Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/26/1993 03:00 PM HES

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           HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES                         
                       STANDING COMMITTEE                                      
                         March 26, 1993                                        
                            3:00 p.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Rep. Cynthia Toohey, Co-Chair                                                
  Rep. Con Bunde, Co-Chair                                                     
  Rep. Gary Davis, Vice Chair                                                  
  Rep. Al Vezey                                                                
  Rep. Pete Kott                                                               
  Rep. Harley Olberg                                                           
  Rep. Bettye Davis                                                            
  Rep. Irene Nicholia                                                          
  Rep. Tom Brice                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  None                                                                         
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  HB 105:   "An Act providing for incarceration for                            
            nonviolent, youthful first offenders in boot camps                 
            operated by the Department of Corrections;                         
            creating the Boot Camp Advisory Board in the                       
            Department of Corrections; amending Alaska Rule of                 
            Criminal Procedure 35; and providing for an                        
            effective date."                                                   
                                                                               
            PASSED WITH INDIVIDUAL RECOMMENDATIONS                             
                                                                               
  SB 53:    "An Act annulling changes made by certain                          
            regulations adopted by the Department of Health                    
            and Social Services relating to funding of                         
            abortion services under the general relief medical                 
            program; and providing for an effective date."                     
                                                                               
            HEARD AND HELD TO TIME UNCERTAIN                                   
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  REP. ED WILLIS                                                               
  The Alaska State Legislature                                                 
  Room 614 Courthouse                                                          
  Juneau, Alaska 99811                                                         
  Phone:  (907) 465-2199                                                       
  Position statement:  Prime sponsor of HB 105                                 
                                                                               
  DICK STOFFEL                                                                 
  1252 Pioneer Dr.                                                             
  Wasilla, Alaska 99654                                                        
  Phone:  (907) 376-1691                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  JOHN DAVIES                                                                  
  P.O. Box 870478                                                              
  Wasilla, Alaska 99687                                                        
  Phone:  (907) 373-2450                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  KATIE HURLY                                                                  
  P.O. Box 870157                                                              
  Wasilla, Alaska 99687                                                        
  Phone:  (907) 376-5736                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  GREG MIDDAG                                                                  
  643 Sunset Drive                                                             
  Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 225-2290 home                                                  
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  JUDY JENKINSON                                                               
  House District Vice-Chair                                                    
  Democratic Party                                                             
  2326 First Ave.                                                              
  Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 225-5839                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  RITA COX, Vice President                                                     
  American Association of University Women                                     
  825 B St.                                                                    
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
  Phone:  (907) 463-3160                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  BILL BURK                                                                    
  P.O. Box 240742                                                              
  Douglas, Alaska 99824                                                        
  Phone:  (907) 780-6019                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  DEBORAH MORRIS                                                               
  P.O. Box 304                                                                 
  Kenai, Alaska 99611                                                          
  Phone:  (907) 283-8459                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  KENNA DUBOIS                                                                 
  P.O. Box 702                                                                 
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
  895-4851                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed SB 53                                           
                                                                               
  JOYCE MOLDENHAUER                                                            
  P.O. Box 595                                                                 
  Sterling, Alaska 99672                                                       
  Phone:  (907) 262-9319                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  ANN PENCE, Program Coordinator                                               
  Women's Resource and Crisis Center                                           
  325 S. Spruce                                                                
  Kenai, Alaska 99611                                                          
  Phone:  (907) 283-9479                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  NANCY WALLIN                                                                 
  P.O. Box 1492                                                                
  Soldotna, Alaska 99669                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  MELLIE TERWILLIGER                                                           
  P.O. Box 206                                                                 
  Tok, Alaska 99708                                                            
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  RALPH E. LOHSE                                                               
  P.O. Box 14                                                                  
  Cordova, Alaska 99574                                                        
  Phone:  (907) 424-7170                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  ROY MOONEYHAM                                                                
  P.O. Box 1275                                                                
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
  Phone:  (907) 895-1978                                                       
  Position Statement:                                                          
                                                                               
  BARBARA RAWALT                                                               
  P.O. Box 823                                                                 
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
  Phone:  (907) 895-1946                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  MICHAEL RAWALT                                                               
  P.O. Box 823                                                                 
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
  Phone:  (907) 895-1946                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  DAVID ARNEGARD                                                               
  P.O. Box 138                                                                 
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
  Phone:  (907) 895-1930                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  DEBRA JOSLIN                                                                 
  P.O. Box 337                                                                 
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
  Phone:  (907) 895-4565                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  JULIE BRENNAN                                                                
  P.O. Box 1165                                                                
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
  Phone:  (907) 895-5153                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  CONNIE EMMERT                                                                
  P.O. Box 7191                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 225-8811                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  HEATHER MUENCH                                                               
  P.O. Box 6811                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 225-5372                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  TERESA CREVIER                                                               
  1123 Black Bear Road                                                         
  Ketchikan, Alaska 99901                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 225-6588                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  GLENDA TABOR                                                                 
  P.O. Box 325                                                                 
  Kotzebue, Alaska 99752                                                       
  Phone:  (907) 442-3168                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  BONNIE JACK                                                                  
  1063 W 20th Ave.                                                             
  Anchorage, Alaska 99503                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 279-4836                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  ANNALEE MCCONNELL                                                            
  Public Affairs Coordinator                                                   
  Planned Parenthood of Alaska                                                 
  224 W. 23rd Ave.                                                             
  Anchorage, Alaska 99503                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 277-4822                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  MYRNA MAYNARD                                                                
  2237 Forest Park Drive                                                       
  Anchorage, Alaska 99517                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 272-3357                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  SHERYL JACOBSON                                                              
  614 Fischer                                                                  
  Anchorage, Alaska 99518                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 563-7409                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  RANDALL BURNS                                                                
  Alaska Civil Liberties Union                                                 
  P.O. Box 201844                                                              
  Anchorage, Alaska 99520                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 258-0044                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  SHERRIE GOLL, Lobbyist                                                       
  Alaska Women's Lobby; KIDPAC                                                 
  P.O. Box 22156                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska 99802                                                         
  Phone:  (907) 463-6744                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  JOHN KNUTSON                                                                 
  2010 Lisga St.                                                               
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99701                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 452-7747                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  EVELYN FRISK                                                                 
  Interior Alaska Women's Political Caucus                                     
  P.O. Box 10465                                                               
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99701                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 457-2552                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  RUTH EWIG, Secretary                                                         
  National Association of Christian Educators/                                 
  Citizens for Excellence in Education, Fairbanks chapter                      
  2325 30th Ave.                                                               
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99701                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 452-5538                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEG GAYDOSIK, Board Member                                                   
  American Association of University Women                                     
  1024 Fifth Ave.                                                              
  Fairbanks, Alaska                                                            
  Phone:  (907) 456-8389                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  KRIS GROSE                                                                   
  Interior Alaska Right to Life                                                
  1111 Eliz St.                                                                
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99709                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 455-6886                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  NANCY KUHN                                                                   
  National Organization of Women, Fairbanks                                    
  2086 Amy-Dyan Road                                                           
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99712                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 488-0329                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  VIRGINIA PHILLIPS                                                            
  404 Lake St. 2-D                                                             
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
  Phone:  (907) 747-8024                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  ALICE YOUNG                                                                  
  Sitka Respect for Human Life                                                 
  P.O. Box 6161                                                                
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
  Phone:  (907) 747-5155                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  TOM MCBRIDE, Executive Director                                              
  Another Way, Inc.                                                            
  P.O. Box 779                                                                 
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
  Phone:  (907) 895-4009                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  MARK MOLDENHAUER                                                             
  P.O. Box 595                                                                 
  Sterling, Alaska 99672                                                       
  Phone:  (907) 262-9319                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  JENNY EAST-COLE                                                              
  P.O. Box 1347                                                                
  Delta Junction, Alaska 99737                                                 
  Phone:  (907) 895-4079                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  ROSEANNE CURRAN                                                              
  P.O. Box 42                                                                  
  Cordova, Alaska 99574                                                        
  Phone:  (907) 424-7642                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  CHARLES HORAN, Member                                                        
  Sitka Pro-Life Coalition                                                     
  403 Lincoln St.                                                              
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
  Phone:  (907) 747-6666                                                       
  Position statement:  Testified in opposition to SB 53                        
                                                                               
  CAROLE EVANS, Chair                                                          
  Interior Alaska Women's Caucus                                               
  1212 Farmers Loop                                                            
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99709                                                      
  Phone:  (907) 456-7794 work                                                  
  Position statement:  Testified in support of SB 53                           
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 105                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: BOOT CAMP FOR NONVIOLENT FIRST OFFENDERS                        
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) WILLIS,Bunde                                   
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act providing for incarceration for nonviolent,                   
  youthful first offenders in boot camps operated by the                       
  Department of Corrections; creating the Boot Camp Advisory                   
  Board in the Department of Corrections; amending Alaska Rule                 
  of Criminal Procedure 35; and providing for an effective                     
  date."                                                                       
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  01/29/93       180    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/29/93       180    (H)   HES, JUDICIARY, FINANCE                          
  03/24/93              (H)   HES AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 106                      
  03/24/93              (H)   MINUTE(HES)                                      
  03/26/93              (H)   HES AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 106                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  SB  53                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: ANNULLING ABORTION FUNDING REGULATIONS                          
  BILL VERSION: CSSB 53(FIN) AM(EFD FLD)                                       
  SPONSOR(S): HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES                              
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to payment for abortions under                       
  Medicaid and general relief medical assistance; annulling                    
  changes made by certain regulations adopted by the                           
  Department of Health and Social Services relating to funding                 
  of abortion services under the general relief medical                        
  program."                                                                    
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  01/22/93       122    (S)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/22/93       122    (S)   HES, JUD, FINANCE                                
  01/27/93              (S)   HES AT 01:30 PM BUTROVICH                        
                              ROOM 205                                         
  01/27/93              (S)   MINUTE(HES)                                      
  01/29/93       187    (S)   HES RPT  4DP 1NR 1DNP                            
  01/29/93       187    (S)   FISCAL NOTES PUBLISHED                           
                              (DHSS-5)                                         
  02/10/93              (S)   JUD AT 01:30 PM BELTZ ROOM 211                   
  02/10/93              (S)   MINUTE(JUD)                                      
  02/24/93              (S)   JUD AT 01:30 PM BELTZ ROOM 211                   
  02/24/93              (S)   MINUTE(JUD)                                      
  02/25/93       481    (S)   JUD RPT  1DP  2DP W/AM 2DNP                      
  02/25/93       481    (S)   PREVIOUS FNS (DHSS-5)                            
  02/25/93       487    (S)   FIN WAIVED PUBLIC HEARING                        
                              NOTICE,RULE 23                                   
  02/26/93       499    (S)   FIN RPT  CS  4DP 2DNP                            
                              NEW TITLE                                        
  02/26/93       499    (S)   PREVIOUS FNS APPLY TO CS                         
                              (DHSS-5)                                         
  02/26/93              (S)   FIN AT 09:00 AM SENATE FINANCE                   
                              518                                              
  02/26/93              (S)   MINUTE(FIN)                                      
  02/26/93              (S)   RLS AT 01:15 PM FAHRENKAMP                       
                              ROOM 203                                         
  02/26/93              (S)   MINUTE(RLS)                                      
  03/02/93       575    (S)   MOTION TO CALENDAR 3/3/93                        
                              FLD Y8 N11 E1                                    
  03/03/93       589    (S)   RULES RPT 2/CALENDAR 1/OTHER                     
                              REC 3/3/93                                       
  03/03/93       590    (S)   READ THE SECOND TIME                             
  03/03/93       591    (S)   FIN  CS ADOPTED Y13 N5 E1 A1                     
  03/03/93       592    (S)   AM NO  1  ADOPTED Y11 N8 E1                      
  03/03/93       592    (S)   ADVANCE TO 3RD RDG FAILED                        
                              Y13 N6 E1                                        
  03/03/93       592    (S)   THIRD READING 3/5 CALENDAR                       
  03/05/93       634    (S)   READ THE THIRD TIME  CSSB
                              53(FIN) AM                                       
  03/05/93       635    (S)   PASSED Y12 N6 E2                                 
  03/05/93       635    (S)   EFFECTIVE DATE FAILED Y12                        
                              N6 E2                                            
  03/05/93       635    (S)   Duncan  NOTICE OF                                
                              RECONSIDERATION                                  
  03/08/93       658    (S)   RECON TAKEN UP - IN THIRD                        
                              READING                                          
  03/08/93       659    (S)   PLACED AT BOTTOM OF CALENDAR                     
                              UNAN CONS                                        
  03/08/93       672    (S)   PASSED ON RECONSIDERATION Y13                    
                              N6 E1                                            
  03/08/93       672    (S)   EFFECTIVE DATE FAILED Y13 N6 E1                  
  03/08/93       677    (S)   TRANSMITTED TO (H)                               
  03/10/93       582    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/10/93       582    (H)   L&C, HES, JUDICIARY, FINANCE                     
  03/23/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
  03/25/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
  03/25/93              (H)   MINUTE(L&C)                                      
  03/26/93              (H)   HES AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 106                      
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-48, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR BUNDE called the meeting to order at 3:10 p.m., noted                  
  members present and announced the calendar.                                  
  HB 105:  BOOT CAMP FOR NON-VIOLENT FIRST OFFENDERS                           
                                                                               
  Number 022                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR BUNDE noted that the committee was hearing HB 105 for                  
  the second time, and that after discussion about an                          
  amendment at the previous hearing, the sponsor had returned                  
  with an amended bill.  He announced his intention to resolve                 
  problems wIth the bill and move it out of committee.                         
                                                                               
  REP. VEZEY asked for a description of the amendment.                         
                                                                               
  CHAIR BUNDE asked him to wait until the bill's sponsor had                   
  spoken.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 032                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. ED WILLIS, PRIME SPONSOR of HB 105, addressed the                       
  amendment.  He referred to a blank committee substitute                      
  prepared as a work draft for the House Health, Education and                 
  Social Services (HESS) Committee, and pointed out the                        
  differences between it and the original.  The title was                      
  amended to allow individuals to contract with the Department                 
  of Corrections to contract with persons, which he said would                 
  allow contracts for boot camps with both non-profits, as has                 
  been Rep. Nicholia's concern, and with for-profit                            
  corporations, as had been Rep. Vezey's concern.                              
                                                                               
  REP. TOOHEY asked whether the change mandated or allowed the                 
  Department of Corrections to contract out operation of boot                  
  camps.                                                                       
                                                                               
  REP. WILLIS said the change allowed such contracts.                          
                                                                               
  CHAIR BUNDE said the change did not require boot camps to be                 
  operated by non-state entities.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 070                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. VEZEY commented favorably on the craftsmanship                          
  evidenced by the first amendment.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 076                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. WILLIS referred to a second change, on page 1, lines 9-                 
  13, and page 2, lines 1-4, adding language to allow first                    
  time misdemeanant in the program, as Corrections                             
  Commissioner Lloyd Rupp had asked.  The imprisonment term                    
  was set at at least 150 days for both first-time                             
  misdemeanants and first-time felons who had not previously                   
  been in a boot camp program, he said.  Changes on page 2,                    
  line 22, section 4, added language to ensure that personal                   
  accountability and the work ethic would be part of the boot                  
  camp training program.  Changes on page 3, lines 7-11,                       
  provide for contracting, he said.  Changes on page 3, lines                  
  12-25, address the limitations of the Department of                          
  Corrections' statistical information system, he said.                        
  Changes on page 3, lines 26-31, and page 4, lines 1-11, are                  
  aimed at making elements of the bill pertaining with                         
  eligibility agree with one another.  He said that the                        
  Department of Corrections has reviewed and approved the                      
  changes to HB 105 reflected in the amended version of the                    
  bill.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 134                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. B. DAVIS moved that the committee accept the committee                  
  substitute (CS) of HB 105, as amended.                                       
                                                                               
  CHAIR BUNDE, hearing no objections, declared that the                        
  committee had adopted CSHB 105, as amended.  He asked                        
  whether including misdemeanant to the program would change                   
  the fiscal note for the bill.  He said he was receiving "a                   
  strong signal" from a representative of the Department of                    
  Corrections that the fiscal note would not be affected by                    
  the change.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 152                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. NICHOLIA moved for passage of CSHB 105 with individual                  
  recommendations.                                                             
                                                                               
  CHAIR BUNDE called for a roll call vote on the motion.                       
  Those voting yes were:  Reps. Vezey, B. Davis, Nicholia,                     
  Toohey, Bunde and G. Davis.  Those voting no:  none.  He                     
  indicated that the bill had PASSED WITH INDIVIDUAL                           
  RECOMMENDATIONS.  He called for a brief at-ease.                             
  SB  53 ANNULLING ABORTION FUNDING REGULATIONS                                
                                                                               
  Number 173                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. TOOHEY called the meeting back to order and assumed the                 
  chair.  She brought SB 53 to the table, announced that the                   
  remainder of the meeting would be teleconferenced, possibly                  
  later than usual.  She said it was possible SB 53 might not                  
  be passed out that day, to allow time for further testimony.                 
  She noted that the committee took public testimony on SB 53                  
  the previous day but not by teleconference, and that she                     
  intended the committee to hear testimony by teleconference                   
  during the meeting.  She noted that the Senate HESS                          
  Committee had taken many hours of testimony on SB 53, and                    
  that she wanted individuals to limit their testimony on the                  
  bill to two minutes to allow time for others to speak as                     
  well.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 205                                                                   
                                                                               
  (Technical problems prevented efforts to receive testimony                   
  from Ketchikan.)                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 226                                                                   
                                                                               
  DICK STOFFEL, A CONTRACTOR, testified via teleconference                     
  from Mat-Su in opposition to SB 53.  He said he believed                     
  life began at conception and that abortion was murder of                     
  innocent babies.  He said he did not want his tax money                      
  supporting abortion.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 247                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN DAVIES, AN ATTORNEY, testified via teleconference from                  
  Mat-Su in opposition to SB 53.  He said he opposed any use                   
  of government funds for abortion.  He supported the position                 
  paper issued by Kimberly B. Bush, director of the Division                   
  of Legal Assistance.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 263                                                                   
                                                                               
  KATIE HURLY testified via teleconference from Mat-Su in                      
  support of SB 53.  She said abortion is legal in Alaska, and                 
  that without passage of SB 53, Alaska wold be discriminating                 
  against poor women.  She said it was not an abortion issue,                  
  but rather an issue of providing health care to people in                    
  need.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 278                                                                   
                                                                               
  GREG MIDDAG testified in Juneau in support of SB 53.  He                     
  said women need the right to make their own medical                          
  decisions.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 283                                                                   
                                                                               
  JUDY JENKINSON, HOUSE DISTRICT VICE-CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC                  
  PARTY, testified in Juneau in support of SB 53.  She                         
  seconded the comments of Ms. Hurly, her friend and mentor.                   
  She said SB 53 supported the rights of poor women in Alaska.                 
                                                                               
  Number 294                                                                   
                                                                               
  RITA COX, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF                      
  UNIVERSITY WOMEN, ALASKA, testified in Juneau in support of                  
  SB 53.  She said the association, representing 200 members                   
  in Alaska, supported the bill and appreciated work done on                   
  the bill that morning and the previous day.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 300                                                                   
                                                                               
  BILL BURK testified in Juneau in support of SB 53.  He said                  
  the rich have always been able to get abortions, but poor                    
  women suffer the damaging complications of illegal                           
  abortions.  Having been a social worker, he said he had seen                 
  the physical and mental abuse women undergo.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 317                                                                   
                                                                               
  DEBORAH MORRIS testified via teleconference from Kenai in                    
  opposition to SB 53.  She said she did not want her tax                      
  money used to murder babies, and she opposed provisions that                 
  would allow state funding for abortions in cases in which it                 
  was decided that not ending a pregnancy would result in                      
  psychological harm to the mother.  She claimed SB 53 would                   
  force hospitals to perform abortions against their wills.                    
  She said only abortionists would benefit from the bill.                      
                                                                               
  Number 341                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOYCE MOLDENHAUER testified via teleconference from Kenai in                 
  opposition to SB 53.  She said there are better ways than                    
  abortion to resolve crisis pregnancies.  She said voting for                 
  SB 53 was a vote for murder.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 363                                                                   
                                                                               
  ANN PENCE testified via teleconference from Kenai in support                 
  of SB 53.  She said eliminating state funding of abortion                    
  was the start of erosion of women's rights in general.  She                  
  said the majority of Alaskans support pro-choice                             
  legislation.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 371                                                                   
                                                                               
  NANCY WALLIN testified via teleconference from Kenai in                      
  support of SB 53.  She said the issue was not whether                        
  abortion was right or wrong, and that it was legal.  She                     
  said the issue was whether the state would allow those on                    
  Medicaid to have reproductive choice.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 386                                                                   
                                                                               
  MELLIE TERWILLIGER testified via teleconference from Tok in                  
  support of SB 53.  She said she was not immoral and she                      
  cares about women and families.  She said she believed                       
  abortion was an issue of women's choice.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 398                                                                   
                                                                               
  RALPH E. LOHSE testified via teleconference from Cordova in                  
  opposition to SB 53.  He said a vote for SB 53 was a vote                    
  for an abortion procedure known as D&X, which he described                   
  in graphic detail, in which a fetus' head was drained and                    
  crushed prior to evacuation.  He asked God to have mercy on                  
  the state.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 425                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY noted that the committee was taking testimony                   
  on whether the state should fund abortions for poor women,                   
  and not whether abortion was right or wrong.  She asked                      
  those testifying to limit their comments to the issue at                     
  hand.  She also announced that, if the technical problems                    
  barred testimony from Ketchikan during that meeting, there                   
  would be a separate opportunity for those in Ketchikan to                    
  testify by teleconference on SB 53 at a later meeting.                       
                                                                               
  ROY MOONEYHAM, A SOUTHERN BAPTIST PASTOR, testified via                      
  teleconference from Delta Junction in opposition to SB 53.                   
  He said he opposed abortion and funding for abortion any                     
  way, and he believed that adoption was a better solution                     
  than abortion.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 439                                                                   
                                                                               
  BARBARA RAWALT, A MOTHER AND HOMEMAKER, testified via                        
  teleconference from Delta Junction in opposition to SB 53.                   
  She said abortion was murder, allowable only to save a                       
  mother's life.  She encouraged saving limited resources for                  
  essential areas such as police and fire protection, not                      
  abortion.  She said most Alaskans opposed abortion funding.                  
                                                                               
  Number 451                                                                   
                                                                               
  MICHAEL RAWALT testified via teleconference from Delta                       
  Junction in opposition to SB 53.  He read a letter he had                    
  sent to the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner newspaper, which                      
  chastised state legislators for passing SB 53 through a                      
  Senate HESS Committee, despite teleconference and mailed                     
  testimony opposing it.  He encouraged voters to use the POM                  
  system and to vote out those legislators who did not                         
  represent them.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 479                                                                   
                                                                               
  DAVID ARNEGARD, A SOIL CONSERVATIONIST, testified via                        
  teleconference from Delta Junction in opposition to SB 53.                   
  He said the nation was not prospering spiritually or                         
  emotionally as it should because of a lack of fear of the                    
  Lord, especially among elected leaders.  He said it would be                 
  unwise to pass the bill in defiance of the Lord's word.  He                  
  cited scripture which he said indicated a fetus was a life.                  
                                                                               
  Number 504                                                                   
                                                                               
  DEBRA JOSLIN testified via teleconference from Delta                         
  Junction in opposition to SB 53.  She said state funding of                  
  abortion equalled state promotion of abortion, and that the                  
  money could be better spent on adoption of unwanted babies.                  
                                                                               
  Number 517                                                                   
                                                                               
  JULIE BRENNAN testified via teleconference from Delta                        
  Junction in opposition to SB 53.  She said there would be                    
  fewer abortions if money was not made readily available for                  
  it.  She said taking life incurred a penalty, and that only                  
  God could take life.  She described in graphic detail how                    
  abortions are performed; said that children are miraculous                   
  gifts from God; and that abortionists, like other murders,                   
  should be punished.                                                          
                                                                               
  (Rep. Kott arrived at 3:50 p.m.)                                             
                                                                               
  CONNIE EMMERT testified via teleconference from Ketchikan in                 
  opposition to SB 53.  She said abortion has encouraged abuse                 
  of women and abortion serves the interests of unhappy                        
  boyfriends or husbands, of embarrassed parents, but not of                   
  women.  She said abortionists are interested in making a                     
  profit from women, and cited a magazine article calling                      
  abortion the nation's largest uncontrolled industry.  She                    
  compared abortion to Nazi Germany's policy of killing those                  
  with hereditary diseases to save medical costs.                              
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY reminded those testifying to limit their                        
  testimony to two minutes to allow others the chance to                       
  testify.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 579                                                                   
                                                                               
  HEATHER MUENCH testified via teleconference from Ketchikan                   
  in support of SB 53.  She said the bill gives all women the                  
  same reproductive freedom.  She said poor women are as                       
  responsible for their own sexuality as wealthy women, but                    
  every woman sometime during her life experiences a failure                   
  in birth control or an unwanted and unplanned pregnancy.                     
  She said abortion is a legitimate medical procedure, and the                 
  state is obligated to offer medical care to poor women on                    
  Medicare.                                                                    
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-48, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  TERESA CREVIER testified via teleconference from Ketchikan                   
  in opposition to SB 53.  She described in graphic detail the                 
  abortion procedure known as D&X.  She described a self-help                  
  book for women that teaches how to induce abortion, and how                  
  to feign hysteria in order to qualify for abortions under                    
  Medicaid.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 064                                                                   
                                                                               
  GLENDA TABOR testified via teleconference from Kotzebue in                   
  opposition to SB 53.  She objected to claims of poverty as                   
  justification for state funding of abortion.  She said the                   
  state should deal with poor people before paying for                         
  abortion.  She encouraged state support of adoption, instead                 
  of abortion.  She said the Alaska Native culture valued                      
  children.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 105                                                                   
                                                                               
  BONNIE JACK testified via teleconference from Anchorage in                   
  support of SB 53.  She said she was the new CHAIR of the                     
  ALASKA COALITION FOR CHOICE, Anchorage, and listed other                     
  affiliations with pro-choice, Republican organizations,                      
  including the Alaska Women's Political Caucus, the National                  
  Republicans for Choice, and the National Coalition of                        
  Republicans for Choice.  She said Alaska has funded                          
  abortions for the poor since 1953, and that 59.12 percent of                 
  Alaskans favored them in a 1982 election.  She said various                  
  polls showed that from 55 percent to 87 percent of Alaskans                  
  support abortion choice, depending on the circumstances.                     
  She said not funding abortions for poor women would punish                   
  them and expose them to the dangers of illegal abortions.                    
                                                                               
  Number 142                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT asked Ms. Jack whether legislators should rely on                  
  1982 surveys (election results), knowing that the population                 
  of the state changes every three or four years.                              
                                                                               
  MS. JACK responded that the 1982 figures were from an actual                 
  vote, and she had cited polls showing support for such                       
  funding from 1992, the same year Rep. Kott had been elected.                 
  She cited other polls supporting state funding for abortion.                 
                                                                               
  Number 165                                                                   
                                                                               
  ANNALEE MCCONNELL, PUBLIC AFFAIRS COORDINATOR FOR PLANNED                    
  PARENTHOOD OF ALASKA, testified via teleconference from                      
  Anchorage in support of SB 53.  She said it was                              
  unconscionable for the Governor to wait until after the                      
  legislature adjourned in 1992 before introducing his                         
  regulations aimed at discouraging poor women from seeking                    
  legal abortions.  She noted lawsuits by Planned Parenthood                   
  and other organizations to block implementation of the                       
  regulations, and said a state affidavit in the case implied                  
  they would bring no changes to state abortion funding                        
  practices.  She said that a position paper by the Department                 
  of Health and Social Services and a fiscal note both assumed                 
  a 40 percent drop in annual abortion rates.  She said SB 53                  
  would clear up the confusion.  She said it was unfair for                    
  the state to fund obstetrical care for birth, but not for                    
  abortion.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 195                                                                   
                                                                               
  MYRNA MAYNARD testified via teleconference from Anchorage in                 
  support of SB 53.  She asked for a speedy "do pass" vote on                  
  SB 53 as amended.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 205                                                                   
                                                                               
  SHERYL JACOBSON testified via teleconference from Anchorage                  
  in support of SB 53.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 210                                                                   
                                                                               
  RANDALL BURNS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ALASKA CIVIL                        
  LIBERTIES UNION (ACLU), testified via teleconference from                    
  Anchorage in support of SB 53.  He said the ACLU opposes the                 
  regulations as unconstitutional, and supported passage of SB
  53.                                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 229                                                                   
                                                                               
  SHERRIE GOLL, LOBBYIST FOR THE ALASKA WOMEN'S LOBBY,                         
  testified in Juneau in support of SB 53 as amended by the                    
  Senate, for many of the reasons previously mentioned.                        
                                                                               
  Number 238                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN KNUTSON testified via teleconference from Fairbanks in                  
  opposition to SB 53.  He cited Proverbs 9:10, and Proverbs                   
  6:16, saying that wisdom lay in the fear of the lord, and                    
  that the Lord hates shedding innocent blood.  He said SB 53                  
  wanted all Alaskans to murder babies, and that abortion was                  
  murder whether a person was poor or rich.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 253                                                                   
                                                                               
  EVELYN FRISK, OF THE INTERIOR ALASKA WOMEN'S POLITICAL                       
  CAUCUS, testified via teleconference from Fairbanks in                       
  support of SB 53.  She said that all women should have                       
  access to all reproductive health services, regardless of                    
  their residence or income.  State funding of abortions is an                 
  important part of such access for poor women.  Most Alaskans                 
  support the availability and funding of abortions, she said.                 
                                                                               
  Number 266                                                                   
                                                                               
  RUTH EWIG, SECRETARY OF THE FAIRBANKS CHAPTER OF THE                         
  NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHRISTIAN EDUCATORS/CITIZENS FOR                     
  EXCELLENCE IN EDUCATION, testified via teleconference from                   
  Fairbanks in opposition to SB 53.  She said she had attended                 
  three of five teleconferences on SB 53 and opposed it.  She                  
  read passages from an anti-abortion book which criticized                    
  legislators as "spineless bureaucrats," and she encouraged                   
  legislators to oppose abortion.  She said hard-poor pro-life                 
  voters outnumber hard-core pro-choice voters, and said it                    
  would be politically advantageous to support pro-life                        
  positions.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 209                                                                   
                                                                               
  MEG GAYDOSIK, PUBLIC POLICY CHAIR FOR THE AMERICAN                           
  ASSOCIATION OF UNIVERSITY WOMEN-ALASKA (AAUW), testified via                 
  teleconference from Fairbanks in support of SB 53.  She said                 
  AAUW believed a woman's most fundamental right was to make                   
  informed reproductive decisions, unhindered by her economic                  
  status.  She said the U.S. Supreme Court still holds that                    
  the decision to abort is a private issue between a woman and                 
  her physician.  She said it was unacceptable for Alaska to                   
  create a class of women without that right to privacy                        
  because they did not have enough money.  She said abortion                   
  must be treated like any other medical treatment for the                     
  poor, lest poor women attempt dangerous and inadequate self-                 
  induced abortions.                                                           
                                                                               
  Number 319                                                                   
                                                                               
  KRIS GROSE, OF THE INTERIOR ALASKA RIGHT TO LIFE, testified                  
  via teleconference from Fairbanks in opposition to SB 53.                    
  She said that the committee members represented both born                    
  and unborn Alaskans.  She said abortion was wrong.  She said                 
  the progress of SB 53 might cost some legislators re-                        
  election.  She read two quotes from a judge and a legal                      
  decision opposing state funding of abortion.  She said                       
  abortion was not a women's issue, but a social engineering                   
  effort.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 345                                                                   
                                                                               
  NANCY KUHN, OF THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF WOMEN-FAIRBANKS,                 
  testified via teleconference from Fairbanks in support of                    
  SB 53.  She said SB 53 was crucial to protecting individual                  
  women's rights in Alaska.  She said decisions on pregnancy                   
  belong to the women involved, not to the government, and                     
  that limiting government payment discriminated against poor                  
  women.  Unwanted pregnancies can lead to lives of poverty                    
  for women and children.  She referred to the idea that all                   
  babies not aborted could be adopted, and said no child                       
  should be considered a commodity on the abortion futures                     
  market, and that many children already spend unhappy lives                   
  in institutions awaiting adoption.  She said one man's                       
  personal beliefs should not be forced on all residents.                      
                                                                               
  Number 366                                                                   
                                                                               
  VIRGINIA PHILLIPS testified via teleconference from Sitka in                 
  opposition to SB 53.  She said the issue was state funding,                  
  and observed that the state did limit other kinds of medical                 
  treatment it afforded welfare recipients.  If SB 53 passed,                  
  she said, Alaska would become the abortion capital of the                    
  nation, with women flocking to the state for free abortions                  
  and benefits, placing the state at risk from lawsuits for                    
  injuries during state-funded abortions.  She said the state                  
  was trapped in moral and financial quicksand.                                
                                                                               
  Number 392                                                                   
                                                                               
  ALICE YOUNG, OF SITKA RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE, testified via                  
  teleconference from in opposition to SB 53.  She said she                    
  had worked for two years in a pregnancy aid office.  She                     
  said state funded abortion encouraged teen promiscuity by                    
  removing pregnancy as an undesirable consequence of sex.                     
  She encouraged young people to abstain from sex and to                       
  protect themselves from AIDS, pregnancy, guilt, trauma, low                  
  self-esteem, abortion trauma, emotional disorders, and                       
  exploitation.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 418                                                                   
                                                                               
  TOM MCBRIDE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ANOTHER WAY, INC., A NON-                 
  PROFIT DEALING WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, testified via                         
  teleconference from Delta Junction in opposition to SB 53.                   
                                                                               
  Number 423                                                                   
                                                                               
  KENNA DUBOIS testified via teleconference from Delta                         
  Junction in opposition to SB 53.  She said she opposed                       
  abortion because it was the taking of a life, and she did                    
  not want state funds to be used for the procedure.  She said                 
  no one had the right to take another's life.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 430                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARK MOLDENHAUER testified via teleconference from Kenai in                  
  opposition to SB 53.  He read a written statement, on file                   
  in the committee room, saying just as the state would not                    
  pay for cosmetic surgery for poor women, so it should not                    
  pay for elective abortions.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 452                                                                   
                                                                               
  JENNY EAST-COLE testified via teleconference from Delta                      
  Junction in opposition to SB 53.  She said her heart said no                 
  abortion is right, whether for a rich or poor woman.  She                    
  said every life was precious.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 461                                                                   
                                                                               
  ROSEANNE CURRAN, A HOUSEWIFE AND MOTHER, testified via                       
  teleconference from Cordova in opposition to SB 53.  She                     
  said she had no doubt that life began at conception, and                     
  that abortion ends that life.  She said rich and poor women                  
  alike carry such guilt, they regret abortion, and that some                  
  turn to drugs, alcohol or suicide from guilt.  She said                      
  abortion has nearly ended the possibility of adoption.  She                  
  said something is wrong with society if it cannot afford to                  
  let babies live.                                                             
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY announced that, as people in Ketchikan had been                 
  unable to testify via teleconference, the committee would                    
  hear public testimony from that city early the following                     
  week.  In the meantime, she said she wanted to close SB 53                   
  to public testimony unless there were more people desiring                   
  to testify at that meeting.                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 479                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHARLES HORAN testified via teleconference from Sitka in                     
  opposition to SB 53.  He said current regulations allowed                    
  most abortions, and said it might be possible for pro-choice                 
  and pro-life forces to find ground for compromise on the                     
  bill.  He said he did not believe most pro-choice                            
  legislators were pro-abortion.  He said SB 53 would promote                  
  abortions by providing funding for abortions in many                         
  circumstances.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 510                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAROLE EVANS, CHAIR OF THE INTERIOR ALASKA WOMEN'S CAUCUS,                   
  testified in Juneau in support of SB 53.  She said it was                    
  inappropriate for the Governor to push his personal values                   
  upon the entire state.  She called the regulation change a                   
  discriminatory act against poor, disenfranchised women that                  
  would not save state money.  She said she doubted the state                  
  would single out other groups to deny them benefits, and                     
  expressed satisfaction that SB 53 would make it possible to                  
  do the right thing regarding women's rights.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 521                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT asked Ms. Evans her opinion of what government's                   
  role should be in abortion.                                                  
                                                                               
  MS. EVANS answered that the government should not be                         
  involved in women's right to choose.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 526                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT agreed, and said it was an anomaly that people                     
  oppose government involvement in abortion regulation, but                    
  see nothing wrong with government funding of abortions.                      
                                                                               
  MS. EVANS responded that Medicaid was for those who needed                   
  it and that the regulations singled out one group of people                  
  by denying them benefits.  She said it was definitely a                      
  women's discrimination issue.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 534                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. BRICE commented,  "While it might sound two-faced, on                   
  the other hand, I think it's a complete abrogation of the                    
  whole democratic ideals that we live under to have a single                  
  old white man rewrite the regulations without any input by                   
  the public on the debate, and I believe that it's being                      
  dealt with properly here in the public, in true public                       
  debate, through the legislature..."  He said the regulations                 
  pushed the bounds of legality, as pertains to the                            
  Administrative Procedures Act.                                               
                                                                               
  Number 550                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. OLBERG said, "I object to Representative Brice's                        
  blatant attempt to get into Capitol Quotes."                                 
                                                                               
  Number 559                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY announced that the committee would hear SB 53                   
  again so that those in Ketchikan might testify so that the                   
  committee might deal with the bill.  She closed public                       
  testimony on SB 53 and invited comment from the committee.                   
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT referred to testimony about how the regulations                    
  discriminated against a single group of people, that being                   
  poor women.  He reminded the members of the HESS Committee                   
  that it had singled out welfare recipients and older                         
  residents when it reduced benefits to those groups.  He also                 
  announced he had a series of amendments he wanted to offer                   
  to SB 53.                                                                    
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-49, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT presented his first amendment, saying it would                     
  have the effect of restoring SB 53 to its original form,                     
  before it was amended in the Senate.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 015                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. BRICE asked Rep. Kott for an explanation.                               
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE noted that it would be appropriate for the chair                  
  to hear a motion to pass the amendment to allow for                          
  discussion.                                                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY called for objection to the amendment.                          
                                                                               
  REP. BRICE objected.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 028                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT said that the committee needed an original copy of                 
  SB 53 in order to discuss his amendment.  He said he would                   
  offer the amendment the next time the committee considered                   
  SB 53, at which time the committee would be able to compare                  
  the original SB 53 with the amended version before the HESS                  
  Committee.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 034                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. VEZEY said he believed the committee did not need the                   
  original SB 53 to consider Rep. Kott's amendment.                            
                                                                               
  Number 050                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY said she would be comfortable with taking up                    
  the amendment at that time, as Rep. Vezey had suggested.                     
  She asked if the committee was willing to consider SSSB 53,                  
  identified as 8LS0343-K.  She then called for a brief at-                    
  ease, calling the meeting back to order a minute or two                      
  later.  She then directed Rep. Kott to explain his                           
  amendment.                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT said it was not easy to do so without the original                 
  SB 53.  But, he said, his amendment deleted some of the more                 
  liberal aspects of the bill as amended, and having the                       
  effect of returning the bill to its original form.                           
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY noted that the committee members had just been                  
  furnished with copies of the original version of SB 53.                      
                                                                               
  REP. OLBERG asked Rep. Kott whether his amendment to CSSB 53                 
  would restore the bill to its original version.                              
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT answered yes, that was the intent of the                           
  amendment.                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY asked if there was a motion on the floor to                     
  accept the amendment, and then noted two objections.                         
                                                                               
  REP. G. DAVIS asked for time to read the amendments in more                  
  detail, unless Rep. Kott wanted to explain in more detail.                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY expressed agreement with Rep. G. Davis.                         
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT said that, in light of the questions on his                        
  amendment, he would offer the committee the opportunity for                  
  full consideration of his amendment.                                         
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY asked Rep. Kott if he would present any other                   
  amendments he intended to propose, so that committee members                 
  would have time to consider them.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 104                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT said that he had other amendments which were                       
  contingent on the passage or his first amendment.                            
                                                                               
  REP. BUNDE noted that there were more amendments not on the                  
  first page Rep. Kott had presented.                                          
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY encouraged Rep. Kott to distribute copies of                    
  all his intended amendments.                                                 
                                                                               
  (Copies of Rep. Kott's amendments were distributed to the                    
  committee and numbered 1-5.)                                                 
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT began discussing the amendments, saying that if                    
  the state were funding abortions, then it deserved some                      
  right in controlling what went on in abortion clinics.  One                  
  amendment would ensure that the state would not be subject                   
  to lawsuits for funding abortions.  The second amendment                     
  dealt with allocation of permanent fund money for abortion,                  
  he said.  If it failed, it would be followed by the third                    
  amendment, which would allow Alaska residents to direct                      
  portions of their permanent fund dividends (PFD) toward                      
  paying for abortion services.  He said it would provide an                   
  opportunity for those people who might believe that state                    
  revenues fell from the sky to put their own money where                      
  their mouths are.  He indicated his disinclination to be                     
  directed as a politician by a 10-year-old vote on abortion                   
  funding.  He said he had performed polls which showed that,                  
  while Alaskans supported state funding of abortion, they                     
  opposed paying for such procedures themselves through a PFD                  
  check-off.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 195                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. B. DAVIS asked why the committee was discussing whether                 
  abortions were right or wrong, or whether Medicaid should                    
  pay for such procedures in Alaska, when the state already                    
  paid for abortions for female state employees through their                  
  medical benefits.  She asked whether it was appropriate for                  
  the state to pay for state employees' abortions, but not for                 
  poor women on state welfare.                                                 
                                                                               
  REP. KOTT stated, "Again, I don't have two faces here.  I'm                  
  going to wear the same face.  And if you're going to, I                      
  think, approach it from a perspective on one end of the                      
  spectrum, you have to look at it from the other end of the                   
  spectrum as well.  I don't support using state monies for                    
  state employees, but there's not much that we can do at this                 
  point regarding that aspect because it's already built in                    
  the contract.  We can do something at the other end of the                   
  spectrum and deal with the latter at a different time."                      
                                                                               
  Number 217                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIR TOOHEY asked for other comments, and, hearing none,                    
  ADJOURNED the meeting at 4:51 p.m., announcing that the                      
  committee would take up SB 53 again, with amendments, at the                 
  earliest convenience.                                                        

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