Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/25/1993 03:00 PM L&C

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                    HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE                                   
                       STANDING COMMITTEE                                      
                         March 25, 1993                                        
                            3:00 p.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Rep. Bill Hudson, Chairman                                                   
  Rep. Joe Green, Vice Chairman                                                
  Rep. Brian Porter                                                            
  Rep. Eldon Mulder                                                            
  Rep. Bill Williams                                                           
  Rep. Jerry Mackie                                                            
  Rep. Joe Sitton                                                              
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  None                                                                         
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  *HB 96:   "An Act extending the termination date of the                      
            Alcoholic Beverage Control Board."                                 
                                                                               
            MOVED FROM COMMITTEE                                               
                                                                               
  *HB 139:  "An Act establishing a loan guarantee and interest                 
            rate subsidy program for assistive technology."                    
                                                                               
            MOVED FROM COMMITTEE                                               
                                                                               
  *HB 190:  "An Act relating to grants awarded by the Alaska                   
            Science and Technology Foundation."                                
                                                                               
            MOVED FROM COMMITTEE                                               
                                                                               
  *SB 53:   "An Act relating to payment for abortions under                    
            Medicaid and general relief medical assistance;                    
            annulling changes made by certain regulations                      
            adopted by the Department of Health and Social                     
            Services relating to funding of abortion services                  
            under the general relief medical program."                         
                                                                               
            MOVED FROM COMMITTEE                                               
                                                                               
  (* First public hearing.)                                                    
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  REP. JERRY SANDERS                                                           
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                   
  465-4945                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Prime Sponsor of HB 96                                  
                                                                               
  DAN LABROUSE                                                                 
  Deaf Community Services                                                      
  1405 Cowan Street                                                            
  Fairbanks, Alaska  99501                                                     
  456-5913                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Testified in support of HB 139                          
                                                                               
  PAULA SMITH, Facilities Coordinator                                          
  Division of Vocational Rehabilitation                                        
  Department of Education                                                      
  801 West 10th                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  465-2814                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 139                                        
                                                                               
  MARY VOLLENDORF, Staff                                                       
  Rep. Terry Martin                                                            
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                   
  465-3783                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Read sponsor statement on HB 190                        
                                                                               
  MICHAEL DAVIS                                                                
  Southeast Alaska Independent Living                                          
  8800 Glacier Highway, 236                                                    
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  789-9665                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 139                                        
                                                                               
  REP. JOHN DAVIES                                                             
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                   
  465-4457                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Prime Sponsor of HB 139                                 
                                                                               
  TOM TORVIE                                                                   
  ACCESS Alaska                                                                
  P.O. Box 83951                                                               
  Fairbanks, Alaska  99501                                                     
  474-8436                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 139                                        
                                                                               
  JOHN SIBERT, Executive Director                                              
  Alaska Science and Technology Foundation                                     
  550 W. 7th Ave.                                                              
  Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                     
  272-4333                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Presented statement on HB 190                           
                       and answered questions                                  
                                                                               
  TED DEATS                                                                    
  P.O. Box 87                                                                  
  Juneau, Alaska  99802                                                        
  463-3262                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  RITA COX                                                                     
  825 B St.                                                                    
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  463-3160                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported SB 53                                         
                                                                               
  BILL BURK                                                                    
  P.O. BOX 240742                                                              
  Douglas, Alaska  99824                                                       
  780-6019                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported SB 53                                         
                                                                               
  JOHN MONAGLE                                                                 
  P.O. BOX 210527                                                              
  Auke Bay, Alaska  99821                                                      
  789-5910                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  SID HEIDERSDORF                                                              
  P.O. Box 020658                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska  99802                                                        
  789-9858                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  KATHY DENNIS                                                                 
  P.O. Box 020533                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  463-3546                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  CHRISTINA KAY SMITH                                                          
  2865 Mendenhall Loop Rd., D-12                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99802                                                        
  789-9324                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  MICHAEL CROAN                                                                
  4435 Columbia Blvd.                                                          
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  789-2695                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  HAROLD NEVERS                                                                
  8148 Pinewood Drive                                                          
  Juneau, Alaska  99802                                                        
  789-9853                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  SHERRIE GOLL                                                                 
  Alaska Women's Lobby                                                         
  P.O. Box 22156                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99802                                                        
  463-6744                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported SB 53                                         
                                                                               
  RICHARD SHUTT                                                                
  P.O. Box 34941                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99803                                                        
  789-1823                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  KEN MATTSON                                                                  
  1125 Slim Williams Way                                                       
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  789-5224                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  ROBIN STEVENS                                                                
  P.O. Box 33637                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  463-5131                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  DALE ANDERSON                                                                
  9040 Glacier Highway                                                         
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  790-3253                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  JULIE WARD                                                                   
  9225 Gee St.                                                                 
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  789-2711                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  KATHY POLK                                                                   
  P.O. Box 020196                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  463-4846                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported SB 53                                         
                                                                               
  AL JUDSON                                                                    
  No address or phone number given                                             
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  IDA BARNUCK                                                                  
  Alaskans for Life, Inc.                                                      
  P.O. Box 32186                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99803-2186                                                   
  Position Statement:  Opposed to SB 53                                        
                                                                               
  GREG MIDDAY                                                                  
  643 Sunset Drive North                                                       
  Ketchikan, Alaska  99901                                                     
  225-2290                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported SB 53                                         
                                                                               
  JUDY JENKINSON, Vice-Chair                                                   
  Democratic Party of Ketchikan                                                
  P.O. Box 5342                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska  99901                                                     
  225-5839                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported SB 53                                         
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB  96                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: EXTEND ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL BOARD                           
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) SANDERS,Green                                  
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act extending the termination date of the                         
  Alcoholic Beverage Control Board."                                           
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  01/29/93       177    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/29/93       177    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, FINANCE                        
  02/03/93       224    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): GREEN                              
  03/18/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
  03/25/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 139                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY LOAN GUARANTEES                            
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) DAVIES,Brice,Brown,B.Davis,                    
  Grussendorf,James,Larson,Nordlund,Sitton,Ulmer,Menard,Hudson                 
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act establishing a loan guarantee and interest                    
  rate subsidy program for assistive technology."                              
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  02/08/93       254    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  02/08/93       254    (H)   LABOR &COMMERCE, HES, JUDICIARY,                 
                              FINANCE                                          
  03/25/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 190                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: AK SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY FOUNDATION GRANTS                       
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) MARTIN                                         
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to grants awarded by the Alaska                      
  Science and Technology Foundation."                                          
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  03/01/93       493    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/01/93       493    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, HES                            
  03/25/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
                                                                               
  BILL:  SB  53                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: ANNULLING ABORTION FUNDING REGULATIONS                          
  BILL VERSION: CSSB 53(FIN) AM(EFD FLD)                                       
  SPONSOR(S): HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES                              
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to payment for abortions under                       
  Medicaid and general relief medical assistance; annulling                    
  changes made by certain regulations adopted by the                           
  Department of Health and Social Services relating to funding                 
  of abortion services under the general relief medical                        
  program."                                                                    
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  01/22/93       122    (S)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/22/93       122    (S)   HES, JUD, FINANCE                                
  01/27/93              (S)   HES AT 01:30 PM BUTROVICH ROOM                   
                              205                                              
  01/27/93              (S)   MINUTE(HES)                                      
  01/29/93       187    (S)   HES RPT  4DP 1NR 1DNP                            
  01/29/93       187    (S)   FISCAL NOTES PUBLISHED (DHSS-5)                  
  02/10/93              (S)   JUD AT 01:30 PM BELTZ ROOM 211                   
  02/10/93              (S)   MINUTE(JUD)                                      
  02/24/93              (S)   JUD AT 01:30 PM BELTZ ROOM 211                   
  02/24/93              (S)   MINUTE(JUD)                                      
  02/25/93       481    (S)   JUD RPT  1DP  2DP W/AM  2DNP                     
  02/25/93       481    (S)   PREVIOUS FNS (DHSS-5)                            
  02/25/93       487    (S)   FIN WAIVED PUBLIC HEARING                        
                              NOTICE,RULE 23                                   
  02/26/93       499    (S)   FIN RPT  CS  4DP 2DNP                            
                              NEW TITLE                                        
  02/26/93       499    (S)   PREVIOUS FNS APPLY TO CS                         
                              (DHSS-5)                                         
  02/26/93              (S)   FIN AT 09:00 AM SENATE FINANCE                   
                              ROOM  518                                        
  02/26/93              (S)   MINUTE(FIN)                                      
  02/26/93              (S)   RLS AT 01:15 PM FAHRENKAMP ROOM                  
                              203                                              
  02/26/93              (S)   MINUTE(RLS)                                      
  03/02/93       575    (S)   MOTION TO CALENDAR 3/3/93 FLD Y8                 
                              N11 E1                                           
  03/03/93       589    (S)   RULES RPT 2/CALENDAR 1/OTHER REC                 
                              3/3/93                                           
  03/03/93       590    (S)   READ THE SECOND TIME                             
  03/03/93       591    (S)   FIN  CS ADOPTED Y13 N5 E1 A1                     
  03/03/93       592    (S)   AM NO  1     ADOPTED Y11 N8 E1                   
  03/03/93       592    (S)   ADVANCE TO 3RD RDG FAILED Y13                    
                              N6 E1                                            
  03/03/93       592    (S)   THIRD READING 3/5 CALENDAR                       
  03/05/93       634    (S)   READ THE THIRD TIME  CSSB
                              53(FIN) AM                                       
  03/05/93       635    (S)   PASSED Y12 N6 E2                                 
  03/05/93       635    (S)   EFFECTIVE DATE FAILED Y12 N6 E2                  
  03/05/93       635    (S)   Duncan  NOTICE OF                                
                              RECONSIDERATION                                  
  03/08/93       658    (S)   RECON TAKEN UP - IN THIRD                        
                              READING                                          
  03/08/93       659    (S)   PLACED AT BOTTOM OF CALENDAR                     
                              UNAN CONS                                        
  03/08/93       672    (S)   PASSED ON RECONSIDERATION Y13                    
                              N6 E1                                            
  03/08/93       672    (S)   EFFECTIVE DATE FAILED Y13 N6 E1                  
  03/08/93       677    (S)   TRANSMITTED TO (H)                               
  03/10/93       582    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/10/93       582    (H)   L&C, HES, JUDICIARY, FINANCE                     
  03/23/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
  03/25/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-24, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 001                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON called the meeting to order at 3:20 p.m.,                    
  March 25, 1993.  Members present were Reps. Hudson, Green,                   
  Porter, Williams, Mulder, Mackie and Sitton.                                 
  HB 96 - EXTENSION OF THE ABC BOARD                                           
                                                                               
  REP. JERRY SANDERS, PRIME SPONSOR OF HB 96, read a sponsor                   
  statement.  Rep. Sanders stated that the purpose of HB 96 is                 
  to extend the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board from June 30,                 
  1994, (when it currently sunsets) to June 30, 1998.                          
                                                                               
  Number 049                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. SITTON moved for passage of HB 96 with a zero fiscal                    
  note and asked unanimous consent.  No objections were heard;                 
  it was so ordered.                                                           
  Number 057                                                                   
                                                                               
  HB 139 - ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY LOAN GUARANTEES                                
                                                                               
  REP. JOHN DAVIES, PRIME SPONSOR OF HB 139, read a sponsor                    
  statement.  Rep. Davies  explained that HB 139 is a "jobs                    
  bill" that will help people experiencing disabilities                        
  improve their ability to get and keep a job or live                          
  independently.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 124                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON inquired if the $100,000.00 referenced in                    
  the bill was available now.                                                  
                                                                               
  REP. DAVIES answered that it was.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 141                                                                   
                                                                               
  DAN LABROUSE, DEAF COMMUNITY SERVICES, testified via                         
  teleconference in support of HB 139.  Mr. LaBrouse stated                    
  that in his experience assistive technology would be of                      
  benefit to many Alaskans.  Mr. Labrouse noted that assistive                 
  technology would be helpful in providing the means for some                  
  people to lead a more productive life, including the                         
  opportunity for more meaningful jobs.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 168                                                                   
                                                                               
  TOM TORVIE, ACCESS ALASKA, testified via teleconference in                   
  support of HB 139.  Mr. Torvie echoed the comments of Mr.                    
  LaBrouse.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 229                                                                   
                                                                               
  PAULA SMITH, VOCATIONAL REHABILITATION, testified in favor                   
  of HB 139.  Ms. Smith noted that the Department of Education                 
  supports this bill.  It would meet an identified need by a                   
  group of individuals in the State of Alaska which is not now                 
  being addressed.  It is recommended that the mechanics of                    
  the loan guarantee and interest subsidies be clarified.                      
  Other than student loans by the Commission on Post Secondary                 
  Education, the Department is not in the loan business, and                   
  does not have the infrastructure to support significant                      
  responsibilities in this area.  This would best be handled                   
  by banking institutions.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 270                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER asked if the state would in effect be the co-                    
  signer of a loan provided.                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. SMITH responded that it would and noted that the program                 
  would guarantee 90 percent of a loan from another                            
  institution.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Discussion ensued as to the mechanics of the loan program.                   
                                                                               
  Number 346                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER moved to delete "and" on page 2, line 16, and                    
  renumber accordingly.                                                        
                                                                               
  REP. GREEN moved to add a friendly amendment to Rep.                         
  Mulder's amendment.  No objections were noted; it was so                     
  ordered.                                                                     
                                                                               
  REP. GREEN asked what collateral would be asked for.                         
                                                                               
  MS. SMITH replied that the program would require collateral.                 
                                                                               
  REP. DAVIES added that all of the loans would go through the                 
  standard banking scrutiny.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 462                                                                   
                                                                               
  MICHAEL DAVIS, SOUTHEAST ALASKA INDEPENDENT LIVING,                          
  testified in support of the bill and listed three primary                    
  reasons:                                                                     
                                                                               
  1) He has seen many people who couldn't otherwise get the                    
  assistance needed to purchase the assistive technology.                      
                                                                               
  2) The bill allows for the parents of persons needing this                   
  technology to obtain it for their children.                                  
                                                                               
  3) It allows disabled citizens the dignity to apply for                      
  loans themselves.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 510                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. DAVIES noted that the banking industry is supportive of                 
  the program.                                                                 
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER moved for passage of CSHB 139(L&C) with a zero                   
  fiscal note.  No objections were heard; it was so ordered.                   
  Number 559                                                                   
                                                                               
  HB 190 - ALASKA SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY FOUNDATION GRANTS                     
                                                                               
  MARY VOLLENDORF, STAFFER, REP. MARTIN'S OFFICE, read a                       
  sponsor statement and answered questions on HB 190.  Ms.                     
  Vollendorf stated that the purpose of HB 190 is to clarify                   
  existing statutes by adding the word "university" to AS                      
  37.17090(h).  Rep. Martin believes the university would                      
  receive a preference they are not currently benefiting from.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 575                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER noted that he visited with the chairman of the                   
  Science and Technology Foundation and was informed that the                  
  bill was not needed.  Rep. Mulder asked for further                          
  clarification.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 580                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. VOLLENDORF reiterated the reasoning in the sponsor                       
  statement.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 595                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. SITTON noted that the current definition is broad                       
  enough to include the university.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 617                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN SIBERT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ALASKA SCIENCE AND                          
  TECHNOLOGY FOUNDATION, testified that he understood the                      
  reason for the legislation, but he didn't feel it was                        
  necessary.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 652                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON asked if there was any harm in the                           
  legislation.  He also asked if the foundation funded any                     
  programs or projects outside of Alaska.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 668                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. SIBERT replied that he didn't see any harm in the                        
  legislation, and on very few occasions has the foundation                    
  funded programs or projects from outside the state.                          
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-24, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 012                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. SIBERT went into some detail as to the types of research                 
  the foundation funds.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 066                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER moved for passage of HB 190 with a zero fiscal                   
  note and asked unanimous consent.                                            
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE objected, noting that he had asked that this                     
  bill be assigned to a subcommittee.                                          
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON called for a roll call vote.                                 
                                                                               
  HUDSON         YES                                                           
  GREEN          YES                                                           
  WILLIAMS       YES                                                           
  MULDER         YES                                                           
  PORTER         NO                                                            
  SITTON         NO                                                            
  MACKIE         NO                                                            
                                                                               
  HB 190 was moved out of committee.                                           
  SB 53 - ANNULLING ABORTION REGULATIONS                                       
                                                                               
  Number 173                                                                   
                                                                               
  TED DEATS, representing himself and his family, testified                    
  against the bill.  Mr. Deats stated that these children                      
  should be allowed to live and take their rightful place as                   
  Alaskan citizens.  Mr. Deats also handed out replicas of the                 
  feet of a 10 week old fetus.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 203                                                                   
                                                                               
  RITA COX, representing the AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF                           
  UNIVERSITY WOMEN (AAUW), read a position paper by Marcia                     
  Lynn McKenzie, Chair, Campaign for Choice.  Ms. Cox stated                   
  the American  Association of University Women support's a                    
  woman's right to self determination in her reproductive                      
  life.  The AAUW therefore, urges prompt passage of CSSB
  53(fin)am(efd fld) which will annul the recent amendments to                 
  regulations which determine the availability of General                      
  Relief Medical Assistance funding of abortion services.                      
                                                                               
  MS. COX noted that she was also representing herself and                     
  spoke in favor of the bill.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 285                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. TERRY MARTIN testified against the bill.  Rep. Martin                   
  said that he was adamantly opposed to abortion in any way                    
  shape or form.  He noted that his own mother gave him up and                 
  he would be eternally grateful she let him live.  Rep.                       
  Martin noted that SB 53 leaves the door wide open for any                    
  and all abortions with no parental consent and funds could                   
  be used for gender selection.  He further noted that there                   
  are no provisions for the pregnant woman to be informed of                   
  the extent of the medical procedure.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 340                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MARTIN expressed his great concern that the fiscal                      
  notes prepared note a savings if the unborn children are                     
  aborted.  Rep. Martin asked where this logic would end up if                 
  we started using a concept of "Life devoid of value."  He                    
  asked if our senior citizens be next.  Rep. Martin also                      
  questioned who would make these determinations.                              
                                                                               
  Number 475                                                                   
                                                                               
  BILL BURK, representing himself, testified in support of                     
  SB 53 and strongly urged passage.  Mr. Burk also pointed out                 
  that this country was founded upon the separation of church                  
  and state, freedom of choice, and one's individual rights.                   
                                                                               
  MR. BURK pointed out that there are several religions in our                 
  world that believe that a child's life does not begin until                  
  the mother gives birth.                                                      
  MR. BURK noted that he has worked as a social worker for                     
  many years, and as such, has seen the results of unwanted                    
  pregnancies.  The beatings, child abuse, both physical and                   
  mental, are devastating.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 520                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN MONAGLE, representing himself and his family, strongly                  
  opposed SB 53.  Mr. Monagle stated that Rep. Martin was his                  
  hero.  Mr. Monagle specifically opposed the state being in                   
  the position of killing children.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 532                                                                   
                                                                               
  SID HEIDERSDORF, representing himself, provided some                         
  statistics  from Alaskans for Life on the petitions and                      
  testimony given during the regulation process.  Mr.                          
  Heidersdorf noted that the results were significantly                        
  different than those previously published by the League of                   
  Women Voters.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 550                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. HEIDERSDORF stated that their results showed that 58.5                   
  percent of the submissions were pro-life and 41.0 percent                    
  were pro-choice.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 560                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. HEIDERSDORF noted that he believes abortion advocates                    
  discuss the issue of abortion without bringing in the aspect                 
  of the child and he compared that to discussing slavery                      
  without talking about slaves.                                                
                                                                               
  MR. HEIDERSDORF questioned why the state would take the                      
  position of not fully informing women concerning abortion if                 
  they are going to pay for this elective surgery.                             
                                                                               
  Number 655                                                                   
                                                                               
  KATHY DENNIS stated that she was once pro-choice, but now                    
  she is pro-life.  Ms. Dennis said that she is alarmed at the                 
  increasing level of abortions in the Native community.                       
                                                                               
  MS. DENNIS testified that she was faced with the decision of                 
  abortion versus life and chose life eight years earlier and                  
  now she has a fine son sitting in the committee room.                        
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-25, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 024                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHRISTINA KAY SMITH testified against SB 53 and read a                       
  written statement.  Ms. Smith noted that there is much done                  
  regarding the rights of women recently but nothing is said                   
  about the rights of men.  Ms. Smith stated that she believes                 
  that saying yes to a woman's right to choose we are saying                   
  no to a man's right to speak up for his own unborn child.                    
                                                                               
  MS. SMITH added that this issue is not just about money its                  
  about home, marriage, sons and daughters and the future of                   
  the State of Alaska.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 270                                                                   
                                                                               
  MICHAEL CROAN, representing himself and his family, spoke                    
  against SB 53.  Mr. Croan believed that the legislature has                  
  the moral responsibility to legislate morals as they have                    
  been doing since the day the country began.                                  
                                                                               
  MR. CROAN added that having an abortion is a lifelong hurt.                  
                                                                               
  MR. CROAN also stated that there is a separation of church                   
  and state, but there isn't one between morality and state.                   
                                                                               
  Number 400                                                                   
                                                                               
  HAROLD NEVERS, representing himself, spoke against the bill.                 
  Mr. Nevers stated that everyone should be responsible for                    
  their actions and if a person makes a mistake and gets                       
  pregnant at an inconvenient time, then they have to suffer                   
  the consequences.                                                            
                                                                               
  MR. NEVERS added that parents should be informed of their                    
  children's pregnancies.                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 437                                                                   
                                                                               
  SHERRIE GOLL, representing the ALASKA WOMEN'S LOBBY,                         
  testified in favor of the SB 53.  She stated that there is                   
  nothing in the bill that expands eligibility as previously                   
  stated.  Ms. Goll added that the bill does not make abortion                 
  funding a priority over general relief medical funding.                      
                                                                               
  MS. GOLL testified that abortions have been provided for                     
  poor women in this state since before statehood without                      
  restriction.                                                                 
                                                                               
  MS. GOLL pointed out that several pro-choice groups have                     
  sued the state over these regulations.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 477                                                                   
                                                                               
  ROBIN STEVENS, represented self, testified against SB 53.                    
  He believed that the state should not be in the business of                  
  funding abortions, and if the state has extra money it                       
  should be spent funding crisis pregnancy centers.                            
                                                                               
  MR. STEVENS also believed pro-choice starts before sex.                      
                                                                               
  Number 515                                                                   
                                                                               
  RICHARD SHUTT, representing himself and his family,                          
  testified against the bill.  He believed this bill would                     
  fund the taking of human life.                                               
                                                                               
  MR. SHUTT observed that the pro-choice argument of being                     
  poor was a bad one as growing up poor is not the worst thing                 
  in the world.  He added that being wanted was not a                          
  guarantee of a good life with good parents, just as being                    
  born as a result of an unplanned pregnancy was not a                         
  sentence of child abuse.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 570                                                                   
                                                                               
  KEN MATTSON, representing himself, testified against SB 53.                  
  He believed it was not right to take the life of a child                     
  simply because it was an inconvenience.  Mr. Mattson asked                   
  the committee to at least amend the bill if they must pass                   
  it out to give some parental and spousal rights.                             
                                                                               
  Number 667                                                                   
  DALE ANDERSON, representing himself and his family,                          
  testified against SB 53.  Mr. Anderson read a statement                      
  outlining his position.  Mr. Anderson stated that he stands                  
  adamantly opposed to SB 53 which obliterates the efforts                     
  made by Governor Hickel to stop utilizing state dollars to                   
  fund abortions.                                                              
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-25, SIDE B                                                           
                                                                               
  JULIE WARD, representing herself and husband, testified                      
  against SB 53.  Ms. Ward echoed the statements above.                        
                                                                               
  Number 234                                                                   
                                                                               
  KATHY POLK, represented herself, testified against SB 53.                    
  Ms. Polk read a statement into the record.  Ms. Polk  stated                 
  that the code of ethics this country was built upon protects                 
  the unborn as well as the born.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 402                                                                   
                                                                               
  AL JUDSON, representing himself, testified against SB 53 and                 
  reiterated the above testimony.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 447                                                                   
                                                                               
  IDA BARNUCK, ALASKANS FOR LIFE, INC., testified against SB
  53 and read a statement into the record.  Ms. Barnuck stated                 
  that the primary goal of her organization is the respect for                 
  human life and believes that innocent human life must be                     
  protected by government.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 500                                                                   
                                                                               
  GREG MIDDAY, representing himself, testified in support of                   
  SB 53.  Mr. Midday echoed the statements given earlier in                    
  support of the bill.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 550                                                                   
                                                                               
  JUDY JENKINSON, representing herself, testified in support                   
  of SB 53 and reiterated the statements given in support.                     
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-26, SIDE A                                                           
                                                                               
  REP. GREEN asked if the committee would hold the bill for a                  
  week to allow him time to prepare an amendment regarding                     
  parental and spousal rights.                                                 
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON said that the bill would go next to the                      
  Health, Education and Social Services Committee, where it                    
  could be amended.                                                            
                                                                               
  REP. WILLIAMS moved for passage of SB 53 with fiscal notes                   
  and asked unanimous consent.  There was objection.                           
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken, with results as follows:                         
                                                                               
  MULDER     NO         WILLIAMS   YES                                         
  GREEN      NO         PORTER     YES                                         
                        SITTON     YES                                         
                        MACKIE     YES                                         
                        HUDSON     YES                                         
                                                                               
  SB 53 was moved from the committee.                                          
  CHAIR HUDSON adjourned the meeting at 6:40 p.m.                              

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