02/07/2008 01:00 PM House MILITARY & VETERANS' AFFAIRS
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
   HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON MILITARY AND VETERANS' AFFAIRS                                                                  
                        February 7, 2008                                                                                        
                           1:07 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bob Roses, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Nancy Dahlstrom                                                                                                  
Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                  
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative Jay Ramras                                                                                                       
Representative Robert L. "Bob" Buch                                                                                             
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
HOUSE BILL NO. 326                                                                                                              
"An  Act authorizing  the governor  to delegate  to the  adjutant                                                               
general the authority to order  the organized militia into active                                                               
state  service and  authorizing  the payment  of Alaska  National                                                               
Guard  called into  active state  service to  fight wildfires  at                                                               
rates  of pay  established  for  certain emergency  fire-fighting                                                               
personnel; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     -MOVED CSHB 326(MLV) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ANNUAL UPDATE & DEPARTMENTAL PRESENTATION                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
BILL: HB 326                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: NAT'L GUARD: COMMAND/ACTIVE SERVICE/PAY                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/17/08       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/17/08       (H)       MLV,  FIN                                                                                              
02/07/08       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL CRAIG CAMPBELL, Adjutant General/Commissioner                                                                     
Department of Military & Veterans' Affairs (DMVA)                                                                               
Fort Richardson, Alaska                                                                                                         
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Introduced  HB   326  on  behalf  of  the                                                             
Department of Military & Veterans' Affairs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TOM IRWIN, Commissioner                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 326.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LYNN WILCOCK, Fire Program Manager                                                                                              
Director's Office                                                                                                               
Division of Forestry                                                                                                            
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 326.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT GOODMAN, President                                                                                                       
Alaska Territorial Guard Organization                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified during the  Alaska National Guard                                                             
Update.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BOB  ROSES called the  House Special Committee  on Military                                                             
and   Veterans'  Affairs   meeting  to   order  at   1:07:23  PM.                                                             
Representatives  LeDoux,  Kawasaki,  Fairclough, and  Roses  were                                                               
present at the  call to order.   Representatives Buch, Dahlstrom,                                                               
and Ramras arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HB 326-NAT'L GUARD: COMMAND/ACTIVE SERVICE/PAY                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:07:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROSES announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 326, "An  Act authorizing the governor to delegate                                                               
to  the adjutant  general the  authority to  order the  organized                                                               
militia into active state service  and authorizing the payment of                                                               
Alaska National Guard  called into active state  service to fight                                                               
wildfires  at  rates of  pay  established  for certain  emergency                                                               
fire-fighting personnel; and providing for an effective date."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:08:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL  CRAIG  CAMPBELL,  Adjutant  General/Commissioner,                                                               
Department of Military & Veterans'  Affairs (DMVA), introduced HB
326 on  behalf of the DMVA.   He informed the  committee that the                                                               
administration,  the   DMVA,  and   the  Department   of  Natural                                                               
Resources  (DNR)  support the  bill  and  called the  committee's                                                               
attention to page 2, lines 12, 13, and 14, that read:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        The governor may delegate authority to order the                                                                        
     organized militia or any part of it, into active state                                                                     
     service under this section to the adjutant general.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL CAMPBELL explained that  the intent of this part of                                                               
the bill  is to change the  law for fighting fires  because fires                                                               
happen so rapidly.  The travel  schedules of the governor and the                                                               
adjutant  general can  hamper activation  of the  Alaska National                                                               
Guard  [(Guard)]  because  that normally  requires  authorization                                                               
from  the governor.   In  this specific  case, when  the adjutant                                                               
general  is notified  by the  commissioner  of the  DNR that  the                                                               
Guard  is needed  for  fire protection,  the  governor agrees  to                                                               
allow activation  by the adjutant  general.  Major  General Craig                                                               
continued to say that changes on  lines 19 through 23 will adjust                                                               
the  pay of  Guard  members who  are  activated for  firefighting                                                               
services from the state active duty  rate to firefighter pay.  It                                                               
was  determined  that  Guard  members   who  were  activated  for                                                               
firefighter duties were being paid  about one-third of the pay of                                                               
the other  emergency firefighters.   The commissioner of  the DNR                                                               
and Major General Craig agreed  that Guard firefighters should be                                                               
paid the  same rate of pay  as firefighters from other  states or                                                               
the private  sector.  He  concluded by  saying that this  bill is                                                               
supported by the governor.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:11:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM IRWIN, Commissioner, Department  of Natural Resources, stated                                                               
that he  strongly supported the bill.   During a time  of serious                                                               
fires,  help  is  needed  immediately;   when  the  equipment  is                                                               
available, the Guard is always there  to help.  He explained that                                                               
Guard members are Alaskans who  respond to the emergency and must                                                               
leave their jobs and families to go  to the fire line.  For this,                                                               
he said,  they are not paid  an appropriate and fair  wage.  This                                                               
bill will  allow Guard firefighters  to be paid what  private and                                                               
outside firefighters  are paid,  and he encouraged  the committee                                                               
to give the bill strong consideration.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:13:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROSES  asked whether this  arrangement would use  the Guard                                                               
to  replace  private individuals,  or  companies  that are  under                                                               
contract, to fight fires.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  IRWIN  responded  that  the bill  will  not  affect                                                               
private firefighters.  The Guard is used for extra protection.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:14:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROSES confirmed  that the  Guard  is called  in after  all                                                               
other resources have been expended.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:15:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER IRWIN  deferred the  question to  Lynn Wilcock.   He                                                               
emphasized that the intent is not to replace private service.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:15:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNN WILCOCK,  Fire Program Manager, Director's  Office, Division                                                               
of Forestry, DNR,  informed the committee that,  in an emergency,                                                               
DNR  must  certify  to  the   Division  of  Homeland  Security  &                                                               
Emergency  Management  (DHS&EM)  that   all  private  sector  and                                                               
civilian resources are  exhausted prior to requesting  use of the                                                               
Guard.   He added  that the  Guard is most  valuable at  the time                                                               
private  resources in  Alaska  are exhausted,  and  out of  state                                                               
resources are  being mobilized, but  have not arrived.   He added                                                               
that the  Guard is always  valuable and the Division  of Forestry                                                               
supports the bill.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:16:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  referred  to a  document  titled  DNR                                                               
Comments on 773-08-0016, second paragraph, reading:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ...as well  as the fact  that the Division  of Forestry                                                                    
     can  only  use  them,   referring  to  outside  or  the                                                                    
     National  Guard,  after  we  have  used  all  available                                                                    
     civilian assets.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH then said,  "... according to this memo                                                               
that  there's a  regulation in  place that  we would  have to  go                                                               
there  before  implementing  the   National  Guard."    She  then                                                               
returned to the  bill and observed that  the interpretation being                                                               
discussed  allows,  in the  case  of  fire situations  only,  the                                                               
adjutant  general to  activate the  Guard.   However, under  Sec.                                                               
26.05.070, she pointed out that  the governor may order organized                                                               
militia   into    active   state   service   for    any   reason.                                                               
Representative  Fairclough said  that her  interpretation of  the                                                               
change brought  by this  bill is, the  authority to  activate the                                                               
Guard is  delegated to  the adjutant general  no matter  what the                                                               
condition  of the  emergency.   These are  two totally  different                                                               
sections and  one will  allow payment  of firefighter  pay rates;                                                               
however, she  disagreed that  the change in  lines 12  through 14                                                               
are specific  to calling out the  Guard to fight wildfires.   She                                                               
said that this  change will delegate the  governor's authority in                                                               
its entirety,  and the  adjutant general can  call the  Guard in,                                                               
without the governor, for any emergency in the state.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:19:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  CAMPBELL said that  he agreed  with Representative                                                               
Fairclough.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:19:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  compared  her interpretation  to  the                                                               
first  bullet  point in  the  sectional  analysis that  says  the                                                               
authority is  specific to wildfires;  she stated that  the bullet                                                               
point is inaccurate and needs to be clarified.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:20:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL CAMPBELL confirmed that  the intent is for the bill                                                               
to  change  the  authority  for   wildfires,  as  stated  by  the                                                               
sectional analysis.   He said that he has not  asked the governor                                                               
to delegate authority over all Guard activations.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH re-stated her interpretation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:20:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROSES noted  that, if  the committee  adopts a  conceptual                                                               
amendment,  the  legal department  will  have  to deal  with  the                                                               
problem before the bill moves on.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:21:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL CAMPBELL  indicated  that he  would  not oppose  a                                                               
change  to  the bill  that  will  restrict the  authorization  to                                                               
fighting fires.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:21:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH said that  she will offer an amendment;                                                               
however, she expressed  her understanding that, in the  case of a                                                               
dire  emergency,  the  governor  may want  a  secondary  line  of                                                               
defense to  respond to  natural emergencies.   She then  moved to                                                               
adopt a conceptual amendment as follows:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     That   the   adjutant   general  powers   specific   to                                                                    
     delegation  of  authority   be  limited  to  activating                                                                    
     troops  of the  Alaska National  Guard to  firefighting                                                                    
     only.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:22:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL CAMPBELL said that he had no objection.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:22:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH opined  that the  Conceptual Amendment                                                               
is inaccurate because  the whole issue is that the  bill does not                                                               
require, except  under the provision  about firefighter  pay, for                                                               
DNR to be consulted.  The  amendment would have to be expanded to                                                               
include  the  caveat  that  DNR  is  required  to  agree  to  the                                                               
activation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:23:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL CAMPBELL re-stated that  the first part of the bill                                                               
indicates the governor's concurrence  with the adjutant general's                                                               
authority to  activate the Guard;  the DNR does not  activate the                                                               
Guard.  The  second portion is about the  payment of firefighting                                                               
wages.    He  asked  Representative   Fairclough  for  a  further                                                               
explanation of her statement.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:23:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  expressed  her understanding  of  the                                                               
statement in the sectional analysis of Sec. 1 and remarked:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     ...  it  says,  'the  Adjutant General  of  the  Alaska                                                                    
     National  Guard to  activate the  troops to  fight wild                                                                    
     fires' not  to pay them, but  to fight it, '  will when                                                                    
     asked  by the  Department of  Natural Resources.'   So,                                                                    
     he's, he's the one who is the kicker.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:24:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR   GENERAL  CAMPBELL   concurred  that   DNR  must   request                                                               
activation of the  troops.  The initiation of the  request is the                                                               
first step  to the  adjutant general's  activation of  the troops                                                               
and the subsequent  payment of firefighter pay,  not state active                                                               
duty pay.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:24:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROSES  observed that  the  committee  will not  amend  the                                                               
sectional  analysis and  that  the  bill does  not  have the  DNR                                                               
requirement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:24:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH said that,  the caveat in the sectional                                                               
analysis has both instances tied together with the DNR.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:25:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROSES  surmised that  when the bill  moves to  finance, the                                                               
sectional analysis can  be corrected.  Furthermore,  there was no                                                               
objection to the Conceptual Amendment.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:25:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked whether, in  the case of  a wildfire                                                               
happening when  the governor  was out of  town, the  authority is                                                               
given in advance.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:26:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL CAMPBELL responded that,  if HB 326 is passed, DMVA                                                               
will ask for a Letter of Delegation  that will be on file for the                                                               
governor's term of office.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:26:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked whether  Major General Campbell wants                                                               
the  authority  to  activate  the  Guard in  the  case  of  other                                                               
matters, such as a riot.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:27:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL CAMPBELL  answered no.  He  explained that military                                                               
authority  is  deferred  to  the   civilian  leadership  in  most                                                               
instances; all  control of the  response is a  civilian decision.                                                               
Secondly, the executive  power of the governor should  be to have                                                               
the  ability  to  determine  at  what  level  to  respond  to  an                                                               
emergency,  with the  exception  of wildfires.    He opined  that                                                               
civil  disobedience  builds  up  over time,  unlike  a  wildfire.                                                               
Evaluations show that  a wildfire is the only  valid exception to                                                               
the governor's control over the activation of the Guard.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:29:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH asked  whether Guard firefighters, when                                                               
fighting a  long lasting fire,  receive compensation  for medical                                                               
benefits  from their  civilian jobs  that may  be jeopardized  by                                                               
their Guard obligation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:30:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL CAMPBELL  assured the  committee that  firefighter                                                               
wages  include workman's  compensation at  an appropriate  level.                                                               
However,  this may  not be  equal  to a  Guard member's  civilian                                                               
employment medical coverage.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:30:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  observed that it  is a choice to  be a                                                               
member of the Guard.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:31:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  CAMPBELL confirmed that Guard  members have joined                                                               
the state militia with responsibility  to the state first and the                                                               
federal government when  asked.  This is the  primary mission for                                                               
the Guard's existence.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:31:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROSES closed testimony.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:32:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM moved to report  HB 326, Version A, with                                                               
attached Conceptual  Amendment, out of committee  with individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying fiscal notes.   There being                                                               
no opposition, CSHB 326(MLV) was  reported from the House Special                                                               
Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:32:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:33 p.m. to 1:34 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^Annual Update & Departmental Presentation                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:35:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR   GENERAL  CAMPBELL   informed  the   committee  that   the                                                               
Department of Military  & Veterans' Affairs (DMVA)  and the Palin                                                               
Administration have  a new strategic  plan that is  included with                                                               
member's copies  of the 2007  annual report.  The  strategic plan                                                               
is  the benchmark  that reflects  budget requests  and, with  the                                                               
DMVA website,  provides transparency of last  year's functions of                                                               
the  department.    For  further  information  about  the  DMVA's                                                               
activities, he  provided copies of Warrior  Magazine, and pointed                                                             
out that it is published at no  cost to the state.  Major General                                                               
Campbell thanked  the committee  for the past  legislative action                                                               
that  contributed to  the repeal  of a  federal law  usurping the                                                               
governors' control  over state  militias nationwide.     A crisis                                                               
was averted by action from  the governors and state legislatures.                                                               
However, he  warned that there  is a new recommendation  from the                                                               
U.  S.   North  American  Aerospace  Defense   (NORAD),  Northern                                                               
Command, that will need to be addressed in the future.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:38:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  CAMPBELL stated  that the Army  Guard and  the Air                                                               
Guard have  had two extremely  busy years.   Last year,  the Army                                                               
Guard had  the largest number  of soldiers from  Alaska, deployed                                                               
in  combat, since  World War  Two and  most are  home safe  after                                                               
serving exceptionally  well.  There  were 575 soldiers  in Kuwait                                                               
and Iraq;  a significant number  were Native Alaskans  from rural                                                               
Alaska.     There   were  150   members   serving  in   Kandahar,                                                               
Afghanistan, and during  the change of control from  U. S. forces                                                               
to North Atlantic Treaty Organization  (NATO) forces, the Taliban                                                               
accelerated fighting in the areas  outside of Kandahar.  However,                                                               
U. S. Army and Canadian  forces, with significant leadership from                                                               
the Alaska  Army National Guard,  prevailed.  Most are  now home,                                                               
except for  those imbedded  in Afghanistan and  in Iraq,  who are                                                               
performing training  missions with  the Mongolian observers.   In                                                               
addition,  there are  185 soldiers  stationed near  Baghdad.   He                                                               
opined  that the  "surge" [in  military presence]  has helped  to                                                               
protect these  soldiers from  death and serious  injury.    Major                                                               
General Campbell continued to explain  that the Guard is changing                                                               
to  a  battlefield  surveillance brigade:  a  re-organization  of                                                               
3,000 soldiers,  some of whom  will have  to be schooled  and re-                                                               
trained next year  for new responsibilities.  The  Army will test                                                               
the new brigade in about 15  months for a certification to serve.                                                               
He stressed that certification is  important to ensure that Guard                                                               
members learn the  life skills needed to benefit  their state and                                                               
villages.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:46:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL CAMPBELL  turned to the subject  of missile defense                                                               
at  Fort Greeley.    This is  an entire  Guard  operation of  250                                                               
soldiers, and the new commander is  doing an exceptional job.  In                                                               
the matter of  recruiting and retention, he said  that the Alaska                                                               
Guard is  98 percent  manned; in  fact, numbers  are up  to about                                                               
2,000  soldiers and  Native  recruiting  is up  after  a 15  year                                                               
decline.   With the new organization,  duties overseas, training,                                                               
and  high quality  leadership, the  state has  seen an  increased                                                               
interest  in joining  the Guard.    He continued  to report  that                                                               
aviators and Black Hawk helicopters  are going back to Kosovo for                                                               
their  second  rotation; in  addition,  fixed  wing aircraft  are                                                               
serving in  Iraq.  In  Kosovo, there is a  lot of tension  in the                                                               
streets, and the  presence of Guard support helps  to ensure that                                                               
negotiations   between  the   warring  factions   will  continue.                                                               
Operation  Jump   Start  is  a  nationwide   Guard  operation  to                                                               
strengthen the security along the  border of the four states that                                                               
share  a  border with  Mexico;  this  operation is  scheduled  to                                                               
continue  for the  rest of  this  year.   Finally, Major  General                                                               
Campbell reported  that Alaska is  the last state where  the Army                                                               
provides emergency  helicopter support  to civilians  through the                                                               
Military  Assistance and  Search Team  (MAST); this  program will                                                               
end  on the  first of  July, 2008,  and alternatives  need to  be                                                               
found for rescue services in the Interior.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:51:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS asked for the  timeframe of the loss of the                                                               
MAST program in Fairbanks.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:52:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  CAMPBELL stated that  he is talking  with Interior                                                               
representatives  about the  options  to provide  support for  the                                                               
Interior.  The  first of July, 2008, is the  date for termination                                                               
of the  service; within that  time it must be  determined whether                                                               
the state has  sufficient capabilities or will  contract with the                                                               
Army for emergency services.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:53:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS observed  that there is a  safety issue for                                                               
the citizens  of Fairbanks  and the Interior  due to  its extreme                                                               
weather and distances between population centers.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:53:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH recalled that, in  2002, the U.S. Coast Guard                                                               
assumed   a   great   deal    of   military   homeland   security                                                               
responsibilities.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:54:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL CAMPBELL  explained that the Guard  and Coast Guard                                                               
have agreed  that, with the  exception of the coastal  area south                                                               
of  Anchorage to  the Aleutian  Islands, that  is covered  by the                                                               
Coast  Guard, the  Coast Guard  takes  responsibility for  rescue                                                               
over  water and  the Guard  over land,  including Prince  William                                                               
Sound.   In a dire  emergency, the  National Guard and  the Coast                                                               
Guard are seamless in response over  the state.  He observed that                                                               
the Coast  Guard has many new  homeland security responsibilities                                                               
for  ports  and shorelines.    Major  General Campbell  told  the                                                               
committee  that the  Air  Guard has  a  new commander,  Brigadier                                                               
General Deborah  McManus.  Air  Guard members that  are currently                                                               
deployed  for  perimeter  security   missions  in  Kurdistan  and                                                               
Afghanistan,  security   communications  in   Iraq,  counter-drug                                                               
missions in  Ecuador, and  air refueling duties  in Guam  and the                                                               
western Pacific  Ocean.  In Alaska,  the C-17 is the  aircraft of                                                               
the future; its missions are  operated jointly with Air Force and                                                               
Guard crews.   Still  on duty are  C-130's, helicopters,  and air                                                               
tankers.  Major  General Campbell offered a status  report on the                                                               
Air  Guard  transfer  from  Kulis  Air  National  Guard  Base  to                                                               
Elmendorf  Air Force  Base.   Last year  infrastructure work  was                                                               
begun  at Elmendorf;  this year  the road  will be  completed and                                                               
realignment  and  vertical construction  will  begin.   In  2010,                                                               
Kulis will  begin the  transfer and  the base  will be  closed by                                                               
September  of  2011.    The  U. S.  Department  of  Defense,  the                                                               
Department   of   Public   Safety,    and   the   Department   of                                                               
Transportation are looking  at uses for some of the  land and the                                                               
buildings.  He  opined that this is a  very successful transition                                                               
without the need for state money at this time.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:01:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL CAMPBELL  continued to  say that  the Air  Control                                                               
Squadron at  Elmendorf has  been converted  to Air  Guard, adding                                                               
125 new jobs; furthermore, at  Clear Air Force Station, the space                                                               
surveillance mission  at Anderson/Healy  has also  been converted                                                               
to  Air Guard.   He  concluded by  saying that  the Air  Guard is                                                               
changing:  getting new  equipment;  going to  new locations;  and                                                               
stepping into traditional active duty missions.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:01:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH asked for a  description of the transition at                                                               
Clear Air Force Base.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL CAMPBELL explained that  the Air Guard did not take                                                               
over   facilities    or   infrastructure;   those    remain   the                                                               
responsibility  of the  Department  of Defense.    The Air  Guard                                                               
provides  the  security  and  operator  force  only.    Moreover,                                                               
employees,  such   as  the  civilian   firefighters,  maintenance                                                               
contract employees, and others,  remain under the DOD management.                                                               
Major  General  Campbell  turned  to  the  subject  of  Emergency                                                               
Management and  informed the  committee that  John Madden  is the                                                               
director   of  the   Division   of  Homeland   Security/Emergency                                                               
Management,  two divisions  that have  been consolidated  to keep                                                               
costs  down.   Even  though there  has been  an  increase in  the                                                               
number of disasters, this consolidation  is keeping the number of                                                               
staff and costs  down.  The merged staff is  doing an exceptional                                                               
job;  in  fact, disaster  case  management  files are  now  being                                                               
closed  in  three  years,  not seven.    Major  General  Campbell                                                               
acknowledged that,  in the coming years,  there may be a  need to                                                               
add staff,  but his  department is  staffed sufficiently  at this                                                               
time.  He also acknowledged  that help from the Federal Emergency                                                               
Management  Agency  (FEMA) serves  to  keep  costs down  and  his                                                               
budget  contained.   The federal  agency shares  responsibilities                                                               
with the state  and has been a big help  to Alaska when disasters                                                               
hit.  There is a FEMA  office in Anchorage and disaster assessors                                                               
from  the  Alaska  office,  or  the  Region  10  headquarters  in                                                               
Seattle, are on site whenever necessary.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:06:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL  CAMPBELL  explained  that  northern  ice  is  not                                                               
forming as fast, or as early,  and is melting earlier than in the                                                               
past; this is causing coastal  erosion with more flooding and the                                                               
destruction  of riverbanks  in northwestern  Alaska.   He  opined                                                               
that  later  freezing leads  to  faster  melting, ice  jams,  and                                                               
flooding.   He noted  that the  Kenai River  flood last  year was                                                               
caused by the quick break-up of  ice and rapid melting.  He asked                                                               
the committee to anticipate that  requests for assistance will be                                                               
changing, also.  Major General  Campbell addressed the subject of                                                               
Homeland  Security and  said that  the Guard  is still  operating                                                               
under  Administration  Order  203;  this  order  designated  five                                                               
individuals  from other  departments to  work with  the DMVA  and                                                               
build vulnerability  assessment teams to improve  security across                                                               
the state.   This  is a successful  administrative order  and has                                                               
provided  valuable  information;  in fact,  assessments  are  now                                                               
being  provided to  the  private  sector.   He  stressed that  80                                                               
percent  of homeland  security grants  go to  projects in   local                                                               
communities, not to  the state.   In addition,  Alaska is getting                                                               
less money  because the  focus is  more on  urban areas  and high                                                               
threat areas  such as nuclear  power plants.   Furthermore, total                                                               
funds for  homeland security grants  to Alaska are down  from $19                                                               
million per  year to  about $7  million per  year.   Although the                                                               
formula for money  is biased to urban areas, he  opined that this                                                               
is  a successful  program for  Alaska, and  sufficient funds  are                                                               
provided for security of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:10:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  CAMPBELL informed  the committee that,  last year,                                                               
the Alaska  Land Mobile  Radio Program  was transferred  from the                                                               
DMVA to  the Department of  Administration.   This is part  of an                                                               
integrated   emergency   communication   system   that   is   the                                                               
responsibility of the  DOA.  Looking at the  aspects of emergency                                                               
communications in Alaska, including  the ALERTNET system, tsunami                                                               
systems, and  the emergency communications arena,  indicates that                                                               
emergency    responders   in    Alaska   are    well   connected.                                                               
Additionally, flying is getting  safer with the implementation of                                                               
aviation  safety programs  that complement  the Federal  Aviation                                                               
Administration's Capstone  Safety Program (Capstone).   The Guard                                                               
aviation safety  program is  in the  process of  mapping Alaska's                                                               
terrain and, when  complete, will allow pilots  to simulate their                                                               
flights on  computers.   The two  programs working  together will                                                               
provide a safer environment for pilots in the future.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  CAMPBELL then spoke  of the success of  the Alaska                                                               
Military Youth Academy;  it is one of the finest  in the country.                                                               
The  academy  graduates about  250  young  adults and  monitoring                                                               
their progress after graduation has  proven that about 95 percent                                                               
continue  to be  successful citizens.   Funding  for the  academy                                                               
comes  from  the  federal  government  and  the  state  education                                                               
foundation  funding  formula.   He  stated  that the  educational                                                               
foundation formula  is an appropriate  source of funding  for the                                                               
academy because it is an  educational facility where former drop-                                                               
outs  complete  their  high  school  degrees,  General  Education                                                               
Development (GED) tests, and vocational training.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:15:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROSES  observed that,  as the  base student  allocation was                                                               
increased, the  multiplier factor  for the academy  budget became                                                               
over  inflated.   He opined  that  there will  be adjustments  to                                                               
determine  the appropriate  multiplier; however,  he said  he has                                                               
not heard  that the academy  will be  taken out of  the education                                                               
funding or that the base student allocation will be adjusted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:15:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL CAMPBELL  responded that,  last year,  the academy                                                               
lost about $1 million in its  operating budget and $1 million was                                                               
moved  into   the  capital  budget.     This  resulted   in  less                                                               
recruitment, advertising,  and fewer  incoming students,  but not                                                               
in  a loss  of the  quality  of the  product.   He expressed  his                                                               
concern that  the future  expansion to a  second academy  will be                                                               
put on hold  with this budget; federal money can  not be used for                                                               
new construction.  There is  the possibility of expansion at Fort                                                               
Wainwright  Army Post  or at  Eielson Air  Force Base  when space                                                               
becomes available.   Present  funding is  right for  the existing                                                               
facility in Anchorage, he concluded.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:19:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  CAMPBELL stated that  there has been  an expansion                                                               
of the  U. S.  Department of  Defense elementary  school STARBASE                                                               
program  from  Anchorage  into  Fairbanks.    This  program  uses                                                               
science, space,  and aviation to  increase students'  interest in                                                               
math  and science.   For  one week,  students fly  the simulator,                                                               
build rockets, and  participate in other activities.   Turning to                                                               
global  issues, Major  General Campbell  referred to  the Guard's                                                               
partnership  with Mongolia.   The  basis  of this  four year  old                                                               
program is for  the Guard to establish contacts,  assist with the                                                               
Mongolian military,  and to represent  the United States  to this                                                               
developing democracy.   Mongolians have  been to Alaska  to study                                                               
the  mining   industry,  emergency  management,   and  government                                                               
programs.   The  hope is  for further  business, government,  and                                                               
educational  contacts   in  the  future,  such   as  Sister  City                                                               
exchanges.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:23:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROSES recalled  an individual's  successful experience  in                                                               
Mongolia.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:24:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  CAMPBELL related his positive  experience with the                                                               
U.S.  Ambassador to  Mongolia and  re-stated that  Mongolia still                                                               
has soldiers  accompanying the Guard in  Iraq.  He then  spoke of                                                               
the  successful Adjutant  General's Conference  that was  held in                                                               
Anchorage;  it  generated $5  million  for  the community.    The                                                               
expenses  for the  conference were  pre-funded and  Major General                                                               
Campbell said  that he  has balanced the  books from  that event.                                                               
Further  events this  year included  Operation Santa  Claus; this                                                               
privately-funded  program,  going on  now  for  52 years,  brings                                                               
gifts and  holiday cheer  to villages.   Finally, he  stated that                                                               
the Veteran's Administration is  expanding at Elmendorf Air Force                                                               
Base  and will  begin  outreach services  for returning  veterans                                                               
that  live in  rural areas.   There  will be  a request  from the                                                               
veteran's  organizations for  $30,000 in  additional funding  for                                                               
travel  to  rural  Alaska,  and  for  cost  adjustments  for  the                                                               
services provided.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:29:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  observed that a letter  from the committee                                                               
was submitted today in support for the additional travel funds.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:30:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  CAMPBELL explained  that the  Guard has  also been                                                               
very  active processing  discharge  certificates  for the  Alaska                                                               
Territorial Guard.  From 2004  to 2007, about 171 discharges were                                                               
processed, and  received, for veterans  of the  territorial guard                                                               
that  are now  recognized as  members of  the military.   At  the                                                               
governor's request, the program has  been accelerated, and due to                                                               
an  increase  of $50,000  in  the  budget,  there have  been  424                                                               
discharges processed in  2008.  There are over  6,000 contacts to                                                               
be  made and  extra efforts  are being  made by  the federal  and                                                               
tribal  governments  to  connect  with Alaska  Natives  in  rural                                                               
areas.    A  variety  of   offices  are  assisting  to  keep  the                                                               
applications  in circulation.   Those  who served  in the  Alaska                                                               
Territorial  Guard  will  now receive  veterans'  retirement  and                                                               
medical  benefits; however,  after approval  of the  application,                                                               
there is  a processing time  of three  to nine months  before the                                                               
veteran, or surviving spouse, will receive benefits.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:34:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT    GOODMAN,    President,   Alaska    Territorial    Guard                                                               
Organization,  expressed his  appreciation  of the  DMVA and  its                                                               
policies; however,  he opined  that its  treatment of  the Alaska                                                               
Territorial Guard veterans has been  miserable.  He observed that                                                               
the first discharge  was presented on the  eighteenth of October,                                                               
2004,  and  Guard representatives  travelled  to  30 villages  to                                                               
begin processing  the discharges.   Mr. Goodman said that,  as of                                                               
July  of 2007,  not one  discharge or  request had  been obtained                                                               
because processing the  discharges was not a  priority with Major                                                               
General Campbell.  Now that  more resources have been directed to                                                               
the  effort, more  discharges are  being processed,  but benefits                                                               
are  still not  being paid.    He pointed  out that  twenty-seven                                                               
people are  entitled to back pay  and some have been  waiting for                                                               
two  and one-half  years due  to  the department's  incompetence.                                                               
All  of those  waiting to  be paid  range in  age from  76 to  91                                                               
years.   In  addition, 53  percent of  the surviving  spouses are                                                               
from  Nome and  Kotzebue  and qualify  for  low income  benefits.                                                               
Furthermore, Mr. Goodman  stated that there is  $130,000 due from                                                               
the state that can be paid at any time.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:37:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ROSES   expressed  his  appreciation  for   Mr.  Goodman's                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:38:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GOODMAN opined  that there  is not  a written  plan for  the                                                               
issuance of the  discharges.  He said that he  felt Major General                                                               
Campbell should be  held accountable for the  senior veterans who                                                               
are not being taken of.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:38:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAMRAS  thanked the Major General  for the Guard's                                                               
help  at the  Tanana  Valley  fair and  for  his assistance  with                                                               
legislation  to advocate  for  youth.   He  recognized the  Major                                                               
General's  enthusiasm and  optimism  for youth  and the  standing                                                               
military.  He remarked:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     "You ... give ... the  various disciplines of the Guard                                                                    
     purpose, ... you are able  to articulate those missions                                                                    
     and that  purpose, in  a way that  removes it  from all                                                                    
     stereotypes.   ... you provide purpose,  and honor, and                                                                    
     focus ... and articulate better  than I have ever heard                                                                    
     how important the function of  the Guard in its various                                                                    
     manifestations are to the state of Alaska ...                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:41:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ROSES recalled his visit to  Fort Greely and the high level                                                               
of  competence  he  saw.    The members  there  do  have  serious                                                               
concerns  regarding the  lack of  access  to medical  care.   The                                                               
services  need to  be provided  and  the private  sector and  the                                                               
military sector  need to  work together  to provide  for military                                                               
families.  Chair Roses then said:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     I know that this issue  of the territorial guard is one                                                                    
     that has caused some anxiety for  a lot of people.  And                                                                    
     I certainly  hope that  you are  moving forward  with a                                                                    
     plan, and that if you do  have a strategy that you have                                                                    
     in writing,  I certainly would  love to see it,  and if                                                                    
     not,  I  would  certainly   hope  that  you  could  put                                                                    
     something together; because I  know your desire to make                                                                    
     sure that  these guys get  what they're entitled  to is                                                                    
     just as strong as  other people's.  And, unfortunately,                                                                    
     we haven't  always moved in  the same direction  at the                                                                    
     same time  and had  everybody on the  same page,  but I                                                                    
     hope from this point forward, we can ....                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:43:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special Committee  on Military and Veterans'  Affairs meeting was                                                               
adjourned at 2:43 p.m.                                                                                                          
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