of the 33 percent [by a  veteran] was tied to [assigning his/her]                                                               
PFD.  "But they both were  in existence," he continued, "giving a                                                               
veteran two chances  with a big percentage advantage  on each one                                                               
of the parcels  he was bidding on instead of  once in a lifetime,                                                               
which is where each program tried to be to begin with."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:06:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  offered his  understanding that it  would be                                                               
two purchases at discounts.   He said he supports the forthcoming                                                               
amendment as  a great  fix, but  suggested the  committee discuss                                                               
whether  there  should  be  a   limit  of  two  purchases  or  an                                                               
indefinite number of purchases for the 33 percent discount.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR directed  attention to Section 3,  which states, "A                                                               
veteran  is entitled  to [ONLY]  one discount  under (a)  of this                                                           
section and  one discount  under (f) of  this section  during the                                                           
veteran's lifetime."   She  said she  therefore thought  the part                                                               
about being able to use it once had been addressed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:07:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER deferred to  Mr. Darrell Breese to answer                                                               
the question.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR offered  her understanding that the  interest is in                                                               
ensuring that  the language be  clear that [a veteran]  only gets                                                               
to use  either the 25  percent or the  33 percent, and  that both                                                               
can be used but [a veteran] only gets to use each of them once.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DARRELL  BREESE, Staff,  Representative  George Rauscher,  Alaska                                                               
State   Legislature,  on   behalf  of   Representative  Rauscher,                                                               
sponsor,  responded  that under  the  bill  as currently  written                                                               
without  the amendment  [SSHB 3],  an individual  can get  the 25                                                               
percent discount  on purchases  before August  1, 2019,  only one                                                               
time.   If the bill were  passed, he explained, then  [a veteran]                                                               
could get the  33 percent discount after August 1  only one time.                                                               
A  third  purchase  is  not   available  with  the  discount,  he                                                               
continued,  the third  sale would  be at  the full  price of  the                                                               
property.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:08:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  offered his understanding of  what he heard:                                                               
"From this day  forward you get a one chance  at 33 percent, but,                                                               
however,  if you  had  been  able to  take  advantage  of the  25                                                               
percent before  August 1, 2019, then  you get a second  stab with                                                               
the 33 percent."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREESE answered that [SSHB 3]  would allow [a veteran] to get                                                               
both:   25  percent  on  land purchased  beforehand  and then  33                                                               
percent on  land purchased  after August 1.   However,  he noted,                                                               
the  [forthcoming] amendment  would change  things a  bit and  he                                                               
doesn't want members to confuse the two.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:09:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER moved to adopt Amendment 1, labeled 31-                                                                 
LS0028\M.1, Fisher, 4/6/19, which read:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 2:                                                                                                            
          Delete "and"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 3, following "land":                                                                                        
         Insert "; and providing for an effective date"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 6:                                                                                                            
          Delete "25 percent on"                                                                                                
          Insert "one-third of [25 PERCENT ON]"                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 9 - 11:                                                                                                      
          Delete all material.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 12:                                                                                                           
          Delete "new subsections"                                                                                              
          Insert "a new subsection"                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 13 - 19:                                                                                                     
          Delete all material.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 20:                                                                                                           
          Delete "(g)"                                                                                                          
          Insert "(f)"                                                                                                          
          Following "another":                                                                                                  
          Insert "veterans'"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, following line 12:                                                                                                 
          Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                     
         "* Sec. 6. The uncodified law of the State of                                                                      
     Alaska is amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                         
          VETERANS'         DISCOUNT;         APPLICABILITY.                                                                    
     Notwithstanding  the  amendment of  AS 38.05.940(a)  by                                                                    
     sec.  1 of  this Act,  AS 38.05.940(a), as  it read  on                                                                    
     July 31,  2019, applies  to  discounted  land sales  to                                                                    
      eligible veterans under AS 38.05 that occurred on or                                                                      
     before July 31, 2019.                                                                                                      
        * Sec. 7. This Act takes effect August 1, 2019."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:10:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RASMUSSEN objected for discussion purposes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER explained Amendment  1 would provide that                                                               
going forward there would be only  one choice.  From listening to                                                               
Representative Tuck at  the last hearing, he  continued, [SSHB 3]                                                               
is  too confusing.   He  offered his  belief that  Representative                                                               
Tuck was "looking  for one option here and getting  rid of the 25                                                               
and  increasing  the  only  option  now  and  letting  it  be  33                                                               
percent," which is what Amendment 1 is chasing.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR offered her understanding  that if Amendment 1 were                                                               
incorporated into  the bill, the  25 percent [discount]  would be                                                               
eliminated after  August 1,  and after August  1 the  only option                                                               
would be the  33 percent discount and [the  veteran] could assign                                                               
his/her PFD to make the payment.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREESE replied correct.   First in Amendment 1, he explained,                                                               
the 25  percent would be changed  to 33 percent and  later in the                                                               
amendment the 33  percent section would be deleted  from the bill                                                               
totally  so that  only  a 33  percent discount  is  offered.   He                                                               
further explained  that Amendment  1 would add  a new  section to                                                               
the bill,  Section 6, which would  provide that if a  veteran had                                                               
taken the 25  percent discount before the  bill's effective date,                                                               
August  1, 2019,  the  veteran  would be  ineligible  for the  33                                                               
percent  discount.   A veteran  would  be eligible  for only  one                                                               
discount, he added,  the 25 percent if it has  already been taken                                                               
or the 33 percent moving forward.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:12:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ  observed Amendment  1 would  delete all                                                               
material on page 2, lines 9-11,  of the bill, which is Section 3.                                                               
She noted Section  3 is the limit  on the number of  times that a                                                               
veteran is  eligible to use  these discounts.  She  requested the                                                               
section of law  be pointed out that allows any  limitation on the                                                               
number of times this can be used.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREESE drew attention to  the language that is underlined and                                                               
bold within  Section 3 of  the bill,  and explained that  that is                                                               
what the  bill is proposing to  add to existing statute.   By not                                                               
adding that  language to  existing statute,  he continued,  it is                                                               
basically deleting  this [proposed  new language] from  the bill.                                                               
He said  Section 3 looks  at AS  38.05.940(c), which states:   "A                                                               
veteran  is entitled  to  only one  discount  under this  section                                                               
during the veteran's lifetime."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR observed  Amendment 1 would eliminate  Section 4 as                                                               
well, because  the amendment would  delete [page 2]  lines 13-19,                                                               
in the bill that add the  33 percent discount, thereby making the                                                               
existing  Section  1  the  default  discount  section  that  gets                                                               
updated to 33 percent.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BREESE answered  correct  and noted  Amendment  1 would  not                                                               
delete  all of  Section 4,  only  subsection (f).   He  explained                                                               
Section  4 is  the establishment  of the  33 percent  discount if                                                               
[the veteran] uses his/her PFD,  and under Amendment 1 this would                                                               
go  away.   Subsection (g)  of Section  4, he  further explained,                                                               
would  remain  under Amendment  1  and  would be  re-lettered  to                                                               
subsection (f), so Section 4  would state, "A discount under this                                                               
section  may not  be combined  with another  discount under  this                                                               
section."   He said this  provision would prevent  three veterans                                                               
from getting together and purchasing a parcel of land for free.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:14:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RASMUSSEN  removed her  objection to  Amendment 1.                                                               
There being no further objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR noted  the bill,  as amended,  was now  before the                                                               
committee for discussion.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:14:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN inquired about  the length of residency for                                                               
a veteran to qualify.  She  posed a scenario in which [a veteran]                                                               
comes to Alaska  for one year, gets the discount,  buys the land,                                                               
and then doesn't remain an Alaska resident.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER   replied  that,   constitutionally,  he                                                               
doesn't think this  could be stopped.  He deferred  to Mr. Breese                                                               
or Mr. Marty Parsons to answer further.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MARTY  PARSONS, Director,  Central  Office,  Division of  Mining,                                                               
Land and Water, Department of  Natural Resources (DNR), confirmed                                                               
Representative Rauscher  is correct.  He  said, constitutionally,                                                               
[a veteran] must  be a resident to qualify to  purchase the land.                                                               
If [the veteran]  then left the state, he continued,  it would be                                                               
no  different than  someone purchasing  land through  the regular                                                               
auction  which requires  that the  person  be a  resident of  the                                                               
state,  and if  that person  left  Alaska the  next year,  he/she                                                               
would still  have the  land.   The bill  doesn't change  that, he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:16:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RASMUSSEN  asked whether  there  is  a clause  in                                                               
statute or  regulation that if  a person chooses to  purchase the                                                               
land with  his/her PFD, and then  leaves the state and  no longer                                                               
qualifies for the  PFD, that a payment arrangement  would be made                                                               
when the person no longer qualifies for a PFD.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BREESE  replied that  the  bill,  as restructured  with  the                                                               
adoption of  Amendment 1,  now says a  person can  assign his/her                                                               
PFD to make the payments.  If  the person leaves the state and is                                                               
no longer  eligible for the  PFD, the  person would have  to make                                                               
the  payments out-of-pocket  separately from  any PFD  funds that                                                               
would have been received had the person remained in the state.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RASMUSSEN asked whether it says that in the bill.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREESE  responded that the way  the bill is now  amended, the                                                               
PFD is the only thing assigned  to making the payment.  While not                                                               
addressed in  the bill anywhere,  he said, a purchaser  loses the                                                               
eligibility for PFD  payment if he/she is no  longer eligible for                                                               
the PFD.   The purchaser, he continued, is still  on the hook for                                                               
payment to  fulfill his/her contractual obligations  with DNR for                                                               
the land purchase.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER added that [assignment  of] the PFD is no                                                               
longer tied to [a veteran  receiving the 33 percent discount] for                                                               
the land  purchase.  An Alaska  resident, he said, would  be able                                                               
to purchase  land regardless of  whether he/she is a  veteran and                                                               
if the purchaser wants to put  his/her PFD toward the purchase of                                                               
this land, it  can now be done at any  time, even for [previously                                                               
purchased land].                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:19:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR asked  whether it would be a difficulty  for DNR to                                                               
have  a  purchaser  switch  from assignment  of  his/her  PFD  to                                                               
another form of payment.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PARSONS answered  that under  DNR's reading  of the  bill it                                                               
wouldn't be  any more of a  burden.  He said  the purchaser would                                                               
need to notify DNR that he/she  is no longer pledging his/her PFD                                                               
to  make  a  payment  and  DNR  would  continue  to  process  the                                                               
purchaser's  contractual  payments  as  the  department  normally                                                               
would.  If the purchaser failed  to notify DNR and payment didn't                                                               
come through,  he stated, the  purchaser would become  in arrears                                                               
and DNR would have to potentially start default proceedings.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:20:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK inquired where in  the bill [the discount] is                                                               
limited to a one-time use, given Section 3 is now eliminated.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREESE replied it is  in the current statute, AS 38.05940(c),                                                               
which states, "A  veteran is entitled to only  one discount under                                                               
this section during the veteran's lifetime.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER  stated  he  hopes  he  took  everyone's                                                               
concerns into  account.  He  offered his belief that  Amendment 1                                                               
fixed everyone's  concerns, that everyone  thought it was  a good                                                               
bill, and that the bill has been  smoothed out for DNR.  He asked                                                               
for the committee's support of the bill.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:22:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  moved to report  SSHB 3, as  amended, out                                                               
of   committee   with    individual   recommendations   and   the                                                               
accompanying  fiscal notes.   There  being  no objection,  CSSSHB
3(RES)  was   reported  out  of  the   House  Resources  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
1:23:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
^CONFIRMATION HEARINGS(S):                                                                                                      
^Board of Game                                                                                                                  
                   CONFIRMATION HEARINGS(S):                                                                                
                         Board of Game                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:27:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  announced that the  final order of  business would                                                               
be confirmation hearings for Orville  Huntington and Al Barrette,                                                               
appointees to the Board of Game.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:28:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ORVILLE  HUNTINGTON, Appointee,  Board of  Game, testified  he is                                                               
originally from  Huslia and  is now working  in Fairbanks  as the                                                               
Wildlife  and Parks  Director for  the  Tanana Chiefs  Conference                                                               
(TCC).  He said neither he  nor his immediate family members hunt                                                               
or trap  commercially, but they do  subsistence hunting, fishing,                                                               
and trapping.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:29:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  inquired whether Mr. Huntington  previously served                                                               
on another board.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUNTINGTON  replied he served  on the Board of  Fisheries for                                                               
seven years.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:29:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  requested Mr.  Huntington to  describe why                                                               
his  interest has  changed from  the  Board of  Fisheries to  the                                                               
Board of Game and how that  experience will help him serve on the                                                               
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUNTINGTON responded that while  on the Board of Fisheries he                                                               
made regulations that helped the  fisheries throughout the state,                                                               
and he heard all sides of  complicated issues.  He said he needed                                                               
more time to be at home with his  family and to work.  He offered                                                               
his belief that the Board of  Fisheries process is in good hands.                                                               
He stated  he would do a  good job representing the  interests of                                                               
all Alaskans on the Board of  Game because of his experience as a                                                               
subsistence user,  as a hunter  and trapper, and as  an assistant                                                               
to guides.  Additionally, he  continued, he has an extensive fish                                                               
and wildlife background and he is  doing a lot of work in climate                                                               
change.  He noted  he would be able to work  on the shortfalls in                                                               
fisheries and wildlife that are occurring in Alaska.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:31:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RASMUSSEN inquired  whether Mr.  Huntington feels                                                               
he has any conflicts of interest.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUNTINGTON  answered no  and referred  members to  his ethics                                                               
statement.   He  said usually  if he  has a  conflict, he  states                                                               
right out that he does.  He added  that he used to hunt a lot and                                                               
gets along with  the guides.  With the  agencies fighting amongst                                                               
themselves, he said, it's hard to  get the regulations to be fair                                                               
- for  example, fisheries in  state waters    and it will  be the                                                               
same for the Board of Game in looking out for all the people.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RASMUSSEN  asked what  Mr. Huntington sees  as the                                                               
biggest issue or topic for the board over the next year or two.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUNTINGTON replied  it is  the migration  northward of  many                                                               
species  and other  species, like  caribou, are  being threatened                                                               
with extinction.   He added that a lot of  predator management is                                                               
being done from  other places and not by Alaskans,  and he thinks                                                               
Alaskans can manage  them just fine if laws are  kept on the book                                                               
and made stronger.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:33:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  inquired about Mr.  Huntington's thoughts  on what                                                               
the Board  of Game can do  to look into some  of these threatened                                                               
populations  as  well  as the  controversial  issue  of  predator                                                               
control in relation to threatened populations.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HUNTINGTON responded  that it  is difficult  to look  at any                                                               
population  unbiased.   He said  there  are many  users of  these                                                               
resources that put pressures  on them, but a lot of  it has to do                                                               
with  climate  change  and  not  because of  any  user  group  or                                                               
government; it  is just happening  over time.  The  more flexible                                                               
the management that is had the  better, he continued.  If all the                                                               
users and agencies  work together, the better off in  the long it                                                               
will  be to  protect the  rights of  people to  keep hunting  and                                                               
fishing  into the  future.    He stated  he  doesn't think  about                                                               
controversy too much -  if it can be defended in  court and if it                                                               
is a proposal  that is worthy of considering for  all the people,                                                               
then it is fine.   He added he doesn't think  it's worth going in                                                               
to fight just to fight.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR remarked that this would  be a great person to have                                                               
on the board because some of  the issues are so difficult to work                                                               
through.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:35:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took  a brief at-ease.  [CO-CHAIR  TARR turned over                                                               
the gavel to Vice Chair Hopkins.]                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:36:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR HOPKINS called the meeting back to order.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:36:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AL BARRETTE, Appointee,  Board of Game, began  his testimony with                                                               
a short family history.  He  said he learned to responsibly hunt,                                                               
trap, and  fish as  a youth with  his father.   He served  in the                                                               
military as  a mechanic,  he related, and  during his  service he                                                               
was transferred  to Fairbanks  where he  had wanted  to be  for a                                                               
long time.   When discharged in  1992, he stated, he  started his                                                               
fur tannery  business in Fairbanks,  and through his  business he                                                               
began  interacting   with  the  public  and   hearing  about  the                                                               
complexity of regulations and why things existed as they did.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE said he found  niches in the community to supplement                                                               
his  business, such  as  the  shipping of  meat  and antlers  for                                                               
nonresident hunters, and the manufacture  of traps, a business he                                                               
sold about  five years ago.   In  1995 he began  getting involved                                                               
with the  Board of Game  process, he continued.   In 2005  he was                                                               
elected to the Fairbanks Fish  and Game Advisory Committee, where                                                               
he has  served as  chair of the  trapping subcommittee,  chair of                                                               
the game  subcommittee, and  sat on several  working groups.   He                                                               
stated this  is his foundational basis  to understanding process,                                                               
public  involvement, management,  learning laws  and regulations,                                                               
biology, subsistence,  sustained yield principles,  and providing                                                               
wild resources for future generations in Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE stated that in 2007  he received his Class A guide's                                                               
license so he  could temporarily fill in whenever  a guide needed                                                               
an assistant guide or registered guide.   He said he continues to                                                               
subsistence  trap to  supplement his  income and  he teaches  fur                                                               
handling and  trapping methods.   He  also educates  people about                                                               
the advisory committee process and the Board of Game, he added.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE stated  he  applied to  the Board  of  Game at  the                                                               
urging  of others  who said  he  had good  knowledge of  wildlife                                                               
management around  the state.  He  said he would be  a good board                                                               
member  because   he  understands  sustained   yield  principles,                                                               
protecting   subsistence   opportunities,   the   complexity   of                                                               
statutory  law,   and  the   importance  of   advisory  committee                                                               
participation in the board process,  and the importance of public                                                               
knowledge.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:42:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RASMUSSEN   related  that  according   to  public                                                               
testimony received  by the committee,  Mr. Barrette  is perceived                                                               
to  support  the  perspectives   of  nonresident  hunters.    She                                                               
requested  Mr.  Barrette's  thoughts  in  regard  to  nonresident                                                               
versus resident  hunters.  She  further requested  Mr. Barrette's                                                               
thoughts on how  non-consumptive users play into his  view of how                                                               
the Board of Game should be regulating Alaska's resources.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE replied he believes  harvestable surpluses above and                                                               
beyond  the  state's  harvest objectives  allow  for  nonresident                                                               
opportunity, and  in these  situations, he  supports nonresidents                                                               
being  able to  participate in  this state.   In  regard to  non-                                                               
consumptive users,  he said he thinks  the Board of Game  has the                                                               
obligation  to  manage  wildlife  on  a  sustained  yield  basis.                                                               
Having healthy  populations of  ungulates and  predators benefits                                                               
all  users in  Alaska, he  stated, because  people get  to watch,                                                               
use, and consume them.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:44:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ noted there  has been some concern about                                                               
Mr. Barrette's  commitment to supporting a  subsistence priority.                                                               
She requested Mr. Barrette to address that.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE responded he supports  and upholds the statutory law                                                               
that  gives preference  to subsistence  users, the  highest level                                                               
the state  has, and therefore  he doesn't understand  why someone                                                               
would think he doesn't support subsistence.   He added that he is                                                               
a person who promotes subsistence in the state.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ  offered  her  understanding  that  Mr.                                                               
Barrette  authored and  supported  joint proposals  in 2013  that                                                               
would  have  created  non-subsistence  areas  around  Bethel  and                                                               
Kodiak.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE confirmed he authored  three proposals for the joint                                                               
board in 2013.   He said two proposals asked  the joint boards to                                                               
review the  credentials for  establishing a  non-subsistence area                                                               
in Kodiak and  Bethel, and one proposal asked to  reduce the size                                                               
of the Fairbanks non-subsistence area.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ said  authoring a  proposal that  would                                                               
create a non-subsistence  area around Bethel is  probably core to                                                               
the  concern  about  Mr. Barrette's  commitment  to  subsistence,                                                               
given the  people of the  Yukon-Kuskokwim Delta Region  have been                                                               
hunting and  fishing in  that area  for over  10,000 years.   She                                                               
stated that  the creation of  a non-subsistence  area surrounding                                                               
the  hub community  of this  region is  deeply concerning  to the                                                               
people of  the community, and she  is not surprised that  lots of                                                               
concern  is  being  raised about  Mr.  Barrette's  commitment  to                                                               
subsistence.  She asked Mr. Barrette to address that.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE answered  it was  only to  bring discussion  to the                                                               
joint board that they go  through the criteria of establishing or                                                               
not establishing a  non-subsistence area.  He  maintained that in                                                               
no  way and  in no  manner does  a non-subsistence  area preclude                                                               
anybody  who  lives  within  that   area  from  participating  in                                                               
subsistence.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ stated  it  is  confusing because  when                                                               
talking about  managing Alaska's resources for  maximum sustained                                                               
yield, increasing  competition in an  area could be  perceived as                                                               
reducing  the   available  resource   to  subsistence   users  by                                                               
introducing additional hunters  who are not relying  on that food                                                               
for their living.   Noting that in October 2013  the community of                                                               
Bethel  unanimously opposed  Mr. Barrette's  proposal, she  asked                                                               
whether Mr.  Barrette had consulted  the community  when drafting                                                               
the proposal.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE replied he did not  consult; it was something he was                                                               
reading, and  he was looking  at the criteria for  establishing a                                                               
non-subsistence area.   He said  the proposal stated that  it may                                                               
appear the Bethel  area could be designated  as a non-subsistence                                                               
area.   The  joint boards  discussed it  at full  length at  that                                                               
meeting, he continued, and the proposal failed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ  said that  when talking  about changing                                                               
the use of  limited resource in a community, it  strikes her that                                                               
wise policy  would be  to start by  communicating with  people in                                                               
that region, particularly when someone  from another community is                                                               
proposing something that would impact  that community.  She asked                                                               
Mr. Barrette  to provide an  example of  how he would  uphold the                                                               
state's current statutes requiring a subsistence priority.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE responded  by using himself as an example.   He said                                                               
he resides in  a Fairbanks non-subsistence area and  for the last                                                               
several years  he has  received a Tier  II moose  hunting permit,                                                               
which is the subsistence permit for  the Yukon Flats area that is                                                               
limited to  only a handful  of permits.   He stated  he qualifies                                                               
even though he lives in a  non-subsistence area and he is able to                                                               
provide  for  his  family  and to  practice  and  participate  in                                                               
subsistence.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ  stated Mr. Barrette's  response doesn't                                                               
answer her question.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:49:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN noted  that during  previous presentations                                                               
before  the Board  of  Game,  Mr. Barrette  has  been engaged  in                                                               
discussions about  predator control.   She asked Mr.  Barrette to                                                               
discuss what  actions he might  see and propose before  the board                                                               
for  predator control  in  Interior Alaska  and  in buffer  zones                                                               
around Denali National Park and Preserve.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE answered  that as  a board  member his  position is                                                               
spelled  out  in   statute  and  his  vote  would   be  based  on                                                               
information  provided by  professional biologists  in the  Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  requested Mr.  Barrette to share  his past                                                               
advocacy positions  before the board.   She further  inquired how                                                               
Mr. Barrette  would separate  his personal  advocacy of  the past                                                               
and his position as a Board of Game member on that issue.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  replied that when  he testifies and  makes comments                                                               
dealing with  intensive management (IM) he  is usually reflecting                                                               
back onto the statute that  directs the board, ADF&G, or advisory                                                               
committees to make viable comments on.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:51:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK recalled  that  Mr. Barrette  served on  the                                                               
board in  the past and talked  about predator control.   He asked                                                               
what  the best  time period,  or  season, is  for doing  predator                                                               
control on wolves.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  responded that predator  control is  most effective                                                               
when snow is on the ground,  so [the best time would be] November                                                               
until the end of March or  maybe April, depending on when breakup                                                               
occurs.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK inquired why snow on the ground helps.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE answered that the  existing predator control program                                                               
uses aircraft to locate wolves,  so the wolves aren't camouflaged                                                               
against  the  snow  like  they  would  be  when  there  is  leafy                                                               
vegetation  or bare  ground.   Additionally, he  said, recovering                                                               
the wolves  that have been  harvested is more accessible  with an                                                               
airplane with skis than an airplane with rubber wheels.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK said he has  seen reports by state biologists                                                               
that spring  is the best  time of  year because if  harvested too                                                               
early in  the season the wolves  will come back too  soon to have                                                               
effective predator control.   He noted there has  been debate and                                                               
politics around trying  to harvest wolves in the  fall when their                                                               
coats  are much  fluffier.   But  that is  not  the intention  of                                                               
predator control,  he continued,  and so he  would think  that in                                                               
the spring sometime  after March would provide  enough snow cover                                                               
for airplanes as well as the wolves not being camouflaged.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:53:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR HOPKINS related that  some letters say Mr. Barrette is                                                               
eligible  to be  hired as  an aerial  gunner for  aerial predator                                                               
control.  He  asked whether Mr. Barrette is still  eligible to be                                                               
hired to do that job.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE replied he  does not hold a permit.   If it is being                                                               
insinuated that  eligibility requires a permit,  he continued, he                                                               
hasn't had a permit to be  an aerial gunner for about five years,                                                               
but that he could apply as could any other Alaskan.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  HOPKINS stated there  was no insinuation;  rather, he                                                               
was trying to clarify the conflict  of interest issues.  He asked                                                               
whether Mr.  Barrette, as a  member of  the Board of  Game, would                                                               
sign up to  be an aerial gunner  or would see that  as a conflict                                                               
of interest, given he would be voting on those issues.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  responded no, he  wouldn't sign up, and  hasn't for                                                               
the last five years due to his commitment to work and family.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:54:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ recalled  Mr.  Barrette describing  his                                                               
subsistence hunting as  a supplement to his income.   She offered                                                               
her understanding  that it is illegal  to sell meat or  furs that                                                               
are procured through subsistence.   She requested Mr. Barrette to                                                               
clarify his description.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  answered that if  he said hunting, he  misspoke, as                                                               
it  is  subsistence  trapping  that he  does  to  supplement  his                                                               
income.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ requested Mr.  Barrette to describe what                                                               
subsistence trapping entails.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  replied that  the furbearers in  the area  where he                                                               
traps are  classified as  customary and  traditional uses  and he                                                               
uses those  furs and sells  those furs  either at auctions  or to                                                               
private individuals to supplement his lifestyle.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:56:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  HOPKINS noted  there were  some conflict  of interest                                                               
questions when Mr. Barrette was  up for confirmation to the Board                                                               
of Game  in 2010.   He asked  whether Mr. Barrette  has addressed                                                               
those questions since then.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE responded that one  thing of controversy was that he                                                               
was  manufacturing and  producing traps.   However,  he said,  he                                                               
sold that  business about  five years ago  and doesn't  intend to                                                               
start  it again.   He  stated  he doesn't  see where  there is  a                                                               
conflict  as far  as  his fur  tannery,  guiding operations,  and                                                               
subsistence trapping.   But, he continued, if there is  a unit or                                                               
a species  that is particularly close  to him, he will  ensure he                                                               
makes comments  in his ethics  statement at the beginning  of the                                                               
meeting and allow  the Board of Game chairman  and the Department                                                               
of Law to determine whether he should be recused.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:57:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK recalled  Mr. Barrette's  proposal to  allow                                                               
the baiting  of bears  in the  state and  that the  proposal gave                                                               
preference  to commercial  guides  and  nonresidents by  allowing                                                               
them ten bait stations and residents  only two.  He requested Mr.                                                               
Barrette to explain why he made that proposal.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  offered his belief  that that was not  his proposal                                                               
and  that  it  was  a  proposal generated  through  a  town  hall                                                               
gathering after  a meeting to  hash out bear baiting  issues with                                                               
baits and  that there were  also several  other things.   He said                                                               
[the  proposal]  is what  came  out  of  a subcommittee  after  a                                                               
meeting with new draft language.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK stated that  Mr. Barrette definitely endorsed                                                               
the proposal  even if he didn't  make it.  He  asked Mr. Barrette                                                               
to explain why he endorsed and advocated for the proposal.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE answered:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     There was a town hall meeting,  I'll call it that ... a                                                                    
     subcommittee  meeting  after  ...  the  board  chairman                                                                    
     produces and all stakeholders show  up and sit around a                                                                    
     table  and then  negotiate  and  compromise what  would                                                                    
     satisfy the  most user groups  and still allow  all the                                                                    
     opportunity that  we can,  and so  I voted  for it.   I                                                                    
     didn't  promote  it,  but  I  respected  the  committee                                                                    
     substitute language that came out of that.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:59:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ  asked whether in the  past Mr. Barrette                                                               
has opposed  traditional use tags  for funeral potlatches  and to                                                               
explain why if he has.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE replied no, he has not.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:59:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR   HOPKINS  opened  public   testimony  for   the  two                                                               
appointees to the Board of Game.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:00:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RON  SOMERVILLE, Spokesperson,  Territorial Sportsmen,  testified                                                               
he is  delivering a  letter from his  organization in  support of                                                               
all  the  nominees  to  the  Board  of  Game  and  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.   The reason for  this support,  he said, is  that the                                                               
nominations provide  a balance on  the board and provide  a broad                                                               
spectrum throughout the state.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SOMERVILLE  pointed out  there is  a law  requiring intensive                                                               
management and  - unless [legislators]  change the law  - someone                                                               
shouldn't be [criticized]  for following this law.   He stated he                                                               
served four  years on [former  governor] Jay Hammond's  "D-2 task                                                               
force" and  worked for ADF&G  for 24  years.  He  was responsible                                                               
for the boundaries  and almost all the mapping that  was done, he                                                               
said, and the boundaries finalized  in the [1980] Alaska National                                                               
Interest  Conservation  Act (ANILCA)  were  accepted  by all  the                                                               
conservation  organizations.   The core  of Denali  National Park                                                               
was expanded by preserve and that was the buffer, he added.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SOMERVILLE related  that he  was  sitting on  the [Board  of                                                               
Game] when it rejected expanding  the buffer to cover wolf packs.                                                               
Later the  board adopted  it, he  continued, and  then apparently                                                               
rejected it  when Mr.  Barrette was  on the board.   He  said his                                                               
point  is that  "you can't  keep going  back and  modifying these                                                               
boundaries."   The  approximately  120 million  acres of  federal                                                               
land in  Alaska take away the  state's management, he said.   The                                                               
Denali "wolf pack  thing" is an anomaly and is  important for the                                                               
purposes of  enhancing the park,  he added, but wolves  are going                                                               
to  move in  and out  of these  boundaries.   He maintained  that                                                               
asking for more buffers is  unreasonable and that Mr. Barrette is                                                               
being penalized because he stuck  with these original boundaries.                                                               
He stated his organization supports Mr. Barrette.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:03:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  requested  Mr. Somerville  to  explain  the                                                               
buffer zone and his concerns with it.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SOMERVILLE replied that a good  part of the opposition to Mr.                                                               
Barrette has  to do with the  trapping of wolves from  the Denali                                                               
pack  when  they  wandered  outside  [the  boundaries];  but,  he                                                               
reiterated,   all  the   environmental   groups  accepted   those                                                               
boundaries when [ANILCA]  was passed.  He stated  that the buffer                                                               
environmentalists wanted, and agreed to,  for [the Denali] packs,                                                               
some of  the Interior packs, and  some of the caribou  and moose,                                                               
was in the  preserve and it happens  to be near the  park and the                                                               
road system.   He said he always  tells the Board of  Game to not                                                               
modify  these boundaries  because doing  that penalizes  Alaskans                                                               
because "we bought a compromise back in 1980."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK inquired  whether expanding  and contracting                                                               
buffers  could be  considered  a  part of  the  role of  predator                                                               
control/intensive management or is just off the table.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SOMERVILLE  allowed it could be  a part of it,  but said that                                                               
in most cases  it is not.   He noted he was serving  on the Board                                                               
of Game  when the  state's predator  control program  was started                                                               
again,  and said  the areas  were carefully  selected, had  local                                                               
support, and had  a good chance of success.   The state had money                                                               
to follow  up and monitor the  program, he added.   He maintained                                                               
that there isn't that much  predator control throughout the state                                                               
and that the conflicts are  mostly with the federal agencies that                                                               
refuse to provide predator control to benefit subsistence users.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  stated he  lives less  than a  mile from                                                               
the  previous buffer  zone  and lives  inside  the last  proposed                                                               
buffer zone.   He offered to provide information and  maps to any                                                               
committee members who might be interested.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:06:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIN DAVIS  testified she has followed  the Board of Game  and its                                                               
decisions over the years, and  except for one two-year period she                                                               
has  been  concerned  that  no board  has  represented  her  non-                                                               
consumptive wildlife appreciator point of  view.  She stated that                                                               
nothing  said by  Mr. Barrette  today convinced  her he  would be                                                               
looking out  for Alaskans who  do not wish  to kill, and  in many                                                               
cases egregiously  kill, these  animals or eat  them.   She added                                                               
that Mr.  Barrette didn't  say anything  very specific  or viable                                                               
that would help  her feel he would represent her.   She expressed                                                               
her concern that  Mr. Barrette has a history  of unusual behavior                                                               
and  comments.   She  urged  the  committee  to not  approve  Mr.                                                               
Barrette's  appointment and  that someone  more ethical  and more                                                               
responsive to the public be found.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RASMUSSEN requested Ms.  Davis to elaborate on her                                                               
statement about Mr. Barrette's unusual behavior and comments.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  responded there is a  video of Mr. Barrett  skinning a                                                               
wolf.   She said  some things  are too hard  to even  talk about.                                                               
There is the statement that he  would love to take a snow machine                                                               
and drive  along the border and  harvest wolves.  She  stated she                                                               
feels that  people don't  need to sport  those kinds  of comments                                                               
when they  are doing professional  work for the  state's wildlife                                                               
and for the people of Alaska.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RASMUSSEN  offered  her  understanding  that  Mr.                                                               
Barrette makes his living as  a tanner and therefore her question                                                               
is  how that  would be  considered  unusual behavior  for him  to                                                               
video himself doing his work of skinning a wolf.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  answered it was what  Mr. Barrette said and  the tone.                                                               
There is a  way of alienating people with his  sporting doing it,                                                               
she said,  because he  knows many people  in Alaska  really prize                                                               
the wolves and  it's a lifetime best to travel  to Alaska and see                                                               
a wolf in the wild.   It seemed immature and inappropriate and it                                                               
seems there  have been a  number of those things,  she continued.                                                               
She urged selecting someone more professional.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:10:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE   TINKER,   Spokesperson,   Alaska   Wildlife   Conservation                                                               
Association,   testified  that   his  organization   drafted  the                                                               
intensive  management statute  to help  the Alaska  Department of                                                               
Fish  and Game  focus on  managing game  resources for  Alaskans'                                                               
uses.   He stated  that a  more abundant  wildlife resource  is a                                                               
much more  productive job to  manage and  to allocate, as  is the                                                               
job  and  authority   of  the  Board  of  Game.     He  said  his                                                               
organization  supports appointing  Alaskans  who are  experienced                                                               
hunters,  trappers,  and  wildlife   users,  and  who  have  been                                                               
involved  in  management  of  the   regulatory  system,  such  as                                                               
advisory  committee  members  and participants  in  organizations                                                               
that  support wildlife.    He maintained  that  those opposed  to                                                               
hunting and  trapping are always  critical of skinning  an animal                                                               
to get the value out of the fur.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. TINKER said  Mr. Barrette is the best  qualified appointee to                                                               
the  Board of  Game that  he  has seen  in his  three decades  of                                                               
involvement.   It is a  political process, he continued,  but Mr.                                                               
Barrette is  the least political person  he knows.  He  noted Mr.                                                               
Barrette  has served  on  the Fairbanks  Fish  and Game  Advisory                                                               
Committee,  has participated  on  teams in  complex matters,  and                                                               
volunteers to help trappers and hunters at the fur auctions.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TINKER stated  that regulations are on the book  in regard to                                                               
communities  meeting  the  criteria  for  non-subsistence  areas.                                                               
Looking at the [regulations] doesn't  mean a person is advocating                                                               
for  non-subsistence  areas, he  said;  it  is merely  asking  to                                                               
follow the  criteria to  look at  them and  Mr. Barrette  was not                                                               
pushing for non-subsistence areas.   He refuted that Mr. Barrette                                                               
ever said anything about driving along on a snow machine.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. TINKER addressed  the appointment of Mr.  Huntington and said                                                               
he  is an  experienced board  member  from having  served on  the                                                               
Board  of   Fisheries.    He   expressed  appreciation   for  Mr.                                                               
Huntington  agreeing to  continue  his service  on  the Board  of                                                               
Game.  He  stated Mr. Huntington is an  appointee who understands                                                               
the  values of  subsistence and  the needs  of other  Alaskans to                                                               
participate in the  harvest, whether it is with a  camera or some                                                               
fatal  means.     He  urged  the  committee's   support  of  both                                                               
appointees and noted that Alaska  statute directs appointments be                                                               
made and confirmed without regard to political affiliation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:15:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  surmised Board of Game  applicants would                                                               
have  some experience  in the  field of  taking or  harvesting or                                                               
some sort of connection with game,  and unless a person was doing                                                               
that, he/she  wouldn't know much  about what  is going on  in the                                                               
board and how  it all interrelates.  He asked  Mr. Tinker whether                                                               
this is a fair statement.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. TINKER  replied it  is a  fair statement.   He cited  his own                                                               
years of experience as an  advisory committee member and attendee                                                               
at Board of Game and Board  of Fisheries meetings, and said he is                                                               
a hunter and trapper.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:17:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR, Spokesperson, Fairbanks  Fish and Game Advisory                                                               
Committee,  Alaska Department  of Fish  and Game,  testified that                                                               
the   advisory  committee   unanimously  supports   all  of   the                                                               
governor's appointees to both the Board  of Game and the Board of                                                               
Fisheries.   He  said  Mr.  Barrette has  been  a  member of  the                                                               
Fairbanks advisory committee  for about 15 years.   He added that                                                               
Mr. Barrette  has a copy  of the codified regulations,  knows how                                                               
to use  them, and educates  the public about hunting  and fishing                                                               
regulations and the regulatory process.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. UMPHENOUR stated  he has known Mr. Huntington  and his family                                                               
for many  years.  He  noted that Mr. Huntington's  uncle, Sydney,                                                               
served on the boards and worked  on the salmon treaty with Canada                                                               
for the Yukon River.  He stated his support for Mr. Huntington.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. UMPHENOUR  related that he  served on the committee  that the                                                               
Board of Game chairman called to  come up with a solution on bear                                                               
baiting issues.   He said the committee worked in  the evening at                                                               
that meeting with  members of the public and hunting  guides.  He                                                               
said  he is  a master  hunting guide  and stated  it was  at this                                                               
meeting  that the  committee came  up with  10 bait  stations for                                                               
registered guides  and their clients,  rather than trying  to get                                                               
clients to come  into the Alaska Department of Fish  and Game and                                                               
register.   He said  the department participated  and it  was the                                                               
department,  the public,  and the  board that  came up  with this                                                               
solution for bear baiting stations.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:22:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  RICHARDS, Executive  Director, Resident  Hunters of  Alaska                                                               
(RHAK), testified in support of  Mr. Barrette and Mr. Huntington,                                                               
appointees  to  the Board  of  Game.    He  stated he  knows  Mr.                                                               
Huntington from the  Board of Fisheries and  was always impressed                                                               
by  Mr. Huntington's  conduct, reasoning,  and rational  approach                                                               
during deliberations on controversial issues.   He added that Mr.                                                               
Huntington's time  on the  Board of Fisheries  means he  can step                                                               
right into a  Board of Game seat.  He  said Mr. Huntington brings                                                               
a  wealth of  knowledge about  hunting practices  and subsistence                                                               
issues to the table.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS addressed  Representative Rasmussen's question about                                                               
how  Mr.  Barrette  treats residents  versus  nonresidents.    He                                                               
recalled Mr. Barrette's answer as being  that as long as there is                                                               
a surplus everyone  should be able to participate.   Mr. Richards                                                               
said   his  organization   disagrees  with   the  allowance   for                                                               
nonresidents to take 80 percent  of the sheep in Interior Alaska.                                                               
He  noted that  RHAK doesn't  only support  appointees who  agree                                                               
with  the  organization;  rather  the  support  is  based  on  an                                                               
appointee's  knowledge and  experience  in  hunting and  wildlife                                                               
management issues.   He related that he serves  with Mr. Barrette                                                               
on the  Fairbanks Fish and  Game Advisory Committee and  said Mr.                                                               
Barrette is known  for his knowledge of fish and  game issues and                                                               
regulations,  and  stated  he  cannot   think  of  anyone  better                                                               
qualified to serve on the Board of Game.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:24:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE KLUTSCH testified  he has been an active  hunting and fishing                                                               
guide  since  1976  and  has   served  nearly  40  years  on  the                                                               
Naknek/Kvichak Fish and Game Advisory  Committee.  He said he has                                                               
attended  countless  Board  of  Game,  Board  of  Fisheries,  and                                                               
regional council  subsistence meetings and is  therefore familiar                                                               
with board  process, as  well as  wildlife management  in Alaska,                                                               
particularly in his region of the  state.  He offered his support                                                               
for the  appointments of Mr.  Huntington and Mr. Barrette  to the                                                               
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLUTSCH stated  Mr. Huntington has a family  heritage that is                                                               
amazing  in its  years of  dedication, understanding  of Alaska's                                                               
wildlife, and service by family members  to the Board of Game and                                                               
the Board of  Fisheries.  He said Mr.  Huntington is particularly                                                               
knowledgeable and sensitive to the  needs and lifestyles of rural                                                               
residents  and offers  a tremendous  balance  to the  board.   He                                                               
expressed his wholehearted support of Mr. Huntington.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLUTSCH  said Mr. Barrette is  an unquestionably accomplished                                                               
outdoorsman who  is knowledgeable on subjects  of game management                                                               
and the  codified regulations and  process.  It isn't  just about                                                               
what a  person feels  about things, he  continued; a  person must                                                               
know  about the  process  to be  effective.   He  added that  Mr.                                                               
Barrette would  serve the  state and all  user groups  very well.                                                               
He offered  his opinion that  both appointees would  put wildlife                                                               
conservation and  hunting opportunities for all  Alaska residents                                                               
first and that they have the time and willingness to do this.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLUTSCH commented on the  points made by Mr. Somerville about                                                               
the history  of ANILCA  and how  the withdrawals  were made.   He                                                               
said  as  ANILCA  was  finalized  in  1980,  the  preserves  were                                                               
considered  as a  compromise and  were substantial  extensions to                                                               
all the parks.   Many new refuges and monuments  were created and                                                               
they themselves are buffers, he stated.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLUTSCH  addressed non-consumptive users and  opined there is                                                               
no such  thing as non-consumptive use.   Just because an  area is                                                               
closed to  hunting and trapping,  he said, doesn't  mean visitors                                                               
are not consumptive.   It is to the contrary,  he argued, because                                                               
more infrastructure  is required - buses,  roads, bridges, ranger                                                               
stations,  and Princess  tours.   That isn't  non-consumptive, he                                                               
continued,  it takes  space, infrastructure,  water, energy,  and                                                               
more.   He said he makes  these comments with all  due respect as                                                               
he understands  fully that many  people don't  appreciate hunting                                                               
and  trapping and  think hunting  is  incompatible with  wildlife                                                               
viewing.   But,  he  asserted,  they are  quite  compatible.   He                                                               
further argued that hunting is a wildlife watching exercise.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:31:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WAYNE   KUBAT,  Vice   President,  Alaska   Professional  Hunters                                                               
Association (APHA), testified that  his organization supports the                                                               
appointments of Mr.  Huntington and Mr. Barrette to  the Board of                                                               
Game  and that  their appointments  will provide  balance on  the                                                               
board.  He cited Mr.  Barrette's membership on the Fairbanks Fish                                                               
and   Game  Advisory   Committee   and  said   Mr.  Barrette   is                                                               
hardworking, fair,  knowledgeable on  wildlife issues,  and cares                                                               
about the  process.   He added  that Mr.  Barrette is  a lifelong                                                               
hunter  and  fisherman and  is  committed  to ensuring  that  all                                                               
Alaskans continue to have access to  fish and game resources.  He                                                               
said APHA is confident that Mr.  Barrette will be an asset to the                                                               
board and  will make  the personal sacrifice  of time  and energy                                                               
that serving on the board requires.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. KUBAT expressed APHA's belief that  it is important to have a                                                               
mix  of different  voices and  viewpoints on  the Board  of Game.                                                               
Decisions made  by the board  affect all Alaskans,  he continued,                                                               
but often  have the  greatest impact  on rural  areas.   For this                                                               
reason, APHA feels  it is particularly critical to  have a strong                                                               
rural voice,  he said, and  Mr. Huntington will bring  that voice                                                               
to  board deliberations.   He  noted  it is  challenging to  find                                                               
qualified  people willing  to serve  on the  board and  said APHA                                                               
appreciates  Mr.  Huntington's  willingness to  serve  and  looks                                                               
forward to getting to know him through the process.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:33:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY   MATTHIAS,  Director,   Natural  Resources,   Orutsararmiut                                                               
Traditional  Native  Council,  testified  in  opposition  to  Mr.                                                               
Barrette's appointment to the Board  of Game.  She cited Proposal                                                               
41, made by Mr. Barrette in  2013, and that would have designated                                                               
Bethel  as a  non-subsistence area.    She pointed  out that  the                                                               
people  of this  area  have practiced  subsistence for  millennia                                                               
[and the  proposal would have] impacted  the people's subsistence                                                               
use, culture, and economic culture.   She said [the council] does                                                               
not  want to  have officials  who  are openly  hostile to  Alaska                                                               
Native hunting and subsistence in  general, or who don't have the                                                               
best  intentions   in  recognizing   subsistence  values.     She                                                               
recommended  that if  Mr.  Barrette does  get  confirmed that  he                                                               
reach out to Bethel and  other southwest communities that rely on                                                               
subsistence for their food before  passing a proposal.  These are                                                               
traditional hunting  and fishing values, she  added.  Subsistence                                                               
is the  priority in this  area, she continued, and  [the council]                                                               
would like  to have officials  who are  there to serve  with best                                                               
intentions  and  not overrule  or  ignore  the rights  of  Alaska                                                               
Natives as subsistence users.   She related that many people from                                                               
her area  travel to attend Board  of Fisheries and Board  of Game                                                               
meetings,  and [board  members should]  listen when  these people                                                               
testify about  their needs  and why  they want  their subsistence                                                               
rights  protected  and  recognized.    Going  back  to  the  2013                                                               
proposal, she  said [these subsistence  rights and  needs] should                                                               
not be ignored or disregarded.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER thanked Ms. Matthias for her testimony.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:38:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR  HOPKINS  invited  the  appointees  to  make  closing                                                               
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:39:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HUNTINGTON  stated he would  do his  utmost to carry  out the                                                               
duties of being on the Board of  Game, as he has an obligation to                                                               
do so.  He said the last  testimony really hit home in that there                                                               
is a lot  of cultural significance in all that  rural Alaskans do                                                               
and  he really  understands those  issues since  he was  born and                                                               
raised in it.   But he is also a scientist,  he continued, and he                                                               
understands  the issues  of  the Alaska  Department  of Fish  and                                                               
Game, works closely  with ADF&G, and looks forward  to helping as                                                               
much as he can.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE thanked committee members for their questions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:40:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR closed  public testimony  after  ascertaining no  one                                                               
else wished to testify.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:40:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SPOHNHOLZ   paraphrased   from   the   following                                                               
statement:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  House Resources  Standing  Committee has  reviewed                                                                    
     the  qualifications  for   the  governor's  appointees,                                                                    
     Orville  Huntington and  Al Barrette,  to the  Board of                                                                    
     Game and  recommends that the  names be forwarded  to a                                                                    
     joint  session  for  consideration.     This  does  not                                                                    
     reflect intent  by any  member present  to vote  for or                                                                    
     against these  individuals during any  further sessions                                                                    
     for the purpose of confirmation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:41:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:42 p.m.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Allen Francis Barrette Resume.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmation
Orville Huntington Biographical Sketch.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
BoG Appointees Letters of Support.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Letters of Opposition Combined 4.11.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
HB03 ver M amendment M.1.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
HB 3
HB 3 Sponsor Statement 3.12.2019.pdf HMLV 3/14/2019 2:00:00 PM
HMLV 3/26/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/5/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
HB 3
HB 3 Ver A 3.12.2019.pdf HMLV 3/14/2019 2:00:00 PM
HMLV 3/26/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/5/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
HB 3
HB 3 Ver M 3.12.2019.pdf HMLV 3/14/2019 2:00:00 PM
HMLV 3/26/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/5/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
HB 3
HB 3 Explanation of Changes 3.12.2019.pdf HMLV 3/14/2019 2:00:00 PM
HMLV 3/26/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/5/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
HB 3
HB 3 DOR Fiscal Note.pdf HMLV 3/26/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/5/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
HB 3
HB3 DNR Fiscal Note.pdf HMLV 3/26/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/3/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/5/2019 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
HB 3
Board of Game Supporting Document - RHAK Letter of Support Barrette & Huntington 4.12.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game
Barrette Supporting Document - Cummings Letter of Opposition 4.12.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Supporting Document - Banks Letter of Opposition 4.12.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Supporting Document - Faust Letter of Opposition 4.11.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Supporting Document - Kowalsky Letter of Opposition 4.12.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Supporting Document - Lindsey Letter of Opposition 4.11.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Supporting Document - Nicole Schmitt Letter of Opposition 4.12.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Supporting Document - Sarns Letter of Opposition 4.11.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Supporting Document - Schmitt Letter of Opposition 4.12.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Supporting Document - Strickland Letter of Opposition 4.11.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
BoG Appointees Letter of Support - Grove 4.12.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
BoG Appointees Letter of Support - KRSA 4.11.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
BoG Letter of Support - Van Saun 4.11.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrettee Supporting Document - Eckstein Letter of Opposition 4.12.19_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Appointments
Barrette Supporting Document - Bontempi Letter of Opposition 4.12.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrettee Supporting Document - Taylor Letter of Opposition 4.12.19_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Supporting Document - Warwick Letter of Opposition 4.12.19_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations
Barrette Supporting Document - Maiellaro Letter of Opposition 4.12.19.pdf HRES 4/12/2019 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game Confirmations