Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/12/2003 01:28 PM RES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 12, 2003                                                                                        
                           1:28 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Hugh Fate, Co-Chair                                                                                              
Representative Beverly Masek, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Carl Gatto                                                                                                       
Representative Cheryll Heinze                                                                                                   
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Representative Kelly Wolf                                                                                                       
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Board of Game                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Michael Fleagle - McGrath                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     John E. Jensen - Petersburg                                                                                                
     Rupert E. Andrews - Juneau                                                                                                 
     Arthur N. Nelson - Anchorage                                                                                               
     Melvan E. Morris, Jr. - Kodiak                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL FLEAGLE, Appointee                                                                                                      
to the Board of Game                                                                                                            
McGrath, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified as  an appointee to the  Board of                                                               
Game; provided background information and answered questions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN E. JENSEN, Appointee                                                                                                       
to the Board of Fisheries                                                                                                       
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified as  an appointee to the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries;   provided   background   information   and   answered                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RUPERT E. ANDREWS, Appointee                                                                                                    
to the Board of Fisheries                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified as  an appointee to the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries;   provided   background   information   and   answered                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR N. NELSON, Appointee                                                                                                     
to the Board of Fisheries                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified as  an appointee to the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries;   provided   background   information   and   answered                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MELVAN E. MORRIS, JR., Appointee                                                                                                
to the Board of Fisheries                                                                                                       
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified as  an appointee to the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries;   provided   background   information   and   answered                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DUNCAN FIELDS                                                                                                                   
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Encouraged  the committee  to advance  all                                                               
four appointees to the BOF to the full body for approval.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ED DERSHAM, Chair                                                                                                               
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Anchor Point, Alaska                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:   Predicted  the four  appointees to  the BOF                                                               
would make excellent board members.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
STAN BLOOM, Vice President                                                                                                      
Chitina Dipnetters Association                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                               
of [Mr. Nelson, Mr. Morris, and Mr. Jensen] to the BOF.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MIKE TINKER, Chair                                                                                                              
Fairbanks Fish & Game Advisory Committee                                                                                        
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                               
of  [Mr. Nelson,  Mr. Morris,  and Mr.  Jensen] to  the BOF,  but                                                               
characterized Mr. Andrews as an excellent candidate.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR                                                                                                                
North Pole, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified that  the [Mr. Nelson, Mr. Morris,                                                               
and Mr. Jensen] are going to be advocates for UFA.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ROLAND MAW                                                                                                                      
Kasilof, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Encouraged  the committee  to support  all                                                               
four of the appointees to the BOF.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DREW SPARLIN                                                                                                                    
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Encouraged  the committee  to advance  the                                                               
four appointees to the full body for consideration.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PAUL SHADURA, President and Executive Director                                                                                  
Kenai Peninsula Fishermen's Association                                                                                         
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Related KPFA's  support of the appointees to                                                               
the BOF, but  expressed the need for active  limited entry salmon                                                               
permit holders to be on the BOF.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SUE ASPELUND, Executive Director                                                                                                
Cordova District Fishermen United                                                                                               
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Nelson, Mr. Morris, and Mr. Jensen to the BOF.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CURT HERSCHLEB                                                                                                                  
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                               
all the appointees to the BOF.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JERRY McCUNE, Lobbyist                                                                                                          
for the United Fishermen of Alaska                                                                                              
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified  that the  UFA  recommends  Mr.                                                               
Jensen, Mr. Nelson, and Mr. Morris to the BOF.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HUGH FATE called the  House Resources Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at 1:28  p.m.  Representatives  Fate, Chenault,                                                               
Wolf, Guttenberg,  Masek, and  Lynn were present  at the  call to                                                               
order.   Representatives Heinze,  Kerttula, and Gatto  arrived as                                                               
the  meeting was  in progress.   Representative  Paul Seaton  was                                                               
also present during the meeting.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Board of Game                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FATE announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
the confirmation  hearing on the  appointment of  Michael Fleagle                                                               
to the Board of Game.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0086                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL FLEAGLE, Appointee  to the Board of Game  (BOG), began by                                                               
apologizing for  not making the  scheduled hearing  [February 5],                                                               
and explained  that "through  some technical  glitch" he  was not                                                               
informed of  that hearing.   Mr. Fleagle said he  appreciated the                                                               
opportunity to  serve the  state in  this capacity  and mentioned                                                               
that  he had  served  two  terms on  the  BOG  under the  Knowles                                                               
Administration;  his term  ended  January [2002].   He  mentioned                                                               
that  he was  looking  forward  to [returning  to  the BOG],  and                                                               
remarked,  "I'm doing  it with  my eyes  wide open;  I know  that                                                               
there's still a lot of politics at  play but I do look forward to                                                               
a new generation here in game  management, where we can maybe see                                                               
some  changes  in  active management."    Mr.  Fleagle  indicated                                                               
frustration "with  the total hands  off style of  game management                                                               
in which  the [BOG] and  the Alaska  Department of Fish  and Game                                                               
(ADF&G)  were --  basically just  became caretakers  of parceling                                                               
out a dwindling resource, further  increasing user conflicts both                                                               
between  nonresident  and resident  hunters  and  then rural  and                                                               
nonrural   hunters."      He  related   his   belief   that   the                                                               
aforementioned, not mention  the subsistence issue, led  to a lot                                                               
of hard  feelings across the  state.  Mr. Fleagle  suggested that                                                               
some of those  conflicts could begin to be  resolved by following                                                               
the  constitutional mandate  and  existing statutes  [specifying]                                                               
the management of  game resources for abundance.   He offered his                                                               
belief that  there would  be a reduction,  if not  elimination of                                                               
user conflicts,  if "we manage  to have game," which  he believes                                                               
includes predator management.  Mr.  Fleagle remarked "I've always                                                               
been a  strong supporter  of that;  I'm not afraid  of it,  and I                                                               
know that  there's a  lot of  people that  have a  political mind                                                               
that would rather  not see wolves killed for the  benefit of game                                                               
species, but I definitely believe  that it's both appropriate and                                                               
necessary."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0402                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOLF  noted  his   appreciation  of  Mr.  Fleagle                                                               
"walking into  this wide open"  and understanding that  there are                                                               
politics  involved.   He  explained  that as  a  BOG member,  Mr.                                                               
Fleagle would  be selecting names  for a new  commissioner, which                                                               
would then be passed along  to the governor.  Representative Wolf                                                               
asked  Mr.  Fleagle  if  he  was interested  in  to  filling  the                                                               
commissioner's  position with  someone new  or with  someone from                                                               
within the department.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0464                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. FLEAGLE said  he could not provide a clear  answer because he                                                               
didn't  yet  know  the  qualifications  of  the  applicants,  but                                                               
mentioned that there is a BOG  committee that is working on that.                                                               
He offered  his understanding  that there is  a real  concern and                                                               
pressure in  the fishing industry  that there be a  really strong                                                               
fishing (indisc.  -- coughing) on  the fisheries side  that would                                                               
be commissioner.   He noted  that he isn't  categorically opposed                                                               
to that,  and if  that is  the case,  then he  would try  to make                                                               
certain there  was a very strong  "game type of a  person" as the                                                               
director of the Division of  Wildlife Conservation.  Whether that                                                               
person comes from  within the department or not would  have to be                                                               
determined by  the individual's background  and philosophy.   Mr.                                                               
Fleagle  told   the  committee  he  would   support  anybody  for                                                               
commissioner, director, or deputy  commissioner that would affirm                                                               
the state  constitution and statutory  mandates to provide  for a                                                               
maximum abundance  on game populations.   He reiterated, "Whether                                                               
that  comes from  within the  department or  without, I  just ...                                                               
don't know."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CHENAULT [moved]  to advance  the confirmations  of the                                                               
five Board of  Game nominees, including Mr. Fleagle,  to the full                                                               
body  for consideration.   There  being no  objection, it  was so                                                               
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[The confirmations of Pete  Buist, Sharon McLeod-Everette, Ronald                                                               
J. Somerville, Ted H. Spraker,  and Clifford P. Judkins, had been                                                               
advanced  from committee  on 02/05/03,  so  technically only  the                                                               
confirmation of Mr. Fleagle was advanced on 02/12/03.]                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0733                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FATE announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
the confirmation hearing on the  appointments of [John E. Jensen,                                                               
Rupert E. Andrews,  Arthur N. Nelson, and Melvan  E. Morris, Jr.]                                                               
to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0765                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN E. JENSEN,  Appointee to the Board of  Fisheries (BOF), said                                                               
it was  an honor  to be  considered as an  appointee to  the BOF.                                                               
Mr.  Jensen  informed  the  committee  that  he  is  a  long-time                                                               
commercial  fisherman   and  is   still  participating   in  that                                                               
endeavor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOLF talked  about moving  forward from  the past                                                               
eight  years  and   asked  Mr.  Jensen  if  he   believes  a  new                                                               
commissioner  should be  selected from  within the  department or                                                               
from outside.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN remarked that he  really likes how the fish management                                                               
has  been going,  especially in  Southeast Alaska.   Although  he                                                               
hasn't  seen   a  list  of   those  who  have  applied   for  the                                                               
commissioner  position,  he  knew  that Kevin  Duffy  is  in  the                                                               
running.  He  related his belief that Mr. Duffy  has been doing a                                                               
great job as is the present management.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0948                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG recalled that last  week the BOF met in                                                               
Cordova  and heard  much  testimony with  regard  to the  Chitina                                                               
dipnet fisheries.   He asked if Mr. Jensen could  expand upon the                                                               
reason in the change in status from subsistence to personal use.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN answered  that personally [his decision]  was based on                                                               
new information that  wasn't presented to the board in  1999.  He                                                               
noted that criterion  8, "pattern of taking use  and reliance for                                                               
subsistence  purposes  on  a  wide diversity  of  fish  and  game                                                               
resources  that  provides  substantial  economic,  cultural,  and                                                               
social nutritional elements  of the subsistence way  of life" was                                                               
difficult with regard to the cultural and social aspects.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG  surmised that  now it's  an allocation                                                               
issue between the  Chitina dipnet fishery and the  fishery at the                                                               
mouth of  the river.   He  inquired as  to Mr.  Jensen's thoughts                                                               
regarding how that location would be balanced.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN  commented that  he never  realized it  was allocation                                                               
problem.   He said he  was mainly  concerned with the  fish stock                                                               
being healthy.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1118                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON highlighted  that  Mr. Jensen  is a  small                                                               
boat fisherman and  he was pleased that he  was becoming involved                                                               
with the BOF.  He then  turned to the evolving situation with the                                                               
North Pacific Fisheries Management  Council and the possibilities                                                               
of  going forward  with  processor quota  shares  and the  impact                                                               
those would have  on coastal communities.  He inquired  as to Mr.                                                               
Jensen's thoughts  with regard  to the  involvement of  the board                                                               
and its  position on allocating  fixed shares of the  resource to                                                               
processors so  that fisherman would  have to  continually deliver                                                               
fish to the processors to whom they delivered in the past.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN  said he hasn't given  that much thought.   He related                                                               
his  initial  feeling that  [processors]  don't  deserve a  share                                                               
because they aren't participating in  the fishery.  However, [the                                                               
processors] have been  stakeholders in the fishery  and should be                                                               
allowed to have part of the fish delivered to them.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  clarified   that  he   was  specifically                                                               
speaking to the  processor quota shares that  designate a certain                                                               
percentage  of the  catch would  have  to be  delivered to  those                                                               
processors.  He asked if  that happened in the federal fisheries,                                                               
would [the board] follow suit in the state water fisheries.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN  related his personal  opinion that the  BOF shouldn't                                                               
be allowed to make allocations to the processors.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1298                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FATE  remarked that Mr.  Jensen seems to have  had about                                                               
30  years of  great experience  with commercial  fishing history.                                                               
He inquired  as to how  Mr. Jensen  would react to  sport fishing                                                               
and its issues as it relates to the commercial fishing industry.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENSEN  said this  matter  of  the sports  fishing  industry                                                               
growing larger  and taking more  fish is problematic in  terms of                                                               
keeping the commercial catch at  a level such that the commercial                                                               
fishermen make money  too.  He said he didn't  have a solution to                                                               
offer other than more hatchery fish.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FATE  asked if  Mr.  Jensen  will  vote to  maintain  a                                                               
balance between the two fisheries.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENSEN related  that  his philosophy  is  to allow  everyone                                                               
their fair share  of the resource.  There are  answers other than                                                               
strict allocations,  he remarked.  For  instance, enhancements to                                                               
create more  fish could help  alleviate the problems  between the                                                               
two user groups.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1440                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO posed  a  situation in  which  there is  no                                                               
increase in  fish and  inquired as  to Mr.  Jensen's idea  of the                                                               
proper balance.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENSEN replied  that he  didn't know  all the  options.   He                                                               
reiterated that he hated to see  one user group suffer because of                                                               
another user  group.  Therefore,  he guessed there would  have to                                                               
be some give-and-take.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  requested that  Mr. Jensen shed  some light                                                               
on his concerns with regard  to sport fishermen versus commercial                                                               
fishermen.   He  asked Mr.  Jensen if  there were  no more  fish,                                                               
would he stick with the current allocation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENSEN   responded  that  he  didn't   believe  the  current                                                               
allocation would  be satisfactory  for him.   Mr.  Jensen related                                                               
his belief that the sport fishing  industry will end up with more                                                               
fish than the  commercial fishing industry because  of its larger                                                               
voice.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1669                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RUPERT ANDREWS,  Appointee to the  Board of Fisheries,  turned to                                                               
the  fax  sent  to  the   appointees  regarding  the  committee's                                                               
questions.  In response to  the inquiry regarding the appointees'                                                               
view of the mission or  future of Alaska's fisheries, Mr. Andrews                                                               
provided the following statement:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      First and foremost my vision is to see that product                                                                       
       quality is improved and enhanced in all commercial                                                                       
     fisheries;   high   recreational  resource   experience                                                                    
     values are  preserved; and  fish stocks  are maintained                                                                    
     for  those subsistence  and  personal  use through  the                                                                    
     sustained  yield principle.    Although  the Bureau  of                                                                    
     Fisheries  cannot solve  the  core  issue for  improved                                                                    
     salmon  market prices,  they can  help in  creating the                                                                    
     framework  for   improving  the  quality   of  products                                                                    
     harvested.   Through the  regulatory process  the board                                                                    
     can explore  new concepts of cooperative  marketing and                                                                    
     harvesting  and reducing  industry's  overhead cost  by                                                                    
     streamlining management procedures and policies.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     For  over 40  years, the  Alaska Department  of Fish  &                                                                    
     Game  and the  Board  of Fisheries  have penalized  the                                                                    
     efficient   fishermen   and   the  use   of   efficient                                                                    
     technology  as necessary  tools of  management.   World                                                                    
     globalization  has defined  a  new competitive  economy                                                                    
     that  Alaskans   must  recognize  to   participate  and                                                                    
     compete with  other nations  for a  share of  the world                                                                    
     market.  Many  Alaskans rely on fish  and fish products                                                                    
     for their  nutritional, social, economic,  and cultural                                                                    
     well being.  Whether  the use is subsistence, personal,                                                                    
     commercial,  or  recreational,  the  responsibility  of                                                                    
     orderly harvest  and allocations  to meet all  of these                                                                    
     needs is the mission of  the Board of Fisheries.  Being                                                                    
     a  member  of the  Board  of  Fisheries is  a  constant                                                                    
     learning  process  and  can   be  both  terrifying  and                                                                    
     rewarding  at the  same time.   Terrifying,  as we  all                                                                    
     know,  in  that  allocation decisions  impact  a  great                                                                    
     number of Alaskans.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     There is no other state in  the Union that has as equal                                                                    
     a  democratic system  for  fisheries  resource use  and                                                                    
     allocation as Alaska.  It  is this system that requires                                                                    
     large  time segments  for board  members, user  public,                                                                    
     and  the  professional  staff to  satisfy  human  needs                                                                    
     along with  the needs  of other  critters that  rely on                                                                    
     fish stocks.   I've had  a lifetime career  in Alaska's                                                                    
     fisheries, both as a biologist  and administrator.  And                                                                    
     I  concur   with  the  concept  of   orderly  and  wise                                                                    
     management   process.     Most   importantly,   prudent                                                                    
     application  where these  animals  live and  reproduce.                                                                    
     Public  renewable  resources,  by  their  very  nature,                                                                    
     evoke  political rhetoric  over  allocation. ...  There                                                                    
     are   no  simple   answers   to  difficult   allocation                                                                    
     questions,  but  there are  rules,  Mr.  Chairman.   In                                                                    
     other words, be  fair to all concerned,  gather and use                                                                    
     the best information and data  available, and be guided                                                                    
     by sound  judgment values.   My commitment to  you, the                                                                    
     administration,  and all  Alaskans includes  my promise                                                                    
     to  listen  carefully  and   respectfully  to  all  the                                                                    
     members of the public, even  those from other states or                                                                    
     the  federal agencies.   The  federal  agencies may  be                                                                    
     hard for me  for making a decision.  To  the best of my                                                                    
     ability,  my decision  will always  be  based on  sound                                                                    
     management and the need  for conservation and sustained                                                                    
     yield  management.    Once  those  concerns  have  been                                                                    
     addressed, I  will do my  best to make  fair allocation                                                                    
     decisions that  are in the  best interest of  the State                                                                    
     of Alaska.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Governor Murkowski  has yet to develop  his mission for                                                                    
     the administration  of Alaska's fisheries.   [Although]                                                                    
     some are self-evident when  examining both his personal                                                                    
     and political career in and  for Alaska.  Mr. Chairman,                                                                    
     I, along with other members  of the board, look forward                                                                    
     to   working   with   Governor  Murkowski   and   other                                                                    
     administration  officials   to  further   ensure  their                                                                    
     vision for the future of Alaska's fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1964                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA inquired as to  the goals Mr. Andrews had                                                               
in mind for the BOF this coming year.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREWS, speaking  only for himself, said that  he would like                                                               
to see the  process become shorter, easier,  more manageable, and                                                               
more understandable  to the Alaska  public.  He recalled  when he                                                               
first came  to Alaska in  1959, when  the Division of  Sport Fish                                                               
had a  regulation booklet that fit  in a shirt pocket.   However,                                                               
now there's 44  pages for Cook Inlet alone.   Something has to be                                                               
done about  that, he  said.  Furthermore,  Mr. Andrews  felt that                                                               
Alaska has  an opportunity  because Alaska  has the  trademark on                                                               
"wild", which  he believes  the state  should promote.   Alaska's                                                               
harvest is  a great source of  protein that should be  out in the                                                               
world market.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2079                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  returned  to the  subject  of  processing                                                               
quota  shares.     In  relation  to   the  commercial  fisheries,                                                               
Representative  Seaton asked  if Mr.  Andrews felt  that the  BOF                                                               
should contemplate  establishing processing quota shares  for the                                                               
Alaskan  fishery.   Representative Seaton  clarified that  he was                                                               
referring to fishermen  being required to deliver  their catch to                                                               
a certain a processor to whom they have delivered in the past.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREWS  answered  that he  didn't  believe  that  fishermen                                                               
should be  forced to deliver  to a certain processor;  that's not                                                               
the free market economy he understands.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2170                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HEINZE highlighted  that  Mr.  Andrews has  spent                                                               
many  years in  ADF&G.   She  inquired as  to  what Mr.  Andrews'                                                               
thought  is Alaska's  greatest problem  and  challenge in  sports                                                               
fisheries and how it can be overcome.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREWS  replied, "The  fishing  hole  is getting  smaller."                                                               
This state  has a tourist  industry that,  to a large  extent, is                                                               
based on recreational fishing.   Frankly, [the state] has brought                                                               
this on itself, he said.   Alaska fishing has become an important                                                               
industry  that has  brought  millions of  dollars  to the  state.                                                               
Recreational fishing is  important to a great many  Alaskans in a                                                               
great many  communities and  that must be  recognized as  a fact.                                                               
Mr. Andrews  specified that he  wasn't saying he was  partial one                                                               
way or the other, but only that it's economics.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HEINZE   pointed  out  that  there   are  blatant                                                               
violations in which overseas fishermen  come over, spend a lot of                                                               
money,   go  over   the   limit,  and   pay   the  $1,000   fine.                                                               
Representative  Heinze viewed  the aforementioned  as one  of the                                                               
greatest problems.   She asked  Mr. Andrews had any  solutions to                                                               
offer.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREWS informed  the committee that after he  retired he was                                                               
a guide in Bristol  Bay for a couple of years  and the lodge that                                                               
he worked for had its own  rules which were more restrictive than                                                               
the  state's  rules.    The client  knew  the  rules  beforehand.                                                               
Therefore, Mr. Andrews related his  belief that many lodge owners                                                               
recognize [the  need for the  rules] because it takes  8-10 years                                                               
to replace a trophy-size trout.   Mr. Andrews said that education                                                               
and working with the industry is  the way to [address] this.  Mr.                                                               
Andrews related that  personally he never let  the individuals he                                                               
guided  kill fish,  which  he views  as  the professionalism  the                                                               
industry should look toward.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2348                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOLF  turned to Mr. Andrews'  comments with regard                                                               
to sport fishing and tourism.   He recalled the former lieutenant                                                               
governor's  statement that  [Alaska] is  killing its  rivers with                                                               
hundreds of  thousands of people.   Representative Wolf expressed                                                               
concern  with  regard  to  the  direction  the  state  is  going.                                                               
Although  a good  job has  been done  with marketing  Alaska, the                                                               
previous administration  decimated an  economy in the  Cook Inlet                                                               
Region while  allowing another economy  to grow.   Representative                                                               
Wolf said  that he  didn't have any  objections to  promoting the                                                               
economic  [growth] of  any  region  of the  state.   However,  he                                                               
expressed  the  need  to  not promote  from  within  the  current                                                               
department, [which operates  under] the previous administration's                                                               
understanding.    He   reiterated  the  need  to   look  for  new                                                               
participants.  Representative Wolf  noted his concern with regard                                                               
to enhancement and inquired as to Mr. Andrews' views on that.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREWS remarked  that when there is someone  from within the                                                               
department that can  be promoted, it illustrates that  there is a                                                               
well-functioning  department.   Still, [the  position] should  be                                                               
open  to  the   rest  of  the  country.    He   noted  that  [the                                                               
commissioner's  position] has  been  advertised nationally  [via]                                                               
the Internet, and  although there are talented  people outside of                                                               
Alaska, those  individuals don't have the  hands-on experience of                                                               
being in Alaska.   Speaking for himself, Mr.  Andrews related his                                                               
belief that whoever has the  best qualifications [will be hired].                                                               
Hopefully, someone in the department can fill this position.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREWS  emphasized that resources with  worldwide importance                                                               
are involved.   As stewards of  the resources, [the board]  has a                                                               
responsibility to  the planet  to protect the  wise use  of these                                                               
resources.  Therefore,  the best talent is desired.   Mr. Andrews                                                               
also  emphasized that  the current  ADF&G is  a great  department                                                               
with great  talent and it  deserves all  the support it  can get.                                                               
Mr. Andrews mentioned that he is  one of the individuals hired by                                                               
the first  Commissioner of ADF&G,  C. L.  Anderson.  He  has seen                                                               
the department  grow and [develop]  a good  reputation throughout                                                               
the country  and the  world.  "None  of the  biologists represent                                                               
the user groups, we represent the resource," he stated.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2539                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG  returned to  the issue of  the Chitina                                                               
dipnetters.   He inquired as  what Mr. Andrews thought  the board                                                               
could  do  to alleviate  the  perceived  imbalance between  sport                                                               
fishing,  personal   use  fishing,  dipnetting,   and  commercial                                                               
fishing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREWS pointed out that  per state statute, subsistence is a                                                               
priority.   Personal  use  requires a  license  and requires  the                                                               
individual to be  a resident of Alaska and there  is no priority.                                                               
Mr.  Andrews  noted that  this  question  was recently  faced  in                                                               
Cordova and he was one of  the three board members that voted not                                                               
to change the customary and  traditional use (C&T).  He explained                                                               
that  he  voted  against  it  based  on  advice  from  the  legal                                                               
department, which said that there are  only two ways this C&T can                                                               
be reversed.   According to the law the bar  is raised when there                                                               
is  a change  from C&T  to personal  use.   Furthermore, the  egg                                                               
criteria must be  reviewed for any new information.   Mr. Andrews                                                               
said that he didn't see any  new information and thus he voted to                                                               
maintain the C&T.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREWS,   in  regard  to  alleviating   the  perception  of                                                               
imbalance,  highlighted  that  all   people  in  Alaska  own  the                                                               
resources,  although everyone  can't use  them in  the same  way.                                                               
All the fisheries are necessary,  and therefore he suggested that                                                               
human  understanding will  be requested.   Mr.  Andrews explained                                                               
that he  was concerned that  lowering the  bar by changing  a C&T                                                               
finding may create  some long-term problems such  as lowering C&T                                                               
findings already on the books without much work.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG  inquired as to whether  the board made                                                               
a decision with  regard to the number of king  salmon that can be                                                               
taken in Chitina in the personal use fishery.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREWS replied yes, one king for the personal use fishery.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG  recalled that to  be the same  as when                                                               
under  subsistence.    However,  he recalled  that  the  previous                                                               
personal use limit was three of four kings.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREWS explained  that it  had been  five and  then it  was                                                               
changed  to one.    He  recalled that  the  allocation range  for                                                               
sockeye is between 100,000-150,000.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2819                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MELVAN  E. MORRIS,  JR.,  Appointee to  the  Board of  Fisheries,                                                               
noted  that  he grew  up  in  Alaska and  worked  for  BOF as  an                                                               
assistant  biologist  in the  Anderson  days.   He  informed  the                                                               
committee that  he has been  involved in hunting,  fishing, sport                                                               
fishing, trapping,  and commercial fishing as  well as processing                                                               
and marketing.  Currently, he  is selling seafood at his company,                                                               
M&M  Marketing.    With  regard  to his  vision  of  the  fishing                                                               
industry in the  future, Mr. Morris related his  belief that much                                                               
of it  will have to come  from the political process.   There are                                                               
many  people with  good  information who  will  work through  the                                                               
board's process.   He echoed  Mr. Andrews' sentiment  with regard                                                               
to the  good staff [of the  department/board].  As a  new member,                                                               
Mr. Morris said  that he is still learning and  hopes to become a                                                               
valuable board member.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2942                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON turned  to  new  commercial fisheries  for                                                               
unutilized species and  asked if Mr. Morris was  willing to allow                                                               
those  to  develop under  a  commissioner's  permit in  order  to                                                               
generate the biological  data necessary to manage  the fishery or                                                               
does he believe  that all of the data has  to be available before                                                               
the fishery starts.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORRIS remarked that research is always good.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 03-5, SIDE B                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORRIS  mentioned the  test fishery  in Prince  William Sound                                                               
that  ADF&G controls  while being  a  restrictive permit  fishery                                                               
that allows evaluation of the resource.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2847                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOLF reiterated  his  earlier question  regarding                                                               
putting forth names for the commissioner.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORRIS  recalled [working] in  ADF&G and related  his feeling                                                               
that whenever someone  can rise through the  department to become                                                               
the commissioner  it's good for  morale.  Such a  commissioner is                                                               
good for the  state and the department because  the individual is                                                               
familiar with  the issues.   However, he acknowledged  that there                                                               
are good [applicants]  throughout the country who  will apply for                                                               
the job.   Mr.  Morris said  he believes  the process  will work.                                                               
The  committee [selecting  the  commissioner]  consists of  three                                                               
people  from the  BOF  and three  from the  BOG.   The  committee                                                               
[selecting  the commissioner]  will  be given  questions for  the                                                               
applicants, the answers to which  can be discussed with the board                                                               
members.   He agreed  with Mr. Andrews  that ultimately  the most                                                               
qualified person will be chosen.   If that individual has been in                                                               
the state  for awhile and  worked in  the department, he  said he                                                               
would be especially pleased.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2745                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR NELSON, Appointee to the  Board of Fisheries, informed the                                                               
committee that most  of his life he has been  involved in fishing                                                               
to various degrees.   He noted that he spent  a number of summers                                                               
working on  his parents' fishing  boats in Prince  William Sound.                                                               
He  reviewed   his  work  history   which  included   summers  on                                                               
gillnetters and  commercial trollers as  well as a  position with                                                               
ADF&G and a position involved in  the cleanup of the Exxon Valdez                                                               
oil  spill.   He noted  that  he has  also done  work in  Western                                                               
Alaska on subsistence and small boat  fishery issues as well as a                                                               
fair amount of field biology  for various projects.  Furthermore,                                                               
he spends every moment he can sport fish on his own boat.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON,  in response to Representative  Wolf's question, said                                                               
that  he  plans on  keeping  an  open  mind  with regard  to  the                                                               
commissioner's position.   He noted that  he is one of  the three                                                               
members  of the  BOF on  the  [selection] committee.   He  echoed                                                               
earlier  testimony that  the department  has some  very excellent                                                               
people within the  department and it's important  to promote from                                                               
within when  possible.  However,  he reiterated his plan  to keep                                                               
an open mind.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2597                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HEINZE  pointed out  that of the  four [appointees                                                               
to  the BOF],  three  have backgrounds  in commercial  fisheries.                                                               
She expressed that  her constituency is sport  fisheries and thus                                                               
she hoped that Mr. Nelson  would make his decisions while keeping                                                               
in mind sport fisheries.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON  replied that he  intended to  do his best  to balance                                                               
out those  areas in  which there  are allocation  battles between                                                               
the user groups.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2545                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  inquired as to  Mr. Nelson's opinion  as to                                                               
whether  the  Atlantic  salmon,  which has  been  caught  in  the                                                               
Pacific  fishery, is  likely to  thrive in  this environment  and                                                               
become integrated in it.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON responded that he  wouldn't know the answer.  However,                                                               
he  related his  belief  that it's  a  distinct possibility  that                                                               
Atlantic  salmon could  establish  themselves  in Alaska's  river                                                               
systems.   He  wasn't sure  to  what extent  the Atlantic  salmon                                                               
would  thrive in  Alaska.   He noted  that some  escaped Atlantic                                                               
salmon have already been caught  in Alaska's saltwater fisheries,                                                               
sighted in  Alaskan rivers, and documented  successfully spawning                                                               
in rivers in  British Columbia, Canada.  Therefore,  he said this                                                               
shouldn't be disregarded.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  asked if  the concern  is such  that action                                                               
should be taken or is action beyond our ability.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON  said at this  point, it's almost  like a needle  in a                                                               
haystack  situation.   However,  people should  be encouraged  to                                                               
retain  these fish  and  not  release them  back  into the  wild.                                                               
Everything that can be done to  pull out Atlantic salmon from our                                                               
rivers should  be done.  Beyond  that, he wasn't sure  what could                                                               
be done to stop the influx.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2418                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KERTTULA recalled  that last  year federally  and                                                               
locally  via resolutions  in the  Alaska State  Legislature there                                                               
was  opposition to  salmon farming.    Therefore, she  questioned                                                               
whether work  should be  done on  a national  level to  stop fish                                                               
farming in the U.S. and then internationally with treaties.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON  agreed with Representative  Kerttula's approach.   "I                                                               
certainly believe  that we should  be doing everything we  can to                                                               
either try  and stop fish farming  or at least, if  we can't stop                                                               
it  in  other  countries  particularly,  we  should  exert  every                                                               
pressure we can to make sure  that they're doing it the best they                                                               
can to limit  escapes and eliminate many of  the other biological                                                               
problems that can be associated with it," he said.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2355                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG  remarked  that  his  constituents  in                                                               
Fairbanks have pretty strong words  for the actions of the board,                                                               
some  of   which  are  directed   at  Mr.  Nelson.     Therefore,                                                               
Representative  Guttenberg  requested  that  in  the  future  Mr.                                                               
Nelson  should  represent  a broad  spectrum  of  interests  when                                                               
making  decisions.    Representative Guttenberg  said  that  some                                                               
people felt that  not only was there a decision  that they didn't                                                               
like, they  weren't treated fairly.   He mentioned his  hope that                                                               
the board would consider all the interests in the state.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUTTENBERG turned  to the  hatchery situation  in                                                               
the Interior  and asked if Mr.  Nelson was aware of  the decaying                                                               
ability  of  the  hatcheries  to  produce  the  variety  of  fish                                                               
necessary in the  sport fisheries.  There is  special concern for                                                               
stocking the lakes in the Interior.   He asked if there is a plan                                                               
or proposal to deal with the aforementioned.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON noted  that he  is relatively  new to  the board  and                                                               
isn't  immediately familiar  with [a  plan or  proposal] for  the                                                               
Interior.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2247                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON returned  to  the  processor quota  shares                                                               
issue  and asked  if,  under the  Alaska  Constitution and  state                                                               
statutes,  it would  be appropriate  for the  BOF to  contemplate                                                               
processor quota shares for Alaskan  fisheries such that fishermen                                                               
would  be required  to  deliver  set amounts  of  their catch  to                                                               
certain processors.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON  answered  that from  his  understanding,  he  didn't                                                               
believe  the   board  would   have  the   authority  to   do  the                                                               
aforementioned.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2186                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOLF  commented   that  the  past  administration                                                               
included  a dark  force  that actively  promoted  the mission  of                                                               
making the  administration the liaison  between the BOF,  the BOG                                                               
and ADF&G to  promote an agenda that  viewed commercial fishermen                                                               
as  dinosaurs that  should  "lay  down and  die."   He  expressed                                                               
concern  that  individuals  in the  department  agreed  with  the                                                               
previous  administration's "dark  force"  and  thus drawing  from                                                               
within the department to fill  the commissioner's position [could                                                               
be problematic].                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FATE turned to public comments.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2084                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DUNCAN  FIELDS informed  the committee  that  he represents  some                                                               
rural communities  in Kodiak, which  have commercial,  sport, and                                                               
subsistence  fishermen.   Therefore, he  has worked  closely with                                                               
the BOF and its  process over the last 10 years or  so.  He noted                                                               
that lawmakers and the public  hear about a few controversial BOF                                                               
decisions,  although he  has seen  many positive  and progressive                                                               
BOF decisions.   For instance, a few years ago  the BOF developed                                                               
a state  water's cod fish  fishery, which  has proven to  be very                                                               
valuable  to  the state.    Mr.  Fields  said that  he  generally                                                               
supports the  board process.   He noted  that he looks  for board                                                               
members who are willing to  work hard, learn about fisheries with                                                               
which  they're unfamiliar,  open to  different perspectives,  and                                                               
willing  to provide  access to  stakeholders.   Furthermore, user                                                               
group  balance  is important.    With  regard to  the  appointees                                                               
before  the committee  today, the  aforementioned qualities  [are                                                               
satisfied].  Mr.  Fields encouraged the committee  to advance all                                                               
four appointees to the BOF to the full body for approval.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1917                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ED  DERSHAM, Chair,  Board of  Fisheries, informed  the committee                                                               
that  he  has  worked  with   the  four  appointees  through  two                                                               
regulatory meetings.   The appointees came to the  board only two                                                               
days before their  regulatory meeting and it  was very difficult,                                                               
but they all got  to work quickly.  Mr. Dersham  said that he was                                                               
impressed  with the  work  ethic and  diverse  experience of  the                                                               
appointees.  So  far, the appointees have had to  deal with three                                                               
very  difficult  issues.   From  what  he  has  seen so  far,  he                                                               
predicted the four would make excellent board members.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1803                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
STAN  BLOOM,  Vice  President,  Chitina  Dipnetters  Association,                                                               
began by  saying that three of  the appointees to the  BOF denied                                                               
30,000-plus  Alaskans in  only 20  days of  service.   "Think how                                                               
many Alaskans  they can deny if  you confirm them for  30 years,"                                                               
he  remarked.   Mr. Bloom  highlighted  that Mr.  Nelson led  the                                                               
board through  a repeal  of a  C&T.  However,  Mr. Bloom  said he                                                               
didn't  believe  that the  board  could  repeal a  positive  C&T.                                                               
There was  no mention  of fish stocks,  rather [the  meeting] was                                                               
hung up on  users.  This [repeal of a  C&T involving Chitina] was                                                               
passed on  the basis  that dipnetters have  only been  using [the                                                               
resource  in  Chitina] for  less  than  20  years.   However,  he                                                               
highlighted  that  dipnetting has  been  practiced  for over  100                                                               
years.   This  was  the  most gross  mistake  he  has ever  seen.                                                               
Therefore,  Mr. Bloom  recommended that  the committee  shouldn't                                                               
approve any  of the three  commercial fishermen appointed  to the                                                               
BOF.   These appointees  didn't care about  state law  or supreme                                                               
court  decisions;  they  didn't  care that  on  the  House  Floor                                                               
Representative Charlie  Parr was  promised that the  C&T language                                                               
would protect dipnetters from Fairbanks when the law was passed.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1656                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  TINKER, Chair,  Fairbanks Fish  & Game  Advisory Committee,                                                               
informed   the  committee   that   he   is  representing   90,000                                                               
constituents in  the Interior.  He  agreed with Mr. Bloom  in the                                                               
sense  that  the  constituents  in Cordova  were  shafted.    The                                                               
arrogance  of  these  three   commercial  fishermen  was  obvious                                                               
because before the meeting, these  three appointees said they had                                                               
come  to  repeal the  C&T.    These appointees  voted  commercial                                                               
fishing  down   the  line  because   they  see  [the   issue]  as                                                               
allocative.    The  idea  that  the  state's  business  would  be                                                               
conducted by the  BOF in that manner was  upsetting, he remarked.                                                               
Mr. Tinker related that it would  be a travesty for the committee                                                               
to advance  the names of Mr.  Nelson, Mr. Morris, and  Mr. Jensen                                                               
to  the  full  body.   On  the  other  hand,  Mr. Andrews  is  an                                                               
excellent candidate  who didn't participate  in the debate  in an                                                               
aggressive  manner, especially  with  regard  to the  subsistence                                                               
C&T.  Therefore,  he felt that Mr. Andrews will  serve all of the                                                               
interests of Alaska while the other three will be self-serving.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1551                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL  UMPHENOUR,  a former  member  of  the BOF,  informed  the                                                               
committee  that the  names of  [Mr. Nelson,  Mr. Morris,  and Mr.                                                               
Jensen] were  put forward  by United  Fishermen of  Alaska (UFA).                                                               
The  UFA represent  blue water  fishermen,  although muddy  water                                                               
fishermen refer to them as  intercept fishermen.  He informed the                                                               
committee  that  there  are about  4,500  terminal  fishermen  in                                                               
Bristol Bay and 2,200 in  the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim region.  The                                                               
UFA has approximately 450 members,  of which more than 50 percent                                                               
don't  live in  the  state.   He  said  that  UFA represents  the                                                               
commercial fishing  interest of  Seattle, Washington, as  well as                                                               
the  intercept  fishing interest.    Mr.  Umphenour recalled  Mr.                                                               
Jensen's  answer   to  the  conflict   between  sport   fish  and                                                               
commercial fish to  be more hatchery fish.   Currently, there are                                                               
1.6  billion hatchery  smolt dumped  into the  ocean every  year.                                                               
For  example, the  Taku  River  in Juneau  has  110 million  chum                                                               
salmon smolt  dumped in  the estuary two  weeks before  the [wild                                                               
stock] arrive.   Between 1990 and  2000 the Taku River  wild chum                                                               
stocks  have decreased  by  81 percent.    However, the  statutes                                                               
specify that  wild fish take  priority.  Mr. Umphenour  said that                                                               
these appointees  aren't worried about  the wild fish  but rather                                                               
the dollar and  protecting the blue water fisheries  that fish on                                                               
hatchery stocks.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. UMPHENOUR  informed the  committee that he  was on  the board                                                               
and led the charge with the  positive C&T.  In the recent meeting                                                               
there was absolutely no new  information, he charged.  Therefore,                                                               
Mr.  Umphenour  stressed that  [the  appointees]  should be  held                                                               
accountable  for their  actions.   He predicted  that the  [three                                                               
appointees] are going to be  advocates for UFA, and therefore the                                                               
priority  is going  to be  for  the intercept  fishermen not  the                                                               
terminal users.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1292                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROLAND MAW  began by informing  the committee that he  first came                                                               
to Alaska  in 1970 and has  commercial fished since 1974  and for                                                               
five  years he  has guided  and sport  fished out  of Seward  and                                                               
Homer.   He  informed  the  committee that  he  went  to the  BOF                                                               
meeting in Cordova  during which he watched the  meeting and even                                                               
had discussions with the four appointees.   Mr. Maw said he found                                                               
all of the appointees to  be approachable.  He characterized them                                                               
as  an  interesting group  with  diverse  backgrounds.   Mr.  Maw                                                               
encouraged the  committee to support  all four of  the appointees                                                               
to the BOF.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1210                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DREW SPARLIN  noted that he has  lived in Kenai for  37 years and                                                               
is very interested  in the actions of  the BOF and the  BOG.  Mr.                                                               
Sparlin  related that  he  is  very happy  with  the caliber  and                                                               
qualifications of the  appointees.  Mr. Sparlin said  that he has                                                               
felt it necessary  to make changes to the direction  at the board                                                               
level.  Furthermore,  it is necessary to make  similar changes in                                                               
the policy  within the department.   The aforementioned  could be                                                               
accomplished  with the  appointment of  a qualified  commissioner                                                               
from  outside  the  department.     Mr.  Sparlin  encouraged  the                                                               
committee to  advance the  four appointees to  the full  body for                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1154                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PAUL SHADURA,  President and Executive Director,  Kenai Peninsula                                                               
Fishermen's  Association (KPFA),  clarified that  the association                                                               
[represents] muddy water fisheries.   Although the association is                                                               
affiliated with  UFA, the association  respects and  reserves the                                                               
right to  its own opinions.   Mr. Shadura related  KPFA's support                                                               
of  the appointees  to  the  BOF.   Although  it  seems that  the                                                               
governor's  office has  attempted to  fill the  board's vacancies                                                               
with  new  blood, KPFA  adamantly  believes  that active  limited                                                               
entry salmon  permit holders should  be on  the BOF.   He pointed                                                               
out that there  hasn't been a commercial setnet  permit holder or                                                               
a  commercial  permit  holder  from the  Cook  Inlet  region  for                                                               
decades.  If  there is to be a worthwhile  attempt to balance the                                                               
BOF  and assist  the  state in  revitalizing  the state's  salmon                                                               
fishing industry, it's imperative that  the Cook Inlet be allowed                                                               
a  regional perspective.   Furthermore,  the remaining  currently                                                               
seated  BOF members  should  be reevaluated  for  their past  and                                                               
future  agendas.   "No productive  changes to  fishery management                                                               
can occur with the concept of business as usual," he remarked.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:50 p.m. to 2:51 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUE  ASPELUND,  Executive  Director, Cordova  District  Fishermen                                                               
United, spoke in  support of the confirmation of  Mr. Nelson, Mr.                                                               
Morris, and Mr.  Jensen to the BOF.  She  related the belief that                                                               
it's  extremely important  for some  members of  the BOF  to have                                                               
experience  with  Alaska's  private sector  employer,  commercial                                                               
fisheries.  Much of the  board's work involves complex commercial                                                               
fisheries  management  issues.   She  noted  that [she]  had  the                                                               
opportunity  to watch  the  new  board in  action  and the  three                                                               
candidates actively  engaged in Cordova.   It was clear  from the                                                               
questions and statements, that the  three candidates had examined                                                               
and considered  the background materials  and public input.   The                                                               
decisions  in  Cordova  reflect their  commitment  to  place  the                                                               
resource first and,  if and when the  harvestable surplus exists,                                                               
to provide opportunities for utilization  of that resource to all                                                               
resource users.  She concluded as  follows:  "We believe that the                                                               
knowledge, diligence,  and desire to serve  that was demonstrated                                                               
by Mr. Nelson,  Mr. Morris, and Mr. Jensen  will prove beneficial                                                               
to  Alaskans  and  to  its fisheries  resources,  and  urge  your                                                               
support for confirmation of these gentlemen."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0900                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CURT HERSCHLEB  informed the  committee that  he is  a gillnetter                                                               
and  longliner  and supports  the  confirmation  of all  the  BOF                                                               
appointees.  He  noted that this was the third  BOF cycle that he                                                               
participated  in and  compared to  the first  two, he  found this                                                               
board to  be strikingly unbiased.   Mr. Herschleb said  that it's                                                               
unfortunate  that much  of the  focus  is on  the Chitina  dipnet                                                               
issue.   Of all the issues  before the board, the  Chitina dipnet                                                               
issue may have  the least bearing on user groups.   Mr. Herschleb                                                               
suggested that  those focusing  on the  Chitina issue  should get                                                               
inside the deliberations and the discussions of the criteria.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0782                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JERRY McCUNE, Lobbyist for the  United Fishermen of Alaska (UFA),                                                               
informed  the  committee  that UFA  recommends  Mr.  Jensen,  Mr.                                                               
Nelson, and Mr.  Morris to the BOF.  Mr.  McCune pointed out that                                                               
there are 33  groups with UFA and  all have to be  licensed to do                                                               
business  in Alaska.   These  33  groups represent  a variety  of                                                               
different  fisheries.    The  UFA  respects  the  opportunity  of                                                               
Alaskans to take the resource  through personal use, subsistence,                                                               
sport, or commercial.  Those needs  have to be balanced.  The UFA                                                               
believes that all Alaskans should  have the opportunity to gather                                                               
the resources.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0689                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FATE  highlighted that  the  last  few testifiers  from                                                               
commercial fishing [groups] only passed  judgment on three of the                                                               
four  appointees.    He  asked  if  there  is  a  connotation  of                                                               
commercialism in that.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McCUNE replied  no and  noted that  many groups  support Mr.                                                               
Andrews.   Mr. McCune  said that  the UFA  is still  debating the                                                               
fourth  appointee [Mr.  Andrews].   Furthermore, a  lot of  UFA's                                                               
groups haven't seen the board at work or know Mr. Andrews.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0583                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO returned to  the comments regarding the need                                                               
for balance and inquired as to  the meaning of the word "balance"                                                               
to Mr. McCune.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE  said that there  has been a  lot of balancing  in the                                                               
past, such as in  the Copper River and the Cook  Inlet.  He noted                                                               
that the  river systems  are a  bit different  than the  open sea                                                               
fisheries.   He explained that  the number one [priority]  is the                                                               
resource.  When  there is a problem with the  resource, the first                                                               
user group to  be shut down is commercial fishing,  then there is                                                               
an   attempt  to   balance  the   resource   for  personal   use,                                                               
subsistence,  and  sport fishing.    Although  there could  be  a                                                               
problem large  enough to close  subsistence, Mr. McCune  has only                                                               
recalled that  occurring in  the Kuskokwim  [River].   Mr. McCune                                                               
specified that balance  is 2 million sockeye on  the Copper River                                                               
and 650,000 for escapement and that  is used to fill the needs of                                                               
personal  use,   subsistence,  and   the  streams.     Often  the                                                               
escapement is over  650,000, such as last year,  and that results                                                               
in commercial  fishing being  shut down for  a period.   However,                                                               
such a situation  doesn't shut down personal  use or subsistence.                                                               
Mr. McCune  remarked that if  one looks  around the state  at the                                                               
river systems, one would find that balance has been achieved.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0282                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KERTTULA moved  that  the  committee advance  the                                                               
names of John E. Jensen, Rupert E. Andrews,  Arthur   N.  Nelson,                                                               
and Melvan E. Morris, Jr., to the  Board of Fish to the full body                                                               
for  consideration.   There being  no objection,  the names  were                                                               
advanced.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 3:31 p.m.                                                                 

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