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06/04/2006 12:00 PM House JUDICIARY


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                          June 4, 2006                                                                                          
                           12:37 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lesil McGuire, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Tom Anderson                                                                                                     
Representative John Coghill                                                                                                     
Representative Pete Kott                                                                                                        
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 2002                                                                                                             
"An Act  conferring original jurisdiction  on the  Alaska Supreme                                                               
Court for the purpose of  providing judicial review of a contract                                                               
executed  under  the Alaska  Stranded  Gas  Development Act,  and                                                               
setting the  time in which  a contract developed under  that Act,                                                               
or  a statute  of limitations  regarding that  contract, must  be                                                               
legally challenged; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 2002                                                                                                                 
SHORT TITLE: GAS PIPELINE CONTRACT: COURT JURISDICTION                                                                          
SPONSOR(S): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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06/03/06       (H)       JUD AT 11:15 AM CAPITOL 120                                                                            
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JAMES L. BALDWIN, Attorney at Law                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   As  counsel to the  Office of  the Attorney                                                               
General, presented HB 2002 on behalf of the administration.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DOUG WOOLIVER, Administrative Attorney                                                                                          
Administrative Staff                                                                                                            
Office of the Administrative Director                                                                                           
Alaska Court System (ACS)                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Provided   comments  and   responded  to                                                               
questions during discussion of HB 2002.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PHILLIP C. GILDAN, Attorney at Law                                                                                              
Greenberg Traurig, LLP                                                                                                          
West Palm Beach, Florida                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Responded to  questions during discussion of                                                               
HB 2002.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LESIL   McGUIRE  called   the  House   Judiciary  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to order  at  12:37:46  PM [stated  as  12:35                                                             
p.m.].   Representatives McGuire, Wilson, Gruenberg,  Gara, Kott,                                                               
and Coghill  were present at  the call to order.   Representative                                                               
Anderson arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 2002 - GAS PIPELINE CONTRACT: COURT JURISDICTION                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
12:38:01 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE announced that the  only order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 2002, "An  Act conferring original jurisdiction on                                                               
the Alaska  Supreme Court for  the purpose of  providing judicial                                                               
review  of a  contract  executed under  the  Alaska Stranded  Gas                                                               
Development  Act,  and  setting  the time  in  which  a  contract                                                               
developed under that  Act, or a statute  of limitations regarding                                                               
that contract, must  be legally challenged; and  providing for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:38:49 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JAMES L.  BALDWIN, Attorney at Law,  as counsel to the  Office of                                                               
the  Attorney  General,  presented  HB  2002  on  behalf  of  the                                                               
administration.  He  relayed that HB 2002 is  intended to provide                                                               
for  original  jurisdiction  in the  Alaska  Supreme  Court  with                                                               
regard to reviewing  legal challenges to the  Alaska Stranded Gas                                                               
Fiscal  Contract  ("ASGF Contract").    This  ties in  with  some                                                               
agreements that  were made and  that appear in the  ASGF Contract                                                               
in  Article 27,  where the  parties  have agreed  that under  the                                                               
normal terms  of the ASGF Contract  there can be a  suspension of                                                               
the  obligations  in  the  face  of  a  legal  challenge  to  the                                                               
underlying authority for the contract.   However, also under that                                                               
provision, there would be no right  to suspend for a period of 15                                                               
months in  order to advance  planning of  the project.   That 15-                                                               
month period was  set as the time frame to  determine how long it                                                               
would  take  to  get  an expedited  process  through  the  courts                                                               
regarding  major  issues  involved  in the  Alaska  Stranded  Gas                                                               
Development Act.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALDWIN noted  that  HB  2002 also  provides  for a  limited                                                               
statute  of limitations  period of  60 days  for bringing  "these                                                               
kinds of  actions"; currently the  statute of  limitations period                                                               
outlined in the Alaska Stranded  Gas Development Act is 120 days.                                                               
In response  to a question,  he relayed that the  current statute                                                               
of  limitations applies  to bringing  an action;  again, HB  2002                                                               
would  change  AS  43.82.440  such  that  it  would  provide  for                                                               
original  jurisdiction in  the Alaska  Supreme  Court, and  would                                                               
shorten  the  statute of  limitations  period  to  60 days.    He                                                               
indicated  that the  administration believes  that the  authority                                                               
for the  proposed jurisdictional  change is  found in  the Alaska                                                               
State Constitution under  Article IV, Section 1,  which says that                                                               
the  legislature may  establish the  jurisdiction of  the courts;                                                               
additionally, the legislature has the  authority to set limits on                                                               
the state's statute of limitations periods.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:42:55 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked whether the Alaska  Supreme Court                                                               
has original jurisdiction in any other kind of case.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN  relayed that  it does in  recount appeals,  and that                                                               
Alaska Rules of Appellate Procedure  Rule 404 says that the court                                                               
can  exercise  original  jurisdiction  in aid  of  its  appellate                                                               
jurisdiction.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG noted that Rule 404(a)(1) says:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     An original  application for relief  may be  filed with                                                                    
     the appellate  court or a  judge or justice  thereof in                                                                    
     any matter within its  jurisdiction, whenever relief is                                                                    
     not  available  from  any other  court  and  cannot  be                                                                    
     obtained through  the process  of appeal,  petition for                                                                    
     review,  or   petition  for   hearing.  Grant   of  the                                                                    
     application  is not  a  matter of  right  but of  sound                                                                    
     discretion sparingly exercised.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said he agrees  with the concept of providing                                                               
a quick  way to resolve "these"  cases, but thinks that  a better                                                               
way to accomplish that goal might  be to provide for an expedited                                                               
case at  the trial  court level  and an  expedited appeal  to the                                                               
Alaska Supreme Court.  He also  said there don't appear to be any                                                               
procedures  in the  Alaska Supreme  Court  to accommodate  what's                                                               
being proposed via HB 2002.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:47:43 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN said:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The way we perceive this  as unfolding ..., and what we                                                                    
     intend, is  that this be  a procedure  that's available                                                                    
     for    dealing    with,   basically,    questions    of                                                                    
     constitutional law or questions of  law.  In which case                                                                    
     the  [Alaska]   Supreme  Court,  in  many   cases,  has                                                                    
     proclaimed that it's the final  arbiter of questions of                                                                    
     law  and implied  that the  [Alaska] Superior  Court is                                                                    
     sometimes like  a speed  bump in  the way  towards that                                                                    
     ultimate decision-making.   And  so, for those  kind of                                                                    
     cases, I think  ... the [Alaska] Supreme  Court is well                                                                    
     endowed to  deal with those  cases, but it  is possible                                                                    
     that  there could  be factual  disputes  that could  be                                                                    
     brought forward  in the way  the cases are pled  or the                                                                    
     issues  are  identified  by  the   parties.    In  that                                                                    
     instance ..., I believe, ...  the court would appoint a                                                                    
     master.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  asked whether  there  is  authority in  the                                                               
rules for that.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN surmised  that either the court would make  a rule or                                                               
the master would establish a procedure for the parties.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     I  just  don't  see  the   rules  that  allow  that  to                                                                    
     automatically happen,  and if  you're going to  say the                                                                    
     [Alaska]  Supreme  Court   shall  adopt  rules,  again,                                                                    
     that's one of the reasons  why I'm worried that this is                                                                    
     going to take  longer than just an  expedited trial and                                                                    
     appeal  process,  because  when  the  [Alaska]  Supreme                                                                    
     Court adopts  rules, it  takes time -  they have  to do                                                                    
     notice  provisions,  publication  provisions.    So  if                                                                    
     you're going  to set  a process  and say  "The [Alaska]                                                                    
     Supreme Court has  no rules for conducting  a trial, no                                                                    
     rules   for   conducting   discovery,  no   rules   for                                                                    
     processing  evidence, you  shall adopt  this by  rule,"                                                                    
     and  then we  have  to wait  for  the [Alaska]  Supreme                                                                    
     Court to  adopt rules,  have you thought  about whether                                                                    
     that is going to cause you delay?                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN replied:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     What  we've thought  about is  looking  at the  [Alaska                                                                    
     Judicial Council  (AJC)] statistics  for the  length of                                                                    
     time it  takes for  civil actions  to move  through the                                                                    
     courts.  Those statistics  basically say that if you've                                                                    
     got a  case that  involves more  than $15,000  at risk,                                                                    
     you're looking at,  at least, a year to  get it through                                                                    
     the [Alaska]  Superior Court. ... That's  just the fact                                                                    
     of  it.   But if  you've got  a case  like this,  where                                                                    
     you've got  billions of dollars  at stake, we  could be                                                                    
     involved  for years  at the  lower court  level without                                                                    
     any  sign of  relief.   And  we have  here a  situation                                                                    
     where    the   parties    have   agreed    to   perform                                                                    
     notwithstanding  judicial  challenges  and  spend  over                                                                    
     $100 million (indisc.).   So our intent here  is to try                                                                    
     to advance the process, and  it may be effective or may                                                                    
     fall into the kinds  of pitfalls you're describing, but                                                                    
     we  think  this  is  probably the  most  effective  and                                                                    
     active thing we can do to advance that cause.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE   referenced  a  memorandum  by   Jack  Chenoweth,                                                               
Legislative Legal and Research Services, regarding the Trans-                                                                   
Alaska  Pipeline Authorization  original  jurisdiction issue  and                                                               
timeline,  and  remarked on  the  similarity  between that  mega-                                                               
project and the proposed gas  line project with regard to certain                                                               
issues, dollar  amounts involved, time constraints,  and concerns                                                               
about challenges.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:52:27 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN  noted that  the Trans-Alaska  Pipeline Authorization                                                               
played out  in the federal  system, and although he  can't recall                                                               
the  exact  timeline that  occurred  with  that project,  it  was                                                               
effective in moving claims through  the federal court system, and                                                               
was  part of  the motivation  for attempting  to proceed  in that                                                               
same fashion at the state level via  HB 2002.  He added:  "And we                                                               
were  encouraged by  the comments  that we  heard, on  the Senate                                                               
side, from  the [Alaska Court  System (ACS)] indicating  that ...                                                               
they  would, to  the  extent  they can,  give  comity  to such  a                                                               
statute  coming  from the  legislature  conferring  that kind  of                                                               
jurisdiction."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE asked Doug Wooliver to speak to that issue.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
12:53:22 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DOUG  WOOLIVER,  Administrative Attorney,  Administrative  Staff,                                                               
Office  of  the  Administrative  Director,  Alaska  Court  System                                                               
(ACS),  first, with  regard to  an earlier  question, said  he is                                                               
aware  of  two  statutes conferring  original  jurisdiction,  one                                                               
current  statute  - that  being  the  one that  confers  original                                                               
jurisdiction  on  the  Alaska Supreme  Court  for  challenges  to                                                               
election  recounts -  and a  statute related  to election  issues                                                               
that is  no longer on  the books.   He said  he is aware  of five                                                               
reported  opinions from  those two  statutes; in  three of  those                                                               
cases, the Alaska  Supreme Court resolved the  issues without the                                                               
appointment of  a special master, but  in two of those  cases the                                                               
Alaska Supreme  Court did  appoint a  special master.   Typically                                                               
the  distinction between  those  two types  of  cases is  whether                                                               
there are depositions and discovery,  the taking of evidence, and                                                               
challenges to  evidence - the  types of things that  would happen                                                               
in a  trial -  and what has  happened in the  past in  the Alaska                                                               
Supreme Court when  a special master has been  appointed in cases                                                               
of  original jurisdiction  is that  the court  simply appoints  a                                                               
superior court  judge to serve as  a special master and  then the                                                               
trial essentially proceeds much like a superior court trial.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOLIVER stated  that the ACS is neutral on  HB 2002, neither                                                               
supporting it  nor opposing it.   On  the issue of  timelines, he                                                               
mentioned  that  there  are constitutional  restrictions  on  the                                                               
legislature's authority  to impose  timelines with regard  to how                                                               
long  judges   have  to  resolve  issues.     Nevertheless,  when                                                               
timelines are  imposed, the court  has worked very hard  and will                                                               
continue to work very hard  to meet those timelines whether doing                                                               
so is constitutionally  required or not.  "In this  case, with or                                                               
without  timelines, ...  the  court  is very  much  aware of  the                                                               
importance of these  cases and would give  them [the] appropriate                                                               
level of priority," he added.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked whether  the Alaska Supreme Court would                                                               
have the  authority to appoint a  master and conduct a  trial and                                                               
provide for  discovery procedures without having  to add language                                                               
to the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOLIVER  indicated that the  Alaska Supreme Court  does have                                                               
that authority already  and so will simply  exercise its inherent                                                               
authority to  conduct its proceedings  to appoint a master  if it                                                               
feels  that  that's   the  appropriate  route  to   take  with  a                                                               
particular case.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked  how long it would take  for the Alaska                                                               
Supreme Court to adopt rules.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOLIVER  said he is not  sure that the Alaska  Supreme Court                                                               
would adopt rules  for the purpose of  this proposed legislation,                                                               
though it  may, and noted  that although the  rule-making process                                                               
varies in length of time, it can be expedited.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA suggested  that it might be  better to simply                                                               
provide  that the  Alaska Supreme  Court can  "do this"  by order                                                               
rather by a cumbersome rule-making process.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:58:36 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG  mentioned   that   Alaska  Rules   of                                                               
Appellate Procedure Rules  520 and 521 allow the  courts to relax                                                               
or dispense with the other rules  in the interest of justice, and                                                               
that the Alaska Rules of Civil  Procedure and the Alaska Rules of                                                               
Criminal Procedure  contain similar rules.   He also  mentioned a                                                               
couple  of  examples  wherein  the  courts  did  just  that,  and                                                               
surmised  that [in  addition] the  courts  can either  promulgate                                                               
rules or issue a comprehensive order.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA asked whether  a citizen bringing a challenge                                                               
under  this bill  will be  provided  adequate time  to prepare  a                                                               
case.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOLIVER again  relayed that the ACS doesn't  take a position                                                               
on statute of limitations issues.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  asked whether  the legislature needs  to add                                                               
"rules of  fair play" into the  bill so that a  citizen will have                                                               
time to prepare a case.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOLIVER pointed  out that courts grant  continuances all the                                                               
time,  and that  continuances are  meant to  ensure that  parties                                                               
aren't  forced to  litigate before  they are  ready, and  this is                                                               
typically done  without specific  direction from  the legislature                                                               
and is  simply left up to  the discretion of the  judge to manage                                                               
the  case as  he/she thinks  is most  appropriate.   Although the                                                               
legislature could  add "rules of  fair play,"  he said he  is not                                                               
sure  what  they  would  look  like.    Again,  typically  "those                                                               
decisions" are simply general case  management decisions that the                                                               
judge makes.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG   offered   his   understanding   that                                                               
"discovery  rules  and  briefing  rules" and  similar  items  are                                                               
usually found  exclusively in the  rules of court rather  than in                                                               
the statutes themselves.  He  again mentioned one of the examples                                                               
he'd referred  to previously, and  offered his  recollection that                                                               
the court  had been  very reasonable and  had relaxed  the normal                                                               
appellate rules.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA mentioned that  he is considering offering an                                                               
amendment that  would say the  [Alaska] Supreme Court  shall give                                                               
the parties adequate time to prepare and present their case.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOLIVER, in  response to questions, said  that although such                                                               
language wouldn't hurt, it isn't  actually necessary, adding that                                                               
he has  a fair  bit if  faith that  the court  will do  the right                                                               
thing.   He  noted that  the  Alaska Supreme  Court is  sometimes                                                               
considered  to be  deliberative to  a fault  and doesn't  like to                                                               
rush cases.   In response  to another  question, he said  the ACS                                                               
has no  suggestions for change  to either  HB 2002 or  the latest                                                               
version of the Senate companion bill.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:08:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL made a motion  to adopt Amendment 1, which                                                               
read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Delete  language on  Page  1, line  8  through page  2,                                                                    
     line 2:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Insert:                                                                                                                    
          Sec. 42.82.440.  Judicial review. (a) The Alaska                                                                      
     Supreme Court  has original and  exclusive jurisdiction                                                                    
     of any  judicial review of  a contract  developed under                                                                    
     this chapter.   Notwithstanding any other  provision of                                                                    
     law, a  person may  not bring  an action  challenging a                                                                    
     final agency  decision of  the commissioner  of revenue                                                                    
     made under AS 43.82.430(c),  the constitutionality of a                                                                    
     law authorizing a contract  enacted under AS 43.82.435,                                                                    
     or the  enforceability of a  contract executed  under a                                                                    
     law authorizing  a contract enacted under  this chapter                                                                    
     until that  contract has been  executed and  unless the                                                                    
     action  is commenced  within 120  days  after the  date                                                                    
     that the contract  was executed by the  state and other                                                                    
     parties to the  contract.  A "person" in AS  48.82 is a                                                                    
     person as defined in AS 02.25.110                                                                                          
          (b)   In   this   section,   "person"   means   an                                                                    
     individual, firm,  copartnership, corporation, company,                                                                    
     association,  joint stock  association,  of [sic]  body                                                                    
     politic,  and includes  a trustee,  receiver, assignee,                                                                    
     or similar representative.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT objected.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  explained   that  Amendment  1  somewhat                                                               
mirrors  language  adopted  in  the  Senate  including  retaining                                                               
current law's 120-day  statute of limitations period.   The items                                                               
that can be challenged within that  120 days are the final agency                                                               
decision, the  constitutionality of a law  authorizing a contract                                                               
enacted under AS  43.82.435, or the enforceability  of a contract                                                               
executed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   McGUIRE   asked   Representative  Coghill   to   consider                                                               
bifurcating Amendment 1,  given that it appears  to contain three                                                               
separate concepts.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:11:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    KOTT   expressed    favor   with    bifurcating                                                               
Amendment 1,  adding  that  he   is  not  that  comfortable  with                                                               
following the other body.  He  said he is concerned that 120 days                                                               
provides too  long a period of  time in which to  file an action,                                                               
particularly  given  that  federal  law allowed  60  days  for  a                                                               
challenge regarding the  Trans-Alaska Pipeline Authorization, and                                                               
then drew attention to the definition of the word, "person".                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  mentioned that there is  another proposed                                                               
amendment  that  would  address that  latter  issue  by  deleting                                                               
reference to the  word, "person" and likewise the  need to define                                                               
it.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  made a  motion  to  amend Amendment  1                                                               
conceptually  such that  all reference  to  "person" is  deleted.                                                               
There being no objection, Amendment 1 was amended.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN  said the administration  does not  support Amendment                                                               
1,  as amended,  for  a number  of reasons,  one  being that  the                                                               
administration would  prefer a statute  of limitations  period of                                                               
60  days,  and  another  being   that  the  language  allowing  a                                                               
challenge of  a final  agency decision will  be problematic.   He                                                               
said it  is the administration's  view that when  the legislature                                                               
authorizes the governor to sign  the ASGF Contract, the issues of                                                               
final agency action  are all consumed by that action  and are not                                                               
something  that can  be  litigated  within a  court  - the  final                                                               
agency  action is  made moot  by  the legislature's  action.   To                                                               
raise that  issue via  the language in  Amendment 1,  as amended,                                                               
may  be interpreted  to mean  that the  right of  action on  that                                                               
issue still exists.   The fiscal interest  finding, the permanent                                                               
finding, the final  finding, and the preliminary  finding are all                                                               
exercises  of discretion  by the  commissioner which  serve as  a                                                               
recommendation  to  the  legislature, and  when  the  legislature                                                               
takes  it  up  and  considers  it, it  becomes  subsumed  in  the                                                               
legislature's lawmaking power.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:22:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.   BALDWIN,  in   response  to   a  question,   said:     "The                                                               
legislature's consideration leads  to final agency determination,                                                               
which is, the legislature will tell  the governor he can sign the                                                               
final  contract.   When the  governor signs  the final  contract,                                                               
that's  when  it's  final,  that's  when the  case  is  ripe  for                                                               
adjudication and not before."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  said he's heard that  until "we" actually                                                               
have a final draft, that a  challenge is premature.  So until the                                                               
legislature  has  given  its  authority,   there  isn't  a  final                                                               
determination  that can  be challenged.   Representative  Coghill                                                               
remarked that  it appears  as though Mr.  Baldwin is  saying that                                                               
the administration  doesn't want a  challenge to occur  after the                                                               
legislature has accepted the findings of the commissioner.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN  said that he  is saying  that it is  of questionable                                                               
validity that  it's a challenge  to a finding or  a determination                                                               
of   the   commissioner   which  has   become   subsumed   within                                                               
legislature's lawmaking  power; this is really  not a controversy                                                               
that the courts could adjudicate.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  surmised that Mr. Baldwin  is saying that                                                               
the fact  that the legislature  has accepted the findings  of the                                                               
administration "under these conditions"  precludes a challenge to                                                               
those findings.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN attempted to clarify  that the legislature's power to                                                               
consider  this matter  is based  on its  constitutional power  to                                                               
make law, and when it takes  these matters up and considers them,                                                               
it does  so, presumably, independently,  similar to what  it does                                                               
with  bills   submitted  by  the  administration.     Such  bills                                                               
generally  don't remain  unchanged, and  so when  the legislature                                                               
takes up  the ASGF Contract,  he is presuming, he  remarked, that                                                               
the legislature  will exercise its independent  judgment and make                                                               
any  changes it  feels  necessary.   Thus by  the  time the  ASGF                                                               
Contract  is  authorized  by   the  legislature,  any  discussion                                                               
regarding the  fiscal interest finding  should be over with.   He                                                               
offered his  hope that the  courts will consider any  such matter                                                               
as un-judiciable and say they don't want to get involved.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE  offered her understanding,  though, that  the vote                                                               
on the  ASGF Contract  will be  an up or  down vote,  without any                                                               
leeway for modification;  regardless of what changes  are made to                                                               
legislation  pertaining  to the  contract  or  project, the  ASGF                                                               
Contract itself will be presented  to the legislature in the form                                                               
of  an ultimatum,  and  so there  isn't really  a  place for  the                                                               
deliberative amending process mentioned by Mr. Baldwin.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  concurred,  and  asked when  is  it  not                                                               
appropriate to challenge the final  action of the administration.                                                               
He opined that  a person ought to be able  to challenge [the ASGF                                                               
Contract] on its merit when it is finalized but not before then.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:29:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALDWIN  said the  concept  of  "justiciability" deals  with                                                               
whether a  controversy is ripe,  and that is  usually articulated                                                               
as  whether something  is final;  in this  case, nothing  will be                                                               
final until the governor signs  [the ASGF Contract].  The problem                                                               
with the Alaska Stranded Gas Development  Act is that it could be                                                               
construed to  mean that there  would be  a final action  when the                                                               
final fiscal  interest finding was presented  to the legislature,                                                               
and the administration doesn't want  that to intervene to prevent                                                               
the legislature  from being able  to consider the  ASGF Contract.                                                               
So to  have the issue raised  again via Amendment 1,  as amended,                                                               
would give more  credence to that kind of a  cause of action than                                                               
is desired by the administration.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON surmised that  although the legislature can                                                               
only vote  up or down  on the  ASGF Contract, if  the legislature                                                               
doesn't approve  of aspects  of it and  thus doesn't  approve it,                                                               
the  governor   can  simply  negotiate  for   language  that  the                                                               
legislature would  approve of.   She asked whether  deleting from                                                               
Amendment 1, as amended, the  language regarding a challenge to a                                                               
final agency decision  of the commissioner of  revenue made under                                                               
AS 43.82.435 would alleviate the administration's concerns.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE noted  that the current version of  HB 2002 doesn't                                                               
contain the language that concerns the administration.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN concurred,  and again expressed a  preference for not                                                               
including language regarding a final agency decision.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE  surmised that the  administration prefers  HB 2002                                                               
as  currently  written because  it  doesn't  reference the  final                                                               
agency  decision  and  it  provides   for  a  60-day  statute  of                                                               
limitations period.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN concurred.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE,  in  response  to  comments,  surmised  that  Mr.                                                               
Baldwin's  point is  that  once  the contract  is  signed by  the                                                               
Governor, then  it is ripe  for consideration by the  courts, but                                                               
not before.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN concurred.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG remarked  that agency determinations are                                                               
reviewable on the  basis of whether there has been  a clear error                                                               
or  an abuse  of discretion,  whereas legislative  determinations                                                               
are   not   generally  reviewable   except   on   the  basis   of                                                               
constitutionality.   Having the legislature approve  the contract                                                               
essentially insulates  the commissioner's findings  from judicial                                                               
review, he surmised.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:37:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE concurred,  adding:   "In  pushing  that point  of                                                               
ripeness and the place where you  can challenge it to the signing                                                               
of the  contract, you are  changing the scope  of what it  is you                                                               
can challenge,  because it  is not an  agency decision,  but that                                                               
... is  in keeping with the  one other mega-project that  we know                                                               
of in Alaska, so it's a policy call."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG noted  that  the Trans-Alaska  Pipeline                                                               
Authorization  legislation  contained language  stipulating  that                                                               
the courts could consider a  challenge based on whether an action                                                               
was beyond  the scope  of authority conferred  by the  title, and                                                               
that HB 2002 does not contain similar language.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE  said  that  issue  could be  dealt  with  via  an                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALDWIN,  in  response  to   comments,  suggested  that  the                                                               
language, "the enforceability of a  contract executed under a law                                                               
authorizing a  contract entered into under  As 43.82.435" already                                                               
addresses that issue.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  pointed  out, though,  that  under  AS                                                               
43.82.435,  the  legislature  has  become part  of  the  process,                                                               
whereas  nothing similar  was provided  for  in the  Trans-Alaska                                                               
Pipeline Authorization legislation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:42:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PHILLIP C.  GILDAN, Attorney at  Law, Greenberg Traurig,  LLP, in                                                               
response  to  a  question,  pointed  out  that  Amendment  1,  as                                                               
amended, proposes to insert the  phrase, "a final agency decision                                                               
of the  commissioner of the  revenue made under  AS 43.82.430(c)"                                                               
into a  statute of  limitations provision,  and so  an unintended                                                               
consequence of  removing that  language might  also be  to remove                                                               
the  aforementioned statute  of  limitations  on that  particular                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  said that  would not be  the intention.   He                                                               
expressed  concern   that  removing  such  language   would  also                                                               
preclude  a person  from challenging  substantive issues  such as                                                               
whether the  gas is  actually stranded,  for example,  or whether                                                               
the best interest finding is permissible.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILDAN  said he does  not see  anything "in the  statute that                                                               
was put  together" that would  preclude a party from  raising any                                                               
of those  issues, though that's  not to say that  anyone bringing                                                               
that action  would be able  to get past  a summary judgment  or a                                                               
motion   to   dismiss  based   upon   "the   position  that   the                                                               
administration  has  raised."   In  response  to a  question,  he                                                               
reiterated that  the provision the aforementioned  language would                                                               
be inserted into  is a statute of limitations  clause rather than                                                               
a "preclusion from challenge" clause.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA asked  whether -  if the  goal is  to ensure                                                               
that all  of the  aforementioned issues are  decided in  the same                                                               
court  within  the same  timeframe  -  Amendment 1,  as  amended,                                                               
should be adopted as is, with nothing further removed.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILDAN  said that  appears to  be the case.   In  response to                                                               
another question,  he said  he has  no opinion  regarding whether                                                               
the statute  of limitations should  be 60  days or 120  days, but                                                               
does  believe  that  the  changes  made  in  the  Senate  are  an                                                               
improvement over the original bill.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILDAN,  in response to  a further question, said  that using                                                               
the phrase, "Notwithstanding any other  provision of law," is the                                                               
safer mechanism by which to ensure  that the issue of conflict of                                                               
law does  not arise, though  a further  review of how  the Alaska                                                               
Supreme  Court deals  with  conflict of  law  cases might  reveal                                                               
whether such  a mechanism  is actually  necessary with  regard to                                                               
potential conflicts with other Alaska laws.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALDWIN offered  his belief that Amendment 1,  as amended, is                                                               
negating  the provision  in the  Alaska Stranded  Gas Development                                                               
Act that  declares "it to be  a final agency action  when ... the                                                               
final  finding is  fine."   In response  to another  question, he                                                               
said that  the administration is  attempting to address  the ASGF                                                               
Contract and  the state's  obligation to  the co-parties  of that                                                               
proposed  agreement   to  expeditiously  resolve   the  "marquee"                                                               
constitutional  and  enforcement   issues  surrounding  the  ASGF                                                               
Contract.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  suggested, then,  that Amendment  1, as                                                               
amended,  ought  to  contain  language   that  defines  the  term                                                               
"contract" as used therein.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE pointed  out that the question of  whether to adopt                                                               
Amendment 1, as amended, is before the committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON indicated  that  she still  has a  concern                                                               
regarding the length of the statute of limitations period.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE  noted that  that  issue  could be  addressed  via                                                               
another amendment.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:54:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was  taken.  Representatives Coghill, Gruenberg,                                                               
and   Gara  voted   in  favor   of  Amendment   1,  as   amended.                                                               
Representatives  Anderson,   Wilson,  Kott,  and   McGuire  voted                                                               
against  it.   Therefore, Amendment  1, as  amended, failed  by a                                                               
vote of 3-4.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE indicated that HB 2002  would be held over to allow                                                               
members time to draft further proposed amendments.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The House Judiciary Standing Committee was recessed at 1:55 p.m.                                                                
to a call of the chair.  [The meeting was never reconvened.]                                                                    

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