Legislature(2017 - 2018)GRUENBERG 120

02/09/2018 01:00 PM JUDICIARY

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 316 RESTRICT ACCESS MARIJUANA CRIME RECORDS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
-- Public Testimony --
*+ HB 315 CONFIDENTIALITY OF ANIMAL & CROP RECORDS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 129 FISH & GAME: OFFENSES;LICENSES;PENALTIES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 129(JUD) Out of Committee
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 9, 2018                                                                                        
                           1:01 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins, Acting Vice Chair                                                                       
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative David Eastman                                                                                                    
Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                       
Representative Louise Stutes (alternate)                                                                                        
Representative Charisse Millett (alternate)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Zach Fansler, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Lora Reinbold                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 129                                                                                                              
"An  Act   relating  to  sport  fishing,   hunting,  or  trapping                                                               
licenses,  tags, or  permits; relating  to penalties  for certain                                                               
sport   fishing,  hunting,   and  trapping   license  violations;                                                               
relating  to  restrictions  on the  issuance  of  sport  fishing,                                                               
hunting, and trapping licenses;  creating violations and amending                                                               
fines  and  restitution  for  certain  fish  and  game  offenses;                                                               
creating  an exemption  from payment  of restitution  for certain                                                               
unlawful  takings of  big game  animals;  relating to  commercial                                                               
fishing  violations; allowing  lost federal  matching funds  from                                                               
the  Pittman  -  Robertson,  Dingell -  Johnson/Wallop  -  Breaux                                                               
programs  to be  included in  an order  of restitution;  adding a                                                               
definition of  'electronic form'; and providing  for an effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 129(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 315                                                                                                              
"An Act  relating to  the confidentiality  of certain  records on                                                               
animals and crops; and providing for an effective date."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 316                                                                                                              
"An  Act  relating  to  the sealing  of  certain  court  records;                                                               
restricting the publication of certain  records of convictions on                                                               
a  publicly available  website; relating  to public  records; and                                                               
amending Rule 37.6, Alaska Rules of Administration."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING CANCELED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 129                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: FISH & GAME: OFFENSES;LICENSES;PENALTIES                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/15/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/15/17       (H)       RES, JUD                                                                                               
03/29/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/29/17       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/29/17       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
03/31/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
03/31/17       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
04/03/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/03/17       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/03/17       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/05/17       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/05/17       (H)       Moved CSHB 129(RES) Out of Committee                                                                   
04/05/17       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/07/17       (H)       RES RPT CS(RES) 6DP 3NR                                                                                
04/07/17       (H)       DP: BIRCH, PARISH, WESTLAKE, DRUMMOND,                                                                 
                        TARR, JOSEPHSON                                                                                         
04/07/17       (H)       NR: TALERICO, JOHNSON, RAUSCHER                                                                        
01/29/18       (H)       JUD AT 1:30 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
01/29/18       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
01/29/18       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
01/31/18       (H)       JUD AT 1:30 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
01/31/18       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/05/18       (H)       JUD AT 1:30 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
02/05/18       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/05/18       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
02/07/18       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
02/07/18       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/07/18       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
02/09/18       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 315                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CONFIDENTIALITY OF ANIMAL & CROP RECORDS                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/26/18       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/26/18       (H)       JUD, RES                                                                                               
02/09/18       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
NOAH STARR, Staff                                                                                                               
Representative Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  During the hearing of CSHB 129, answered                                                                 
questions regarding Amendment 1.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE DALE, Director                                                                                                            
Division of Wildlife Conservation                                                                                               
Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G)                                                                                             
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  During the hearing of CSHB 129, answered                                                                 
questions regarding Amendment 3.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR BERNARD CHASTAIN, Deputy Director                                                                                         
Division of Alaska Wildlife Troopers                                                                                            
Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  During the hearing of CSHB 129, answered                                                                 
questions regarding Amendment 3.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
NATALIE WEBER, Regulations Program Coordinator                                                                                  
Division of Wildlife Conservation                                                                                               
Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                               
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  During the hearing of CSHB 129, answered                                                                 
questions regarding Amendment 3.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINA CARPENTER, Director                                                                                                   
Division of Environmental Health                                                                                                
Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  During the hearing of HB 315, presented a                                                                
PowerPoint presentation titled, "HB 315: Confidentiality of                                                                     
Animal and Crop Records" and answered questions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. BOB GERLACH                                                                                                                 
State Veterinarian                                                                                                              
Division of Environmental Health                                                                                                
Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  During the  hearing of HB 315, testified and                                                             
answered questions.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BRYCE WRIGLEY                                                                                                                   
Alaska Farm Bureau                                                                                                              
Delta Junction, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:   During the hearing of HB  315, testified in                                                             
support of the legislation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR KEYES, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Agriculture                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   During  the hearing  of  HB 315,  answered                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER CURRIE, Senior Assistant Attorney General                                                                              
Environmental Section                                                                                                           
Department of Law (DOL)                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   During  the hearing  of  HB 513,  answered                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:01:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MATT  CLAMAN called the House  Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at 1:01  p.m. Representatives  Claman, Eastman,                                                               
Stutes  (alternate  for Representative  Fansler),  Kreiss-Tomkins                                                               
(acting  as Vice  Chair),  were  present at  the  call to  order.                                                               
Representatives    Kopp,   LeDoux,    Millett   (alternate    for                                                               
Representative Reinbold) arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        HB 129-FISH & GAME: OFFENSES;LICENSES;PENALTIES                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:02:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO.  129, "An Act relating to  sport fishing, hunting,                                                               
or  trapping licenses,  tags, or  permits; relating  to penalties                                                               
for  certain   sport  fishing,  hunting,  and   trapping  license                                                               
violations;  relating to  restrictions on  the issuance  of sport                                                               
fishing, hunting, and trapping  licenses; creating violations and                                                               
amending  fines  and  restitution   for  certain  fish  and  game                                                               
offenses; creating  an exemption from payment  of restitution for                                                               
certain  unlawful  takings  of  big  game  animals;  relating  to                                                               
commercial  fishing violations;  allowing  lost federal  matching                                                               
funds from  the Pittman -  Robertson, Dingell -  Johnson/Wallop -                                                               
Breaux  programs  to be  included  in  an order  of  restitution;                                                               
adding a  definition of 'electronic  form'; and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  advised that subsequent  to the meeting  of 2/7/18,                                                               
the  Department  of  Administration (DOA)  submitted  an  updated                                                               
indeterminate fiscal note.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:03:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS   moved  to  adopt   Amendment  1,                                                               
Version 30-GH1687\D.1, Bullard, 1/30/18, which read as follows:                                                                 
     Page 5, line 14, following "subsection":                                                                                   
          Insert ", as adjusted for inflation as provided                                                                   
     in (d) of this section,"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, line 27:                                                                                                           
          Delete "a new subsection"                                                                                             
          Insert "new subsections"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, following line 3:                                                                                                  
          Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                      
          "(d)  Beginning July 1, 2023, and every five                                                                          
     years thereafter, the  department shall recalculate and                                                                    
     update by  regulation the restitution  amounts provided                                                                    
     in (b) of  this section to adjust  for inflation, based                                                                    
     on a formula  provided by the Department of   Labor and                                                                    
     Workforce  Development, reflecting  the  change in  the                                                                    
     Consumer  Price Index  for  the Anchorage  metropolitan                                                                    
     area  compiled  by  the  Bureau  of  Labor  Statistics,                                                                    
     United  States  Department  of Labor,  rounded  to  the                                                                    
     nearest $50 increment."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 7, line 13:                                                                                                           
          Delete "2017"                                                                                                         
          Insert "2018"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:03:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS advised  that Amendment  1 adjusts                                                               
the  restitution amounts  within  CSHB 129,  which are  belatedly                                                               
adjusted for  inflation after  30-odd years,  to be  adjusted for                                                               
inflation every 5-years, out into  the future.  Thereby, he said,                                                               
the  amounts  will  keep  pace  with  economics  and  not  become                                                               
outdated as they have, which has  been part of the cause for "the                                                               
meat of this bill."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:04:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  noted   that  the  amendment  references                                                               
"based on a formula" and requested a description of the formula.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS opined  that the  formula is  that                                                               
which  the Department  of Labor  &  Workforce Development  (DLWD)                                                               
uses to calculates inflation every year.   While he does not know                                                               
the inputs to  the formula, he said  he does know that  this is a                                                               
metric  used  in  law  for many  of  the  state's  administrative                                                               
functions, and he described it as a "common CPI formula."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:05:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked  whether there is a cap  on how high                                                               
these fees could be raised based on the formula.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  responded that he did  not believe                                                               
there was a  cap because consumer price increase (CPI)  over a 5-                                                               
year  period  is  approximately   4.5  percent,  the  restitution                                                               
amounts would increase  4.5 percent.  He opined  that there would                                                               
not  be anything  that limits  the amount  the restitution  would                                                               
increase because it would be  tied to inflation, and if inflation                                                               
runs  away, the  corresponding increase  would also  be there  as                                                               
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:06:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked whether his reading  was correct in                                                               
that this formula  says, "$25 and a penny" and  that will bump it                                                               
up to a $50 increase.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:06:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NOAH  STARR, Staff,  Representative Kreiss-Tomkins,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  responded  that  it  would be  rounded  up  to  the                                                               
nearest $50 increment.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:07:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN commented  that his  initial thought  was                                                               
that this  deals with  some fairly large  figures here  and there                                                               
could  be  fines up  to  $25,000,  even  without an  increase  in                                                               
inflation.    He offered  concern  that  if these  formulas  work                                                               
automatically, the legislature might be  lax in its attention and                                                               
it may go  even longer than the 30-years.   Potentially, he said,                                                               
there could  be large  fees that  the legislature  should approve                                                               
before the fees go into effect.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:08:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP offered concern  for Amendment 1, noting that                                                               
for  any  type of  bail  schedule  or  fee schedule  printing  or                                                               
training, the more those issues  can be standardized and stay the                                                               
same is certainly  better from an enforcement  perspective or, in                                                               
this case,  a restitution  perspective.   Secondly, he  said, the                                                               
numbers  amended with  this bill  have  not been  amended for  at                                                               
least  two decades  or  longer, and  the  department offered  the                                                               
committee a number it believed  would be reflective, not just for                                                               
5-years,  but this  would be  "good  to go"  for some  time.   He                                                               
opined that  it would take  some of the  fluidity out of  the law                                                               
and make  it easier  to track  over time,  both from  a training,                                                               
printing,  and updating  method if  the legislation  was left  as                                                               
presented to the committee by the department.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:10:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES removed her objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:10:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken.   Representatives  Kreiss-Tomkins,                                                               
LeDoux,  Stutes, and  Claman voted  in favor  of the  adoption of                                                               
Amendment  1,  Version   30-GH1687\D.1.    Representatives  Kopp,                                                               
Millett, and  Eastman voted against  it.  Therefore,  Amendment 1                                                               
was adopted by a vote of 4-3.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:11:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX moved  to adopt  Amendment 2,  Version 30-                                                               
GH1687\D.5, Bullard, 2/8/18, which read as follows:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 31, through page 3, line 2:                                                                                   
          Delete "as provided in AS 12.55 [BY A FINE OF NOT                                                                 
     MORE THAN $1,000, OR BY IMPRISONMENT FOR NOT MORE THAN                                                                     
     SIX MONTHS, OR BY BOTH]"                                                                                                   
          Insert  "by  a  fine   of  not  more  than  $5,000                                                                
     [$1,000],  or by  imprisonment for  not  more than  six                                                                    
     months, or by both"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, lines 12 - 14:                                                                                                     
          Delete "punishable as provided  in AS 12.55 [, AND                                                                
     UPON CONVICTION  IS PUNISHABLE  BY A  FINE OF  NOT MORE                                                                    
     THAN $5,000, OR  BY IMPRISONMENT FOR NOT  MORE THAN ONE                                                                    
     YEAR, OR BY BOTH]"                                                                                                         
          Insert ",  and [UPON CONVICTION] is  punishable by                                                                    
     a  fine  of  not  more than  $10,000  [$5,000],  or  by                                                                
     imprisonment for not more than one year, or by both"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, lines 9 - 11:                                                                                                      
          Delete "[AND,  UPON CONVICTION, IS]  punishable as                                                                
     provided in AS 12.55  [BY A FINE OF NOT  LESS THAN $100                                                                
     NOR MORE THAN $500]"                                                                                                       
          Insert "and [, UPON  CONVICTION,] is punishable by                                                                    
     a  fine of  not less  than  $100 nor  more than  $1,000                                                                
     [$500]"                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, lines 25 - 27:                                                                                                     
          Delete  "[AND   IS]  punishable  as   provided  in                                                                
     AS 12.55 [BY  IMPRISONMENT FOR NOT  MORE THAN  ONE YEAR                                                                
     OR BY A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN $5,000, OR BY BOTH]"                                                                         
          Insert "and is punishable  by imprisonment for not                                                                    
     more  than one  year  or by  a fine  of  not more  than                                                                    
     $10,000 [$5,000], or by both"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 7, lines 2 - 5:                                                                                                       
          Delete "[,  AND UPON CONVICTION IS]  punishable as                                                                
     provided  in AS 12.55  [BY  IMPRISONMENT  FOR NOT  MORE                                                                
     THAN SIX MONTHS, OR BY A  FINE OF NOT MORE THAN $1,000,                                                                    
     OR BY BOTH]"                                                                                                               
          Insert ",  and [UPON CONVICTION] is  punishable by                                                                    
     imprisonment  for not  more than  six months,  or by  a                                                                    
     fine of not more than $5,000 [$1,000], or by both"                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:11:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  advised  that   the  $25,000  figure  the                                                               
department changed  for misdemeanors,  appeared to  be a  bit too                                                               
high  for misdemeanors.   Particularly,  she offered,  when these                                                               
are  misdemeanors against  the people  that the  department would                                                               
probably be able to collect money, so she changed the amount.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:11:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked  what is the highest  fee that would                                                               
be assessed under Amendment 2.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX responded  that the  highest fee  assessed                                                               
under the amendment would be $10,000.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:12:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  asked  whether  Representative  LeDoux  had                                                               
received  any  feedback  from the  Alaska  Wildlife  Troopers  or                                                               
anyone else regarding Amendment 2.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX answered  that she had not,  and added that                                                               
the administration,  when going  over this  bill with  her office                                                               
staff, did not mention the change  from ... "that there was going                                                               
to be a now $25,000 fine."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:13:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN   commented  that  he   understands  Representative                                                               
LeDoux's concern  in that  if there is  a potential  $25,000 fine                                                               
limit on a  class A misdemeanor, the folks charged  with fish and                                                               
wildlife violations  may be one of  the small number of  folks in                                                               
the state  being fined at that  higher level.  From  his personal                                                               
experience  in dealing  with  a few  fish  and wildlife  criminal                                                               
cases over the years, those cases  tend to be plea negotiated and                                                               
worked out  in advance, he advised.   In that regard,  he did not                                                               
see  much potential  in someone  would receiving  a $25,000  fine                                                               
that "they  didn't actually  decide was  their choice  to embrace                                                               
for a variety  of reasons."  He  added that he likes  the idea of                                                               
greater uniformity  in the statute  rather than  many exceptions.                                                               
While,  he understands  the concerns,  he  will be  a no-vote  on                                                               
Amendment 2 even though it is  an important issue and he was glad                                                               
it was before the committee, he commented.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:14:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES removed  her  objection.   There being  no                                                               
objection, Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:15:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  moved to  adopt Amendment 3,  Version 30-                                                               
GH1687\D.4, Bullard, 2/8/18, which read as follows:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 26:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
        "* Sec. 4. AS 16.05.340(a)(6) is amended to read:                                                                   
               (6) Resident hunting, trapping, and sport                                                                        
     fishing license .................. 75;                                                                                     
               (A) however, the fee is $5 for an applicant                                                                      
     who has an annual                                                                                                          
     family or  household income equal  to or less  than the                                                                    
     most  recent poverty  guidelines for  the state  set by                                                                    
     the  United  States  Department  of  Health  and  Human                                                                    
     Services for the year preceding application;                                                                               
               (B) a person paying $5 for a resident                                                                            
     hunting,  trapping,  and  sport fishing  license  shall                                                                
     [MUST]   provide  proof   of  eligibility   under  this                                                                    
     paragraph  when purchasing  [REQUESTED BY]  the license                                                            
     [DEPARTMENT]."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:16:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN referred to  the handout received from the                                                               
department   regarding   the   numbers   from   2017,   [document                                                               
unavailable],  depicting that  approximately [18,594]  low-income                                                               
licenses were sold  in Alaska.  The difference  between a regular                                                               
license and  a low-income license  is that  it moves from  $94 to                                                               
$5,  with  a $90  difference.    He  remarked  that a  number  of                                                               
concerns were raised over the  fact that there is no verification                                                               
for this $90 license discount,  where basically, a person goes to                                                               
a clerk at  Walmart and requests a low-income  hunting or fishing                                                               
license   wherein  the   person's   signature  represents   their                                                               
qualification,  and they  pay $5.   There  is no  verification to                                                               
that process resulting in a  of significant amount of revenue not                                                               
going  to  the state.    The  concerns  are  that much  of  those                                                               
discounts  are given  to people  who do  not qualify  and because                                                               
there  is no  verification at  the time  of purchase,  the Alaska                                                               
State Troopers  are required  to follow up  with questions  as to                                                               
how  they qualify,  which  puts a  burden on  the  troopers.   He                                                               
suggested that  if the  verification was  in place,  the troopers                                                               
would  not have  to follow  up  with questions.   This  amendment                                                               
encourages  the   department  to   ensure  that  there   is  some                                                               
verification  which   could  be   as  simple  as   showing  their                                                               
Supplemental Nutrition  Assistance Program  (SNAP) card  or proof                                                               
of SNAP eligibility  to the clerk when purchasing  a license, and                                                               
significantly reduce  the number  of licenses  sold fraudulently.                                                               
Currently, he said,  the revenue that was lost  if "we're talking                                                               
about people paying  the full price," was over  $1.6 million last                                                               
year.   Except, he advised, it  is actually a much  larger number                                                               
because for  every dollar spent  on hunting or  fishing licenses,                                                               
the  state  receives a  3-to-1  federal  match.   Therefore,  the                                                               
amount  of the  foregone  revenue  for the  state  last year  was                                                               
actually over $6.6  million if those licenses  had been purchased                                                               
at the  full price.   While, he  said, the legislature  does want                                                               
people to continue  to qualify for the low-income  $5 license, it                                                               
is important  they verify  that they  actually do  qualify rather                                                               
than simply being on the honor system.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:19:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT  referred   to  Representative  Eastman's                                                               
testimony that  verifying a  license was a  burden to  the Alaska                                                               
State  Troopers and  asked whether  he had  anything to  show the                                                               
committee with which the troopers report that it is a burden.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN advised  that his  office was  in contact                                                               
with some of the troopers and  the policy is that if the troopers                                                               
encounter  a  low-income  license,   they  are  required  to  ask                                                               
questions  and  determine  whether  the  person  qualifies.    He                                                               
acknowledged that it is not  an exhaustive investigation, but the                                                               
troopers are required to "probe a little bit."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:20:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT  referred   to  Representative  Eastman's                                                               
testimony that there  seems to be fraud and asked  whether he had                                                               
any evidence of fraud, and where he received that information.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  answered  that currently  there  are  no                                                               
verifications so there  is no way of demonstrating  the amount of                                                               
fraud that takes  place, "but we do hear from  a number of people                                                               
that those licenses are oftentimes being abused."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:20:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP asked Representative  Eastman to describe the                                                               
sufficient  proof of  eligibility  when  purchasing a  low-income                                                               
license at Fred Meyer, and other entities.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN replied that  currently, the Department of                                                               
Health and Social  Services (DHSS) ensures that  people match the                                                               
income eligibility for  various state programs.   In that regard,                                                               
he said,  if a person  qualifies under  one of those  programs it                                                               
would match the requirement for verification.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:21:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  referred to a  person eligible for  a SNAP                                                               
card, and  asked whether their income  must be equal to,  or less                                                               
than, the  most recent  poverty guidelines,  or whether  they are                                                               
eligible if they are over the poverty guidelines.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  answered that  the limits on  poverty are                                                               
established  federally, and  usually the  state establishes  some                                                               
percentage based on those federal  poverty guidelines that change                                                               
from time to time.  In the  event a person qualifies for the SNAP                                                               
program, he opined  that the person is "pretty  close to whatever                                                               
income requirements  you're signing off on  from the department."                                                               
He  commented that  this is  a good  question and,  following the                                                               
passage of Amendment 3, he would  like to see the department give                                                               
some attention  that issue to  verify the information  is current                                                               
and that it actually matches.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN listed  the  individuals on  line  from the  Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G) available to testify.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:23:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked what sort  of burden this  might put                                                               
on  the  vendors because  it  sounds  like  a  good idea.    When                                                               
purchasing a  license, there should  be some requirement  to show                                                               
the  applicant is  low-income, and  she does  not want  to overly                                                               
burden the vendors, she said.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN advised  that the folks from the  Department of Fish                                                               
& Game (ADF&G) could respond.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:24:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN  asked whether  18,594  licenses  were received  in                                                               
2017.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN answered in the affirmative.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  (audio difficulties) person paying  $5 must provide                                                               
proof of eligibility  under this paragraph when  requested by the                                                               
department.   He  asked  whether it  was the  ADF&G  and not  the                                                               
person at the Walmart counter.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN answered in the affirmative.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:25:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE   DALE,  Director,   Division  of   Wildlife  Conservation,                                                               
Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G),  said he could speak to part                                                               
of Representative LeDoux's question,  but Major Chastain would be                                                               
a  better person  to respond.    In terms  of the  burden on  the                                                               
vendor,  currently  they  have  to sign  that  "they  accept  the                                                               
license"  (audio  difficulties.)     He  explained  that  showing                                                               
verification would  not be a  great burden on the  vendor because                                                               
it  would  be  similar  to  the  hunter  showing  their  driver's                                                               
license.   The suitable  piece of verification  would have  to be                                                               
clear  and standardized  so  there was  no  mistaking the  proper                                                               
verifications and the improper verifications,  he stressed.  Many                                                               
people purchase  through e-vendors online and  those people would                                                               
have to  click a certification box  or they would not  be able to                                                               
purchase online.   He  then deferred  to Major  Bernard Chastain,                                                               
Department of Public Safety (DPS).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:27:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX asked  whether there  would be  any online                                                               
purchase  verifications  that  the applicant  actually  did  fall                                                               
under  the poverty  line, other  than a  mere certification  box.                                                               
She further asked whether a SNAP  card has a number on it wherein                                                               
each person could input their SNAP number.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DALE  said was not  familiar with what  is on the  SNAP card,                                                               
and  that  the  ADF&G  would  need  to  modify  its  programs  to                                                               
accommodate that entry  of verification.  He  explained that when                                                               
the  applicant buys  their license,  they sign  and certify  that                                                               
they do meet the criteria for the $5 license.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:29:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX recalled a Senate  election a few years ago                                                               
wherein  one  of  the  candidates, who  had  graduated  from  law                                                               
school, had one of these licenses.   She opined that there is the                                                               
possibility of fraud  when a person does not have  to provide any                                                               
proof of eligibility  when purchasing the license,  and it leaves                                                               
a big loop hole.   She asked how much it would  cost the ADF&G to                                                               
change its program if Amendment 3 were adopted.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DALE advised  that he could not answer that  question at this                                                               
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  Major Bernard  Chastain  whether, under  the                                                               
state's current statutory  scheme, in the event  he was qualified                                                               
for  the low-income  license he  would have  the three  following                                                               
choices:  show  proof of  eligibility  at  a Division  of  Alaska                                                               
Wildlife Troopers office; go online and  check a box that said he                                                               
was  eligible for  this discounted  license; or  go to  an entity                                                               
that  sold licenses  and  simply  check the  box  stating he  was                                                               
eligible.     He  asked  whether,   under  this   amendment,  all                                                               
applicants would have to show proof of eligibility.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:30:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  BERNARD  CHASTAIN,  Deputy Director,  Division  of  Alaska                                                               
Wildlife Troopers,  Department of Public Safety  (DPS), responded                                                               
that currently, there  is an affidavit on the back  of the vendor                                                               
copy  of the  license requiring  the applicant  to sign  claiming                                                               
they qualify  for the  reasons set  in statute.   The  passage of                                                               
"the fish  and game bill last  year" removed a portion  out of AS                                                               
16.05.340  and  it  read  that  someone  would  qualify  if  they                                                               
received something "to  aid indigent."  He  referred to Amendment                                                               
3,  [Version D.4,  AS  16.05.340(a)(6), page  1,  lines 4-8]  and                                                               
advised  that the  person must  at  least meet  below the  recent                                                               
poverty guidelines set by the  United States Department of Health                                                               
and  Human Services  and, he  opined, it  is a  poverty guideline                                                               
based  upon income.    He explained  that as  far  as the  actual                                                               
enforcement  of   the  statute,  when  an   applicant  signs  the                                                               
affidavit on the  back of the license claiming  they qualify, the                                                               
actual crime  is false  statement on a  license application.   He                                                               
pointed out that showing proof  of qualification would require an                                                               
applicant  to show  proof  that  they qualified  at  the time  of                                                               
purchase to  whomever is  the vendor,  which would  include Chair                                                               
Claman's  examples, as  well as  checking a  box online  claiming                                                               
they qualify.   Although, he  remarked, there would  be potential                                                               
problems with the  online purchases of licenses  in that scenario                                                               
because the  applicant would  not actually  be showing  proof and                                                               
would simply check  a box and sign the license  when they receive                                                               
it.  There  would be some question about what  the proof would be                                                               
when someone came  in to purchase the license,  and what document                                                               
they  would have  to  have to  show that  they  actually met  the                                                               
poverty guidelines, he said.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:33:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  commented that she  did not know  how many                                                               
years this program had been in  existence and asked the number of                                                               
people   that  had   been  prosecuted   when  offering   improper                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  CHASTAIN  responded  that  he  does  not  have  the  exact                                                               
numbers, but the division successfully  prosecutes people who are                                                               
not honest  on these types  of licenses each year.   It is  not a                                                               
burden  for the  Alaska  Wildlife Troopers  because they  already                                                               
check licenses  in the field  for this situation, and  for people                                                               
who claim  false residency.   While  he does  not have  the exact                                                               
number of people cited and  prosecuted each year, it does include                                                               
an investigation into whether the person qualifies.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:34:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  asked the  sort  of  questions an  Alaska                                                               
Wildlife Troopers may  ask someone when suspicious,  how does the                                                               
trooper determine whether someone met  that standard, or at least                                                               
met that standard when purchasing the license.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN  answered that  the troopers  ask a  few questions                                                               
when  suspicious to  determine  whether they  need  to conduct  a                                                               
further investigation  into a  potential crime.   For  example, a                                                               
trooper may  ask, "How do you  qualify for this license,"  and if                                                               
the person says they qualify  because they fall below the federal                                                               
poverty guidelines, "we're  done."  In the event  the person does                                                               
not know  how they  qualify for  that license,  there might  be a                                                               
further investigation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:35:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked for  clarification that  even though                                                               
the person is outfitted in expensive  gear, if a trooper asks how                                                               
they  qualify for  a  license and  they say  they  are under  the                                                               
federal poverty guideline, "that's it?"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN replied  that it depends upon the  totality of the                                                               
situation, if  the troopers are  suspicious of the answer  in any                                                               
manner,  there  may  be  a  further  investigation  to  determine                                                               
whether they qualify.   He offered that one way  to determine the                                                               
person's qualification  is how much  income they make in  a year,                                                               
which  requires   more  investigation   because  it   includes  a                                                               
household income.  In this  situation, there may be other factors                                                               
to  consider, such  as  a  spouse or  other  people  living in  a                                                               
household  that  would  meet  that  qualification  to  meet  this                                                               
statute, he said.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:37:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX opined that  she thought Major Chastain had                                                               
testified  that they  ask the  person  how they  qualify for  the                                                               
reduce  rate  and if  they  say  they  meet the  federal  poverty                                                               
guidelines  "that's it."   She  asked  whether she  misunderstood                                                               
Major Chastain  statement because  now it  appears he  is talking                                                               
about  the totality  of the  circumstances  which seems  somewhat                                                               
different than if the person  says they met the income standards,                                                               
they are finished.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN acknowledged that he  did say that because this is                                                               
a  sensitive issue  when it  comes to  asking people  about their                                                               
household income.   In these  situations, the troopers  have been                                                               
directed  to use  their law  enforcement experience  to determine                                                               
whether  someone was  being truthful,  and many  factors go  into                                                               
that decision.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN commented  that one would hope if a  person drove up                                                               
in a  fancy new boat  with a brand-new  engine and had  a poverty                                                               
license, the trooper would be skeptical.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:38:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  asked  whether   this  is  a  significant                                                               
problem for the Department of Public Safety (DPS).                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN answered that the DPS  does not have many of these                                                               
problems per year,  although he does not have  the exact numbers.                                                               
He added that  the troopers deal far  more with residency-related                                                               
cases than in low-income licenses.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:39:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES   referred  to   Representative  Eastman's                                                               
statement  that he  had "several  complaints" and  asked who  had                                                               
offered  these  complaints  because  Representative  Eastman  had                                                               
arbitrarily said  that this is a  problem.  She pointed  out that                                                               
this  issue  did not  sound  like  it  really was  a  significant                                                               
problem.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN advised that it  is a difficult problem to                                                               
measure because  when measuring prosecutions there  are not many.                                                               
The problem becomes, how to get  to the level of prosecution when                                                               
the state is basically taking  someone's honor that they qualify.                                                               
He advised that the concerns brought  to him from some members of                                                               
the department "anecdotally saying that  they do believe this is,                                                               
in fact, a significant problem, and others as well."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:40:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   STUTES  asked   to  which   department  he   was                                                               
referring.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  responded, "I was  specifically referring                                                               
to conversations I've had, in some cases, Public Safety.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:40:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT asked  Major  Chastain  how difficult  it                                                               
would be  to change the  application because currently,  there is                                                               
an affidavit  to sign  and attest  to the  truth of  "what you're                                                               
applying for"  as far  as residency, and  she assumed  that would                                                               
work for income verification levels.   She asked what type of re-                                                               
tooling would be necessary for the department to make this work.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  CHASTAIN  deferred  to  the  Department  of  Fish  &  Game                                                               
(ADF&G).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DALE deferred to Natalie Weber.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:42:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NATALIE  WEBER,  Regulations  Program  Coordinator,  Division  of                                                               
Wildlife  Conservation,  Department  of   Fish  &  Game  (ADF&G),                                                               
responded  that  there  are  a couple  of  different  options  if                                                               
modifying its software to implement  this change, as follows: the                                                               
first  change would  be dependent  upon access  to an  electronic                                                               
database of  annual gross  income amounts  - possibly  a database                                                               
managed by another  department - under that  scenario the license                                                               
would be issued electronically by  "our electronic" vendor system                                                               
or  the  internet, and  it  would  basically  be used  to  verify                                                               
eligibility, and  the issuance of a  license would be based  on a                                                               
positive  match  with  the  database; and  absent  access  to  an                                                               
electronic  database, actual  staff  would be  required to  match                                                               
whatever information the customer provided  with one of the other                                                               
agencies responsible  for maintaining  that list.   She commented                                                               
that there would  definitely be issues to  work through; however,                                                               
it could be accomplished.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:43:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLETT  referred   to  Representative  Eastman's                                                               
testimony that for  those falsely claiming to  be low-income, the                                                               
state  was  losing matching  fund  dollars.   She  requested  the                                                               
actual formula for fishing licenses, and how that works.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. WEBER  advised that  the license dollars  are eligible  for a                                                               
federal match  and if this money  does not go to  the department,                                                               
ADF&G loses out on the federal match dollars as a result.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  asked that in the  event Amendment                                                               
3 was adopted, what was the  likelihood this bill would receive a                                                               
fiscal  note  in  order  to implement  the  online  component  of                                                               
Amendment 3, within the various scenarios she had described.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WEBER said  that she  could not  answer that  question right                                                               
now.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS  asked  whether  costs  or  fiscal                                                               
impacts  would  be involved  in  the  database matching  she  had                                                               
described.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. WEBER deferred to Mr. Dale.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:45:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DALE answered that there would  be a small fiscal note but he                                                               
was  unsure  whether the  small  cost  would actually  require  a                                                               
fiscal note  because the department  is in the process  of making                                                               
some of  those software  changes and this  would be  another task                                                               
added to  those efforts.  The  other factors in terms  of cost to                                                               
consider is,  if the burden  of proof  that was required  was not                                                               
clear  enough,  or  it  was  varied in  its  manner,  that  would                                                               
probably be a burden to the purchaser.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
It  might   also  preclude  the   folks  at  the   stores  (audio                                                               
difficulties)  vendors,  and if  these  licenses  cannot be  sold                                                               
through  vendors,  the  people  would probably  opt  out  of  the                                                               
system.  He  offered that the department has  always preferred to                                                               
make the  licenses as assessible  as possible so people  could be                                                               
in the system, the department  could manage the resources better,                                                               
and that they rely on the Alaska State Troopers for enforcement.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:47:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KREISS-TOMKINS  described   that   one  of   the                                                               
scenarios  would  be  cross-referencing the  databases  of  gross                                                               
income  in  order to  determine  whether  people were  below  the                                                               
poverty  line.   He  asked  whether  such  a database  exists  in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DALE  replied that  he was  certain that  "neither of  us can                                                               
answer that."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  asked whether he was  aware of the                                                               
existence of such a database.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DALE answered that he was not aware of such a database.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:48:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  referred to the  18,594 low-income                                                               
licenses  sold  and  asked the  total  number  of  non-low-income                                                               
licenses sold in calendar year 2017 for resident licenses.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DALE  offered that he  did not  know the number  off-hand and                                                               
opined that there were 140,000 total licenses.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WEBER responded  that  she  did not  have  the 2017  license                                                               
information with her; however, the  department website cites that                                                               
for  resident  hunting licenses  there  were  upwards of  300,000                                                               
issued in 2016.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS  commented  that  "a  spreadsheet"                                                               
[handed  to  Representative  Kreiss-Tomkins  from  the  committee                                                               
aide]  indicated  that  the  number   was  just  shy  of  200,000                                                               
residential licenses.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:50:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   MILLETT  referred   to  the   18,594  low-income                                                               
licenses figure  and asked whether  it was Mr. Dale's  view there                                                               
is  widespread abuse  on  this program  because  it sounded  like                                                               
there could be  some money the Department of Fish  & Game (ADF&G)                                                               
could use.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DALE  answered that he  does not believe there  is widespread                                                               
abuse due  to his personal experiences  and distributing (indisc)                                                               
licenses in  rural Alaska and occasionally  in Fairbanks, "awhile                                                               
back."  He  offered that he does not believe  most people want to                                                               
cheat and  they certainly do  not want to necessarily  brag about                                                               
their low-income, but there are no statistics.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:51:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN  pointed   out  that  the  maker   of  Amendment  3                                                               
testified, without naming  names, that he was told  by the Alaska                                                               
Wildlife Troopers this is a  problem.  Chair Claman asked whether                                                               
it was  the department's perspective  that abuse is a  problem in                                                               
terms  of  people taking  advantage  of  the low-income  hunting,                                                               
fishing, and trapping license option.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. DALE  responded that he is  only able to present  his opinion                                                               
because he  did not  ask for  the statistics  and stated  that he                                                               
does  not believe  abuse  is widespread,  as  Major Chastain  had                                                               
testified to  earlier, and  that falsifying  residency is  a much                                                               
larger problem.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:52:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLETT  commented that Amendment 3  is reasonable                                                               
because low-income folks do  have verification readily available,                                                               
whether it  is low income  certificates, SNAP card, WIC  card, or                                                               
reduced grocery  certificates.  She asked  whether this amendment                                                               
is broad  enough that the  department could write  the regulation                                                               
and  give it  the  authority  to accept  various  forms of  those                                                               
significant verifications.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:54:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX commented  that, while  she would  like to                                                               
believe most people  are honest, she believes it  helps people to                                                               
be  honest when  they  have to  provide  verification with  their                                                               
statements.   She  said that  she suspects  people probably  take                                                               
advantage of the program whether  or not the abuse is widespread,                                                               
and to write  a regulation wherein the vendors  simply review the                                                               
verification.   She  commented that  in the  event someone  is to                                                               
receive a benefit,  there should be some proof  they are eligible                                                               
for that benefit.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:55:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES commented  that she  has a  difficult time                                                               
with  Amendment  3  because  she does  believe  most  people  are                                                               
honest, and that this is another  layer of bureaucracy.  She then                                                               
compared it to  the some of the programs that  support people who                                                               
are clearly  able to work  and are  not working.   She reiterated                                                               
that she  has a  hard time  supporting Amendment  3, particularly                                                               
when the department believes it is not really a problem.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:56:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  commented that he was  unsure this                                                               
is a  problem that  requires a  solution.   He commented  that he                                                               
will speak  with some  of the  clerks around  his hometown  as to                                                               
their  impression whether  there is  a perception  of abuse.   He                                                               
acknowledged  that  he  was   unaware  that  low-income  licenses                                                               
existed in Alaska  which shows that "I live in  a hole" or people                                                               
are not  bragging about it  if they are  abusing the system.   He                                                               
pointed out  that he could  not see how  this could work  with an                                                               
online component,  and that  the online  eligibility verification                                                               
and  that non-existing  database needs  to be  flushed out  a bit                                                               
more  than  this  20  minutes   of  committee  discussion.    His                                                               
impression, he  offered, is  "maybe catching  ADF&G a  little bit                                                               
flat footed."   He related that  the policy mechanics need  to be                                                               
worked out, particularly  with the online side of  things, and he                                                               
would be a no-vote on Amendment 3.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:58:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  commented  that  he  supports  Amendment  3                                                               
because it is reasonable.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:58:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN commented  that  he  echoes Representative  Kreiss-                                                               
Tomkins  comments because  he  has real  concerns  as to  whether                                                               
abuse is a problem, and that  Amendment 3 is a solution in search                                                               
of a problem  that does not exist.  He  reminded the committee of                                                               
the  testimonies  from  the Alaska  Wildlife  Troopers  and  that                                                               
prosecutions   for  false   residency  takes   place  with   some                                                               
frequency.   He  noted  that  he is  troubled  by this  amendment                                                               
because it  puts the burden  on the people issuing  the licenses,                                                               
whether it is Walmart, Alaska  Mill and Feed, or different stores                                                               
specializing more in hunting and  fishing.  He noted that certain                                                               
vendors  have   expressed  unhappiness   with  the   new  federal                                                               
government requirements  put on folks selling  firearms, and "how                                                               
unhappy they  are feeling  like they are  policing this  deal for                                                               
purchasing firearms."   He said  that he  does not like  the idea                                                               
without having had  a more detailed vetting with  more input from                                                               
vendors  and the  department.   The department  itself says  that                                                               
this is  not a problem,  and the  director of the  department who                                                               
was actually involved in selling  hunting and fishing licenses in                                                               
Fairbanks  and the  rural communities,  does  not see  this as  a                                                               
problem.   For all those  reasons he cannot support  Amendment 3,                                                               
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:00:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN pointed  out  that the  price of  hunting                                                               
licenses increased to  $94, and opined that  when considering the                                                               
federal match,  even one person fraudulently  procuring a license                                                               
would cost  the state $356 in  revenue.  He described  that it is                                                               
an  uncomfortable situation  when a  trooper has  to ask  someone                                                               
about  their income,  and  by  requiring verification  alleviates                                                               
that discomfort in  not asking that question at  all.  Currently,                                                               
he  advised, military  veterans  must  provide verification  when                                                               
buying  a discount  license, albeit  it  for more  than just  one                                                               
year,  but it  is appropriate  that other  proof be  provided for                                                               
non-veterans as well.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES maintained her objection.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:01:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken.    Representatives Eastman,  Kopp,                                                               
LeDoux,  and  Millett  (alternate  for  Representative  Reinbold)                                                               
voted in favor  of the adoption of Amendment  3.  Representatives                                                               
Stutes (alternate  for Representative Fansler) voted  against it.                                                               
Therefore, Amendment 3 was adopted by a vote of 4-3.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:02:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP commended  Alaska  Wildlife Troopers,  Major                                                               
Chastain,  and the  other  staff that  brought  CSHB 129  forward                                                               
because  moving a  number of  these offenses  into the  violation                                                               
section,   not  only   deals  with   the  court's   resources  in                                                               
prosecuting  misdemeanors, but  it also  puts forward  meaningful                                                               
dollar  fines  and  reminders  that the  law  must  enforced  and                                                               
respected.   This legislation  will streamline  their operations,                                                               
save court  resources, keep accountability  at a higher  level in                                                               
the law,  and in the  case of  commercial fishing, it  will allow                                                               
the fishermen to get right back to fishing, he advised.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS said  he would  like to  associate                                                               
himself with Representative Kopp's comments.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:03:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN reminded  that  the  committee that  many                                                               
portions  in the  legislation deal  with  violations or  offenses                                                               
that do not involve any culpable  mental state, whether it was an                                                               
accident  or  on purpose,  it  makes  no  difference in  the  law                                                               
because the person  is still guilty of that offense.   He offered                                                               
concern especially when  dealing with fines of up  to $10,000 for                                                               
those folks who are not intentionally  doing wrong as maybe it is                                                               
their  first  visit to  Alaska  or  their first-time  hunting  or                                                               
fishing.   While  he thinks  the legislature  wants to  encourage                                                               
people to  do right and that  penalties are good, he  pointed out                                                               
that there  are so  many different portions  in this  bill "where                                                               
there  is   no  requirement  for  anyone,   law  enforcement,  or                                                               
otherwise" to demonstrate that it was intentional.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:05:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS  moved  to report  CSHB  129(RES),                                                               
Version 30-GH1687,  as amended, out of  committee with individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying fiscal notes.   There being                                                               
no  objection,  CSHB  129(JUD) moved  from  the  House  Judiciary                                                               
Standing Committee                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:05:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:05 p.m. to 2:10 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        HB 315-CONFIDENTIALITY OF ANIMAL & CROP RECORDS                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:10:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 315, "An  Act relating to the  confidentiality of                                                               
certain  records  on animals  and  crops;  and providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:10:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINA CARPENTER, Director,  Division of Environmental Health,                                                               
Department  of Environmental  Conservation (DEC),  turned to  the                                                               
PowerPoint  presentation  titled,  "HB  315:  Confidentiality  of                                                               
Animal and Crop Records," slide  1, and advised that the Division                                                               
of  Environmental  Health  worked  with  Governor  Bill  Walker's                                                               
office to  introduce HB  315 because  for at  least the  last 10-                                                               
years,  the division  has heard  from the  agricultural producers                                                               
that they  would like  the same level  of protection  provided to                                                               
other  commercial  industries.    This  protection  would  be  by                                                               
keeping  the  animal  importation   and  animal  testing  results                                                               
confidential.   This  legislation,  she  explained, would  afford                                                               
those  producers   the  same  protection  currently   offered  to                                                               
commercial fishermen, for example, the  Department of Fish & Game                                                               
(ADF&G) has  a similar statute.   This  bill amends AS  03.05 and                                                               
adds new sections  authorizing the records held by  Office of the                                                               
State  Veterinarian (OSV)  to  be  confidential, she  reiterated.                                                               
This  has  been a  coordinated  effort  with the  Departments  of                                                               
Environmental  Conservation   and  Natural  Resources,   and  she                                                               
advised  that  this  presentation   will  reference  the  records                                                               
contained  in  the Division  of  Environmental  Health, but  this                                                               
would also give  similar protection to the  Department of Natural                                                               
Resources (DNR),  Division of Agriculture,  who often  holds crop                                                               
testing records.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:12:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENTER turned  to slide 3, titled "HB  315: Need Overview"                                                               
and explained that farmers requested  this legislation because if                                                               
they  work  with  her  division  on  disease  issues,  that  that                                                               
information  may be  subject to  a public  records release.   The                                                               
division  views   this  as   an  agricultural   Health  Insurance                                                               
Portability  and Accountability  Act of  1996 (HIPAA),  and would                                                               
provide those testing  records and animal health  records held in                                                               
the division as confidential.   Therefore, this legislation would                                                               
be  more  protective of  public  health  because it  would  allow                                                               
producers to  engage with the  division early  on if there  was a                                                               
disease  outbreak or  a  morbidity event  in  which the  division                                                               
could respond.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENTER  then turned  the  presentation  over to  Dr.  Bob                                                               
Gerlach,  Alaska State  Veterinarian  regarding the  role of  his                                                               
office and the records the division is often responsible.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:14:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. BOB  GERLACH, State  Veterinarian, Division  of Environmental                                                               
Health,  Department of  Environmental Conservation  (DEC), turned                                                               
to  slide  4,  titled  "Office of  the  State  Veterinarian"  and                                                               
advised  that his  office is  to responsible  for the  following:                                                               
prevention,  control, and  eradication  of  diseases in  animals,                                                               
including  livestock  and pets;  safeguard  the  health and  food                                                               
production in the state; and  prevent public health issues.  Many                                                               
of  these functions  rely  on his  office  to gather  information                                                               
necessary to investigate an outbreak  of a disease and know where                                                               
the risks  are that are  involved with  the disease.   This would                                                               
include:  where  animals  are housed;  animal  movements;  animal                                                               
imports; animal  test records;  and provide  disease surveillance                                                               
records  to  show proof  of  concept,  or  proof of  the  state's                                                               
freedom from disease.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:15:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  GERLACH turned  to slide  5, titled  "Program Functions  and                                                               
Record  Examples,"  and advised  that  the  Office of  the  State                                                               
Veterinarian   (OVR)   maintains   reportable   disease   records                                                               
containing  reference data  from slaughter  plants, laboratories,                                                               
farms, and veterinarians.   He explained that  this slide depicts                                                               
some of its program functions,  and basically these are different                                                               
functions available  to collect the  data it needs  to understand                                                               
the risks  involved with diseases  in the state.   Many functions                                                               
related to  the animal input  records that OSV has  gathered data                                                               
from a health certificate, as  well as input records from animals                                                               
coming into the state which  provides animal inventories, disease                                                               
test records  for these animals,  origin, and destination  of the                                                               
animals, he  explained.  Therefore,  he offered, in the  event or                                                               
an  outbreak,  the  OSV  could determine  the  location  of  that                                                               
outbreak and where those animals  traveled to and from the state.                                                               
It   also  involves   reporting   of   morbidity  and   mortality                                                               
investigations that the  OSV may be involved in  with other state                                                               
agencies.   Many  of these  programs  are certification  programs                                                               
such as, the  dairy program and the produce  food safety program,                                                               
wherein if  a producer  wants to  enter a  market they  must meet                                                               
federal   requirements  and   provide   his   office  with   this                                                               
information and  provide testing information to  qualify and sell                                                               
their products.  He explained  that the Chronic Waste and Disease                                                               
Program  or  the  National   Poultry  Improvement  Plan  provides                                                               
certification for these producers to  show that the products they                                                               
are  producing are  free  of  disease, have  a  high standard  of                                                               
quality,  or validate  the  quality.   For  example, he  offered,                                                               
Grade  A milk  to  be sold  within the  state  requires proof  of                                                               
animal health  and proof  and verification  of food  safety being                                                               
produced.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:17:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH  turned to  slide 6,  titled "Alaska  Animal Imports:                                                               
OSV  Records," and  advised that  the slide  depicts some  of the                                                               
import records  OSV collects, and  verification of the  number of                                                               
imports associated  with the  number of  animals coming  into the                                                               
state.   The  slide illustrates  the  increase in  the amount  of                                                               
information  gathered  and  records  that OSV  maintains  as  the                                                               
farmers and  backyard operators  begin to  import animals  or own                                                               
animals  in the  state.    The Produce  Food  Safety Program  was                                                               
recently  created,  due  to  an   FDA  requirement,  wherein  OSV                                                               
collects  data and  information on  many agricultural  farms that                                                               
requires  the farmers  to provide  some  personal data,  business                                                               
data, and proprietary data.  He  noted that many other states are                                                               
gathering  this  same information  and  requiring  that state  to                                                               
address  this   issue  and  provide  protections   for  personal,                                                               
proprietary, and business data to  protect these individual farms                                                               
and businesses.   Except, he said, also allowing  release of that                                                               
data, when necessary,  to follow-up on an  investigation if there                                                               
is  an  outbreak,  determine  the source  of  the  outbreak,  and                                                               
perform  the  functions  of  which  the OSV  is  required.    For                                                               
example,  he  explained,  provide animal  health,  ensure  animal                                                               
health, protect  public health, and  make sure food safety  is of                                                               
primary concern.  In that regard,  he advised, in the event of an                                                               
outbreak,  "we   do  share  that  information"   with  the  OSV's                                                               
collaborative  partners  to   perform  these  investigations  and                                                               
determine what could be done  to mitigate this threat and correct                                                               
an outbreak.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:19:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  GERLACH turned  to  slide 7,  titled  "Disease Outbreaks  in                                                               
Alaska," and noted  that the slide depicts an example  of some of                                                               
the disease  outbreaks that have  occurred in Alaska,  and offers                                                               
an appreciation for the number of  diseases.  He pointed out that                                                               
the  slide shows  some of  the  diseases that  may solely  affect                                                               
animals,  and  in  those  cases  it  works  with  the  following:                                                               
veterinarians  in  the  state;  the Department  of  Fish  &  Game                                                               
(ADF&G) because  the state does  not want a domestic  outbreak to                                                               
move  into   the  wildlife;  the  United   States  Department  of                                                               
Agriculture (USDA);  and if the situation  involved public health                                                               
issues  it  would  work  with  the  Division  of  Public  Health,                                                               
Department of Health  and Social Services (DHSS), as  well as the                                                               
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
[Slide 8 was described at timestamp 2:21:30.]                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:20:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH  turned to  slide 9, titled  "HB 315:  Benefits," and                                                               
advised  that  the  intent  of this  legislation  is  to  protect                                                               
personal, proprietary,  and business information, yet  share that                                                               
data when  necessary to  protect animal  health resources  in the                                                               
state, public health,  and food safety.  He explained  that it is                                                               
not that  the OSV would collect  it and not share  it, because it                                                               
does  share that  data  in  a general  format  when  there is  an                                                               
outbreak  to  let veterinarians  and  farmers  know there  is  an                                                               
issue, and that  they should increase their  biosecurity or their                                                               
preparedness  in order  to prevent  the  infection from  entering                                                               
their farm or affecting their animals.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:21:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARPENTER  turned to  slide  8,  titled "HB  315:  Sectional                                                               
Analysis," and  advised that  Section 1 amends  AS 03.05  to make                                                               
certain animal and crop records,  maintained by the Department of                                                               
Environmental Conservation  (DEC) and  the Department  of Natural                                                               
Resources (DNR),  exempt from  the Alaska  Public Records  Act if                                                               
they  contain  personal,  business, or  proprietary  information.                                                               
This legislation does allow the  Office of the State Veterinarian                                                               
(OSV) to  disclose that information if  the department determines                                                               
there is a threat to the health  or safety of an animal, crop, or                                                               
the public.   Section 2 allows  DEC and DNR to  adopt regulations                                                               
to implement  the Act, and  at this time  DEC does not  foresee a                                                               
need to adopt  regulations.  Section 3 provides  for an immediate                                                               
effective date, she said.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:22:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENTER  turned to slide  9, titled "HB 316:  Benefits" and                                                               
added to  Dr. Gerlach's  testimony by  noting that  HB 315  has a                                                               
number of benefits specific to  the agricultural industry growth.                                                               
It is the hope  of OSV that by engaging with  the OSV more often,                                                               
that there  will be  more routine  surveillance testing  of crops                                                               
and animals which  would results in a higher  quality product for                                                               
sale with increased  production efficiency.  There  would also be                                                               
early identification and  testing of sick or dead  animals and in                                                               
the event of  a disease outbreak, it would be  contained, and the                                                               
OSV would keep that proprietary  data confidential from potential                                                               
competitors.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:23:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX referred to  Dr. Gerlach's testimony that a                                                               
reason for the bill was to  prevent public health hazards and not                                                               
end up with  the public health hazard  of a sick animal.   In the                                                               
event the sickness  is a public health hazard, she  asked why the                                                               
testing is voluntary.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH  answered that some  of the testing is  voluntary and                                                               
other testing is required based  on state and federal regulations                                                               
for access to markets in the sale and movement of animals.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:24:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX requested an  example of what disease tests                                                               
are voluntary and what tests are not voluntary.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  GERLACH  responded  that there  is  no  required  salmonella                                                               
testing in poultry, such as a  backyard chicken house or a large-                                                               
scale  producer selling  eggs.   Salmonella  is  a public  health                                                               
disease  that  can  cause  illness in  people  and  those  people                                                               
performing voluntary testing use the  results to show the quality                                                               
of their  product and use  that information as a  sales marketing                                                               
tool,  in  comparison  to  other  producers.    Required  disease                                                               
testing,  for example,  would be  brucellosis  testing for  those                                                               
animals producing milk  to be sold for consumption  in the state,                                                               
the  Grade A  milk and  cows  must be  tested.   He offered  that                                                               
brucellosis is  very transmissible  through animals and  can make                                                               
them  sick, but  also  can  be transmitted  to  people and  cause                                                               
severe illness, he explained.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:25:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  surmised   that  brucellosis  testing  is                                                               
mandatory,  and  salmonella  is   voluntary,  and  asked  whether                                                               
brucellosis is lethal and salmonella is not lethal.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR.  GERLACH explained  that brucellosis  was  identified in  the                                                               
early 1900s  as a widespread  disease within the  animal industry                                                               
with  current  continuing  pockets   of  brucellosis  within  the                                                               
wildlife in Alaska and the Greater  Yellowstone area.  Due to the                                                               
wide distribution  of dairy products  throughout that  early time                                                               
period for  brucellosis, and with  the advent  of pasteurization,                                                               
the testing  is still required  because it is a  venereal disease                                                               
that can spread  silently through a herd  causing severe problems                                                               
and put the farmer at risk.   Salmonella, he explained, can cause                                                               
severe  illness but  it  is  such a  widespread  disease that  is                                                               
routinely found  in the  environment throughout  the state.   The                                                               
intention here is to try to  decrease the risk for a transmission                                                               
of disease  to people.   In  the event  a person  ate a  raw egg,                                                               
their chance  of ingesting salmonella  could be upwards  of about                                                               
10 percent  of the  commercial eggs  having salmonella,  he said,                                                               
and cooked eggs  may be lower.   He said that it is  not based on                                                               
the  OSV's determination  but  what federal  or  other laws  have                                                               
already been required.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:28:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  asked whether  that was a  long-hand way  of saying                                                               
there was  a risk benefit  analysis, and based on  that analysis,                                                               
"they are choosing" what is and is not mandatory.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH answered in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:28:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  commented  the brucellosis  risk  benefit                                                               
analysis happened 100 years ago.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH  agreed, and he  advised that if  brucellosis disease                                                               
moves  from  state to  state,  there  are strong  regulations  to                                                               
prevent  that spread  between any  cattle or  elk in  the Greater                                                               
Yellowstone area, and the states  of Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana.                                                               
The implications of a disease  spreading causes a great impact on                                                               
the general  commercial industry, and  in the event  that disease                                                               
spread within  the commercial industry within  the United States,                                                               
that  could  impact  global  trade issues  with  respect  to  the                                                               
movement of  animals and animal  products out of the  country, he                                                               
explained.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:29:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  surmised  that  the testing  is  for  the                                                               
industry and trade as opposed to public health.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH answered that the  testing performs both purposes, it                                                               
protects the industry and commerce  on a local, state, and global                                                               
commercial level; as well as protects public health.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:30:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN said that  the Matanuska-Susitna Valley is                                                               
proud  of  its  agriculture,   particularly  the  "Alaska  Grown"                                                               
program piece.  He referred  to the Senate State Affairs Standing                                                               
Committee  wherein Ms.  Carpenter had  mentioned partnering  with                                                               
the Division of Agriculture to  investigate abuses of the "Alaska                                                               
Grown" program, and he asked her to speak to that issue.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENTER  advised that, under  current state law, if  DNR is                                                               
looking  into an  abuse of  the "Alaska  Grown" program,  the OSV                                                               
could provide that  information to DNR.   Under this legislation,                                                               
the OSV  would no longer  be allowed to provide  that information                                                               
to DNR  unless there  was a  public health  risk.   Although, she                                                               
said, because the  "Alaska Grown" program is  voluntary, it would                                                               
be possible for  DNR to require those  animal importation records                                                               
as  part of  its verification  process  and remove  DEC from  the                                                               
middle of the process.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:32:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  offered  concern  that  when  addressing                                                               
confidentiality, some of the  information regarding which animals                                                               
are  [imported into]  Alaska will  be  harder to  access for  the                                                               
public.  There  may not be a robust  and aggressive investigation                                                               
into  the  prosecution of  abuses  regarding  the "Alaska  Grown"                                                               
program, and  he asked the  last time someone was  prosecuted for                                                               
abuse of this program.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENTER  advised that the  "Alaska Grown" program  is under                                                               
DNR and she could not speak to that issue.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:33:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP asked  Dr. Gerach whether he was  part of the                                                               
family from Glennallen.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR.  GERLACH   advised  that  his  family   was  originally  from                                                               
Pennsylvania and not from Glennallen.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:33:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  surmised that the  gist of this  bill is to  try to                                                               
put  farm  and ranch  producers  on  equal footing  with  seafood                                                               
producers and the  manner in which information is  handled.  This                                                               
would be with regard to  disease and the confidentiality of those                                                               
records, and when  the department can make  public those records,                                                               
and be  treated in the  same manner  as the seafood  industry, he                                                               
offered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR.  GERLACH added  that this  would also  provide protection  of                                                               
personal  and  business  data,  not  just  from  any  proprietary                                                               
business data.  He explained  that for anyone running a business,                                                               
it would be  protection of their business and  marketing plan, it                                                               
is not solely related to food safety issues.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:34:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN  offered  a scenario  of  one  particular  producer                                                               
having  a diseased  product  and asked  whether  this bill  would                                                               
allow the  public identification of  that producer or  would this                                                               
prevent the identification of that one specific producer.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH  answered that the  information would be  released to                                                               
other  collaborative partners  in the  event of  a public  health                                                               
threat,  or in  order to  investigate, contain,  and remove  that                                                               
threat.     Thereby,  allowing   the  continuation   of  business                                                               
throughout the  state so  that other  producers are  not involved                                                               
and  impacted by  that disease  outbreak or  contamination, or  a                                                               
public  health   threat  associated   with  their   products,  he                                                               
explained.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:36:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  referred to  slide  6,  noting that  the                                                               
state  has imported  more than  95,000 animals  during this  last                                                               
year and asked whether that is a trend he expects to continue.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR.  GERLACH answered  that that  trend is  expected to  continue                                                               
because there  are a  large number  of small  backyard operations                                                               
importing poultry  for meat  and egg productions  and sales.   He                                                               
also noted an increase in swine  and cattle to meet the needs for                                                               
local market demand in restaurants and stores.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:36:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN noted  that 401  horses were  imported in                                                               
2017, and he asked Dr. Gerlach  to speak to what is driving those                                                               
imports.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH  referred to the chart  for 2016 and noted  there was                                                               
not "too much of a variation,"  but there had been an increase in                                                               
pleasure horses and pack/work horses  entering the state used for                                                               
guides and trail rides.   The number of pleasure horses increased                                                               
drastically  and  the  movement  throughout  the  lower  '48  has                                                               
increased much more than is being seen here, he advised.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:37:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked Dr. Gerlach to  address the concern                                                               
that this confidentiality makes it  harder for the public to know                                                               
whether an animal  entered the state from Canada  or was actually                                                               
Alaska grown.   In the event the animal was  not Alaska grown but                                                               
yet someone  puts that label onto  it, he asked how  this bill is                                                               
serving, through  confidentiality, to  sweep that fact  under the                                                               
rug.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENTER reiterated that the  "Alaska Grown" program is held                                                               
under  DNR  and it  is  up  to DNR  to  make  sure the  producers                                                               
qualifying  for  that  program  meet  DNR's  requirements.    She                                                               
deferred  to DNR  to  address the  concerns  from producers  that                                                               
other producers may not meet those requirements.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:39:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  pointed out  that it  was clear  the DEC  could not                                                               
answer any questions about the "Alaska Grown" program.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked whether  there  was  a DNR  person                                                               
online to address those issues.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  said the committee  would move to  public testimony                                                               
because someone online is from DNR.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:40:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN opened the public hearing on HB 315.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:41:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRYCE WRIGLEY, Alaska  Farm Bureau, advised that  the Alaska Farm                                                               
Bureau is  deeply committed to  strengthening security  in Alaska                                                               
by growing  more of its own  food.  This, he  commented, requires                                                               
commitment  from  farmers  and  statutes/regulations  encouraging                                                               
local food production  and processing.  He pointed  out that this                                                               
legislation is  important because  it will encourage  farmers and                                                               
ranchers  to  communicate their  concerns  about  their crops  or                                                               
animals to the state agencies  without fear that information will                                                               
become  public.   For  example, he  offered,  a competitor  could                                                               
leverage  information  about a  neighbor's  problem  in order  to                                                               
increase  their  own  market  share.     Also,  he  offered,  the                                                               
voluntary testing of animals or  agricultural products allows for                                                               
early detection  of a disease  and allows treatment to  be taken,                                                               
thereby,  decreasing the  potential for  more serious  outbreaks.                                                               
In  spite of  the  benefits,  he related  that  many farmers  are                                                               
reluctant to subject their animals  or products to this voluntary                                                               
testing because the results of  those tests are not confidential.                                                               
He said that  the Alaska Farm Bureau believes  the state agencies                                                               
should function as a resource  to help its members be successful,                                                               
and that  cultivating that partnership  is vital to  developing a                                                               
strong  local food  system in  Alaska.   He  then encouraged  the                                                               
committee to pass this bill as it  does no harm and it will build                                                               
trust between the state's food  producers and the government.  In                                                               
working together, they can transform the state's food (indisc.).                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:42:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN,  after  ascertaining  no one  wished  to  testify,                                                               
closed public testimony on HB 315.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  advised Mr. Keys,  Division of Agriculture,  that a                                                               
member has  questions regarding the  "Alaska Grown"  program, how                                                               
it intersects with HB 315, and  the position of the Department of                                                               
Natural Resources (DNR) on this legislation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:43:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ARTHUR KEYES,  Director, Division  of Agriculture,  Department of                                                               
Natural  Resources  (DNR),  related  that  it  is  important  the                                                               
farmers'  trust   the  government  when  they   have  a  problem.                                                               
Certainly,  Dr.  Gerlach  was   professionally  speaking  on  the                                                               
livestock side of things, and on  the plant side, he advised that                                                               
the Division of  Agriculture provides testing for  the farmers as                                                               
needed.   As  Mr.  Wrigley  had advised,  he  stated  that it  is                                                               
important  the farmers  trust that  when they  go to  DNR with  a                                                               
problem,  that DNR  is able  to help  them address  their problem                                                               
without fear a  neighbor may be able to use  the legal Freedom of                                                               
Information Act  (FOIA) process to  use that  information against                                                               
the farmer  on the marketing side  of things.  He  expressed that                                                               
the importance of  trust could not be  understated, including the                                                               
importance of the relationship between DNR and its farmers.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:44:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked the  last  time  someone had  been                                                               
prosecuted for an abuse of the "Alaska Grown" program.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEYES answered  that  he  could not  say  there  had been  a                                                               
prosecution, but  there was a  2016 lawsuit wherein the  State of                                                               
Alaska sued  the Mat-Su  Chapter of the  Alaska Farm  Bureau over                                                               
the use of the logo.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:45:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked whether the  fact that cattle  or a                                                               
horse  had   been  imported  from  out-of-state   is  proprietary                                                               
information  or  should  that information  be  available  to  the                                                               
public.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEYES opined,  after listening  to  Dr. Gerlach's  testimony                                                               
today, that  an animal  being imported into  the State  of Alaska                                                               
would not be protected information,  and the proprietary business                                                               
information attached to that would be confidential.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:46:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked  whether  "becoming  confidential"                                                               
would make it more difficult  for the public to determine whether                                                               
an animal had been Alaska grown.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN  pointed out  to  Representative  Eastman that  Mr.                                                               
Keyes'  answer   was  that  the   information  that   the  animal                                                               
originated in Canada was not confidential.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEYES answered that Chair Claman was correct.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  verified that the  confidential information  has to                                                               
do more with disease issues,  such as brucellosis and salmonella,                                                               
but  in terms  of the  fact  where the  animal originated  (audio                                                               
difficulties).                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:46:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked whether  this bill would  make that                                                               
type of  information more difficult  for the public to  obtain or                                                               
would it stay the same as it is currently.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  asked which information Representative  Eastman was                                                               
referencing.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  answered,   specifically  regarding  the                                                               
origin of an animal.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEYES responded  that finding out the number  of animals that                                                               
came in  from Canada is fine,  but the information of  the origin                                                               
of his  neighbor animals is proprietary  information because that                                                               
is not in the public's interest, he opined.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:47:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN surmised  that  the effect  of this  bill                                                               
would  be  to include  that  information  with other  proprietary                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEYES  said he was not  sure he understood the  question.  He                                                               
opined that  wherever the farmer gets  the cattle he puts  on his                                                               
farm,  it  is  not  the neighbor's  business  where  that  cattle                                                               
originated.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  related that he  was confused because he  had asked                                                               
Mr. Keyes  whether obtaining  a permit to  import an  animal from                                                               
Canada was  public information and if  so, how can it  be private                                                               
that the animal in his backyard is from Canada.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KEYES deferred  to  Dr.  Gerlach because  he  is the  better                                                               
person to  answer this  specific livestock  question.   He opined                                                               
that there  is information  on the import  tags where  the animal                                                               
originated and the  farm.  As Mr. Wrigley had  noted, it would be                                                               
detrimental  to  a business  to  have  it  out there  for  public                                                               
consumption.   Although,  he said,  that does  not mean  a person                                                               
cannot know an animal came  from Canada, but there is information                                                               
that should be protected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:49:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH explained that every  animal coming into the state is                                                               
required to  have an  ear tag  listing the  source of  origin for                                                               
that animal.   In the  event they are specifically  arriving from                                                               
Canada, they must have a Canadian  specific ear tag, as well as a                                                               
tattoo  or a  brand.   Those  animals are  identified from  their                                                               
source,  which is  extremely important  to  trace if  there is  a                                                               
disease outbreak or  an issue with the health and  safety of that                                                               
product, he explained.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:50:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  said that he understands  it is important                                                               
for the department  to have that information  but offered concern                                                               
that the public may not readily  have that information.  He asked                                                               
whether the tag is required to  stay with the animal for the life                                                               
of the animal or only when they come into the state.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH  advised that the tag,  through federal requirements,                                                               
is  forbidden  to  be  taken  out of  that  animal  until  it  is                                                               
slaughtered or processed for food.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:50:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   EASTMAN   asked   Dr.   Gerlach   whether   this                                                               
legislation  will make  the  information  regarding the  animal's                                                               
origin more difficult to obtain, or not have any effect.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH answered that if  the question is whether this animal                                                               
is Alaska  grown, that would  be directed toward the  Division of                                                               
Agriculture to evaluate the circumstances,  where that animal was                                                               
raised,  and how  long  it  was raised  in  Alaska, to  determine                                                               
whether  it met  that label  requirement.   With  respect to  the                                                               
number  of animals  coming into  Alaska, OSV  publishes a  yearly                                                               
chart  to let  people know  how many  animals have  been imported                                                               
into  the  state,  which  is   part  of  annual  information  OSV                                                               
distributes  to  veterinarians,  farmers,  and  the  Alaska  Farm                                                               
Bureau.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:51:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  re-asked  his question  in  a  different                                                               
manner, as  a member of the  public, will this bill  make it more                                                               
difficult from him  to determine whether a  particular animal was                                                               
imported.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR.  GERLACH advised  that if  Representative Eastman  was asking                                                               
him whether  he could tell  advise if Chair Claman's  cattle were                                                               
Canadian cattle, he would say, "I  will not tell you that because                                                               
that's proprietary  business where  he has his  cattle."   In the                                                               
event Representative  Claman is marketing the  cattle and selling                                                               
them  to  Representative  Eastman  through  the  "Alaskan  Grown"                                                               
program,  then  Representative  Eastman   would  go  through  the                                                               
Division  of Agriculture  to determine  whether those  cattle met                                                               
the requirements of the "Alaskan Grown" program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:52:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  said  she was  thoroughly  confused,  and                                                               
surmised  that the  public  can  find out,  due  to this  permit,                                                               
tattoo, or whatever,  what animals have arrived from  Canada.  In                                                               
the  event her  neighbor imported  an animal  from Canada,  it is                                                               
public information as to "where that animal is, correct?"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR.  GERLACH said  that  that information  can  be obtained,  but                                                               
through   this  regulation   and  proprietary   information,  how                                                               
Representative  Claman  is  building  his cattle  herd  to  enter                                                               
different markets  is his business  plan, and it is  protected as                                                               
proprietary information, personal information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:53:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  surmised that under this  bill, the public                                                               
will not be  able to know where these cattle  originated, it will                                                               
only be allowed to know that  100 head of cattle came into Alaska                                                               
from Canada.  She further  surmised that, in whose backyard those                                                               
cattle have landed, the public will be not allowed to know.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  GERLACH  answered  that Representative  LeDoux  was  correct                                                               
because these  cattle came in through  Canada and met all  of the                                                               
USDA health  requirements to come  into the country and  have met                                                               
all of  the Alaska  requirements that they  are healthy  and free                                                               
from infectious/contagious disease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN commented  that if a person was  worried about where                                                               
their neighbor's cattle originated, they  could walk to the fence                                                               
and wave the cow over and read its tag.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:55:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  whether any member has  a potential amendment                                                               
for HB 315.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  said  that  he does  have  an  amendment                                                               
because the witnesses  have not been able to answer  the state of                                                               
the  enforcement   of  the  "Alaska  Grown"   program,  and  this                                                               
legislation  will limit  the  ability of  public  to oversee  and                                                               
identify what  is "Alaska Grown."    He related that  it puts all                                                               
of the  onerous on the  department "to do  so," and he  has heard                                                               
concerns that  the department is not  aggressively pursuing those                                                               
investigations even  when credible  information was offered.   He                                                               
said he would like to  receive information from the department as                                                               
to the  last time it prosecuted  someone for that type  of abuse,                                                               
and how robust is its investigation process.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked  Ms. Jennifer Currie, Department  of Law (DOL)                                                               
whether there  are any provisions  in the criminal code  or other                                                               
code that would allow for  criminal prosecution related to misuse                                                               
of the "Alaska Grown" program.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:57:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER    CURRIE,    Senior   Assistant    Attorney    General,                                                               
Environmental Section, Department of  Law (DOL), advised that she                                                               
is  unaware  of   any  criminal  provisions  that   would  go  to                                                               
prosecution for improper use of the "Alaska Grown" program.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:57:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  (audio difficulties)  asked whether there  has been                                                               
any  practice in  the  Department  of Law  (DOL)  to bring  civil                                                               
actions relating to misuse of the "Alaska Grown" program.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURRIE  replied  that,  unfortunately,  she  represents  the                                                               
Department of  Environmental Conservation  (DEC) and it  does not                                                               
have that  program, and  she was unaware  whether there  had been                                                               
prosecutions.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN commented,  or at least civil cases  if not criminal                                                               
prosecutions.     In  order   to  get   Representative  Eastman's                                                               
questions answered  they would  need a  different section  in the                                                               
DOL.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:58:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX   asked  whether   any  of   the  cannabis                                                               
operations  adopted   the  "Alaska   Grown"  program   for  their                                                               
operations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  advised that  "we  don't  have the  testing                                                               
down"  even for  the  facilities  the state  does  have to  teach                                                               
[laughter through comment - indisc.] much less "Alaska Grown."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN commented  that as a legal matter, it  must be grown                                                               
in Alaska because it is illegal to cross state lines.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:59:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX opined  that marijuana  producers can  use                                                               
the label "Alaska Grown."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEYES  responded that currently,  no marijuana  producers are                                                               
allowed to  use the "Alaska  Grown" logo with their  crop because                                                               
that program  is run through  the Division of Agriculture  and it                                                               
is not accepting marijuana producers'  applications.  The primary                                                               
reason  being that  it uses  a lot  of federal  dollars for  that                                                               
program and  it is still  an illegal  crop on the  federal level,                                                               
which would  jeopardize the division's funding  for that program.                                                               
Also,  he  said, to  Representative  Eastman's  question, if  the                                                               
division  saw  or heard  of  a  violator possibly  using  "Alaska                                                               
Grown" improperly,  it would contact that  person and potentially                                                               
remove them from the "Alaska Grown" program.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:01:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  Mr. Keyes,  as Director  of the  Division of                                                               
Agriculture,  whether he  was familiar  with  any civil  lawsuits                                                               
filed  against  anyone  in  connection with  the  misuse  of  the                                                               
"Alaska Grown" program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEYES  reiterated that  in 2016, a  civil lawsuit  was filed,                                                               
and  pointed out  that  during the  two years  of  his tenure  as                                                               
director, the division has contacted  various retail outlets when                                                               
the "Alaska  Grown" program  was used  in a  questionable manner.                                                               
He related  that on  every occasion  that the  division contacted                                                               
the vendor, the problem was rectified with minimal issues.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:02:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 3:02 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB129 ver D 1.29.18.pdf HJUD 2/5/2018 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 2/7/2018 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 2/9/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 129
HB129 Updated Fiscal Note DOA-SSOA 2.9.18.pdf HJUD 2/9/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 129
HB129 Amendments #1-3 2.9.18.pdf HJUD 2/9/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 129
HB129 Amendments #1-3 HJUD Final Votes 2.9.18.pdf HJUD 2/9/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 129
HB315 ver A 2.9.18.PDF HJUD 2/9/2018 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 2/12/2018 1:30:00 PM
HRES 3/21/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/23/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/26/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/2/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 315
HB315 Transmittal Letter 2.9.18.pdf HJUD 2/9/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/21/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/23/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/26/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/2/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 315
HB315 Supporting Document-Public Comment.pdf HJUD 2/9/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/23/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/26/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/2/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB 315
HB315 PowerPoint Presentation 2.9.18.pdf HJUD 2/9/2018 1:00:00 PM
HB315 Fiscal Note DEC-EHL 2.9.18.PDF HJUD 2/9/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/21/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/23/2018 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/26/2018 1:00:00 PM
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HB 315