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             HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON                                        
           MILITARY AND VETERANS' AFFAIRS                                      
                 February 24, 1998                                             
                     4:11 p.m.                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                
                                                                               
Representative Beverly Masek, Chair                                            
Representative Joe Ryan                                                        
Representative Pete Kott                                                       
Representative Eldon Mulder                                                    
Representative Richard Foster                                                  
Representative Reggie Joule                                                    
Representative Irene Nicholia                                                  
                                                                               
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                 
                                                                               
All members present                                                            
                                                                               
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                             
                                                                               
* HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 51                                                
Relating to support for H.R. 2924, which allows certain Alaska                 
Native Vietnam veterans and the Elim Native Corporation to select              
land under the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act.                            
                                                                               
     - MOVED CSHJR 51(MLV) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                    
                                                                               
* HOUSE BILL NO. 362                                                           
"An Act relating to the use of space for military lounges in state-            
owned or state-controlled airports."                                           
                                                                               
     - MOVED HB 362 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                           
                                                                               
(* First public hearing)                                                       
                                                                               
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                
                                                                               
BILL: HJR 51                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: SUPPORT H.R. 2924                                                 
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVES(S) MASEK, Foster, Ivan                             
                                                                               
Jrn-Date    Jrn-Page           Action                                          
01/26/98      2132     (H)  READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                  
01/26/98      2132     (H)  MLV                                                
02/19/98               (H)  MLV AT  4:30 PM CAPITOL 17                         
02/19/98               (H)  MINUTE(MLV)                                        
02/24/98               (H)  MLV AT  4:00 PM CAPITOL 17                         
                                                                               
BILL: HB 362                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: AIRPORT MILITARY LOUNGES                                          
SPONSOR(S): SPECIAL CMTE MILITARY & VETERANS AFFAIRS                           
                                                                               
Jrn-Date    Jrn-Page           Action                                          
01/28/98      2153     (H)  READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                  
01/28/98      2154     (H)  MLV, STATE AFFAIRS                                 
02/19/98               (H)  MLV AT  4:30 PM CAPITOL 17                         
02/19/98               (H)  MINUTE(MLV)                                        
02/24/98               (H)  MLV AT  4:00 PM CAPITOL 17                         
                                                                               
WITNESS REGISTER                                                               
                                                                               
DONALD STOLWORTHY, Legislative Administrative                                  
  Assistant to Representative Beverly Masek                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                       
Capitol Building, Room 432                                                     
Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                           
Telephone:  (907) 465-2811                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented sponsor statement for HJR 51.                   
                                                                               
LAWRENCE SIFSOF                                                                
P.O. Box 15                                                                    
Dillingham, Alaska 99576                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 842-5523                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 51.                           
                                                                               
DAN NODEN                                                                      
P.O. Box 896                                                                   
Dillingham, Alaska 99576                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 842-5131                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 51.                           
                                                                               
PATRICK CHIKLAK, JR.                                                           
Realty Department                                                              
Bristol Bay Native Association                                                 
P.O. Box 1281                                                                  
Dillingham, Alaska 99576                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 842-5257                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HJR 51.                                      
                                                                               
LAURENCE O'NEILL                                                               
3123 East 41st Avenue                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska 99508                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 51.                           
                                                                               
PETER CHRISTOPHER                                                              
Box 85                                                                         
New Stuyahok, Alaska 99636                                                     
Telephone:  (907) 693-3171                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 51.                           
                                                                               
VERNE GOLIA                                                                    
P.O. Box 465                                                                   
Dillingham, Alaska 99576                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 842-5548                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 51.                           
                                                                               
VICTOR SIFSOF                                                                  
P.O. Box 815                                                                   
Dillingham, Alaska 99576                                                       
Telephone:  (907) 842-5574                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 51.                           
                                                                               
TOM MORGAN                                                                     
Anchorage Armed Services YMCA                                                  
19341 Upper Skyline Drive                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska 99577                                                        
Telephone:  (907) 552-9622                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 362.                           
                                                                               
BONNIE DORMAN                                                                  
8831 Cross Pointe Loop                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska 99504                                                        
Telephone:  (907) 333-9003                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 362.                           
                                                                               
COLONEL SAMUEL JOHNSON, Commander                                              
Eleventh Air Support Group                                                     
5841 Azalea Drive                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                              
Telephone:  (907) 552-3443                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 362.                           
                                                                               
DENNIS R. POSHARD, Legislative Liaison                                         
  and Special Assistant                                                        
Office of the Commissioner                                                     
Department of Transportation                                                   
  and Public Facilities                                                        
3132 Channel Drive                                                             
Juneau, Alaska 99801-7898                                                      
Telephone:  (907) 465-3904                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 362.                                      
                                                                               
CAROL CARROLL, Director                                                        
Administrative Services Division                                               
Department of Military and                                                     
  Veterans Affairs                                                             
P.O. Box 110900                                                                
Juneau, Alaska 99811-0900                                                      
Telephone:  (907) 465-4730                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 362.                           
                                                                               
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                               
                                                                               
TAPE 98-1, SIDE A                                                              
Number 0001                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIR BEVERLY MASEK called the House Special Committee on Military             
and Veterans' Affairs meeting to order at 4:11 p.m.  Members                   
present at the call to order were Representatives Masek, Ryan, Kott            
and Joule.  Representative Mulder arrived at 4:12 p.m.,                        
Representative Nicholia arrived at 4:20 p.m. and Representative                
Foster arrived at 4:21 p.m.                                                    
                                                                               
HJR 51 - SUPPORT H.R. 2924                                                     
                                                                               
Number 0080                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIR MASEK announced the first order of business would be HJR 51,             
"Relating to support for H.R. 2924, which allows certain Alaska                
Native Vietnam veterans and the Elim Native Corporation to select              
land under the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act."                           
                                                                               
DONALD STOLWORTHY, Legislative Administrative Assistant to                     
Representative Beverly Masek, Alaska State Legislature, came                   
forward to present HJR 51.  He read the following statement into               
the record:                                                                    
                                                                               
"During the Vietnam Era, between 800 and 2,000 Alaska Natives                  
serving in the armed forces missed their opportunity to apply for              
their Native land allotments under the Alaska Native Claims                    
Settlement Act (ANCSA).  These veterans were either serving in                 
combat zones, or were overlooked by the Bureau of Indian Affairs               
(BIA).                                                                         
                                                                               
"Alaska Congressman Don Young has introduced H.R. 2924 into the                
United States Congress in an attempt to rectify this inequity.                 
H.R. 2924 would amend ANCSA to allow these overlooked veterans an              
opportunity to apply for their Native land allotments.  It would               
also restore 50,000 acres to the Elim Native Corporation's land                
entitlement, which was improperly removed by President Hoover                  
through a presidential executive order.                                        
                                                                               
"The resolution simply calls on the Alaska State Legislature to                
support Congressman Young's efforts to right these wrongs."                    
                                                                               
Number 0188                                                                    
                                                                               
MR. STOLWORTHY noted HJR 51 has a zero fiscal note.                            
                                                                               
Number 0218                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIR MASEK informed the committee she has a proposed technical                
amendment that would make the resolution more accurate and reflect             
H.R. 2924.  On page 1, line 2, after "veterans" add the word "era."            
It would then read, "Relating to support for H.R. 2924, which                  
allows certain Alaska Native Vietnam era veterans..."  Chair Masek             
said the same amendment should be made to page 1, line 7.                      
                                                                               
Number 0295                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PETE KOTT moved to adopt those changes as Amendment             
1.  There being no objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                         
                                                                               
Number 0355                                                                    
                                                                               
LAWRENCE SIFSOF testified via teleconference from Dillingham in                
support of HJR 51.  He stated he supports H.R. 2924.  Mr. Sifsof               
explained he is an Alaskan Native and spent two years in the Army              
in 1969 and 1970, and one year in Vietnam.  Mr. Sifsof said 1971               
was the last year Alaska Natives could select 160 acres of land and            
he was in Vietnam at the time of the selection.  He said when many             
Natives returned from Vietnam, all the land that had easy access               
was gone.  Mr. Sifsof informed the committee when he came back from            
Vietnam he had no money.  He continued to discuss the hardship he              
had saving money.  Mr. Sifsof urged that HJR 51 be passed.                     
                                                                               
Number 0578                                                                    
                                                                               
DAN NODEN was next to testify via conference from Dillingham in                
support of HJR 51.  He  informed the committee he is a Vietnam                 
Veteran.  He referred to the 1971 deadline and said he never kept              
too close a track of anything that was important to his future, so             
he didn't stake any land and didn't even think of it until the                 
deadline had passed.  Mr. Noden  pointed out that even if he did               
think of it, he had no transportation to get to parcels of land to             
stake it.  He thanked the committee for listening to him.                      
                                                                               
Number 0692                                                                    
                                                                               
PATRICK CHIKLAK, JR., Realty Department, Bristol Bay Native                    
Association, testified via teleconferece from Dillingham.  He                  
explained his job is to help clients get title to Native                       
allotments.  He stated he believes HJR 51 and H.R. 2924 are good               
bills.  Our veterans were serving the country at the time of the               
land claims.  Mr. Chiklak continued to read excerpts out of the                
United States Code, Section 278 and 279, and said he would like                
similar language added to H.R. 2924.  He discussed lengthening the             
time frame that Veterans would have to reapply.                                
                                                                               
CHAIR MASEK asked Mr. Chiklak to forward the excerpts to her office            
so she can distribute them to the committee members.  She also                 
noted that some of the issues Mr. Chiklak discussed should be                  
addressed at the congressional level.                                          
                                                                               
Number 1080                                                                    
                                                                               
LAURENCE O'NEILL was next to testify via teleconference from                   
Anchorage.  He informed the committee that in 1969 he entered the              
United States Army and was in the Infantry.  He said he served from            
March of 1970, until October of 1971, in Vietnam.  When he was done            
serving in the Army, he came back to Alaska and found out that                 
there was a Native allotment selection and he had missed out.  Mr.             
O'Neill said he notified the BIA, but they told him there was                  
nothing that could be done.  Since that time, everything has been              
on hold.  He pointed out that when he was in Vietnam he gave more              
than 100 percent and was willing to give his life for his country.             
Mr. O'Neill said he would love to see the leaders of our country               
give the same that he had given during the war.  He referred to the            
land he is filing for and said his family has lived on that land               
and it has very traditional and culture values.                                
                                                                               
Number 1215                                                                    
                                                                               
PETER CHRISTOPHER testified via teleconference from New Stuyahok in            
support of HJR 51.  He said he joined the United States Naval                  
Service in September, 1971. and served three and a half years and              
was done in September, 1975.  He said he had no choice in joining              
because his draft number was low.  That was right after he                     
graduated from high school.  He stated that he wasn't in the state             
at the time of Native allotment section.  Mr. Christopher indicated            
he served the country and he shouldn't have such a hard time                   
receiving a Native allotment.  He informed the committee of the                
subsistence sites that his family has used.  He said he is in full             
support of HJR 51.                                                             
                                                                               
Number 1409                                                                    
                                                                               
VERNE N. GOLIA was the next witness to testify via teleconference              
from Dillingham.  He indicated that when the ANCSA was enacted,                
there were people who were serving the country.  They went to a                
foreign country.  He said he served from August of 1966 to August              
of 1967.  When he came back, he really didn't understand what was              
going on.  He had heard about ANCSA, but his mind wasn't right.  He            
urged that the legislation be passed.                                          
                                                                               
Number 1547                                                                    
                                                                               
VICTOR SIFSOF testified via teleconference from Dillingham.  He                
informed the committee members he is the past president of                     
Choggiung, Limited, a Native Corporation in Dillingham.  He stated             
he is currently the Native Hire Coordinator for Bristol Bay                    
Hospital Corporation.  He said he isn't a veteran, but has felt                
very strongly about this issue for years as he had a brother and               
number of friends that went to war.  They didn't have an                       
opportunity to get the land that the rest of the people were                   
getting.  Mr. Sifsof said he strongly supports HJR 51.  He said his            
brother actually used a piece of land for hunting and trapping, and            
when he returned, somebody else had already got the land.  He                  
stated when his brother returned, he was a changed person and it               
took several years for him to start focusing on anything.  He urged            
that the resolution be passed.                                                 
                                                                               
Number 1656                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE JOE RYAN said if you read the congressional record,             
in addition to Congressman Young's testimony, there is testimony               
from Richard Rolland, Deputy Assistant Secretary, Land and Minerals            
Management.  Secretary Rolland addresses the entitlement for the               
Elim Corporation, but says there has been an over selection.                   
Representative Ryan quoted from Mr. Rolland's comments, "Moreover              
the proposed amendment presents a problem in that about 11,440                 
acres of described lands proposed for conveyance to Elim had been              
probably selected by the Native Village Koyuk.  This would leave               
only 38,560 acres for Elim instead of the 50,000 they desire.  The             
proposed amendment is included in H.R. 3157.  It should include                
clear congressional intent and guidance to which (indisc.) receive             
the 11,440 acres and provides that the conveyance is in full                   
satisfaction of Elim's entitlement under Section 19(B)."                       
Representative Ryan asked Chair Masek if she knows if Congressman              
Young has addressed that in his bill or will that be something that            
will have to be revisited.                                                     
                                                                               
Number 1712                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIR MASEK responded that Congressman Young has written her a                 
letter, dated December 17, that the committee members should have              
in their committee file.  The letter states that there will be a               
hearing scheduled, but a date hasn't been set as of yet.  Chair                
Masek said she assumes those issues will be brought up during that             
hearing.  She suggested contacting Congressman Young regarding the             
issue.  She noted it will probably take over a year and a half for             
them to go through the lengthy process of going through ANCSA to               
try and find where the lands will come from.  She indicated she                
would follow-up with Congressman Young regarding that issue.                   
                                                                               
CHAIR MASEK said there were no other witnesses to testify.                     
                                                                               
Number 1763                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE ELDON MULDER made a motion to move CSHJR 51 from                
committee with the accompanying fiscal notes and individual                    
recommendations.                                                               
                                                                               
CHAIR MASEK asked if there was an objection.  There being none,                
CSHJR 51(MLV) moved out of the Special Committee on Military and               
Veterans' Affairs.                                                             
                                                                               
HB 362 - AIRPORT MILITARY LOUNGES                                              
                                                                               
Number 1790                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIR MASEK announced the next order of business would be HB 362               
"An Act relating to the use of space for military lounges in state-            
owned or state-controlled airports," sponsored by the House Special            
Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs.                                   
                                                                               
Number 1820                                                                    
                                                                               
TOM MORGAN, Anchorage Armed Services YMCA, testified via                       
teleconference from Anchorage.  He read the his statement into the             
record:                                                                        
                                                                               
"For more years than anyone knows, the Armed Services YMCA has been            
quietly and competently serving the traveling military through the             
Military Courtesy Lounge now located at Concourse B at Anchorage               
International Airport.  A safe and secure place has been dedicated             
to the Armed Forces at no expense to the state or to the military,             
                                                                               
"Reaching over 22,000 visitors in 1997, quasi booster clubs provide            
the volunteers to staff this lounge 365 days a year meeting the                
needs of domestic and international military members and their                 
families.                                                                      
                                                                               
"Alaska continues to be of strategic importance to the training of             
our military and the defense of the nation.  The military has                  
always been there for us, we should not shift our duties to them.              
The existing statute does not allow the Armed Services YMCA to                 
provide these services without a rental charge.  So that we may                
continue to meet the needs of the traveling military in Alaska, the            
Armed Services YMCA supports HB 362.  This change will allow us to             
continue our work, at the same time authorize the Anchorage                    
International Airport to offer this space rent free.                           
                                                                               
"I might add this arrangement would be consistent with other                   
military lounge operations at airports (indisc.) by the Armed                  
Services YMCA or the USO.  Again, thank you for the opportunity to             
speak today."                                                                  
                                                                               
Number 1900                                                                    
                                                                               
BONNIE DORMAN was next to testify via teleconference from                      
Anchorage.  She stated she has worked in the (indisc.) squadron at             
Elmendorf Air Force Base and has had the pleasure of being a                   
volunteer in the YMCA Lounge at the airport.  She indicated it is              
a benefit because it is nice to be able help people who are                    
traveling.  She is able to direct them to where they need to be or             
what they need to do.  She said that, as a traveler, she has                   
utilized the lounges for leisure.  It is crucial that they are                 
provided with a safe and comfortable environment.  She urged the               
passage of HB 362.                                                             
                                                                               
Number 1941                                                                    
                                                                               
COLONEL SAMUEL JOHNSON, Commander, testified via teleconference                
from Anchorage.  He stated that he would encourage support for HB
362.  He said at least since 1962, when he first came to Alaska,               
the lounge has been supported by the YMCA and a partnership with               
the Anchorage International Airport to provide this invaluable                 
service to our soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen as they travel            
through and from the Anchorage International Airport, both                     
domestically and internationally.  Colonel Johnson stated last year            
more than 23,000 travelers took advantage of this wonderful                    
service.  As our military members and their families travel                    
overseas with extended airport connection times, this lounge                   
provides a much needed service.  It gives our soldiers, airmen and             
sailors a place to rest and care for their families, as well as to             
communicate back to their military units and families via the                  
autobahn system which is a government phone system.  He noted that             
at times he has commanded as many as 2,500 troops on Elmendorf and             
a lot of his people use that invaluable service.  Colonel Johnson              
encouraged support for the legislation.                                        
                                                                               
Number 2006                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked Mr. Morgan and Colonel Johnson to pass             
along to the staff and board members his congratulations on an                 
excellent Salute to the Military the previous Friday evening.                  
                                                                               
Number 2040                                                                    
                                                                               
DENNIS R. POSHARD, Legislative Liaison and Special Assistant,                  
Office of the Commissioner, Department of Transportation and Public            
Facilities, came forward to testify.  He said the committee can see            
in the few sentences in the department's fiscal note that they have            
no opposition to HB 362.  He said he wanted to point out that the              
fiscal note is zero because the department is going to proceed                 
under the assumption that they are not required to bump a current              
tenant.  If there is revenue generating space available and someone            
is willing to pay for that space, the DOT/PF will take the                     
revenues.  He said in every instance where there is space                      
available, the department will make it available, free of charge,              
to the appropriate organization.  Once they're in, the department              
is not going to bump them for someone else.                                    
                                                                               
Number 2094                                                                    
                                                                               
CAROL CARROLL, Director, Administrative Services Division,                     
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs, came before the                   
committee.  She said the department does support HB 362.  It is                
nice to show appreciation to those who do serve our country and one            
of they ways of doing that is to provide a comfortable place while             
they're traveling.                                                             
                                                                               
Number 2121                                                                    
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER thanked Chair Masek for submitting the                   
legislation and said it is a very worthwhile venture.  He noted,               
for the record, that he has a conflict of interest as he is a board            
member of the Armed Services YMCA.  Representative Mulder then made            
a motion to move HB 362 out of committee with individual                       
recommendations and with the accompanying fiscal notes.                        
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN MASEK said his conflict would be noted in the record.  She            
then asked if there was an objection to moving HB 362 out of                   
committee.  There being none, HB 362 moved out of the House Special            
Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs.                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
HJR 51 - SUPPORT H.R. 2924                                                     
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE RICHARD FOSTER referred to HJR 51, which was heard              
earlier during the meeting, and said he has a conflict of interest             
as he is one-quarter Eskimo, was in Vietnam and missed the entire              
selection process.                                                             
                                                                               
CHAIR MASEK indicated that it would be noted in the record.                    
                                                                               
CHAIR MASEK said she also attended the Twenty-First Annual Salute              
to the Military with Representative Mulder.  There were 12 people              
that were recognized and of those 12 people, 7 were women.                     
                                                                               
ADJOURNMENT                                                                    
                                                                               
Number 2222                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIR MASEK adjourned the House Special Committee on Military and              
Veterans' Affairs at 4:50 p.m.                                                 
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