Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/11/1993 03:00 PM L&C

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                    HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE                                   
                       STANDING COMMITTEE                                      
                         March 11, 1993                                        
                            3:00 p.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Rep. Bill Hudson, Chairman                                                   
  Rep. Joe Green, Vice Chairman                                                
  Rep. Brian Porter                                                            
  Rep. Eldon Mulder                                                            
  Rep. Bill Williams                                                           
  Rep. Jerry Mackie                                                            
  Rep. Joe Sitton                                                              
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  None                                                                         
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  SJR 27:   Relating to United States Coast Guard commercial                   
            fishing vessel safety regulations.                                 
                                                                               
            MOVED FROM COMMITTEE                                               
                                                                               
  *HB 54:   "An Act relating to eavesdropping, telephone                       
            caller identification, and telephone directory                     
            listings and solicitations."                                       
                                                                               
            HEARD AND HELD IN COMMITTEE                                        
                                                                               
  *HB 164:  "An Act relating to motor vehicle dealers and to                   
            agents for motor vehicle buyers; and providing for                 
            an effective date."                                                
                                                                               
            MOVED FROM COMMITTEE                                               
                                                                               
  *HB 126:  "An Act relating to payment of prevailing wage                     
            rates on public construction projects."                            
                                                                               
            MOVED FROM COMMITTEE                                               
                                                                               
  *HB 203:  "An Act imposing a fee for the administration of                   
            the workers' compensation program; and providing                   
            for an effective date."                                            
                                                                               
            HEARD AND HELD IN COMMITTEE                                        
                                                                               
  (* First public hearing.)                                                    
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  REP. KAY BROWN                                                               
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182                                                    
  465-4998                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Prime Sponsor of HB 54                                  
                                                                               
  MELLIE TERWILLIGER                                                           
  P.O. Box 206                                                                 
  Tok, Alaska 99780                                                            
  883-5351                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Testified on HB 54                                      
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  MARIANNE KERR                                                                
  P.O. Box 210033                                                              
  Anchorage, Alaska  99521                                                     
  349-5665                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Testified in support of HB 54                           
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  TOM ROY                                                                      
  Alaska Telephone Association                                                 
  3305 Arctic, #103                                                            
  Anchorage, Alaska  99803                                                     
  563-4000                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Testified in opposition to HB 54                        
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  CATHY SCHINDLER                                                              
  Program Director                                                             
  Abused Women's Aid in Crisis (AWAKE)                                         
  2635 LaTouche                                                                
  Anchorage, Alaska 99508                                                      
  279-9581                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Testified in support of HB 54                           
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
                                                                               
  CINDY SMITH                                                                  
  Executive Director                                                           
  Alaska Network on Domestic Violence                                          
  419 6th Street, #116                                                         
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  586-3650                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Testified in support of HB 54                           
                                                                               
  MARCIA McKENZIE                                                              
  Program Coordinator                                                          
  Alaska Council on Domestic Violence                                          
  Department of Public Safety                                                  
  P.O. Box 111200                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska  99811-1200                                                   
  465-4356                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Testified in support of HB 54                           
                                                                               
  REP. GAIL PHILLIPS                                                           
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                   
  465-2689                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Prime Sponsor of HB 164 and HB 126                      
                                                                               
  STEVE ALLWINE                                                                
  Alaska Automobile Dealers                                                    
  Mendenhall Auto Center                                                       
  8725 Mallard Drive                                                           
  Juneau, Alaska  99802                                                        
  789-1386                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 164                                        
                                                                               
  BILL WARD                                                                    
  Ward Landscaping Service                                                     
  P.O. Box 290                                                                 
  Soldotna, Alaska 99669                                                       
  262-5135                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 126                                        
                       (Spoke via teleconference)                              
  JOHN ABSHIRE                                                                 
  Deputy Commissioner                                                          
  Department of Labor                                                          
  P.O. Box 21149                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99802-1149                                                   
  465-2700                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 126                                        
                                                                               
  PAUL ARNOLDT, Director                                                       
  Division of Workers' Compensation                                            
  Department of Labor                                                          
  P.O. Box 25512                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99802-5512                                                   
  465-2790                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 203                                        
                                                                               
  DAVID TEAL, Director                                                         
  Division of Administrative Services                                          
  Department of Labor                                                          
  P.O. Box 21149                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99802-1149                                                   
  465-2720                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Answered questions on HB 203 and HB 164                 
                                                                               
  JAY FRANK, Lobbyist                                                          
  Clough and Associates                                                        
  431 N. Franklin, Suite 202                                                   
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  586-5777                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Answered questions on HB 203                            
                                                                               
  JOHN GEORGE                                                                  
  Lobbyist, Insurance Industry                                                 
  9515 Moraine Way                                                             
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
  789-0172                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Answered questions on HB 203                            
                                                                               
  DAVID PALMER, Director                                                       
  Engineering and Transportation                                               
  City and Borough of Juneau                                                   
  155 S. Seward Street                                                         
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  586-5230                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 126                                        
                                                                               
  RESA JERREL, Lobbyist                                                        
  National Federation Independent Business                                     
  9179 Skywood                                                                 
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  789-4278                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 203                                        
                                                                               
  LOREN RASMUSSEN                                                              
  Chief, Design, Construction Standards                                        
  Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                           
  3132 Channel Drive                                                           
  Juneau, Alaska  99801-7898                                                   
  465-2960                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Answered questions re: HB 126                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
                                                                               
  BILL:  SJR 27                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: FEDERAL FISHING VESSEL SAFETY RULES                             
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): SENATOR(S)JACKO,Halford,Taylor,Miller,                           
  Zharoff,Duncan,Pearce,Leman;REPRESENTATIVE(S)Olberg,                         
  Sanders, Sitton,Mackie,Moses,Hanley,Ulmer                                    
                                                                               
  TITLE: Relating to United States Coast Guard commercial                      
  fishing vessel safety regulations.                                           
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  03/05/93       615    (S)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/05/93       615    (S)   RULES                                            
  03/05/93       636    (S)   RLS WAIVED RULE 23                               
  03/05/93       657    (S)   RLS RPT  2DP & CAL 1CAL 1NR                      
  03/05/93       657    (S)   ZERO FISCAL NOTE (RLS)                           
  03/05/93              (S)   RLS AT 00:00 AM FAHRENKAMP 203                   
  03/05/93              (S)   MINUTE(RLS)                                      
  03/08/93       657    (S)   RULES TO CALENDAR  3/8/93                        
  03/08/93       670    (S)   READ THE SECOND TIME                             
  03/08/93       670    (S)   ADVANCED TO THIRD READING UNAN                   
                              CONSENT                                          
  03/08/93       670    (S)   READ THE THIRD TIME  SJR 27                      
  03/08/93       670    (S)   COSPONSOR(S):  PEARCE, LEMAN                     
  03/08/93       670    (S)   PASSED Y17 N2 E1                                 
  03/08/93       677    (S)   TRANSMITTED TO (H)                               
  03/09/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
  03/10/93       581    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/10/93       581    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE                                 
  03/10/93       594    (H)   WAIVER FROM LABOR & COMMERCE                     
                              WITHDRAWN                                        
  03/10/93       596    (H)   CROSS SPONSOR(S): OLBERG,                        
                              SANDERS,SITTON                                   
  03/10/93       596    (H)   CROSS SPONSOR(S):MACKIE,MOSES,                   
                              HANLEY                                           
  03/10/93       596    (H)   CROSS SPONSOR(S): ULMER                          
  03/11/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB  54                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: TELEPHONE CONSUMER PROTECTION                                   
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) BROWN,Navarre                                  
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to eavesdropping, telephone caller                   
  identification, and telephone directory listings and                         
  solicitations."                                                              
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  01/14/93        60    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/14/93        60    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, JUDICIARY,                     
                              FINANCE                                          
  03/11/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 164                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: MOTOR VEHICLE DEALERS & BUYERS' AGENTS                          
  BILL VERSION: SSHB 164                                                       
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) PHILLIPS                                       
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to motor vehicle dealers and to                      
  agents for motor vehicle buyers; and providing for an                        
  effective date."                                                             
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  02/18/93       380    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  02/18/93       381    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, JUDICIARY                      
  03/05/93       548    (H)   SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE                               
                              INTRODUCED-REFERRALS                             
  03/05/93       548    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, JUDICIARY                      
  03/11/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 126                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION PREVAILING WAGE RATES                       
  BILL VERSION: SSHB 126                                                       
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) PHILLIPS,G.Davis                               
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act establishing the current prevailing rate of                   
  wages issued at least 10 days before the final submission of                 
  bids as the prevailing wage rate for public construction                     
  projects and requiring periodic adjustment of the wage                       
  rate."                                                                       
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  02/05/93       234    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  02/05/93       234    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, FINANCE                        
  02/22/93       410    (H)   SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE INTRODUCED-                   
                              NEW TITLE                                        
  02/22/93       410    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, FINANCE                        
  03/11/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 203                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FOR WORKERS' COMP.                           
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): LABOR & COMMERCE                                                 
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act imposing a fee for the administration of the                  
  workers'compensation program; and providing for an effective                 
  date."                                                                       
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  03/05/93       552    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/05/93       552    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, FINANCE                        
  03/11/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-20, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON called the House Labor and Commerce                          
  Committee to order at 3:07 p.m.                                              
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON outlined the schedule for the day.                           
  SJR 27:  FEDERAL FISHING VESSEL SAFETY RULES                                 
                                                                               
  Number 060                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON brought up SJR 27 and explained that this                    
  bill was the companion bill to HJR 33 passed out of the                      
  Labor and Commerce Committee previously.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 075                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER moved for passage of SJR 27 with a zero fiscal                   
  note and unanimous consent.  No objections were heard, it                    
  was so ordered.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 100                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. KAY BROWN testified as PRIME SPONSOR of HB 54.  Rep.                    
  Brown explained that the bill was introduced to address                      
  privacy issues due to the advances of technology.                            
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN further explained that the bill would protect                     
  Alaskan's individual privacy rights in two important areas:                  
                                                                               
  - it would provide caller identification "line blocking"                     
  services without charge to telephone utility customers; and                  
                                                                               
  - it would require telephone utilities to offer customers an                 
  opportunity to avoid telemarketing solicitations.                            
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN added that additions and amendments to Alaska                     
  statutes provided by this legislation would make it clear                    
  that a citizen's right to individual privacy included the                    
  right to be protected from unethical, abusive, or annoying                   
  misuse of telephones and monitoring and recording equipment.                 
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN suggested that Section 2 of SJR 27 be deleted as                  
  the more information in opposition to this particular                        
  section comes in.  This section concerns eavesdropping.                      
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN then outlined the sectional analysis.  (The                       
  sectional analysis is on file in the committee room.)                        
                                                                               
  Number 281                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER asked Rep. Brown if she would comment on the                     
  criticism brought up in the Securities Industry Association                  
  letter dated March 5, 1993, which stated, "The FCC further                   
  noted that, ultimately, this option combines the                             
  disadvantages of maximum cost to all participants with                       
  minimal potential effectiveness, and therefore is not a                      
  suitable means of accomplishing the goals of the Telephone                   
  Consumer Protection Act."                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 302                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN responded that the congressional author of the                    
  bill, as well as consumer groups, were not happy with the                    
  way the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) implemented                  
  the bill.  She further noted that the bill provided that the                 
  person choosing the options pays them.                                       
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN explained that the telemarketers are saying that                  
  it is too much of a problem to keep up with the updated                      
  information regarding who does not wish to be called and who                 
  can.                                                                         
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN suggested that it would actually be a benefit to                  
  the telemarketers to know who wanted to be called and who                    
  didn't.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 333                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER asked how often the list would be updated.                       
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN responded the list would be noted in the                          
  telephone book that comes out once or twice a year.                          
                                                                               
  Number 358                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER asked how many states offer this service, how                    
  much it costs, and how much it would cost here.                              
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN suggested that there were other people who would                  
  be testifying on the subject who may have that information.                  
                                                                               
  Number 390                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER raised the concern that under the exceptions for                 
  telephone solicitation the language would allow for                          
  telemarketers to simply open up the conversation with a                      
  couple of questions and circumvent the intent of the law.                    
                                                                               
  Number 395                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN answered that she believes the language used as                   
  the definition of solicitation was clear enough to cover                     
  that concern.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 403                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. HUDSON inquired what the penalty would be if someone                    
  called another party who had indicated they did not want to                  
  be called.                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN replied that the attorney general could bring                     
  action and fine at the rate of $200.00 or actual damages,                    
  whichever is greater.  The court could also award punitive                   
  damages, court costs, and attorney fees, or whatever else it                 
  deemed reasonable.                                                           
                                                                               
  REP. SITTON stated that he appreciated the motivation                        
  driving this bill as he believes privacy is the issue of the                 
  decade.  Rep. Sitton indicated his concern that the                          
  eavesdropping portion of the bill was deleted.                               
                                                                               
  Number 433                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN replied that federal law provides with one                        
  party's consent for the conversation to be taped.  She added                 
  that wiretapping is carefully regulated.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 468                                                                   
                                                                               
  MELLIE TERWILLIGER testified via teleconference that she was                 
  concerned about having hers or anyone else's conversations                   
  recorded without their knowledge.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 501                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER added that a law enforcement officer cannot use                  
  a tape recorded conversation in court against an individual                  
  unless he obtains a warrant first.                                           
  HB 54:  TELEPHONE CONSUMER PROTECTION                                        
                                                                               
  Number 520                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARIANNE KERR testified via teleconference on her own behalf                 
  in support of HB 54.  She stated she wants to be able to                     
  choose who has knowledge of her phone number and address as                  
  she is a single parent with a small child at home.                           
                                                                               
  Number 530                                                                   
                                                                               
  TOM ROY, ALASKA TELEPHONE ASSOCIATION, testified via                         
  teleconference in opposition to HB 54.  He pointed out that                  
  caller identification service can never be a reality in                      
  Alaska if HB 54 becomes law.  Mr. Roy further stated that                    
  the expense involved in producing and maintaining a list of                  
  the choices customers make is great and the time lag between                 
  the time a person gets a phone hooked up and the publication                 
  of the next telephone book is published can be more than a                   
  year.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 588                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON asked how the numbers would be presented on                  
  phones and when this new technology could realistically be                   
  available in Alaska.                                                         
                                                                               
  MR. ROY explained that the numbers would appear right on the                 
  screen for the receiving party to see and the technology is                  
  about a year away from being installed.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 602                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER asked how random dialing would circumvent this                   
  bill.                                                                        
                                                                               
  MR. ROY answered that telemarketers sometimes employ                         
  computers to randomly call numbers and they don't                            
  differentiate between those who want to be called and those                  
  that don't.                                                                  
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-20, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER noted that he's heard a number of down-sides on                  
  the function of caller ID but hasn't heard any of the                        
  advantages.                                                                  
                                                                               
  MR. ROY replied that the most obvious one is that of                         
  harassing phone calls.  No longer would someone have the                     
  anonymity of calling and not having the receiving party know                 
  where the person is calling from.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 062                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN asked if a person's unlisted number would be                      
  disclosed under the caller ID system.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 077                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. ROY replied yes.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 081                                                                   
                                                                               
  CATHY SCHINDLER, PROGRAM DIRECTOR, ABUSED WOMEN'S AID IN                     
  CRISIS (AWAIC), testified via teleconference in support of                   
  HB 54.  Ms. Schindler noted that the number one service that                 
  AWAIC provides is a safe shelter.  Ms. Schindler said that                   
  within the caller identification system any subscriber would                 
  be able to determine that a woman was at the shelter if she                  
  called from a shelter phone.  This puts the woman, children,                 
  and shelter workers at risk.                                                 
                                                                               
  MS. SCHINDLER further testified that it is essential that                    
  all shelters be provided with a caller ID blockage at no                     
  charge.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 123                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON discussed some of the verbiage in the bill.                  
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE noted that someone could block his caller ID and                 
  make harassing telephone calls without any repercussions.                    
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN answered that while that was true, there were                     
  other ways of finding out the telephone number of a                          
  persistent harasser; i.e., putting a trace on the call.                      
                                                                               
  Number 190                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER noted that the technology is there to trace                      
  calls but it has to be established by due process.                           
                                                                               
  Number 197                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER asked who provides the list of those who do not                  
  wish to be called.                                                           
                                                                               
  REP. BROWN responded that it would be the local exchange or                  
  any company that produces a telephone book.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 217                                                                   
                                                                               
  CINDY SMITH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ALASKA NETWORK ON DOMESTIC                  
  VIOLENCE, testified in support of HB 54, especially Section                  
  1.  Ms. Smith stated that in seeking help and safe shelter                   
  one of the most important facilities a victim has is a                       
  telephone.  Up until now a victim could safely and privately                 
  arrange for shelter, and safely make contact with her                        
  batterer regarding finances, issues of the children, etc.                    
  Ms. Smith noted that unregulated caller ID will have a                       
  tremendous adverse impact on the network and the victims                     
  that seek shelter there.                                                     
                                                                               
  MS. SMITH noted that in other states the costs per customer                  
  for caller ID runs anywhere from $2 to $7.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 305                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER asked how many people wanted this service in the                 
  states studied.                                                              
                                                                               
  MS. SMITH replied that between 4 to 8 percent of residential                 
  homes wanted this service.  It's primary usage is for                        
  business.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 342                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON announced that the chair would take one more                 
  person to testify on SJR 27 and then he would hold the bill                  
  over for more backup and to take more testimony in the near                  
  future.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 358                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARCIA MCKENZIE, PROGRAM COORDINATOR, ALASKA COUNCIL ON                      
  DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, testified in support of HB 54.  Ms.                       
  McKenzie echoed Ms. Smith's testimony.                                       
  HB 164:  MOTOR VEHICLE DEALERS & BUYERS' AGENTS                              
                                                                               
  Number 402                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. GAIL PHILLIPS, PRIME SPONSOR OF SSHB 164, read the                      
  sponsor statement for the record.  (Her sponsor statement is                 
  on file in the committee room.)                                              
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON asked if the fine proposed of $100 was                       
  adequate.                                                                    
                                                                               
  REP. PHILLIPS stated she preferred to have that responded to                 
  by the others who were there to testify.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 454                                                                   
                                                                               
  STEVE ALLWINE, ALASKA AUTOMOBILE DEALERS, testified in                       
  support of HB 164.  Mr. Allwine echoed the sponsor statement                 
  and added that dealers and consumers have had many problems                  
  in the past being sold vehicles that have been previously                    
  sold or have warranties that were in default for some                        
  reason.  Mr. Allwine believes this piece of legislation will                 
  go a long way in correcting these problems.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 495                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER moved for passage of SSHB 164 with individual                    
  recommendations and a zero fiscal note.  No objections were                  
  noted, it was so ordered.                                                    
  HB 126:  PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION PREVAILING WAGE RATES                           
                                                                               
  Number 507                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. GAIL PHILLIPS, PRIME SPONSOR OF SSHB 126, read the                      
  sponsor statement for the record.  (This statement is on                     
  file in the committee room until the end of session.)                        
                                                                               
  Number 545                                                                   
                                                                               
  BILL WARD, PART OWNER, WARD LANDSCAPING SERVICE, testified                   
  in support of HB 126.  Mr. Ward raised the concern of why                    
  the 24 month duration was used, as many contracts are for                    
  longer than that.  He proposed that the bill apply to the                    
  duration of the contract or somehow put in language that                     
  would protect the contractor.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 588                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN ABSHIRE, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF LABOR,                      
  testified in support of this bill.  Mr. Abshire stated that                  
  the department sees this bill as relieving any financial                     
  hardship contractors bear by prevailing wages that are                       
  effective during the term of the contract.                                   
                                                                               
  MR. ABSHIRE noted that one reason for the 24 month provision                 
  is that there is great potential that skilled craftsman will                 
  leave the job to go to another job that pays more money.                     
  This will help keep skilled people working on public                         
  projects.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 603                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON asked the commissioner about recording                       
  requirements for public contracts is $2,000.  Mr. Hudson                     
  asked if that figure isn't low.                                              
                                                                               
  MR. ABSHIRE explained that the $2,000 figure is patterned                    
  after the Davis Bacon Act.                                                   
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-21, SIDE A                                                           
                                                                               
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. GREEN moved for passage of HB 126 with individual                       
  recommendations and a zero fiscal note.  No objections were                  
  heard, it was so ordered.                                                    
  HB 203:  ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FOR WORKERS' COMP.                               
                                                                               
  Number 045                                                                   
                                                                               
  PAUL ARNOLDT, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF WORKERS' COMPENSATION,                   
  DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, gave an overview of the major issue's                   
  facing the division and some of the proposed solutions                       
  including the introduction of HB 203. (Mr. Arnoldt's written                 
  report is on file in the committee room until the end of                     
  session, at which time it will be sent to the Legislative                    
  Reference Library.)                                                          
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON opened up the meeting to an informal round                   
  table discussion with members of the insurance industry,                     
  representatives of the state of Alaska, and businesses for                   
  further discussion regarding the major issues referenced by                  
  Mr. Arnoldt.  The group included:                                            
                                                                               
     Labor and Commerce Committee members                                      
     Paul Arnoldt, Director, Div. of Workers' Compensation,                    
                   Dept. of Labor                                              
     David Teal, Director, Div. of Administrative Services,                    
                   Dept. of Labor                                              
     Resa Jerrel, Lobbyist, National Federation Independent                    
                   Business                                                    
     Jay Frank, Insurance industry lobbyist                                    
     John George, Insurance industry lobbyist                                  
                                                                               
  Discussion ensued.  The group listed above agreed to                         
  continue the discussion at another location and time and                     
  report back to the committee.                                                
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON adjourned the meeting at 5:35 p.m.                           

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