Legislature(2025 - 2026)GRUENBERG 120

03/26/2025 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY

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01:03:47 PM Start
01:04:26 PM HB97
01:29:17 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 26, 2025                                                                                         
                           1:03 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Andrew Gray, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Chuck Kopp, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Representative Ted Eischeid                                                                                                     
Representative Genevieve Mina                                                                                                   
Representative Jubilee Underwood                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                      
Representative Mia Costello                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 97                                                                                                               
"An Act  relating to theft;  relating to organized  retail theft;                                                               
relating to  property crimes; relating to  aggravating factors at                                                               
sentencing;  establishing  a  statewide  marketplace  facilitator                                                               
sales tax;  and establishing the  organized retail theft  fund in                                                               
the general fund."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB  97                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: ORG. RETAIL THEFT/FUND;MKTPLACE SALES TAX                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) FIELDS                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
NATE GRAHAM, Staff                                                                                                              
Representative Andrew Gray                                                                                                      
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Gave a  summary of  changes to  HB 97,  on                                                             
behalf of Representative Gray.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SKIDMORE, Deputy Attorney General                                                                                          
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
97.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
EVAN ANDERSON, Staff                                                                                                            
Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                      
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
97.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:03:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ANDREW  GRAY called the House  Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order  at 1:03 p.m.   Representatives Underwood, Mina,                                                               
Eischeid, Kopp, and Gray were present at the call to order.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        HB  97-ORG. RETAIL THEFT/FUND;MKTPLACE SALES TAX                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:04:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY  announced that the  first order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO. 97,  "An  Act  relating  to theft;  relating  to                                                               
organized retail theft; relating  to property crimes; relating to                                                               
aggravating  factors  at  sentencing;  establishing  a  statewide                                                               
marketplace   facilitator  sales   tax;   and  establishing   the                                                               
organized retail theft fund in the general fund."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:04:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP moved to adopt the proposed committee                                                                       
substitute (CS) for HB 97, Version 34-LS0109\T, C. Radford,                                                                     
3/25/25 ("Version T"), as the working document.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA objected.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:05:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NATE  GRAHAM, Staff,  Representative  Andrew  Gray, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, on behalf of Representative  Gray, gave a summary of                                                               
changes  in Version  T from  the written  explanation of  changes                                                               
[included  in  the  committee  packet],  which  read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1:                                                                                                                 
     Conforming Language                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2:                                                                                                                 
     Language from  HB 106 (GOV)  establishes the  new crime                                                                    
     of  organized theft.  A person  is guilty  of organized                                                                    
     theft  if  the  person  commits a  felony  level  theft                                                                    
     (value  of over  $750) in  concert with  three or  more                                                                    
     other  persons who  have committed  two or  more felony                                                                    
     level thefts for  the benefit of, at  the direction of,                                                                    
     or in association with the  group. Organized theft is a                                                                    
     class A felony.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3:                                                                                                                 
     Conforming language, removes lower theft thresholds.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4:                                                                                                                 
     Conforming  language, removes  lower theft  thresholds.                                                                    
     Amends theft in  the second degree (class  C felony) to                                                                    
     include  property  that  is medical  records  or  other                                                                    
     medical information.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5:                                                                                                                 
     Conforming  language, removes  lower theft  thresholds.                                                                    
     Amends theft in the  third degree (class A misdemeanor)                                                                    
     to include the theft of mail.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6:                                                                                                                 
     Language from HB 77. Creates  an exemption to the crime                                                                    
     of  mail   theft  for   employees  of   a  correctional                                                                    
     facility,  juvenile  detention  facility  and  juvenile                                                                    
     treatment facility.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7:                                                                                                                 
     Conforming language removes lower theft thresholds.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8:                                                                                                                 
     Conforming language.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9:                                                                                                                 
      Creates the crime of wage theft in the first, second                                                                      
     and third degrees.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10:                                                                                                                
     Defines "aggregate value"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 11:                                                                                                                
     Creates restitution for wage theft.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 12:                                                                                                                
     Adds organized theft to factors in aggravation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 13:                                                                                                                
     Applicability statutes                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 14:                                                                                                                
     Creates an effective date for section 1-12                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:07:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE UNDERWOOD,  referring to Section 6,  asked whether                                                               
employees  or care  providers need  a power  of attorney  to open                                                               
mail  or   whether  they  would   need  an  exemption   to  avoid                                                               
prosecution under the proposed bill.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:07:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SKIDMORE,  Deputy   Attorney  General,  Criminal  Division,                                                               
Department  of  Law   (DOL),  agreed  that  DOC   would  need  an                                                               
exemption;  however,  he was  unsure  whether  that exemption  is                                                               
already in law.  He offered to follow up.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:08:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA asked  whether  there  were redundancies  or                                                               
conflicts in the incorporation of HB 106 and HB 77 in Version T.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  said he saw  no redundancies  or issues in  the way                                                               
the bills  were combined.   He  pointed out  that wage  theft was                                                               
added  into the  CS and  said  he had  a chance  to consider  its                                                               
impact, nor had he resolved the interplay between the additional                                                                
language about aggregate value and its existing statute.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA asked for a follow up.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:10:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 1:10 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:11:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY made the following prepared remarks about the added                                                                  
crime of wage theft:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Wage theft is  a serious crime, and it's  time our laws                                                                    
     reflect that reality.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     According to  the Economy Policy Institute,  wage theft                                                                    
     costs employees up  to $50 billion annually.   A figure                                                                    
     that dwarfs  losses from more  traditionally prosecuted                                                                    
     crimes like robbery, burglary, or  car theft.  And yet,                                                                    
     wage theft  often goes  unpunished, and  victims rarely                                                                    
     receive the compensation they're owed.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     I  recently read  an article  by CBS  News which  found                                                                    
     that  even when  workers win  their wage  theft claims,                                                                    
     more than  a third  of those cases  result in  no money                                                                    
     ever recovered   leaving hardworking  people out in the                                                                    
     cold, despite clear rulings in their favor.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     And  the consequences  are  devastating.   The  average                                                                    
     amount stolen in these cases  is just under $1,000   an                                                                    
     amount that  might seem small  on paper, but  is enough                                                                    
     to create  financial hardship for working  families and                                                                    
     would be a felony if it was considered property.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     A lot of  people in my community  and throughout Alaska                                                                    
     are  living paycheck  to paycheck.   If  you're missing                                                                    
     $1,000,  what  do  you  say to  you  landlord.  To  the                                                                    
     grocery store, to the utility  company?  You can't just                                                                    
     say, 'My employer didn't pay me, so I can't pay you.'                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Whether a worker is paid  late by eight months, a year,                                                                    
     or never at  all, the outcome is the  same: they're out                                                                    
     a paycheck.  And for  many families, that means falling                                                                    
     behind  on rent,  skipping meals,  or choosing  between                                                                    
     medicine and electricity.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     With this  addition to the  legislation, we  are saying                                                                    
     clearly: wage  theft is  theft, and  it belongs  in the                                                                    
     criminal code.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     We're   working  to   ensure  that   workers  who   are                                                                    
     victimized   by   this   crime  aren't   left   waiting                                                                    
     indefinitely  for   justice      or  left   without  it                                                                    
     altogether.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     This  bill  will  help ensure  that  when  workers  are                                                                    
     robbed of their  wages, there's a system  in place that                                                                    
     not  only   holds  employers  accountable   but  ensure                                                                    
     victims can actually recover what they're owed.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     I  am happy  to bring  forth this  committee substitute                                                                    
     and begin  a long overdue conversation  in Alaska about                                                                    
     wage theft.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     With that are there any additional questions?                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:13:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  asked  whether other  states  have  enacted                                                               
similar laws.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GRAY  confirmed that  the  bill  was modeled  after  other                                                               
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM  offered to follow  up with the states  utilizing wage                                                               
theft statutes.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:14:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA asked  whether  other  departments would  be                                                               
involved  in  enforcing  or investigating  wage  theft,  such  as                                                               
Department of Labor & Workforce Development (DLWD).                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY  said he  imagined that the  DLWD would  be intimately                                                               
involved with this aspect of the bill.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM said  DLWD would forward cases to  DOL and individuals                                                               
could  also  bring   it  to  the  attention  of   police  or  the                                                               
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:16:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  asked whether  DOL or  DLWD had  indicated a                                                               
need for this in Alaska statutes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAHAM responded  that both  departments would  be providing                                                               
insights  into   the  legislation  next  Wednesday   via  invited                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:17:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EISCHEID asked with  regard to wage theft, whether                                                               
the burden of proof would be placed on the employer.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAHAM said  the  burden  would be  on  the  state to  prove                                                               
intentional misclassification of an employee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY  added that  employees are  often misclassified  as an                                                               
independent contractor, resulting in a loss of certain benefits.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:19:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA  asked how  wage  theft  is currently  being                                                               
enforced and questioned how the bill would impact existing law.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY stated that the  bill would criminalize the conduct of                                                               
wage theft.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAHAM confirmed  that wage  theft is  not currently  in the                                                               
criminal statutes  and would  be considered a  civil matter.   He                                                               
added  that the  bill  would allow  DOL  to criminally  prosecute                                                               
these  employers and  restitution  would be  compensate the  full                                                               
cost as part of a plea or conviction.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GRAY explained  that currently,  recouping lost  wages may                                                               
take a year  in civil court, which ends up  victimizing those who                                                               
can least afford to push back.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:22:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EVAN ANDERSON,  Staff, Representative  Zack Fields,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, said the folks at  Wage and Hour are under resourced                                                               
and do  not have adequate  reach.  He  said adding wage  theft to                                                               
the criminal  code would give  state regulators another  tool and                                                               
additional recourse for those who have been victimized.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:23:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA inquired  about repeat  offenders and  asked                                                               
whether criminalizing this conduct would impact employee pay.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAHAM  said if  the first  offense is  less than  $1,000, it                                                               
would be a Class A misdemeanor, which  would move up to a class C                                                               
felony  if  the  individual  had  been convicted  on  3  or  more                                                               
separate occasions  in the past 10  years in Alaska or  a similar                                                               
jurisdiction.   Ultimately, it would get  progressively worse for                                                               
repeat  offenders   who  knowingly   withhold  or  fail   to  pay                                                               
employees.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GRAY expressed  his hope  that establishing  the crime  of                                                               
wage theft would  deter employees from engaging  in this conduct.                                                               
He said the goal is to  discourage the crime from being committed                                                               
in the first place, not lock people up.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:25:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  shared an anecdotal  example and said  he is                                                               
interested in hearing  from DOL and DLWD to see  whether the bill                                                               
would "move the needle" on this issue.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY  added that  some of the  most vulnerable  workers are                                                               
seasonal  workers because  they aren't  familiar with  state law.                                                               
Furthermore, those with a language  barrier are particularly easy                                                               
to take advantage of.  He  expressed his hope that the bill would                                                               
send  a message  to  employers  that this  behavior  will not  be                                                               
tolerated.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:28:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA  removed  her  objection.   There  being  no                                                               
further  objection,   Version  T  was  adopted   as  the  working                                                               
document.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GRAY announced  that CSHB  97,  Version T,  would be  held                                                               
over.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:29:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 1:29 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 97 CS JUD Ver T.pdf HJUD 3/26/2025 1:00:00 PM
HB 97
HB 97 Summary of Changes A to T.pdf HJUD 3/26/2025 1:00:00 PM
HB 97