Legislature(2003 - 2004)

04/03/2003 03:04 PM HES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                         
                       STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                         April 3, 2003                                                                                          
                           3:04 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Carl Gatto, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Representative John Coghill                                                                                                     
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Kelly Wolf                                                                                                       
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Mary Kapsner                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 154                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to admission to and advancement in public                                                                      
schools of children under school age; and providing for an                                                                      
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
     - MOVED CSHB 154(EDU) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 165                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to community schools; and providing for an                                                                     
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 165(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 167                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to grants for alcoholism and drug abuse                                                                        
programs; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 167(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 154                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:UNDER SCHOOL AGE STUDENTS                                                                                           
SPONSOR(S): RLS BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
03/05/03     0421       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
03/05/03     0421       (H)        EDU, HES, FIN                                                                                
03/05/03     0422       (H)        FN1: (EED)                                                                                   
03/05/03     0422       (H)        GOVERNOR'S TRANSMITTAL LETTER                                                                
03/11/03                (H)        EDU AT 11:00 AM CAPITOL 124                                                                  
03/11/03                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
03/11/03                (H)        MINUTE(EDU)                                                                                  
03/13/03                (H)        EDU AT 11:00 AM CAPITOL 124                                                                  
03/13/03                (H)        Moved CSHB 154(EDU) Out of                                                                   
                                   Committee                                                                                    
03/13/03                (H)        MINUTE(EDU)                                                                                  
03/14/03     0538       (H)        EDU RPT CS(EDU) NT 4DP 2DNP                                                                  
                                   1NR                                                                                          
03/14/03     0538       (H)        DP: WILSON, COGHILL, SEATON,                                                                 
                                   GATTO;                                                                                       
03/14/03     0538       (H)        DNP: GARA, KAPSNER; NR: WOLF                                                                 
03/14/03     0538       (H)        FN1: (EED)                                                                                   
03/18/03                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
03/18/03                (H)        <Bill Hearing Postponed>                                                                     
03/25/03                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
03/25/03                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
03/25/03                (H)        MINUTE(HES)                                                                                  
04/03/03                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 165                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:COMMUNITY SCHOOLS                                                                                                   
SPONSOR(S): RLS BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
03/05/03     0437       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
03/05/03     0437       (H)        EDU, HES, FIN                                                                                
03/05/03     0437       (H)        FN1: (EED)                                                                                   
03/05/03     0437       (H)        GOVERNOR'S TRANSMITTAL LETTER                                                                
03/11/03                (H)        EDU AT 11:00 AM CAPITOL 124                                                                  
03/11/03                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
03/11/03                (H)        MINUTE(EDU)                                                                                  
03/13/03                (H)        EDU AT 11:00 AM CAPITOL 124                                                                  
03/13/03                (H)        Moved Out of Committee                                                                       
03/13/03                (H)        MINUTE(EDU)                                                                                  
03/14/03     0539       (H)        EDU RPT 5DP 2DNP                                                                             
03/14/03     0539       (H)        DP: WOLF, SEATON, WILSON,                                                                    
                                   COGHILL,                                                                                     
03/14/03     0539       (H)        GATTO; DNP: GARA, KAPSNER                                                                    
03/14/03     0539       (H)        FN1: (EED)                                                                                   
03/18/03                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
03/18/03                (H)        <Bill Hearing Postponed>                                                                     
03/25/03                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
03/25/03                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
03/25/03                (H)        MINUTE(HES)                                                                                  
04/03/03                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 167                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE:ALCOHOLISM AND DRUG ABUSE GRANTS                                                                                    
SPONSOR(S): RLS BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Jrn-Date   Jrn-Page                     Action                                                                                  
03/05/03     0439       (H)        READ THE FIRST TIME -                                                                        
                                   REFERRALS                                                                                    
03/05/03     0439       (H)        HES, FIN                                                                                     
03/05/03     0439       (H)        FN1: (HSS); FN2: (HSS)                                                                       
03/05/03     0439       (H)        FN3: (HSS); FN4: (HSS)                                                                       
03/05/03     0439       (H)        GOVERNOR'S TRANSMITTAL LETTER                                                                
03/13/03                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
03/13/03                (H)        Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                      
03/18/03                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
03/18/03                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
03/18/03                (H)        MINUTE(HES)                                                                                  
03/25/03                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
03/25/03                (H)        Heard & Held                                                                                 
                                   MINUTE(HES)                                                                                  
04/03/03                (H)        HES AT 3:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
EDDY JEANS, Manager                                                                                                             
School Finance and Facilities Section                                                                                           
Education Support Services                                                                                                      
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 165 and HB 154;                                                                 
answered questions from members.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 03-32, SIDE A                                                                                                            
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PEGGY WILSON called the  House Health, Education and Social                                                             
Services  Standing  Committee  meeting  to  order  at  3:04  p.m.                                                               
Representatives Wilson,  Gatto, Coghill, and Cissna  were present                                                               
at the call to order.   Representatives Wolf, Seaton, and Kapsner                                                               
arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 154-UNDER SCHOOL AGE STUDENTS                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  154,  "An  Act relating  to  admission  to  and                                                               
advancement in public  schools of children under  school age; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0013                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON said  CSHB  154(EDU)  is a  bill  that addresses  a                                                               
concern  the administration  has  with  several school  districts                                                               
across  the  state  that are  offering  a  two-year  kindergarten                                                               
program  instead of  a one  year  program.   Those districts  are                                                               
getting an  extra year of funding.   She said if  the legislature                                                               
does not  deal with this  problem, next  year it is  likely there                                                               
will   be  many   more  districts   with  two-year   kindergarten                                                               
[programs].                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0143                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER asked Eddy  Jeans, Manager, School Finance                                                               
and  Facilities Section,  Education Support  Services, Department                                                               
of Education  and Early  Development, how much  would be  lost in                                                               
public law  or the federal impact  aid.  She said  she knows that                                                               
if the state  precludes school districts from  doing the two-year                                                               
kindergarten [program], under federal  law the department is able                                                               
to  count those  four-year-olds who  are in  their first  year of                                                               
kindergarten.  If  the school districts do not keep  the aid, the                                                               
funds go directly to the state.   Do you have an estimate of what                                                               
the state will lose in federal funding, she asked.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0216                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
EDDY  JEANS,  Manager,  School Finance  and  Facilities  Section,                                                               
Education  Support Services,  Department of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development, testified  in support  CSHB 154(EDU).   He explained                                                               
that  Representative Kapsner  is  correct;  the school  districts                                                               
will  be able  to  continue to  apply for  those  funds, and  the                                                               
department  does use  the funds  as an  offset in  the foundation                                                               
program.   However, he said  the department  did a policy  memo a                                                               
couple of  years ago to  school districts that were  claiming the                                                               
four-year-olds.   The  memo said  if  districts claim  four-year-                                                               
olds,  then the  department will  count [those  districts] impact                                                               
aid in the foundation program, he explained.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS said if the  district does not claim four-year-olds, it                                                               
can keep  all of the  impact aid.   He said unless  the districts                                                               
give him  the actual numbers,  he does  not know what  the actual                                                               
impact  to  the foundation  program  will  be.   Mr.  Jeans  said                                                               
districts have  been claiming  four-year-olds, so  the department                                                               
has  been  counting  all  the  impact  aid.    He  said  if  this                                                               
legislation passes,  it will be the  district's responsibility to                                                               
notify  "us" about  how much  impact aid  is attributed  to four-                                                               
year-olds,  so   the  department  can   [take]  it  out   of  the                                                               
calculations.  Mr. Jeans said  the voucher covers all students in                                                               
the district that reside on  Native land, and until the districts                                                               
provide him  with that identifying information,  he cannot answer                                                               
that question.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0363                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER asked if districts have that information.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS, in response, said  districts do have that information;                                                               
those  students that  reside on  Native  land are  funded at  125                                                               
percent of the base student  allocation under the impact aid law.                                                               
He  said the  department can  only  consider 100  percent, so  25                                                               
percent comes right off the table  for the state to consider, and                                                               
the  state  deducts  90  percent  of the  remaining  funds.    He                                                               
reiterated  that districts  have to  provide that  information to                                                               
the department.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER asked  Mr. Jeans how much  funding goes to                                                               
rural Alaska and how much goes to urban Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS pointed  to a spreadsheet attached to  the fiscal note.                                                               
He said the Department of  Education and Early Development always                                                               
looks  at  the  question  of REAAs  [Rural  Education  Attendance                                                               
Areas] versus municipalities.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER said the figures  she has shows 92 percent                                                               
is used  in REAAs and 8  percent is used in  municipalities.  She                                                               
asked  Mr. Jeans  if that  is close  to what  the department  had                                                               
calculated.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  asked if  Representative Kapsner  is referring  to the                                                               
funding  for  four-year-olds.    In  response  to  Representative                                                               
Kapsner, he  said he has  not done  that calculation.   Mr. Jeans                                                               
offered to identify the REAAs and do that calculation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0444                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO asked  what  the fiscal  note  would be  if                                                               
every  school  in  the  state  offered  a  two-year  kindergarten                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS, in response, said  the department projects that if all                                                               
schools districts were to enroll  all four-year-olds, the cost to                                                               
the state would be approximately $60 million.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER asked if there  is a move underway for all                                                               
districts to utilize this two-year kindergarten program.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  commented that the  schools in her district  are in                                                               
trouble,  and if  those  schools could  add  more students,  they                                                               
would be very happy to do that.   She said this would be a way to                                                               
get more education funding in her district.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER said she noted  in her research that areas                                                               
that the  state is short  in numbers is  not in the  first years,                                                               
but later on.  While she did  not have the research with her, she                                                               
said she believed  it was fifth grade through  seventh grade, not                                                               
primary grades, kindergarten, or  pre-kindergarten that are short                                                               
in numbers.   She asked if it  was true that most  schools have a                                                               
lot of students in primary grades.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0559                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS  said he has had  calls from all around  the state from                                                               
both  REAAs and  municipal school  districts inquiring  about the                                                               
ability to claim four-year-olds for foundation funding.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEANS said that is the  question that needs to be addressed -                                                               
was  the  foundation  program  intended  to  fund  four-year  old                                                               
students.  He said the  department's position is that the statute                                                               
allows for the exceptional child,  but was not intended to [fund]                                                               
all four-year-olds.   Mr. Jeans reiterated that this  is a policy                                                               
call the legislature needs to make.   If the legislature wants to                                                               
fund all  four-year-olds, that is  not a problem;  the department                                                               
will put  it in the  funding formula and all  four-year-olds will                                                               
be  funded, he  explained.   Mr. Jeans  said it  is not  just the                                                               
foundation  funding  formula,  but  it  also  applies  to  school                                                               
construction.   Once the legislature funds  those children, those                                                               
students become eligible for space  under school construction, he                                                               
said.   It  is  not just  the foundation,  but  a broader  policy                                                               
issue, and the department is  asking for clarification on whether                                                               
the legislature  wants to fund four-year-olds  through the public                                                               
school foundation  program, Mr. Jeans  explained.  He said  it is                                                               
the department's motivation on this bill.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON commented  that one  of the  school systems  in her                                                               
district is  ready to fall below  the 425 [student] mark,  and if                                                               
that school  could bring four-year-olds  in to bring  that figure                                                               
back up, it would do it.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0654                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COGHILL  moved to  report  CSHB  154(EDU) out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0664                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  objected to  the motion.   She reiterated                                                               
her belief that  the state has been playing  the remediation game                                                               
for too long.  She said there  is a wide consensus that the third                                                               
grade  is   an  important  benchmark.     Representative  Kapsner                                                               
suggested  that teachers  and  parents  know if  a  child is  not                                                               
reading by the third grade, there  is slim to none chance of that                                                               
child catching  up, because  up to the  third grade  children are                                                               
learning to read.  She said  in fourth grade students are reading                                                               
to  learn, and  a student  cannot learn  math or  science without                                                               
knowing how to  read.  Furthermore, she said there  is also a lot                                                               
of evidence  that children that  come out  of homes that  are not                                                               
"print rich" and  do not put a cultural value  to reading, do not                                                               
come to school comfortable with  reading.  Representative Kapsner                                                               
said it gets really hard in  first and second grade to make those                                                               
connections.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0764                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  told the committee she  believed that the                                                               
implementation of  the high  school qualifying  exam needs  to be                                                               
countered with  upstream measures  to ensure that  a lot  of kids                                                               
are not falling  through the "cracks."  She said  she knows it is                                                               
the parents' issue,  and as a parent she puts  a high priority in                                                               
reading to  her son every  day.  Representative Kapsner  said she                                                               
does not  believe that schools  that are putting a  high priority                                                               
on getting  kids ready  for the third  grade benchmark  should be                                                               
penalized.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0788                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  agreed with  Representative Kapsner.   She                                                               
shared her experience  that as a parent, she did  not see parents                                                               
trying to get their kids in  school early unless there was a very                                                               
good reason.   She said  she sees  this program as  an enrichment                                                               
that is  vital and she  would not  be comfortable voting  for the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0845                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON responded  that she does not  disagree with comments                                                               
that have been  made.  She said  it is a policy  issue, and there                                                               
needs to be  a grassroots effort across the state  on the part of                                                               
parent-teacher  organizations,  Native  corporations,  and  other                                                               
groups to work on this issue.   She pointed out that the state is                                                               
having trouble funding education at  the same level as last year,                                                               
and  if the  legislature  wants to  add  a two-year  kindergarten                                                               
program, that adds another $60 million in funding.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  said so many  of communities do  not have                                                               
learning  environments   for  preschoolers.     In   Bethel,  for                                                               
instance, she  said she is  lucky if  she can find  a dependable,                                                               
sober  home  to  send her  son  to.    She  said she  has  to  be                                                               
comfortable knowing that  he will sit in front  of the television                                                               
watching Power Rangers all day, and  that there will not be group                                                             
activities    that   will    prepare   him    for   kindergarten.                                                               
Representative  Kapsner pointed  out  that  Florida instituted  a                                                               
four-year  old  kindergarten program  statewide.    She said  she                                                               
knows the state is having trouble  funding it, but she feels that                                                               
is a  direction the  state should  be moving in,  if this  were a                                                               
perfect world.   She said  she would like to  sponsor legislation                                                               
that would do  that.  If these  kids miss out by  third grade, it                                                               
is hard to get them back on track, she remarked.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0967                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:19 p.m. to 3:22 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0993                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL restated his  motion to move CSHB 154(EDU)                                                               
out  of   committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  the                                                               
accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0996                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1000                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken.    Representatives Wilson,  Gatto,                                                               
Coghill,   and   Wolf   voted  in   favor   of   CSHB   154(EDU).                                                               
Representatives Cissna and Kapsner  voted against it.  Therefore,                                                               
CSHB 154(EDU)  was reported  out of  the House  Health, Education                                                               
and Social Services Standing Committee by a vote of 4-2.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 165-COMMUNITY SCHOOLS                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1063                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 165, "An  Act relating to community  schools; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO  moved  to  adopt  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS),  labeled  23-GH1105\H,  Ford,  3/29/03  as  the                                                               
working  document.   There  being  no  objection, Version  H  was                                                               
before the committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1063                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON reminded the committee  that members wanted language                                                               
inserted in  the bill  that would  show the  legislature's intent                                                               
for  school  districts  to continue  offering  community  schools                                                               
programs.     Chair  Wilson  turned   attention  to   Section  1,                                                               
subsection (b), which reads:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     It is the intent of this Act to encourage local school                                                                     
     districts to maintain community schools.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  said this language  makes it  clear that it  is not                                                               
the  intent of  the  legislature to  eliminate community  schools                                                               
programs; just the funding for them.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1110                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  suggested that previous findings  show that                                                               
school  districts supply  schools,  buildings, heat,  custodians,                                                               
paint,  summer  maintenance,  and  so  forth,  and  are  a  major                                                               
contributor  to community  schools.   He  said  this bill  simply                                                               
removes a portion  of the funding, and he  suggested that schools                                                               
are  not   giving  anything  up   and  are   still  substantially                                                               
contributing.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1138                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA said  it  is her  understanding that  this                                                               
bill will place  the community school concept  in uncodified law.                                                               
That being  the case,  she said community  schools have  not been                                                               
repealed, rather it  has been moved it into  some "nether world."                                                               
She said it is  not in the statute books, but it  is out there as                                                               
a vague thing.  Representative  Cissna said she has been involved                                                               
in  community schools  and  she has  done  some projects  through                                                               
them, and she  knows the power of community  schools programs and                                                               
how very  inexpensive they  are through  the volunteer  work that                                                               
people  give.    She  said   she  has  some  real  concerns  with                                                               
eliminating the language that currently exists in statute.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1205                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  told the committee she  opposes the bill,                                                               
but  not because  her district  really suffers  from it  like the                                                               
Yupiit School  District in communities  such as  Akiachak, Akiak,                                                               
Tuluksak  in which  the state's  portion is  22.27 percent.   She                                                               
said  [those  communities]  certainly  are  contributing  a  lot.                                                               
Representative Kapsner said she knows  a lot of other communities                                                               
do not have those kinds  of resources available; some communities                                                               
such as the  Copper River, Cordova, Craig,  Delta Greely, Denali,                                                               
Kodiak, Klawock, and Northwest Arctic  School Districts are being                                                               
paid 100 percent.   She pointed out that a  number of schools are                                                               
in communities that  are not a representation  of that community;                                                               
she said those are immersion schools,  and it is a means by which                                                               
an assimilation process occurs.  She  said it is valuable to have                                                               
the  community come  into the  building  and take  part in  adult                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  said if  the legislature  is going  be an                                                               
advocate  for   life-long  learning   and  support   adult  basic                                                               
education,  then it  is important  to support  community schools.                                                               
In some  cases, she  said the  adults may  have lived  there when                                                               
there was  not a  school or  their parents  could not  afford for                                                               
them to  go to "Mt.  Edgecumbe or Copper River."   Representative                                                               
Kapsner  said now  [adults]  may  want to  get  a certificate  or                                                               
diploma and it  is important to support them.   She stated she is                                                               
opposed to the bill moving from committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1294                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOLF told  the committee  that  he supports  this                                                               
bill.   He  announced that  he is  a supporter  of the  community                                                               
school program  and he understands  the value of  volunteer help.                                                               
Therefore, he offered  any community school program  in the state                                                               
to contact his office and for  help in finding corporate funds to                                                               
continue the programs.  Representative  Wolf said through the use                                                               
of  permanent  fund  money   investments  in  corporate  America,                                                               
Alaskans  have billions  of dollars  in  stocks.   Representative                                                               
Wolf said  there is  not a better  community match  for community                                                               
schools.    At   some  point,  he  said  it   is  important  that                                                               
communities rely  on themselves  to obtain  these funds,  but his                                                               
office will  help any community  schools program in the  state to                                                               
find corporate funds.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1356                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOLF  moved  to   report  CSHB  165(HES)  out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1370                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1399                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken.    Representatives Wilson,  Gatto,                                                               
Coghill, Seaton, and Wolf voted  in favor of moving CSHB 165(HES)                                                               
out  of  committee.   Representatives  Cissna  and Kapsner  voted                                                               
against it.   Therefore,  CSHB 165(HES) was  reported out  of the                                                               
House Health,  Education and  Social Services  Standing Committee                                                               
by a vote of 5-2.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HB 167-ALCOHOLISM AND DRUG ABUSE GRANTS                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1420                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 167,  "An Act relating  to grants  for alcoholism                                                               
and drug  abuse programs; and  providing for an  effective date."                                                               
Chair Wilson  noted that  this is the  fourth hearing  before the                                                               
House Health,  Education and  Social Services  Standing Committee                                                               
for this bill.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1428                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  told the committee she  is very concerned                                                               
about alcoholism  in the  state.  She  said the  Building Bridges                                                               
campaign is in town and had  walked through the [Capitol]; one of                                                               
the  issues  the  campaign  brought   up  is  the  difficulty  of                                                               
individuals with mental  illness who are trying  to get substance                                                               
abuse treatment, because those  individuals are dually diagnosed.                                                               
She said a  lot of treatment facilities do not  have the capacity                                                               
to deal with  these problems and there are long  waiting lists at                                                               
every treatment facility.   She said a substance  abuser does not                                                               
put his  or her  drinking on hold  until getting  treatment; that                                                               
person's  kids and  families suffer,  domestic violence  is high,                                                               
and  accidental deaths  are more  frequent.   In  fact, she  said                                                               
there was a  recent accidental death in Southeast in  which a 23-                                                               
year-old asphyxiated due to alcohol abuse.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER said  she  believes if  the state  spends                                                               
money for  treatment, there will be  savings in the long  term in                                                               
health   care,   correctional   costs,   public   safety   costs,                                                               
educational costs,  and Fetal Alcohol  Syndrome (FAS).   She said                                                               
almost every area  of the state will save money  in the long term                                                               
if there is a commitment to substance abuse treatment.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1512                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  offered Amendment 1, which  read [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1. AS.47.30.475(c) is amended to read:                                                                             
     Line 5:                                                                                                                    
          (c) Grants shall be awarded in a ratio of 85 [90]                                                                     
     percent state money to 15 [10]                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1520                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     REPRESENTATIVE SEATON explained that  Amendment 1 is an                                                                    
     effort   to  phase-in   the   local   match,  so   that                                                                    
     communities do  not have to  "jump" from 10  percent to                                                                    
     25  percent in  one  year,  which is  a  lot for  local                                                                    
     communities.   He  said the  first year  would be  17.5                                                                    
     percent  or  half  of the  amount;  the  increase  that                                                                    
     communities  would  have  to  match  would  be  up  7.5                                                                    
     percent from  the current  10 percent.   Representative                                                                    
     Seaton explained  that the following  year it  would go                                                                    
     up 7.5 percent to the 25 percent match.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1569                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA said  she believes the amendment  is a good                                                               
concept;  however,  she  would  like  the match  to  be  a  lower                                                               
percent.   She said  when she  came to Alaska  35 years  ago, the                                                               
state led the  nation in alcoholism.   Representative Cissna said                                                               
Alaska is paying  the price for that now, and  part of that price                                                               
is the  care and treatment  of [fetal alcohol effects  (FAE)] and                                                               
FAS individuals.   Over the last two decades, she  said the state                                                               
has made some changes to  increase the number of programs dealing                                                               
with  alcohol abuse.   She  suggested  that Alaska  would pay  an                                                               
enormous  price  in terms  of  domestic  abuse, child  abuse  and                                                               
neglect, and  other violent  behavior if the  state did  not turn                                                               
this around.   Representative Cissna said she  believes there are                                                               
other    alternatives   that    this   administration    is   not                                                               
[considering].                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1681                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL withdrew his objection.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1682                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  objected to  Amendment 1.   She  told the                                                               
committee she does  not like the bill and the  amendment does not                                                               
make it much better.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1686                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Wilson,  Seaton,                                                               
Cissna, Gatto,  Wolf, and Coghill  voted in favor of  Amendment 1                                                               
to HB 167.  Representative  Kapsner voted against it.  Therefore,                                                               
Amendment  1  passed  the  House  Health,  Education  and  Social                                                               
Services Standing Committee by a vote of 6-1.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1696                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON moved to report  HB 167, as amended, out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER objected to the motion.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Wilson,  Cissna,                                                               
Gatto,  Wolf, Coghill,  and Seaton  voted in  favor of  CSHB 167.                                                               
Representatives   Kapsner   voted   against   it.      Therefore,                                                               
CSHB 167(HES)  was reported  out of  the House  Health, Education                                                               
and Social Services Standing Committee by a vote of 6-1.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Health, Education and Social Services Standing Committee meeting                                                                
was adjourned at 3:40 p.m.                                                                                                      

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