02/24/2025 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE
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| Presentation(s): Informational Hearing on Private Equity in Healthcare | |
| HB23 | |
| HB34 | |
| Presentation(s): Informational Hearing on Private Equity in Healthcare | |
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                         
                       February 24, 2025                                                                                        
                           3:16 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Zack Fields, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Carolyn Hall, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Ashley Carrick                                                                                                   
Representative Robyn Niayuq Burke                                                                                               
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative David Nelson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Andrew Gray                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  INFORMATIONAL HEARING ON PRIVATE EQUITY IN                                                                    
HEALTHCARE                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 23                                                                                                               
"An Act relating to the definition of 'employer' for the                                                                        
purposes of the State Commission for Human Rights."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 34                                                                                                               
"An Act establishing the Alaska Innovation Council; and relating                                                                
to financial disclosures for members of the Alaska Innovation                                                                   
Council."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 23                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: APPLICABILITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) JOSEPHSON                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
01/22/25       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/10/25                                                                               
01/22/25       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/22/25       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
02/19/25       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/19/25       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/19/25       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
02/24/25       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 34                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: AK INNOVATION COUNCIL                                                                                              
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) HOLLAND                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
01/22/25       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/10/25                                                                               
01/22/25       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/22/25       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
01/29/25       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
01/29/25       (H)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
02/10/25       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/10/25       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/10/25       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
02/14/25       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/14/25       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/14/25       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
02/24/25       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
STEVE COMPTON, MD, Cardiac Electrophysiologist                                                                                  
Alaska Heart and Vascular Institute                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Co-offered the Informational Hearing on                                                                  
Private Equity in Healthcare presentation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MARY ANN FOLAND, MD                                                                                                             
Orthopedic Physicians of Anchorage Primary Care                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Co-offered the Informational Hearing on                                                                  
Private Equity in Healthcare presentation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDY JOSEPHSON                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  As prime sponsor, he answered questions                                                                  
during the hearing on HB 23.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN ALPER, Staff                                                                                                                
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
23 on behalf of Representative Josephson, prime sponsor.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ROB CORBISIER, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska State Commission for Human Rights                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
23.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CAMERON EBERSOLD, Staff                                                                                                         
Representative Ky Holland                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Gave an overview of the  summary of changes                                                             
from Version N to Version G  of HB 34 and answered questions from                                                               
committee  members on  behalf  of  Representative Holland,  prime                                                               
sponsor.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH LAGER, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Administrative Services                                                                                             
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
34.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEG CARLSON-COSENTINO, DO                                                                                                       
Alaska Academy of Family Physicians                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Co-offered  the  Informational Hearing  on                                                             
Private Equity in Healthcare presentation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
NICHOLAS PAPACOSTAS, MD                                                                                                         
Emergency Medicine Specialist                                                                                                   
Alaska Chapter, American College of Emergency Physicians                                                                        
JBER, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Co-offered  the  Informational Hearing  on                                                             
Private Equity in Healthcare presentation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:16:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ZACK  FIELDS  called   the  House  Labor  and  Commerce                                                             
Standing   Committee    meeting   to    order   at    3:16   p.m.                                                               
Representatives  Burke, Coulombe,  Carrick, Fields,  Saddler, and                                                               
Hall were present  at the call to order.   Representatives Nelson                                                               
arrived  as  the meeting  was  in  progress.   Also  present  was                                                               
Representative Gray.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):   Informational  Hearing on  Private Equity  in                                                               
Healthcare                                                                                                                      
  PRESENTATION(S):  Informational Hearing on Private Equity in                                                              
                           Healthcare                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
3:16:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS announced that the  first order of business would                                                               
be  the Informational  Hearing on  Private  Equity in  Healthcare                                                               
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:17:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE COMPTON, MD, Cardiac  Electrophysiologist, Alaska Heart and                                                               
Vascular  Institute (AHVI),  began the  Informational Hearing  on                                                               
Private  Equity in  Healthcare presentation  with an  overview of                                                               
his credentials.  He stated that  in the field of cardiology, the                                                               
rate of employment  has increased significantly.   He shared that                                                               
AHVI was approached  by Bain Capital [Private  Equity], a private                                                               
investment  company.   He explained  that  Bain Capital  [Private                                                               
Equity's] success was measured by  profit, not by patient quality                                                               
of care,  survival, outcomes, or  accessible care.   He explained                                                               
that Bain Capital  offered to buy his practice  and identify ways                                                               
to  increase the  profit  margin, then  selling  the practice  to                                                               
another  company.    He  asserted   that  Bain  Capital  was  not                                                               
"constrained by  ethics ... or  quality" and would have  liked to                                                               
change the "entire focus of the practice to profit."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:22:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.   COMPTON   identified   specific  proposals:      increasing                                                               
unnecessary and inappropriate testing;  pushing work to mid-level                                                               
providers; and ignoring survival and  quality metrics.  He stated                                                               
his group  opted out of  the proposition, commenting that  he had                                                               
confidence  [AHVI]  offers patients  the  "best  value for  their                                                               
dollar and the best possible  care."  He provided anecdotes about                                                               
unhappy  colleagues whose  practices were  bought out  by private                                                               
equity firms.   He shared concerns regarding  the recent decision                                                               
to drop  the 80th percentile  rule by the Division  of Insurance,                                                               
resulting in more practices unable to  keep their doors open.  He                                                               
commented that it  was a tenuous time for medicine  in Alaska and                                                               
practices  may  be  compelled  to  accept  private  offers.    He                                                               
concluded  by stating  his  belief that  [private  equity] is  an                                                               
insidious  force and  a medical  system  driven fundamentally  by                                                               
profit does not have the patient's best interest in mind.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:26:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HALL asked if Dr. Compton's experience was common.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:26:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. COMPTOM replied  that 90 percent of  the cardiology practices                                                               
in  the  United States  are  owned  by  private equity  firms  or                                                               
hospital chains.   He  noted that there  is secrecy  when dealing                                                               
with private equity firms.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:27:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FIELDS gave  a personal  anecdote  about his  pediatric                                                               
facility  selling  to  a  private   equity  firm.    Further,  he                                                               
commented  that  an  outside   investor  bought  the  PeaceHealth                                                               
Ketchikan  Medical  Center,  leaving   doctors  without  pay  for                                                               
months.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:27:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked what makes the  field of cardiology                                                               
attractive for business.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:28:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  COMPTON  answered  that  the  reasons  are  political.    He                                                               
provided   an   example   to  answer   the   question   regarding                                                               
echocardiograms.      He   explained  that   imaging,   such   as                                                               
echocardiograms,  generated  profit.    He  stated  that  federal                                                               
regulation  regarding   Medicare  coverage   for  echocardiograms                                                               
changed  approximately  15  years   ago,  where  the  same  study                                                               
[echocardiogram], if  performed in a hospital,  was reimbursed at                                                               
a rate that was six to eight  times higher than if performed in a                                                               
clinic.   As a result,  Dr. Compton stated,  many echocardiograms                                                               
were then performed in hospitals,  and many physicians were hired                                                               
by  hospitals as  smaller  practices closed.    He asserted  that                                                               
doctors are  not businessmen  or politicians.   He  asserted that                                                               
the smaller a practice is, the more vulnerable it is to closure.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:30:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER requested an  explanation of the impact of                                                               
the 80-percent rule.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:30:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. COMPTON explained the differences  between private and public                                                               
insurance.   He  stated  that,  in determining  the  cost to  the                                                               
uninsured or out-of-network  patient, private insurers previously                                                               
utilized  databases   to  determine  prices  that   were  "usual,                                                               
customary,  and  reasonable."    He  explained  that  there  were                                                               
databases   that   would   determine   "usual,   customary,   and                                                               
reasonable"  payments for  a particular  service in  a particular                                                               
community.   Further, he explained that  United Healthcare bought                                                               
the last few  remaining databases in the 1990s  and would proceed                                                               
to fabricate costs without referencing  the databases.  He stated                                                               
that   these  practices   proved  fraudulent   and  that   United                                                               
Healthcare was fined  $400 million for fraudulent  practices.  He                                                               
stated that  Alaska was  facing the  same issues  with insurances                                                               
and  patients were  receiving very  large  balance bills.   As  a                                                               
result, Alaska  devised the 80th percentile  rule, which required                                                               
insurance companies  to pay out-of-network  claims no  lower than                                                               
the  80th percentile  of  the average  charges  for a  particular                                                               
medical service  in a  particular region.   He explained  that on                                                               
January 1, 2024,  the [Alaska] Division of  Insurance removed the                                                               
80th percentile  rule.   He further  explained that  this created                                                               
two  problems:    patients  receiving  large  balance  bills  and                                                               
smaller   practices  shutting   down,   resulting  in   important                                                               
providers leaving the state.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:36:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.   COMPTON  explained   that   the   [Alaska]  State   Medical                                                               
Association (ASMA) is addressing the  80th percentile rule in two                                                               
ways.   He  stated that  a coalition  of providers  in Alaska  is                                                               
suing the [Alaska]  Division of Insurance over  dropping the rule                                                               
"inappropriately."   Further, he  stated that Senator  Giessel is                                                               
introducing legislation to  create "backstops" for out-of-network                                                               
care.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:37:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK   offered  her  understanding   that  the                                                               
removal of the  80th percentile mechanism was  a statutory change                                                               
and further asked whether the  rule should have been done through                                                               
the legislature.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:37:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  COMPTON  confirmed that  it  was  a  statutory change.    He                                                               
explained that  the rule  was consumer  protection issued  by the                                                               
Murkowski Administration  in 2004.   He stated that  the Division                                                               
of Insurance dropped  the 80th percentile rule,  claiming that it                                                               
raised  the  cost  of  healthcare  in  Alaska  and  that  the  No                                                               
Surprises Act  (NSA), a piece  of federal legislation,  took care                                                               
of the issue of balance billing.   He stated that the Division of                                                               
Insurance  used an  inaccurate database  called  FAIR Health  and                                                               
stated that he  provided data refuting their claim.   Further, he                                                               
explained  that  NSA  almost  exclusively  applied  to  emergency                                                               
services  and  further stated  that  the  majority of  care  that                                                               
patients  seek is  not because  of  an emergency  situation.   He                                                               
explained that the  basis of the lawsuit against  the Division of                                                               
Insurance was  that the decision  to drop  the rule was  based on                                                               
inaccurate  information.   He  referenced  Senator Giesel's  bill                                                               
again, noting that it is a  way that the issue is being addressed                                                               
through legislation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:40:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:40 p.m. to 3:42 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:42:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY  ANN FOLAND,  MD, Orthopedic  Physicians of  Anchorage (OPA)                                                               
Primary  Care, co-offered  the Informational  Hearing on  Private                                                               
Equity in Healthcare presentation.   She explained that her group                                                               
was  bought out  by a  private equity  firm.   She said  that all                                                               
companies need a  bottom line, but that OPA  is locally dedicated                                                               
to the  community.   She asserted  that metrics  for out-of-state                                                               
companies are  profit-driven, not  quality-driven.   She asserted                                                               
that it  is difficult  to recruit  doctors in  Anchorage, Alaska.                                                               
She gave  an anecdote about a  friend who moved back  to Orlando,                                                               
[Florida], where  she found  that most  of the  private practices                                                               
had been purchased  and all patients, regardless  of risk status,                                                               
were allotted only ten to fifteen minutes per appointment.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR.  FOLAND  shared her  primary  concern  of physicians  leaving                                                               
Alaska,  making Alaska  a  healthcare desert.    She offered  her                                                               
belief that physician-led  care teams are the best  when it comes                                                               
to quality patient care.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:46:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS invited questions from committee members.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:46:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER requested  data  on the  costs of  hiring                                                               
paraprofessionals versus physicians.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. FOLAND  replied that  she would follow  up with  studies from                                                               
the American Medical Association (AMA) for the committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:48:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 3:48 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:49:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  stated that  the committee  would return  to the                                                               
presentation  and  the  last  invited  testifiers  after  hearing                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
         HB 23-APPLICABILITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:49:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS announced  that the next order  of business would                                                               
be  HOUSE BILL  NO. 23,  "An Act  relating to  the definition  of                                                               
'employer' for  the purposes  of the  State Commission  for Human                                                               
Rights."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:50:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HALL  moved to adopt  the proposed  committee substitute                                                               
(CS) for  HB 23, Version  34-LS0249\I, A. Radford, 2/21/25,  as a                                                               
working document.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:50:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS clarified  the committee was looking at  a CS for                                                               
HB  23,   regarding  the  applicability   of  the   Alaska  State                                                               
Commission for Human Rights (ASCHR).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:50:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDY  JOSEPHSON,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  as                                                               
prime sponsor of HB 23, stated  that the proposed CS would expand                                                               
HB 23.  He gave a summary of  changes from Version A to Version I                                                               
[included  in   the  committee  file],  which   read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     1. Changes the  name of the State  Commission for Human                                                                    
     Rights  to  the  Alaska   State  Commission  for  Civil                                                                    
     Rights. (Sec. 1)                                                                                                           
     2.  Adds  a  requirement  that the  governor  can  only                                                                    
     remove a  commissioner for  cause. Cause  could include                                                                    
     incompetence,   neglect,  misconduct,   or  public   or                                                                    
     private  statements  that  undermine  the  commission's                                                                    
     work. In current law, a commissioner                                                                                       
     can be removed for any reason. (Sec. 2)                                                                                    
     3. Changes  the timing  and method of  the commission's                                                                    
     annual report  to the legislature. Instead  of the week                                                                    
     before convening,  the report would be  due on November                                                                    
     15. Also, the report  could be delivered electronically                                                                    
     instead of requiring paper copies. (Sec. 3)                                                                                
     4.  Adds a  defense against  a discrimination  claim if                                                                    
     the  employer  is  a  religious  organization  and  the                                                                    
     employee is hired for a religious purpose. (Sec. 4)                                                                        
     5.  Changes   the  definition  of  "employer"   in  the                                                                    
     commission's   enabling   statutes   to   include   all                                                                    
     employers  except for  nonprofit  social and  fraternal                                                                    
     organizations.   The   change  broadens   coverage   to                                                                    
     employees of other nonprofit employers. (Sec. 7)                                                                           
     6.  Makes conforming  changes  in  various statutes  to                                                                    
     reflect the  commission's name change in  Sec. 1. (Sec.                                                                    
     5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11).                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:52:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK  questioned   the  change  regarding  the                                                               
timing  and  method of  the  commission's  annual report  to  the                                                               
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:52:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON deferred to staff.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:52:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN  ALPER, Staff,  Representative Andy  Josephson, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  on   behalf  of  Representative   Josephson,  prime                                                               
sponsor  of   HB  23,  responded   that  currently  there   is  a                                                               
requirement for an annual report with  40 paper copies to be made                                                               
available  through the  Legislative Affairs  Agency (LAA)  before                                                               
the convening  of an  annual legislative  session.   He explained                                                               
that  the proposed  CS would  delay the  annual deadline  for the                                                               
report to  November 15, and  it would delete the  requirement for                                                               
physical   copies.      He  noted   that   these   changes   were                                                               
recommendations from ASCHR.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:53:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON,   in  response  to  a   question  from                                                               
Representative  Saddler, stated  he  did not  have objections  to                                                               
making changes  to the  original bill.   He  noted that  there is                                                               
language in  the proposed  CS in Section  4 which  clarifies that                                                               
religious organizations would not  be subject to the jurisdiction                                                               
of the proposed CS for HB 23.   He gave Providence Hospital as an                                                               
example, explaining  that although  it is technically  a Catholic                                                               
hospital,  employees  are  not   hired  to  engage  in  religious                                                               
activities.     He  asserted  that  this   change  was  important                                                               
regarding  both  First  Amendment   rights  and  employee  rights                                                               
against discrimination.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:55:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE  asked  whether the  proposed  CS  would                                                               
change the fiscal note.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:55:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON   deferred  to   Mr.  Corbisier.     He                                                               
suspected that with  the passage of the  legislation, there would                                                               
be more cases for ASCHR.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:55:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROB CORBISIER,  Executive Director,  Alaska State  Commission for                                                               
Human  Rights, answered  that the  proposed  CS for  HB 23  would                                                               
still have a zero fiscal note.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS,  because of subpar audio  during Mr. Corbisier's                                                               
response,  clarified that  he  had  said there  would  be a  zero                                                               
fiscal note and that the only  reason the bill is slotted for the                                                               
House  Finance  Standing  Committee   is  for  increased  receipt                                                               
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:56:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked the reason  for changing the name of                                                               
the commission, from  Alaska State Commission on  Human Rights to                                                               
Alaska State Commission on Civil Rights.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  replied that  the  name  change was  a                                                               
recommendation  from  ASCHR.   He  reported  that ASCHR  receives                                                               
calls from prisoners making human  rights claims that do not fall                                                               
under the jurisdiction of the  commission.  He offered the belief                                                               
that the name change would  better reflect the obligations of the                                                               
commission.   He admitted that  he was a little  hesitant because                                                               
of  the historic  title of  ASCHR  but remarked  that most  other                                                               
states call their entities "civil rights commissions."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  questioned the distinction  between human                                                               
rights  and civil  rights and  further asked  if the  name change                                                               
would change the applicability of ASCHR.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON described  the types  of discrimination                                                               
that are  illegal under  existing human  rights laws  stated that                                                               
[the  proposed CS  for] HB  23 would  not change  anything except                                                               
ASCHR's jurisdiction over non-profits.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:59:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CORBISIER replied  that the  provision  of the  constitution                                                               
that ASCHR enforces is titled  "Civil Rights" and the name change                                                               
would be  more accurately  reflective of the  agency's role.   He                                                               
commented  that the  name  change would  decrease  the number  of                                                               
frivolous calls received from those  wanting ASCHR to take stance                                                               
on human  rights violations in  foreign wars or  on environmental                                                               
causes.  He  reiterated that the proposed CS for  HB 23 would not                                                               
change the  jurisdiction of ASCHR;  instead, he argued,  it would                                                               
be a more encompassing term.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:01:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER noted that  the second change adds removal                                                               
for cause for the commissioner of  ASCHR.  He asked whether other                                                               
boards have  similar provisions for the  removal of commissioners                                                               
and what warranted the proposed change in the CS.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:01:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JOSEPHSON  deferred   to  Mr.   Alper  and   Mr.                                                               
Corbisier.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:01:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  stated he  does not know  which agencies  have removal                                                               
for cause versus at the will  of the governor and would follow up                                                               
with the committee.   He further commented that  his office would                                                               
distribute a memorandum ("memo")  received from Legislative Legal                                                               
Services,  a "quasi-judicial  agency," stating  that ASCHR  could                                                               
legally change  the removal  of the  commissioner to  "for cause"                                                               
due to their regulatory role.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:03:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CORBISIER stated  that he did not know  which commissions had                                                               
provisions  for removal  for cause.   He  explained that  a prior                                                               
commissioner  for  ASCHR essentially  went  missing  for about  a                                                               
year, and  at that time,  there was no  pathway for removal.   He                                                               
explained that as a result,  the commissioners believed that "the                                                               
governor should  have an explicit,  articulated tool to  remove a                                                               
commissioner."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. CORBISIER  speculated that in its  inception, the legislature                                                               
did not  consider that  a commissioner might  need to  be removed                                                               
from their  position.  He  explained that the  commission thought                                                               
removal for cause would maintain the apolitical nature of ASCHR.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:05:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked for  clarification that the governor                                                               
currently has the  right to remove the  [ASCHR] commissioner with                                                               
or without cause.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:06:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CORBISIER  replied that  there is  a statute  that says  if a                                                               
commission does not have an  explicit removal for cause, then the                                                               
removal would  be at will.   He  stated that ASCHR  predates that                                                               
particular  statute and  made  the argument  that  ASCHR was  not                                                               
meant to fall  under that particular statute.   He referenced the                                                               
court case Bradner v. Hammond  and noted that ASCHR commissioners                                                               
are volunteers.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:07:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  maintained his objection to  adopting CS,                                                               
Version I, as the working draft for HB 23.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:08:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote was  taken.  Representatives  Nelson, Coulombe,                                                               
Burke, Carrick, Hall, and Fields voted  in favor of the motion to                                                               
adopt  the  proposed  CS  for  HB  23,  Version  34-LS0249\I,  A.                                                               
Radford,   2/21/25,   Version   I,   as   a   working   document.                                                               
Representatives Saddler  voted against it.   Therefore, Version I                                                               
was before the  House Labor and Commerce Standing  Committee as a                                                               
working document by a vote of 6-1.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS announced that HB 23, Version I, was held over.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS set a tentative amendment deadline for HB 23.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                  HB 34-AK INNOVATION COUNCIL                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:08:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS announced  that the next order  of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL NO. 34,  "An Act establishing the Alaska Innovation                                                               
Council;  and relating  to financial  disclosures for  members of                                                               
the Alaska Innovation Council."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:09:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HALL moved  to adopt the proposed CS for  HB 34, Version                                                               
34-LS0353\G,  Gunther,  2/24/25,  ("Version   G")  as  a  working                                                               
document.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:09:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAMERON EBERSOLD, Staff, Representative  Ky Holland, Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, on behalf of  Representative Holland, prime sponsor,                                                               
explained that the  changes proposed under the proposed  CS to HB
34 incorporate feedback from committee  members from the previous                                                               
two hearings.   He noted that the most substantial  change is the                                                               
reduction of  members of the  proposed Alaska  Innovation Council                                                               
from 19  to 15.   He spoke to one  other change, noting  that the                                                               
council  shall "identify  gaps in  Alaska capital  markets."   He                                                               
stated  that all  of  the specific  changes  were distributed  to                                                               
committee members in  a document, titled "House Bill  34:  Alaska                                                               
Innovation   Council  Explanation   of  Changes"   [available  in                                                               
committee file].                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:10:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS invited questions from committee members.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:10:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE questioned  the  need  for an  organized                                                               
labor group,  citing one  proposed CS  change would  be requiring                                                               
one  member  of  the  council  to have  an  association  with  an                                                               
organized labor group.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:11:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EBERSOLD   responded  that  access  to   skilled  labor  was                                                               
requested by  some committee  members in  previous hearings.   He                                                               
further commented  that skilled labor  is an important part  of a                                                               
growing, thriving economy.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:11:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE  commented  that  the  inclusion  of  an                                                               
organized labor group appeared to be  outside of the scope of the                                                               
original  presentation  for  HB  34.     She  remarked  that  she                                                               
envisioned innovators  that "need help  and resources to  get off                                                               
the ground"  and "the Small Business  Development Center couldn't                                                               
help because this was a step behind."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:12:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS noted  that "in some areas of  economy [there is]                                                               
growing  dispatch through  digital  devices."   He remarked  that                                                               
some  labor organizations  have worked  with companies,  Lyft for                                                               
example,  to  make  benefit  packages  available  to  independent                                                               
contractors.    He stated  that  a  changing labor  market  would                                                               
justify the need for access to benefits and training.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:12:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE  offered   her  understanding  that  the                                                               
purpose of  the proposed council  was to "get  innovators going."                                                               
She asked the  reasoning for a one-year term of  the chair of the                                                               
proposed Alaska Innovation Council.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:13:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EBERSOLD   responded  that  the   term  is  one   year  but,                                                               
theoretically, a chair  may serve up to  three consecutive terms.                                                               
He stated the  purpose of the proposed  Alaska Innovation Council                                                               
would be to  create a series of recommendations.   He offered his                                                               
belief  that the  chair of  the proposed  council would  shepherd                                                               
other members as they move through recommendations.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:14:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NELSON  stated that  he appreciated  the reduction                                                               
of  members.    He  requested  an updated  fiscal  note  for  the                                                               
proposed CS.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. EBERSOLD  replied that  he would follow  up with  the updated                                                               
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:14:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 4:14 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:15:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS requested  an update on the status  of the fiscal                                                               
note for the proposed CS to HB 34.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:15:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH  LAGER,  Director,  Division of  Administrative  Services,                                                               
Department   of  Commerce,   Community  &   Economic  Development                                                               
(DCCED), responded that there is  not yet an updated fiscal note,                                                               
but  that  DCCED would  prepare  one  upon  the adoption  of  the                                                               
proposed CS for HB 34.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NELSON  requested a  ballpark estimate.   He asked                                                               
for   clarification   that   the   original   fiscal   note   was                                                               
approximately $500,000.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. LAGER confirmed  that it was correct.  She  repeated that she                                                               
did  not have  an  updated  fiscal note,  but  expected that  the                                                               
number would be  lower, given the reduction in  members under the                                                               
proposed CS for HB 34.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:15:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK   asked  for  the  positions   that  were                                                               
eliminated under the proposed CS for HB 34.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:16:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. EBERSOLD replied  that the members removed  from the proposed                                                               
council were  the governor or  direct designee,  the commissioner                                                               
of the Department of Revenue  or designee, the executive director                                                               
of the Alaska Permanent Fund  Corporation or designee, one member                                                               
from  the  House of  Representatives,  and  one member  from  the                                                               
Senate.   He stated that  in the original  version of HB  34, the                                                               
House  of Representatives  and  the Senate  each  would have  two                                                               
members in the proposed Alaska Innovation Council.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:17:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  withdrew his  objection to  the motion  to adopt                                                               
the  proposed  CS  for  HB   34,  Version  34-LS0353/G,  Gunther,                                                               
2/24/25,  as  a  working  document.     There  being  no  further                                                               
objection, Version G was before the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:17:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS set an amendment deadline for HB 34, Version G.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:18:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS announced that HB 34, Version G, was held over.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):   Informational  Hearing on  Private Equity  in                                                               
Healthcare                                                                                                                      
  PRESENTATION(S):  Informational Hearing on Private Equity in                                                              
                           Healthcare                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:18:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS announced that the final order of business would                                                                
be a return to the Informational Hearing on Private Equity in                                                                   
Healthcare presentation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:18:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEG CARLSON-COSENTINO,  DO, Alaska Academy of  Family Physicians,                                                               
co-offered  the  Informational  Hearing   on  Private  Equity  in                                                               
Healthcare presentation.  She stated  that she would discuss data                                                               
that  was  distributed to  committee  members  from the  National                                                               
Academy  of Family  Physicians.    She gave  an  overview of  the                                                               
purview  of  family   medicine  in  Alaska.     She  stated  that                                                               
nationwide, many  private practices are closing  and turning into                                                               
"consolidated, corporate  entities."  She  asserted consolidation                                                               
leads to  higher prices for patients,  higher insurance premiums,                                                               
and  a decrease  in quality  care metrics.   She  maintained that                                                               
consolidated  practices tend  to increase  the quantity,  not the                                                               
quality, of  visits and additionally  increase referrals  to more                                                               
lucrative  practices.   She  concluded  by advocating  supporting                                                               
independent practices, asserting that  by staying open, they help                                                               
drive the cost of care down for patients in Alaska.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:21:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS invited questions from committee members.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:21:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE asked  what  role  the state  government                                                               
should play in supporting independent practices.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  CARLSEN-COSENTINO   replied  that   a  lot   of  independent                                                               
practices  have   struggled  with   red  tape  related   to  pre-                                                               
authorizations,  even for  state-based  insurance like  Medicaid,                                                               
and need  to hire  more people  as a  result.   Additionally, she                                                               
advocated disincentivizing corporations.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:22:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  requested Dr. Carlsen-Cosentino to  elaborate on                                                               
how private  equity could maximize  profit at the expense  of the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. CARLSEN-COSENTINO spoke  to the incentive to  referral, or to                                                               
order more  testing, which  brings in  more revenue  and exploits                                                               
the  system.   She asserted  that  this practice  is rewarded  by                                                               
corporate entities,  which only  care about  profit.   She stated                                                               
that  independent practices  tend  to reinvest  money into  their                                                               
community, while  corporate practices do not  reinvest money into                                                               
their community.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:24:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 4:24 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:24:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICHOLAS  PAPACOSTAS, MD,  Emergency Medicine  Specialist, Alaska                                                               
Chapter,  American  College  of Emergency  Physicians  (AK-ACEP),                                                               
concluded  the   Informational  Hearing  on  Private   Equity  in                                                               
Healthcare  presentation.    He  stated that  private  equity  in                                                               
healthcare  is   a  new  phenomenon  currently   experiencing  an                                                               
explosion in  growth since 2010.   He stated that  private equity                                                               
operates differently  from other types of  investment strategies,                                                               
in  that  the  intention  is  to  acquire  a  business,  maximize                                                               
profits, and  then sell the  business within three to  six years.                                                               
He  named some  strategies employed  to raise  revenue, including                                                               
staffing cuts,  decreased investment in new  equipment, postponed                                                               
maintenance on existing equipment,  and cycling through employees                                                               
at a high rate.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. PAPACOSTAS  asserted that private  equity forces are  not yet                                                               
as prominent in  Alaska.  He offered his belief  that the primary                                                               
guardrail  against  private  equity  forces  has  been  favorable                                                               
insurance  reimbursements.   He  stated  that struggling  private                                                               
practices  are  the most  vulnerable  to  buyouts and  that  some                                                               
practices feel that they have no other choice.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:28:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS thanked the invited presenters.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:29:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Labor and  Commerce Standing Committee  meeting was  adjourned at                                                               
[4:29] p.m.