Legislature(2017 - 2018)GRUENBERG 120

04/15/2017 10:00 AM JUDICIARY

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Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
                   ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE B                                                                                 
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 15, 2017                                                                                         
                           5:11 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Zach Fansler, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative David Eastman                                                                                                    
Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                       
Representative Lora Reinbold                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Charisse Millett (alternate)                                                                                     
Representative Louise Stutes (alternate)                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 13                                                                                                               
"An Act prohibiting the expenditure  of state or municipal assets                                                               
to create a registry based on race or religion."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 200                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing a top  two nonpartisan open primary election                                                               
system  for  elective  state executive  and  state  and  national                                                               
legislative offices;  repealing the  special runoff  election for                                                               
the   office  of   United  States   senator   or  United   States                                                               
representative;  changing  appointment   procedures  relating  to                                                               
precinct  watchers  and  members  of  precinct  election  boards,                                                               
election  district   absentee  and  questioned   ballot  counting                                                               
boards,  and  the  Alaska Public  Offices  Commission;  requiring                                                               
certain  written  notices to  appear  in  election pamphlets  and                                                               
polling  places;  relating  to   declarations  of  candidacy  and                                                               
letters  of intent;  and amending  the  definition of  'political                                                               
party.'"                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 200(JUD) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 13                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: NO ST. FUNDS FOR FEDERAL REGISTRY                                                                                  
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) JOSEPHSON                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
01/18/17       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/9/17                                                                                
01/18/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/18/17       (H)       STA, JUD                                                                                               
02/18/17       (H)       STA AT 11:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
02/18/17       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/18/17       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/23/17       (H)       STA AT 3:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/23/17       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/28/17       (H)       STA AT 5:30 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/28/17       (H)       Moved CSHB 13(STA) Out of Committee                                                                    
03/28/17       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
04/03/17       (H)       STA RPT CS(STA) NT 4DP 1NR                                                                             
04/03/17       (H)       DP: WOOL, KNOPP, TUCK, KREISS-TOMKINS                                                                  
04/03/17       (H)       NR: BIRCH                                                                                              
04/14/17       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
04/14/17       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
04/15/17       (H)       JUD AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 200                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: NONPARTISAN OPEN PRIMARY ELECTIONS                                                                                 
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) LEDOUX                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
03/29/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/29/17       (H)       JUD, STA                                                                                               
04/10/17       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
04/10/17       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/10/17       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
04/12/17       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
04/12/17       (H)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
04/14/17       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
04/14/17       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/14/17       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
04/15/17       (H)       JUD AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDY JOSEPHSON                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 13 as prime sponsor.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PAUL KELLY, Staff                                                                                                               
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   During the hearing of HB  13, testified and                                                             
answered questions.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
KAYLA EPSTEIN                                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    During  the hearing  of  HB  13,  offered                                                             
support for the legislation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY ENRIGHT, Staff                                                                                                         
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   During  the hearing  of  HB 200,  answered                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:11:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MATT  CLAMAN called the House  Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at 5:11  p.m. Representatives  Claman, Fansler,                                                               
Eastman,  and   Kopp  were   present  at   the  call   to  order.                                                               
Representatives Kreiss-Tomkins,  LeDoux, and Reinbold  arrived as                                                               
the meeting was in progress.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
            HB 13-NO ST. FUNDS FOR FEDERAL REGISTRY                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:2:11 PM                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO.  13, "An Act prohibiting the  expenditure of state                                                               
or  municipal  assets to  create  a  registry  based on  race  or                                                               
religion."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:12:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDY JOSEPHSON,  Alaska State Legislature, advised                                                               
that this  bill arose  from a  series of  statements made  by the                                                               
national administration  before the national election,  after the                                                               
national election,  and after the inauguration.   Essentially, he                                                               
explained, Title  44.99, is called "Miscellaneous  Laws" and this                                                               
bill  adds  a prohibition  to  spending  state assets  by  aiding                                                               
federal agency  in creating registries  based on  race, religion,                                                               
ethnicity, or  national origin.   It  is noteworthy,  he related,                                                               
that  the section  falls  under "other  prohibitions  on uses  of                                                               
state  assets," such  as  aiding the  federal  government in  any                                                               
infringement  of Alaskan's  Second Amendment  rights to  keep and                                                               
bear  arms  and due  process  rights.    He suggested  that  this                                                               
legislation  be  viewed as  a  civil  liberties and  anti-federal                                                               
overreach provision.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:14:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL KELLY,  Staff, Representative  Andy Josephson,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, explained  that HB  13 prevents state  and municipal                                                               
resources from  being spent  in order to  violate the  privacy of                                                               
Alaskan  residents  on  issues  that  should  not  be  of  public                                                               
interest,  including  race,  religion,  ethnicity,  and  national                                                               
origin.   This bill is  a preventative  measure meant to  stop an                                                               
injustice  before it  happens and,  he commented  that it  should                                                               
save money  for the state  and its municipalities  while securing                                                               
liberties  that   should  be  protected  by   state  and  federal                                                               
constitutions.  He  referred to Korematsu v.  United States, [323                                                             
U.S.  214  (1944) contained  within  the  committee packet],  and                                                               
explained  that  Fred  Korematsu   was  an  American  citizen  of                                                               
Japanese  ancestry who  went into  hiding rather  than submit  to                                                               
Japanese internment camps required by  the Department of the Army                                                               
during World  War II.   Mr.  Korematsu was  arrested and  he then                                                               
took his case  all the way up to the  United States Supreme Court                                                               
which, in  the end,  ruled against  him.   He surmised  that many                                                               
people regard  this as one of  the worst decisions of  the United                                                               
States Supreme  Court, and it  proved that the justice  system is                                                               
rarely expedient  when rights are  violated, and that  justice is                                                               
not always guaranteed in the end.   Mr. Korematsu spent more than                                                               
three years in  custody until he and his family  were released at                                                               
the end of the war.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. KELLY advised  that the state stands to save  money with this                                                               
legislation, there is a zero  fiscal note, and this bill prevents                                                               
unfunded mandates of the federal  government from consuming state                                                               
and  municipalities resources.    Another reason  to support  the                                                               
bill,  he related,  is  to protect  the  liberty of  constituents                                                               
because  they may  arrive from  the Philippines,  Canada, Mexico,                                                               
Europe, Russia, Japan, and Viet  Nam, and Alaska's residents hold                                                               
privacy and other  constitutional rights sacred.   In summary, he                                                               
said, this bill is about  the following: prohibiting the state or                                                               
its  municipality from  using  its assets  to  create a  registry                                                               
based  on  race,  religion, ethnicity,  or  national  origin;  it                                                               
spares Alaskans  the expense, hassle,  and uncertainty,  of using                                                               
the courts  to defend their  rights; it saves Alaska's  state and                                                               
municipalities  resources  that  would  be  used  to  support  an                                                               
unfunded mandate; and it reduces government intrusion.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:18:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  noted that the school  districts must have                                                               
some sort  of records as to  who speaks what language,  and while                                                               
the  records  are  not  necessarily   based  on  race,  religion,                                                               
ethnicity,  or  national origin,  they  may  be based  simply  on                                                               
language, which offers a good idea  of the student's origin.  She                                                               
asked how that interplays with this legislation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KELLEY responded  that  this  legislation addresses  federal                                                               
mandates, and Legislative Legal  and Research Services found that                                                               
although  this information  is sometimes  collected within  state                                                               
and municipal agencies,  it is never published other  than in its                                                               
aggregate  form,  such  as  a   percentage  of  different  races,                                                               
ethnicities,  religions, or  national origins,  in a  statistical                                                               
sense.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:20:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX referred  to  Mr.  Kelly's statement  that                                                               
"it's never published" and asked  whether the school district has                                                               
the information.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. KELLEY  replied that he  was unsure exactly  what information                                                               
the school districts keep, but if  the issue is the importance of                                                               
what language someone  speaks, it would not be  necessary to know                                                               
where they come from, simply the language they speak.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX expressed that  the language someone speaks                                                               
is probably a pretty good indication of their origin.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  explained  that the  research  request                                                               
included advising of the "benign  registries" made currently, and                                                               
Legislative  Legal  and  Research   Services  reported  that  the                                                               
Department of Health and Social  Services (DHSS) does gather some                                                               
of that  information, and this  bill does not allow  Alaska's own                                                               
assets  to be  used  when there  is a  federal  imposition for  a                                                               
registry request  based solely on  race and religion alone.   The                                                               
concern, he  said, was that  the administration wanted a  list of                                                               
Muslim  Americans  and  Hispanic  Americans,  and  this  bill  is                                                               
actually a response to those race based registries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:22:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  noted that it appears  from Representative                                                               
Josephson's testimony that  this only relates to  a federal order                                                               
and asked  why he wouldn't  want to craft  it so that  if someone                                                               
had this idea to do it in  Alaska, such as the mayor of Anchorage                                                               
or  governor  of Alaska,  the  bill  doesn't prohibit  them  from                                                               
creating those  lists as long  as it's  not related to  a federal                                                               
mandate.    She  opined  that California  Governor  Earl  Warren,                                                               
before  he  became the  darling  of  the  liberals as  the  Chief                                                               
Justice  of  the Supreme  Court,  was  "kind  of a  racist"  with                                                               
respect to the Japanese citizens.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON referred  to an  article from  The Hill                                                             
magazine  published two  months ago,  and the  Ambassador to  the                                                               
United Nations,  Nikki Haley, former governor  of South Carolina,                                                               
repudiated  the idea  of a  registry.   Although, he  noted, when                                                               
Secretary  of  State  Rex  Tillerson  was  asked  about  it,  Mr.                                                               
Tillerson said  that while he ruled  out a blanket ban  on Muslim                                                               
immigration  to America,  he would  need more  information before                                                               
deciding   whether   to   support    a   registry   of   Muslims.                                                               
Representative  Josephson said  he  would have  the same  concern                                                               
about the  mayor of Anchorage or  the governor of Alaska  if they                                                               
had  made statements  in that  manner, but  they haven't.   Given                                                               
that  section  the  legislation was  applied  was  about  federal                                                               
overreach, he said the concern  was with the federal government's                                                               
request for registry.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:24:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP related  that he  certainly agrees  with the                                                               
spirit  of  the legislation,  yet  commented  that this  is  more                                                               
difficult than it  appears because the state  takes federal money                                                               
in  its  education  system  and  justice  system,  and  both  the                                                               
Department of  Corrections (DOC) and Department  of Education and                                                               
Early Development  (DEED) have exhaustive lists  on these issues.                                                               
He  advised  that  DOC  can  produce  printouts  on  pretty  much                                                               
everything  this bill  tells  them not  to do,  and  he would  be                                                               
interested  to know  whether  that  is required  as  part of  the                                                               
federal penal  system or receiving  federal funding.   He pointed                                                               
out that  in the  state's education system,  when applying  for a                                                               
student loan  or graduate  school, a person  fills out  all these                                                               
blanks and  some of it is  to determine what kind  of funding the                                                               
person was  eligible, and if they  fit into a minority  status it                                                               
can  actually  open up  doors,  so  they  are not  all  nefarious                                                               
reasons.   In the  legislature's fervor  to do  good, he  said he                                                               
wanted to  be sure it  didn't accidentally cross over  into doing                                                               
something harmful due to the  federal nexus to state funding type                                                               
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:25:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON noted  that although  constituents have                                                               
said  they  would  not  support,  for  example,  the  efforts  of                                                               
immigration and customs  to perform a "roundup," he  did not want                                                               
to get into those issues  because there could be circumstances to                                                               
support a roundup  of someone who was dangerous.   He pointed out                                                               
that the focus  in this legislation was on any  federal effort to                                                               
say, "This  registration is based  on this  and this alone."   He                                                               
referred  to a  report by  Tim Spangler,  [Legislative Legal  and                                                               
Research Services,  contained within the committee  packets], who                                                               
found  no  evidence that  anything  was  done in  isolation  just                                                               
because of one's race or religion,  and that no one cared to have                                                               
that data  in isolation with no  other purpose.  For  example, he                                                               
related, it  is a known  fact that  someone of a  particular race                                                               
may be medically  predisposed to a certain disease,  which may be                                                               
a relevant  area of race  data.  Certainly,  he said, there  is a                                                               
lot of data on race, but not  solely on race or religion and that                                                               
is what this bill targets.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:27:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD said  the definition of a  registry is "a                                                               
place or an office where registers  or records are kept," and she                                                               
thought  this may  be  the  vehicle to  get  rid  of the  massive                                                               
unconstitutional  databases  kept   on  students,  families,  and                                                               
teachers  within Alaska's  schools,  and asked  the  goal of  the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  responded  that the  goal  was  partly                                                               
preventative,  and  partly to  note  that  this is  a  historical                                                               
moment,  and that  the people  of Alaska  would not  tolerate the                                                               
registry of  individuals for the  reasons alone that they  are of                                                               
that race or religion, and not for benign reasons.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  suggested adding  the word  "solely" to                                                               
the following language  as a friendly amendment  on CSHB 13(STA),                                                               
Version O, [AS  44.99.040(a)((1)(C), page 1, line 14  and page 2,                                                               
line 1,] to read as follows:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
            (C) create a registry [solely] based on                                                                         
     race, religion, ethnicity, or national origin; or                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:29:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  noted that  "it's cool"  to go  back and                                                               
look at the  contributions of African Americans  and the building                                                               
of the Alaskan Highway, and  offered that she could probably list                                                               
a  dozen of  special days  based on  a specific  race Alaska  has                                                               
celebrated, such as Black History  Month.  She asked whether this                                                               
bill  has anything  to  do  with public  safety  because this  is                                                               
probably the biggest  repeal of state government of  any bill she                                                               
had ever  seen, and asked whether  the ultimate goal was  to have                                                               
no  registries.   She then  referred to  the Pioneer  Homes where                                                               
staff  enters the  race and  religion of  new residents  into the                                                               
database due  to various reasons.   She  again asked the  goal of                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:31:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN intervened and  advised Representative Reinbold that                                                               
Representative  Josephson had  previously answered  her question,                                                               
which  is that  it  is not  to  have  a registry,  it  is only  a                                                               
registry where the  specific order from the  president or federal                                                               
government is, "Thou  shalt create a registry of  ethnicity."  He                                                               
explained that  creating that registry is  different from keeping                                                               
track of  ethnicity or different  features regarding  students in                                                               
school  because that  order is  that if  Alaska is  going to  get                                                               
federal funds  for schools, it  must keep this certain  amount of                                                               
data  in exchange  for receiving  federal funds.   This  bill, as                                                               
Representative  Josephson testified,  is  strictly,  if an  order                                                               
comes down from the federal  government saying "Thou shalt create                                                               
a registry  of these people"  this bill addresses  that situation                                                               
only,  and  it   does  not  go  more  broadly.     He  said  that                                                               
Representative  Josephson was  not  looking at  wiping out  every                                                               
registry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:32:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JOSEPHSON  remarked   that   Chair  Claman   was                                                               
precisely  correct.    Legislative Legal  and  Research  Services                                                               
research  found that  none of  the entities  it quiered  reported                                                               
that they  desegregate the data  in a manner that  would identify                                                               
people based on  race, ethnicity, religion, or  country of origin                                                               
of individuals.   Basically, he  explained, that means no  one is                                                               
gathering this  data just to  say "Here's  a list of  people from                                                               
Syria that  live in Alaska."   He referred to the  celebration of                                                               
Black History  Month, and offered that  it would be an  odd thing                                                               
for the federal  government to say, that before  the nation could                                                               
celebrate Black  History Month it  needed every  African American                                                               
to enter  their names on  a registry.   He stressed that  that is                                                               
what he is trying to avoid.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:33:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  offered  a scenario  that  the  federal                                                               
government could  decide that  a person  from Syria  or wherever,                                                               
may cause  a health  concern.   Also, she  said, "ANSWERS"  was a                                                               
federal mandate so "you can't  have a double standard here" where                                                               
the  federal government  wanted ANSWERS  to collect  a tremendous                                                               
amount of  data on Alaska's students,  which is a registry.   She                                                               
offered  that it  appears to  be a  double standard  that if  the                                                               
federal  government is  going to  ask Alaska  for people  who may                                                               
have originated from a certain  place or religion, it probably is                                                               
for  a public  safety, health  concern, or  potentially a  public                                                               
threat of some antagonists in another  country such as ISIS.  She                                                               
asked  what Representative  Josephson thought  "if it's  a public                                                               
safety concern to  people, which is a specific  group of specific                                                               
origin,  and possibly  even a  specific religion  where they  are                                                               
following the  laws of  their country and  trying to  impose them                                                               
over here."   In  the event  it is a  public safety  concern, she                                                               
asked whether that  weighs into the ability to have  some sort of                                                               
information for public safety and homeland security.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:35:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON answered  that the  federal government,                                                               
no  doubt does  that, and  he  is glad  to some  degree that  the                                                               
federal  government knows  where  people are  traveling which  is                                                               
legitimate  state and  national  security interest.   Except,  he                                                               
reiterated,  this  bill  reads  that  Alaska  does  not  need  to                                                               
participate  when  it is  solely  based  on  race with  no  other                                                               
putative  or  obvious  reason.    Research  found  that  juvenile                                                               
justice and  public assistance have  records on race, but  it was                                                               
always linked  to some other  public governmental  policy purpose                                                               
and it was not just a naked, "We  want a list of Muslims and, we,                                                               
the federal  government, insist  on it, and  please give  us that                                                               
list."  He pointed out that  this bill should not be described as                                                               
alarmist  because the  national administration,  although it  had                                                               
been tamped down a little bit  lately, said that, indeed, it does                                                               
intend to  do these things.   He explained that part  of the goal                                                               
is  that  when future  generations  look  back on  the  Thirtieth                                                               
Alaska State  Legislature and see  that the legislature  caught a                                                               
Korematsu situation,  that it made  a statement, and that  it did                                                             
something about the Korematsu situation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:36:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  said  Representative  Josephson  made  a                                                               
distinction  as to  whether it's  the sole  purpose of  anyone of                                                               
these individual  categories, but  it seems like  the distinction                                                               
is "too  easy of  being evaded."   For example,  he could  have a                                                               
database of religion except not  for the sake of religion because                                                               
that would  be a  violation.   Rather, he  decided that  he would                                                               
have a category  of religion because he wanted  to study minority                                                               
religions, and find ways to promoting  the fact that are not many                                                               
minority religions.  Thereby, giving  distinction to some kind of                                                               
recognition, and whether  with that type of add  on would satisfy                                                               
Representative Josephson's sole reason for prohibition.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  responded that  these are the  kinds of                                                               
tests  courts engage  in frequently  and are  skilled in  knowing                                                               
whether something  is pretextual  or legitimate.   Presumably, he                                                               
said,  a court  would apply  a test  to something  like that  and                                                               
reach a conclusion  as to whether the interest  was legitimate or                                                               
pretextual.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:38:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN said  he understands  that a  court would                                                               
try to  identify the intent,  but he was specifically  asking the                                                               
sponsor how  that scenario lines up  with his intent for  how the                                                               
bill would  be used.   He asked  whether he would  find it  to be                                                               
legitimate or a subterfuge.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  commented that  it would depend  on the                                                               
facts and  the circumstances,  and said he  didn't want  to muddy                                                               
the water too  much but that he  had spent a fair  amount of time                                                               
looking at school  prayer litigation, and referred  to Wallace v.                                                             
Jaffree, 472 U.S.  38 (1985).  For example, he  offered, if there                                                             
was a  moment of  silence legislation,  [he would  consider] what                                                               
was  said in  committee,  and  whether this  was  really about  a                                                               
prayer in  public school.    Given that the court  had previously                                                               
said that was a violation of  the separation of church and state,                                                               
the  court  would  look  to   see  whether  there  was  something                                                               
pretextual  or whether  it was  just meant  to be  meditative and                                                               
truly a  moment of silence.   He explained that the  intention of                                                               
this bill is  to preclude these registries based  solely on race,                                                               
religion, ethnicity,  and national origin, with  no obvious other                                                               
reason  that  is  apparent  in   the  administrative  order,  the                                                               
executive order, or the law.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:40:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX noted  that  basically  the committee  was                                                               
reading  into this  now, even  though  no member  had offered  an                                                               
amendment,  that it  would  be based  solely  on race,  religion,                                                               
ethnicity, or  national origin.   She offered  a scenario  of the                                                               
federal  government's   concern  regarding  the  great   deal  of                                                               
terrorism  involving  Muslim  Americans   and,  as  a  matter  of                                                               
national security,  it would keep  a registry.  Under  this bill,                                                               
she remarked, that would be  something the government could still                                                               
order so what was the purpose of the bill.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:41:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON answered  that Alaska  obviously cannot                                                               
stop  the  federal government  from  doing  anything, but  Alaska                                                               
could watch  the federal government  and someone  could intervene                                                               
by seeking an injunction stating  that the federal government was                                                               
painting every Muslim  in Alaska with the same brush,  and it was                                                               
against the  law in  Alaska [in  the event  this bill  is enacted                                                               
into law]. Or  perhaps, people would cower in the  same manner as                                                               
when Japanese  Americans were rounded  up by not responding.   He                                                               
pointed to the "very poignant bench"  in Pocket Park, next to the                                                               
Terry Miller  Building, which expresses  shame for the  fact that                                                               
the citizens of  Juneau watched this happen,  but he acknowledged                                                               
that  perhaps there  was nothing  they could  do about  it.   The                                                               
bench was  designed to mark that  sort of concern.   He expressed                                                               
that the  federal government could  do something, but  it doesn't                                                               
mean that Alaskans must follow.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:42:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   LEDOUX  related   that   she   hates  to   sound                                                               
politically incorrect,  but she pointed to  "national origin" and                                                               
offered  a scenario  of this  country being  at war  with another                                                               
country.  Mr. Korimatsu was  an American citizen and this doesn't                                                               
just apply to American citizens,  and she offered her belief that                                                               
it might  be relevant  when at  war with  another nation  to know                                                               
where those people live in America.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KELLEY replied  that nothing  in this  bill prevents  Alaska                                                               
from aiding  in keeping  track of  the nation's  citizenship, but                                                               
national origin is the issue.   For example, Mr. Korimatsu was an                                                               
American citizen  and probably shouldn't  have been  considered a                                                               
threat, but  there would  be no  record that  he was  of Japanese                                                               
ancestry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:43:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD asked  whether Representative  Josephson                                                               
has any problem with the  federal government using state or local                                                               
resources to track groups such as ISIS.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  responded  that   he  does  want  ISIS                                                               
tracked and has no problem with that.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD  described  the state's  most  important                                                               
mandate as  public safety,  and the  delicate balance  in privacy                                                               
rights  and   public  safety,  and   that  she   understands  the                                                               
government's  need  to know  the  perpetrators  and the  targets.                                                               
World history  has shown religions  persecuted in the  past, such                                                               
as the Jewish religion or  Christians, and if religions are being                                                               
persecuted, possibly  by another religion, the  important concept                                                               
is where the  government intervenes to put  public protections in                                                               
place.    Possibly, she said,  the government would want  to know                                                               
who was a Christian if  they were receiving immense attacks, such                                                               
as in India.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON related that he didn't have a comment.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:47:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN opened public testimony on HB 13.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:47:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAYLA  EPSTEIN, advised  she  was speaking  for  herself and  she                                                               
supports the bill.   She related that she is  Jewish and is "very                                                               
sensitive"  to the  fact  that it  has never  worked  out to  the                                                               
benefit of  anyone to keep a  list of someone by  their religion.                                                               
She remarked  that she  has seen no  evidence verifying  that the                                                               
keeping of lists  of persecuted people benefited  those people in                                                               
any  manner.    Also,  she  pointed out  that  if  a  person  was                                                               
Christian and  worried about being  persecuted, she has  not seen                                                               
that  a list  would work  to their  advantage.   At the  time the                                                               
United  States was  at war  with Italy,  Japan, and  Germany, the                                                               
plight of the  Japanese people was clearly a matter  of greed and                                                               
discrimination.   At that time,  the federal government  had been                                                               
extremely careful watching these  groups before the war, watching                                                               
organizations  advocating the  destruction of  America, and  were                                                               
well aware of  the Italian, German, and  the Japanese individuals                                                               
who posed a  threat, and they were arrested.   She explained that                                                               
President  Franklin Delano  Roosevelt  had been  notified by  the                                                               
military that  the Japanese people  were of no threat,  except he                                                               
ignored that information due to  the political pressure from, for                                                               
example,  Governor Earl  Warren of  California, and  proceeded to                                                               
allow Japanese people  to be rounded up.  She  stated that she is                                                               
"totally in favor" of this bill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:49:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN,  after  ascertaining  no one  wished  to  testify,                                                               
closed public testimony on HB 13.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:49:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  surmised from  Representative Josephson's                                                               
response to Representative LeDoux that  he had decided not to put                                                               
the distinction of "citizenship" on the list.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  advised that  he had said  the national                                                               
government is  free to do what  it will, but that  if the federal                                                               
government asked this state or  its municipalities to use assets,                                                               
treasurer  and human  resources, to  make  such a  list it  would                                                               
violate this law if  it passed.  He described this  law as a good                                                               
thing as a matter of principle.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  said he thought  Representative Josephson                                                               
had made  a distinction not  to put  citizenship on this  list of                                                               
things that are not for the government's knowledge.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON replied that  the word "citizenship" was                                                               
not considered  and he was unaware  whether it was an  absence of                                                               
considering  the  word,  or  that   a  legitimate  decision  that                                                               
"citizenship" would not be included in  the list.  He opined that                                                               
it was the former, and he would have to give it some thought.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KELLEY advised that the important  aspect of this bill is not                                                               
tracking national origins.   For example, with someone  who is an                                                               
American citizen,  there is no  interest in knowing  whether they                                                               
might be Muslim or from Syria.   Although, he said, perhaps there                                                               
is an  interest in  knowing what  citizenship someone  holds when                                                               
they arrive  in America.   For example, a current  Syrian citizen                                                               
in America on  a visa, there may be the  distinction that perhaps                                                               
there  was a  legitimate  government interest  in tracking  their                                                               
citizenship, but  not the national  origin and especially  not of                                                               
American citizens.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:52:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  offered  a situation  where  citizenship                                                               
information may not be available,  what would be the procedure in                                                               
obtaining that  information.  He  described that it  is important                                                               
information to have, at least  statistically, as there would be a                                                               
strong correlation between national origin and citizenship.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  responded that fundamentally it  is not                                                               
the job  of a state  to entertain such ideas.   In the  event the                                                               
federal government wanted to go  house-by-house to see who should                                                               
or  shouldn't  be   here,  those  actions  would   be  a  massive                                                               
historical chapter  for which the  federal government  would have                                                               
to account.  President Franklin  D. Roosevelt is regarded broadly                                                               
as one of  the better presidents, yet it is  widely known that he                                                               
has a  very black mark  for his treatment of  Japanese Americans.                                                               
He said,  "And as  you've noted  in a letter  to the  floor about                                                               
Korimatsu being one  of the worst decisions."   Fundamentally, he                                                             
stated,  Alaska does  not have  to be  involved in  deputizing in                                                               
order to gather that sort of information.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:54:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  commented that whether deputized  or not,                                                               
citizenship  is important  to Alaska  because its  citizenship is                                                               
fundamental  to its  state  election laws  in  order to  identify                                                               
citizenship correctly.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:54:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD surmised that people  will not be able to                                                               
say "African American  or Russian American or  Greek American, or                                                               
whatever," that  it's just going  to be American if  no resources                                                               
are allowed  at the  municipality or state  level, and  the state                                                               
wouldn't have knowledge  of that information.   She asked whether                                                               
that was Representative Josephson's understanding.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON said,  "No."   He explained  that those                                                               
are terms  in the nomenclature  and each generation will  have to                                                               
decide its  comfort level with  that sort of terminology.   Also,                                                               
he pointed out  that Representative was talking  about how things                                                               
are spoken  in the vernacular and  that is not what  this bill is                                                               
about.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:55:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  said she would  like to know  the bottom                                                               
line of  this bill, and  also an  explanation as to  the language                                                               
"(REAL ID Act of 2005)" on page 2, line 2.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON responded  that the  importance of  the                                                               
reference to  REAL ID Act is  that it speaks to  how "wonderfully                                                               
appropriate"  this bill  is placed  in  Title 44,  because it  is                                                               
about overreach.  This legislation is  akin to the REAL ID Act in                                                               
that it is designed to stop federal overreach.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON advised that the  intent of this bill is                                                               
about  the fact  that  it  flies in  the  faces  of our  Founding                                                               
Fathers to  require a list.   For example, he  advised, President                                                               
George Washington  famously spoke at the  Providence Rhode Island                                                               
Synagogue  about  the  importance  of Jewish  Americans  and  how                                                               
welcomed  they  were  as  citizens of  the  country.    President                                                               
Washington  did not  tell  the Jewish  American  citizens to  put                                                               
their  names on  a tracking  list.   This bill  was designed,  in                                                               
keeping with  President Washington,  to state  there cannot  be a                                                               
benign  registry based  solely on  race, religion,  ethnicity, or                                                               
national origin, and he stressed  that almost by definition there                                                               
must be some ill motive that is an un-American motive.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:57:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD described concern  that the bill stripped                                                               
local  control  by  telling  municipalities   that  even  if  its                                                               
taxpayers wanted to spend money  keeping track of an organization                                                               
such  as ISIS,  it could  not.   In  addition, she  said, she  is                                                               
concerned that  the state collects  a tremendous amount  of data,                                                               
and commented that  any data can be  used for good or  evil.  She                                                               
then  asked  whether  Representative   Josephson  would  allow  a                                                               
friendly  amendment that  in the  cases  where Alaska's  citizens                                                               
were  at  risk, if  a  list  needed  to  be compiled  to  protect                                                               
Alaska's citizens, whether he would support the amendment.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  answered  "No."    First  of  all,  he                                                               
explained,  he is  not on  the  committee and  the committee  can                                                               
amend this bill  in any manner it prefers.   Secondly, he pointed                                                               
out  that he  would not  want  local governments  or factions  to                                                               
decide  to  target a  group  based  on  religion because  it  was                                                               
"freaked  out"  about a  certain  group  and  felt it  needed  to                                                               
intervene.   He described, that would  be a blemish akin  to what                                                               
President Roosevelt was stuck with for all time.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[HB 13 was held over.]                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
           HB 200-NONPARTISAN OPEN PRIMARY ELECTIONS                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:59:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 200, "An  Act establishing a top  two nonpartisan                                                               
open  primary election  system for  elective state  executive and                                                               
state  and national  legislative offices;  repealing the  special                                                               
runoff  election  for the  office  of  United States  senator  or                                                               
United  States  representative; changing  appointment  procedures                                                               
relating to  precinct watchers and  members of  precinct election                                                               
boards,   election  district   absentee  and   questioned  ballot                                                               
counting  boards,  and  the  Alaska  Public  Offices  Commission;                                                               
requiring  certain   written  notices   to  appear   in  election                                                               
pamphlets  and  polling  places;   relating  to  declarations  of                                                               
candidacy and letters  of intent; and amending  the definition of                                                               
'political party.'"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:00:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX moved  to adopt  Amendment 1,  Version 30-                                                               
LS0038\U.1, Bullard, 4/12/17, which read as follows:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 27:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
        "* Sec. 3. AS 15.07.060(b) is amended to read:                                                                      
          (b)  Every registration form must include space                                                                   
     for  an   applicant  who   is  registered   in  another                                                                
     jurisdiction to specify that  jurisdiction and a notice                                                                
     that  the  director  will notify  the  chief  elections                                                                
     officer  in that  jurisdiction.  If  the applicant  has                                                                
     been   previously  registered   to   vote  in   another                                                                    
     jurisdiction,  the  director  shall  notify  the  chief                                                                    
     elections  officer   in  that  jurisdiction   that  the                                                                    
     applicant has registered to vote  in Alaska and request                                                                    
     that  that jurisdiction  cancel  the applicant's  voter                                                                    
     registration there."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FANSLER objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:00:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  explained that  Amendment 1  clarifies the                                                               
process  in  the event  candidate  two  died, was  incapacitated,                                                               
decided  to get  out of  the race,  and so  forth, the  amendment                                                               
advances candidate three to the number two position.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP  described Amendment 1 as  fairly exhaustive,                                                               
involving  a number  of policy  calls and  he would  like a  full                                                               
analysis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX answered that  the bottom line is Amendment                                                               
1 simply moves  the candidate in third place to  the second place                                                               
position.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:01:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY ENRIGHT, Staff,  Representative Gabrielle LeDoux, Alaska                                                               
State Legislature,  noted there is  a lot of  conforming language                                                               
within Amendment 1, although, a couple  of pieces do create a bit                                                               
more intricacy.   The amendment provides  that in the event  of a                                                               
tie, for  example, if two  candidates had advanced that  had tied                                                               
in the first position, the person  who came in second "instead of                                                               
strictly third"  would advance,  and it  takes into  account that                                                               
particular instance of occurrence.   The amendment also speaks to                                                               
current statute  which states that if  the state was 64  days out                                                               
from  the  general  election,  the   third  candidate  would  not                                                               
advance, which  is also in  compliance with federal  voting laws.                                                               
This  relates to  the requirement  to have  ballots prepared  and                                                               
forwarded to  overseas troops,  and others, 45  days prior  to an                                                               
election, and that  deadline is in existing statute.   Those, she                                                               
said, are the biggest complications in the amendment.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:02:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN,  in response to  Representative Kopp,  advised that                                                               
his   office  received   Amendment  1   yesterday,  and   it  was                                                               
distributed to the committee last night.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:03:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  commented that under the  state's current                                                               
partisan  primary system,  for example,  there  is an  interested                                                               
party to nominate or replace  if someone resigns or whatever, and                                                               
that is  not included in this  proposal.  He pointed  out that he                                                               
was concerned that  its absence may militate in  the direction of                                                               
creating  a new  or  greater incentive  for  coercing someone  or                                                               
convincing  someone  to  withdraw   knowing  that  another  party                                                               
candidate might be the replacement.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:04:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FANSLER pointed  out  that  the amendment  speaks                                                               
only of  the third  person moving  up into  second place,  and he                                                               
could think  of several scenarios  where possibly that  would not                                                               
be the appropriate avenue.   For instance, he remarked, the third                                                               
person had  moved on with their  life and decided not  to be part                                                               
of the  election, there was not  a mechanism to move  down to the                                                               
fourth candidate.   He asked what happens if two  people drop off                                                               
the ticket with no mechanism to move to lower positions.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:05:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ENRIGHT agreed  that  there  is no  mechanism  to move  down                                                               
through  the   other  positions   because  the   amendment  stays                                                               
consistent with  other systems.   She explained that  those other                                                               
systems do  not allow anyone  to advance from the  third position                                                               
to the  second position  in the general  election, and  they have                                                               
managed to  successfully implement their systems  for many years.                                                               
Ironically, she  explained, the reason  the other systems  do not                                                               
allow  candidates to  advance from  third to  second position  if                                                               
there  is  an  incapacitated  instance,   are  the  same  reasons                                                               
Representative  Eastman expressed  concern  about  not having  an                                                               
individual advancing  from second to  third.  The  other systems,                                                               
she  explained,   believe  there  is  a   greater  incentive  for                                                               
coercion.   For example,  when speaking with  the group  that ran                                                               
the  California  ballot  initiative,   it  advised  that  it  had                                                               
specifically  not included  that caveat  because it  was believed                                                               
that  in continuing  to move  down the  line, political  pressure                                                               
could  be   provided  to  get   individuals  to   withdraw  their                                                               
candidacy.   She confirmed  that Amendment 1  does not  provide a                                                               
mechanism  to continue  moving  down the  ballot  past the  third                                                               
candidate.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:06:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FANSLER  asked  whether  the main  bill  or  this                                                               
amendment speaks  to a situation where  there is a tie  or second                                                               
and third place tie.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ENRIGHT explained  that it  would be  addressed in  the same                                                               
manner  as any  other tie  vote would  be addressed  under Alaska                                                               
State Statute, "through a lot or a coin toss."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:07:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FANSLER withdrew his objection.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:07:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD objected.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:07:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken.   Representatives  Kreiss-Tomkins,                                                               
LeDoux,  Fansler,  Eastman, and  Claman  voted  in favor  of  the                                                               
adoption  of  Amendment 1.    Representatives  Kopp and  Reinbold                                                               
voted against it.   Therefore, Amendment 1 was adopted  by a vote                                                               
of 5-2.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:07:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN moved to adopt Amendment 2, Version 30-                                                                  
LS0038\U.2, Bullard, 4/14/17, which read as follows:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 1, following "nonpartisan":                                                                                 
          Insert "ranked-choice"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, line 9, following "nonpartisan":                                                                                 
          Insert "ranked-choice"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 7, following line 12:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new paragraph to read:                                                                                            
               "(16)  The director shall design the primary                                                                     
     or  special  primary  election  ballot  to  accommodate                                                                    
     ranked-choice voting for candidates  for the offices of                                                                    
     governor  and lieutenant  governor, for  candidates for                                                                    
     the  legislature, and  for  candidates  for the  United                                                                    
     States Congress.  The ballot shall direct  the voter to                                                                    
     mark candidates in  order of preference and  to mark as                                                                    
     many choices as  the voter wishes, but not  to assign a                                                                    
     particular ranking  to more than  one candidate  in the                                                                    
     same race."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
     Page 7, following line 20:                                                                                                 
     Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                          
        "* Sec.  12. AS 15.15.350  is amended by  adding new                                                                  
     subsections to read:                                                                                                       
          (c)  When counting primary or special primary                                                                         
     election  ranked-choice  voting ballots,  the  election                                                                    
     board  shall initially  count each  ballot as  one vote                                                                    
     for  the  highest-ranked  continuing candidate  on  the                                                                    
     ballot  or   as  an  exhausted  ballot.   The  election                                                                    
     threshold  shall be  calculated. Tabulation  shall then                                                                    
     proceed sequentially as follows:                                                                                           
               (1)  if the number of continuing candidates                                                                      
     whose  vote totals  exceed  the  election threshold  is                                                                    
     equal to  two, those two candidates  are nominated, and                                                                    
     the   tabulation  is   complete;  if   the  number   of                                                                    
     continuing  candidates is  equal to  or less  than two,                                                                    
     then  those continuing  candidates  are nominated,  and                                                                    
     the tabulation  is complete; otherwise,  the tabulation                                                                    
     continues to (2) of this subsection;                                                                                       
               (2)  if no candidate has a vote total that                                                                       
     exceeds   the   election  threshold,   the   tabulation                                                                    
     continues to  (3) of this  subsection; if at  least one                                                                    
     continuing candidate has a vote  total that exceeds the                                                                    
     election threshold, then  the continuing candidate with                                                                    
     the  highest vote  total is  nominated,  the number  of                                                                    
     surplus votes  for the  candidate shall  be calculated,                                                                    
     and  the surplus  fraction for  the candidate  shall be                                                                    
     calculated; the  new transfer value  of each  vote cast                                                                    
     for the  candidate shall be  calculated; votes  for the                                                                    
     candidate  shall  be  added,   at  their  new  transfer                                                                    
     values, to  the totals of each  ballot's highest-ranked                                                                    
     continuing candidates or  counted as exhausted ballots,                                                                    
     and a  new round begins  under (1) of  this subsection;                                                                    
     in  all  subsequent  rounds, candidates  elected  under                                                                    
     this paragraph  have vote totals equal  to the election                                                                    
     threshold;                                                                                                                 
               (3)   the candidate with the  fewest votes is                                                                    
     defeated; then, if the  number of continuing candidates                                                                    
     is  equal   to  two,  all  continuing   candidates  are                                                                    
     elected,  and the  tabulation  is complete;  otherwise,                                                                    
     votes  for the  defeated  candidate shall  cease to  be                                                                    
     counted for the defeated  candidate and shall be added,                                                                    
     at their current  transfer values, to the  total of the                                                                    
     next-ranked  continuing  candidate  on each  ballot  or                                                                    
     counted as  exhausted ballots, and  a new  round begins                                                                    
     under (1) of this subsection.                                                                                              
          (d) When counting primary or special primary                                                                          
     ranked-choice election ballots,                                                                                            
               (1)  a ballot  assigning a particular ranking                                                                    
     to  more than  one  candidate for  an  office shall  be                                                                    
     declared invalid when the double ranking is reached;                                                                       
               (2)   if a ballot  skips a ranking,  then the                                                                    
     election board shall count the next ranking; and                                                                           
               (3)     if  there  is  a   tie  vote  between                                                                    
     continuing candidates,  the procedures  in AS 15.15.460                                                                    
     and AS 15.20.430 - 15.20.530 shall be followed.                                                                            
          (e) In this section,                                                                                                  
               (1)      "continuing   candidate"   means   a                                                                    
     candidate that has not been defeated or nominated;                                                                         
               (2)   "election  threshold" means  the number                                                                    
     of votes  sufficient for a  candidate to  be nominated;                                                                    
     the election  threshold is  calculated by  dividing the                                                                    
     total number of votes  for continuing candidates in the                                                                    
     first round  by three and  rounding up to  four decimal                                                                    
     places;                                                                                                                    
               (3)   "exhausted ballot" means a  ballot that                                                                    
     is not  counted for a  continuing candidate for  one or                                                                    
     more of the following reasons:                                                                                             
               (A)     it   does  not   rank  a   continuing                                                                    
     candidate;                                                                                                                 
               (B)  its  highest continuing ranking contains                                                                    
     an overvote; or                                                                                                            
               (C)   it  includes  two  or more  consecutive                                                                    
     skipped   rankings   before  its   highest   continuing                                                                    
     ranking;                                                                                                                   
               (4)   "highest continuing ranking"  means the                                                                    
     highest ranking for a continuing candidate;                                                                                
               (5)   "overvote"  means the  assignment by  a                                                                    
     voter of the same ranking to more than one candidate;                                                                      
               (6)   "ranking" means the number  assigned by                                                                    
     a voter  to a candidate  to express the  voter's choice                                                                    
     for that  candidate; a  ranking of  "1" is  the highest                                                                    
     ranking, followed by "2," and then "3," and so on;                                                                         
               (7)    "round"  means   an  instance  of  the                                                                    
     sequence of  voting tabulation in a  primary or special                                                                    
     primary election;                                                                                                          
               (8)  "skipped ranking"  means a ranking blank                                                                    
     on  a  ballot  on  which a  voter  has  ranked  another                                                                    
     candidate at a subsequent ranking;                                                                                         
               (9)   "surplus"  means a  positive difference                                                                    
     between  a  candidate's  vote total  and  the  election                                                                    
     threshold;                                                                                                                 
               (10)   "surplus  fraction"  means the  number                                                                    
     equal  to   a  candidate's   surplus  divided   by  the                                                                    
     candidate's  vote  total,  calculated to  four  decimal                                                                    
     places and ignoring any remainder;                                                                                         
               (11)   "transfer value" means  the proportion                                                                    
     of a vote that a  ballot will contribute to its highest                                                                    
     continuing ranking; each ballot  begins with a transfer                                                                    
     value of  one; if a  ballot transfers from  a nominated                                                                    
     candidate  with a  surplus, the  ballot receives  a new                                                                    
     transfer value  that is  calculated by  multiplying the                                                                    
     surplus  fraction of  the  nominated  candidate by  the                                                                    
     current  transfer value  of the  ballot, calculated  to                                                                    
     four decimal places and ignoring any remainder.                                                                            
        * Sec. 13. AS 15.15.360(a)(1) is amended to read:                                                                     
               (1)    A voter  may  mark  a ballot  only  by                                                                    
     filling in, making "X"  marks, diagonal, horizontal, or                                                                    
     vertical   marks,   solid    marks,   stars,   circles,                                                                    
     asterisks,  checks,  or  plus signs  that  are  clearly                                                                    
     spaced in the oval opposite  the name of the candidate,                                                                    
     proposition,  or question  that  the  voter desires  to                                                                    
     designate. In addition, a voter  may mark a ballot at a                                                                
     primary  or  special primary  election  by  the use  of                                                                
     roman  or Arabic  numerals that  are clearly  spaced in                                                                
     one of the  squares opposite the name  of the candidate                                                                
     that the voter desires to rank.                                                                                        
        * Sec. 14. AS 15.15.360(a)(4) is amended to read:                                                                     
               (4)  Except as provided in AS 15.15.350(c)                                                                   
     for primary  and special  primary election  ballots, if                                                                
     [IF] a  voter marks more  names than there  are persons                                                                    
     to be elected  to the office, the  votes for candidates                                                                    
     for that office may not be counted.                                                                                        
        * Sec. 15. AS 15.15.370 is amended to read:                                                                           
          Sec. 15.15.370. Completion of ballot count;                                                                         
     certificate. When  the count  of ballots  is completed,                                                                  
     and in no event later  than the day after the election,                                                                    
     the  election   board  shall  make  a   certificate  in                                                                    
     duplicate of the results.  The certificate includes the                                                                    
     number of votes cast  for each candidate, including the                                                                
     number  of  votes  at  each round  of  the  primary  or                                                                
     special   primary   ranked-choice   voting   tabulation                                                                
     process under AS 15.15.350(c), and  the number of votes                                                                
     for and  against each  proposition, yes  or no  on each                                                                    
     question, and any  additional information prescribed by                                                                    
     the  director. The  election  board shall,  immediately                                                                    
     upon  completion   of  the   certificate  or   as  soon                                                                    
     thereafter as  the local mail service  permits, send in                                                                    
     one  sealed package  to the  director one  copy of  the                                                                    
     certificate and the register.  In addition, all ballots                                                                    
     properly  cast shall  be mailed  to the  director in  a                                                                    
     separate,  sealed package.  Both packages,  in addition                                                                    
     to an  address on  the outside, shall  clearly indicate                                                                    
     the precinct  from which they  come. Each  board shall,                                                                    
     immediately  upon completion  of the  certification and                                                                    
     as soon  thereafter as the local  mail service permits,                                                                    
     send  the  duplicate   certificate  to  the  respective                                                                    
     election   supervisor.  The   director  may   authorize                                                                    
     election  boards in  precincts  in those  areas of  the                                                                    
     state   where   distance    and   weather   make   mail                                                                    
     communication  unreliable  to  forward  their  election                                                                    
     results by telephone, telegram,  or radio. The director                                                                    
     may  authorize the  unofficial totaling  of votes  on a                                                                    
     regional  basis by  election supervisors,  tallying the                                                                    
     votes  as  indicated   on  duplicate  certificates.  To                                                                    
     assure   adequate   protection,  the   director   shall                                                                
     prescribe the  manner in which the  ballots, registers,                                                                    
     and  all  other  election  records  and  materials  are                                                                    
     thereafter preserved, transferred, and destroyed.                                                                          
        * Sec. 16. AS 15.15.450 is amended to read:                                                                           
          Sec. 15.15.450. Certification of state ballot                                                                       
     counting review.  Upon completion  of the  state ballot                                                                  
     counting  review  for  a  primary  or  special  primary                                                                
     election, the  director shall  certify the  two persons                                                                
     receiving   the  greatest   majority  and   the  second                                                                
     greatest  majority of  votes for  the office  for which                                                                
     those  persons  were  candidates as  nominated  to  the                                                                
     general election  ballot, and, for a  general election,                                                                
     the  director shall  certify the  person receiving  the                                                                    
     largest number of  votes for the office  for which that                                                                    
     person was  a candidate as  elected to that  office and                                                                    
     shall certify  the approval of  a justice or  judge not                                                                    
     rejected  by a  majority of  the voters  voting on  the                                                                    
     question.  The  director  shall issue  to  the  elected                                                                    
     candidates   and  approved   justices   and  judges   a                                                                    
     certificate   of  their   election  or   approval.  The                                                                    
     director   shall  also   certify  the   results  of   a                                                                    
     proposition   and  other   question  except   that  the                                                                    
     lieutenant  governor shall  certify the  results of  an                                                                    
     initiative, referendum, or constitutional amendment."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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          "(b)  The director shall include instructions on                                                                      
     primary and special  primary election ballots directing                                                                    
     the voter to rank candidates  for an office in order of                                                                    
     preference and  to rank  as many  choices as  the voter                                                                    
     wishes,  but not  to assign  the same  ranking to  more                                                                    
     than one candidate."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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     majority"                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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     majority of"                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "may vote for any candidate listed"                                                                            
          Insert "must rank the candidates in the numerical                                                                     
     order of  your preference,  ranking as  many candidates                                                                    
     as you wish. Your  second, third, and subsequent ranked                                                                    
     choices  will  be counted  only  if  the candidate  you                                                                    
     ranked first does not receive  enough votes to continue                                                                    
     on to the next round  of counting, so ranking a second,                                                                    
     third, or  subsequent choice will not  hurt your first-                                                                    
     choice   candidate.  Your   ballot   will  be   counted                                                                    
     regardless of whether  you choose to rank  one, two, or                                                                    
     more candidates  for each  office, but  it will  not be                                                                    
     counted if  you assign  the same  ranking to  more than                                                                    
     one candidate for the same office"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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     majority of"                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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     order of  your preference,  ranking as  many candidates                                                                    
     as you wish. Your  second, third, and subsequent ranked                                                                    
     choices  will  be counted  only  if  the candidate  you                                                                    
     ranked first does not receive  enough votes to continue                                                                    
     on to the next round  of counting, so ranking a second,                                                                    
     third, or  subsequent choice will not  hurt your first-                                                                    
     choice   candidate.  Your   ballot   will  be   counted                                                                    
     regardless of whether  you choose to rank  one, two, or                                                                    
     more candidates  for each  office, but  it will  not be                                                                    
     counted if  you assign  the same  ranking to  more than                                                                    
     one candidate for the same office"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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        "* Sec. 59. AS 15.80.010 is  amended by adding a new                                                                  
     paragraph to read:                                                                                                         
               (46)  "ranked-choice voting" means the                                                                           
     method of casting and tabulating  votes at a primary or                                                                    
     special   primary  election   in   which  voters   rank                                                                    
     candidates  in   order  of  preference  and   in  which                                                                    
     tabulation  proceeds  in  sequential  rounds  in  which                                                                    
     last-place candidates  are defeated and  the candidates                                                                    
     with  the greatest  majority of  votes  and the  second                                                                    
     greatest majority  of votes are nominated  to appear on                                                                    
     the general election ballot."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert "RANKED-CHOICE OPEN"                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:08:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  offered  that Amendment  2  provides  an                                                               
opportunity to include  "ranked-choice voting" in this  bill.  He                                                               
explained that  "ranked-choice voting" in  multi-winner elections                                                               
maximizes the effectiveness of every  vote to ensure that as many                                                               
voters as possible will help  elect a candidate they rank highly.                                                               
It  minimizes wasted  votes and  the impact  of tactical  voting,                                                               
allows  voters   to  have   more  choices,   encourages  positive                                                               
campaigning   collation    building,   upholds    both   minority                                                               
representation, and the  principle of majority rule.   Due to its                                                               
proven history,  its emphasis on  candidates rather  than parties                                                               
in  its ability  to allow  voters  to express  their full  honest                                                               
preference on  the ballots, ranked-choice  voting is the  form of                                                               
fair  representative voting  best suited  for use  in the  United                                                               
States  elections.   Recently,  he advised,  the  State of  Maine                                                               
decided to  take this  route and  they are  the first  state and,                                                               
were Alaska to do this it would be the second state.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:09:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX said  she  was unsure  whether she  really                                                               
opposed  this amendment  as it  was fairly  complicated, but  she                                                               
would certainly look  into the amendment as the bill  moved on to                                                               
the next committee of referral, assuming it so moved.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:10:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS described  it as  a monster  of an                                                               
amendment,   shared  Representative   LeDoux's  intrigue   having                                                               
followed ranked-choice  voting (RCV) quite  a bit, and  noted the                                                               
State  of  Maine  initiative  made Maine  the  first  state,  but                                                               
several municipalities  may have ranked-choice voting.   He asked                                                               
Representative Eastman  to explain  how this would  interact with                                                               
the bill  as written, whether it  would be an ornament  on top or                                                               
would effectively replace it.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN   responded  that   there  many   way  of                                                               
performing  ranked-choice  voting,  and  in this  case  the  bill                                                               
creates a top  two results of a  primary that go off  into a run-                                                               
off  in the  general remains  as  is, the  amendment revamps  the                                                               
primary portion  of the bill  completely.  For example,  it comes                                                               
up in a situation where "you  have so many candidates who run for                                                               
the  office  based  on  however many  candidates  run"  and  then                                                               
calculate those top  two and those top two would  go on, and from                                                               
there the  bill would be  unchanged.   He explained that  part of                                                               
that is because it's the bill  in front of the committee and that                                                               
would have  been a completely  different bill to carry  that into                                                               
the general, but also, he  further explained, research found that                                                               
[Alaska's] constitution may  have a prohibition, at  least in the                                                               
gubernatorial race,  against ranked-choice voting in  the general                                                               
election for the governor.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:12:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KREISS-TOMKINS  surmised   that  basically   the                                                               
primary election would be a  ranked-choice vote, and then the top                                                               
two coming out of that  ranked-choice vote primary election would                                                               
advance to the general, and it would be the top two.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN answered in the affirmative.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:12:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked whether  it would  still be  an open                                                               
primary system under Amendment 2.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  responded  that there  is  nothing  that                                                               
would say  it would  have to  change, and  that could  be another                                                               
discussion point  if there was  a reason  to change it.   Ranked-                                                               
choice  voting,  he  explained,  is  not  mutually  exclusive  to                                                               
nonpartisan  in  any manner.    There  could  still be  the  same                                                               
opportunity to identify  as a particular party  candidate but the                                                               
party would  not be  controlling who could  file for  office, and                                                               
who could be part of that first election.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:13:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked whether  the State  of Maine  has an                                                               
open primary, because her office  had not identified the State of                                                               
Maine as having an open primary.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN replied  that  he thought  Representative                                                               
LeDoux was correct, but he was not  an expert on that part of the                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX related  that she would be  willing to look                                                               
into this.  It appears  Representative Kreiss-Tomkins may also be                                                               
fascinated by the idea and he  is the chair of the next committee                                                               
of referral, she offered.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KREISS-TOMKINS  concurred   with  Representative                                                               
LeDoux's  comments,  and described  the  amendment  as a  knuckle                                                               
ball.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:14:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  said that he  does not support this  amendment, and                                                               
referred  to  Alpheus  Bullard, Legislative  Legal  and  Research                                                               
Services, 4/4/17  memorandum directed to  Representative Eastman,                                                               
page 3, last two sentences of  the first paragraph, which read as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Note that the language required to implement a "multi-                                                                     
     winner"  ranked-choice  system defines  simplification.                                                                    
     Given  the  time  allotted,  I  used  the  language  of                                                                    
     Fairvote's    multi-winner     ranked-choice    system,                                                                    
     modifying it only  as necessary or as  appropriate to a                                                                    
     "two-winner" system                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN commented  that  this is  an  interesting idea  and                                                               
there is the  notion that ranked-choice voting  is also sometimes                                                               
called the  "instant run-off method."   He opined that,  at least                                                               
with regard  to the state's nonpartisan  municipal elections, the                                                               
instant run-off  would be  a positive  thing particularly  in the                                                               
mayoral races  where 25  percent of  the voters  show up  for the                                                               
first go-round  which turns  out to  be a  run-off, and  about 15                                                               
percent  of  the  voters  show  up for  the  second  round.    He                                                               
described, with  regard to instant run-offs  and ranked-choice it                                                               
would be a service to the voters to not go through the cost.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:15:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX maintained her objection.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:15:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  related that he appreciated  the comments                                                               
from the  committee as this  is something that hasn't  been tried                                                               
before, noting a desire to  change something for the better after                                                               
carefully considering what would  be considered "the better," and                                                               
that he offered the amendment as  part of that conversation.  The                                                               
drafter  of the  amendment  noted there  had to  be  a number  of                                                               
caveats to  account for all  of the different  potential outcomes                                                               
of tie-votes, such as incorrectly  marking a ballot and so forth,                                                               
which required complexity in the  language which was unavoidable.                                                               
He stressed that there was no slight  to the drafter who put in a                                                               
huge  amount  of time  drafting  the  amendment.   Representative                                                               
Eastman  withdrew  Amendment  2,   with  the  understanding  that                                                               
hopefully  this  amendment could  be  part  of the  understanding                                                               
moving forward.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:16:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS commented that  he is supportive of                                                               
the bill  and intrigued by  Amendment 2,  and was excited  to see                                                               
the bill and amendment in the next committee of referral.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP commented  that he does not  support the bill                                                               
and believes HB 200 intentionally  dilutes the validity of having                                                               
political parties, the purpose of  having primary elections is so                                                               
that voters  can see  which candidate  best supports  their party                                                               
views,  and it  introduces mischief  into the  process by  having                                                               
insincere candidates  committing to carrying out  the platform of                                                               
the party on behalf of many voters.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:18:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  noted that  the policy  of the  bill had                                                               
not been  vetted well  and that she  found it  disturbing because                                                               
the  process in  which  people  are elected,  and  the people  in                                                               
power, is of the upmost importance  to the people of Alaska.  She                                                               
said she does not support HB 200.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:19:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FANSLER said he was intrigued by this bill.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:19:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   EASTMAN  commented   that  like   many  of   his                                                               
constituents,  he  looked at  the  trend  in  the state  and  the                                                               
effectiveness of  its current primary process  and the relatively                                                               
new trend  of people running  in primaries and then  resigning or                                                               
moving to a different ticket, and  said he could not imagine that                                                               
this happens often in a lot of  other states.  Due to that issue,                                                               
there is  a desire  to step  away from that  trend and  this bill                                                               
might become  a vehicle to  do that,  except he does  not support                                                               
the bill's current language.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:20:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  pointed  out   that  this  is  the  third                                                               
committee hearing  on this bill  and; therefore, it could  not be                                                               
said that this bill was being fast tracked.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX,  in  response   to  comments  made  in  a                                                               
previous  committee   hearing,  offered   to  make   available  a                                                               
memorandum  from  Legislative  Council  directed  to  Legislative                                                               
Legal and Research Services advising  how it is to prioritize its                                                               
work.   She  expressed there  is  nothing in  that memorandum  to                                                               
suggest that minority  amendments [or requests] be  placed at the                                                               
bottom of the barrel.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX advised  that for  the reasons  previously                                                               
stated, this  is a good bill  and she would appreciate  moving it                                                               
to the next committee of referral.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:22:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FANSLER moved  to  report CSHB  200, Version  30-                                                               
LS0038\U  out of  committee with  individual recommendations  and                                                               
the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD objected.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:22:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken.   Representatives  Kreiss-Tomkins,                                                               
LeDoux, Fansler,  and Claman  voted in favor  of moving  CSHB 200                                                               
out of  committee.  Representatives  Reinbold, Kopp,  and Eastman                                                               
voted against it.   Therefore, CSHB 200(JUD) was  reported out of                                                               
the House Judiciary Standing Committee by a vote of 4-3.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:23:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 6:23 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB200 Draft Proposed CS ver U 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Sponsor Statement 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Explanation of Changes ver U 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Sectional Analysis ver U 4.14.17.pdf HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Bill Highlights 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Sectional Analysis ver O 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Supporting Document-Washington Supreme Court Ruling 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Supporting Documents-Top 2 Primary FAQs for Candidates - Elections & Voting - WA Secretary of State 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Additional Document-Top Two Primaries Nationally 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Supporting Document-Letters 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Additional Document-Legal Opinion 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Additional Document-Leg Research Report Voter Turnout 4.14.17.pdf HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Supporting Document-Additional Letters of Support 4.14.17.pdf HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Opposing Document-Letters of Opposition 4.14.17.pdf HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Opposing Document-Letter and Articles Kenneth Jacobus April 10th, 2017 4.15.17.pdf HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Opposing Document-Letter and Article Kenneth Jacobus April 11th, 2017 4.15.17.pdf HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Amendments #1-2 4.15.17.pdf HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Amendments #1-2 HJUD Final Votes 4.15.17.pdf HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB200 Fiscal Note OOG-DOE 4.10.17.pdf HJUD 4/10/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 200
HB013 ver O 4.14.17.PDF HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 13
HB013 Sponsor Statement 4.14.17.pdf HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 13
HB013 Explanation of Changes 4.14.17.pdf HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 13
HB13 Supporting Document - Timeline for Korematsu's Resolution 2.17.17.pdf HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HSTA 2/18/2017 11:00:00 AM
HB 13
HB013 Supporting Document-Korematsu v US 4.14.17.pdf HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 13
HB013 Supporting Document-Research Document 4.14.17.pdf HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 13
HB013 HJUD PowerPoint Presentation 4.14.17.pdf HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 13
HB013 HJUD PowerPoint Presentation 4.14.17.pptx HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 13
HB013 Fiscal Note OOG-OMB 4.14.17.PDF HJUD 4/14/2017 1:00:00 PM
HJUD 4/15/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 13