Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 106
03/13/2008 03:00 PM House HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES
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| HB190 | |
| HB397 | |
| Adjourn |
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| *+ | HB 190 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 397 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 403 | TELECONFERENCED | |
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ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE
March 13, 2008
3:04 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair
Representative Bob Roses, Vice Chair
Representative Anna Fairclough
Representative Wes Keller
Representative Paul Seaton
Representative Sharon Cissna
Representative Berta Gardner
MEMBERS ABSENT
All members present
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 190
"An Act relating to break times for employees who nurse a
child."
- MOVED CSSSHB 190(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE
HOUSE BILL NO. 397
"An Act creating a postsecondary scholarship grant program for
Alaska residents based on high achievement and financial need."
- HEARD AND HELD
HOUSE BILL NO. 403
"An Act appropriating $100,000,000 to the Alaska achievers'
scholarship fund; and providing for an effective date."
- SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION
BILL: HB 190
SHORT TITLE: NURSING MOTHERS IN WORKPLACE
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) CISSNA
03/12/07 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
03/12/07 (H) HES, L&C
04/25/07 (H) SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE INTRODUCED
04/25/07 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
04/25/07 (H) HES, L&C
03/13/08 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106
BILL: HB 397
SHORT TITLE: POSTSECONDARY SCHOLARSHIPS
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) GUTTENBERG
02/19/08 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/19/08 (H) HES, FIN
03/13/08 (H) HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106
WITNESS REGISTER
ANNA SORENSEN, Staff
to Representative Sharon Cissna
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented HB 190 on behalf of
Representative Cissna, prime sponsor.
GREY MITCHELL, Director
Central Office
Division of Labor Standards & Safety
Department of Labor & Workforce Development (DLWD) Juneau,
Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified during the hearing on HB 190.
CATHERINE TAPEY, President
Alaska Breastfeeding Coalition
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 190.
DEBRA GOLDEN, Nurse Consultant
Section of Women, Children & Family Health
Division of Public Health
Department of Health & Social Services
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 190.
ERIN MACARTHUR, Pediatrician; Board Member
Alaska Breastfeeding Coalition
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 190.
COLLEEN TURNER, Executive Director
Resource Center for Parents and Children
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 190.
DEADRA HALL, Nursing mother; Employee
ASEA/AFSCME Local 52
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 190.
WILLIE ANDERSON, Lobbyist
National Education Association (NEA) Alaska
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 190.
REPRESENTATIVE DAVID GUTTENBERG
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced HB 397, as the prime sponsor.
WILLIAM ANDREWS, Member
Board of Regents
University of Alaska; Student
University of Alaska Southeast
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and 403.
DIANE BARRANS, Executive Director
Postsecondary Education Commission
Department of Education and Early Development
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 190.
ANNAMARIA DICOLA, Student
University of Alaska
Homer, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support for HB 397 and 403.
JOHN ROBERSON III, Student Body President
University of Anchorage
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and 403.
RYAN BUCHHOLDT, Student
University of Alaska Anchorage
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and 403.
MISTY M. GIL MARTINEZ, Student
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397.
MEREDITH CAMERON, Student
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397.
DAVID CHILDERS, Student
University of Alaska Anchorage
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and HB 403.
MARY GOWER, Director
Enrollment Services
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and HB 403.
DELIGHT KENNEDY, Student
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and HB 403.
CHRISTOPHER STEFANOVICH, Student
University of Alaska Anchorage
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and 403.
JAKE HAMBURG, Student Body President
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and HB 403.
CASEY MELIAH, Student
University of Alaska Anchorage
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and HB 403.
DANIEL SWISHER, Student
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and HB 403.
SETH HOLTSHOUSER, Student
University of Alaska Anchorage
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and HB 403.
JOSEPH HICKMAN, Director
Student Support Services
University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF)
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and HB
403.
ANDY ANGAIAK, Director
Upward Bound Program
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified during the hearing on HB 397 and
HB 403.
MELANIE K. LEYDON, Student
University of Alaska Anchorage (UAA)
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and HB 403.
KEVIN TURNBOUGH, Employee
Upward Bound
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified during the hearing on HB 397 and
HB 403.
DANA L. THOMAS, Professor of Statistics; Assistant Provost for
General Studies
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397.
LINDSEY FORREST, Student Government President
University of Alaska Southeast
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 397 and HB 403.
ACTION NARRATIVE
CHAIR PEGGY WILSON called the House Health, Education and Social
Services Standing Committee meeting to order at 3:04:54 PM.
Representatives Wilson, Roses, Keller, Seaton, Cissna, and
Gardner were present at the call to order. Representative
Fairclough arrived as the meeting was in progress.
3:05:42 PM
HB 190-NURSING MOTHERS IN WORKPLACE
3:07:42 PM
CHAIR WILSON announced that the first order of business would be
SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 190,"An Act relating to
break times for employees who nurse a child." She then stated
that Version E was before the committee.
3:07:52 PM
ANNA SORENSEN, staff to Representative Sharon Cissna, Alaska
State Legislature, related that in February, 2007, the governor
established the Alaska Health Care Strategies Planning Council
to address health care issues. The highest priority of the
council was the recommendation of personal responsibility for
one's health care. House Bill 190 complies with this priority
by ensuring that nursing mothers are not hindered from being
personally responsible for their own, and their children's,
health. She explained that mothers are the fastest growing
segment of the U. S. labor force, approximately 70 percent of
employed mothers with children younger than three years of age
work full time, one-third of these mothers return to work within
three months after birth, and two-thirds return within six
months. Furthermore, mothers who work outside the home initiate
breastfeeding at the same rate as mothers who stay at home;
however, the breastfeeding rate declines substantially in
mothers who return to work resulting in a shorter duration of
breastfeeding of their children.
3:09:54 PM
MS. SORENSEN continued to explain that in Alaska, from 2000 to
2003, 43 percent of mothers of newborn infants reported that
they were currently in school or working outside of their home.
In addition, of the mothers who stopped breastfeeding their
infants, 22 percent reported that one reason they did so was
because they were returning to work or school. The United States
Breastfeeding Committee reports that breastfeeding provides
numerous well documented health benefits to mothers including:
reduced risks for breast and ovarian cancer; reduced risk of
bleeding after birth; reduced rate of diabetes; reduced rates of
osteoporosis and bone fractures; the promotion of postpartum
weight loss; and the promotion of emotional good health.
3:12:34 PM
MS. SORENSEN then listed the many benefits breastfeeding
provides for infants and the developing child. Furthermore,
benefits to employers include less employee absenteeism, less
employee turnover, faster return from maternity leave, lower
utilization of employee health care benefits, and improved
morale and loyalty. Fifteen states have laws related to
breastfeeding or expressing milk in the workplace and Ms.
Sorensen explained the different standards of each.
3:17:00 PM
MS. SORENSEN indicated that SSHB 190, Version E, has three
components that employers must provide: reasonable unpaid break
time to an employee who is the nursing mother of a child; a
private, secure, and sanitary room where an employee can
breastfeed or express milk; and a procedure for enforcement.
She then gave the definitions for "employer" and "undue
hardship" that are proposed in the bill and noted that there are
two amendments offered by Representative Cissna.
3:19:23 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked for the definition of "reasonable
unpaid break time" as allowed by the bill.
3:20:19 PM
MS. SORENSEN explained that a reasonable time generally includes
15 minutes to 30 minutes to nurse or express milk.
3:20:32 PM
CHAIR WILSON observed that some employees may require additional
time.
3:21:02 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA explained that this is unpaid time and the
bill specifies that any additional time needed was not to be
paid by the employer.
3:21:48 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES indicated that this language is only
acceptable to him with the passage of the amendment that removes
the penalty section of the bill.
3:22:18 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH suggested that there should be a limit
to the number of months or years that an employee could
breastfeed, in addition to the amount of time taken each day.
Also, she cautioned about the potential cost to an employer to
provide an appropriate location in close proximity to the work
space.
3:24:34 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA pointed out that the bill stipulates a
location "other than a toilet stall" which does not exclude a
bathroom and provides some flexibility to the employer.
Regarding the length of time for the mother to breastfeed, the
first six months of a baby's life provide the highest benefits.
However, the bill allows for an interactive process between an
employer and an employee to address these issues and to build a
strong work environment.
3:26:37 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH agreed that families and the health of
children always come first. She related her personal experience
in employing nursing mothers as a non-profit employer and the
problems with limited space. Accommodating employees is a team
effort, but one size does not fit all, thus the requirement of
providing space would be a cost to an employer to implement the
bill.
3:28:34 PM
CHAIR WILSON questioned whether the language in the bill ensures
fair treatment to an employer who has limited space.
3:29:51 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA directed the committee's attention to page
1, line 10, which read: "(b) Unless to do so would create a
substantial and undue hardship on the employer, ...." She
acknowledged that in the case of an employee who works in a one-
room office, nursing in the workplace would not be a good
choice. The intent of the bill is to invite Alaskans to begin
building on all of the possibilities to promote good health.
3:31:02 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES pointed out that the "undue hardship"
clause of the bill allows for the consideration of the size and
situation of the employer. The penalty clauses are being
removed, and the statement of reasonableness covers his
concerns.
3:31:53 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER agreed with Representative Roses.
3:32:06 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked whether the term "undue hardship"
corresponds with the American Disabilities Act (ADA) definition.
He noted that the ADA definition requires a very high standard
of modification to a workplace and a challenge to the bill may
require a court interpretation. If the definition in the bill
does not follow the ADA standard he said that he would support
the bill.
3:33:19 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA read page 2, line 7 through 9, of the
bill. She opined that the definitions "don't sound like
definitions that would come with physical disabilities."
3:34:03 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON disagreed and said that the ADA definition
has broad implications for employers. Furthermore, he asked for
the meaning of "sanitary room" on page 1, line 11, of the bill.
3:34:50 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA responded that a "sanitary room" is a
reasonably clean room with a sink and with soap and water
available.
3:35:24 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON observed that those requirements would
disqualify a private office. He suggested that the expectations
of a "sanitary room" need to be on the record.
3:36:15 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA stressed that the sponsor's intent was to
provide an appropriately clean room, with or without running
water. In a rural setting, employers may need to be creative.
3:37:03 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES advised that a food handler's permit
requires a sanitary station which can be as simple as providing
disinfectant wipes. As far as the ADA requirements are
concerned, a lactating mother is not disabled.
3:38:17 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON acknowledged that was not his point; but
it is important to provide the source of the definition. He
assumed that an individual bathroom would be acceptable under
some circumstances.
3:39:20 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA agreed and suggested that a more general
definition in the bill would be better.
3:40:00 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER commented that she was shocked that her
daughter was nursing in a bathroom at her work until her
daughter said, "Oh, it's great, there's a big chair and
counters." Representative Gardner opined that an acceptable
room cannot be unsanitary, such as a mop closet or room filled
with fish guts, but not necessarily sterile, either.
3:40:51 PM
GREY MITCHELL, Director, Central Office, Division of Labor
Standards & Safety, Department of Labor & Workforce Development
(DLWD), said that having the penalty aspect of HB 190 removed
solves many potential problems with the bill.
3:42:14 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked whether the definition of "employer"
found on page 2, line 4, generally fits with definitions used by
the DLWD.
MR. MITCHELL said that some definitions require a certain number
of employees. He opined that this language appears to be a
broad definition and to encompass all employers, except for the
federal government.
3:43:18 PM
CHAIR WILSON asked whether the language fits the ADA standards.
MR. MITCHELL said that he did not know.
3:43:39 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked how the DLWD would interpret
"sanitary room" for enforcement purposes.
MR. MITCHELL explained that bringing clarity to the term at this
time would be helpful, otherwise provisions of case law would
need to be researched to determine the meaning.
3:44:55 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked whether the discussion during the
hearing today had provided ample clarity for the term.
MR. MITCHELL stated that the comment made by Representative
Gardner made the interpretation fairly clear.
3:45:34 PM
CHAIR WILSON added that there are many women working in
construction, with portable bathrooms, and no appropriate areas.
She suggested "a sanitary room, much like found in a normal
household."
3:46:17 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA recommended "a not unsanitary room." On
the other hand, a mother may be using a vehicle or another
creative solution.
3:47:06 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER advised that a sanitary room is a place
where one is comfortable eating lunch.
3:47:25 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES opined that using a personal standard of
home conditions may not be the right approach, given the
variables of acceptability. The intent of the bill is
relatively clear and he stated that he is comfortable with the
existing language.
3:48:44 PM
CATHERINE TAPEY, President, Alaska Breastfeeding Coalition,
stated her support for HB 190, paraphrasing from a prepared
statement which read as follows [original punctuation provided
see packet]:
The Alaska Breastfeeding Coalition supports bills SB
113 and HB 190, an act relating to break times for
employees who nurse a child. As professionals, we see
on a daily basis the dilemma of mothers as they return
to work. We know that many women choose to quit
breastfeeding sooner than they would like due to the
difficulty they experience when trying to express
their milk for their child during their work schedule.
The passage of bills SB 113 and HB 190 will not only
benefit breastfeeding mothers and their infants, but
employers as well. Breastfed babies generally develop
fewer occurrences of ear infections, lower respiratory
infections, and GI illnesses during infancy and
childhood. This translates into fewer absences from
work by the parent. In addition, healthier children
have fewer doctor visits reducing health care costs.
As stated in a letter to the Editor of the New York
Times by Dr. Audrey Naylor, "A goal of the United
States Breastfeeding Committee is that 'every woman,
regardless of her employment status, will have the
opportunity to provide breast milk for her child.'"
By showing support for SB 113 and HB 190 you can
protect breastfeeding mothers from discrimination and
support their efforts to raise healthy babies. We
find this legislation to be a step forward in reaching
that goal.
3:50:46 PM
DEBRA GOLDEN, Nurse Consultant, Section of Women, Children &
Family Health, Division of Public Health, Department of Health &
Social Services, stated her support for HB 190, concurring with
the presentation by Representative Cissna's staff. She
highlighted the most applicable points previously made and cited
statistics regarding the health of breastfed babies, provided by
the Oregon Department of Human Services.
3:54:52 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked whether Ms. Golden was a public
health nurse.
MS. GOLDEN answered that she was a public health nurse in the
past, but she now is a para-natal nurse consultant working for
the Division of Public Health.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked Ms. Golden whether the committee had
completely discussed the possibilities of what constitutes a
private and sanitary room.
MS. GOLDEN agreed that the issue had been well discussed and
said that she was comfortable with language that described the
space for nursing as a home-like environment; clean, but not
sterile.
3:56:37 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked for information regarding the
average time that working women breastfeed.
MS. GOLDEN opined that about 10 percent of women will breastfeed
beyond one year. In addition, women who do not work or work
part-time, breastfeed longer than those who work.
3:58:47 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER observed that it would be reasonable for
an employer to expect that an employee may breastfeed or express
milk for one year or less.
MS. GOLDEN agreed and added that the majority of women
breastfeed for six months. She noted that some medical
organizations recommend breastfeeding beyond twelve months.
CHAIR WILSON opined that any amount of time breastfeeding is a
benefit.
MS. GOLDEN agreed that breastfeeding is important to the infant
"early on."
4:01:06 PM
ERIN MACARTHUR, Pediatrician; Board Member, Alaska Breastfeeding
Coalition, stated her support for HB 190. She pointed out the
preventative effects of breastfeeding on obesity and stated that
obesity is a critical problem in Alaska. Dr. MacArthur
clarified that a mother needs to express milk at work in order
to keep a sufficient supply of milk for the growing needs of her
infant. As a child approaches one year in age, the mother would
need less time at work to express milk.
4:05:08 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH asked Dr. MacArthur to estimate how
much time is necessary to require an employer to allow for a
nursing mother.
DR. MACARTHUR opined that a lunch break and two other breaks
would be adequate as most mothers need 15 to 20 minutes of time.
However, the comfort level for nursing or expressing milk plays
a part in the length of time needed.
4:07:31 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH asked for clarification.
DR. MACARTHUR said three times per day is needed.
4:07:45 PM
CHAIR WILSON asked whether three times during an eight-hour
shift is sufficient.
DR. MACARTHUR said, "Allowing it every three to four hours is
probably the better way to say it."
4:08:02 PM
CHAIR WILSON surmised that, normally, workers have a 15 minute
break in the morning and afternoon, and a lunch hour.
DR. MACARTHUR noted that this schedule should work for most
mothers.
4:08:30 PM
COLLEEN TURNER, Executive Director, Resource Center for Parents
and Children, paraphrased from a prepared statement, which read
as follows [original punctuation provided]:
Our mission is [to] create a culture that values
parenting and keeping children safe. I am here today
to talk with you about HB 190 and my support for the
bill.
It is unfortunate a bill such as this is needed. It
only seems natural that breastfeeding mothers should
be afforded whatever is needed to make the experience
the best possible for the mother and child. I have
been a business leader in the community for over 20
years, seven at the Resource Center. During that time
we have had half a dozen women who have had newborns
and chosen to nurse their babies. Again it only
seemed natural to do everything we could do to make
the experience a successful one.
Because we recognize the value of breastfeeding we
adopted policies that allow mothers to bring their
children to work up until one year of age, if nursing.
This practice kept valuable employees in the workforce
longer, and strengthened the mother/child bond. We
have been able to provide quiet, clean places to
nurse.
4:10:08 PM
DEADRA HALL, informed the committee that she was a nursing mom
and stated her support for HB 190. She is a state worker and
also works for Local 52. In her situation, she drives to her
child's daycare in order to nurse at lunch. Having a permanent,
designated place to nurse at work, and encouragement from her
employer, would enable her child to be brought to her. Ms. Hall
said that there are five nursing mothers in her department
4:12:10 PM
CHAIR WILSON asked Ms. Hall what type of work she does.
MS. HALL said that she is an office worker. She opined that
time for nursing mothers does not place a hardship on her
employer; nevertheless, providing a space is difficult.
CHAIR WILSON asked about Ms. Hall's schedule.
MS. HALL said that she expresses her milk twice and drives
across town to nurse at lunch.
4:13:31 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked how long working mothers have
continued to nurse.
MS. HALL related that one co-worker stopped after three months,
because she was uncomfortable with the arrangements, and others
continue for three to five months.
4:14:47 PM
CHAIR WILSON asked how long Ms. Hall plans to continue.
MS. HALL said that she wished to nurse for at least a year.
4:15:23 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA asked how Ms. Hall's employer reacts to
nursing mothers.
MS. HALL stated that her employer is receptive and is willing to
work with the mothers.
4:16:44 PM
WILLIE ANDERSON, Lobbyist, National Education Association-Alaska
(NEA - Alaska), described the support within NEA - Alaska for
this bill and characterized it as a strong pro-family bill. Mr.
Anderson pointed out that the NEA - Alaska health plan offers a
pump benefit as part of its commitment to support breastfeeding
mothers. He urged members to pass the bill out of committee.
4:18:37 PM
CHAIR WILSON asked whether the teacher's lounge is an acceptable
area for nursing mothers.
MR. ANDERSON said that prior negotiations have been for a
separate and private area, such as the nurse's office.
4:19:09 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked whether negotiations have included
additional time, for teachers who are nursing, beyond planning
time and lunch breaks.
MR. ANDERSON explained that negotiations are on a case-by-case
basis with the teacher and the school principal and additional
time, beyond breaks, lunch and planning, has not been requested.
4:20:36 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES further asked whether the passage of this
bill would change what has been negotiated thus far.
MR. ANDERSON indicated that a change was not anticipated; in
fact, trying to find time away from the classroom for a teacher
was always difficult.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES agreed that it can be difficult and costly
to find coverage for a classroom; the potential ramifications of
this bill are unknown.
4:22:44 PM
CHAIR WILSON warned that finding a private place for a nursing
mother would be very difficult in some schools; in fact,
sometimes the nurse is working in the hallway. She asked
whether providing a substitute teacher would be an undue
hardship for a school.
MR. ANDERSON stressed that the times allowed by the language in
the proposed bill are sufficient. He gave an example of an
appropriate space that was provided for a teacher.
CHAIR WILSON expressed her concern that cooperation would not
always prevent lawsuits.
4:25:09 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON recalled that Alaska has existing statute
that ensures that women can legally breastfeed anywhere they
like, including in a teacher's lounge. He asked whether the
bill was necessary to provide for expressing milk.
4:26:27 PM
MR. ANDERSON explained that using the teacher's lounge was a
modesty, not a legal, issue. The existing law does allow
mothers to breastfeed.
4:27:33 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER opined that there was a distinction
between breastfeeding, which can be discreet, or expressing.
4:27:56 PM
CHAIR WILSON closed public testimony.
4:28:19 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA offered Amendment 1, which read:
Page 1, line 14, through page 2, line 2:
Delete all material.
Page 2, line 3:
Delete "(d)"
Insert "(c)"
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA explained that this amendment removes any
type of sanction against an employer who does not meet the
requirements of the bill.
4:29:30 PM
There being no objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.
4:29:44 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES offered Amendment 2, which read:
Page 1, line 11:
Delete ", secure,"
There being no objection, Amendment 2 was adopted.
4:30:42 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH offered Conceptual Amendment 3, such
that on page 1, line 5, after "unpaid break time", the language
"not to exceed three times" would be inserted.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES objected for discussion.
4:31:45 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH explained that the amendment sets the
parameter so an employer would know that this is unpaid break
time that fits into a regularly scheduled work day.
4:32:23 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES removed his objection.
There being no further objection, Conceptual Amendment 3 was
adopted.
4:32:34 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH offered Amendment 4, such that on page
1, line 5, after "nursing mother of a child" insert "up to six
months of age."
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES objected.
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH explained that this amendment provides
the employer with an expectation of the length of time that a
new mother may nurse or express milk.
4:33:21 PM
CHAIR WILSON suggested that the language provided by Ms. Golden
was appropriate.
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH re-stated that this gives an employer
a specific time limit for the accommodation.
4:34:08 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER opined that this bill would make a
statement of support for a practice that would provide health
benefits; therefore, a time limit does not seem appropriate.
4:34:41 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON pointed out that nothing in the amendment
requires the employer or employee to stop the practice after a
certain period of time; it just limits the mandate on the
employer to provide accommodations. He then asked whether the
amendment specifies six months or one year.
CHAIR WILSON answered six months.
4:35:46 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA suggested "no more than one year or twelve
months."
4:36:11 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH stated that the intent of the
amendment is to limit the employer's exposure. She opined that
a change in labor practice in the state to require
accommodations for nursing mothers would need more specific
guidelines for employers, so employers could determine the
fiscal impact. Representative Fairclough said that she was not
opposed to a limit of twelve months.
4:37:45 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON offered Amendment 1 to Amendment 4, such
that "six" was changed to "twelve."
There being no objection, Amendment 1 to Amendment 4 was
adopted.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES removed his objection to Amendment 4.
Hearing no further objection, Amendment 4, as amended, was
adopted.
4:38:19 PM
CHAIR WILSON asked about the difference between HB 190 and the
existing Alaska statute that says mothers can nurse in public.
4:38:51 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA explained that the current statute does
not specify the work place. She then advised that the Center
for Disease Control (CDC) held a teleconference concerning
overweight children and revealed that breastfeeding is an
important preventative step. In fact, the CDC is implementing
training tools for states to work on ways to minimize the impact
on businesses and enable employers to address this issue and
support improved health across the nation. Representative
Cissna encouraged Representative Fairclough's attempt to
strengthen the bill from the employer's perspective.
4:41:11 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES further explained that the existing
statutes were enacted to prevent a woman from being charged with
indecent exposure while breastfeeding in public. House Bill 190
requires an employer to provide a place and an opportunity for
an employee to breastfeed at her workplace.
4:41:45 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH offered Amendment 5, as follows:
Page 1, line 10 and 11;
Delete "(b) Unless to do so would create a
substantial and undue hardship on the employer,"
Page 1, line 11, following "employer shall."
Capitalize "An"
Page 2
Delete lines 7-9
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES objected.
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH recalled the difficulty defining
"undue hardship" and the possible conflict with the ADA.
Amendments 5 and 6 would eliminate the subjective language of
the bill.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked for a reading of the Amendment.
4:43:21 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH modified Amendment 5 to include on
page 1, line 11, after the word "shall", insert "make a
reasonable attempt to." She concluded that the amendment would
eliminate the possible problem with the ADA and use the word
"reasonable," which is a term already defined in law.
4:44:22 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked whether "reasonable" can include
factors such as the size of the business, its financial
resources, and the nature and structure of its environment, so
that the expectation of different businesses can be appropriate.
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH opined that "reasonable" can be
accommodating to different situations. She cited the language
used in New York is "employers must allow breastfeeding mothers
reasonable unpaid break times to express milk and to make a
reasonable attempt to provide a private location."
4:46:11 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER stressed that "reasonable" also includes
financial aspects and a variety of factors.
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH clarified that "reasonable" includes
modifications that might be required and cause expense to the
employer to provide accommodations to the mother.
4:46:48 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES removed his objection.
Hearing no further objection, Amendment 5 [as modified] was
adopted.
4:47:44 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER moved to report SSHB 190, as amended, out
of committee with individual recommendations and the
accompanying fiscal notes. There being no objection, CSSSHB
190(HES) was moved out the House Health, Education and Social
Services Standing Committee
HB 397-POSTSECONDARY SCHOLARSHIPS
[Contains discussion of HB 403.]
4:48:01 PM
CHAIR WILSON announced that the next order of business would be
HOUSE BILL NO. 397, "An Act creating a postsecondary scholarship
grant program for Alaska residents based on high achievement and
financial need."
[Testimony was heard on HOUSE BILL NO. 403, "An Act
appropriating $100,000,000 to the Alaska achievers' scholarship
fund; and providing for an effective date," although the bill
was not formally before the committee.]
4:48:56 PM
REPRESENTATIVE DAVID GUTTENBERG, Alaska State Legislature,
introduced HB 397, as the prime sponsor. He informed the
committee that the bill establishes an endowment to fund a
combination needs-based and merit-based college scholarship
program. Representative Guttenberg pointed out that Alaska
ranks last in the U. S. in supplying this type of scholarship
and it was a critical aspect of the legislature to assist
residents with the ability to go to college.
4:50:54 PM
WILLIAM ANDREWS, Member, Board of Regents, University of Alaska;
Student, University of Alaska Southeast, stated his support for
HB 397 and HB 403. Through his experience as a member of the
Board of Regents and as a former legislative staffer, Mr.
Andrews realized the importance of the services the legislature
provides to the residents of the state. Furthermore, as a
student, he realized that there is a growing population of
students falling through the cracks due to their inability to
meet the cost of tuition. These bills would help bridge the gap
for students who can not afford to continue at the University of
Alaska (UA). He opined that there was a discrepancy between the
affluence of the state and the lack of scholarship programs.
Existing scholarship programs are not increased with rising
costs, and students who need scholarships to complete their
educations are disenfranchised. Mr. Andrews advocated for the
need to support students who have the potential to develop the
Alaska work force. He concluded that the accountability aspect
of this fund requires successful academic performance, on behalf
of the student, to continue to receive financial aid.
4:55:57 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked how Mr. Andrews is paying for
college.
MR. ANDREWS stated that he is receiving scholarship funding
through various Native corporations. In addition, he receives
about $300 per month through the G. I. bill, and found
additional funding through the Preparing Indigenous Teachers and
Administrators for Alaska's Schools (PITAAS) scholarship.
4:57:56 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES recounted his college experience attending
a private school, and how he paid for his education. The
education was dear to him because he had to pay every cent;
however, some students do not take personal responsibility in
paying for their educations. Representative Roses pointed out
that students today have scholarships and the Permanent Fund
Dividend (PFD) to help pay for college.
5:00:11 PM
MR. ANDREWS noted that his PFD was not available to him until he
was 18 years of age. He agreed that it is a resource now, but
should not be considered as an entitlement available to pay for
college into the future. Furthermore, he opined that the
availability of the PFD has accounted for raises in tuition at
the UA.
5:02:15 PM
DIANE BARRANS, Executive Director, Postsecondary Education
Commission, Department of Education and Early Development,
informed the committee that there was a clear unmet need for
needs-based aid for students. The additional element of merit
is laudable; however, the goal of the Postsecondary Education
Commission is to assist those with the greatest need. She said
that these funds would be administered in conjunction with
existing programs and indicated that there would be a sizable
demand for the scholarships.
5:03:40 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA recalled that Alaska ranks last in the
achievement of bachelor's degrees. She asked Ms. Barrans to
comment.
5:04:52 PM
MS. BARRANS stated that incentives and information need to be
provided to students and their families. Academic preparation
and ability, and the ability to pay tuition, are critical for
students to successfully complete their studies and obtain a
degree. In Alaska, fewer than one in six college students
complete their higher education in a timely manner, one barrier
being the accumulated debt.
5:06:53 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked whether there should be a limit on
the number of years an applicant was eligible for a scholarship.
MS. BARRANS advised that amendments have been prepared to
address this issue.
5:07:56 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked whether Ms. Barrans' office is
responsible for managing the portion of PFD funds that are
dedicated for college.
MS. BARRANS said no. The PFD allotment is managed through the
UA.
5:08:34 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES expressed his interest in how many people
choose to dedicate funds for education. This is another example
of removing an individual's responsibility to provide for his or
her education. He then asked whether there is a limit in the
amount of student loans given per year by the Postsecondary
Education Commission.
5:09:33 PM
MS. BARRANS said that the limit, per student, per year, is
$8,500. The total loan volume last year was $85 million.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES further asked whether there were qualified
students who did not receive funds.
MS. BARRANS recalled that qualified applicants have not been
denied funds since 1987.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES observed that an applicant that qualifies
for this scholarship would also qualify for a student loan.
MS. BARRANS explained that all of the students would need to
combine grant aid with loans from various sources. A small
minority of students would be able to pay for their education,
which costs about $17,000 per year at a public institution,
solely with grants or scholarships.
The committee took an at-ease from 5:10:48 PM to 5:11:46 PM.
5:11:51 PM
CHAIR WILSON explained the procedure for public testimony.
5:13:00 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES opined that the bill allows scholarships to
"qualifying postsecondary institutions in the state" and may
apply to students attending trade and vocational schools, or
working under an apprenticeship.
5:13:42 PM
MS. BARRANS clarified that the eligible institutions must be
regionally or nationally accredited, and located in Alaska.
5:14:16 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked whether union apprenticeships
charge tuition.
MS. BARRANS opined that they do not.
5:14:49 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked for a list of the qualified schools.
5:15:08 PM
ANNAMARIA DICOLA, Student, University of Alaska, stated her
support for HB 397 and HB 403. She pointed out that the non-
traditional students in Homer are focused on career development
and this program would help to meet the state's workforce need.
5:16:39 PM
JOHN ROBERSON III, Student Body President, University of
Anchorage, asked for the committee's help in assisting Alaskans
to achieve their academic goals. He recalled the recent
legislation to give incentives to outside businesses that come
to Alaska; in fact, HB 397 and HB 403 would give incentives for
students to stay in Alaska and improve the state's workforce.
Mr. Roberson stressed the importance of keeping students in the
state so that they will stay and work here.
5:18:57 PM
RYAN BUCHHOLDT, Student, University of Alaska Anchorage, stated
his support for HB 397 and HB 403 and echoed the sentiments of
the previous witness. To pay for school he works a full-time
job and lives with family. Mr. Bucholdt opined that this
incentive would help prevent future students from leaving the
state. In response to questions from Representative Roses, he
said that he carried 12 credits and works full-time.
5:20:43 PM
MISTY M. GIL MARTINEZ, Student, University of Alaska Fairbanks,
stated that she is a wife, the mother of three, a full-time
student, and an employee. She reviewed her highly successful
high school history and stated that she did not attend college
due to financial constraints. Ten years later she began college
to improve her employment opportunities. Ms. Gil Martinez spoke
of her financial difficulties and the effect full-time
employment had on her grade point average. She opined that
financial aid relieves stress and facilitates learning. She
concluded that funding for education will improve Alaska in many
ways.
5:24:34 PM
MEREDITH CAMERON, Student, University of Alaska Fairbanks,
stated her support for HB 397, paraphrasing from a prepared
statement, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]
As a resident of Fairbanks, a student of the
University of Alaska Fairbanks and an Alaskan, I would
like to express my support for the Alaska Achievers
Incentive Program (AAIP) [HB 397 and HB 403]. This
program is our first step towards college
affordability and increased student success.
Higher education should be a top priority to our
state, as we are the future of Alaska. Through this
program those who have the grades and skills will be
able to think about attending University without
needing to think about the money. For graduating high
school grads the cost of a higher education is the
most important topic discussed by the student and the
family. It is a shame that students do not move on to
higher learning because of the cost. The AAIP looks
to provide assistance to these students who have a 3.0
High School GPA and meet financial aid standards.
As a Junior here at the University of Alaska and a
high school graduate of West Valley, I have seen way
too many of my fellow students drop out of college
because they cannot afford it. They did not leave
because their classes were too hard, or they felt they
were not getting a steller education, it was because
they could not afford the rising costs. No sutdent
should be forced to work 40 hours a week to stgruggle
to pay for the 12 credits they now are struggling in
because they are too busy working.
Our students of Alaska high schools deserve more.
They need to know that some [one] out [there] cares
and worries about the rising cost of tuition. We have
a very successful merit based scholarship, the UA
Scholars, now it is time for a needs ased scholarship.
I have never seen a group of students more passion
[ate] about a need. Here at the University of Alaska
Fairbanks, the Associated Students of UAF have finally
stood up and demanded an equal opportunity for the
students of Alaska. There were many sleepless nights,
pouring over thousands of pages of material and
reports, and dialogue with students, staff, and
administrator. In the end they achieved something
that they were told was impossible. A House Bill No.
397 now sits in committee that would start an
endowment to provide scholarships on a merit and needs
based system.
The great state of Alaska and the nation thrive on our
higher education institutions. The University of
Alaska engages the community, provides a skilled labor
force, and builds a stronger state. As your voting
constituent I urge [you] to please support bill number
397 and open up the future of many young Alaskans.
5:26:12 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked whether Ms. Cameron held a job and
was working over spring break.
MS. CAMERON said yes.
5:26:46 PM
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH asked all of the students if they know
the source of the state grant money.
MS. CAMERON indicated that the money comes from oil.
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH explained the struggle of policy
makers who must consider approving benefits to some who may not
support the industry that provides 90 percent of the state's
revenue. Conversations with students have indicated that they,
and perhaps the university system, do not support development of
the Pebble Mine or oil exploration in the Chukchi Sea. However,
she pointed out that resource development is the source of
income that would fund this $100 million grant. Representative
Fairclough observed that there should be support for the revenue
stream from those who receive benefits.
5:29:46 PM
CHAIR WILSON supported Representative Fairclough's point.
5:30:01 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA asked whether the students have ideas on
how to diversify Alaska's source of revenue.
5:30:51 PM
DAVID CHILDERS, Student, University of Alaska Anchorage,
remarked that students in Alaska can look to economic
opportunities, outside of resource development, and explore them
through the university. However; the university does not have
the capability to provide scholarships for needs-based students
or to compete with other states that provide up to $4,000 per
year to support low income students. The diversity of Alaska's
economic base may depend on UA graduates developing the future
resources in technology, the Internet, or in construction.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked whether the $4,000 provided to
students in other states is a grant or a loan.
MR. CHILDERS answered that the Supplemental Educational
Opportunity Grant funds grants in the amount of $2,000 to
$4,000.
5:34:51 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES suggested that the state greatly increase
the amount of the student loan program and add a work incentive
for those who stay in the state.
MR. CHILDERS opined that the increased debt burden would prevent
graduates from investing in their community for many years.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES advised that a loan program would have a
source of future income that may support the program after
declining oil revenues can not.
5:37:09 PM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER noted that funds for the program may be
limited. He asked whether the preference would be to needs-
based, or merit-based, scholars in that case.
5:37:55 PM
MR. CHILDERS pointed out that the UA Scholars Program is
available to support students on a merit only basis. However,
HB 397 incorporates need-based and merit-based qualifications in
a sustainable scholarship endowment system. In fact, a 5
percent to 10 percent investment return on the endowment would
mean $5 million to $10 million available for scholarships.
5:39:16 PM
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER surmised that the $100 million endowment
would take care of the needs-based applicants.
MR. CHILDERS related statistics by the financial aid office at
the University of Alaska Anchorage that indicated that $3
million would be sufficient to allow UA Anchorage to assist its
needs-based applicants. He further opined that $10 million
would be sufficient for the statewide university system.
5:40:35 PM
MARY GOWER, Director, Enrollment Services, University of Alaska
Fairbanks, recalled that Alaska is ranked 51st in the nation for
supplying need-based aid for education. She stressed the need
for additional need-based grant aid and pointed out that the
existing need-based programs are modest programs with limited
resources.
5:41:56 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked Ms. Gower for the average yearly
enrollment of the statewide university system.
MS. GOWEN indicated that enrollment was about 33,000 full-time
and part-time students.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES observed that 5 percent of the endowment,
or about $8 million, would only help 1,600 of the students each
year.
MS. GOWAN pointed out that the university is awarding
approximately $102 million in financial aid each year, a portion
of which is loan aid. In addition, $13.1 million is distributed
as need-based grants and students continue to drop out due to
financial problems.
5:43:47 PM
DELIGHT KENNEDY, Student, University of Alaska Fairbanks, stated
that she is representing students from the past and the present,
and from rural and urban communities. She pointed out that only
twenty-seven percent of enrollees graduate in six years; in
fact, the highest percentage drop out for family and financial
reasons. Ms. Kennedy related her personal experience regarding
family financial responsibilities. She continued to point out
that many current enrollees are working full-time, which
detracts from their academic success, and the existing financial
aid programs are inadequate. For example, at her urban high
school, the top 10 percent of the class had a grade point
average of 4.2. She concluded that an investment in Alaskan
students is an investment in Alaska.
5:47:04 PM
CHRISTOPHER STEFANOVICH, Student, University of Alaska
Anchorage, provided statistics that indicated how an increase in
tuition effects enrollment at the university. He urged the
committee to support the bills.
5:49:02 PM
JAKE HAMBURG, President, Student Body, University of Alaska
Fairbanks, stated that he was representing nine thousand
students. He paraphrasing from a prepared statement, which read
as follows [original punctuation provided]:
I am a University of Alaska Fairbanks student who
began his UA education at Kenai Peninsula College in
Soldotna. I work approximately 56 ours per week both
as UAF's student body president and as a weekend sales
associate while also attending class fulltime. I
cannot afford to work any less due to rent, inevitable
car repairs, fuel, tuition, and books. I do not shy
away from hard work but paying for my college
education is increasingly placing a strain upon my
ability to successfully complete by degree.
As UAF's student body president, this [is] a common
experience I hear from many of the students and groups
that I have met with. I have met far too many
students who have been forced to drop out because they
could not personally fund their education. I know
from speaking with many other students around the
state that they are working long hours to make ends
meet while trying to also finish their homework and
attend classes. Students know how important a college
education is to their future and so they work
incredible hours and burden themselves with debt.
The state of Alaska's employers are craving more
university graduates and addressing the affordability
issues plaguing students and their families will go a
long way toward meeting that need. We know from
existing research that a $1,000 reduction in the cost
of a college education can boost enrollment by nine
percent. We also know that a $160 increase in the
cost of attendance can drop undergraduate enrollment
by .5 percent and community college enrollment by 2.3
percent. A survey performed by the University of
Alaska Southeast found that the number two reason why
students were dropping out was because they couldn't
afford to continue their education. The number one
reason was family problems.
For students approaching their high school graduation,
the cost of a higher education is the most important
topic discussed by the student and the family. It is
unfortunate that students do not move on to higher
learning because of the cost.
It has also been shown that the growing cost of an
education is changing the perception of affordability
among our elementary and middle school students and
their parents. It is at these ages that students
really decide whether college is something attainable
for themselves.
There is some good new. The state has an opportunity
to support a student-led effort to provide
scholarships to those students who demonstrate
academic merit and financial need. In the interest of
thousands of students from all ages and regions around
this state, it is my sincere hope that you will
support HB 397 and HB 403.
5:50:12 PM
CASEY MELIAH, Student, University of Alaska Anchorage, informed
the committee that he is a freshman enrolled at UA Anchorage and
HB 397 and HB 403 would allow him to better pursue his studies
to be a firefighter and paramedic. He explained that he will
need to exceed the recommended 20 hour work week to cover his
college expenses.
5:51:48 PM
CHAIR WILSON asked whether Mr. Meliah plans to stay in Alaska to
work.
MR. MELIAH said yes.
5:52:16 PM
DANIEL SWISHER, Student, University of Alaska Fairbanks,
expressed his concern that the committee was unaware that the
cost of tuition is just one part of the cost of an education.
He noted that fees are rising as fast, or faster, than tuition.
Mr. Swisher opined that the bill proposes a one time funding
that will be sustained as an endowment. Furthermore, the return
on the endowment would fit with the other existing programs to
assist students.
5:54:01 PM
CHAIR WILSON thanked those who have been waiting to testify
since 3:00 p.m.
5:54:35 PM
SETH HOLTSHOUSER, Student, University of Alaska Anchorage, said
that he is a life-long Alaskan. He expressed his belief that
individual responsibility is the same as the state's
responsibility to develop and cultivate future human resources
through its own citizens. The Alaska Achievers' Incentive
Scholarship Program [(AAIP)] endorses the investment and the
economic development of Alaska's workforce in future leaders and
provides Alaskans greater access to the training, education, and
resources of the universities across Alaska. He encouraged the
state's policy makers to join other states in placing economic
access to education as the top priority and responsibility for
its citizens. Mr. Holtshouser concluded that this program is a
crucial point in addressing student's needs, now and in the
future, and to make a positive impact on the state.
5:56:44 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked whether Mr. Holtshouser saved his PFD
for college.
5:56:58 PM
MR. HOLTSHOUSER noted that, after the age of 18, he chose to use
his PFD to offset student loans. In response to a question, Mr.
Holtshouser said that he was a sophomore.
5:59:08 PM
JOSEPH HICKMAN, Director, Student Support Services, University
of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF), explained that he was a low-income
and high achieving student at UAF. Although he qualified for
many scholarship and loan programs, and worked full-time, he
graduated with $50,000 of student loan debt. He opined that
this bill would relieve students of much of that kind of loan
debt. He listed statistics that indicated the level of support
for low income students provided by other states. Mr. Hickman
acknowledged that this program is not going to fix the entire
problem, but it is a small step.
6:01:34 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked whether, in his capacity as the
Director of Student Support Services, Mr. Hickman assisted
students to get loans, grants, and scholarships.
MR. HICKMAN indicated that his position is funded by the U. S.
Department of Education that supports low-income students with
grants, computers, and tutoring.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES further asked whether there is one area
that is a clearing house for available scholarships.
MR. HICKMAN said no. His office searches for possibilities and
provides the information to the student.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES then asked whether all of the scholarships
are distributed each year.
MR. HICKMAN said yes. He added that his program is able to
award only one-half of the applications received. Furthermore,
the successful applicants are required to apply for UAF
scholarships as well. In response to a question, Mr. Hickman
stated that the loans and scholarships are available to all UAF
students.
6:03:14 PM
ANDY ANGAIAK, Director, Upward Bound Program, University of
Alaska Fairbanks, informed the committee that Upward Bound is a
federal program, funded through the U. S. Department of
Education, which was created by the War on Poverty initiatives
of the 1960's. Its purpose is to encourage low-income high
school students to graduate and enter programs of higher
education. Mr. Angaiak said that Upward Bound serves 13 Alaska
high schools and he provided statistics on the Upward Bound
program.
6:05:37 PM
MELANIE K. LEYDON, Student, University of Alaska Anchorage
(UAA), informed the committee that she was a freshman at UAA and
works part-time. She shared her future plans for a career in
Alaska. Ms. Leydon said that she was speaking for herself and
her siblings as they are receiving no financial assistance from
their parents to pay for college. She asked for the committee
to assist the future leaders of Alaska.
6:07:05 PM
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked for the reason Ms. Leydon does not
receive financial support from her parents.
MS. LEYDON explained that it is a financial reason.
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked whether her parents are college
educated.
MS. LEYDON said no.
6:07:50 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked Ms. Leydon whether she had acquired
any student debt.
MS. LEYDON, in response to questions, answered that she works
part-time to pay cash for school, lives at home, and works at a
real estate office full-time in the summer.
6:09:21 PM
KEVIN TURNBOUGH, Representative, Upward Bound, University of
Alaska Fairbanks, addressed the issue of need-based students who
leave the state for their education. He explained that for
every Pell grant student that comes in to the state for higher
education, five to seven Pell grant students leave. He gave
examples of Upward Bound high school students who have
successfully completed high school under difficult
circumstances. These students need and deserve additional
support in order to attend college. Mr. Turnbough stressed that
the state needs to do more for students coming from low-income
backgrounds so that they can better their lives through higher
education.
6:13:53 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked whether granting a scholarship would
guarantee that the student would stay in the state.
MR. TURNBOUGH said that there is no guarantee, but it would
increase the likelihood. His personal experience was that
students feel a commitment to their state; however, they do not
want to graduate with student debt.
6:15:25 PM
DANA L. THOMAS, Professor of Statistics; Assistant Provost for
General Studies, University of Alaska Fairbanks, stated that he
was raised and educated in Alaska and expressed his support for
the bill[s]. To answer the question of whether students should
work, his data indicates that more UAF students work in excess
of 20 hours per week and attend school part-time than in other
states. National research shows that these students attain
degrees at a significantly lower rate, and in a greater length
of time, than full-time students. In his own experience, Mr.
Thomas was able to work part-time and pay for college; however,
the evidence is clear that, at the cost of education today, that
is not possible. He pointed out that, at UAF, when student's
reach a debt of about $10,000 in loans, they tend to drop out.
Lastly, he related that the Postsecondary Education Commission
distributed financial aid to 579 students whose family annual
income was less than $15,000.
6:18:20 PM
LINDSEY FORREST, President, Student Government, University of
Alaska Southeast, stated her support for HB 397 and HB 403,
paraphrasing from a prepared statement, which read as follows
[original punctuation provided]:
I am the President of the UAS Student Government. I
am the Speaker Pro-Tem for the Coalition of Student
Leaders. I am a senior with one moreyear to go before
I graduate at UAS with a BLA in English Literature and
a minor in Law. I wear many caps but the one that I
wear today is that of a student in financial need. I
work seven days a week, either at one of my two jobs,
or both, as the President of the Student Body, which
is a full time job in itself, or on school work, which
is another full time job. However, as a
representative of the students at UAS it is my duty to
inform you that there area a number of my own
constituents who would benefit greatly from the
passing of HB 397y and 403 as they currently exist.
As a representative of the Coalition of Student
Leaders it is my duty to inform youthat a vast
majority of the constituents of my colleagues would
benefit hugely from the passing of HB 397 and 403 as
brought to you by the members of this Legislative body
and the members of the Coalition of Studen Leaders.
As a member of this jury it is yourduty to deliberate
and express you[r] decision on the inception of HB 397
and 403. However, it is also your duty as state
representatives to be concerned with the financial
well-being of your students attending post-secondary
educational institutes in Alaska. It is you[r] duty
as a state representative to be concerned with the
welfare of the future of this great state. Ladies and
gentlemen of this jury the students before you today
and the students whose voices do not bet [to] be heard
are the future of this state, a bright future indeed,
and it is your duty to provide for us the means to be
the growth you wish us to be, we cannot do it all on
our own. Give us another avenue to seek financial aid
from, give us the means to attend college and further
our dreams, you will not [be] disappointed at the
outcome nor the caliber of students that will graduate
and remain in this great state of Alaska that we want
... to call home. Thank you all for your support for
the students of the University of Alaska, your support
for higher education and your support for making
Alaska a better state and better home.
6:21:17 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES spoke of the other needs in the state, such
as programs to support the mentally ill or senior care. He
pointed out the difficult choice between funding a student grant
program or replacing federal funds for the Department of Health
and Social Services. He asked whether a student loan program,
with incentives to benefit students who stay and work in Alaska
after graduation, would be more effective than a grant in
growing Alaska's workforce.
MS. FORREST responded that she was unsure; however, she opined
that supporting the state's future leaders can not be
detrimental to the state.
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES said he is not necessarily against a grant,
but all of the options around this issue should be explored. He
described his personal experience during his college years and
assured those attending college now that the committee has an
understanding of their situation.
6:26:54 PM
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA pointed out that, without a state income
tax, Alaska residents have a disassociation with state
government. In addition, Alaska does not produce a sufficient
number of professionals and must pay a high price to bring
people in, especially in the fields of health and education. She
opined that HB 397 and HB 403 will entice graduates to stay in
the state. Representative Cissna asked Ms. Forrest whether a
large, or a smaller, debt after graduation will keep graduates
in Alaska.
MS. FORREST responded that a student with a smaller debt would
be more willing to stay in Alaska because entry level jobs pay
less here. Her experience is that students can go to school and
live more cheaply in other states, thus graduating with less
debt. Ms. Forrest shared her personal plan to leave Alaska
after graduation.
6:31:59 PM
CHAIR WILSON related a personal history of education and
repaying school loans. She then reminded the witnesses of the
source of the state's wealth.
6:34:38 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON spoke regarding the "brain drain" and how
students who go outside to college choose spouses and jobs
during their time at college and stay outside. If legislators
want people to stay in Alaska, the legislature needs to help
them graduate from college in Alaska. He expressed his
frustration at funding the senior bonus instead of programs that
will keep young people in Alaska and free from the limitations
of large amounts of debt. Representative Seaton stated that it
is good policy to provide a program that requires students to
maintain a high level of academic achievement and he indicated
his support for the bill.
6:39:03 PM
CHAIR WILSON closed public testimony.
6:39:12 PM
[HB 397 was held over.]
6:40:16 PM
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the committee, the House
Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee meeting
was adjourned at 6:40 p.m.
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