Legislature(2015 - 2016)BARNES 124

03/25/2015 01:00 PM RESOURCES

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01:01:05 PM Start
01:03:08 PM HB100
01:20:24 PM HB128
01:31:57 PM Confirmation Hearing(s): Board of Game
02:24:20 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 100 UREA/AMMONIA FACILITY TAX CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 100(RES) Out of Committee
-- Invited/Public Testimony --
+ HB 128 ALASKA WILD SALMON DAY TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 128 Out of Committee
-- Invited/Public Testimony --
+ Confirmation Hearing: TELECONFERENCED
Board of Game
-- Invited/Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 25, 2015                                                                                         
                           1:01 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Benjamin Nageak, Co-Chair                                                                                        
Representative David Talerico, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Bob Herron                                                                                                       
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Kurt Olson                                                                                                       
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Hawker, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Representative Jim Colver                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 100                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing a credit against the net income tax for an                                                                 
in-state processing facility that manufactures urea or ammonia;                                                                 
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 100(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 128                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing August 10 of each year as Alaska Wild                                                                      
Salmon Day."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 128 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Board of Game                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Teresa Sager Albaugh - Fairbanks                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Kip Fanning - Yakutat                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 100                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SHORT TITLE: UREA/AMMONIA FACILITY TAX CREDIT                                                                                   
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) CHENAULT                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
02/09/15       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/09/15       (H)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
03/11/15       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/11/15       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/11/15       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
03/25/15       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 128                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SHORT TITLE: ALASKA WILD SALMON DAY                                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) EDGMON                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
02/27/15       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/27/15       (H)       FSH, RES                                                                                               
03/12/15       (H)       FSH RPT 4DP                                                                                            
03/12/15       (H)       DP: HERRON, FOSTER, MILLETT, STUTES                                                                    
03/12/15       (H)       FSH AT 10:00 AM CAPITOL 120                                                                            
03/12/15       (H)       Moved  HB 128 Out of Committee                                                                         
03/12/15       (H)       MINUTE(FSH)                                                                                            
03/25/15       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DONALD BULLOCK, House Majority Staff                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  During the hearing on HB 100, explained the                                                              
purpose of Amendment 2.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BRYCE EDGMON                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as prime sponsor of HB 128.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
THERESA SAGER ALBAUGH, Appointee                                                                                                
Board of Game                                                                                                                   
Mentasta Pass, Alaska                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:   As appointee  to the position of  the Board                                                             
of Game, discussed her qualifications and answered questions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KIP FANNING, Appointee                                                                                                          
Board of Game                                                                                                                   
Yakutat, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   As appointee  to the position of  the Board                                                             
of Game, discussed his qualifications and answered questions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
GARY STEVENS                                                                                                                    
Chugiak, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Ms. Albaugh and Mr. Fanning to the Board of Game.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
AL BARRETTE                                                                                                                     
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Albaugh to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MIKE TINKER                                                                                                                     
Alaska Wildlife Conservation Association                                                                                        
Ester, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Ms. Albaugh and Mr. Fanning to the Board of Game.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JAMES KOWALSKY                                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the appointments                                                             
of Ms. Albaugh and Mr. Fanning to the Board of Game.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
THOR STACEY, Lobbyist                                                                                                           
Alaska Professional Hunters Association (APHA)                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Ms. Albaugh and Mr. Fanning to the Board of Game.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:01:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BENJAMIN NAGEAK  called  the  House Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to  order  at   1:01  p.m.    Representatives                                                               
Johnson, Josephson, Herron, Olson,  Seaton, Talerico, and Nageak.                                                               
Representative  Tarr  arrived as  the  meeting  was in  progress.                                                               
Representative Colver was also present.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
            HB 100-UREA/AMMONIA FACILITY TAX CREDIT                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:03:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR NAGEAK  announced that  the first  order of  business is                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 100,  "An Act establishing  a credit  against the                                                               
net  income   tax  for  an  in-state   processing  facility  that                                                               
manufactures  urea or  ammonia;  and providing  for an  effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:03:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON moved  to adopt  Amendment 1,  labeled 29-                                                               
LS0423\H.3, Nauman, 3/18/15, which read:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 10, following "delivered":                                                                                    
          Insert "in the taxable year of the taxpayer"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 13, following "zero.":                                                                                        
          Insert "An unused tax credit or portion of a tax                                                                      
     credit received under this section may not be carried                                                                      
       forward for use in a taxable year of the taxpayer                                                                        
     after the taxable year in which the credit is earned."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:04:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON explained  Amendment 1  would ensure  that                                                               
the credits  are available for that  year in that if  the royalty                                                               
credits are  greater than the  corporate tax credit it  cannot be                                                               
carried on  for future  years.   He explained  this is  a 10-year                                                               
program  that  is  available  and those  credits  each  year  are                                                               
available, but must be used in that year.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO removed his objection.   There being no further                                                               
objection, Amendment 1 passed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:05:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON moved  to adopt  Amendment 2,  labeled 29-                                                               
LS0423\H.6, Nauman, 3/24/15, which read:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 10, following "to":                                                                                           
          Insert "the in-state processing facility owned                                                                        
     by"                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:06:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  indicated   that  Amendment  2  clarifies                                                               
language and asked the sponsor to address the amendment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DONALD BULLOCK,  House Majority Staff, Alaska  State Legislature,                                                               
explained that  the purpose of  Amendment 2  is in response  to a                                                               
concern  expressed by  the Department  of Revenue  to narrow  the                                                               
credit  to the  gas delivered  to a  taxpayer for  the processing                                                               
into urea of  ammonia.  He offered the scenario  that an owner of                                                               
a plant bought  gas to heat another facility and  they bought the                                                               
gas to  be used in the  processing plant, only the  gas delivered                                                               
to the processing plant owned  by that taxpayer would be eligible                                                               
to generate the credit.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:07:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON removed  his objection.   There  being no                                                               
further objection, Amendment 2 passed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:08:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON moved  to adopt  Amendment 3,  labeled 29-                                                               
LS0423\H.7, Nauman, 3/24/15, which read:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 2, following "ammonia;":                                                                                    
          Insert "relating to establishing the value of the                                                                   
     state's  royalty  share  of  gas  production  based  on                                                                  
     contracts with  certain in-state  processing facilities                                                                  
     that manufacture urea or ammonia;"                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, following line 3:                                                                                                  
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
        "* Section  1. AS 38.05.180 is  amended by  adding a                                                                
     new subsection to read:                                                                                                    
          (ll)  For a contract that is entered into on or                                                                       
     after the effective date of  this subsection, within 90                                                                    
     days after the  written request of a lessee  of a lease                                                                    
     issued under  this section, in  order to  establish the                                                                    
     value of  the state's  royalty share of  gas production                                                                    
     sold   by   the   lessee  under   the   contract,   the                                                                    
     commissioner  may  enter  into an  agreement  with  the                                                                    
     lessee  to use  or accept  as a  price for  the gas  an                                                                    
     amount that is  not less than the  price established in                                                                    
     the  contract  between  the   lessee  and  an  in-state                                                                    
     processing  facility  whose  primary  function  is  the                                                                    
     manufacturing  and sale  of urea  or  ammonia to  third                                                                    
     parties  in arm's  length transactions,  not to  exceed                                                                    
     the  amount  that  would otherwise  be  due  under  the                                                                    
     lease.  The commissioner  may enter  into an  agreement                                                                    
     under this subsection if                                                                                                   
               (1)  the commissioner makes a written                                                                            
     finding that                                                                                                               
               (A)  it is in the best interest of the                                                                           
     state; and                                                                                                                 
               (B)  based on clear and convincing evidence,                                                                     
     the contract price is not unreasonably low; and                                                                            
               (2)  the primary function of the in-state                                                                        
     processing facility  is to engage in  the production of                                                                    
     urea  or  ammonia,  and  the   owner  of  the  in-state                                                                    
     processing facility  with which the lessee  has entered                                                                    
     into the contract is not  affiliated with the lessee or                                                                    
     with a subsequent purchaser of  more than 10 percent of                                                                    
     the  urea or  ammonia  produced; for  purposes of  this                                                                    
     paragraph, the  parties to a  contract or  purchase are                                                                    
     affiliated  if, in  the judgment  of the  commissioner,                                                                    
     one  of  the  parties   to  the  contract  or  purchase                                                                    
     exercises substantial  influence over the  policies and                                                                    
     actions  of  the  other as  evidenced  by  relationship                                                                    
     based  on common  ownership or  family  interest or  by                                                                    
     action taken in concert  without regard to whether that                                                                    
     influence  is  based  on  stockholdings,  stockholders,                                                                    
     officers, or directors."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 4:                                                                                                            
          Delete "Section 1"                                                                                                  
          Insert "Sec. 2"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, following line 13:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                           
          "(c) To claim a credit under this section, the                                                                        
     taxpayer  shall report  to the  department the  name of                                                                    
     each  lessee delivering  natural  gas  to the  in-state                                                                    
     processing  facility, the  identification and  quantity                                                                    
     of  natural  gas from  each  state  lease that  is  the                                                                    
     source  of  the natural  gas,  and  the price  for  the                                                                    
     natural  gas  established  in a  contract  between  the                                                                    
     owner  of  the  in-state processing  facility  and  the                                                                    
     lessee delivering the natural gas."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 3:                                                                                                            
          Delete "sec. 1"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 2"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 6:                                                                                                            
          Delete "Sections 1 and 3"                                                                                             
          Insert "Sections 1, 2, and 4"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 7:                                                                                                            
          Delete "Section 2"                                                                                                    
          Insert "Section 3"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:08:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:08:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BULLOCK  described Amendment  3 as  an interesting  credit as                                                               
unlike  an  investment  tax  credit,   where  the  taxpayer  buys                                                               
something and they know what they  paid for it and can figure out                                                               
what the  credit is.  This  credit is based upon  the royalty due                                                               
on the leases that produce the  gas that the taxpayer will use in                                                               
the processing  plant.   He advised this  is similar  to existing                                                               
law in  the oil &  gas leasing  statute.  Currently,  the statute                                                               
addresses  gas that  is sold  and contracts  for sale  to certain                                                               
electric utilities,  and there is another  provision allowing the                                                               
contract to set the price  for agricultural chemicals.  Amendment                                                               
3, he noted,  parallels the existing language in  that the lessee                                                               
first  of  all negotiate  with  the  processing plant,  which  he                                                               
describes as an  arm's length transaction with the goal  to set a                                                               
reasonable market  price, or  a price  the state  would otherwise                                                               
use to  value the gas royalty  purposes.  By doing  this ahead of                                                               
time,  the lessee  selling  the gas  to  the processing  facility                                                               
submits the  contract to  the commissioner  of the  Department of                                                               
Natural Resources  (DNR).   The commission  then would  review it                                                               
and determine whether  it is a reasonable contract  with no games                                                               
being played, the parties aren't too  close, and with the goal to                                                               
get  it to  the price  that would  have resulted  if the  gas was                                                               
later audited for  royalty purposes.  He described it  as a check                                                               
in determining that it is a  legitimate price.  He explained that                                                               
by doing  it this way,  rather than  subjecting the royalty  to a                                                               
later  audit, the  taxpayer knows  what  the credits  will be  as                                                               
there is a contract price and  a percentage of the contract price                                                               
represents the  royalty.  The  taxpayer knows that  the producer,                                                               
the  lessee, has  some stability  in knowing  what their  royalty                                                               
will be on  that gas and the commissioner would  have reviewed it                                                               
and determined it is  the price that makes sense.    He opined it                                                               
is better than  the alternative to try and say  that the taxpayer                                                               
takes a credit and then down the  road, it turns out that the gas                                                               
wasn't worth as  much, or worth more.  He  opined that raises the                                                               
question  of, what  should be  done  with the  credits since  the                                                               
credit is based on the royalty,  and the royalty has changed.  He                                                               
commented  that Amendment  3, deals  with that  issue upfront  as                                                               
everyone know what  the credit is and the lessee  selling the gas                                                               
knows what their royalty is.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:11:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[The committee  treated the objection  as removed.]   There being                                                               
no further objection, Amendment 3 passed.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:12:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO  moved to report  HB 100,  labeled 29-LS0423\H,                                                               
as amended, out of committee  with individual recommendations and                                                               
the accompanying fiscal notes from committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:13:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON objected  for the  purpose of  discussion,                                                               
and  offered that  there is  discomfort with  credits across  the                                                               
industry.   He pointed  out that this  is fairly  small, targeted                                                               
specifically to the amount of  corporate income tax offset by gas                                                               
that would be purchased  for instate use.  He noted  it has a 10-                                                               
year window  and if not used  within 10-years, or any  portion of                                                               
that 10-years, it is not a  rolling 10-years so he is comfortable                                                               
that sideboards  are tight enough that  it would be a  benefit to                                                               
the  state  to get  the  additional  work  done  and add  to  the                                                               
benefits of  restarting an  industry.   He expressed  his general                                                               
feeling is  that broad tax  credits are  a problem to  the state,                                                               
and this bill is not as it  is based on actual profitability.  He                                                               
described the  bill as  a well-crafted tax  credit as  opposed to                                                               
those  that could  put  the state  at risk  as  being very  broad                                                               
based, based upon the amount of investment someone makes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:15:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  said he  fully associates  himself with                                                               
Representative   Seaton's   comments,   and  added   he   doesn't                                                               
understand why  the applicant says  they will spend  $275 million                                                               
and want just a few million  dollars of assistance in the form of                                                               
a credit.   He opined  the case made  is compelling and  will not                                                               
object to the bill leaving committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:15:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR   said  she   shares  in  the   comments  of                                                               
Representative  Josephson   and  appreciates  how  the   bill  is                                                               
targeted.    She  recalled  in   previous  budgets  there  was  a                                                               
consideration  of funds  to help  support the  plant when  it was                                                               
having difficult  times.  She  researched the issue, and  in 2007                                                               
the legislature  gave the plant  a $5 million capital  project to                                                               
help the company continue when  there was a natural gas shortage.                                                               
She opined that the investments  being made sound substantial and                                                               
other issues  have been resolved  so going forward  the committee                                                               
will not have  to consider some of the same  options again should                                                               
they find themselves  in trouble.  She said she  looks forward to                                                               
a number  of jobs and the  $275 million of investment  in Alaska.                                                               
She expressed her  hope that the legislature plans  better in the                                                               
future  for potential  gas shortages  and it  won't have  to come                                                               
back on this issue.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON removed  his  objection.   There being  no                                                               
further   objection,  HB   100,  as   amended,  with   individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying  fiscal notes  was reported                                                               
from the House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:17 to 1:20 p.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                 HB 128-ALASKA WILD SALMON DAY                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:20:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO  announced that the  next order of  business is                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO.  128, "An Act establishing August 10  of each year                                                               
as Alaska Wild Salmon Day."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:20:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BRYCE  EDGMON, Alaska State Legislature,  as prime                                                               
sponsor, introduced  HB 128 and  advised it sets aside  August 10                                                               
each year to  celebrate the Alaska Wild Salmon.   He advised that                                                               
the bill  creates an  opportunity for  all Alaskans  to celebrate                                                               
[wild king, sockeye,  coho, and pink] salmon  from any standpoint                                                               
they so desire.   Research indicates that the creation  of a wild                                                               
salmon  day  also  offers  those in  the  tourism  industry,  and                                                               
marketers of all things Alaska,  an opportunity to have the cache                                                               
of Alaska Wild Salmon Day, he  offered.  In drafting the bill, he                                                               
said,  they  worked  with tourism  industry  entities  and  chose                                                               
August 10  as it was a  date unoccupied by any  other Alaska day,                                                               
and  it wasn't  in the  month  of July  which is  stacked with  a                                                               
number of celebrations.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:23:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON  asked whether August 10  is Representative                                                               
Edgmon's birthday.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  replied it is  not his birthday and  is an                                                               
arbitrary date.   He advised  that those in the  tourism industry                                                               
believe  August 10  is still  during  the height  of the  tourist                                                               
season, and  that it would  be appropriate  to set one  day aside                                                               
for those coming  into the state as tourists as  well as Alaskans                                                               
to celebrate Alaska Salmon Day.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON asked whether  the sponsor would support an                                                               
amendment offered by United Fishermen  of Alaska to change "chum"                                                               
to "keta."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON responded that  "chum" is the more accepted                                                               
term, but  he would defer  to the  committee's will.   He pointed                                                               
out that most people know "dog salmon" as "chum salmon."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO  opened public  testimony then closed  it after                                                               
ascertaining no one wished to testify.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:25:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  said  he  is unsure  the  date  is  right                                                               
because  two weeks  ago, 259  king  salmon were  caught in  Homer                                                               
during  the  tournament,  and  a February  date  may  be  better.                                                               
Salmon  are  ubiquitous around  Alaska  and  are very  valued  by                                                               
everyone, he stated, and he supports the bill.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON  concurred that  salmon is Alaska's  way of                                                               
life and recognizing wild salmon is a great honor for Alaska.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  supported the  bill and asked  whether there                                                               
would be an Alaska Wild Salmon Day song to help celebrate.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR NAGEAK  advised it is  appropriate that wild  salmon are                                                               
celebrated on August 10.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:27:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  moved  to  report  HB  128,  labeled  29-                                                               
LS0563\W, out  of committee  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
the accompanying  zero fiscal notes.   There being  no objection,                                                               
HB 128 was reported from the House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:27 to 1:31 p.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):  Board of Game                                                                                        
            CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):  Board of Game                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
1:31:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO  brought before the committee  the appointments                                                               
of Teresa  Sager Albaugh  and Kip  Fanning to  a position  on the                                                               
Board  of Game.   [The  committee packets  contained biographical                                                               
information on both appointees.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:32:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
THERESA SAGER  ALBAUGH, Appointee, Board  of Game, said she  is a                                                               
life-long Alaskan,  raised within  a hunting and  fishing family,                                                               
lives at Mentasta Pass with  her husband, cuts wood, hauls water,                                                               
and learns  of news  events through their  radio and  internet as                                                               
they do not have network  or satellite television.  She explained                                                               
that the common thread running  through all of her experiences is                                                               
hunting  and fishing,  and she  enjoys  sharing those  traditions                                                               
with  younger   members  of  the   family.    In  terms   of  her                                                               
professional  background, currently  she works  for a  consulting                                                               
company    designing   and    managing   community    improvement                                                               
construction  projects in  the  rural areas  of  Alaska, and  she                                                               
gained experience  with the statutory  and regulatory  process by                                                               
working  for members  of the  Interior Delegation  in the  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature.   She  opined that  her  contribution to  the                                                               
Board of Game  is primarily from the perspective  and position of                                                               
a  resident  Alaskan  who  has  lived in  both  urban  and  rural                                                               
environments.  She  expressed her appreciation of  serving on the                                                               
board for the past six years.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:35:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON noted that the  only data he has seen on                                                               
the  subject  of visitors  able  to  view  wolves at  the  Denali                                                               
National Park and Preserve was  44 percent in 2010, and currently                                                               
4 percent of the  visitors see them.  He asked  whether that is a                                                               
consideration the Board  of Game should keep in  mind when making                                                               
decisions regarding buffer zones.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. SAGER ALBAUGH  replied it is one of many  considerations.  On                                                               
this  issue she  has attempted  to  keep in  mind the  additional                                                               
consideration  of  allowing visitors  to  Alaska  to observe  and                                                               
experience what the  "real Alaska" has to offer.   Sometimes that                                                               
involved abundant wildlife where many  animals can be seen from a                                                               
vehicle  or bus,  and sometimes  it  means that  wildlife is  not                                                               
abundant and, therefore, not available  to view.  She opined that                                                               
the reduction  in the view  ability of wolves mention  within the                                                               
percentage figure is  a case in point and  described her comments                                                               
as the perspective she tries to give to that issue.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  observed  that  Ms.  Albaugh's  resume                                                               
referred to "Slana Alaskans Unite,"  and asked her to explain the                                                               
group.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. SAGER ALBAUGH responded she no  longer serves on the board of                                                               
Slana Alaskans Unite,  but is a member of the  organization.  She                                                               
explained that  Slana Alaskans  Unite was  formed when  parks and                                                               
preserves  were  created  under Alaska  National  Interest  Lands                                                               
Conservation Act  (ANILCA).   At the  time, chapters  of Alaskans                                                               
Unite  were  all over  the  state  which basically  were  citizen                                                               
organizations  formed  to  protect  the  uses  and  enjoyment  of                                                               
Alaska's lands  drawn into Park  and Wilderness  regulations, and                                                               
Slana Alaskans Unite was one of  many.  Slana Alaskans Unite, she                                                               
opined,  is  the only  remaining  chapter  in  the state  and  it                                                               
continues  to  watchdog the  regulations  and  activities of  the                                                               
National Park Service, and its  impact on Alaskans and people who                                                               
use those lands.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:38:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  referred to  an article from  two years                                                               
ago regarding the  "buffer zone" issue, and noted  that the press                                                               
could be incorrect.  He  read, "She supported removing the buffer                                                               
because, in  her view the  state shouldn't be managing  its lands                                                               
to meet  a federal purpose."   He questioned whether  there would                                                               
ever be  a circumstance where  a state and federal  purpose might                                                               
be the same in a given area.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SAGER  ALBAUGH answered "Yes,"  there are  probably instances                                                               
wherein the  state and  federal purposes  are aligned  in various                                                               
areas of the state.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:40:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON  asked what has surprised  and disappointed                                                               
her in the six years she served on the Board of Game.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SAGER ALBAUGH  replied that  her greatest  disappointment is                                                               
the need  for greater  support of  the advisory  committee system                                                               
across the  state, because  it is  so broad  and expansive.   She                                                               
opined  it is  very valuable  to the  board process  and advisory                                                               
committees are  limited in their  travel expenses and  the number                                                               
of  meetings it  can  hold.   The  advisory  committee system  is                                                               
[important] for the  Board of Game, and she  finds it unfortunate                                                               
it  is  not able  to  have  a  significantly greater  measure  of                                                               
participation in  advising the  Board of  Game.   She understands                                                               
that  the  budget  constraints  Alaska  is  currently  under  are                                                               
significant and the  legislature must struggle with  that, but in                                                               
terms of  significant disappointment  she has witnessed  over the                                                               
past six years,  that is a primary disappointment.   Her greatest                                                               
surprise is the  number of proposals submitted to  the board, and                                                               
the amount of time the board has  to process and deal with all of                                                               
the proposals.   Her first  meeting was  2009, and the  board met                                                               
for 10-11  days and had 243  proposals and, she advised,  she had                                                               
not  anticipated  the intense  schedule  and  that the  intensity                                                               
would be  as significant as it  was.  It remains  a challenge for                                                               
her, but she does appreciate the opportunity.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:43:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR,  regarding state and federal  purpose, asked                                                               
her to  elaborate on  the state and  the federal  government, and                                                               
game management.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SAGER  ALBAUGH  responded   that  the  current  relationship                                                               
between the state  and federal government is rather  rocky due to                                                               
federal overreach.   She pointed  specifically to  the provisions                                                               
of  ANILCA  in which  protections  were  basically guaranteed  to                                                               
Alaskans when  many federal lands  were established.   Currently,                                                               
there  have been  many moves  and maneuvers  by the  federal side                                                               
that basically  side-step or  abandon some  of the  provisions of                                                               
ANILCA and, she  stated, she is protective of  state interests in                                                               
that respect  and is  concerned regarding  the trajectory  of the                                                               
federal presence in Alaska.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:44:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR   requested  Ms.  Sager  Albaugh   to  email                                                               
specific examples from her experience on  the Board of Game as it                                                               
would be educational.   She asked whether the  appointee had been                                                               
following HB  137, which increases hunting  and fishing licensing                                                               
fees with regard  to resident versus non-resident.   This bill is                                                               
in consideration  of the federal  funds available for  the three-                                                               
to-one match with regard to  the Pittman-Robertson Federal Aid in                                                               
the Wildlife Restoration Act, she explained.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SAGER  ALBAUGH  said  she  will  forward  an  email  to  the                                                               
committee, together  with letters  from the Board  of Game.   Her                                                               
personal  recommendation  is  that  it is  advisable  to  revisit                                                               
license  fees,   particularly  considering  increases   for  non-                                                               
residents.    She opined  that  the  time  is right  to  consider                                                               
resident license fee  increases ... she urged  the legislature to                                                               
move cautiously  in establishing  resident tag fees  because many                                                               
of  these species  are directly  tied to  the harvest  of animals                                                               
basically  harvested  for  food.   She  pointed  out  that  while                                                               
Alaskans  are looking  for food  security and  the economy  being                                                               
what  it  is,  she  urged   caution  in  adopting  tag  fees  for                                                               
residents.   In looking toward  the species  primarily considered                                                               
trophy species,  such as Doll  Sheep and Brown Bear,  she advised                                                               
the   committee  that   they   are  the   more  coveted   harvest                                                               
opportunities primarily for trophy  purposes.  Residents would be                                                               
more inclined and  would probably be willing to  pay for resident                                                               
tags for those trophy species, she posited.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:49:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON referred to a  story in the paper a week                                                               
ago today  regarding the  proposal to  prohibit traps  and snares                                                               
within 200  feet of  trails on  the Kenai  Peninsula.   He opined                                                               
that  Ms.  Albaugh's view  was  that  people walking  their  dogs                                                               
should have  them on a  leash at all times,  essentially, stating                                                               
it was their problem.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SAGER   ALBAUGH  replied  that   Representative  Josephson's                                                               
statement is pretty close, as the  bottom line is that pet owners                                                               
who encountered problems with traps  are those who had their pets                                                               
off leash  and were  basically not conforming  to leash  laws and                                                               
not controlling their pets.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:51:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TALERICO  advised that  the  committee  will be  taking                                                               
public testimony on both appointees.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:52:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KIP  FANNING, Appointee,  Board  of  Game, said  he  was born  in                                                               
Fairbanks, lives in  Yakutat, was born into  a commercial guiding                                                               
family, and grew  up with a subsistence lifestyle.   He stated he                                                               
would like  to do what he  can to help preserve  the industry for                                                               
future generations.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:53:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  asked whether  he is willing  to listen                                                               
to  people   from  a   non-consumptive  perspective   who  prefer                                                               
watchable wildlife.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FANNING  replied "Certainly,"  in  that  he takes  pride  in                                                               
listening to various  opinions while attempting to  make the best                                                               
decisions  on  the board.    Obviously,  he pointed  out,  moose,                                                               
caribou, and sheep  hunting provides food for  many families, but                                                               
there  are also  people  who  would like  to  view these  animals                                                               
without fear of being shot, hunted,  or trapped.  He offered that                                                               
he doesn't  have a  problem with  that, but there  needs to  be a                                                               
balance in that  people must understand that  many people survive                                                               
from that  food.  "If  they want to go  see them, maybe  don't go                                                               
see them  during hunting  season, go see  them some  other time,"                                                               
but there definitely needs to be a balance, he said.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:54:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  observed  that  Mr.  Fanning's  application                                                               
states  he is  interested  in the  Aviation  Advisory Board,  the                                                               
Board  of Game,  or the  Permanent Fund  Corporation, which  is a                                                               
diverse  group of  boards.   She  asked whether  Mr. Fanning  has                                                               
previous board  experience coming into  what is described  by the                                                               
previous  appointee  as  a  complex   process  with  hundreds  of                                                               
proposals.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. FANNING responded  he does not have  previous experience with                                                               
boards, but  will do the  best job he can  and will keep  an open                                                               
mind,  ask  many  questions  of  witnesses,  and  make  the  best                                                               
decisions he can.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:56:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR asked  whether  the Board  of  Game was  Mr.                                                               
Fanning's second choice priority of the boards he requested.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FANNING answered  he has equal interest in  the three boards,                                                               
but his first choice was the Board of Game.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  TALERICO  opened  public testimony  regarding  the  two                                                               
Board of Game appointees.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:57:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GARY STEVENS  said he  has lived in  Alaska for  almost 45-years,                                                               
enjoys hunting and fishing, and  has been a wildlife photographer                                                               
in Denali  National Park and Preserve  since the late 1970s.   He                                                               
referred to the issue of wolves  and advised he has not seen more                                                               
or  less wolves  since he  began as  a wildlife  photographer and                                                               
believes it is a cyclic issue.   He advised he is on the board of                                                               
the  Alaska Outdoor  Council and  said it  strongly supports  re-                                                               
confirmation for  Ms. Sager Albaugh  as she is probably  the most                                                               
respected  person on  the  board  from a  broad  base of  Alaskan                                                               
users.  Ms.  Albaugh is extremely intelligent, and  aware of many                                                               
of the issues affecting the activities  of the board.  He advised                                                               
he has  not met Kip  Fanning, but  very much respects  his father                                                               
and  opined  that the  council  supports  his confirmation  based                                                               
purely upon the fact he lives  the life style that represents the                                                               
Alaska Outdoor Council.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:59:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AL  BARRETTE  said he  has  participated  in  the Board  of  Game                                                               
process and advisory council process  for many years.  He offered                                                               
his  support to  Ms. Albaugh's  re-confirmation to  the Board  of                                                               
Game as she  is a subsistence user, protects  the subsistence way                                                               
of  life  and  its  priority,   is  well-educated  pertaining  to                                                               
wildlife  management,  well  prepared  for  each  board  meeting,                                                               
attends advisory council meetings  in Fairbanks, Glennallen, Tok,                                                               
Mat-Su, and  Anchorage of  which not all  members attend  or have                                                               
the ability to  visit and listen to issues  the advisory councils                                                               
take up.   In  that regard,  not only does  Ms. Albaugh  read the                                                               
proposals,  suggestions,  or  comments, she  also  attends  these                                                               
meetings  to getting  the  feel  of what  the  various areas  are                                                               
discussing.   She has a  background using the  codified findings,                                                               
statutes,  and   regulations,  and  educates  herself   with  the                                                               
interpretations of  those statutes and regulations  and statewide                                                               
issues, he expressed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE replied to Representative  Tarr that he supports Kip                                                               
Fanning  as, based  upon his  statement,  he will  listen to  all                                                               
consumptive   and   non-consumptive   users,   educate   himself,                                                               
including  his background,  which proves  that he  can be  on the                                                               
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:03:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE TINKER, Alaska Wildlife Conservation Association, spoke in                                                                 
support of Ms. Albaugh as follows:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      The Alaska Wildlife Conservation Association is a 35-                                                                     
     year old organization based in  the Interior that works                                                                    
     on  resource  issues,  especially  fish and  game.    I                                                                    
     personally have worked  with the Board of  Game for 25-                                                                    
     years  representing the  Fairbanks Advisory  Committee,                                                                    
     the  AWCA, and  my family.    I am  her to  ask you  to                                                                    
     support  Teresa  Sager  Albaugh  for  confirmation  for                                                                    
     another  term on  the Board  of Game.   Throughout  her                                                                    
     service  on the  board, Ms.  Sager Albaugh  has been  a                                                                    
     caretaker   of   the   constitutional   and   statutory                                                                    
     obligations  the board  should,  but  does not,  always                                                                    
     follow.   She comes prepared for  every agenda, usually                                                                    
     having  had  several  meetings   with  the  public  and                                                                    
     advisory  committees.   She has  read  the hundreds  of                                                                    
     pages  of  information  that   are  required  for  each                                                                    
     meeting.  She  has lived in more ... in  the more urban                                                                    
     Alaskan  environment in  Fairbanks, but  now lives  and                                                                    
     has lived for  many years in the Bush.   Her experience                                                                    
     gives her  a unique perspective.   Her background  as a                                                                    
     hunter  and fisher  living in  a subsistence  area give                                                                    
     her  the experience  to understand  and appreciate  the                                                                    
     passion of  those coming  before the  board.   Her calm                                                                    
     attention to detail amide the  emotion and turmoil that                                                                    
     accompany some  issues before the board  is not matched                                                                    
     by  any  other  member.   She  brings  the  perspective                                                                    
     following the  statutes and procedures and  not leaving                                                                    
     those guidelines during heated  debates or question and                                                                    
     answer  sessions.   She  is  the  board member  who  is                                                                    
     looking   out  for   a  compliance   to  the   process,                                                                    
     regulations, and contradictions in  purpose.  I want to                                                                    
     thank   Governor   Walker   for  discussing   her   re-                                                                    
     appointment  with   the  AWCA  and  then   making  that                                                                    
     appointment.  I  want to thank you  for the opportunity                                                                    
     to support her.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:05:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TINKER continued, speaking in support of Mr. Fanning as                                                                     
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     With regard  to Mr.  Fanning, we  ask you  to recommend                                                                    
     the confirmation  for Mr.  Fanning as  a member  of the                                                                    
     Game.   As a new-comer  to the regulatory  process, Mr.                                                                    
     Fanning fits the  intent of the Alaska  state's men and                                                                    
     women  who drafted  the sideboards  for  Board of  Game                                                                    
     members.   They did not  intend the Boards of  Fish and                                                                    
     Game to  be made up  of hunting and fishing  experts or                                                                    
     professionals.     The  language   is  clear   that  an                                                                    
     applicant  for the  board should  be knowledgeable  and                                                                    
     have experience with hunting,  habitat, and issues that                                                                    
     provide  a  base  for   making  informed  decisions  on                                                                    
     hunting   and  trapping   regulatory   manners.     The                                                                    
     implication  those  guidelines  is  at  the  relatively                                                                    
     short term of  service is an opportunity  to select new                                                                    
     members with  new questions  and new  ideas.   The AWCA                                                                    
     finds that  Kip Fanning has exactly  the qualifications                                                                    
     needed.     His   life   experience  and   professional                                                                    
     experience  have given  him  a  detailed background  to                                                                    
     understand wildlife  issues and make  good conservation                                                                    
     decisions.   He is  not a registered  guide, but  as he                                                                    
     said, has  worked with  hunters his  entire life.   Mr.                                                                    
     Fanning recognizes  the steep learning curve  that lies                                                                    
     ahead  of him  moving  into  the regulatory,  decision-                                                                    
     making arena.  He is up  to that challenge.  We believe                                                                    
     his common  sense, experience, living in  a subsistence                                                                    
     oriented  coastal community  will serve  him well  as a                                                                    
     member  of the  Board of  Game  and we  thank you,  Mr.                                                                    
     Chairman, for the opportunity to testify.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:07:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES KOWALSKY said he is  a 45-year resident, and testified that                                                               
neither the  current Board of  Game nor the  appointees represent                                                               
non-consumptive users.   He pointed  out that a large  segment of                                                               
the population  are non-consumptive  users, and over  the decades                                                               
the Board  of Game,  by its  makeup, made  decisions that  do not                                                               
represent the  larger Alaska public.   He urged the  committee to                                                               
consider the  possibility that this  board should have  a broader                                                               
representation through balance the  scales of individual members.                                                               
He referred to Ms. Sager Albaugh,  and stated it is not personal,                                                               
but it  is fair to think  about the fact that  the larger segment                                                               
of this population are not hunters  or trappers.  It is only fair                                                               
to consider the possibility that there should be [non-                                                                          
consumptive]  representation also  on  this  board, he  stressed.                                                               
Having  said  that,  he  asked  the  committee  to  consider  his                                                               
statements in that he is opposed  to the appointment of Ms. Sager                                                               
Albaugh  and  Mr. Fanning.    He  stated  he  does not  know  Mr.                                                               
Fanning, but knew  his father well in  the 1970s.  He  is a long-                                                               
time resident  of the state and  pays attention to what  goes on,                                                               
and he requested the committee  to consider his statements before                                                               
taking action.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR said she  appreciates Mr. Kowalsky's comments                                                               
in having a broad representation  on the board, and asked whether                                                               
he has  had a  personal experience  with the  board, or  tried to                                                               
make comments reflecting a different  user group and his comments                                                               
were not well received.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOWALSKY responded  that listening to all sides  is good, but                                                               
that is  not representation.   His experience  with the  Board of                                                               
Game goes to  his seven years as Wildlife and  Parks Director for                                                               
the Tanana Chiefs  Conference, and directly pointed  out that his                                                               
testimony  is purely  his own.   Many  years ago,  he essentially                                                               
attended seven years  of board meetings and  paid close attention                                                               
to  how the  board functions.   He  opined that  his plea  was to                                                               
consider the  large segment of  Alaskans who  are non-consumption                                                               
and are  not represented in  the Board of Game.   Non-consumptive                                                               
users may  be listened to  and their thoughts considered,  but it                                                               
is not the  same as representation.  He asked  that the committee                                                               
factor that  into how  it considers  the future  of the  Board of                                                               
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:11:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  offered that in the  event a non-consumptive                                                               
user was appointed, it is likely  that person would still be out-                                                               
voted given that  member would be a minority.   She asked whether                                                               
Mr. Kowalsky felt a more  effective form of representation is the                                                               
ability to  participate as  a member of  the public  by attending                                                               
meetings,   or   the   opportunity  to   submit   proposals   for                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOWALSKY advised  the audio  is  faulty and  asked that  she                                                               
repeat the question.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  noted that in  the event one of  the members                                                               
on the board  was a non-consumptive user, they  would likely have                                                               
a minority position.   She asked whether Mr.  Kowalsky felt being                                                               
a minority member on the board  would be a more effective form of                                                               
representation for  the non-consumptive user group  as opposed to                                                               
being  a  member   of  the  public  submitting   a  proposal  for                                                               
consideration by the board.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOWALSKY answered  it would be better than  what is currently                                                               
there now.   He reiterated that these are  not personal comments,                                                               
and  it  would certainly  be  closer  to  a representation.    He                                                               
submitted  that  in  general  terms,   basically  80  percent  of                                                               
Alaska's voters  do not hunt  or trap which  means there is  a 15                                                               
percent representation  for a  very large  public.   He clarified                                                               
that he is looking for  representation of the broader public, and                                                               
the board does not  do that as much as it may  think it tries, as                                                               
he is  an onlooker, pays  attention, has  been around for  a long                                                               
time,  and he  does not  see it.   He  pointed out  that the  two                                                               
appointees being  considered today  do not  make any  progress in                                                               
that direction.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:15:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
THOR  STACEY, Lobbyist,  Alaska Professional  Hunters Association                                                               
(APHA), said  that allocation  of game resource  in Alaska  is of                                                               
critical importance to a resource  based visitor industry such as                                                               
Alaska.    The association  supports  both  appointments and,  he                                                               
advised, he  personally has  had the good  fortune to  watch over                                                               
100  hours of  deliberation from  Ms. Sager  Albaugh.   He opined                                                               
that  she brings  a good  perspective to  the Board  of Game,  is                                                               
diligent in  her preparations, conscientious in  the comments she                                                               
puts on the record thereby  building a good record, definitely is                                                               
not a guide industry vote, and  has a good record of deliberative                                                               
process which is good for the state  as a whole.  He offered that                                                               
the  association generally  supports  Mr. Fanning,  and that  his                                                               
father  at  one   time  was  a  president   of  the  association.                                                               
Although,  Kip  Fanning  has  no   ties  to  any  person  in  the                                                               
association  at this  point that  he is  aware of.   Mr.  Fanning                                                               
brings a  valuable perspective to  the board as a  small business                                                               
owner.     He  suggested  that   there  are   concerns  regarding                                                               
conservation  and allocation,  and that  drafting regulations  to                                                               
address those  issues as to  how they are administered  and acted                                                               
upon have inadvertent effects on  small business.  Someone with a                                                               
small business  background may understand  there are two  ways to                                                               
get to the same result as far as  the resource goes as one way is                                                               
less burdensome on small businesses  while accomplishing the same                                                               
conservation goal, he commented.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:17:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  noted that general support  has been offered                                                               
for Mr. Fanning  given people have less experience with  him.  In                                                               
the event an  individual similar to Mr. Fanning  is appointed and                                                               
within   the  meetings   there   are  a   series  of   unexpected                                                               
questionable decisions, she asked how the APHA would respond.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. STACEY  replied that when  there is respect for  the process,                                                               
"you have to be careful that  you take issues with votes, but you                                                               
can certainly take  issues with a bias or  something that whether                                                               
way outside  of the formal  process or their positions  come from                                                               
an  activist position  they are  seeking appointment  to a  board                                                               
such as  this with the goal  of a ... pre-determined  bias, let's                                                               
just say ... it all depends on  ... how those votes happen and if                                                               
you feel that the process is being  respected.  Not so much a win                                                               
or loss column on votes."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:18:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO  closed public testimony after  ascertaining no                                                               
one else wished to testify.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:19:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  stated that  Ms. Sager Albaugh  is very                                                               
knowledgeable without  having the  academic experience, but  is a                                                               
good  example of  how it  is not  required.   He stated  that the                                                               
decision he asked Ms. Sager Albaugh  about was a 7-0 decision, so                                                               
a lot is going on there.   Continuing in that regard, he said, "I                                                               
don't know that there is ...  a constituency that is so seriously                                                               
unrepresented  as there  is relative  to the  Board of  Game.   I                                                               
can't  think of  anything  in  government like  it  and  so I  am                                                               
concerned about it."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:20:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR TALERICO requested  a motion to move  the two appointees                                                               
forward  to a  joint session  for confirmation,  held at  a later                                                               
date.  He  stated that the signing of the  document today neither                                                               
confirms  support  or opposition  to  either  of the  appointees;                                                               
signing the document  confirms a hearing has been  held and those                                                               
names  will  move  forward.     The  committee  members  are  not                                                               
committed to  any type  of vote  until the  joint session  of the                                                               
House and Senate for confirmation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:20:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON advised  the committee  has reviewed  the                                                               
qualifications  of  the Governor's  appointees  as  shown in  the                                                               
attached referral  and confirmation forms.   He [moved]  that the                                                               
names  be  forwarded  to the  joint  session  for  consideration.                                                               
There being no  objection, the names of Teresa  Sager Albaugh and                                                               
Kip  Fanning  were advanced  from  the  House Resources  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:21 to 2:23 p.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:24:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:24 p.m.                                                                 

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3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - Agrium LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
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3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - R Warthen LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
HB 100 HRES Homer Electric Company LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
HB 100 HRES LOS - M Stynsberg.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
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3.11.15 HRES HB 100 Agrium US - Answer to Committee.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 AK Garden & Pet Supply Inc LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 128 - ASMI LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HRES HB 128 Fiscal Note #1.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HRES HB 128 Legislation--Version W.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HRES HB 128 Alaska Wild Salmon Day Sponsor Statement.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HB 128 AK Trollers Association LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
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3.25.15 HRES HB100 - Lynden Transport LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - Heat & Frost Insulation Inc LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - AgriumStudy 11_4.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - Sponsor Statement.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - McDowell Group Agrium Econ Impact Final Report 5 22 13.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - AK Corp Net Income Tax return forms 6000 and 6300.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - White Paper - How the credit works.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - AS 38 05 135.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - McDowell Group Study 1_28_2015.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 version H.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HB 100 Fiscal Note.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 Amendment H.3.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 Amendment H.6.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - J R Meyers Opposition.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 128 - UFA Alaska Wild Salmon Day SUPPORT.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 128
3.25.15 HRES Board of Game - F Neumann Testimony.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 Univar K Lambertsen.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - Arctic Wire Rope and Supply LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
HB 100
3.25.15 HRES HB 100 Udelhoven LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
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3.25.15 HRES HB 100 - Dowland-Bach Corp. LOS.pdf HRES 3/25/2015 1:00:00 PM
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