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03/28/2018 03:15 PM LABOR & COMMERCE

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 262 MILITARY SPOUSE COURTESY LICENSE TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
-- Public Testimony --
+= HB 401 INSURANCE; REINSURANCE;VALUATION; CREDITS TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled but Not Heard
-- Public Testimony --
+= SB 15 E-CIGS/TOBACCO/NICOTINE & MINORS; SALES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 379 COMM FISHERMEN'S FUND:VESSEL OWNER CLAIMS TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 379 Out of Committee
+= HB 353 MARITAL & FAMILY THERAPY LIC. & SERVICES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 353(L&C) Out of Committee
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                         
                         March 28, 2018                                                                                         
                           3:18 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sam Kito, Chair                                                                                                  
Representative Adam Wool, Vice Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Colleen Sullivan-Leonard                                                                                         
Representative Chris Birch                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
Representative Gary Knopp                                                                                                       
Representative Mike Chenault (alternate)                                                                                        
Representative Bryce Edgmon (alternate)                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 15(FIN)                                                                                                  
"An Act relating  to possession of an  electronic smoking product                                                               
or a  product containing nicotine  by a  minor and to  selling or                                                               
giving  a product  containing nicotine  or an  electronic smoking                                                               
product to a minor; relating  to business license endorsements to                                                               
sell  cigarettes, cigars,  tobacco, products  containing tobacco,                                                               
electronic  smoking products,  or  products containing  nicotine;                                                               
and  relating  to  citations   for  certain  offenses  concerning                                                               
tobacco,  products  containing  nicotine, or  electronic  smoking                                                               
products."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 379                                                                                                              
"An  Act  relating to  claims  against  protection and  indemnity                                                               
insurance policies of vessel owners."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 379 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 353                                                                                                              
"An  Act  relating  to  the   licensure  of  marital  and  family                                                               
therapists;  relating  to  medical  assistance  for  marital  and                                                               
family  therapists'  services;  and providing  for  an  effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 353(L&C) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 262                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to temporary courtesy licenses for certain                                                                     
nonresident professionals; and relating to the Department of                                                                    
Commerce, Community, and Economic Development."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING CANCELED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 401                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to insurance; relating to credit for                                                                           
reinsurance; insurance standard valuation; and providing for an                                                                 
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  15                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: E-CIGS/TOBACCO/NICOTINE & MINORS; SALES                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) STEVENS                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
01/18/17       (S)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/13/17                                                                               
01/18/17       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/18/17       (S)       L&C, JUD                                                                                               
02/14/17       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/14/17       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/14/17       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
02/21/17       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/21/17       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/21/17       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
02/28/17       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/28/17       (S)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
03/02/17       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/02/17       (S)       Moved  CSSB 15(L&C) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/02/17       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/06/17       (S)       L&C RPT CS  4DP    NEW TITLE                                                                           
03/06/17       (S)       DP: COSTELLO, HUGHES, MEYER, GARDNER                                                                   
03/27/17       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/27/17       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/27/17       (S)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/29/17       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/29/17       (S)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
04/03/17       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
04/03/17       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/03/17       (S)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
04/05/17       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
04/05/17       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/05/17       (S)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
04/07/17       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
04/07/17       (S)       Moved CSSB 15(JUD) Out of Committee                                                                    
04/07/17       (S)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
04/10/17       (S)       JUD RPT CS  3DP 1NR 1AM    NEW TITLE                                                                   
04/10/17       (S)       NR: COGHILL                                                                                            
04/10/17       (S)       DP: WIELECHOWSKI, KELLY, COSTELLO                                                                      
04/10/17       (S)       AM: MEYER                                                                                              
04/10/17       (S)       FIN REFERRAL ADDED AFTER JUD                                                                           
02/16/18       (S)       FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532                                                                      
02/16/18       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/16/18       (S)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
02/28/18       (S)       FIN RPT CS  6DP 1NR    NEW TITLE                                                                       
02/28/18       (S)       DP: HOFFMAN, MACKINNON, BISHOP, VON                                                                    
                         IMHOF, STEVENS, MICCICHE                                                                               
02/28/18       (S)       NR: OLSON                                                                                              
02/28/18       (S)       FIN AT 9:00 AM SENATE FINANCE 532                                                                      
02/28/18       (S)       Moved CSSB 15(FIN) Out of Committee                                                                    
02/28/18       (S)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/08/18       (S)       TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                                     
03/08/18       (S)       VERSION: CSSB 15(FIN)                                                                                  
03/09/18       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/09/18       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
03/21/18       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/21/18       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/23/18       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/23/18       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/28/18       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 379                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: COMM FISHERMEN'S FUND:VESSEL OWNER CLAIMS                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) ORTIZ                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
02/21/18       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/21/18       (H)       FSH, L&C                                                                                               
03/08/18       (H)       FSH AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
03/08/18       (H)       Moved HB 379 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/08/18       (H)       MINUTE(FSH)                                                                                            
03/09/18       (H)       FSH RPT 3DP 1AM                                                                                        
03/09/18       (H)       DP: TARR, KREISS-TOMKINS, STUTES                                                                       
03/09/18       (H)       AM: NEUMAN                                                                                             
03/19/18       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/19/18       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/19/18       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/26/18       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/26/18       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/28/18       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 353                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MARITAL & FAMILY THERAPY LIC. & SERVICES                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) SPOHNHOLZ                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
02/16/18       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/16/18       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
03/05/18       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/05/18       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/05/18       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/23/18       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/23/18       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/28/18       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARY STEVENS                                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced SB 15 as prime sponsor.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TIM LAMKIN, Staff                                                                                                               
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented SB 15 on behalf of Senator                                                                     
Stevens, prime sponsor.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JOE DARNELL, Chief Investigator                                                                                                 
Tobacco Enforcement                                                                                                             
Division of Behavioral Health                                                                                                   
Department of Health and Social Services (DHSS)                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions in the hearing on SB 15.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SARA CLARK, Program Coordinator                                                                                                 
Division of Public Health                                                                                                       
Department of Health and Social Services (DHSS)                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions in the hearing on SB 15.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JAMIE MORGAN                                                                                                                    
American Heart Association                                                                                                      
Sacramento, California                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SB 15.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PATTY OWEN                                                                                                                      
Alaska Public Health Association                                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SB 15.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
TERRENCE ROBBINS                                                                                                                
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SB 15.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ROBIN MINARD, Director                                                                                                          
Public Affairs                                                                                                                  
Mat-Su Health Foundation                                                                                                        
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SB 15.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BETTY MACTAVISH                                                                                                                 
Retired Schoolteacher                                                                                                           
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SB 15.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
EMILY NENON                                                                                                                     
Alaska Government Relations Director                                                                                            
American Cancer Society Action Network                                                                                          
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SB 15.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAN ORTIZ                                                                                                        
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Reintroduced HB 379 as prime sponsor.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLAY BEZENEK                                                                                                                    
Fisherman's Fund Appeals and Advisory Board                                                                                     
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 379.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CAITLYN ELLIS, Staff                                                                                                            
Representative Sam Kito                                                                                                         
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented the changes to HB 353 on behalf                                                                
of Representative Kito and the House Labor and Commerce Standing                                                                
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE IVY SPOHNHOLZ                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as prime sponsor of HB 353.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN WALKER                                                                                                                    
Alaska Association of Marriage and Family Therapists                                                                            
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 353.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:18:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SAM KITO  called  the House  Labor  and Commerce  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting   to  order   at  3:18   p.m.  Representatives                                                               
Sullivan-Leonard, Wool,  Josephson, and Kito were  present at the                                                               
call to order.   Representative Birch arrived as  the meeting was                                                               
in progress.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
         SB 15-E-CIGS/TOBACCO/NICOTINE & MINORS; SALES                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
3:19:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO  announced that the  first order of business  would be                                                               
SENATE  BILL  NO.  15,  "An  Act relating  to  possession  of  an                                                               
electronic smoking product or a  product containing nicotine by a                                                               
minor and to  selling or giving an electronic  smoking product to                                                               
a  minor;  relating  to business  license  endorsements  to  sell                                                               
cigarettes,   cigars,  tobacco,   products  containing   tobacco,                                                               
electronic  smoking products,  or  products containing  nicotine;                                                               
and  relating  to  citations   for  certain  offenses  concerning                                                               
tobacco or nicotine products."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:19:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARY STEVENS, Alaska State  Legislature, introduced SB 15                                                               
as prime sponsor.   He explained the bill was  created to protect                                                               
children from an addiction to nicotine.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:21:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIM   LAMKIN,  Staff,   Senator   Gary   Stevens,  Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature, presented SB 15 on  behalf of Senator Stevens, prime                                                               
sponsor.   He stated  the proposed bill  is aimed  at restricting                                                               
nicotine  products  by age.    He  explained  the smoking  of  e-                                                               
cigarettes can be  referred to as vaping.  He  said public health                                                               
advocacy is winning the war  against tobacco and e-cigarettes are                                                               
more fashionable and  designed to attract a wide  range of users.                                                               
He cited that  there are about four million  users worldwide that                                                               
are school  aged.  He said  there exists a loophole  meaning it's                                                               
not  illegal  to  possess  e-cigarettes. He  added  there  is  no                                                               
provision  for law  enforcement to  take care  of this  issue, so                                                               
they can't  cite vendors.  He  said the health benefits  of these                                                               
products  are  dubious at  best.    He  said  the Food  and  Drug                                                               
Administration (FDA)  has approved  the known chemicals  as being                                                               
safe for  ingestion, but no  as an inhalant.   He said  the long-                                                               
term effects are still being studied.   He said the proposed bill                                                               
would treat them in the same  manner as tobacco products. He gave                                                               
examples of some Juneau, Alaska, businesses that sell e-                                                                        
cigarette products.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMKIN  listed some of  the arguments against  regulating the                                                               
products.   He  remarked the  FDA does  limited enforcement.   He                                                               
said the  penalties are "little more  than a slap on  the wrist."                                                               
He said the paperwork is not  onerous.  He said the argument that                                                               
the products  help smokers  quit smoking.   He said  those people                                                               
are not  the target of the  bill.  He stated  another argument is                                                               
that the  products are  not tobacco and  therefore should  not be                                                               
regulated as  such.  He added  there are few requirements  on the                                                               
labelling  of the  products.   He  mentioned  studies found  some                                                               
traces of nicotine in the products.   He said another argument is                                                               
that "everyone  wants to keep  these out  of minors' hands."   He                                                               
stated it should not be an issue for those wishing to do so.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:33:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH asked  whether e-cigarettes are periodically                                                               
prescribed as a medical device for smoking cessation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMKIN answered  that  to  his knowledge,  the  FDA has  not                                                               
declared e-cigarettes a drug delivery device.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  asked whether  the device  can be  used for                                                               
marijuana consumption.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMKIN answered  that depending on the  product, some devices                                                               
can be made to contain THC.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:36:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL  pointed to  the designation  of 18  years of                                                               
age as minor.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMKIN  answered the  proposed  bill  would not  change  the                                                               
statutory age restrictions on tobacco products.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked about the  penalty for possession of an                                                               
e-cigarette or a tobacco product for a minor.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMKIN answered  that currently it is a violation  with a $50                                                               
fee.  He  added that it's not  enforced often.  He  said the bill                                                               
is targeted at vendors.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:39:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO  said there  is a  committee substitute  which updates                                                               
the effective date.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:39:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL  moved to adopt  CS to  SB 15 as  the working                                                               
document.  There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:40:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE  DARNELL, Chief  Investigator, Tobacco  Enforcement, Division                                                               
of Behavioral  Health, answered  questions in  the hearing  on SB                                                               
15.  He spoke  to a survey to see what the sale  rate was used 16                                                               
-17 years old  had a state wide  sell rate of 26  percent of vape                                                               
products to minors.   The same year showed a  5.4 rate of selling                                                               
tobacco  to minors.     He  said use  was  "exploding across  the                                                               
state."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:43:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SULLIVAN-LEONARD asked  about data  regarding the                                                               
health risk in vaping.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:46:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARA  CLARK,  Program  Coordinator, Division  of  Public  Health,                                                               
Department  of  Health  and   Social  Services  (DHSS),  answered                                                               
questions in  the hearing  on SB  15.  She  said health  risks of                                                               
nicotine include addiction and harmful  effects on the adolescent                                                               
brain.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMKIN  informed  that  e-cigarettes  contain  a  series  of                                                               
chemicals  for which  studies are  still being  carried out.   He                                                               
listed some chemicals and their effects when inhaled.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:49:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  spoke to an  article on vaping which  shows that                                                               
vaping can  lead to  the presence  of toxic  chemicals associated                                                               
with higher cancer  rates.  He added there is  a threat of cancer                                                               
that is  not present  when there  is no use  of cigarettes  or e-                                                               
cigarettes.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked about  the motivation behind the higher                                                               
age limit for purchase.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JOE DARNELL answered there has been  a national push to raise the                                                               
tobacco purchase age to 21.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BIRCH  asked  about the  effects  of  second-hand                                                               
vaping.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMKIN answered that the information was still emerging.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:53:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO opened public testimony on SB 15.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:53:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMIE MORGAN,  American Heart  Association, testified  in support                                                               
of SB 15.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:54:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PATTY  OWEN,  Alaska  Public  Health  Association,  testified  in                                                               
support  of SB  15. She  said the  organization was  supporting a                                                               
minimum age  of 21 for tobacco  purchase, including e-cigarettes.                                                               
She said  studies predict that  raising the age to  21 nationwide                                                               
would result in fewer deaths from lung cancer.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked  about the legal argument  to raise the                                                               
age to 21.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. OWENS  said she can't speak  to the legal aspects.   She said                                                               
95 percent of adult smokers begin smoking before age 21.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KITO commented  that he  remembers some  discussion around                                                               
raising  the  drinking  age  from  19  to  21  and  part  of  the                                                               
discussion  centered around  creating  a  barrier between  school                                                               
aged kids and adults.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:58:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TERRENCE ROBBINS testified  in support of SB 15.   He stated that                                                               
in Ketchikan, Alaska,  the use of e-cigarettes is  double that of                                                               
cigarettes. He said he think  the proposed bill would help reduce                                                               
the number of kids that start smoking  to begin with.   He shared                                                               
a study that listed 10  cancer-causing chemicals that were in the                                                               
urine of e-cigarette users that were  not present in the urine of                                                               
nonsmokers and  non-e-cigarette users.   He reported  young users                                                               
were getting  their tobacco  products from an  older friend.   He                                                               
suggested  raising the  age to  21 would  reduce the  probability                                                               
that younger users get access to the products.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:03:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBIN   MINARD,   Director,   Public   Affairs,   Mat-Su   Health                                                               
Foundation,  testified in  support of  SB  15. She  cited a  2015                                                               
study by  the National Institute  of Health which found  that 9th                                                               
graders that  use e-cigarettes are  3 times more likely  to smoke                                                               
cigarettes.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked Ms. Minard  whether she thinks there is                                                               
any value  in the cessation aspect  of e-cigarettes.  He  gave an                                                               
example of friend who had used them to quit smoking.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MINARD answered  that  e-cigarettes are  not  Food and  Drug                                                               
Administration (FDA) approved as a cessation device.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:05:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BETTY MACTAVISH,  Retired Schoolteacher, testified in  support of                                                               
SB 15.   She said many  of the devices  are so small they  can be                                                               
hidden  in  coats.  She  indicated students  are  using  them  in                                                               
bathrooms, halls,  and parking  lots of  schools. She  added some                                                               
students are dual users, using  both cigarettes and e-cigarettes,                                                               
while  some  who   would  never  use  cigarettes   are  using  e-                                                               
cigarettes.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:08:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMILY  NENON,  Alaska  Government  Relations  Director,  American                                                               
Cancer Society  Action Network,  testified in  support of  SB 15.                                                               
She  clarified  that  the  proposed bill  was  aimed  at  vendors                                                               
selling  to minors.     She  explained the  difference between  a                                                               
vaper  and  aerosol.   The  aerosol  has  been found  to  contain                                                               
ultrafine particles  that can  be inhaled  deeply into  the lungs                                                               
including heavy metals and carcinogens.   She added that nicotine                                                               
is  a psychoactive  neurotoxin and  there  are clear  established                                                               
health harms  to the adolescent brain.   She said sales  rates of                                                               
tobacco  used to  be 30  percent, and  now 35.7  percent of  vape                                                               
shops are  selling to youth.   She indicated that  penalties have                                                               
brought sale rates for tobacco down significantly.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked  whether it is currently  legal to sell                                                               
the products to minors.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  NENON answered  legislation  had been  passed  that did  not                                                               
include e-cigarettes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL  reiterated that  selling nicotine  to people                                                               
under  19 is  currently against  the  law and  the proposed  bill                                                               
states that selling the delivery device is what is penalized.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. NENON stated  that it is a technical question.   She said the                                                               
proposed bill is  about the penalties to the vendors  who sell to                                                               
minors.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:13:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO held over SB 15.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        HB 379-COMM FISHERMEN'S FUND:VESSEL OWNER CLAIMS                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:14:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.   379,  "An  Act  relating   to  claims  against                                                               
protection and indemnity insurance policies of vessel owners."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:14:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAN ORTIZ,  Alaska State Legislature, reintroduced                                                               
HB 379  as prime sponsor.   He explained the proposed  bill would                                                               
allow owners  of commercial vessels  to deduct up to  100 percent                                                               
of their deductible to incentivize  vessel owners to purchase P&I                                                               
insurance.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:15:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLAY  BEZENEK,  Fisherman's  Fund  Appeals  and  Advisory  Board,                                                               
testified in support of HB 379.   He said the proposed bill would                                                               
incentivize vessel owners to carry insurance for their crew.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:17:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO closed public testimony on HB 379.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:17:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL moved to report  HB 379 out of committee with                                                               
individual  recommendations and  the  accompanying fiscal  notes.                                                               
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:18:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 4:18 p.m. to 4:21 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        HB 353-MARITAL & FAMILY THERAPY LIC. & SERVICES                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
4:21:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 353, "An Act  relating to the licensure of marital                                                               
and  family  therapists;  relating   to  medical  assistance  for                                                               
marital  and family  therapists' services;  and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:21:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL moved to adopt the  CS to HB 253 as a working                                                               
document.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:21:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAITLYN  ELLIS,  Staff,  Representative Sam  Kito,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, presented the  changes from Version A  to Version O.                                                               
She  indicated the  changes  simplify  the bill.    She said  the                                                               
language regarding total hours has  been clarified to 1,700 total                                                               
hours.  She said in Section 2  a provision has been deleted.  She                                                               
said the  previous Sections 4 and  5 had been removed.   She said                                                               
SB 169 would address the details therein.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:23:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  asked Representative  Spohnholz whether                                                               
she is comfortable with the proposed CS.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:23:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE IVY SPOHNHOLZ,  Alaska State Legislature, answered                                                               
that the changes  had been made in collaboration  with her office                                                               
and she was comfortable with them.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL asked about total number of hours required.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SPOHNHOLZ  stated  it   was  always  1,700  hours                                                               
required and  the CS  cleaned up  in the  language to  state that                                                               
additional 200 hours were a subset of the 1,700 hours.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  asked  about the  companion  piece  of                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ answered that SB  169 has to do with the                                                               
supervision of professional counselors aspect of the bill.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:25:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO removed his objection to  adopting the CS as a working                                                               
document.  There being no other objection, it was so ordered.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:25:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO said public testimony on  HB 353 was still open from a                                                               
previous hearing.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:26:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  WALKER,   Alaska  Association   of  Marriage   and  Family                                                               
Therapists, testified  in support of  HB 353.   He stated  he has                                                               
had  "a  hard time"  finding  a  supervisor  who could  help  him                                                               
acquire the  required number of  supervised hours.  He  stated he                                                               
had to  go to Anchorage, Alaska,  to find a supervisor.   He said                                                               
broadening  the amount  of  people who  could  act as  supervisor                                                               
would be helpful.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  asked Mr.  Walker to define  supervision in                                                               
the context of the proposed bill.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALKER explained  he was  able to  go to  the office  of the                                                               
supervisor. He said he knows of  people that did a mixed style of                                                               
supervision where  they met in  person and  via video as  long as                                                               
the meeting is not recorded.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:30:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KITO closed public testimony on HB 353.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:30:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL moved to report HB 353 out of committee with                                                                
individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                   
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:31:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Labor and Commerce Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at                                                                  
4:31 p.m.                                                                                                                       

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB353 DBH and Board letters supporting CS 3.22.18.pdf HL&C 3/28/2018 3:15:00 PM
HB 353
HB353 Letters of Support 3.27.18.pdf HL&C 3/28/2018 3:15:00 PM
HB 353
HB379 Support Letter 3.19.18.pdf HL&C 3/28/2018 3:15:00 PM
HB 379
HB379 Support Letter 3.19.18.pdf HL&C 3/28/2018 3:15:00 PM
HB 379