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03/06/2019 03:15 PM LABOR & COMMERCE

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03:18:22 PM Start
03:19:18 PM Confirmation Hearing(s): Marijuana Control Board
05:01:43 PM Adjourn
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Marijuana Control Board
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                         
                         March 6, 2019                                                                                          
                           3:18 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux, Co-Chair                                                                                       
Representative Adam Wool, Co-Chair                                                                                              
Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                      
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
Representative Josh Revak                                                                                                       
Representative Dave Talerico                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Marijuana Control Board                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Vivian Stiver - Fairbanks                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
VIVIAN STIVER, Appointee                                                                                                        
Marijuana Control Board                                                                                                         
Alaska Department of Commerce, Community, & Economic Development                                                                
(DCCED)                                                                                                                         
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the Marijuana                                                                  
Control Board.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON EMMETT, President                                                                                                       
Alaska Marijuana Industry Association (AMIA)                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PAUL DISDIER, General Manager/Co-owner                                                                                          
The Fireweed Factory, LLC                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LACEY HARRIS, Employee                                                                                                          
Green Jar                                                                                                                       
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Offered   comments  on   the  governor's                                                             
appointee to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JO MCGUIRE, Senior Project Manager                                                                                              
TSS, Inc.                                                                                                                       
Colorado Springs, Colorado                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RENEE SCHOFIELD, Owner/CEO                                                                                                      
TSS, Inc.                                                                                                                       
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DAVID LANNING, General Manager                                                                                                  
Arctic Bakery, LLC                                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE CAMPBELL                                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
LISA COATES, Owner                                                                                                              
Urban Extracts                                                                                                                  
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KAREN PERDUE                                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RICK HINKEY                                                                                                                     
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CARY CARRIGAN, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Marijuana Industry Association (AMIA)                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TIM STATON                                                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DOLLYNDA PHELPS, Co-owner                                                                                                       
Peace Frog Botanicals                                                                                                           
Nikiski, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
EMILY NENON                                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
FRANCIS DOUBRAVA, Employee                                                                                                      
Green Valley Enterprises                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE CROOKSHANKS, Future Employee                                                                                          
Peace Frog Botanicals                                                                                                           
Nikiski, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ANN BROWN                                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL BOWIE                                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CALEB SAUNDERS, Co-owner/CEO                                                                                                    
Green Jar                                                                                                                       
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TINA SMITH, Owner                                                                                                               
Midnight Greenery                                                                                                               
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
VANESSA LISTON, Co-owner                                                                                                        
Matanuska Medicine Woman, LLC                                                                                                   
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KATIE GOOD, Employee                                                                                                            
Grateful Bud, LLC                                                                                                               
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DWIGHT HAAK                                                                                                                     
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
NANCY GRAFF                                                                                                                     
North Pole, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHELSEA FOSTER                                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE PIERCE                                                                                                                   
Kasilof, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
AARON RALPH, Owner                                                                                                              
Alaska Cannabis Exchange                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LOUIS WEAVER                                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Offered   comments  on   the  governor's                                                             
appointee to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JIM OSTLIND                                                                                                                     
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ANTHONY OLIVIERI, Employee                                                                                                      
Matanuska Medicine Woman, LLC                                                                                                   
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ZALLMAN LISTON, Co-owner                                                                                                        
Matanuska Medicine Woman, LLC                                                                                                   
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LYNETTE CLARK                                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
VERNON SMITH, Co-owner                                                                                                          
North Road Buds                                                                                                                 
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DENNY HUMPHREY, Owner                                                                                                           
High Tide Distributors                                                                                                          
Nikiski, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PATRICIA PATTERSON, Owner                                                                                                       
High Bush Buds                                                                                                                  
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RYAN TUNSETH, Owner                                                                                                             
East Rip                                                                                                                        
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LYNN SMITH, Co-owner                                                                                                            
North Road Buds                                                                                                                 
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KAREN LOWRY                                                                                                                     
Alaskan Blooms                                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KIM COLE                                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LUKE HOPKINS                                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition  to the appointment                                                             
of Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA BARNES                                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ms. Stiver to the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:18:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  GABRIELLE LEDOUX  called the  House Labor  and Commerce                                                             
Standing   Committee    meeting   to    order   at    3:18   p.m.                                                               
Representatives Hannan, Stutes, Revak,  Talerico, and LeDoux were                                                               
present at  the call to  order.  Representatives Fields  and Wool                                                               
arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S): Marijuana Control Board                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        CONFIRMATION HEARING(S): Marijuana Control Board                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:19:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX announced  that the only order  of business would                                                               
be consideration  of Vivian Stiver,  the governor's  appointee to                                                               
the Marijuana Control Board.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:19:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Missing  audio  from  3:19:51  p.m.   to  3:23:04  p.m.  due  to                                                               
technical difficulties.]                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:23:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VIVIAN  STIVER,   Appointee,  Marijuana  Control   Board,  Alaska                                                               
Department  of   Commerce,  Community,  &   Economic  Development                                                               
(DCCED),  introduced  herself  and highlighted  her  professional                                                               
experience.  She  mentioned that she had previously  been a small                                                               
business owner  and a legislative  aide, as  well as a  member on                                                               
the  Fairbanks City  Council.   She further  stated that  she was                                                               
committed and  dedicated to assisting the  public with navigating                                                               
government  agencies   in  a  manner   that  was   courteous  and                                                               
comprehensible.    She thought  this  was  important because  the                                                               
public needed  to be educated  on marijuana-related issues.   She                                                               
added that she  had not heard any complaints  about the marijuana                                                               
industry  other  than  several  issues  in  Fairbanks  that  were                                                               
readily  taken care  of  through regulation.    She concluded  by                                                               
saying that education  and process were important  issues for the                                                               
Marijuana Control Board (MCB), and  that the addition of a public                                                               
voice would only benefit the board.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:25:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  asked  Ms.  Stiver to  elaborate  on  the                                                               
Fairbanks issues.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  STIVER revealed  that  Frozen  Buds had  an  issue with  the                                                               
product they were making and that  there was an odor issue from a                                                               
cultivator,  which  was  remedied  after  the  city  administered                                                               
several ordinances.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:26:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL inquired  as  to why  the  governor appointed  Ms.                                                               
Stiver to  serve on  the Marijuana  Control Board  (MCB), Alcohol                                                               
and Marijuana  Control Office, Department of  Commerce, Community                                                               
& Economic Development.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. STIVER replied that she requested to be on the board.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  questioned whether  Ms. Stiver's  choice to  be on                                                               
the board  was in  further pursuit of  her outspoken  interest in                                                               
the marijuana industry.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. STIVER  claimed that, although  she did not vote  [for Alaska                                                               
Marijuana Legalization,  Ballot Measure 2 (2014)  (Ballot Measure                                                               
2)] to  legalize marijuana,  her position  was never  against its                                                               
legalization.  She  asserted that, at the time,  she didn't think                                                               
the  city of  Fairbanks was  prepared to  regulate the  marijuana                                                               
industry, as there were no ordinances on the books.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:30:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REVAK  stated that,  if  Ms.  Stiver were  to  be                                                               
appointed, there was concern from  several business owners in his                                                               
community that  they would have "an  enemy on the board"  who may                                                               
be  "out  to   subvert  the  industry  and   the  local  existing                                                               
businesses."  He asked if this would be true.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. STIVER stated that she  had no hidden agenda against business                                                               
owners  in   the  [marijuana]  industry,   adding  that   it  was                                                               
performing and  providing revenue.   The regulation  process, she                                                               
said,  should  serve both  the  public  and  the industry.    She                                                               
maintained  that, if  appointed, she  would purely  be "a  public                                                               
member who  has a  view that  would be  part of  the discussion,"                                                               
adding  that  the  discussion  was   not  "let's  make  marijuana                                                               
illegal.  That's  not the discussion, it's not on  the table, and                                                               
it hasn't been."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:32:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  questioned whether Ms. Stiver  could truly                                                               
be impartial and  not let her personal  objections interfere with                                                               
her  decision   making  on  the   board,  especially   after  she                                                               
participated in a group that was publicly opposed to marijuana.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  STIVER  reiterated  that  her   position  was  never  "never                                                               
marijuana."  Her  position, she said, was that  they should watch                                                               
Colorado  to see  how they  solve  some of  the problems  they've                                                               
encountered.   She maintained  that Fairbanks  was not  ready for                                                               
legalization  when Ballot  Measure  2 passed.   Nonetheless,  she                                                               
claimed  that  she  would  have  no  problem  setting  aside  her                                                               
personal views and representing businesses fairly.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:34:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  asked for  Ms. Stiver's stance  on on-site                                                               
consumption.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  STIVER replied  that on-site  consumption rules  had already                                                               
gone to the  lieutenant governor's office to be  signed into law;                                                               
therefore, her stance was irrelevant.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  noted that  nothing in democracy  was ever                                                               
final, adding  that any issue  could be revisited.   She restated                                                               
her  question to  Ms.  Stiver, asking  if  she supported  on-site                                                               
consumption.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. STIVER  replied that once  the regulations went  into effect,                                                               
she would have a more adequate answer.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:36:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  disclosed that  he was  an alcohol  license holder                                                               
and  must answer  to the  Alcoholic Beverage  Control Board  (ABC                                                               
Board),  Alcohol  and  Marijuana Control  Office,  Department  of                                                               
Commerce, Community  & Economic  Development, adding that,  as an                                                               
industry member, he was happy  that there were two industry seats                                                               
on  that five-person  board.   He pointed  out that  Ms. Stiver's                                                               
seat on the MCB  could be filled by either a  public person or an                                                               
industry member because, at the  boards inception, there were not                                                               
many  industry members.    He  further noted  that  her seat  was                                                               
previously  filled by  an  industry member  and  wondered if  the                                                               
industry would  feel they had  adequate representation  with that                                                               
seat being  filled by  someone from  the public.   Representative                                                               
Wool  concluded by  asking  Ms.  Stiver if  she  thought the  MCB                                                               
should parallel  the ABC  board by having  two industry  seats on                                                               
the five-person board.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:38:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. STIVER opined that the makeup  of the board was determined by                                                               
the  legislature,  adding that  they  already  receive plenty  of                                                               
input from the  industry regardless of how  many industry members                                                               
were on  the board.   She  stated that, as  a public  member, she                                                               
would  listen to  any issues  that people  in the  industry might                                                               
have with regulations that stifle their business.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  asked if Ms.  Stiver had patronized  any marijuana                                                               
businesses since the inception of legalization.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  STIVER  explained that  she  had  toured  a few  stores  and                                                               
received several  offers to visit  cultivators, but that  was the                                                               
extent  of her  interaction.   She asked  Representative Wool  to                                                               
clarify what he meant by "patronize."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  restated his  question, asking  Ms. Stiver  if she                                                               
had ever spent money in a marijuana establishment.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. STIVER replied that she was not a consumer.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:40:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX asked Ms. Stiver how  she would vote if there was                                                               
an initiative to repeal marijuana.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. STIVER claimed that she would not vote for it.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX questioned whether  Ms. Stiver believed marijuana                                                               
was more or less dangerous than alcohol.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. STIVER stated that it depends on the individual.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LEDOUX asked  if  Ms. Stiver  was  responsible for  the                                                               
statement, "It is a  drug, there's no way around it.   It's not a                                                               
glass of  wine, it's not  a shot of  Jack Daniels, it's  way more                                                               
powerful than that."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. STIVER  replied that she did  not know where that  quote came                                                               
from and couldn't recall saying it.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:42:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX opened public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:43:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON EMMETT, President,  Alaska Marijuana Industry Association                                                               
(AMIA), stated that  the MCB served an essential  function in the                                                               
state of Alaska by ensuring  that the marijuana industry operated                                                               
in the interest  of the Alaskan people.  He  explained that while                                                               
establishing public  health and  safety is  an essential  duty of                                                               
the board, it  must also make sure that the  industry is afforded                                                               
the  ability to  create jobs,  enhance commerce,  and combat  the                                                               
black market.   He emphasized the importance of  both experts and                                                               
industry representation on the board,  adding that if a member of                                                               
the public  was appointed, that individual  should be well-versed                                                               
in  both public  and marijuana  policy,  as well  as maintain  an                                                               
objective  view on  the  impact  that marijuana  has  had on  the                                                               
general public.   He further noted  that the makeup of  the board                                                               
should reflect  the attitudes of Alaskans  towards the substance.                                                               
For  those  reasons, Mr.  Emmett  said  he strongly  opposed  Ms.                                                               
Stiver's confirmation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. EMMETT claimed  that Ms. Stiver had cemented  her position in                                                               
the  Fairbanks community  as a  "staunch prohibitionist"  and had                                                               
gone  on  record multiple  times  "to  deride marijuana  and  its                                                               
effects as  a scourge on  our society."   He added that  she also                                                               
spread misinformation  about the  potential for drug  drivers and                                                               
teen  consumption, contrary  to data  provided by  state agencies                                                               
such as the Colorado Department  of Public Health and Environment                                                               
and  the Alaska  Department of  Health and  Social Services.   He                                                               
described Ms. Stivers  participation in a 2017  campaign known as                                                               
Safe  Neighborhoods   Fairbanks,  through  which  she   tried  to                                                               
prohibit  marijuana  commerce  and  convince  the  populous  that                                                               
marijuana was a dangerous drug.   Mr. Emmett said that, since her                                                               
appointment,  Ms. Stiver  has altered  her position,  saying that                                                               
she started  Safe Neighborhoods  Fairbanks to  buy the  city more                                                               
time  to  properly  regulate  the   substance,  not  to  prohibit                                                               
marijuana.  He explained that  the marijuana industry has created                                                               
hundreds   of   jobs   and   generated   much   needed   revenue,                                                               
accomplishments that would not have  been possible had Ms. Stiver                                                               
been  successful  in  her  efforts.    He  then  highlighted  the                                                               
appointee's lack  of knowledge regarding on-site  consumption and                                                               
emphasized  the  need  for  public policy  makers  to  be  highly                                                               
educated  on  the  issues  they  seek  to  tackle.    Mr.  Emmett                                                               
concluded  by saying  that, although  he respected  her right  to                                                               
hold personal  beliefs, Ms.  Stiver has  demonstrated a  bias and                                                               
"lack of  depth" on the  subject matter,  which is why  he deemed                                                               
her unfit to serve on the MCB.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:50:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  asked if Mr.  Emmett had patronized  any marijuana                                                               
businesses since the inception of legalization.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. EMMETT confirmed  that he was a marijuana  consumer and noted                                                               
that he regularly patronized marijuana businesses.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL wondered  if, as  an industry  member, Mr.  Emmett                                                               
would feel more comfortable if the  MCB had two industry seats on                                                               
the five-person board like the ABC board's current makeup.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. EMMETT disclosed  that, until a few days ago,  he held one of                                                               
the industry  seats on  the MCB.   He  acknowledged that  the MCB                                                               
should have two  industry members so that they would  stay in the                                                               
minority while  still having solid representation.   He explained                                                               
that  if  there  was  a  situation where  the  industry  was  not                                                               
represented in  a method that allowed  them to get to  at least a                                                               
3-2  vote that  the industry  could "suffer  death by  a thousand                                                               
cuts."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:51:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES asked  for clarification  on Mr.  Emmett's                                                               
affiliation to the Alaska Marijuana Industry Association (AMIA).                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. EMMETT  stated that he  was president of the  statewide AMIA,                                                               
which represented approximately 50 businesses across the state.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:52:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS inquired as  to the percentage of marijuana                                                               
being sold legally versus illegally.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EMMETT opined  that the  black  market was  alive and  well,                                                               
adding that he was a  member of many pro-marijuana Facebook pages                                                               
where, on any  given day, you could go and  seek out black market                                                               
marijuana.  He  stated that prices for black  market cannabis and                                                               
legal cannabis were  starting to align, which  indicated that the                                                               
legal marijuana industry was starting  to exert downward pressure                                                               
on  the black  market.   Nevertheless,  there was  still a  large                                                               
price  disparity  between  legal concentrates  and  black  market                                                               
concentrates, which was  a presumed effect of  the high marijuana                                                               
tax rates.   Mr. Emmett  pointed out that black  market marijuana                                                               
was cheaper  to process than  legal marijuana, adding  "there's a                                                               
lot of work that  needs to be done."  He  expounded that the only                                                               
way  to truly  combat the  black  market was  through a  "robust,                                                               
legal, regulated industry."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:54:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  asked for clarification  on the initial  makeup of                                                               
the MCB at its inception.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EMMETT explained  that, at  its  inception, the  MCB had  no                                                               
industry  members because  there was  no industry;  however, when                                                               
17.38 [AS  17.38: The Regulation  of Marijuana] was  written, the                                                               
intent  was to  have one  dedicated industry  seat and  one swing                                                               
seat that could be filled by  either an industry member or public                                                               
person.   He added  that once the  industry was  functional, both                                                               
seats were supposed to be filled  by industry members so that the                                                               
MCB mirrored the ABC board.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  asked Mr. Emmett if  he was an original  member of                                                               
the MCB and  if he was classified as industry.   He also inquired                                                               
as to who held  the swing seat at the time  and whether they were                                                               
an industry member.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. EMMETT  replied that, yes,  he was  one of the  original five                                                               
members and that  his seat had been listed as  industry since the                                                               
board's inception.   He noted that the other  industry member was                                                               
Bruce Schulte.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL questioned whether  [Bruce Schulte] was technically                                                               
in the industry at the inception of the MCB.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. EMMETT stated that he was not.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:56:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LEDOUX asked  Mr. Emmett  if he  could recall  when Ms.                                                               
Stiver  made the  statement about  wanting to  reconsider on-site                                                               
consumption regulations.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EMMETT reported  that  it  was in  an  Anchorage Daily  News                                                               
article,  adding  that  he  could find  the  article  online  and                                                               
provide the testimony to the committee should they request it.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:57:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO  asked  if   the  Fairbanks  North  Star                                                               
Borough had any  regulations on the books when  the initiative to                                                               
legalize marijuana passed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. EMMETT  stated that,  when the  initiative passed,  there was                                                               
nothing on  the books for planning  and zoning in the  North Star                                                               
Borough.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:00:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL  DISDIER, General  Manager/Co-owner,  The Fireweed  Factory,                                                               
LLC, emphasized  that he strongly  opposed the nomination  of Ms.                                                               
Stiver  to the  MCB because  of  her lack  of qualifications  and                                                               
well-documented hostility  towards the [marijuana] industry.   He                                                               
claimed that she  was the wrong choice to  replace Brandon Emmett                                                               
on the board and hoped that  the governor would pick someone with                                                               
a more balanced and moderate approach.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:01:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LACEY  HARRIS,  Employee, Green  Jar,  stated  that it  would  be                                                               
unwise  to have  a prohibitionist  appointed to  the MCB,  adding                                                               
that  it  would  misrepresent   Alaskans'  attitude  towards  the                                                               
marijuana industry.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:02:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JO MCGUIRE,  Senior Project  Manager, TSS,  Inc., noted  that she                                                               
was  a national  subject matter  expert  on the  impact of  legal                                                               
marijuana on  the workplace and had  extensive experience helping                                                               
employers  write  their workplace  policies  in  states that  had                                                               
legalized marijuana.  She mentioned  that she met and worked with                                                               
Ms.  Stiver  five years  ago  and  stated  that  she would  be  a                                                               
fantastic,  non-biased addition  to the  MCB in  the interest  of                                                               
public health and safety.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:04:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   WOOL  questioned   whether   Ms.   McGuire  had   ever                                                               
participated in any anti-marijuana campaigns.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MCGUIRE claimed  that her  stance had  always rested  on the                                                               
need  to be  prepared  with established  regulations.   She  said                                                               
that, out of  concern for public health and  safety, there should                                                               
be  an  impairment  test  for  driving  under  the  influence  of                                                               
marijuana, noting that  her background was in  workplace drug and                                                               
alcohol testing.   She  added that the  industry tended  to label                                                               
that as prohibitionism.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL  restated  his  question.  He  asked  whether  Ms.                                                               
McGuire had ever participated in any anti-marijuana campaigns.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MCGUIRE  explained that  she  had  never participated  in  a                                                               
formal  anti-marijuana  campaign,  however,  she  had  spoken  on                                                               
behalf  of  a  variety  of  campaigns  regarding  the  impact  of                                                               
marijuana on the workplace.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL asked Ms. McGuire  to clarify what her fulltime job                                                               
was.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCGUIRE  said that she  worked with TSS, Inc.,  which offered                                                               
workplace  drug  and alcohol  testing.    She further  noted  her                                                               
position as the  founding chairman of the Board  of Directors for                                                               
the National Drug  and Alcohol Screening Association,  as well as                                                               
Jo McGuire  Inc, through which she  spoke on the impact  of legal                                                               
marijuana as a "subject matter expert."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL sought  to clarify  Ms. McGuire's  "day job."   He                                                               
asked if  it [TSS, Inc.]  was a private, for-profit  company that                                                               
tested people on the job for drugs or alcohol.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCGUIRE concurred.  She  described the range of services they                                                               
provide, including  managing companies' drug and  alcohol testing                                                               
programs, as  well as "a variety  of things in the  safety sector                                                               
under  OSHA  [Occupational   Safety  and  Health  Administration]                                                               
requirements."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:06:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES questioned  whether Ms.  McGuire supported                                                               
the legalization of marijuana.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MCGUIRE  replied  that  she  did  not  support  legalization                                                               
because she  believed that  states didn't  know enough  about the                                                               
marijuana industry to regulate it appropriately.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:07:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN inquired as to  the development of drug and                                                               
alcohol tests  that could indicate  the timeframe  of consumption                                                               
prior to testing.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MCGUIRE explained  that there  was currently  lab-based oral                                                               
fluid  that detected  any consumption  that was  done 6-24  hours                                                               
prior to testing.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  asked  if  someone  would  be  considered                                                               
intoxicated  if they  consumed marijuana  24  hours before  being                                                               
tested.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCGUIRE  stated that it  was highly variable and  depended on                                                               
the individual, the product, and how much they consumed.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  questioned if  the test  would be  able to                                                               
tell whether someone was intoxicated or if they just consumed.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.   MCGUIRE  clarified   that  the   test  would   show  recent                                                               
consumption, as there is no current test for impairment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:09:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REVAK  questioned whether  the oral  fluid testing                                                               
was something  that could be done  by a public safety  officer on                                                               
the road or if it required a lab.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCGUIRE  explained that  it was  currently a  lab-based cheek                                                               
swab.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REVAK inquired  as  to the  cost  for oral  fluid                                                               
testing and others like it.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCGUIRE  stated that  the test  cost around  $65 but  that it                                                               
varied.  She  noted that oral fluid was less  invasive than blood                                                               
testing  and  gave   the  most  accurate  read  of   THC  in  the                                                               
bloodstream.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:10:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOOL  asked  Ms.  McGuire if  the  occurrence  of                                                               
people   driving  under   the  influence   had  increased   since                                                               
legalization  or  if  more people  were  just  openly  purchasing                                                               
[marijuana].                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCGUIRE  stated that  impairment had  gone up  and referenced                                                               
several studies done in Colorado  which showed that roughly 55-65                                                               
percent of  admitted marijuana  users drove  within two  hours of                                                               
consuming.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:12:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LEDOUX  asked where  TSS,  Inc.  was headquartered  and                                                               
questioned whether Ms. McGuire was a Juneau resident.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MCGUIRE  explained  that  TSS,  Inc.  was  headquartered  in                                                               
Ketchikan with  an office in  Juneau, adding that she  worked out                                                               
of all the locations, but her residency was in Colorado.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LEDOUX asked  Ms.  McGuire if  she  thought oral  fluid                                                               
testing had the potential to change marijuana policy.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MCGUIRE replied  that employers  needed to  reconsider their                                                               
"zero  tolerance"  mindset  and  get creative  when  it  came  to                                                               
policies  so that  they could  keep people  working.   She stated                                                               
that oral fluid testing "could really change everything."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:15:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RENEE SCHOFIELD,  Owner/CEO, TSS,  Inc., stated  that she  was in                                                               
support of  Ms. Stiver's confirmation  to the MCB because  it was                                                               
time for the public to have a voice.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:16:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  offered his understanding  that there  was already                                                               
one public seat on the board.  He asked if this was true.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHOFIELD  replied that she was  unsure of the makeup  of the                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:17:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID LANNING,  General Manager,  Arctic Bakery,  LLC, emphasized                                                               
that he opposed  the nomination of Ms. Stiver to  the MCB because                                                               
she was  underqualified and lacked knowledge  about the marijuana                                                               
industry.   He  reiterated that  industry members  did not  trust                                                               
her.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:18:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  CAMPBELL stated  that he  was in  support of  Ms. Stiver's                                                               
confirmation to  the MCB because  she would  be a good  voice for                                                               
the public.   He stated that he knew Ms.  Stiver, adding that she                                                               
was well-informed on the topic and  would be able to "work within                                                               
the regulatory and statutory process."   He further described her                                                               
as calm, thoughtful, and someone  who respected the integrity and                                                               
opinion of others.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:19:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA COATES, Owner, Urban Extracts,  emphasized that she strongly                                                               
opposed the nomination  of Ms. Stiver to the MCB  because she led                                                               
the fight  against legalization in  Fairbanks without  taking the                                                               
time to educate herself on the  industry.  She explained that the                                                               
board should  consist of people  who understood the  industry and                                                               
wanted to find a way to  regulate it while keeping it sustainable                                                               
and upholding public safety.   She added that having two industry                                                               
members  helped,  because they  educated  the  other members  and                                                               
brought them  up to speed  on the quickly growing  and constantly                                                               
evolving  marijuana  industry.    She  pointed  out  that  if  an                                                               
industry seat  were to be given  to a public member,  that person                                                               
should be a marijuana consumer.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  PERDUE, former  commissioner of  the Department  of Health                                                               
and Social Services, referenced her  25 years in state government                                                               
and extensive  experience with  regulations and  statutes, noting                                                               
that she  did vote for  the initiative  [Ballot Measure 2].   She                                                               
emphasized the need  for a public member on the  MCB, adding that                                                               
there were  many meetings where  only one  or two members  of the                                                               
public  were  present.   Ms.  Perdue  maintained  that,  although                                                               
"there  are things  that have  been done  very well,"  the public                                                               
still had questions  about how this industry was  developing.  In                                                               
conclusion, she  said she supported  Ms. Stiver, and  offered her                                                               
belief  that the  board  didn't operate  as  transparently as  it                                                               
should in developing regulations.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:22:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK  HINKEY  stated that  he  was  in  support of  Ms.  Stiver's                                                               
confirmation  to the  MCB  because she  would  bring a  different                                                               
perspective to  the board and  represent the public in  an honest                                                               
way.   He emphasized  the need for  a more  balanced perspective,                                                               
better dialogue, and more clarity in the regulations.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:24:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARY  CARRIGAN,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Marijuana  Industry                                                               
Association (AMIA),  stated that  the AMIA was  adamantly opposed                                                               
to the  nomination of "a  prohibitionist like Ms. Stiver"  to the                                                               
MCB.   He pointed out  that Mark  Springer was a  public official                                                               
who  served  as  the  chair  of  the  MCB,  Loren  Jones  was  an                                                               
assemblyman in  Juneau who currently  held the medical  seat, and                                                               
the  public safety  seat  was held  by someone  who  served as  a                                                               
public safety  official; therefore, people who  thought there was                                                               
no  public opinion  available on  the board  were mistaken.   Mr.                                                               
Carrigan opined that the board  was well-balanced when it had two                                                               
industry  seats.   He  concluded by  saying  that appointing  Ms.                                                               
Stiver to the MCB would not  add any more public testimony to the                                                               
board than  it already had.   Everyone is welcome  to participate                                                               
in that process and ask questions telephonically.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:25:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIM  STATON remarked  that  he  was in  support  of Ms.  Stiver's                                                               
appointment to the MCB because she  was fair and just, as well as                                                               
well-educated on  issues related  to marijuana.   He  opined that                                                               
the public needed  to be educated on the industry  and Ms. Stiver                                                               
should be the one to do that.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:26:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOLLYNDA  PHELPS, Co-owner,  Peace Frog  Botanicals, stated  that                                                               
Ms. Stiver  had demonstrated a  biased, lack of knowledge  on the                                                               
subject matter, which  is why she was unfit to  serve on the MCB.                                                               
She added that the board needed more industry representation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:28:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMILY NENON read the MCB's  mission statement, emphasizing "clear                                                               
consistent  standards to  protect  the public  from  harm."   She                                                               
stated that,  after sitting  through hours  of MCB  meetings, she                                                               
had  seen a  lack of  transparent public  process and  a lack  of                                                               
clear consistent standards.   She added that it was  time for the                                                               
public's interest to be represented in that public seat.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:29:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANCIS DOUBRAVA,  Employee, Green Valley Enterprises,  urged the                                                               
committee to  reconsider replacing  a seat  currently held  by an                                                               
industry member with  a "known prohibitionist."   He stated that,                                                               
by  appointing Ms.  Stiver to  the  board, it  would be  unfairly                                                               
stacked  against  the  forward  development  of  the  [marijuana]                                                               
industry.  He  remarked that Ms. Stiver  had already demonstrated                                                               
an unquestionable bias, adding that if  a public person was to be                                                               
placed on  the board, that  person should consume cannabis  or be                                                               
knowledgeable about the marijuana industry.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:30:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE  CROOKSHANKS, Future  Employee, Peace  Frog Botanicals,                                                               
stated that she  was opposed to the appointment of  Ms. Stiver to                                                               
the  MCB, adding  that  Alaska would  be taking  a  step back  by                                                               
appointing a prohibitionist to the board.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:31:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANN BROWN voiced  her support for the confirmation  of Ms. Stiver                                                               
to the  MCB.  She stated  that she had  always known her to  be a                                                               
fair-minded  person  and that  she  had  never heard  Ms.  Stiver                                                               
describe herself as a prohibitionist.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:32:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL BOWIE stated that she  strongly opposed the appointment of                                                               
Ms. Stiver  to the  MCB, not necessarily  because of  her stance,                                                               
but  because  the  board needed  "regulatory  entrepreneurs"  who                                                               
would  support the  industry with  a more  balanced and  moderate                                                               
approach.    She urged  the  committee  members to  continue  the                                                               
search.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:33:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALEB SAUNDERS, Co-owner/CEO, Green  Jar, made an analogy between                                                               
appointing Ms. Stiver to the MCB  and appointing a People for the                                                               
Ethical  Treatment of  Animals (PETA)  advocate to  the Board  of                                                               
Game, Boards  Support Section, Department  of Fish and Game.   He                                                               
explained that he strongly opposed  the appointment of Ms. Stiver                                                               
to the  MCB because having  a dissenting opinion did  not qualify                                                               
her to hold a seat on the board.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:35:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TINA SMITH,  Owner, Midnight Greenery,  stated that she  took the                                                               
appointee on  a tour of  several marijuana-related  businesses in                                                               
Anchorage  and, during  that time,  was  able to  ask Ms.  Stiver                                                               
questions regarding her knowledge of  the industry and her stance                                                               
on legal  marijuana.   She explained  that Ms.  Stiver's response                                                               
demonstrated   a  lack   of  knowledge   on  Alaska's   marijuana                                                               
regulations and that Ms. Stiver had  not spent any time in an MCB                                                               
meeting.  For this reason, she opposed Ms. Stiver's appointment.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:36:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VANESSA   LISTON,  Co-owner,   Matanuska  Medicine   Woman,  LLC,                                                               
explained that she  opposed the appointment of Ms.  Stiver to the                                                               
MCB, referring  to her  inability to  answer a  previous question                                                               
regarding on-site  consumption.  She  opined that members  on the                                                               
board should be transparent so that the industry could progress.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:37:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATIE GOOD, Employee, Grateful Bud,  LLC, stated that she opposed                                                               
the confirmation  of Ms. Stiver to  the MCB, adding that  she was                                                               
confused by Ms.  Stiver's request to serve on the  board based on                                                               
her past actions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:38:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DWIGHT  HAAK   communicated  his   opposition  to   Ms.  Stiver's                                                               
appointment  to the  MCB.   He  explained that  the industry  was                                                               
making it  known that  "we don't  want her."   He  referenced Ms.                                                               
Stiver's  response   to  a  previous  question   about  repealing                                                               
marijuana, adding that he would like her to give a clear answer.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:39:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  GRAFF  voiced her  support  for  the confirmation  of  Ms.                                                               
Stiver to the MCB.  She  stated that Ms. Stiver was a fair-minded                                                               
person who would bring balance to the board.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:40:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHELSEA   FOSTER   voiced   her  opposition   to   Ms.   Stiver's                                                               
confirmation.    She  mentioned the  need  for  another  industry                                                               
member  to hold  a seat  on the  MCB because  there were  already                                                               
three board members who represented the public.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:41:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE  PIERCE stated  that  he opposed  the  appointment of  Ms.                                                               
Stiver to  the MCB  because she  had been  a critic  of marijuana                                                               
businesses  and  would not  fairly  represent  the voice  of  the                                                               
people.   He  referenced an  alleged  Facebook post  made by  Ms.                                                               
Stiver that mentioned her desire  to fight cannabis until she was                                                               
90 years old, adding "that should tell it all."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:42:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AARON RALPH, Owner,  Alaska Cannabis Exchange, noted  that he was                                                               
on the board for the  Anchorage Cannabis Business Association and                                                               
a   national  educator   on   the   endocannabinoid  system   and                                                               
"everything cannabis related."  Mr.  Ralph further stated that he                                                               
strongly  opposed the  confirmation  of Ms.  Stiver  to the  MCB,                                                               
adding that the industry needed  more representation on the board                                                               
"in order for the educative process for them to continue."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:43:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LOUIS WEAVER  mentioned the  need for two  industry seats  on the                                                               
MCB  because there  were  already three  board  members who  were                                                               
representing  the public.   He  pointed  out that  he would  much                                                               
rather have exposure to marijuana  than alcohol in the work place                                                               
and reflected on his experience with the black market in 1963.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:45:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIM  OSTLIND voiced  his support  for Ms.  Stiver because  of the                                                               
need for board members who  would exercise a "healthy skepticism"                                                               
of  the  industry's  claims  regarding   the  benefits  of  their                                                               
products, the  safety of use,  the effectiveness of  untested and                                                               
unproven  medical  products, and  claim  that  marijuana was  not                                                               
addictive.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:46:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANTHONY  OLIVIERI,  Employee,   Matanuska  Medicine  Woman,  LLC,                                                               
opined  that   appointing  Ms.  Stiver   to  the  MCB   would  be                                                               
counterproductive  to the  progression  of  the industry,  adding                                                               
that her  lack of  knowledge on the  subject would  undermine her                                                               
position on the board.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:46:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ZALLMAN LISTON,  Co-owner, Matanuska Medicine Woman,  LLC, stated                                                               
that he  opposed the appointment  of Ms. Stiver  to the MCB.   He                                                               
emphasized the  need for industry  leaders that would  help shape                                                               
the future  of the  industry in the  right direction  rather than                                                               
create more roadblocks and more complications.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:47:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNETTE CLARK reported that she  strongly opposed the appointee's                                                               
confirmation to  the MCB, adding  that Ms. Stiver was  biased and                                                               
had a long history of opposition to the industry.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:49:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VERNON  SMITH, Co-owner,  North  Road Buds,  stated  that he  was                                                               
strongly opposed  to the confirmation  of Ms. Stiver  because the                                                               
industry wanted someone  who would follow through  on promises of                                                               
more jobs,  increased state  and city tax  revenues, and  work to                                                               
eliminate  black  market transactions.    He  added that  if  Ms.                                                               
Stiver was  appointed to  the board,  the opposite  would happen.                                                               
He pointed  out that  nothing is wrong  with appointing  a member                                                               
who would question and challenge  the cannabis industry; however,                                                               
someone  with  personal animosity  and  a  documented history  of                                                               
intentionally  spreading misinformation  to push  her agenda  was                                                               
not the person  for the job.  Mr. Smith  concluded by emphasizing                                                               
that the  board needed someone  who was educated on  the industry                                                               
instead of an "extreme prohibitionist, who she is."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:50:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENNY  HUMPHREY,  Owner,  High   Tide  Distributors,  voiced  his                                                               
concern about  Ms. Stiver's  "staunch prohibitionist  stance" and                                                               
her lack of  knowledge on cannabis and the industry  she would be                                                               
regulating.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:51:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PATRICIA  PATTERSON,  Owner,  High  Bush Buds,  stated  that  she                                                               
opposed the confirmation of Ms.  Stiver because whoever held that                                                               
seat would  be making future  regulations and  future enforcement                                                               
decisions, adding  that Ms.  Stiver has shown  that she  does not                                                               
believe in  the legal marijuana  industry in Alaska which  is why                                                               
she is unfit to serve on the board.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:52:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RYAN  TUNSETH,  Owner, East  Rip,  emphasized  the need  for  the                                                               
makeup of the  MCB to mirror the ABC board,  with two seats going                                                               
to  industry members.   He  pointed out  that Ms.  Stiver was  an                                                               
"active  prohibitionist"  and  an  "outlier" who  should  not  be                                                               
confirmed  because her  judgement was  at risk  of being  "unduly                                                               
influenced by secondary interest."   He noted that Ms. Stiver has                                                               
earned the prohibitionist label from her past actions.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:53:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNN SMITH,  Co-owner, North Road  Buds, opposed  the appointment                                                               
of Ms.  Stiver because she  would be  a setback to  the marijuana                                                               
industry.   She  opined that  Ms. Stiver's  views and  ideologies                                                               
were  not consistent  with the  people  of Alaska  who voted  for                                                               
legalization.     She  pointed  out  that   the  industry  needed                                                               
representation on the MCB.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:54:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN LOWRY, Alaskan Blooms, stated  that the board seat to which                                                               
Ms. Stiver  had been appointed  is a  critical one.   She offered                                                               
her  belief that  it  needed  to be  filled  by  someone who  was                                                               
objective  and  understood  the  regulations  and  the  industry,                                                               
adding  that Ms.  Stiver's position  was prohibition,  which made                                                               
her unfit to serve on the MCB.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:56:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KIM  COLE  stated  that she  opposed  Ms.  Stiver's  confirmation                                                               
because of all the reasons mentioned by previous testifiers.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:56:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LUKE HOPKINS asked  the committee not to  confirm the appointment                                                               
of Ms. Stiver to  the MCB.  He explained that  he decided to call                                                               
in after  listening to her testimony,  adding that in his  past 6                                                               
years' experience as  [former] mayor of the  Fairbanks North Star                                                               
Bureau  he  dealt  with  over   600  individual  appointments  to                                                               
commissions  and  boards  and  he   would  never  have  moved  an                                                               
appointee forward with  such a negative position on  the issue at                                                               
hand.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:58:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA BARNES  stated that Ms. Stiver  would be an asset  to the                                                               
MCB because  she could  navigate her  way around  the legislature                                                               
and was familiar  with laws and regulations.  She  noted that Ms.                                                               
Stiver  would be  a good  representative of  people who  voted in                                                               
favor of legalizing  marijuana but didn't necessarily  want it to                                                               
be an industry.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:59:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX closed public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:00:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 5:00 p.m. to 5:01 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:01:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LEDOUX noted  that the  committee would  hear from  Ms.                                                               
Stiver again on Monday March 11, 2019.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:01:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Labor and  Commerce Standing Committee  meeting was  adjourned at                                                               
[5:02] p.m.