04/27/2021 01:00 PM House MILITARY & VETERANS' AFFAIRS
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| HJR16 | |
| Adjourn | 
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
   HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON MILITARY AND VETERANS' AFFAIRS                                                                  
                         April 27, 2021                                                                                         
                           1:04 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Chris Tuck, Chair                                                                                                
Representative Andi Story                                                                                                       
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
Representative Matt Claman                                                                                                      
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative David Nelson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Laddie Shaw                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 40                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to veterans' benefits services and veterans'                                                                   
benefits appeal services."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SB 40 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 16                                                                                                   
Encouraging the United States Congress to pass legislation                                                                      
granting the Hmong veterans of the Vietnam War access to the                                                                    
same veteran benefits received by United States veterans.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HJR 16 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 40                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: VETERANS' BENEFITS SERVICES; DISCLOSURE                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) REVAK                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/25/21       (S)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/15/21                                                                               
01/25/21       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/25/21       (S)       STA, L&C                                                                                               
03/04/21       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/04/21       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/04/21       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/11/21       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/11/21       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/11/21       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/18/21       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/18/21       (S)       Moved SB 40 Out of Committee                                                                           
03/18/21       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/19/21       (S)       STA RPT 4DP                                                                                            
03/19/21       (S)       DP: SHOWER, HOLLAND, COSTELLO, REINBOLD                                                                
03/19/21       (S)       OBJECTION  (REGARDING REPORTING OUT OF                                                                 
                         COMMITTEE PROCESS)                                                                                     
03/19/21       (S)       POSTPONE QUESTION TO MARCH 24  Y14 N2                                                                  
                         E3 A1                                                                                                  
03/22/21       (S)       OBJECTION      WITHDRAWN      (REGARDING                                                               
                         REPORTING OUT OF COMMITTEE PROCESS)                                                                    
03/29/21       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/29/21       (S)       Moved SB 40 Out of Committee                                                                           
03/29/21       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/31/21       (S)       L&C RPT  5DP                                                                                           
03/31/21       (S)       DP:   COSTELLO,   REVAK,   GRAY-JACKSON,                                                               
                        HOLLAND, STEVENS                                                                                        
04/09/21       (S)       TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                                     
04/09/21       (S)       VERSION: SB  40                                                                                        
04/12/21       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/12/21       (H)       MLV, L&C                                                                                               
04/22/21       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
04/22/21       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/22/21       (H)       MINUTE(MLV)                                                                                            
04/27/21       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HJR 16                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: HMONG VETERANS MILITARY RIGHTS                                                                                     
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) NELSON                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
04/09/21       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/09/21       (H)       MLV                                                                                                    
04/22/21       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
04/22/21       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/22/21       (H)       MINUTE(MLV)                                                                                            
04/27/21       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR JOSH REVAK                                                                                                              
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  As prime sponsor, provided information                                                                   
during the hearing on SB 40.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTOPHER BLOCK                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SB 40.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MAI XIONG                                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 16.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
VERDIE BOWEN, Director of Veterans Affairs                                                                                      
Office of Veterans Affairs                                                                                                      
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided  information and answered questions                                                             
during the hearing on HJR 16.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:04:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CHRIS TUCK  called the House Special  Committee on Military                                                             
and   Veterans'   Affairs  meeting   to   order   at  1:04   p.m.                                                               
Representatives Nelson,  Story, Claman, Rauscher, Tarr,  and Tuck                                                               
were present at the call to order.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
         SB 40-VETERANS' BENEFITS SERVICES; DISCLOSURE                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:05:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK  announced that the  first order of business  would be                                                               
SENATE  BILL  NO. 40,  "An  Act  relating to  veterans'  benefits                                                               
services and veterans' benefits appeal services."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:05:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR JOSH  REVAK, Alaska State Legislature,  as prime sponsor,                                                               
thanked the committee for hearing SB  40 and noted that this bill                                                               
is for consumer protections for veterans.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:05:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK opened public testimony on SB 40.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:06:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTOPHER BLOCK  testified in support of  SB 40.  He  said that                                                               
he is  a disabled Air  Force veteran  who has worked  through the                                                               
Veterans  Administration process  since 2006.   He  described his                                                               
expenses for accessing benefits and  expressed his belief that SB
40 would  help many  veterans.  He  said that  even well-educated                                                               
veterans need the protection that SB 40 would provide.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:09:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TUCK asked  Mr.  Block  how he  knew  about this  proposed                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BLOCK replied  that  he  sits on  the  Anchorage Chamber  of                                                               
Commerce and is very involved in anything concerning veterans.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:10:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR asked Mr. Block  whether he believes the fine                                                               
of  $1,000 per  violation would  be appropriate,  given how  much                                                               
money he had spent on veterans' benefits providers.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BLOCK  explained  that  the  provider  he  used  retained  a                                                               
percentage of  the benefit  as payment.   He said  that companies                                                               
may not  be deterred by  a fine of  $1,000, but that  getting the                                                               
information out is an important step in the process.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   TARR   said   that   she   has   often   visited                                                               
organizations  such  as  Veterans   of  Foreign  Wars  (VFW)  and                                                               
American Legion and noted that  membership in those organizations                                                               
is "on the older  side."  She asked Mr. Block  whether he had any                                                               
thoughts   on   getting   younger  veterans   involved   in   the                                                               
organizations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BLOCK  replied that  since  leaving  active duty  and  being                                                               
involved with  disabled veterans,  he's noticed  the age  gap and                                                               
difficulty in reaching younger veterans.   He said that even with                                                               
involvement in  Disabled Veterans of America  and Wounded Warrior                                                               
Project  it's  difficult  to  connect,   and  he's  noticed  that                                                               
veterans  of  Operation Enduring  Freedom  haven't  been able  to                                                               
connect with  the VFW  or American  Legion the  way those  of the                                                               
Vietnam War have.   He said that  it would be helpful  to be able                                                               
to   access  information   outside   of   the  Veteran   Services                                                               
Organizations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:17:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TUCK,  after  ascertaining  that no  one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on SB 40.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:17:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR moved  to report SB 40 out  of committee with                                                               
individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  zero  fiscal                                                               
note.   There being no objection,  SB 40 was reported  out of the                                                               
House Special Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
             HJR 16-HMONG VETERANS MILITARY RIGHTS                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:18:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  JOINT RESOLUTION  NO. 16,  "Encouraging the  United States                                                               
Congress to pass  legislation granting the Hmong  veterans of the                                                               
Vietnam  War access  to  the same  veteran  benefits received  by                                                               
United States veterans."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:19:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK opened public testimony on HJR 16.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:19:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAI XIONG  testified in support  of HJR 16.   She said  that it's                                                               
been  more than  40 years  since the  promise was  made and  many                                                               
Hmong veterans have died.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:21:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR thanked Ms. Xiong.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:21:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TUCK,  after  ascertaining  that no  one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HJR 16.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:21:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR directed her question  to Mr. Bowen and asked                                                               
whether he  knew the number  of Hmong veterans who  have received                                                               
some sort of benefit.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:22:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VERDIE BOWEN,  Director of Veterans  Affairs, Office  of Veterans                                                               
Affairs,  Department of  Military and  Veterans Affairs,  replied                                                               
that 82 Hmong veterans have  received documents to get a driver's                                                               
license.   He said that the  Hmong veterans are passing  away, so                                                               
the sooner they're able to obtain benefits, the better.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK expressed  his agreement and noted  the high mortality                                                               
rate of Hmong soldiers in battle,  and he said, "We couldn't have                                                               
done it without them."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:24:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER  said  that  he supports  the  bill  but                                                               
questions the  existence of  a "promise"  to the  Hmong soldiers,                                                               
and  suggested  that  extension   of  veterans'  benefits  was  a                                                               
"concept" instead  of a  "promise."  He  expressed his  belief in                                                               
what HJR 16 is trying to accomplish.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK  asked Representative Rauscher whether  he was looking                                                               
for a document expressing the  commitment of the U.S. military to                                                               
the Hmong.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER   said,  "I've   been  trying   to  find                                                               
something  that  points  to  the  fact that  we  made  a  promise                                                               
somewhere, other than a statement ...  half a century later."  He                                                               
stated  his belief  that the  intention of  HJR 16  is important,                                                               
deserved,  and long-overdue.    He said,  "The  one 'Whereas'  in                                                               
there just seems to bother me a little bit."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK asked for direction to the 'Whereas' in question.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY directed  attention to HJR 16,  lines 25 and                                                               
26, which  read, "WHEREAS the  Hmong warriors were  promised that                                                             
they  would  be   treated  just  like  26   other  United  States                                                               
veterans;".                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:28:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  said that,  since  82  Hmong veterans  have                                                               
received  documents  to  obtain driver's  licenses,  evidence  of                                                               
service has  been substantiated.   She then referred to  H.R. 371                                                               
Hmong Veterans' Naturalization Act of 2000 and said:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The law only  applied to those who served  with a U.S.-                                                                    
     backed,   Laotian-based  special   guerilla  unit,   or                                                                    
     irregular forces, and served  in the U.S. 'Secret Army'                                                                    
     any time  between February 28,  1961, to  September 18,                                                                    
     1978, and were admitted  into the United States through                                                                    
     a political refugee  status process from Laos,  or is a                                                                    
     veteran  who meets  all  of  the qualifications  listed                                                                    
       above at the time the veteran applied to enter the                                                                       
     United States and was admitted as a refugee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  asked whether  Mr. Bowen  would like  to add                                                               
anything.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:30:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOWEN   explained  that  the  naturalization   documents  of                                                               
individuals  entering  the  U.S.  for  political  reasons  stated                                                               
whether they were  Laotian or Hmong soldiers.   Veterans' Affairs                                                               
has already acknowledged  that there was a promise  made to Hmong                                                               
soldiers;   it  also   uses  the   naturalization  documents   in                                                               
determining military  burial honors.   He further  explained that                                                               
at the  end of the  Vietnam War, the Central  Intelligence Agency                                                               
(CIA) flew  3,500 senior officers  of the Hmong army,  along with                                                               
their families, from Laos  to the U.S.  He said  that in order to                                                               
do something of that magnitude, there  had to have been a promise                                                               
made.   He said that Jerry  Daniels, a CIA operative,  had stayed                                                               
in  Thailand  after the  evacuation  of  the senior  officers  to                                                               
facilitate the  transfer of  Hmong junior  officers to  the U.S.,                                                               
but he died before being able to testify.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TUCK  opined that the reaction  of the CIA in  bringing the                                                               
Hmong officers  to the  U.S. expresses that  there was  a promise                                                               
given.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:33:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR moved to report  HJR 16 out of committee with                                                               
individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  zero  fiscal                                                               
note.  There  being no objection, HJR 16 was  reported out of the                                                               
House Special Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:35:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:36:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special Committee  on Military and Veterans'  Affairs meeting was                                                               
adjourned at 1:36 p.m.                                                                                                          
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects | 
|---|---|---|
| SB 40 Testimony Received by HMLV 4.25.2021.pdf | 
                    
HMLV       4/27/2021 1:00:00 PM | 
                
                    
SB  40 | 
            
| HJR 16 Supporting Document Letter to the Alaska Congressional Delegation 4.27.2021.pdf | 
                    
HMLV       4/27/2021 1:00:00 PM | 
                
                    
HJR 16 |