Legislature(2017 - 2018)BARNES 124

01/27/2017 01:00 PM RESOURCES

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 6 JONESVILLE PUBLIC USE AREA TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ HJR 4 SUPPORT ANWR DEVELOPMENT; RELATED ISSUES TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled but Not Heard
-- Public Testimony --
+ HJR 5 ENDORSING ANWR LEASING; RELATED ISSUES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
*+ HJR 6 SUPPORT ROAD: KING COVE & COLD BAY TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 6(RES) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 27, 2017                                                                                        
                           1:15 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Geran Tarr, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Dean Westlake, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
Representative Justin Parish                                                                                                    
Representative Chris Birch                                                                                                      
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative David Talerico                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Chris Tuck (alternate)                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 6                                                                                                    
Expressing   the   Alaska   State   Legislature's   support   and                                                               
appreciation   for   legislation   introduced  by   the   state's                                                               
congressional delegation  that would  allow for  the construction                                                               
of  a  single-lane  gravel  road  through  the  Izembek  National                                                               
Wildlife Refuge, connecting  the community of King  Cove with the                                                               
Cold Bay Airport;  and urging the United States  Congress to pass                                                               
the legislation.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHJR 6(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 6                                                                                                                
"An Act establishing the Jonesville Public Use Area."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 5                                                                                                    
Urging the  United States  Congress to  pass legislation  to open                                                               
the coastal plain  of the Arctic National Wildlife  Refuge to oil                                                               
and gas development;  urging the United States  Department of the                                                               
Interior to  recognize the private  property rights of  owners of                                                               
land  in and  adjacent to  the Arctic  National Wildlife  Refuge;                                                               
relating  to oil  and gas  exploration, development,  production,                                                               
and royalties;  and relating to renewable  and alternative energy                                                               
technologies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 4                                                                                                    
Urging the  United States  Congress to  pass legislation  to open                                                               
the coastal plain  of the Arctic National Wildlife  Refuge to oil                                                               
and gas development;  urging the United States  Department of the                                                               
Interior to  recognize the private  property rights of  owners of                                                               
land  in and  adjacent to  the Arctic  National Wildlife  Refuge;                                                               
relating  to oil  and gas  exploration, development,  production,                                                               
and royalties;  and relating to renewable  and alternative energy                                                               
technologies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HJR  6                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: SUPPORT ROAD: KING COVE & COLD BAY                                                                                 
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) EDGMON                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
01/18/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/18/17       (H)       RES                                                                                                    
01/27/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB   6                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: JONESVILLE PUBLIC USE AREA                                                                                         
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) RAUSCHER                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
01/18/17       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/9/17                                                                                
01/18/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/18/17       (H)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
01/27/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HJR  5                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: ENDORSING ANWR LEASING; RELATED ISSUES                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) WESTLAKE                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
01/18/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/18/17       (H)       RES                                                                                                    
01/20/17       (H)       AET REFERRAL ADDED BEFORE RES                                                                          
01/20/17       (H)       BILL REPRINTED 1/20/17                                                                                 
01/24/17       (H)       AET AT 11:30 AM BARNES 124                                                                             
01/24/17       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
01/24/17       (H)       MINUTE(AET)                                                                                            
01/26/17       (H)       AET AT 11:30 AM BARNES 124                                                                             
01/26/17       (H)       Moved CSHJR 5(AET) Out of Committee                                                                    
01/26/17       (H)       MINUTE(AET)                                                                                            
01/27/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BRYCE EDGMON                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Speaking as the sponsor, introduced HJR 6.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TIM CLARK, Staff                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  On behalf of Representative Edgmon,                                                                      
sponsor, answered questions during the hearing of HJR 6.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
STANLEY MACK, Mayor                                                                                                             
Aleutians East Borough                                                                                                          
Anchorage Office                                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 6.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
LOIS EPSTEIN, Spokesperson                                                                                                      
The Wilderness Society                                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HJR 6.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DARRELL BREESE, Staff                                                                                                           
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  On behalf of Representative Rauscher,                                                                  
sponsor, provided a sectional analysis of HB 6.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ED FOGELS, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                  
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided testimony during the hearing of HB                                                              
6.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JESSE LOGAN, Staff                                                                                                              
Representative Dean Westlake                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    On  behalf  of  Representative  Westlake,                                                             
sponsor, provided information on changes  to HJR 5 brought by the                                                               
House Special  Committee on Arctic Policy,  Economic Development,                                                               
and Tourism (AET) committee substitute.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
LIN DAVIS                                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to HJR 4 during the                                                             
hearing of CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KARLA BROLLIER, Environmental Justice Director                                                                                  
Alaska Wilderness League                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to HJR 5 during the                                                             
hearing of CSHJR 5.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HALEY JOHNSTON, Wilderness Guide and Operations Manager                                                                         
Alaska Alpine Adventures                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to HJR 5 during the                                                             
hearing of CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ANDY MODEROW, State Director                                                                                                    
Alaska Wilderness League                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to HJR 5 during the                                                             
hearing of CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SUZANNE BOSTROM, Staff Attorney                                                                                                 
Trustees for Alaska                                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to HJR 5 during the                                                             
hearing of CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
YOSUHIRO OZURU                                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified  during the  hearing  of  CSHJR                                                             
5(AET).                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
LOIS EPSTEIN, Arctic Program Director                                                                                           
The Wilderness Society                                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to HJR 5 during the                                                             
hearing of CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
STANLEY EDWIN                                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition to HJR 4  and HJR 5                                                             
during the hearing of CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
EMMA FUNK                                                                                                                       
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified in  opposition  to HJR  4 and  5                                                             
during the hearing of CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
LACHLAN GILLISPIE                                                                                                               
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to HJR 5 during the                                                             
hearing of CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
FRAN MAUER                                                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to HJR 5 during the                                                             
hearing of CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BERNADETTE DEMIENTIEFF, Executive Director                                                                                      
Gwich'in Steering Committee                                                                                                     
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to HJR 5 during the                                                             
hearing of CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:15:2 6 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ANDY  JOSEPHSON  called the  House  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to  order  at   1:15  p.m.    Representatives                                                               
Josephson, Rauscher, Drummond,  Johnson, Westlake, Birch, Parish,                                                               
Talerico, and Tarr were present at the call to order.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:15:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON discussed upcoming meetings.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
           HJR  6-SUPPORT ROAD: KING COVE & COLD BAY                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:17:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON announced  that the  first order  of business                                                               
would  be HOUSE  JOINT RESOLUTION  NO. 6,  Expressing the  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature's  support  and appreciation  for  legislation                                                               
introduced  by the  state's congressional  delegation that  would                                                               
allow for the  construction of a single-lane  gravel road through                                                               
the Izembek  National Wildlife  Refuge, connecting  the community                                                               
of King  Cove with the  Cold Bay  Airport; and urging  the United                                                               
States Congress to pass the legislation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:19:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BRYCE  EDGMON, Alaska State  Legislature, speaking                                                               
as  the  sponsor,  introduced  HJR   6.    Representative  Edgmon                                                               
informed the committee  that the issue addressed by HJR  6 is not                                                               
unfamiliar to  most; in fact,  connecting King Cove and  Cold Bay                                                               
through the Izembek National Wildlife  Refuge ("refuge") has been                                                               
discussed for 30  years, and [inaction] has exacted  a human toll                                                               
from  residents of  King Cove  in need  of medical  attention who                                                               
need to reach the airport in Cold  Bay.  The Cold Bay Airport was                                                               
built by the military and consists  of one of the bigger and more                                                               
accessible  runways and  a generous  cross [landing  strip].   In                                                               
2010, a  solution was in  place under the federal  Omnibus Public                                                               
Land Management Act of 2009 ("lands  Act of 2009") [passed in the                                                               
111th  U.S.   Congress],  and  supported  by   the  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature   which   in   2010,  unanimously   passed   enabling                                                               
legislation  related  to a  land  exchange  that would  create  a                                                               
corridor  through the  refuge  and allow  the  construction of  a                                                               
road.  To  the disappointment of residents of King  Cove and many                                                               
others, in  2015, it was  found that  completion of the  road was                                                               
not in  the public's interest.   Representative  Edgmon expressed                                                               
his support  of responsible resource development  and his respect                                                               
for those who are concerned  with the sensitivity of the affected                                                               
lagoon  and habitat.    However,  he opined  the  footprint of  a                                                               
single lane gravel  road is highly prescriptive  and very doable,                                                               
so  he   introduced  the  resolution   in  support   of  proposed                                                               
congressional  legislation to  successfully  progress the  issue.                                                               
Representative Edgmon asked for the committee's support.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:23:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  stated his belief that  the foregoing is                                                               
a life and safety issue for residents of the state.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   EDGMON   agreed   and  directed   attention   to                                                               
supporting  materials  from  the National  Transportation  Safety                                                               
Board found in  the committee packet.  He  described his personal                                                               
experience flying into King Cove  during perilous conditions that                                                               
are present "about a third of the year."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND asked  whether the  legislation proposed                                                               
by the Alaska congressional delegation includes a land exchange.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  explained that  legislation passed  by the                                                               
Alaska State Legislature  in 2010 anticipated an  exchange of 206                                                               
acres for "a package" of about  43,000 acres of state and village                                                               
corporation inholdings.  He was  unaware of the parameters of the                                                               
legislation  proposed  by  U.S Senator  Lisa  Murkowski  or  U.S.                                                               
Congressman Don Young.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:26:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIM  CLARK,  staff,  Representative Bryce  Edgmon,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, said the legislation  introduced in Congress alludes                                                               
to the exchange  of federal and non-federal land  as contained in                                                               
the lands Act  of 2009.  He expressed his  understanding that the                                                               
same  two parcels  of state  land of  approximately 43,000  acres                                                               
will be exchanged  for a 206-acre road corridor  through about 12                                                               
miles of the refuge.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND surmised  that  the  authority [for  the                                                               
exchange] is already in place by the lands Act of 2009.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK responded  that although the lands Act  of 2009 exists,                                                               
the authority granted for the  land exchange and the construction                                                               
of   the  road   has  expired;   the  current   proposed  federal                                                               
legislation utilizes the  details from the 2009  agreement on the                                                               
land exchange and the parameters of the road.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON added  that  the road  is  about 30  miles                                                               
long,  of  which  18  miles  are in  place;  HJR  6  targets  the                                                               
remaining  route that  goes through  the "more  sensitive habitat                                                               
area" of the refuge.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH  suggested there  may  be  an advantage  to                                                               
revisiting the proportions of the  land exchange, and said, "It's                                                               
certainly not an  acre for an acre  ... it's an acre  for a whole                                                               
lot of acres."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CLARK   first  qualified  his  response   to  Representative                                                               
Drummond by  adding that  the new  exchange proposed  in Congress                                                               
"probably  will  be less,  in  balance,  so  to speak,  than  the                                                               
previous exchange."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH  surmised  the  land  exchange  is  "headed                                                               
towards the value for value ...."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  questioned whether the community's  perspective is                                                               
that the road will not impact economic activity in the area.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON   agreed  and  added  that   although  the                                                               
community  of Cold  Bay has  had mixed  feelings about  the road,                                                               
Cold Bay  and King Cove  residents now strongly support  the road                                                               
because  of enhanced  access that  would  contribute to  economic                                                               
activity.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:32:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[The committee  treated the hearing of  HJR 6 as open  for public                                                               
testimony.]                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:32:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STANLEY MACK,  mayor, Aleutians  East Borough,  Anchorage Office,                                                               
informed the  committee he is an  Aleut born in King  Cove, which                                                               
is a community of mostly  indigenous Aleut people whose ancestors                                                               
have lived there  for thousands of years.   Representative Edgmon                                                               
and others  have been involved in  this matter for over  a decade                                                               
and Mayor Mack  urged for the passage  of HJR 6.  He  spoke of 30                                                               
years  of  efforts  to  obtain  authorization  from  the  federal                                                               
government  to construct  the  road,  and the  hard  work of  the                                                               
Alaska congressional  delegation.   Mayor Mack  commended Senator                                                               
Lisa  Murkowski for  her support  that will  continue until  King                                                               
Cove has  transportation to  the Cold  Bay Airport  for emergency                                                               
medical purposes and  access to the outside world.   Finally, the                                                               
approval of federal legislation is  near to address the difficult                                                               
weather  and geographical  issues  that  impact residents'  daily                                                               
lives,  and sometimes  prevent access  to the  Cold Bay  Airport.                                                               
Regularly,  high winds  prevent safe  and dependable  air access,                                                               
and  King Cove  lives have  been  lost or  compromised. The  land                                                               
exchange will lead to the  construction of a one-lane gravel road                                                               
and  improve the  quality  of  life.   Mayor  Mack expressed  his                                                               
appreciation for the  work of the current legislature  - and that                                                               
of   Governor   Walker's   administration  -   to   resolve   the                                                               
transportation access problem.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR asked about the  financing of the road, and whether                                                               
the  hovercraft [provided  by a  Congressional appropriation  and                                                               
operational from 2007 to 2010] will be utilized.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MAYOR  MACK  said  financing  works   through  the  state.    The                                                               
Aleutians  East  Borough had  the  operation  of the  hovercraft,                                                               
which  proved unreliable  and unaffordable.    He continued,  "We                                                               
have  taken that  one out,  completely  out of  the picture,  and                                                               
hopefully  we could  sell it  and,  and recapture  the money  for                                                               
some, [and] we [can] help finance the access project."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:38:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LOIS EPSTEIN, spokesperson, The  Wilderness Society, informed the                                                               
committee she is  a licensed Alaska engineer  and former director                                                               
of  the  non-profit  Alaska  Transportation  Priorities  Project.                                                               
Currently,  she  represents  The  Wilderness  Society  which  has                                                               
testified before Congress on this  issue.  The Wilderness Society                                                               
opposes HJR 6  for numerous reasons, including  the importance of                                                               
the  Izembek Wildlife  Refuge, the  precedent regarding  national                                                               
wildlife  refuges, the  adverse  impact to  subsistence, and  the                                                               
high cost  to the state  for capital, operating,  and maintenance                                                               
costs.    The  Wilderness  Society  will  provide  the  committee                                                               
further detailed information, and she  urged the committee not to                                                               
support HJR 6.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON asked  whether  congressional legislation  is                                                               
needed,  or if  the next  U.S.  Secretary of  the Interior  could                                                               
authorize [the land exchange and road corridor].                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. EPSTEIN  understood an  analytical process  would need  to be                                                               
redone  by the  U.S.  Department  of the  Interior.   In  further                                                               
response  to  Co-Chair  Josephson,  she said  she  did  not  know                                                               
whether further legislation was required.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  inquired as to  what evidence on  which The                                                               
Wilderness  Society  based  its  testimony that  the  bill  would                                                               
contradict   or  complicate   the  subsistence   values  of   the                                                               
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  EPSTEIN responded  that the  Association of  Village Council                                                               
Presidents opposes the "Izembek road  ... through the refuge" and                                                               
she  urged  the  committee  to   consult  with  members  of  that                                                               
organization regarding impacts to subsistence.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON questioned  whether the  committee substitute                                                               
(CS) for HJR 6 makes substantial changes to the original bill.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLARK  responded that the  CS and explanation of  changes was                                                               
previously  provided  to  the  co-chairs'   staff.    In  further                                                               
response  to  Co-Chair  Josephson,  he said  the  CS  corrects  a                                                               
drafting  error   of  bill   numbers  referring   to  legislation                                                               
introduced  by Senator  Lisa Murkowski  and Congressman  Young as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 2, S. 3204 and H.R. 5777 were deleted and                                                                     
     replaced with S. 101 and H.R. 218;                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 6, S. 3240 was deleted and replaced with                                                                      
     S. 101;                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
       Page 3, line 7, H.R. 5777 was deleted and replaced                                                                       
     with H.R. 218                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:44:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR moved  to  adopt the  CS for  HJR  6, Version  30-                                                               
LS0329\D, Bullard, 1/18/17, as the working document.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:44:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON objected for discussion purposes.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH expressed his support for the bill.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:45:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON  removed  his  objection.    There  being  no                                                               
further objection, Version D was before the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[The committee treated public testimony on HJR 6 as closed.]                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:45:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  moved to  report [the  CS for  HJR 6,  Version 30-                                                               
LS0329\D,  Bullard, 1/18/17],  out of  committee with  individual                                                               
recommendations  [and  a  zero  fiscal note].    There  being  no                                                               
objection, CSHJR 6(RES)  was reported out of  the House Resources                                                               
Standing Committee.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[Later in  the meeting, Co-Chair  Tarr clarified that  her motion                                                               
was to move CS for HJR 6.]                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON stated there were  no fiscal notes attached to                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Later in  the meeting, Co-Chair  Josephson clarified  that there                                                               
was a zero fiscal note attached to Version D of the bill.]                                                                      
1:45:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:45 p.m. to 1:55 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
               HB   6-JONESVILLE PUBLIC USE AREA                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:56:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON announced  that  the next  order of  business                                                               
would be  HOUSE BILL NO.  6, "An Act establishing  the Jonesville                                                               
Public Use Area."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:57:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER,  speaking as  the sponsor,  informed the                                                               
committee HB 6 was written  to address problems that have existed                                                               
since 2009 or longer.  The  area of the Jonesville coal mines has                                                               
been  progressively deteriorating;  the  [Surface Mining  Control                                                               
and Reclamation  Act of  1977] provided  federal funds  for mines                                                               
that  did not  have accounts  or bonds  for reclamation,  such as                                                               
mines  in  operation  in  the  1930s  and  earlier.    After  the                                                               
Jonesville coal  mines closed in  the 1970s, millions  of dollars                                                               
in  reclamation  funds have  been  used  for roads,  recreational                                                               
vehicle  parking, and  to suppress  coal fires.   However,  after                                                               
roads and  parking were  provided, the  area grew  in popularity.                                                               
Public use also  grew due to the establishment of  the Knik River                                                               
Public  Use Area,  because  some  of its  former  users moved  to                                                               
Sutton  for activities.   He  opined  a management  plan for  the                                                               
Jonesville area was not anticipated,  thus many activities ensued                                                               
that the  state is  unable to  curtail.   Representative Rauscher                                                               
stated that  as more people  come to recreate, management  of the                                                               
area is needed  so that activities can coexist  safely to prevent                                                               
shooting  across  an  unmarked   trail  where  four-wheelers  are                                                               
riding,  or shooting  near homes.   Without  signage, people  are                                                               
unaware of  private property  and because that  is not  a healthy                                                               
situation  for homeowners,  local residents  contacted local  and                                                               
state representatives  for guidance.   Government representatives                                                               
advised   that   property    owners   should   organize,   gather                                                               
information,  and canvas  the communities  and user  groups.   He                                                               
referred  to documents  provided in  the committee  packet.   The                                                               
Sutton Community  Council formed  a committee that  contacted all                                                               
of the  users to ensure  that all  of the user  groups recognized                                                               
the problem.  The Department  of Natural Resources and the Alaska                                                               
State  Troopers also  provided guidance,  and it  was decided  to                                                               
model  a solution  after  the Knik  River Public  Use  Area.   No                                                               
government  money  was  spent  except   for  that  of  the  local                                                               
communities, and  a document was  produced that described  how to                                                               
achieve a  management plan for  the land, including  the enabling                                                               
legislative  agreement to  create  a  public use  area.   In  the                                                               
meantime,  a  person was  shot,  and  many other  accidents  have                                                               
happened in the  area.  Representative Rauscher  advised that the                                                               
community seeks to write a management plan which would be                                                                       
revised and/or adopted by the commissioner of the Department of                                                                 
Natural Resources, without cost to the state.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:06:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DARRELL BREESE, staff, Representative George Rauscher, Alaska                                                                   
State Legislature, said Section 1 of the bill states the purpose                                                                
of creating the Jonesville Public Use Area and its goals:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
    · year round public recreation for an area popular for                                                                      
       camping, hiking, skiing, and riding snow machines                                                                        
    · protect wildlife such as waterfowl, fish, and game                                                                        
    · provide full spectrum of public uses for motorized and                                                                    
       non-motorized recreation, ATVs, snow machines, mountain                                                                  
       bikes, horses, sled dogs                                                                                                 
    · allow continued access for mining and to private property                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
  MR. BREESE explained  that Section 2 deals  with management and                                                               
  after adopting the public use area  the process of developing a                                                               
  management  plan  begins with  public  hearings.     After  the                                                               
  community process  of drafting  the plan, the  commissioner [of                                                               
  DNR],  in consultation  with the  Alaska Department  of Fish  &                                                               
  Game, will adopt the plan.  On page 2, line 29, the bill allows                                                               
  the commissioner  to define  and restrict incompatible  uses to                                                               
  certain areas.   On page 3, line  6, the bill  defines what the                                                               
  commissioner   cannot  restrict,   including  lawful   hunting,                                                               
  fishing, trapping, the  use of weapons and  firearms, and other                                                               
  recreational opportunities.   Mr. Breese paraphrased  from HB 6                                                               
  on page 3, beginning on line 17, as follows:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      (B)    include    all-terrain   vehicles,    aircraft,                                                                    
     watercraft,  snowmachining,  horseback riding,  hiking,                                                                    
     bicycling,   dog    sledding,   cross-country   skiing,                                                                    
     skijoring,   camping,   hunting,   fishing,   trapping,                                                                    
     wildlife  viewing, photography,  and, where  permitted,                                                                    
     rifle  and  pistol  ranges, parking  of  vehicles,  and                                                                    
     mineral exploration and mining; and                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
  MR.  BREESE said  the  intent is  to  provide  access that  all                                                               
  Alaskans can enjoy.  On page 4, beginning at line 8, is a legal                                                               
  description of the boundary area which  is to be corrected by a                                                               
  forthcoming amendment.   On page 5,  beginning at line  17, the                                                               
  bill describes  enforcement authority  to that of  Alaska State                                                               
  Troopers.   On page 5, beginning  at line 21 and  continuing to                                                               
  page 6, line 2, other authority is held as follows:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     (1)  an employee  of the  department or  another person                                                                    
     authorized by  the commissioner;  (2) a  peace officer,                                                                    
     as that term  is defined in AS 01.10.060.  (b) A person                                                                    
     designated in  (a) of this section  may, when enforcing                                                                    
     the  provisions  of  AS  41.23.280  -  41.23.289  or  a                                                                    
     regulation adopted under AS  41.23.280 - 41.23.289, (1)                                                                    
     execute  a  warrant  or  other  process  issued  by  an                                                                    
     officer  or  court  of    competent  jurisdiction;  (2)                                                                    
     administer or take an  oath, affirmation, or affidavit;                                                                    
     and   (3)  issue  a  citation or  arrest  a person  who                                                                    
     violates a provision of   AS 41.23.280 - 41.23.289 or a                                                                    
     regulation adopted under AS  41.23.280 - 41.23.289. (c)                                                                    
     A  citation  issued  under (b)  of  this  section  must                                                                    
     comply with the provisions of AS 12.25.175 - 12.25.230                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BREESE  said the final  section describes penalties  that may                                                               
be imposed.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON deferred  a question  related to  the penalty                                                               
portion to the next hearing of the bill.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:12:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ED  FOGELS,  Deputy  Commissioner, Office  of  the  Commissioner,                                                               
Department  of Natural  Resources, agreed  that the  situation in                                                               
the Jonesville area  has been accurately described  by the bill's                                                               
sponsor.   The  department  has  special areas  of  which it  has                                                               
enforcement  authority and  active  management, but  it does  not                                                               
have the resources to exercise  active management of the majority                                                               
of state  land.   Situations develop,  such as  that of  the Knik                                                               
River Public Use  Area, where there were  significant issues, and                                                               
after a  similar bill  was passed,  the problem  was "essentially                                                               
solved."   He advised DNR does  not have objections to  the bill,                                                               
but he pointed  out that the Knik River Public  Use Area bill was                                                               
successful  because  it  attached  a  fiscal  note  granting  DNR                                                               
resources to  actively management the  area; however, HB  6 lacks                                                               
fiscal  resources.    The  department will  be  involved  in  the                                                               
creation  of the  management  plan  that may  be  adopted by  the                                                               
commissioner if it meets all  of the state's interests.  Although                                                               
DNR   does  not   have  staffing   for   active  management   and                                                               
enforcement,  he  said  the  department  is  very  interested  in                                                               
solving issues in this area.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:15:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON announced HB 6 was held over.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
         HJR  5-ENDORSING ANWR LEASING; RELATED ISSUES                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
                 [Contains discussion of HJR 4]                                                                                 
2:16:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON announced  that  the next  order of  business                                                               
would be HOUSE  JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 5, Urging  the United States                                                               
Congress to  pass legislation  to open the  coastal plain  of the                                                               
Arctic  National  Wildlife Refuge  to  oil  and gas  development;                                                               
urging the United States Department  of the Interior to recognize                                                               
the private property rights of owners  of land in and adjacent to                                                               
the  Arctic National  Wildlife Refuge;  relating to  oil and  gas                                                               
exploration,   development,   production,  and   royalties;   and                                                               
relating to renewable and alternative energy technologies.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:16:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TARR  moved to adopt  the committee substitute  (CS) for                                                               
HJR [5](AET), Version 30-LS0314\J.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:16:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WESTLAKE,  sponsor, informed the  committee [CSHJR                                                               
5(AET)] is  a resolution urging  Congress to pass  legislation to                                                               
open the  coastal plain  of the  Arctic National  Wildlife Refuge                                                               
(ANWR)  to  oil  and  gas   development.    Although  subsistence                                                               
activities are the  first priority in this region,  jobs are also                                                               
important, and  opening ANWR would  be beneficial for  Alaska and                                                               
all of the  U.S.  Alaska would receive 90  percent of the revenue                                                               
from bonus payments  and royalties from ANWR in the  future and -                                                               
at  this time  - development  will  create tens  of thousands  of                                                               
jobs.    Representative   Westlake  expressed  his  constituents'                                                               
belief   that   development  in   ANWR   can   be  done   in   an                                                               
environmentally-responsible way.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:18:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JESSE LOGAN,  staff, Representative  Dean Westlake,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, informed the committee  the changes in the committee                                                               
substitute (CS) brought by the  House Special Committee on Arctic                                                               
Policy, Economic Development, and  Tourism (AET) provided clarity                                                               
on resource  availability.  On  page 2,  following line 4,  a new                                                               
WHEREAS was inserted as follows:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS, in  1998, the United States  Geological Survey                                                                    
     estimated the  central North Slope and  1002 study area                                                                    
     combined could  contain up to  46,000,000,000,000 cubic                                                                    
     feet of natural gas; and                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOGAN  stated further, on page  3, lines 27 and  28, a change                                                               
was made as follows:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Delete:  President  Barack  Obama's  recent  action  to                                                                    
     withdraw millions of  acres of land in  the Arctic from                                                                    
     new offshore oil and gas drilling                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Insert:  the executive action                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOGAN said the new line on page 4, lines 4 and 5, read:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS   the   executive   action   threatens   future                                                                    
     development and national energy security; and                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOGAN  continued, noting the  final change beginning  on page                                                               
2, line 30, and continuing through page 3, line 3, read:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS,  in  December  2016, President  Barack  Obama,                                                                    
     through executive  action, closed 125,000,000  acres of                                                                    
     the Arctic Ocean, a vast  majority of the United States                                                                    
     Arctic    offshore   water,    from   future    leasing                                                                    
     consideration,   thus  preventing   extraction  of   an                                                                    
     estimated 27,000,000,000 barrels of oil; and                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS  the  Alaska Congressional  delegation  decried                                                                    
     the executive action; and                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LOGAN   added  that  the   resolution,  if  passed   by  the                                                               
legislature, would  signify a unified  voice to Congress  and the                                                               
new administration,  that the  Alaska State  Legislature supports                                                               
opening the coastal plain of ANWR for oil and gas development.                                                                  
The bill  is specific to opening  the 1002 Area:   urges the U.S.                                                               
Department  of the  Interior to  recognize  the private  property                                                               
rights of landowners in and adjacent  to ANWR and the efforts the                                                               
State of  Alaska has made  in developing and  deploying renewable                                                               
energy statewide.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:21:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH directed  attention to page 5,  lines 2 and                                                               
3, which read:                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     the 90 percent  of the oil, gas,  and mineral royalties                                                                    
     from the  federal land in  the state that  was promised                                                                    
     to the state at statehood.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH  asked  where,   and  in  what  form,  the                                                               
foregoing promise was made.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOGAN answered  that is a reference to  the [Alaska Statehood                                                               
Act, enacted 7/7/58 and effective 1/3/59].                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER directed  attention to  page 5,  line 1,                                                               
which read in part:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ...  any attempt  to coerce  the  state into  accepting                                                                    
     less than                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSHER remarked,                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     That doesn't really mean they  could do it on their own                                                                    
     if they wanted.   That doesn't stop them  from doing it                                                                    
     on their own  if they wanted does it, or  how does this                                                                    
     read out?   I guess I don't understand  the, the intent                                                                    
     of the language  and ... what it really  means when you                                                                    
     actually adopt it.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LOGAN  explained that  the abovementioned  [FURTHER] RESOLVED                                                               
says that  the legislature opposes  any unilateral  reduction and                                                               
anything done by  the administration to reduce the  90 percent as                                                               
promised at statehood.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH asked:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     It may  be more  of a  question for  [legislative legal                                                                    
     services]  but ...  based on  some of  our interactions                                                                    
     with the  federal government in  the past,  how certain                                                                    
     are we  that we would ...  win in court ...  were there                                                                    
     an attempt  to coerce us  into accepting less  than the                                                                    
     full value we were promised at statehood?                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   WESTLAKE  recalled   that  the   state  recently                                                               
exchanged  a  huge amount  of  land  in  order  to get  a  little                                                               
[federal] parcel and gain security.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH expressed his support for the bill.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:25:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON opened public testimony on CSHJR 5(AET).                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:25:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIN DAVIS  informed the  committee she is  a 24-year  resident of                                                               
Alaska,  a  retired  state  worker,  and  she  strongly  supports                                                               
permanently protecting ANWR.   She said there  is a misperception                                                               
that everyone  in Alaska supports  developing ANWR;  however, she                                                               
prefers no development in the coastal  plain or in the 1002 Area.                                                               
In 2002,  she spent  time on  the Kongakut River  in ANWR  and in                                                               
Arctic Village  where she heard the  mayor speak of the  land and                                                               
the fears  of the  Gwich'in people  for the  caribou.   Ms. Davis                                                               
said Americans have a duty  to protect the Gwich'in homeland, and                                                               
opined ANWR should  become a [UNESCO] World Heritage  Site as one                                                               
of  the  last  places  Native   people  can  live  a  subsistence                                                               
lifestyle.   It is in the  interest of Americans and  Alaskans to                                                               
transition  off  of   fossil  fuels.    She   said  the  proposed                                                               
legislation    contains    "terrific    language"    about    how                                                               
environmentally  conscious the  oil  companies will  be, but  she                                                               
does  not trust  the  promises  of oil  companies;  in fact,  oil                                                               
companies acknowledge  the constant  risk and lack  of technology                                                               
to clean  a major  spill.  Alaskan  engineers and  innovators can                                                               
create sustainable  energy, and  she urged  for the  committee to                                                               
let Alaska show  the world how to use  sustainable energy instead                                                               
of fossil fuels.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:29:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARLA   BROLLIER,   Environmental    Justice   Director,   Alaska                                                               
Wilderness  League,  informed  the  committee  she  is  an  Ahtna                                                               
Athabascan  who was  born and  raised in  Alaska.   She said  the                                                               
Alaska  Wilderness League  works  to preserve  the  land and  the                                                               
water  in  Alaska,  and  she  expressed  her  opposition  to  the                                                               
resolution to open  ANWR to oil development.  Her  family is from                                                               
the Interior  and has  lived in  this land  for millennia.   Some                                                               
places, such as  ANWR, are too special to drill:   development of                                                               
this land  is not worth  the price.   Ms. Brollier said  the land                                                               
must  be  protected and  preserved  for  future generations,  and                                                               
expressed  her  solidarity with  the  Gwich'in  people and  their                                                               
right  to  continue  their way  of  life.      She said  she  was                                                               
testifying  in  opposition to  HJR  5  because she  believes  the                                                               
resolution is not  the answer to Alaska's  problems; although oil                                                               
and gas revenue is important to  the state, there is a better way                                                               
to maintain a strong economy in  Alaska.  Ms. Broillier urged for                                                               
the  committee  to  find  a  new   way  to  find  energy,  and  a                                                               
sustainable  way of  life,  that does  not  compromise the  land,                                                               
animals, and a traditional way of life.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:31:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HALEY JOHNSTON,  Wilderness Guide and Operations  Manager, Alaska                                                               
Alpine  Adventures,  expressed  her  opposition  to  HJR  5.  She                                                               
informed  the  committee  ANWR   to  her  represents  employment,                                                               
recreation,  and  spiritual  escape;  she has  been  working  and                                                               
traveling in the  refuge and throughout the Brooks  Range for the                                                               
past  seven years.      From the  tundra  to  the coastal  plain,                                                               
exploring ANWR is a passion for  her.   The refuge encompasses 19                                                               
million acres and along with  3.5 million acres of protected land                                                               
adjacent in Canada, polar bears,  nesting sites, hunting grounds,                                                               
caribou,  wolves,  other  animals, birds,  plants,  and  cultural                                                               
sites are  protected.   Damage to  the natural  world, even  in a                                                               
small corner of the area,  could "send waves of disruption across                                                               
the  whole refuge."    Ms. Johnston  travels  with visitors  from                                                               
around the  world who come  to the  refuge because the  refuge is                                                               
wild,  and has  an intact  ecosystem and  wildlife, that  may not                                                               
endure.    Tourism creates  many  jobs  for Alaskans,  and  other                                                               
industries  should  not take  a  back  seat to  natural  resource                                                               
extraction.  As  the world moves away from its  dependence on oil                                                               
and gas, over  70 percent of Alaskans worry about  the effects of                                                               
climate change.   She urged that the committee  not sacrifice one                                                               
of Alaska's last wild spaces.                                                                                                   
2:34:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDY   MODEROW,  State   Director,   Alaska  Wilderness   League,                                                               
characterized HJR 5  as a shortsighted proposal that  does not do                                                               
justice to Alaska's  long history, nor build a  legacy for future                                                               
generations.   The lands of  Alaska have provided for  people for                                                               
thousands  of years,  and he  cautioned  against affecting  clean                                                               
air,  land,  and  waters.   The  transition  from  Alaska's  main                                                               
commodity  has  become  a  necessity, not  just  because  of  the                                                               
impacts of climate  change, but because world  markets have moved                                                               
on to  something new.  Mr.  Moderow advised that the  state needs                                                               
to  seek  long-term strategies  and  not  short-term fixes.    He                                                               
referred to  a letter provided  to the committee that  was signed                                                               
by 1,245  Alaskans who believe  Alaska's economic  problems won't                                                               
be solved by  simply drilling.  He urged the  committee to make a                                                               
do not pass recommendation of HJR 5.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   JOSEPHSON  inquired   as  to   whether  the   [pending                                                               
congressional  legislation] could  pass  with the  support of  51                                                               
U.S. Senators.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MODEROW said he did not know.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH  asked whether  there is a  commitment that                                                               
industry or a stakeholder group could  make to "set your minds at                                                               
ease."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MODEROW  opined  that  the Arctic  refuge  needs  to  remain                                                               
untouched.   He has heard from  those in Arctic Village  and from                                                               
Gwich'in, the  story of the  land and its history  and importance                                                               
that makes drilling of the refuge an untenable proposition.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:37:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUZANNE BOSTROM,  staff attorney,  Trustees for Alaska,  said her                                                               
public interest environmental  law firm was founded  40 years ago                                                               
and  works  to  protect  the  Arctic  refuge  from  oil  and  gas                                                               
activities.  She directed attention  to the resolution related to                                                               
Sections  1002 and  1003 of  the Alaska  National Interest  Lands                                                               
Conservation  Act  (ANILCA)  [passed  in  the  U.S.  Congress  on                                                               
11/12/80] that read:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS, in  16 U.S.C.  3143 (sec.  1003 of  the Alaska                                                                    
     National Interest Lands   Conservation Act), the United                                                                    
     States Congress  reserved the right  to permit  oil and                                                                    
     gas   development  and  production  within the  coastal                                                                    
     plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge; and                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     WHEREAS, in  16 U.S.C.  3142 (sec.  1002 of  the Alaska                                                                    
     National Interest  Lands Conservation Act),  the United                                                                    
     States  Congress   authorized  nondrilling  exploratory                                                                    
     activity  within  the  coastal   plain  of  the  Arctic                                                                    
     National Wildlife Refuge (the "1002 study area"); and                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BOSTROM  said  the  foregoing  language  is  misleading  and                                                               
legally inaccurate;  there is a common  misunderstanding that the                                                               
coastal plain was  set aside for future oil  and gas development,                                                               
which  is reiterated  by  the first  WHEREAS  in the  resolution.                                                               
Congress barred  oil and  gas development  and production  on the                                                               
coastal plain, and  Section 1003 prohibits the  production of oil                                                               
and gas  in the Arctic  refuge, and leasing or  other development                                                               
leading  to  production of  oil  and  gas.   The  second  WHEREAS                                                               
statement  is  also  inaccurate;  Congress  was  concerned  about                                                               
impacts  to the  coastal plain,  and it  only authorized  a time-                                                               
limited exploration program - which  was completed in the 1980s -                                                               
thus exploration is no longer allowed  on the coastal plain.  Ms.                                                               
Bostrom  also pointed  out  that HJR  5  states that  development                                                               
would  take  place  with  minimal  impacts  to  the  environment;                                                               
however,  the bills  proposed in  Congress do  not achieve  these                                                               
goals,  but  undercut  and eliminate  environmental  reviews  and                                                               
protections for the Porcupine caribou  herd and other "values" in                                                               
the  refuge.    She  said her  organization  strongly  urged  the                                                               
committee not to adopt the resolution.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:40:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
YOSUHIRO OZURU  informed the committee  he has been  an Anchorage                                                               
resident  for  seven  years.     He  questioned  the  benefit  of                                                               
developing  oil and  the assumption  that oil  development brings                                                               
economic  development,  happiness,  and  wellbeing  to  Alaskans;                                                               
however,  low  oil  prices are  introducing  instability  to  the                                                               
Alaska  economy and  he  posed the  alternative  vision that  the                                                               
Alaska economy can be based on more communal (indisc.).                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:41:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LOIS EPSTEIN,  Arctic Program  Director, The  Wilderness Society,                                                               
informed the committee  she is a licensed engineer  and has lived                                                               
in Alaska since  2001.  Ms. Epstein said ANWR's  coastal plain is                                                               
a sensitive  ecological area;  in fact,  the coastal  plain, also                                                               
known as  the 1002 Area,  is the  home to polar  bears, migratory                                                               
birds,  and the  Porcupine  caribou head,  consisting of  200,000                                                               
animals.  Arctic conditions are  changing with global warming and                                                               
although the Porcupine  caribou herd is now  healthy, the Central                                                               
Arctic  caribou herd  near Prudhoe  Bay  is down  from 70,000  to                                                               
22,000  animals.   As  an engineer  and a  member  of an  Alyeska                                                               
pipeline advisory committee,  she said she is  very familiar with                                                               
the  Trans-Alaska  Pipeline  System   (TAPS),  and  advised  that                                                               
engineering  and  economic  studies  have  shown  that  TAPS  can                                                               
operate for another 50 years  with known reserves - not including                                                               
additional oil from ANWR - which  further belies the need for oil                                                               
exploration  in  the  coastal  plain  [documents  not  provided].                                                               
Furthermore, recent  major finds in  Nanushuk and in  the Greater                                                               
Mooses Tooth  Unit will support  TAPS longer.  She  observed that                                                               
HJR 5 differs  from previous related resolutions  in its context:                                                               
the U.  S. Environmental  Protection Agency  (EPA) may  be scaled                                                               
back.    Currently, EPA  provides  grants  to the  Department  of                                                               
Environmental  Conservation for  spill  prevention and  response;                                                               
said grants are now in jeopardy,  and responding to spills on the                                                               
North  Slope is  expensive.   Because of  the sensitivity  of the                                                               
coastal plain,  the lack of  need for  ANWR oil to  maintain TAPS                                                               
operations,   and  the   Trump   Administration's  hostility   to                                                               
environmental concerns,  she asked  the committee not  to support                                                               
HJR  5.    Legislators  should   ensure  that  House  legislative                                                               
resolutions  are   an  accurate   reflection  of  facts   and  of                                                               
legislators' intent.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH asked  whether  Ms.  Epstein has  consulted                                                               
Alyeska  Pipeline Service  Company  regarding  its great  concern                                                               
about the reduction in throughput  and the need for increased oil                                                               
exploration and development to keep pipeline volumes up.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  EPSTEIN said  yes.   She  advised that  from an  operational                                                               
standpoint  there  are  a  number  of  measures  to  address  any                                                               
diminished quantities [of oil]; in fact,  it is not clear that in                                                               
the  next decade  there  will  be less  throughput  with the  new                                                               
finds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:46:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON said  he shared  Ms. Epstein's  concern about                                                               
the   new   administration's   hostility   toward   environmental                                                               
interests.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:46:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STANLEY EDWIN said  he is Gwich'in from the Yukon  Flats area and                                                               
holds Bachelors  of Science in  Physics and  Atmospheric Science,                                                               
and is a PhD student at  the University of Alaska Fairbanks.  His                                                               
is a unique situation in that  he also subsists, and thus can see                                                               
environmental changes  when he  is hunting  and in  his research.                                                               
Mr. Edwin  spoke in opposition  to [HJR 5 and  HJR 4].   There is                                                               
now a  gag order on the  National Science Foundation and  EPA and                                                               
"everybody wants  to jump  into oil  development."   However, the                                                               
name Arctic  implies sensitivity  to any  form of  development or                                                               
disturbance in wildlife; for example,  everything in the world is                                                               
linked  and nothing  stands alone.   For  future generations,  he                                                               
said he opposes any form  of development, and asked the committee                                                               
to think of  the generations of people who have  lived off of the                                                               
land and animals in a very harsh environment.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  has heard  anecdotally that there  are more                                                               
caribou in the  proximity of TAPS, and asked whether  in the last                                                               
40 years  there has  been a reduction  in the  caribou population                                                               
"farther east."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. EDWIN  said he lives further  east of ANWR and  his relatives                                                               
and extended  family live all over  the Interior.  He  was unsure                                                               
of  the nature  of the  caribou herd;  however, the  Arctic is  a                                                               
wildlife refuge to protect everything for future generations.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:51:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMMA FUNK  said she is  a lifelong  Alaskan from Fairbanks.   She                                                               
spoke in opposition  to HJR 4 and  HJR 5 and the  opening of ANWR                                                               
to drilling.  The refuge is  one of the largest intact ecosystems                                                               
in  the  world  and  is  uniquely  valuable  due  to  its  Arctic                                                               
biodiversity,  including  caribou  and   migratory  birds.    The                                                               
coastal plain  represents over one  million acres of  the refuge;                                                               
the  infrastructure   required  for  drilling,  such   as  roads,                                                               
pipelines,  and airstrips,  would destroy  habitat and  interrupt                                                               
migratory  patterns.    Further,  drilling  would  contribute  to                                                               
climate change.   Preservation of  the land  is also an  issue of                                                               
Alaska  Native cultural  heritage and  subsistence.   Drilling is                                                               
not a  sustainable fix for  Alaska's economic problems  and would                                                               
cause irrevocable ecological damage.   She urged the committee to                                                               
vote no and protect ANWR.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:52:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LACHLAN GILLISPIE said  he is a lifelong Alaskan  born and raised                                                               
in Fairbanks.  The Arctic  National Wildlife Refuge covers nearly                                                               
20 million acres of Arctic habitat  with 1.2 million acres of the                                                               
coastal  plain at  the  heart of  the refuge.    Drilling in  the                                                               
coastal  plain will  have major  adverse effects  on biodiversity                                                               
throughout  the  refuge.   Developing  the  coastal  plain  would                                                               
involve  stripping rivers  and streambeds  of  millions of  cubic                                                               
yards   of   gravel  for   roads,   airstrips,   and  drill   pad                                                               
construction, and will also include  diversions of freshwater and                                                               
exposure  of  wetlands  to  contamination.    Further,  it  would                                                               
destroy tundra to build infrastructure  such as housing and sewer                                                               
facilities.   Studies  have  shown that  drilling  in ANWR  would                                                               
impact  muskox and  caribou populations,  taint and  reduce water                                                               
supplies,  and  place  polar  bears   at  risk  from  oil  spills                                                               
[documents not provided].   In 1989, the Exxon  Valdez tanker oil                                                               
spill [in  Prince William Sound  on 3/24/89]  reduced populations                                                               
of harbor  seals by over 30  percent in the four  years following                                                               
the spill.   Mr. Gillespie spoke of  the irreplaceable wilderness                                                               
and cultural  heritage of ANWR,  and encouraged the  committee to                                                               
oppose HJR 4 and HJR 5.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:54:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRAN MAUER stated  he has worked as a wildlife  biologist in ANWR                                                               
for 21 years,  where he studied wildlife  including the Porcupine                                                               
caribou herd, moose, Dall sheep, and  birds of prey.  In addition                                                               
to learning  about the wildlife, he  saw the land in  the context                                                               
of  its value  to  Alaskans  and the  world.    The caribou  have                                                               
received the  most attention,  due to impacts  that may  occur to                                                               
them  from oil  development, and  that  they are  crucial to  the                                                               
survival of  Gwich'in people in  Alaska and Canada.   The coastal                                                               
plain is the  most heavily used calving grounds  of the Porcupine                                                               
herd, and impacts to the herd  would be far-ranging.  The coastal                                                               
plain is  unlike the North  Slope tundra near  Prudhoe Bay;    in                                                               
the refuge, the mountains leave  only a narrow area where females                                                               
give  birth; there  are  five times  as many  animals  as in  the                                                               
Prudhoe  Bay  area,  yet  they  depend  upon  one-fifth  as  much                                                               
habitat.  Studies  have shown that if females  are displaced from                                                               
development areas during calving  season there is generally ample                                                               
habitat  at  Prudhoe Bay,  but  in  the  refuge, if  caribou  are                                                               
displaced  they  will be  pushed  to  areas of  higher  predation                                                               
mortality near  the mountains  leading to a  decline of  the herd                                                               
[documents  not provided].   Other  wildlife  would be  adversely                                                               
affected.   Mr. Mauer  said ANWR is  an immensely  valuable place                                                               
and urged the committee to oppose [HJR 5].                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:56:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BERNADETTE  DEMIENTIEFF,  Executive Director,  Gwich'in  Steering                                                               
Committee, stated  she is Gwichyaa  Gwich'in from Fort  Yukon and                                                               
as  the executive  director of  the Gwich'in  Steering Committee,                                                               
represents  8,000 people  who depend  upon the  Porcupine caribou                                                               
herd and  who have a  spiritual and cultural connection  to them.                                                               
She said  she is  speaking for all  children because  parents and                                                               
grandparents  don't want  their children  to struggle  to survive                                                               
because we  failed to protect  our land and  animals.  It  is our                                                               
responsibility  to leave  a  healthy place  for  our children  to                                                               
live, and  it is the  responsibility of legislators to  take care                                                               
of not only the  people, but of the land and  animals.  On behalf                                                               
of her  people, she asked the  committee to protect the  heart of                                                               
Alaska,  the Porcupine  caribou  herd, and  the  Gwich'in way  of                                                               
life, and oppose [HJR] 4 and [HJR] 5.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH  suggested  that witnesses  submit  written                                                               
testimony to the committee to aid in his research.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON supplied email addresses for the co-chairs.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TARR   noted  email  testimony  to   the  committee  is                                                               
available online.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:00:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CSHJR 5(AET) was held over with public testimony open.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:00:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 3:00 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 006 sponsor statement 1.19.17.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
bill
HB 6
yes
HB006 Hearing Request.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
yes
HB006 Supporting Document-ADN Article.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-DNR Petition.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
yes
HB006 Supporting Document-Jonesville Action Plan.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-KTUU Article.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-Map of Area.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-MSB Letter.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-Sutton Resolution.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 ver D.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-Frontiersman Editorial.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Supporting Document-Lynne Woods letter.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Fiscal Note DFG 1.21.17.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Fiscal Note DPS 1.21.17.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Fiscal Note DPS 2 1.21.17.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HJR6 CS Work Draft Version D 1.23.17.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 6
HJR6 Explanation of Changes--Version A to Version D 1.23.17.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 6
HJR 5 Fiscal Note LAA.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 5
HJR 5 - Supporting Document - Estimates of Undiscovered Oil and Gas Resources.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 5
HJR 4 - Sponsor Statement 1 24 2016.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 4
HJR 4 1 24 2016.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 4
HJR 4 Supporting Documentation 1 24 2016.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 4
HB006 Letter of Support 1.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HJR004 Fiscal Note LAA.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 4
HJR006 Fiscal Note LAA.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 6
HJR 5 Opposition Document Campbell Webb Letter.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 5
HB 006 MSB Assembly Jim Sykes Draft Resolution.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB 006 sponsor statement 1.19.17.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HB006 Public Comment 1.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 6
HJR005 Public Comment 1.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJR 5
HB006 Amendment D.1.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 006 rauscher Amendment 1.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 006 Rauscher amendment 3.pdf HRES 1/27/2017 1:00:00 PM