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+= HB 201 MUNICIPAL REGULATION OF TRAPPING TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 201(CRA) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
*+ HB 197 COMMUNITY SEED LIBRARIES TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled but Not Heard
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
*+ HB 217 RAW MILK SALES; FOOD EXEMPT FROM REGS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
*+ HB 218 STATE VETERINARIAN;ANIMALS;PRODUCTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 17, 2017                                                                                         
                           1:04 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Geran Tarr, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Dean Westlake, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
Representative Justin Parish                                                                                                    
Representative Chris Birch                                                                                                      
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative David Talerico                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Chenault (alternate)                                                                                        
Representative Chris Tuck (alternate)                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 201                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to municipal regulation of trapping; and                                                                       
providing for an effective date.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 201(CRA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 217                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to the Alaska Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act;                                                                    
relating to the sale of milk, milk products, raw milk, and raw                                                                  
milk products; and providing for an effective date."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL 218                                                                                                                  
"An Act relating to the state veterinarian and to animals and                                                                   
animal products."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 197                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to the duties of the commissioner of natural                                                                   
resources; relating to agriculture; and relating to community                                                                   
seed libraries."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 201                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MUNICIPAL REGULATION OF TRAPPING                                                                                   
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) JOSEPHSON                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
03/29/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/29/17       (H)       CRA, RES                                                                                               
04/11/17       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/11/17       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/11/17       (H)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
04/13/17       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/13/17       (H)       Moved CSHB 201(CRA) Out of Committee                                                                   
04/13/17       (H)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
04/14/17       (H)       CRA RPT CS(CRA) 2DP 2DNP 2NR                                                                           
04/14/17       (H)       DP: DRUMMOND, PARISH                                                                                   
04/14/17       (H)       DNP: RAUSCHER, TALERICO                                                                                
04/14/17       (H)       NR: WESTLAKE, FANSLER                                                                                  
04/14/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/14/17       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/14/17       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/17/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 217                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: RAW MILK SALES; FOOD  EXEMPT FROM REGS                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) TARR                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
04/07/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/07/17       (H)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
04/12/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/12/17       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
04/13/17       (H)       RES AT 5:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/13/17       (H)       <Bill Hearing Postponed to 4/14/17>                                                                    
04/14/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/14/17       (H)       <Bill Hearing Postponed>                                                                               
04/17/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 218                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: STATE VETERINARIAN;ANIMALS;PRODUCTS                                                                                
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) TARR                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
04/07/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/07/17       (H)       RES                                                                                                    
04/12/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/12/17       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
04/13/17       (H)       RES AT 5:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/13/17       (H)       <Bill Hearing Postponed to 4/14/17>                                                                    
04/14/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/14/17       (H)       <Bill Hearing Postponed>                                                                               
04/17/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 197                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: COMMUNITY SEED LIBRARIES                                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) JOHNSTON                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
03/24/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/24/17       (H)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
04/10/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/10/17       (H)       -- Testimony <Invitation Only> --                                                                      
04/12/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/12/17       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
04/13/17       (H)       RES AT 5:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/13/17       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
04/17/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
NICK STEEN                                                                                                                      
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 201.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KNEELAND TAYLOR                                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of CSHB 201(CRA).                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
AL BARRETTE                                                                                                                     
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 201.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ALPHEUS BULLARD, Attorney                                                                                                       
Legislative Legal Counsel                                                                                                       
Legislative Legal Services                                                                                                      
Legislative Affairs Agency                                                                                                      
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions regarding CSHB 201(CRA).                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINA CARPENTER, Director                                                                                                   
Division of Environmental Health                                                                                                
Department of Environmental Conservation                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions related to HB 218.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR KEYES, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Agriculture                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions related to HB 218.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHANNA HERRON, Development Specialist                                                                                          
Division of Agriculture                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Answered  a question  during the  hearing of                                                            
HB 218.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:04:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ANDY  JOSEPHSON  called  the  House  Resources  Standing                                                            
Committee  meeting   to  order  at  1:04  p.m.     Representatives                                                              
Josephson, Tarr,  Birch, Parish, Talerico, Rauscher,  and Westlake                                                              
were  present  at the  call  to  order.   Representative  Drummond                                                              
arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
            HB 201-MUNICIPAL REGULATION OF TRAPPING                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:04:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON announced  that  the first  order of  business                                                              
would  be  HOUSE BILL  NO.  201,  "An Act  relating  to  municipal                                                              
regulation  of trapping;  and  providing  for an  effective  date.                                                              
[Before the committee was CSHB 201(CRA).]                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:04:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON opened public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:04:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICK STEEN  testified in opposition to  HB 201.  He said  the bill                                                              
would  give  the  borough control  over  trapping  regulations  on                                                              
state  and/or federal  lands.   He stated  that this  would add  a                                                              
third  level of  potential law  or  regulations on  trapping in  a                                                              
given area  - state, federal, and  borough - and would  do nothing                                                              
to  correct a  perceived problem.   Mr.  Steen further  maintained                                                              
that  trap  identification  is  a  worthless  bit  of  information                                                              
because all  a trapper  has to do  is claim that  a trap  has been                                                              
stolen at  the beginning of the  season, and the trapper  is "home                                                              
free" for the  rest of the season.   He clarified he  isn't saying                                                              
trappers  are   illegal,  but  rather   it  is  an   unenforceable                                                              
regulation.   All the bill would  do is add more paperwork  to the                                                              
already existing  problem of too  many regulations on  hunting and                                                              
fishing in  the state.  For example,  when he came to  Alaska over                                                              
50 years  ago the regulations were  pocketbook sized, but  not any                                                              
longer.   He recognized  that things  are becoming  more and  more                                                              
involved because there  are more people, but said  more laws don't                                                              
make it better.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:06:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KNEELAND TAYLOR  testified in  strong support  of CSHB  201 (CRA).                                                              
He   said  it   is   an  excellent   bill   because  it   provides                                                              
clarification on  what a municipal  government can and  cannot do.                                                              
He  offered  his  belief that  municipalities  should  have  their                                                              
authority  clearly outlined  on  regulating the  placing of  traps                                                              
that can  cause injury and,  in particular,  injury to dogs.   The                                                              
idea that  the Board  of Game  and the  Alaska Department  of Fish                                                              
and  Game (ADF&G)  can  handle this  is  somewhat far-fetched,  he                                                              
continued.   It is a  mind-boggling task  on a statewide  basis to                                                              
identify literally  hundreds of  trails, hundreds of  small public                                                              
parks, and  densely populated  subdivisions where everyone  agrees                                                              
that  traps shouldn't  be placed.    It is  the local  governments                                                              
that have the  expertise and knowledge as to  whether traps should                                                              
be  placed at  the end  of a  particular street,  in a  particular                                                              
subdivision  inside that  municipality.   In the  case of  federal                                                              
lands, he  said, a  clear delineation of  what a local  government                                                              
can do  in terms  of setbacks  or placing  of traps  on trails  on                                                              
federal  lands  gives  those municipal  governments  a  chance  to                                                              
fight back  if the  federal government tries  to impose  its view.                                                              
It  is  an excellent  bill  because  it  would provide  for  local                                                              
control.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON, sponsor  of HB  201, referenced  a letter  of                                                              
opposition that the  committee received from Al  Barrette in which                                                              
Mr. Barrette  states that the Board  of Game can handle  this.  He                                                              
asked whether Mr.  Taylor is personally aware of  residents of the                                                              
Matanuska-Susitna  Borough  who  have drafted  proposals  to  deal                                                              
with the problem of dogs getting caught in traps.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR  replied  he is not  personally aware  of whether  they                                                              
have or  have not.  However,  he continued,  he was on a  Board of                                                              
Game subcommittee  that addressed  this issue  in 2002  and, after                                                              
many meetings with  trappers, board chairman Ted  Spraker said the                                                              
board did  not think this  issue was a  problem.  Four  years ago,                                                              
local  residents of  Cooper Landing  submitted a  proposal to  the                                                              
Board  of  Game   that  would  have  designated   several  trails,                                                              
trailheads,  and beach  along  Kenai Lake  as  places where  traps                                                              
could not be placed,  but that proposal was rejected.   In talking                                                              
with  board  members about  the  rejection  of that  proposal,  he                                                              
related,  it really  boiled down  to a people  issue.   Basically,                                                              
one  member of  the board,  Ted Spraker,  viewed it  as the  local                                                              
residents  asking for  too much  and therefore  they got  nothing.                                                              
It is a  far-fetched idea, he  reiterated, that the Board  of Game                                                              
will  be able to  do this  or would  be inclined  to assist  local                                                              
communities in handling this problem.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:11:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AL BARRETTE  testified in opposition  to HB  201.  If  enacted, he                                                              
said, it  would be  a competing statute  with Alaska  Statute (AS)                                                              
16.05.255,  Regulations of  the  Board of  Game,  under which  the                                                              
Board  of Game is  granted the  regulation of  wildlife, even  for                                                              
public safety.   Further, he continued, he has a  problem with two                                                              
competing authorities  creating regulations or  ordinances because                                                              
this  would hinder  trappers in  finding restriction  information.                                                              
The  current  trapping  regulation   handbook  distinguishes  what                                                              
trapping  restrictions  exist.   He  said municipalities  such  as                                                              
Fairbanks, Anchorage,  Valdez, Skagway,  and Prince of  Wales have                                                              
come  before the  Board  of Game  concerning  trapping issues  and                                                              
have received favorable  action by the board.   Not every proposal                                                              
before the  Board of Game gets  passed.  Proposals must  meet some                                                              
merits and input  is taken from regulation specialists  within the                                                              
Department of Law and other state agencies.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE stated  he specifically has an issue on  page 1, line                                                              
13, which  states, "trap  identification  requirements".   He said                                                              
this  provision  is unclear  and  it  could  be argued  what  that                                                              
actually means.   Terminology is everything  in a court  of law or                                                              
in regulations  or statute.   He then drew  attention to  the bill                                                              
on  page 2,  line 1,  which states,  "restrictions on  the use  of                                                              
types of  traps likely  to cause  injury or  damage to  persons or                                                              
property."    He said  he  doesn't  know  of  any trap  made  that                                                              
doesn't cause  injury, so he wonders  what trap is out  there that                                                              
would fit this definition if the bill were enacted.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  pointed out  that the bill  doesn't mention  the use                                                              
of  snares  and  said  there is  a  difference  in  definition  in                                                              
regulation between  a steel trap and  a snare.  He  suggested this                                                              
be clarified.   He  further pointed  out that  the bill  uses what                                                              
trapping  means by the  statutory definition  and maintained  that                                                              
this definition  only relates  to furbearers.   Other  animals are                                                              
classified as small  game, unclassified game, and  fur animals, he                                                              
continued,  and these  animals are  allowed to  be trapped  with a                                                              
trapping  license  or a  hunting  license.    This bill  has  many                                                              
complications,  he said,  including having  two governing  bodies,                                                              
one which has  been appointed and confirmed based  on knowledge of                                                              
wildlife resources,  and the  other that  is basically  elected by                                                              
their political views.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:14:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON surmised  Mr. Barrette  wants the  bill to  be                                                              
more expansive  because one  of Mr.  Barrette's positions  is that                                                              
municipalities should  not have any  authority, but when  it comes                                                              
to what municipalities  have authority over Mr.  Barrette wants to                                                              
expand the definition to even more mammals.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  replied that he  is pointing out  he is not  for the                                                              
bill as  written and that  he is further  pointing out  the errors                                                              
and complications in the bill should it be passed as written.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:15:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON recalled  Mr.  Barrette's  statement that  the                                                              
Board  of Game  responds to  municipal interests  in this  regard,                                                              
but stated  that he thinks  there is evidence  the board  does not                                                              
respond  to municipal  interests.    He inquired  why  there is  a                                                              
problem  with the  bill  if  the Board  of  Game does  respond  to                                                              
municipalities.  He  posed a scenario in which  a local government                                                              
is  concerned  for  public  safety,  which  is  within  the  local                                                              
purview, and wants  to regulate around a schoolyard.   He said Mr.                                                              
Barrette's position  is that the  board will accommodate  that and                                                              
therefore he doesn't understand the concern.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  responded that his  main issue is with  state lands.                                                              
He  offered his  belief that  Co-Chair Josephson  is correct  that                                                              
boroughs  and  municipalities  have   ownership  of  their  lands;                                                              
however, there have  been times when state land was  an issue.  He                                                              
recalled that  Juneau brought  a [proposal] to  the Board  of Game                                                              
that was  passed.  Municipalities  can write a proposal  and bring                                                              
it to  the board,  he continued.   It will  be vetted  through the                                                              
deliberation and  public comment processes  but there is  a chance                                                              
it  might not  pass,  which  happened  in Cooper  Landing's  case.                                                              
Justification was  put on record as  to why the board  didn't pass                                                              
it, he said, not all proposals get passed.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:17:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WESTLAKE  noted the  committee has been  working on                                                              
making this  back into  a local  control issue.   He said  he sees                                                              
where  Mr.  Barrette is  coming  from  and  that Mr.  Barrette  is                                                              
talking  about  state regulations  versus  municipal  regulations.                                                              
Representative  Westlake offered  his understanding  that if,  for                                                              
example,  his village wanted  to opt  in and  create its  own laws                                                              
and ordinances  for trapping within  the city limits, it  could do                                                              
that, and the  state would have  no real say, but beyond  the city                                                              
or borough limits  it would go back  over to the state.   He asked                                                              
Mr. Barrette whether he is misunderstanding something.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE answered  that he thinks Representative  Westlake has                                                              
it perfectly.  The  Board of Game controls state  land and private                                                              
property and the boroughs control their property.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:18:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  said he shares  Mr. Barrett's concerns.   He                                                              
related that  the Matanuska-Susitna  Borough has implemented  some                                                              
sort of local control  on trapping, as has Anchorage.   He offered                                                              
his  appreciation  for  Mr. Barrette's  concerns  and  said  local                                                              
control works well from his experience.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON asked  legal counsel  Alpheus Bullard  whether                                                              
snares  would  be  something a  local  government  could  regulate                                                              
under HB 201.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:19:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALPHEUS    BULLARD,   attorney,    Legislative   Legal    Counsel,                                                              
Legislative   Legal   Services,    Legislative   Affairs   Agency,                                                              
acknowledged it's  possible that the [regulation of  snares] is an                                                              
inadequacy  in this  legislation.   But  if it  is, he  continued,                                                              
it's  also  a  problem  in the  state's  fish  and  game  statutes                                                              
because  the definition  of trapping  that's provided  for all  of                                                              
Title 16  is referenced  in this  legislation and that  definition                                                              
of trapping  is what controls  what can  be taken with  a trapping                                                              
license.   So, he  added, if  snares are  allowed under  Title 16,                                                              
then  a  local   municipality  could  regulate  them   under  this                                                              
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON  noted the  committee has  an opinion  from the                                                              
Matanuska-Susitna  Borough attorney.   He requested  Mr. Bullard's                                                              
opinion  on whether  municipalities  have the  power within  their                                                              
purview to regulate trapping within their borders.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BULLARD responded  that  to  the extent  it  is a  legitimate                                                              
ordinance  and it  protects  human life  and  property within  the                                                              
municipality's boundaries,  it is  a legitimate local  concern and                                                              
well within the municipality's purview.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:21:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON  closed public testimony after  ascertaining no                                                              
one else wished to testify.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  inquired whether  he is correct  that the                                                              
bill does not reference private lands.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON  answered  that  the  bill  doesn't  speak  to                                                              
private lands  except by implication.   It would be a  heavy lift,                                                              
he said, for  a member of a  city council or assembly  to offer an                                                              
ordinance  to regulate  trapping  on someone's  private land;  but                                                              
there would be nothing prohibiting it in this bill.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER understood  there is nothing  prohibiting                                                              
that and asked whether that means it is inclusive.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON  replied it is  inclusive per page 1,  line 10.                                                              
He said bills that list everything become very long.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  stated he does not support  the bill because                                                              
it is unnecessary.   As said  by Mr. Bullard, he  continued, local                                                              
communities  can  take  care  of   themselves  and  can  implement                                                              
trapping  regulations   as  was  done  by   the  Matanuska-Susitna                                                              
[Borough].  He  said his preference is  that it be left  up to the                                                              
local communities to manage their own affairs.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:24:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO remarked that  it is  clear as mud  as to                                                              
where this will  fit in the actual charter code  of ordinances for                                                              
particular municipalities  and ordinances that they  have adopted.                                                              
[The  committee] could  probably  get a  legal opinion  to say  it                                                              
will  be land  use regulation  because theoretically  it could  be                                                              
said that an ordinance  has been written that traps  cannot be put                                                              
on the  ground in particular  spots.   However, he continued,  the                                                              
issue is that  most of the codes  for land use regulation  that he                                                              
is  familiar with  deal with  boundaries and  lines and  community                                                              
plans  and  that type  of  structure,  not restrictions  on  these                                                              
other things.   The other avenue,  he said, would probably  be the                                                              
adoption  of  public safety  powers.    However, whether  real  or                                                              
imagined, a fear  in smaller municipalities is that  if they adopt                                                              
public  safety powers  they are  not  far away  from losing  their                                                              
state trooper  when the  state then steps  in saying  that because                                                              
the  municipality  has  public  safety  powers it  must  now  take                                                              
responsibility.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO said  his biggest  issue has  to do  with                                                              
previous experience  in that he is  very defensive of Title  29 in                                                              
its current  form and the way it  is written.  Before  any changes                                                              
are made,  he continued, he  would have  to hear from  an enormous                                                              
number of municipalities  saying they need this  particular change                                                              
in Title  29.  He argued that  a municipality choosing  a trapping                                                              
ordinance  would  not  have enforcement  provided  by  the  Alaska                                                              
Wildlife  Troopers  because  these troopers  do  state  regulatory                                                              
issues.   He said he  opposes the bill,  but appreciates  the idea                                                              
of trying  to figure  out a  way to  resolve this  issue, but  the                                                              
bill does not resolve it for him.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON  responded he  takes the aforementioned  point,                                                              
but said  that if a municipality  passes an ordinance  and doesn't                                                              
wish to enforce it, it just will not be enforced very well.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:27:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WESTLAKE  inquired whether  HB  201, as  proposed,                                                              
would  grant  more  power  to municipalities  or  boroughs.    For                                                              
example,  he said,  whether it  would move  it over  to the  local                                                              
level  where the  local level  can  use these  powers and  enforce                                                              
these powers on their own.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BULLARD  answered  that  if the  legislation  is  passed  and                                                              
enacted, it  would be  in the general  powers in  AS 29.35  and it                                                              
would  provide   that  both   for  general   law  and   home  rule                                                              
municipalities,  this is  the power that  municipalities  have and                                                              
in that  way, it would  clear up  what power these  municipalities                                                              
have to enact an ordinance like this.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:29:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WESTLAKE  asked whether it would then  be up to the                                                              
municipality or borough to enforce these powers.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BULLARD  replied yes,  correct, it would  be completely  up to                                                              
whatever municipality that passed it to enforce it.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON  added that  a local  government would  have to                                                              
make  a legitimate  claim that  the restriction  was necessary  to                                                              
prevent injury  or damage to persons  or property and that  it was                                                              
in an area or location where that injury or damage could occur.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  said he  appreciates that "may"  was used                                                              
so many  times in the  bill and appreciates  that the  sponsor was                                                              
working  with municipalities  and  their  abilities  to choose  by                                                              
using  the   word  "may".     However,  he  continued,   what  the                                                              
legislature  does  with  people's  private property  and  how  the                                                              
legislature regulates  it is of worry  to him.  He said  he had an                                                              
amendment that  he didn't offer  because he didn't think  it would                                                              
have passed.  He  stated he is not in favor of  the bill, although                                                              
he appreciates that the sponsor is trying to work on a problem.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH  noted that the bill explicitly  expands the                                                              
authority of municipalities/local  governments into  an area where                                                              
it would be thought  that they already have the  authority to say,                                                              
for  example,  no  traps  near  the  local  school  regardless  of                                                              
whether  that  school  is  on  state  or  private  property.    He                                                              
recalled a  tragic story told  by Representative Westlake  about a                                                              
child who  came too close  to a cyanide  trap and the  child's dog                                                              
died but  the child was able  to rinse his  own eyes.  He  said he                                                              
thinks   it  appropriate   to  explicitly   give   the  power   to                                                              
municipalities to be  able to say that there are  some areas where                                                              
they do not  want traps that could  harm people or property.   The                                                              
sort of trap that  doesn't harm persons or property  would be live                                                              
traps, and these  types of traps are used frequently  for nuisance                                                              
animals.  He said it is a useful bill that he supports.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON noted  that HB  40 [a bill  he sponsored]  was                                                              
clearly a much  more ambitious bill in regard  to 200-foot buffers                                                              
near public  trails.  He  said the feedback  on HB 40 was  that it                                                              
should be  handled by  the local  governments and  so that  is the                                                              
bill now before  the committee.  The criticism of  HB 40 was vast,                                                              
he continued,  while the  criticism of HB  201, to his  knowledge,                                                              
has been restricted to a couple letters.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:34:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR moved  to  report CSHB  201(CRA)  out of  committee                                                              
with  individual  recommendations   and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                              
notes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO objected.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:35:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call  vote was taken.  Representatives  Westlake, Drummond,                                                              
Parish,  Tarr, and  Josephson  voted in  favor  of CSHB  201(CRA).                                                              
Representatives  Rauscher, Talerico, and  Birch voted  against it.                                                              
Therefore, CSHB  201 (CRA) was  reported from the  House Resources                                                              
Standing Committee by a vote of 5-3.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
[CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON passed the gavel to Co-Chair Tarr.]                                                                         
1:35:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:35 p.m. to 1:38 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          HB 217-RAW MILK SALES; FOOD EXEMPT FROM REGS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:38:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                              
HOUSE BILL  NO. 217, "An  Act relating  to the Alaska  Food, Drug,                                                              
and Cosmetic  Act; relating  to the sale  of milk, milk  products,                                                              
raw milk,  and raw milk products;  and providing for  an effective                                                              
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:38:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR,  prime  sponsor  of HB  217,  said  the  materials                                                              
provided in the  committee packet are to show her  intent with the                                                              
bill.  She recounted  that she first learned about  what is called                                                              
the  Food Freedom  Movement  when she  met  a representative  from                                                              
Wyoming.  In  2015 Wyoming became  the first state to  pass a food                                                              
freedom bill,  which has  now caught  on and  a number  of western                                                              
states have  legislation.  She explained  that the purpose  of the                                                              
legislation is to  allow for the sale and consumption  of homemade                                                              
foods, and  to encourage  the expansion  of agricultural  sales by                                                              
farmers markets, ranches, farms and homebased producers.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  related that the  Wyoming legislation  removed some                                                              
of  the regulatory  restrictions  on the  aforementioned types  of                                                              
sales.  If  this is done in  Alaska, she said, care  must be taken                                                              
that people's health  is not put at risk.  To  that end, Wyoming's                                                              
legislation includes  the words "informed" and "consumer".   These                                                              
products must  be properly  labeled so that  an individual  can be                                                              
an informed  consumer and  know what  product is being  purchased.                                                              
An  informed  consumer  who  knows  the  product  being  purchased                                                              
should  have  the right  to  choose  to  buy  that product.    She                                                              
pointed  out  that   foodborne  illness  has  not   eliminated  by                                                              
purchasing through grocery stores.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  explained that a  challenge in starting  a business                                                              
is  economies  of  scale  - it  is  difficult  to  produce  enough                                                              
initially to  be able  to get into  a grocery  store.   This means                                                              
instead  selling  through  subscribership  or farmers  markets  to                                                              
build  up  a  customer base  that  allows  expansion  into  retail                                                              
opportunities.   Restrictions  on sales  include [the  requirement                                                              
of  using]  a  certified  kitchen, she  said.    Entrepreneurs  in                                                              
Alaska are  renting kitchen  space from  restaurant owners  during                                                              
the  time when  the restaurant  is  closed, but  this is  limiting                                                              
because  there are  not  enough [restaurant  kitchens]  available.                                                              
Conversation  is   currently  ongoing  between  the   Division  of                                                              
Agriculture, Department  of Natural  Resources, and  the Anchorage                                                              
School  District about  using the  district's certified  [kitchen]                                                              
facility.    She said  HB  217 seeks  to  open  up some  of  those                                                              
opportunities.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:44:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR noted  that HB 217 also includes  provisions for raw                                                              
milk  that  were  previously  in  proposed HB  46,  a  bill  about                                                              
product procurement  preference statute  and marketing  for Alaska                                                              
Grown.   She explained that  it was decided  to split out  the raw                                                              
milk from  HB 46 and  put it into  HB 217  because HB 217  is more                                                              
about regulation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  reviewed the  provisions in HB  217.  She  said the                                                              
first section of  HB 217 includes statutory references  to some of                                                              
the  new things  that are  being  added, including  the raw  milk.                                                              
Section  2 is  about  raw milk  sales,  which,  she allowed,  some                                                              
people   find   controversial.     However,   she   pointed   out,                                                              
individuals  are  currently  able  to buy  raw  milk  through  cow                                                              
shares, which  is a  bit difficult to  manage and doesn't  provide                                                              
as much opportunity  for small-scale retail sales.   She said that                                                              
opening  up  raw  milk  sales  would   allow  direct  producer-to-                                                              
consumer sales with  [required product] labeling.   Someone having                                                              
concerns about  raw milk can  take it home  and boil it,  which is                                                              
essentially  pasteurization.    Also  accomplished  would  be  the                                                              
support of  an Alaskan  business and  Alaskan family with  dollars                                                              
that  will  stay   in  the  Alaskan  economy.     Section  3,  she                                                              
continued,  is  about the  exemptions.    It provides  that  these                                                              
products can  be sold but  must be sold  to the end  consumer, the                                                              
products  are only  for home  consumption and  not for  commercial                                                              
sales  in any  way, sales  occur only  within the  state, and  the                                                              
sale of  meat products  is not  involved except  for the  specific                                                              
exemptions  listed.    Section  3  includes  the  wording  of  the                                                              
information  that must  be provided  to the consumer  and  how the                                                              
wording must be displayed for the consumer to see and read.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR  stated  that since  passage  of  its  legislation,                                                              
Wyoming has been  a huge increase in local food  production sales,                                                              
access  to local  foods, and  economic development.   Interest  in                                                              
local food  production is growing  in Alaska, she  said.  It  is a                                                              
great business opportunity  and helps food security  and increases                                                              
in the aforementioned  would be great for Alaska.   She again drew                                                              
attention to  the various materials  and articles included  in the                                                              
committee  packet.   She  noted that  Colorado  entitled its  bill                                                              
"The  Cottage  Food  Act."   Other  states  are  doing  this,  she                                                              
continued,  and foodborne  illnesses have  not increased  in those                                                              
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  noted she is not  trying to move HB 217  today, but                                                              
rather  she is  providing  preliminary  information  on the  bill.                                                              
Over the  coming summer,  she said, she  will be engaging  farmers                                                              
and others in the bill so that further work can be done on it.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:50:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND said  she  shops at  the Spenard  Farmers                                                              
Market  near her home  in Anchorage,  at which  an organic  farmer                                                              
from Sutton  sells  her produce  every weekend.   She offered  her                                                              
understanding  that  this farmer  is  already allowed  to  produce                                                              
food at  her farm  and sell it  without a  license.  However,  she                                                              
continued,  this  farmer  is  finding  that  the  Municipality  of                                                              
Anchorage's  health department  is limiting  what can  be sold  in                                                              
the farmers  markets.   A way  must be  figured out  to set  these                                                              
farmers  free,  she  said,  because many  come  from  outside  the                                                              
municipality and  are suddenly restricted  from food  freedom when                                                              
they  hit the  municipality's  border.    She asked  whether  that                                                              
would be  allowed within this bill  so that municipalities  can be                                                              
helped  in  being  less  bureaucratic,  especially  in  regard  to                                                              
farmers markets, which have been so successful.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR  responded  that   state  statute  would  supersede                                                              
municipal  code on  that issue.   The  Alaska Administrative  Code                                                              
includes  some existing  exemptions,  she  said, but  specifically                                                              
putting it in  statute allows for being very  prescriptive in what                                                              
kind of  exemptions are wanted.   That is  one of the  reasons for                                                              
not trying  to push this  quickly, she pointed  out.  Once  a bill                                                              
is  introduced,  those  people   who  are  interested  will  start                                                              
responding  and time will  be spent  with each regulatory  agency.                                                              
People are  worried about public  health, a concern that  she also                                                              
shares.  However,  she continued, a balance can  be struck between                                                              
informed consumer choice and managing for consumer health.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:53:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO  expressed  his  support  for  the  bill,                                                              
thanked  the sponsor  for her  comments on  startup businesses  as                                                              
the state  tries to  develop its  agriculture,  and agreed  that a                                                              
starting  point is needed.   He  shared that  during his  youth he                                                              
enjoyed raw  milk and recalled that  it develops many  layers once                                                              
bottled and  that these  layers have  many benefits  to them.   He                                                              
further recalled the  adjustment he had to make when  he went from                                                              
raw  milk  to store-bought  milk.    He  said  the bill  would  be                                                              
beneficial to  all the state's growers  and those people  who want                                                              
to start doing this.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  replied she received  many comments about  raw milk                                                              
when [HB  46] was introduced,  most of  them in support.   Several                                                              
of those emails,  she related, included similar  stories about the                                                              
benefits of raw milk.   The point of HB 217 is  to allow consumers                                                              
the choice of  such things as a  raw milk option.  She  noted that                                                              
Fred Meyer's grocery  store carries raw milk cheese  as one option                                                              
for consumers  to select  from, and  she would  like to  see these                                                              
opportunities made available to Alaska farmers.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:55:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB 217 was held over.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
           HB 218-STATE VETERINARIAN;ANIMALS;PRODUCTS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:56:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  announced that  the final  order of business  would                                                              
be  HOUSE   BILL  NO.   218,  "An  Act   relating  to   the  state                                                              
veterinarian and to animals and animal products."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:56:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR,  prime  sponsor,  explained  that  HB  218  is  an                                                              
attempt  to  strengthen  agriculture opportunities  in  Alaska  by                                                              
moving  the  position  of  state  veterinarian  from  its  current                                                              
location  within  the  Department  of  Environmental  Conservation                                                              
(DEC)  to  the Division  of  Agriculture,  Department  of  Natural                                                              
Resources (DNR).   Many states  have a Department  of Agriculture,                                                              
she  said,  but Alaska  doesn't  and  instead  has a  Division  of                                                              
Agriculture.    Typically,  state veterinarians  are  housed  with                                                              
agriculture  because  of  the  close  relationship  to  inspecting                                                              
livestock  and supporting  agriculture.   She noted that  Alaska's                                                              
state veterinarian  has responsibilities related to  livestock and                                                              
agriculture  as  well as  for  illnesses, shellfish  testing,  and                                                              
environmental health testing.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR pointed  out  that  moving the  state  veterinarian                                                              
position  from DEC's  environmental  lab and  integrating it  into                                                              
the Division  of Agriculture  is not as  simple as is  outlined in                                                              
the bill.   Bringing  forth  the bill  is the first  phase of  the                                                              
idea of  moving the  position, she explained,  and the  next phase                                                              
is  working together  on the  necessary structural  changes to  be                                                              
included.    Current  statute  specifically  places  some  of  the                                                              
responsibilities  for  the  state   veterinarian  under  DEC,  and                                                              
Legislative  Legal  Services,  Legislative   Affairs  Agency,  has                                                              
advised  that this  needs  to be  resolved.   If  the position  is                                                              
moved,  she continued,  the  more complex  part  will be  deciding                                                              
whether  to  reclassify  some  of  the  support  staff  under  the                                                              
veterinarian   and    whether   to   reclassify    some   of   the                                                              
responsibilities.   It will be necessary to resolve  who is housed                                                              
where,  who  is  responsible  for   what,  and  whether  it  means                                                              
different  positions,   she  said,  so  there  is   reason  to  be                                                              
thoughtful  and  do it  right.    For example,  shellfish  testing                                                              
might  stay  with  the  environmental   health  lab  while  things                                                              
related  to  livestock and  typical  agriculture  responsibilities                                                              
would go over to the Division of Agriculture.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:00:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH inquired whether  it would  be DEC's  or the                                                              
Division  of Agriculture's  responsibility should  avian flu  come                                                              
to Alaska,  given that avian flu  would be an issue of  health and                                                              
well-being of the population.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR  replied  that health-related  illness  testing  is                                                              
currently the  responsibility of DEC.   She deferred  the question                                                              
to DEC.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINA CARPENTER,  Director, Division of  Environmental Health,                                                              
Department  of Environmental  Conservation  (DEC), responded  that                                                              
DEC  has authority  over  a disease  outbreak  in  animals and  in                                                              
domestic  poultry.    She  said her  division's  Food  Safety  and                                                              
Sanitation  Program  coordinates   that  effort  with  the  Alaska                                                              
Department  of  Fish  and  Game  (ADF&G) and  the  U.S.  Fish  and                                                              
Wildlife   Service   (USFWS),    Department   of   the   Interior.                                                              
Coordination  across agencies  and  programs  is required  because                                                              
avian flu  could spread from  a domestic  flock to wild  flocks or                                                              
to the human population.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  remarked she  is glad for  the question  because it                                                              
shows the problem of overlapping jurisdiction.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:02:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  asked which agency  would take care  of a                                                              
problem involving raw milk sickness.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR  answered  it  would  be  DEC.    She  invited  Ms.                                                              
Carpenter to present DEC's statement on the bill.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENTER  said  DEC is  very  supportive  of  Representative                                                              
Tarr's efforts  to grow  the agricultural  industry in  Alaska and                                                              
looks forward  to working on this  with DNR and others  during the                                                              
interim.  She  pointed out the importance of  recognizing that the                                                              
agricultural  and fishing  industries  are dependent  on the  work                                                              
that the  state is performing  as part  of the larger  food safety                                                              
and animal  health team within  DEC.  She  said DEC is  willing to                                                              
work together  to try to find  the resources that the  Division of                                                              
Agriculture needs  to implement its plans to  grow the agriculture                                                              
industry   in    Alaska,   while   continuing   to    meet   DEC's                                                              
responsibilities and demands.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:03:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER inquired  whether DEC  has a position  on                                                              
the raw milk bill.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENTER replied  that her  division is  looking forward  to                                                              
continuing  the conversations  with  the stakeholders  during  the                                                              
interim.   The existing cow share  program has seemed to  work for                                                              
the individuals  who want to obtain raw  milk.  If it  needs to be                                                              
revisited, the division can be part of those discussions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:05:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR  KEYES, director,  Division  of Agriculture,  DNR,  pointed                                                              
out  that   74  percent  of   the  departments  or   divisions  of                                                              
agriculture  throughout  the U.S.  are  organized  with the  state                                                              
veterinarian   under  the   purview   of   those  departments   of                                                              
agriculture.   If given  the opportunity  to  be like those  other                                                              
departments of agriculture,  a state veterinarian  in his division                                                              
would  be  focused  on  agriculture,   including  animal  imports,                                                              
certifications,  licenses,  and  problems  and issues  with  meat,                                                              
fiber, and  dairy production.   He  said the greatest  opportunity                                                              
would  be  education   and  outreach,  specifically   to  farmers,                                                              
because   the  opportunities   for  the   farmers  to  learn   are                                                              
tremendous.   There would  also be work  with consumers  and other                                                              
issues would be  opportunities with getting animals  to market and                                                              
quarantine authority.   A recent  issue, he noted, is  wild sheep,                                                              
which  is an odd  issue in  that the  farmers are  looking to  the                                                              
Division  of Agriculture  for help.   However,  he explained,  the                                                              
Division  of Agriculture is  the odd  man out  in that  it doesn't                                                              
have  a voice  in the  conversation  because it  doesn't have  the                                                              
authority since the state veterinarian is housed in DEC.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEYES  stated that the  industries of animal  care, nutrition,                                                              
poultry, and livestock  have been growing and many  younger people                                                              
are coming in.   For example, he continued,  the Matanuska-Susitna                                                              
Coop is  a dynamic organization  that is putting  locally produced                                                              
eggs on  the grocery shelves.   That tells  him that  the industry                                                              
is  growing  and  there is  tremendous  opportunity,  and  if  his                                                              
division  had  a  state veterinarian  like  other  departments  of                                                              
agriculture  his division  would  be there  helping this  industry                                                              
grow.    A  state  veterinarian  housed  within  the  Division  of                                                              
Agriculture,   he  said,   would   focus   on  strengthening   the                                                              
agriculture  businesses  in Alaska  and increasing  Alaska's  food                                                              
security.   Agriculture is growing,  he reiterated,  animal import                                                              
numbers are up,  and the opportunity for the  industry to continue                                                              
growing is there.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:08:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER requested  Mr.  Keyes to  expound on  the                                                              
sheep and goat issue that was mentioned.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEYES  qualified that he  is not an  expert on this  issue and                                                              
the issue  is outside the purview  of his division.   He explained                                                              
that the Wild  Sheep Foundation has put Proposition  90 before the                                                              
[Board of  Game].  This proposition  would have the Board  of Game                                                              
remove sheep  and goats from the  "clean list," a de facto  way of                                                              
making  it  so  sheep  and goats  cannot  be  imported  and  would                                                              
require fencing  of these  animals that is  not economical  from a                                                              
production  standpoint.    The agriculture  community  views  this                                                              
proposition  as  very  unpalatable,  he  said,  because  it  would                                                              
damage the  producers that  have sheep and  goats in Alaska.   The                                                              
state  veterinarian  is the  one  who  makes  the decision  as  to                                                              
whether sheep and  goats are still a livestock animal  and a clean                                                              
animal  that can  still  be raised  in  Alaska.   The  agriculture                                                              
community is looking  at the Division of Agriculture  because they                                                              
are viewing  this as an agriculture  issue, he continued,  but the                                                              
division  is in  the  very strange  situation  of  not having  the                                                              
voice to make a decision in this regard.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:11:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER asked what the clean issue is about.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEYES  responded  that domesticated  sheep  and  goats  could                                                              
carry  disease that  wild sheep  and  goats don't  have and  don't                                                              
have immunity  to.   When a wild  sheep or  goat comes  in contact                                                              
with a domesticated  animal carrying the disease,  the disease can                                                              
be transmitted to  the wild animal.  He offered  his understanding                                                              
that the prevalence  of the disease of concern is  suspected to be                                                              
incredibly low, especially  in Alaska.  The argument  he has heard                                                              
is that  the concern is  being blown out  of proportion.   He said                                                              
he  further  understands that  the  Wild  Sheep Foundation  is  an                                                              
outside group that is developing chapters within Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER  inquired  whether  there have  been  any                                                              
cases in Alaska of the disease that is being talked about.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEYES  deferred to the state  veterinarian for an  answer, but                                                              
said  his understanding  is that  there  have been  no cases  that                                                              
warrant this kind of concern.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:13:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON  recalled that  between  1815  and the  1820's                                                              
there were  problems throughout  the Midwest with  people becoming                                                              
sick and sometimes  dying from consumption of bad milk.   He asked                                                              
whether Mr. Keyes  knows what that was about and  whether it is no                                                              
longer a concern.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEYES replied he cannot speak to that.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR  interjected  that  some  problems  with  milk  are                                                              
attributed  to problems with  cleanliness.   Even with  provisions                                                              
[in legislation],  there would still be  a need for someone  to do                                                              
inspections, she  said.  The  farmers must  be relied upon  to not                                                              
milk  from a cow  that has  any kind  of sickness.   While  Alaska                                                              
doesn't yet  have a huge dairy  industry, she continued,  it is an                                                              
industry that  people want to see  expanded for the  production of                                                              
milk  and  cheeses.    People  were  very  disappointed  when  the                                                              
Matanuska  creamery  went  out   of  business  because  it  was  a                                                              
reduction in the  industry rather than an expansion.   She posited                                                              
that the bill might be something that would improve things.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:15:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEYES stated  that DEC is currently  doing a lot of  work that                                                              
wouldn't be  appropriate to agriculture.   He said DEC  is doing a                                                              
tremendous  amount of  important  work for  the  state, but  DEC's                                                              
mission is different than that of the Division of Agriculture.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  responded that  if things  were to be  re-organized                                                              
then  there  would need  to  be  a sorting  out  of who  has  what                                                              
responsibilities.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:16:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHANNA HERRON,  development specialist, Division  of Agriculture,                                                              
DNR, in response  to Co-Chair Tarr, said the  farmers markets open                                                              
at various  time throughout the  state, but some start  toward the                                                              
end  of  May.    She said  the  division  would  make  a  schedule                                                              
available as soon  as the information is received  from the market                                                              
managers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 218 was held over.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:20:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being  no further business  before the committee,  the House                                                              
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:20 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 197 Sponsor Statement.pdf HRES 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/19/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/28/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/1/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 197
HB197 Version J 4.5.2017.pdf HRES 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/19/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/28/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/1/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 197
HB197 Sectional Analysis ver J 4.6.2017.pdf HRES 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/19/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/28/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/1/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 197
HB197 Fiscal Note - DNR-PMC 4.7.17.pdf HRES 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/19/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/28/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/1/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 197
HB197 Supporting Document - Article. Seed Bill 4.9.17.pdf HRES 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/12/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/19/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/28/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/1/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 197
HB 201 Sponsor Statement.pdf HCRA 4/11/2017 8:00:00 AM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 201
HB 201 vers A 3.30.17.PDF HCRA 4/11/2017 8:00:00 AM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 201
HB 201 1982 AG Opinion.pdf HCRA 4/11/2017 8:00:00 AM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 201
HB 201 Case law.pdf HCRA 4/11/2017 8:00:00 AM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 201
HB 201 Matsu Ordinance 3.21.2017.pdf HCRA 4/11/2017 8:00:00 AM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 201
HB 201 Muni Trapping Codes.pdf HCRA 4/11/2017 8:00:00 AM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 201
HB 201 News Articles.pdf HCRA 4/11/2017 8:00:00 AM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 201
HB201-DFG-DWC-04-07-17.pdf HCRA 4/11/2017 8:00:00 AM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 201
HB 201 LAA Legal Memos.pdf HCRA 4/11/2017 8:00:00 AM
HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 201
HB217 Version A 4.16.17.PDF HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/7/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 2/14/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 217
HB217 Supporting Document - Wyoming Expands Food Freedom Act 4.16.17.PDF HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 217
HB217 Supporting Document - USDA Wrongly Targets Wyoming's Food Freedom Act 4.16.17.PDF HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 217
HB217 Supporting Document - Colorado Cottage Foods Act Fact Sheet 4.16.17.PDF HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 217
HB217 Supporting Document - Article Natural News 4.16.17.PDF HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 217
HB217 Supporting Document - Article Mother Earth Jones 4.16.17.PDF HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 217
HB217 Supporting Document - Colorado Cottage Foods Act.pdf HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 217
HB217 Fiscal Note - DEC-EHL 04-07-17.pdf HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 217
HB217 Fiscal Note - DEC-FSS 4.7.17.pdf HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 217
HB218 Sponsor Statement 4.11.17.pdf HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/1/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 218
HB218 Version A 4.16.17.PDF HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 5/1/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 218
HB217 Sponsor Statement 4.17.17.pdf HRES 4/17/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 217