Legislature(2009 - 2010)CAPITOL 106

04/05/2010 01:00 PM RESOURCES


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 5, 2010                                                                                          
                           1:06 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Craig Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mark Neuman, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Kurt Olson                                                                                                       
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Bruce C. Twomley - Juneau                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Robert D. Mumford - Anchorage                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Board of Game                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Ben Grussendorf - Sitka                                                                                                    
     Allen F. Barrette - Fairbanks                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE C. TWOMLEY, Appointee                                                                                                     
Alaska Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission (CFEC)                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified as  appointee to  the Commercial                                                             
Fisheries Entry Commission.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT D. MUMFORD, Appointee                                                                                                    
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Big  Game                                                             
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BEN GRUSSENDORF, Appointee                                                                                                      
Board of Game                                                                                                                   
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALLEN F. BARRETTE, Appointee                                                                                                    
Board of Game                                                                                                                   
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR                                                                                                                
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified  in support  of  Mr.  Mumford's                                                             
appointment to the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
KELLY WALTERS                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Mr. Grussendorf to the Board of Game.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
TINA BROWN, Board Member                                                                                                        
Alaska Wildlife Alliance                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in opposition to  Mr. Barrette's                                                             
appointment to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
KARLA HART                                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Expressed concerns with  the appointment of                                                             
Mr. Barrette to the Alaska Board of Game.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KELLY WALTERS                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM SHERWONIT                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK GREY                                                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  during the  confirmation hearing                                                             
on the appointment of Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UPHENOUR                                                                                                                 
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  during the  confirmation hearing                                                             
for the appointment of Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JACK REAKOFF                                                                                                                    
Wiseman, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
LYNNETTE HINES (ph)                                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WADE WILLIS                                                                                                                     
No address provided                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:   Expressed concerns with  the appointment of                                                             
Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ART GREENWALT                                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SHANNON MOORE                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  the appointment of                                                             
Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
GREG BROWN                                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DAVE TURNBULL                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Expressed concerns with  the appointment of                                                             
Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:06:34 PM                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
CO-CHAIR  CRAIG  JOHNSON  called  the  House  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to  order  at   1:06  p.m.    Representatives                                                               
Guttenberg,  Kawasaki, Tuck,  Seaton,  Edgmon,  and Johnson  were                                                               
present at the call to order.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                       
                    CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
^Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission                                                                                        
             Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission                                                                          
^Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                           
               Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                           
^Board of Game                                                                                                                
                         Board of Game                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                [Contains discussion of HB 267.]                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:07:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON  announced  the  only order  of  business,  the                                                               
confirmation hearings on the appointments  of Bruce C. Twomley to                                                               
the  Alaska  Commercial  Fisheries Entry  Commission,  Robert  D.                                                               
Mumford  to  the Big  Game  Commercial  Services Board,  and  Ben                                                               
Grussendorf and Allen F. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:07:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE C.  TWOMLEY, Appointee,  Alaska Commercial  Fisheries Entry                                                               
Commission (CFEC),  said he  has served  on the  commission under                                                               
seven  governors.    He  related   that  before  serving  on  the                                                               
commission, he worked  as a lawyer for Alaska  Legal Services and                                                               
sued the state and federal governments  for a living, and he said                                                               
the commission is  unlike any agency he ever sued.   He described                                                               
the  high work  ethic and  professional commitment  found at  the                                                               
commission.    He  said  the   work  there  is  challenging;  the                                                               
decisions  made are  controversial because  people feel  strongly                                                               
about  their  fishing rights.    He  said  those working  on  the                                                               
commission must work not only  as administrators and rule makers,                                                               
but also as administrative law  judges who produce legal opinions                                                               
daily.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TWOMLEY  said  the  [Alaska] Supreme  Court  held  that  the                                                               
reversal of  a commission decision  can be  applied retroactively                                                               
to undo  past decisions of the  commission.  The court  also held                                                               
that the  commission must accept  new applications for  the first                                                               
time in  limited fisheries long  after the deadline  for applying                                                               
had occurred.   Mr. Twomley said this decision poses  a threat to                                                               
Alaska  fishermen  who  depend on  limited  fisheries  for  their                                                               
livelihood.   He  said the  court's decision  makes it  even more                                                               
imperative that the commission take  the greatest care in issuing                                                               
its decisions.   Mr.  Twomley relayed  that the  [Alaska] Supreme                                                               
Court has  not done a  retroactive application since  1984, which                                                               
he said he thinks means the  commission is doing the right thing.                                                               
He asked the  committee for the opportunity to  continue with his                                                               
work on the commission.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:10:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  brought up the  issue of special  right of                                                               
fisheries as  prohibited in the  constitution, and asked  at what                                                               
point in restricting  permits does the state  "reach that special                                                               
right  of  fishery."   He  specifically  referenced  the  scallop                                                               
fishery,  which currently  has only  two  vessels harvesting  the                                                               
entire  stock for  Alaska.   He  asked what  a  special right  of                                                               
fisheries means  to Mr. Twomley.   He further asked if  the state                                                               
allowing one vessel  to harvest the entire  scallop fishery would                                                               
constitute a special right of fishery.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWOMLEY responded that the  best guidance thus far comes from                                                               
an Alaska Supreme Court decision  made in the Simpson case, which                                                             
he  said  stands in  part  for  the  proposition that  "on  these                                                               
questions,  conservation is  paramount."   Without  conservation,                                                               
other issues,  such as the  economics of the fishery,  can become                                                               
irrelevant.   He said  he thinks  that if  small numbers  serve a                                                               
sound  conservation  purpose,  then  generally  the  shape  of  a                                                               
fishery  can  be defended.    He  said Alaska's  in-state  waters                                                               
scallop fishery  is not  very large,  and the  commission limited                                                               
entry  into  that  fishery, which  produced  only  eight  permits                                                               
authorized to  operate on the state  portion of the fishery.   He                                                               
said the bulk  of the fishery -  at least 80 percent  - occurs in                                                               
federal waters, which is limited by the federal government.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:13:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWOMLEY said there is  an important conservation feature that                                                               
comes up  in the [scallop]  fishery, which relates  to management                                                               
practices  in other  fisheries  in the  state,  for example,  the                                                               
Southeast  herring purse  seine  fishery, where  there have  been                                                               
occasions  when the  managers  were unwilling  to  turn to  whole                                                               
fleet loose  on the available  resource, because it could  do too                                                               
much damage.   The solution was  to tell members of  the fleet to                                                               
get together  and send only  a couple of  catchers to go  out and                                                               
take the quota,  he said.  Mr. Twomley explained  that that bears                                                               
some  relation  to  the  scallop  fishery,  because  the  scallop                                                               
dredges can  do terrible  damage to  the sea  bottom and  pick up                                                               
king crab and other species,  which do not survive the experience                                                               
of being hauled  up by a dredge.   He said it is  a fishery where                                                               
fewer boats are better.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:15:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWOMLEY continued as follows:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     It's not to say that  you're not pointing out a serious                                                                    
     issue, and it's  one that we would have to  keep an eye                                                                    
     on.   It's not strictly  within ... the  normal optimal                                                                    
     number  considerations,  because what's  happening  out                                                                    
     there  is  that for  whatever  reason  some people  are                                                                    
     choosing not  to fish  - and  it's voluntary;  it's not                                                                    
     the state  dictating that  only a few  -- I  mean, it's                                                                    
     less than what  goes on when needed in  the Sitka Sound                                                                    
     herring  fishery.    It's something  that's  happening;                                                                    
     it's  happening because  there  are fisherman  choosing                                                                    
     not  to fish,  and as  a result  there are  only a  few                                                                    
     units a year  out there.  But essentially,  ... I think                                                                    
     that's consistent  with the  conservation needs  of the                                                                    
     fishery.  ...  Although we have to  keep monitoring and                                                                    
     we have to  hear any claims put to us,  and I'd have to                                                                    
     reserve judgment to do that,  we haven't viewed it as a                                                                    
     cause for alarm.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:16:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  Mr. Twomley  if he  is saying  that                                                               
having  one  vessel  harvesting the  entire  [scallop]  stock  in                                                               
Alaska would  not run afoul of  the special right of  fishery, is                                                               
optimal for  controllability, and  is an allowable  permit system                                                               
because it is easier to manage.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWOMLEY clarified that that is not his meaning.  He stated:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     In   considering   what    a   fishery   can   support,                                                                    
     conservation  is a  paramount  consideration.   And  if                                                                    
     there is a  strong conservation to be  made for smaller                                                                    
     numbers, that's something that  we would ... definitely                                                                    
     consider.   And  it's a  fairly powerful  case in  this                                                                    
     fishery,  simply  because the  way  you  get a  cleaner                                                                    
     fishery that does less damage  to the habitat and other                                                                    
     ...  valuable resources,  is  by  having fewer  scallop                                                                    
     dredges out there at a time.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:18:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked if  preventing the  unintended catch                                                               
of  other species  or having  a cooperative  continuous operation                                                               
would be reason for Mr. Twomley to grant a permit.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TWOMLEY answered  that he  has heard  hours of  testimony on                                                               
this  issue and  has  not heard  a  better alternative  proposed;                                                               
however, he  reiterated that he  must reserve some judgment.   He                                                               
said the  commission may  face a petition  asking for  an optimum                                                               
number determination  for the  fishery, and he  said he  would be                                                               
part of that decision.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:20:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TWOMLEY,  in response  to Chair Johnson,  said the  reason he                                                               
wants to  continue his work is  that the job is  challenging, and                                                               
he has  a vested interest  in ensuring the job  is done in  a way                                                               
that  preserves fisheries  for those  that  depend on  them.   He                                                               
concluded,  "We can  do  that  if we  take  great  care with  our                                                               
decisions  and, to  the extent  that  we can  with our  capacity,                                                               
avoid being reversed in court."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:20:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  thanked Mr.  Twomley for  his service  and then                                                               
brought attention to the appointment  of Robert D. Mumford to the                                                               
Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:21:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  D.  MUMFORD,  Appointee,  Big  Game  Commercial  Services                                                               
Board,  related that  he has  served one  term on  the board  and                                                               
considers that an honor.  He  said he is anxious to continue with                                                               
the work  of the board.   He said the  board has only  been going                                                               
for the  past four years.   He relayed  that he helped  write the                                                               
ethical standards for  the big game guides and  transporters.  He                                                               
said  he currently  serves as  a liaison  from the  board to  the                                                               
[Division  of  Alaska Wildlife  Troopers]  and  the Alaska  State                                                               
Troopers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON thanked Mr. Mumford for his service.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:22:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  turned to the  appointments of  Ben Grussendorf                                                               
and Allen F. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:23:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BEN  GRUSSENDORF, Appointee,  Board of  Game, told  the committee                                                               
that he grew  up in Minnesota hunting and fishing  and has served                                                               
on the board for  some time now.  He related  that he worked with                                                               
Ken Fanning on  the wanton waste bill that was  codified in 1983.                                                               
The biggest issue  at that time was to determine  what was edible                                                               
on a bird.   He said he also worked  with Ramona Barnes regarding                                                               
the problem  of moose  kill on  the Alaska  Railroad tracks.   He                                                               
said  he has  been interested  in wildlife  resources his  entire                                                               
life and he emphasized that he enjoys working on the board.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:24:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRUSSENDORF, in response  to Representative Guttenberg, spoke                                                               
of the  large issues that  have come before  the board.   He said                                                               
there  has  been  intensive  management  for  the  production  of                                                               
caribou  and  moose.    He  relayed that  there  are  two  active                                                               
predator control areas  in the state, with two  more in progress.                                                               
He explained that the board is  trying to ensure that the caribou                                                               
herds and  moose population are  available for human  harvest and                                                               
subsistence.  He said it is  a challenge to consider the needs of                                                               
both  those who  want to  hunt an  animal and  those who  want to                                                               
observe the animal.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:26:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON noted  that  she  has not  received  a                                                               
single e-mail  or call against  the job Mr. Grussendorf  has been                                                               
doing, and she indicated she supports his appointment.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRUSSENDORF  responded that the lack  of complaints surprises                                                               
him.   He  stated  that  although people  may  not  agree with  a                                                               
decision, the hope  is that they will understand why  it has been                                                               
made.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHNSON thanked Mr. Grussendorf for his service.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:27:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALLEN F. BARRETTE, Appointee, Board  of Game, related that he has                                                               
been an  Alaska resident  since 1988, is  married, and  has three                                                               
children.  He said he spends  a lot of time with family outdoors.                                                               
He said he spends much  of his time answering questions regarding                                                               
game issues, so that the  public understands Alaska's regulations                                                               
and policies.   He  said he likes  teaching ethics  and "advising                                                               
people how  to do things."   He related his view  that serving on                                                               
the board provides  him with an opportunity to share  what he has                                                               
learned and experienced  as an Alaskan - his  passion for Alaskan                                                               
wildlife.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  said he  can bring an  Interior perspective  to the                                                               
board.   He said  he interacts with  those in  rural communities.                                                               
He indicated that  between 2004 and current time, he  has been in                                                               
leadership positions, having served on  the Fairbanks Fish & Game                                                               
Advisory Committee, as  well as having been elected  as the chair                                                               
for the  Trapping Subcommittee.   He emphasized that is  where he                                                               
learned to listen to public input  and concerns, which he said is                                                               
an important part of his decision making.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:30:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON noted  that he has a large  stack of public                                                               
comments before him in regard  to Mr. Barrette's appointment.  He                                                               
said  a  biblical  quote  from  the  Book  of  Genesis  has  been                                                               
attributed to Mr.  Barrette and this quote is  contained within a                                                               
number  of the  opposition e-mails.   He  requested Mr.  Barrette                                                               
comment on why people are opposing his appointment.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE  responded  that  he had  done  an  interview  with                                                               
Backpacker Magazine, during  which he may not have  been as clear                                                             
as he  should have  been.   He stated,  "My religious  beliefs on                                                               
management is just  the cornerstone of my basic  management."  He                                                               
offered his belief  that the board must listen to  the public and                                                               
to the professionals that  provide data, statistical information,                                                               
and perspective  on how to manage  game.  He said  he understands                                                               
another  controversial  issue which  resulted  in  a lot  of  the                                                               
emails to legislators was the closure  of the wolf buffer zone in                                                               
the Stampede  Trail Area.   He  said he  made his  decision after                                                               
listening to all  the public testimony and  written testimony and                                                               
advice from the professionals from  the Alaska Department of Fish                                                               
& Game (ADF&G).   He said the information provided  was that this                                                               
was not  a biological  issue, and  four or  five of  the advisory                                                               
committees  that  commented  were  not in  favor  of  keeping  or                                                               
expanding the  buffer zone.   He related that  the superintendent                                                               
of Denali  National Park and  Preserve testified that  the taking                                                               
of wolves outside the park  boundaries could not be documented as                                                               
a factor to viewing opportunities inside  the park.  That was the                                                               
basis of his decision, he said.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:33:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON noted another  issue of controversy is that                                                               
Mr.  Barrette owns  a hide  tannery as  well as  a business  that                                                               
makes and markets  wolf traps, which could mean  Mr. Barrette has                                                               
an inherent conflict of interest.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE replied that currently  a confidential ethics review                                                               
is taking place  on that issue.   He said he is  willing to waive                                                               
that confidentiality to tell the  committee that prior to a board                                                               
meeting he  had given a disclosure  statement that he "did  own a                                                               
fur tannery" and  "small trap company" and "none of  my family or                                                               
immediate family members benefited from any of that."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:34:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  said according to remarks  written in some                                                               
of the aforementioned e-mails, Mr.  Barrette might have to recuse                                                               
himself from a number of board votes.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE said  he  does not  believe he  has  a conflict  of                                                               
interest, and  he indicated  that an attorney  for the  board, as                                                               
well as the chair of the board has expressed concurrence.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:36:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE,  in response to Representative  Seaton, opined that                                                               
it  is important  to educate  those  who may  not understand  the                                                               
reasoning behind consumptive  use of game and wildlife.   He said                                                               
those  that  do not  understand  are  not stupid,  and  education                                                               
improves  people   in  terms  of  understanding   situations  and                                                               
concepts.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:37:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said someone came  to his office and talked                                                               
about  support  for  the  snaring of  bears,  labeling  them  for                                                               
predator  control, and  not requiring  guides for  hunting bears.                                                               
He asked Mr.  Barrette whether that would have  a strong negative                                                               
impact  on the  economic base  of  the guiding  industry, and  to                                                               
explain where he thinks the balance is.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE replied  that the  snaring  of bears  was a  public                                                               
program targeting  black bears, and unfortunately  there was some                                                               
incidental snaring  of grizzlies.   He said  the system  is being                                                               
improved  to  avoid  harming grizzlies,  and  he  predicted  that                                                               
better effects  of the program  will be seen  in the future.   In                                                               
regard to  guiding, he said  he believes that industry  is viable                                                               
to Alaska,  and he indicated that  he has no intent  or agenda in                                                               
that regard.   In further response to  Representative Seaton, Mr.                                                               
Barrette  said at  this time  he sees  no need  to implement  the                                                               
snaring of grizzly bears.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:40:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  commented on  the number  of e-mails  he has                                                               
received  regarding  Mr.  Barrette's position  regarding  gassing                                                               
wolves, gassing  dens, snaring bears, and  using helicopters [for                                                               
wolf control].   He asked Mr. Barrette if there  are any means of                                                               
predator control that he views as off limits.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  responded that he  has had no involvement  or taken                                                               
part in  any discussion regarding gassing.   He said he  has been                                                               
involved  with  the  snaring  of black  bears  only  through  the                                                               
direction of  the Alaska Department of  Fish & Game (ADF&G).   He                                                               
said  the  use  of  helicopters,   under  the  direction  of  the                                                               
department,  has recently  been done  and makes  predator control                                                               
programs  more  efficient.    He added,  "It's  all  through  the                                                               
management plans."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:42:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK   recollected  there   had  been   a  recent                                                               
regulation change  that increased  the allowable  caribou harvest                                                               
for residents  and non-residents from  two bull caribous  to five                                                               
caribous of any gender or age.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE said  that change  related to  the Central  Caribou                                                               
Herd in areas 26B  and 25A.  He said it was a  proposal put in by                                                               
the department, based upon its  census and the tools available to                                                               
control  the harvest  there.   He  indicated  that the  [caribou]                                                               
population  in the  North Slope  Region  is at  least double  the                                                               
projected goal population  in the management plan.   He expressed                                                               
his  support  of  the  proposal.   In  response  to  a  follow-up                                                               
question,  he said  the  proposal does  not  pertain to  predator                                                               
control.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:45:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE,  in response  to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
Wilson regarding his  resume, said he has been  back to Wisconsin                                                               
four  times since  living in  Alaska, but  has not  resided there                                                               
since he  was 18  years old.   In response  to Chair  Johnson, he                                                               
confirmed that the address on his  resume is the address at which                                                               
he currently resides.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:45:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG  recollected  that  Mr.  Barrette  had                                                               
spoke of educating less educated  persons.  He questioned how Mr.                                                               
Barrette addresses those with higher education.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE   recognized  that   there  are   many  independent                                                               
biologists and  people with PhDs,  and it is important  to review                                                               
their data  and match it against  that of the state,  taking into                                                               
account public  opinion and advisory committees,  and then making                                                               
the  soundest decision  for  the state.  In  further response  to                                                               
Representative    Guttenberg,    Mr.   Barrette    offered    his                                                               
understanding that state biologists -  through a chain of command                                                               
- come up with a unified  opinion, which may not actually reflect                                                               
on the opinions  of local biologists.  He clarified  that when he                                                               
says  "independent" biologist,  he means  those not  paid by  the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:48:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG   said,  "I  would  be   surprised  if                                                               
anything as  controversial as that  is uniform through  any state                                                               
agency."  He said  one of the jobs of the  legislature is to find                                                               
the  opinions of  each agency.    Representative Guttenberg  then                                                               
noted that  Mr. Barrette has  relayed in his  written information                                                               
that he  opposes the restricting  of trapping in the  Healy area.                                                               
He asked  what brought about  the comments  regarding restricting                                                               
trapping in residential areas like Healy.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  offered his belief  that that issue was  a proposal                                                               
heard at  the last  meeting.   He said what  brought it  about is                                                               
that several people's pets were caught  in traps.  He offered his                                                               
understanding  that the  Alaska  Bureau  of Wildlife  Enforcement                                                               
cited the  trapper involved with  a wildlife violation.   He said                                                               
the  Alaska  Trappers  Association  has  organized  seminars  for                                                               
trappers and  non-trappers to encourage  better use  of multi-use                                                               
trails.  He  said two individuals from Healy  were giving related                                                               
classes.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:51:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG  asked  Mr.   Barrette  how  close  to                                                               
population centers he supports allowing trapping.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE responded,  "How close  is very  opinionated."   He                                                               
said he  agrees with the  Trapper Association's adage:   "When in                                                               
doubt, don't  trap there."   He said  there are confines  to work                                                               
within,  such as  land ownership,  private property,  and borough                                                               
and state regulations.   He said trapping is  allowed in Creamers                                                               
Field in  Fairbanks.  He  said the  state does allow  trapping as                                                               
close as is possible to get  to city limits.  He concluded, "It's                                                               
all discretionary and done under discernment."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:52:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  offered   his  understanding   that  Mr.                                                               
Barrette voted to  revoke the buffer zone  around Denali National                                                               
Park and  Preserve.  He  requested Mr. Barrette to  reiterate his                                                               
earlier statement  in regard to  the testimony that  was provided                                                               
by the park  superintendent before the Board of  Game during that                                                               
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  said he believes it  was stated that the  taking of                                                               
wolves outside  the park has not  been documented as a  factor of                                                               
viewing opportunities inside the park.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:53:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON inquired  whether the park superintendent's                                                               
testimony was given while the buffer  zone was in place or if the                                                               
superintendent was testifying that it  did not matter whether the                                                               
buffer zone was in place.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  responded that according  to the proposal  he read,                                                               
the question was asked from an historical perspective.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON surmised that it  was while the buffer zone                                                               
was  in  place  that  the   park  superintendent  had  made  that                                                               
testimony.   He stated  his understanding  that when  that buffer                                                               
zone  was taken  away, Mr.  Barrette authorized  the use  of snow                                                               
machines to  harvest wolves in the  area of the old  buffer zone.                                                               
He asked if any park  officials or biologists testified regarding                                                               
that proposal.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE replied  that the use of a snow  machine was never a                                                               
factor  within the  "Stampede Trail  Area and  now what  has been                                                               
eliminated as the  Stampede Trail Closed Closure Area."   He said                                                               
people were allowed to use  snow machines within that buffer zone                                                               
and  outside that  buffer  zone  on state  land;  they just  were                                                               
restricted  "to  not the  taking  of  wolves  or coyotes  in  the                                                               
restricted area."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:55:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG stated  his  understanding that  after                                                               
the buffer zone  was restricted, Mr. Barrette was  the sole voice                                                               
to allow  snow machines to  harvest wolves  in that area;  no one                                                               
else on the Board of Game  supported that.  He asked Mr. Barrette                                                               
if he  had petitioned the Board  of Game to authorize  the use of                                                               
snow machines to harvest wolves in that area.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE responded no.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG noted  that HB  267 would  provide for                                                               
opening the Dalton Highway to snow  machine use.  He related that                                                               
HB  267 is  being  presented  as a  recreational  issue that  has                                                               
nothing to do with harvesting of  game or the management of game;                                                               
however, the  Board of Game voted  a waiver to support  the bill.                                                               
He asked what  involvement Mr. Barrette thinks the  Board of Game                                                               
has with  HB 267 given  that legislators  are being told  this is                                                               
not a game issue.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  replied, "The  only involvement  the Board  of Game                                                               
has at this time with it was  a letter of support for the concept                                                               
of  using  a  snow  machine within  the  five-mile  James  Dalton                                                               
Highway corridor."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG inquired why  the board would support a                                                               
decision that has nothing to do with game management.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  suggested that  perhaps, in  the future,  the board                                                               
might  be able  to take  advantage of  the allowed  use of  [snow                                                               
mobiles] in that area as a means of managing game.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:58:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG expressed  concern that  the committee                                                               
is being  told that HB 267  has nothing to do  with game control,                                                               
while Mr. Barrette is suggesting that it could.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE   indicated  that   the  board  cannot   project  a                                                               
management need.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   JOHNSON  expressed   appreciation   for  Mr.   Barrette's                                                               
willingness to serve on the board.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:59:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON  invited testimony  for the appointments  of Mr.                                                               
Twomley, Mr. Mumford, and Mr. Grussendorf.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:00:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL   UMPHENOUR  testified   in  support   of  Mr.   Mumford's                                                               
appointment to the  Big Game Commercial Services Board.   He said                                                               
Mr. Mumford  has worked hard  with the guiding industry  to bring                                                               
about ethics  regulations which  have now  been promulgated.   He                                                               
opined that  there are still a  lot of other issues  that need to                                                               
be  addressed to  "get  rid of  some of  the  people that  really                                                               
shouldn't be out there representing  the state and to bring forth                                                               
higher standards in the industry."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:02:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KELLY  WALTERS testified  in support  of the  appointment of  Mr.                                                               
Grussendorf to  the Board of  Game.   He emphasized the  need for                                                               
someone  to  serve on  the  board  who  is reasonable  and  makes                                                               
decisions based on science.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:03:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON opened  testimony  for the  appointment of  Mr.                                                               
Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:04:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TINA BROWN, Board Member, Alaska  Wildlife Alliance, testified in                                                               
opposition to  the appointment  of Mr. Barrette  to the  Board of                                                               
Game.  She said the Alaska  Wildlife Alliance was founded in 1978                                                               
and is  the only group in  Alaska dedicated to the  protection of                                                               
Alaska's wildlife.   She said  the alliance does not  oppose guns                                                               
or  hunting,  but  rather promotes  "an  eco-system  approach  to                                                               
wildlife management  that represents  non-consumptive use."   She                                                               
opined  that Mr.  Barrette's  patent and  manufacture  of a  wolf                                                               
trap, as well  as his proprietorship of a fur  tannery presents a                                                               
conflict of interest.   She offered her belief  that Mr. Barrette                                                               
did not  satisfactorily address  the previous  question regarding                                                               
that conflict of interest.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BROWN said  Mr.  Barrette recently  voted  to eliminate  the                                                               
buffer zone  around Denali National  Park.  That zone,  she said,                                                               
protected  the wolf  packs  in  the area  from  being hunted  and                                                               
trapped  since  2002.    Ms. Brown  said  although  Mr.  Barrette                                                               
stressed the  importance of listening  to the  public's concerns,                                                               
in his vote  regarding the buffer zone, he ignored  the wishes of                                                               
100,000 park  visitors and  Alaskans in order  to favor  three or                                                               
four recreational trappers.   She said Mr.  Barrette also ignored                                                               
the best interests  of the state's economy  regarding the tourism                                                               
industry.   She relayed that  a 2006 U.S. Department  of Interior                                                               
study showed  that wildlife viewing  in Alaska is a  $581 million                                                               
business that  is growing, while  the hunting industry is  a $124                                                               
million  business  that is  shrinking.    She said  the  wildlife                                                               
industry would  not be adequately represented  with Mr. Barrett's                                                               
appointment.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:06:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BROWN, regarding  the  issue of  snow  machines, quoted  the                                                               
response of  the chair of  the Board  of Game, Cliff  Judkins, as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I just cringe at the  thought of a snow machine running                                                                    
     down  a  park boundary  chasing  wolves.   It's  almost                                                                    
     beyond me.   It might be  something to do, but  I don't                                                                    
     know if I could do it.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROWN said Mr. Barrette  does not recognize the separation of                                                               
church  and  state  and  "allows   this  problem  to  affect  his                                                               
judgment."  She read a statement  she noted Mr. Barrette had made                                                               
during the aforementioned interview  with Backpacker magazine, as                                                             
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     It  specifically puts  out  in the  first  book of  the                                                                    
     Bible,  in Genesis,  that we  should subdue  nature and                                                                    
     control it.   We should be the managers  of the animals                                                                    
     through the sin of Adam of Eve, is what brought it on.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BROWN  added,  "This  does   not  represent  sound  wildlife                                                               
management views."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:08:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BROWN noted  that fewer  than  20 percent  of Alaskans  have                                                               
hunting licenses.   She said already  the Board of Game  does not                                                               
adequately  represent the  80 percent  of Alaskans  who are  non-                                                               
consumptive  users   of  wildlife.    She   said  Mr.  Barrette's                                                               
appointment    would   further    exacerbate    this   lack    of                                                               
representation.  She urged the  committee to support the majority                                                               
of  Alaskans, as  well as  the best  interests of  the state,  by                                                               
voting  against the  appointment of  Mr. Barrette.   She  related                                                               
that recent  letters to the editors  of all three of  the state's                                                               
major  newspapers, people  have expressed  concern with  Alaska's                                                               
current  management of  wildlife.   She said  a couple  weeks ago                                                               
over  200 people  attended an  event in  Juneau in  opposition to                                                               
wildlife  management  policies in  Alaska,  and  over 100  people                                                               
attended  a  rally the  Saturday  before  last  in front  of  the                                                               
capital.    Recently,  she  said,   collared  wolves  and  "Yukon                                                               
Charlie"  were  fatally  shot  because  of  a  "misunderstanding"                                                               
between state and federal officials.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BROWN listed  other events  she  indicated are  problematic:                                                               
the Denali buffer  zone was eliminated; Corey  Rossi was recently                                                               
appointed  as  the state's  new  wildlife  director; and  extreme                                                               
predator  policies  have  become  the  norm  in  Alaska  and  are                                                               
increasing in  number and area.   She said a recent  on line poll                                                               
in  Alaska Magazine  showed overwhelming  opposition to  predator                                                             
control  in  Alaska.    She  said  tourism  is  being  negatively                                                               
affected by the  state's wildlife management policies.   She said                                                               
she  knows   of  several   cancellations  resulting   from  those                                                               
policies,  in particular,  the elimination  of the  Denali buffer                                                               
zone.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROWN concluded:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     As   a  non-consumptive   user   and   a  citizen   who                                                                    
     constitutionally  owns our  state's  wildlife, I'm  not                                                                    
     being represented  by our state's  Board of Game.   The                                                                    
     appointment of  Mr. Barrette to  the [board]  would add                                                                    
     insult to injury.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:11:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARLA HART  testified regarding the  appointment of  Mr. Barrette                                                               
to the Alaska  Board of Game.  She related  that having served as                                                               
a former ADF&G employee for six  years, during which time she ran                                                               
the Wildlife  Viewing program, she  had the opportunity to  be on                                                               
the receiving  end of public opinion  regarding predator control.                                                               
She noted  that many of  the concerns  that have been  raised are                                                               
related to the appointment of Mr.  Barrette to the Board of Game,                                                               
and  she  indicated  that  she  would  focus  on  Mr.  Barrette's                                                               
appointment in terms  of its effect on the population.   Ms. Hart                                                               
stated that  the board should  reflect the diversity  of wildlife                                                               
use  among  Alaskans.    She  reminded  the  committee  that  the                                                               
Constitution  of the  State of  Alaska states  that wildlife  and                                                               
natural resources  are for the  maximum benefit of  all Alaskans.                                                               
Currently, that is not reflected by the Board of Game.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. HART  provided the committee  with the  following statistics:                                                               
85 percent  of Alaskans  age 16  and over  - the  age at  which a                                                               
hunting license  is required - do  not hunt; 96 percent  of women                                                               
in  Alaska do  not  hold  a hunting  license;  and  well over  50                                                               
percent of Alaskans responded affirmatively  in a national survey                                                               
that they watch  wildlife.  Ms. Hart added, "I  think we all know                                                               
that the  number of Alaskans  watching wildlife is  much higher."                                                               
She  stated  that  tourism   wildlife  photography  and  resident                                                               
wildlife viewing are not represented on  the Board of Game and do                                                               
not have  a voice, yet under  the constitution they should.   She                                                               
said,  "The economics  are clearly  behind  wildlife viewing  and                                                               
tourism."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HART asked  the  committee  to thank  Mr.  Barrette for  his                                                               
interest in  serving but  ask the governor  to find  an appointee                                                               
that would better  reflect all constituents in "the  broad use of                                                               
Alaska's wildlife."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:13:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNSON  noted  that  the  purpose  of  a  confirmation                                                               
hearing  is for  the committee  to review  the qualifications  of                                                               
each appointee; the actual voting  in favor of, or opposition to,                                                               
each appointee  is done during a  joint session of the  House and                                                               
Senate.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:14:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KELLY WALTERS testified  in opposition to the  appointment of Mr.                                                               
Barrette to the  Board of Game.   He said, "The vote  on the wolf                                                               
buffer zone was  pretty much my last straw."   He related that he                                                               
had  spoken to  Mr.  Barrette on  the telephone  to  urge him  to                                                               
resign because  of his  conflict of interest,  at which  time Mr.                                                               
Barrette told him what he stated  earlier to the committee:  that                                                               
his family  has not  benefited from his  business interest.   Mr.                                                               
Walters  said he  cannot  understand that,  because  he does  not                                                               
think Mr. Barrette gives his traps away for free.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALTERS said  he is  a  hunter and  fisherman.   He said  he                                                               
produced a  television show  called, "Moore  Up North,"  in which                                                               
there  was a  panel discussion  about predator  control that  was                                                               
broadcast  statewide.   During that  discussion, former  Board of                                                               
Game  member Bob  Bell stated  that he  would not  have voted  to                                                               
eliminate the  Denali wolf  zone because  he recognizes  that the                                                               
wolves  in  Denali Park  are  worth  more  alive for  viewing  by                                                               
tourists than they are worth  dead.  He offered his understanding                                                               
that Mr.  Bell is  against the appointment  of [Mr.  Barrette] to                                                               
the Board of  Game.  He said there have  already been close calls                                                               
with  the board  voting whether  to allow  hunting of  habituated                                                               
bears in the  McNeil River area and Katmai National  Park, and he                                                               
expressed  concern   that  if   Mr.  Barrette's   appointment  is                                                               
confirmed, the board would be "tipped too far to one side."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALTERS related  that in  2001, the  people of  McGrath were                                                               
concerned  that  the moose  population  might  be lacking.    The                                                               
thought was that there were 850  moose in the area, with a target                                                               
of 3,600,  so ADF&G  conducted a  comprehensive survey  and found                                                               
that  there were  actually 3,600  moose  in the  area.   However,                                                               
within  the   experimental  micromanagement   area  (EMA)   -  an                                                               
approximately 12 by 12 mile area  around McGrath - the target was                                                               
30 bulls per  100 cows for a sustainable  hunting population, but                                                               
the area was  down to 6 bulls  per 100 cows.  Outside  of EMA, he                                                               
said, that  ratio jumped to 44  bulls per 100 cows.   Mr. Walters                                                               
said he  thinks that  study was covered  up and  never discussed.                                                               
He  stated, "That's  the kind  of  science that  has been  denied                                                               
continually by  the [Alaska]  Department of Fish  & Game  and the                                                               
Board of  Game, and  if Mr.  Barrette is  brought on  there, this                                                               
process  will   continue  until  we  don't   have  any  predators                                                               
anymore."   He  said science  has shown  undeniably that  "wolves                                                               
actually strengthen herds."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALTERS  expressed  concern  with  Governor  Sean  Parnell's                                                               
appointment  of Mr.  Barrette.   He said  three times  there have                                                               
been initiatives through which Alaskans  have voted down predator                                                               
control.  He  stated his belief that predator  control would have                                                               
been  voted down  again  in  August 2008,  had  it  not been  for                                                               
"Governor Sean  Parnell's time with  the lieutenant  governor who                                                               
manipulated  the  language of  the  ballot  initiative [and]  was                                                               
brought  into court  several times."    Mr. Walters  said he  has                                                               
intelligent  friends in  many occupations  that were  confused by                                                               
the initiative; people  who wanted to end  predator control voted                                                               
the  wrong way.    He  urged the  committee  not  to support  the                                                               
appointment of Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:19:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM SHERWONIT  testified in opposition to  the appointment of                                                               
Mr. Barrette to the Board of Game.   He relayed that he heard Mr.                                                               
Barrette  speak  during  a  recent   Board  of  Game  meeting  in                                                               
Fairbanks.   He  said,  "I just  want  to say  that  I think  Mr.                                                               
Barrette is, if not misrepresenting  the Park Service position on                                                               
the Denali  wolf buffer  issue, is sort  of picking  and choosing                                                               
his  spot."   He  related  that  the  Park  Service put  forth  a                                                               
proposal  that  not only  supported  the  buffer zone,  but  also                                                               
proposed to  increase the size  of the zone.   He said  there has                                                               
been  increased  take of  wolves  within  Denali Park  along  the                                                               
border of  the buffer zone.   He said he thinks  Mr. Barrette was                                                               
"trying to  give the  sense that the  Park Service  testimony, in                                                               
fact, supported  the ... closure of  the buffer, and in  fact the                                                               
Park Service pushed for an increased buffer."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SHERWONIT,  regarding Healy  trapping,  said  a resident  of                                                               
Healy made  clear that trapping  was occurring in the  Healy area                                                               
very close  to residential areas, and  a number of pets  had been                                                               
trapped.   He  said he  was amazed  the board  voted to  continue                                                               
trapping in  the residential area  of Healy.   He said this  is a                                                               
larger public  safety issue  than one  bad trapper.   He  said it                                                               
would have been  easy for the board  to put a ban  on trapping in                                                               
the Healy residential  area.  He said Mr. Barrette  was a part of                                                               
that decision; therefore, he questions the man's judgment.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHERWONIT  said he knows  people's comments can be  taken out                                                               
of  context,  which  could  have  been  the  case  regarding  the                                                               
biblical  quote used  by Mr.  Barrette.   However, Mr.  Sherwonit                                                               
said  it is  important  to note  that  within the  aforementioned                                                               
quote,  Mr.  Barrette  emphasized  that humans  are  mandated  to                                                               
subdue and control  nature.  He questioned the  wisdom of putting                                                               
someone on the Board of Game who  believes it is the job of human                                                               
beings to subdue  and control nature.  He said  the board already                                                               
represents a narrow slice of Alaskans,  and to put someone on the                                                               
board who  "takes the  board to  an even  more extreme  place" is                                                               
troubling.   He said  he thinks many  Alaskans would  prefer that                                                               
the  Board  of Game  actually  represent  a broader  spectrum  of                                                               
Alaskans.   Mr. Sherwonit noted  that Mr. Barrette  had testified                                                               
that he  wants to  educate others,  but Mr.  Sherwonit questioned                                                               
Mr.  Barrette's own  education  in terms  of  a broader  wildlife                                                               
management   perspective.     He  opined   that  Mr.   Barrette's                                                               
nomination to the board should be denied.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:25:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK GREY told  the committee that he will be  82 years old this                                                               
year, and  he has lived  in Alaska since he  was 15.   He related                                                               
that he worked at the Daily News  Miner for 42 years.  He said he                                                             
carries a  master guide  license and  knows something  about fish                                                               
and game.   He  opined that  Mr. Barrette is  a unique  person to                                                               
have on  the board, because  he is "probably as  well-informed or                                                               
better  than  almost  anybody  in   this  area."    He  said  Mr.                                                               
Barrette's business  headquarters is a grand  central station for                                                               
hunters  and fisherman  in  the  area.   He  said  he thinks  Mr.                                                               
Barrette is "uniquely capable."   He said the opposition seems to                                                               
be  more  on one  vote  that  Mr. Barrette  cast.    He said  Mr.                                                               
Barrette has a way of looking at issues rationally and fairly.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:27:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UPHENOUR told the committee  that he served three terms on                                                               
the Board  of Fisheries and  is the  vice chair of  the Fairbanks                                                               
Fish and  Game Advisory  Committee.  He  said people  are talking                                                               
about conflict  of interest, but  if there is no  interest, there                                                               
is no conflict.   He said the majority of  the Board of Fisheries                                                               
are all either commercial fisherman  or are involved in the sport                                                               
fishing   industry.      He  posited   that   the   "anti-hunting                                                               
individuals" are  only focusing  on managing just  a part  of the                                                               
resource.   Mr. Uphenour  said he  is a master  guide and  owns a                                                               
fish processing business  in Fairbanks.  He said  he hears mostly                                                               
about fishing,  while Mr. Barrette  hears more about  hunting and                                                               
trapping.   He  said he  knows Mr.  Barrette surprised  the board                                                               
when  he  showed  up  with  his  own  copy  of  the  statute  and                                                               
regulation books used  by the board.  He opined  that that speaks                                                               
to  Mr. Barrette's  interest in  managing  the state's  resources                                                               
responsibly.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:30:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JACK REAKOFF related that he was  born in the territory of Alaska                                                               
and has  lived in the  Brooks Range since the  age of three.   He                                                               
said  he is  currently  co-chair of  the  Koyukuk River  Advisory                                                               
Committee  and  the  chair  of   the  Western  Interior  Advisory                                                               
Council.    He said  Mr.  Barrette  may  be a  nice,  industrious                                                               
person,  but the  question is  whether he  will uphold  the legal                                                               
mandate and  has the  conservation ethic to  perform the  role of                                                               
protector  of the  state's  game.   He  said  Mr. Barrette  voted                                                               
several times  to reduce the  amounts necessary  for subsistence.                                                               
He noted  that any  additional animals can  be allocated  to non-                                                               
residents.   He mentioned  a caribou  hunt "boondoggle"  that was                                                               
proposed by the department for  the North Slope and Brooks Range,                                                               
and  said, "No  one in  their right  mind shoots  cow caribou  or                                                               
allows the public to shoot  cow caribous that have three-week-old                                                               
calves."   Mr. Rekoff,  in conclusion,  opined that  Mr. Barrette                                                               
has proven several  times during the last Board  of Game meetings                                                               
that he  is not qualified to  be a board member  for the majority                                                               
of Alaskans.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:33:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNNETTE HINES  (ph) testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                               
of Mr.  Barrette to the  Board of Game.   She told  the committee                                                               
that she  is an Alaska  Native who  has brothers and  uncles that                                                               
hunt and  fish throughout  the state.   She noted  that she  is a                                                               
past president of  the Anchorage Tlingit and Haida  Clan, as well                                                               
as the  Alaska Native Sisterhood.   She said she knows  about the                                                               
woman who was killed just recently  by wolves in the Chignik Lake                                                               
area, and said that was a sad event.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. HINES said she opposes  Mr. Barrette's appointment because he                                                               
owns a  business that  can be  affected by  the decisions  of the                                                               
board.  She expressed disapproval  of the board for not following                                                               
the rules during its January 5  election.  She explained that one                                                               
of  the board's  employees, as  well  as one  of the  wives of  a                                                               
candidate, counted  the ballots.  She  said she wrote a  piece to                                                               
the Anchorage  Daily News  concerning that  issue.   She credited                                                             
[the  board]  for  approving  the   [Ahtna,  Inc.]  proposal  for                                                               
ceremonial potlatches.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. HINES said  she has lived in Southcentral Alaska  for over 40                                                               
years, has  driven cabs, and knows  that tourism brings a  lot of                                                               
dollars  to Alaska.   She  related  having seen  a wolf  recently                                                               
between  the  Alaska  and  Canada border  along  the  route  from                                                               
Anchorage  to  Haines.   She  emphasized  her priority  issue  is                                                               
subsistence.   She  talked  about the  importance  of the  animal                                                               
spirit.     She  said  she   does  not  support   Mr.  Barrette's                                                               
appointment because she does not think he would be fair.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:39:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WADE WILLIS,  testifying on  the appointment  of Mr.  Barrette to                                                               
the  Board of  Game, stated  that  the board  is responsible  for                                                               
managing game on state park  lands where "subduing nature" is not                                                               
the mandate.  He said the  board must work cooperatively in those                                                               
areas.  Mr.  Willis expressed concern that Mr.  Barrette does not                                                               
seem  to have  a  fundamental view  of  wildlife management  that                                                               
"allows that form  of letting Mother Nature ... be  natural."  He                                                               
questioned   Mr.  Barrette's   willingness  to   work  with   the                                                               
scientific  community  and the  public,  because  he witness  Mr.                                                               
Barrette  vote  to revoke  the  ADF&G  statewide bear  management                                                               
policy that  guides the department  on the  scientific management                                                               
of Alaska's  bears.  Furthermore,  Mr. Barrette voted to  "do all                                                               
kinds of  expansions of bear  baiting and bear trapping  into the                                                               
summer."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIS said  his  primary  concern is  that  in his  initial                                                               
testimony, Mr. Barrette  never mentioned that he  owns a trapping                                                               
business and  a tannery.   He stated that Mr.  Barrette blatantly                                                               
lied when he said he did not  petition the board to allow the use                                                               
of snow  machines in  the old  buffer zone area.   He  offered to                                                               
send Mr.  Barrette's testimony to  the committee; he said  it was                                                               
proposal  number 62,  which  was done  on March  5.   Mr.  Willis                                                               
expressed  concern  that  Mr. Barrette  does  not  represent  the                                                               
diverse points  of view the  state needs  to possess in  order to                                                               
manage both  state and  federal lands.   He  said he  has clearly                                                               
shown that he is quite biased and willing to lie.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:42:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ART  GREENWALT stated  that  there are  numerous  reasons why  he                                                               
thinks  Mr. Barrette  would  be an  unsatisfactory  choice for  a                                                               
position on  the Board of  Game.   First, he said  Mr. Barrette's                                                               
revenue  source is  from the  manufacture of  wolf traps  and the                                                               
operation  of a  fur tannery.   Both  incomes rely  directly upon                                                               
decisions made  by the  board - decisions  in which  Mr. Barrette                                                               
would play a significant part.   Second, relating the Denali Park                                                               
buffer  zone vote,  Mr.  Greenwalt said  he  thinks Mr.  Barrette                                                               
demonstrated a disregard for the  input of Alaska residents, when                                                               
he voted on  the side of a few recreational  trappers rather than                                                               
listening to the  over 500 local residents who  signed a petition                                                               
requesting  the  zone be  expanded,  or  the local  Park  Service                                                               
superintendent who also requested that  the zone be expanded.  He                                                               
said he was  astounded that Mr. Barrette could  disregard such an                                                               
overwhelming local public opinion.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GREENWALT  opined that  Mr.  Barrette  would bring  no  real                                                               
diversity  to  the board.    He  stated, "His  appointment  would                                                               
create  a total  absence  of any  representation  for the  entire                                                               
Southcentral region."   He  asked the committee  to keep  in mind                                                               
that  there are  hundreds of  thousands  of Alaskans  who do  not                                                               
belong to hunting  groups, or agree with them, that  would not be                                                               
represented by Mr. Barrette.  He  urged the committee to deny Mr.                                                               
Barrette's  confirmation.   He  concluded, "To  allow  him to  be                                                               
confirmed would  be the  same as  telling Alaskans  integrity and                                                               
professionalism have no place on the Board of Game."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:44:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHANNON MOORE  stated that  the Board  of Game  already addresses                                                               
controversial issues without the addition  of a member who has an                                                               
obvious conflict  of interest.  She  revealed that she is  both a                                                               
consumer of  hunted game and  an observer of game;  therefore she                                                               
does  not have  a bias  against hunting.   She  said it  would be                                                               
great  to  see  broader  vision   on  the  board  -  someone  who                                                               
represents  more of  Alaska.   She  said she  agrees with  former                                                               
testimony  that Anchorage  and the  Southcentral Region  need "at                                                               
least one voice" after the  retirement of former board member Bob                                                               
Bell.   She urged the  committee not to  forward the name  of Mr.                                                               
Barrette to the joint Senate and House.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:46:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG BROWN  said he is a  resident of Juneau who  started hunting                                                               
when  he was  10 years  old.   He  said  he runs  a small  whale-                                                               
watching  business  in  Juneau.   He  noted  that  currently  the                                                               
consumptive  use of  game  is  a $124  million  business that  is                                                               
"sinking like  a rock."   Conversely, wildlife viewing is  a $581                                                               
million  business, which  has been  rising 6-10  percent for  the                                                               
last  10 years,  not only  in Alaska  but throughout  the nation.                                                               
Mr. Brown related that Alaska is  not even ranked in the top half                                                               
of the  states for animal viewing,  and he opined that  it should                                                               
be.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BROWN  said he had  never heard  of Friends of  Animals until                                                               
three  weeks ago,  and he  has  now received  three e-mails  from                                                               
people questioning  whether they  want to come  take a  trip they                                                               
booked  with  him months  ago.    He indicated  this  uncertainty                                                               
pertains to a  boycott generated by Friends of Animals.   He said                                                               
the buffer  zone issue  is based  on providing  opportunities for                                                               
four  trappers, which  would risk  a $581  million business.   He                                                               
said wolves have increased business  in Yellowstone National Park                                                               
by $35  million a year, but  Alaska is creating a  terrible image                                                               
of shooting  wolves.  He said  he has been hearing  feedback from                                                               
people  in the  Lower 48  about the  use of  helicopters and  the                                                               
shooting of  collared wolves [in  Alaska].  He asked,  "How smart                                                               
do you  have to  be to  know that if  a wolf  has a  collar, it's                                                               
probably a  government person putting  it on, [so]  you shouldn't                                                               
shoot it?  It doesn't take a lot of brains to do that."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BROWN  said  he  has   never  before  testified  against  an                                                               
appointee; however,  he said  some of the  recent actions  on the                                                               
Board  of Game  have  raised his  ire.   He  said Mr.  Barrette's                                                               
business is a conflict of interest.   He stated his opposition of                                                               
the appointment  of Mr. Barrette to  the Board of Game.   He said                                                               
the  board is  stacked  with people  with  conflicts of  interest                                                               
already, and he  urged consideration be made to  appoint a member                                                               
of the board who is a non-consumptive user of resources.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:50:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVE  TURNBULL stated  that his  home of  Anchorage is  currently                                                               
unrepresented  on   the  Board  of   Game  and  is  in   need  of                                                               
representation.   He noted  that former  board member,  Bob Bell,                                                               
whom he  disagrees with  on most issues,  called Mr.  Barrette an                                                               
extremist that  has no place on  the board.  Mr.  Turnbull opined                                                               
that Board of  Game decisions should be based on  science, not on                                                               
financial  interests,  such as  Mr.  Barrette's  interest in  his                                                               
trapping  company  and fur  tannery,  or  on religious  doctrine,                                                               
which   Mr.  Barrette   mentioned  during   his  interview   with                                                               
Backpacker Magazine.   He asked the committee not  to confirm Mr.                                                             
Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:52:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON reiterated  the process that is  followed by the                                                               
committee during confirmation hearings.   He said the vote of the                                                               
Joint  Senate and  House is  scheduled to  take place  on Friday,                                                               
April 9.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:53:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  moved to  advance the  confirmation of                                                               
Bruce C.  Twomley to the joint  session of the House  and Senate.                                                               
There being no  objection, the nomination of Bruce  C. Twomley to                                                               
the Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission was advanced.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:53:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  moved to  advance the  confirmation of                                                               
Robert D. Mumford  to the joint session of the  House and Senate.                                                               
There being no objection, the  nomination of Robert D. Mumford to                                                               
the Big Game Commercial Services Board was advanced.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:53:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  moved to  advance the  confirmation of                                                               
Ben Grussendorf  to the  joint session of  the House  and Senate.                                                               
There being  no objection, the  nomination of Ben  Grussendorf to                                                               
the Board of Game was advanced.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:53:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  moved to  advance the  confirmation of                                                               
Allen F. Barrette  to the joint session of the  House and Senate.                                                               
There being no objection, the  nomination of Allen F. Barrette to                                                               
the Board of Game was advanced.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:54:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG emphasized  Co-Chair Johnson's previous                                                               
explanation by relating  that even a standing  committee does not                                                               
have the authority to stop a nomination.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON confirmed the foregoing is correct.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:55:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR JOHNSON recessed the  House Resources Standing Committee                                                               
to 3:00 p.m.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:00:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 3:00 p.m.                                                                 

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Appointees-Other Boards-Letters.pdf HRES 4/5/2010 1:00:00 PM
Appointees-Other Boards-Letters 2.pdf HRES 4/5/2010 1:00:00 PM