Legislature(2017 - 2018)GRUENBERG 120

02/28/2017 10:00 AM FISHERIES

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*+ HJR 12 OPPOSING GEN. ENGINEERED SALMON TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 12(FSH) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
*+ HB 107 FISH ENHANCEMENT PERMITS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                       February 28, 2017                                                                                        
                           10:02 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Louise Stutes, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Zach Fansler                                                                                                     
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
Representative David Eastman                                                                                                    
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 12                                                                                                   
Opposing  the  United  States   Food  and  Drug  Administration's                                                               
approval  of   AquaBounty  AquAdvantage   genetically  engineered                                                               
salmon;  and   urging  the  United   States  Congress   to  enact                                                               
legislation  that   requires  prominently   labeling  genetically                                                               
engineered products with the words  "Genetically Modified" on the                                                               
product's packaging.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHJR 12(FSH) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 107                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to certain fish; and establishing a fisheries                                                                  
enhancement permit."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HJR 12                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: OPPOSING GEN ENGINEERED SALMON                                                                                     
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) TARR                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
02/22/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/22/17       (H)       FSH, RES                                                                                               
02/28/17       (H)       FSH AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 107                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: FISH ENHANCEMENT PERMITS                                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) TALERICO                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
02/06/17       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/06/17       (H)       FSH, RES                                                                                               
02/28/17       (H)       FSH AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVE TALERICO                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced HB 107, as prime sponsor.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ELIJAH VERHAGEN, Staff                                                                                                          
Representative Dave Talerico                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 107, on behalf of                                                                           
Representative Talerico, prime sponsor.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE CAIN                                                                                                                      
Glennallen, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 107.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ERIC GEBHART, Superintendent                                                                                                    
Nenana City School District                                                                                                     
Nenana, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 107.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WILL MAYO                                                                                                                       
Tanana Chief's Conference (TCC)                                                                                                 
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 107.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
NANCY HILLSTRAND                                                                                                                
Katchemak Bay, Alaska                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 107.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PETE VELSKO                                                                                                                     
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 107.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MIKE MANN                                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 107.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SAMUEL RABUNG, Section Chief                                                                                                    
Private Non-Profit Hatchery and  Aquatic Farming and Planning and                                                               
Permitting                                                                                                                      
Division of Commercial Fisheries (DCF)                                                                                          
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB                                                             
107.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:02:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LOUISE  STUTES  called  the  House  Special  Committee  on                                                             
Fisheries  meeting  to  order  at  10:02  a.m.    Representatives                                                               
Stutes, Chenault, Fansler,  Tarr, and Neuman were  present at the                                                               
call  to  order.    Representatives  Kreiss-Tomkins  and  Eastman                                                               
arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
             HJR 12-OPPOSING GEN ENGINEERED SALMON                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:03:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE JOINT  RESOLUTION NO. 12,  Opposing the United  States Food                                                               
and  Drug Administration's  approval  of AquaBounty  AquAdvantage                                                               
genetically  engineered  salmon;  and urging  the  United  States                                                               
Congress to enact legislation  that requires prominently labeling                                                               
genetically  engineered  products  with  the  words  "Genetically                                                               
Modified" on the product's packaging.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:03:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR, as prime sponsor  of HJR 12, began by saying                                                               
the  proposed resolution  would  support efforts  by Alaska  U.S.                                                               
Senator  Lisa  Murkowski at  the  federal  level.   She  began  a                                                               
PowerPoint presentation  and referred  to Slide 2,  entitled "Why                                                               
the need  for HJR  12?"   She stated that  in November  2015, the                                                               
U.S.  Food  and  Drug Administration  (FDA)  allowed  genetically                                                               
modified (GM)  salmon, which is  the first  time a GM  animal has                                                               
been approved for  human consumption.  She expressed  that she is                                                               
strongly opposed to  this.  The approval process used  by the FDA                                                               
was the "veterinary drug" approval  process.  She maintained that                                                               
since the  product is for  human consumption, it  is questionable                                                               
whether the  veterinary drug approval process  is the appropriate                                                               
process for  considering this use  of technology.   She mentioned                                                               
that traditionally  a different regulatory route  would have been                                                               
utilized.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:03:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR turned  to  Slide 3,  entitled  "What is  GM                                                               
salmon?"   She explained that the  GM salmon approved by  the FDA                                                               
is produced  by adding the  deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA)  from two                                                               
different species  of fish  to Atlantic  salmon.   She identified                                                               
the two fish as follows:  the  ocean pout, shown on the left side                                                               
of the slide,  is an eel-like fish that  offers continuous growth                                                               
due to its  natural life cycle; and the Chinook  salmon, shown on                                                               
the right, is  selected for its size.  Consequently,  the GM fish                                                               
grows bigger and faster.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR turned  to Slide  4, entitled  "How does  it                                                               
work?" to illustrate the different growth  rates.  The goal is to                                                               
produce a salmon that grows to full size twice as fast.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  moved  on  to Slide  5,  entitled  "Why  GM                                                               
Salmon?"  She cited statements on  the website of the company who                                                               
proposed GM salmon, AquaBounty, to  point out that the actions of                                                               
the  company were  "never really  about sustainability;  this has                                                               
always just been  about profit."  She relayed  the information on                                                               
the website,  which read [original  punctuation provided]:   "The                                                               
innovative  faster  growing   AquAdvantage  Salmon,  which  would                                                               
shorten  production cycles  by half  and drastically  reduce feed                                                               
costs, could  finally make  land-based fish  farming economically                                                               
viable."    She commented  that  "we  have  to question  ...  the                                                               
difference between  what's healthy  for an ecosystem  versus what                                                               
is an economic opportunity."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:06:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR referred  to Slides  6 and  7 to  illustrate                                                               
Alaskan salmon.   She  moved on  to Slide  8, which  portrays the                                                               
production  environment  of  GM  salmon:    it  is  grown  in  an                                                               
industrial warehouse  setting with  land-based pens.   She stated                                                               
that  the  proposal  from AquAdvantage  includes  making  the  GM                                                               
salmon  fish  eggs  on  Prince Edward  Island  (PEI)  in  Canada;                                                               
growing them  to size in  Panama; and  shipping the fish  back to                                                               
the  U.S.  for  market.     She  asserted  that  three  different                                                               
countries are involved because of  opposition [to GM salmon] from                                                               
other countries and the United States.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  referred  to Slide  9,  entitled  "Concerns                                                               
about  GM salmon,"  and listed  the  concerns:   threats to  wild                                                               
salmon, risks  to human  health, and risk  to the  state economy.                                                               
She turned  to Slide  10, entitled "Threat  to Wild  Salmon," and                                                               
relayed that escapement  is always an issue.   She mentioned that                                                               
the Alaska  Department of  Fish &  Game (ADF&G)  solicits reports                                                               
from  fisherman who  have  caught farmed  salmon,  and she  added                                                               
there have been many such reports.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  referred to  the  map  on  Slide 11.    She                                                               
relayed that  she was  invited by  residents of  PEI to  the site                                                               
where the AquaBounty  eggs would be produced;  the residents were                                                               
concerned about the  negative effects of being known  as the home                                                               
of the  "Frankenfish."  She said  the AquaBounty site was  on the                                                               
bay leading  to the St.  Lawrence Seaway  and on to  the Atlantic                                                               
Ocean.  She  maintained that there are  concerns about escapement                                                               
at that location, because of its proximity to a water body.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR turned  to Slide  12 showing  photographs of                                                               
her  visit:   the AquaBounty  facility, which  appears to  be low                                                               
technology ("low-tech"); meeting  with the Premier of  PEI to ask                                                               
his  opinion  of  the  proposal; and  local  residents  who  have                                                               
expressed opposition to the proposal.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:09:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  moved on  to Slide  13, entitled  "Threat to                                                               
Wild  Salmon," and  relayed the  threats:   GM salmon  can spread                                                               
disease; GM  salmon are more  aggressive and can  outcompete wild                                                               
salmon;  and GM  salmon  can cross  breed with  wild  fish.   She                                                               
continued with  Slide 14, which displayed  screenshots of several                                                               
articles on the results of scientific  studies on GM salmon.  She                                                               
referred to  the headline,  "GM salmon can  breed with  trout and                                                               
harm ecosystem,"  and explained  that scientists learned  that GM                                                               
salmon can breed  with trout, and the new fish  which results can                                                               
outcompete both the  GM salmon and the wild relative.   She added                                                               
that  the new,  more aggressive  fish could  be very  damaging to                                                               
natural ecosystems.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  continued with Slide 15,  entitled "Risks to                                                               
Human  Health."   She mentioned  that no  long-term studies  have                                                               
been conducted on  the safety of human consumption  of GM salmon.                                                               
Since the FDA  used the veterinary drug approval  process, it was                                                               
not  necessary   for  it   to  consider   the  safety   of  human                                                               
consumption.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  referred to  Slide  16,  entitled "Risk  to                                                               
State's  Economy," and  reminded  the committee  of the  dramatic                                                               
drop in the price of Alaskan  wild salmon when farmed salmon came                                                               
onto  the   market.    The   state  responded  by   creating  the                                                               
Alaska   Seafood  Marketing   Institute   (ASMI)  and   investing                                                               
tremendously in branding  Alaska's wild salmon.   She stated that                                                               
the state's  marketing efforts have been  very successful; Alaska                                                               
wild salmon  is a  widely recognized  brand; and  people consider                                                               
Alaska  wild salmon  to  be a  healthy source  of  protein.   She                                                               
declared, "That creates a lot of  value."  She added that another                                                               
economic  risk is  the risk  to Alaskan  jobs, since  the seafood                                                               
industry is the largest private  sector employer with over 70,000                                                               
jobs.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:11:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  stated  that  Alaskans  are  not  alone  in                                                               
opposing GM  salmon and named  the various sources  of opposition                                                               
listed on Slide 17:   Alaska's congressional delegation oppose GM                                                               
salmon;  Senator  Murkowski  has  been   a  leader  and  will  be                                                               
introducing additional  legislation on this matter;  more than 40                                                               
members  of the  U.S. Congress  oppose GM  salmon; more  than 1.5                                                               
million comments opposing  GM salmon were received by  the FDA in                                                               
the comment  period; more  than 90  percent of  Americans support                                                               
labeling of  GM foods reflecting  greater public interest  in the                                                               
source and healthfulness of food;  and 65 retailers, many of them                                                               
major, will not sell GM salmon.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   TARR  referred   to  Slide   18,  "International                                                               
Opposition," to  report that there  have been  lawsuits regarding                                                               
GM  salmon;  there is  concern  for  the  damage to  wild  salmon                                                               
populations on  the East Coast of  the U.S.; and there  have been                                                               
dam removal  projects on the  West Coast  of the U.S.  to restore                                                               
traditional fish  passage areas.   She concluded that  people are                                                               
working hard to support and sustain wild salmon populations.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:14:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 10:14 a.m.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:14:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  referred to  Slide 19, entitled  "US Lawsuit                                                               
filed March  31."  She  mentioned the various groups  and efforts                                                               
opposing  GM foods  and imposing  regulations, especially  on the                                                               
West  Coast:    legislators; Pacific  NorthWest  Economic  Region                                                               
(PNWER); ballot  initiatives in  Canada, Washington,  and Oregon;                                                               
and  local ordinances  opposing GM  foods.   She  relayed that  a                                                               
lawsuit  was  filed in  the  United  States  in March  2016;  the                                                               
lawsuit  went  to  court  on  Election  Day  last  year;  and  no                                                               
judgement has been  issued yet.  The lawsuit  claims the approval                                                               
process was not  adequate in considering GM salmon  a food source                                                               
for humans,  and there are unanswered  questions about ecological                                                               
impacts.   She  asserted that  since  salmon is  so important  to                                                               
Alaska - to  its culture, its tradition, its  communities, and to                                                               
the health of Alaskans - "we  should stand together as we have in                                                               
the past  and say  'No' and  stand together  in opposition  of GM                                                               
salmon."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:16:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHENAULT  asked if HJR  12 addresses only  GM fish                                                               
and no other products.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR replied, "Yes, that is correct."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT  relayed  that the  proposed  resolution                                                               
states that  more than two  million Americans are opposed  to the                                                               
FDA approval  [of GM salmon].   He mentioned  that Representative                                                               
Tarr  testified  that  about 1.5  million  people  had  submitted                                                               
testimony during the FDA comment period.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  explained that  one of the  numbers reflects                                                               
the  individual  comments  received,  and a  single  comment  may                                                               
represent many signatures on a petition.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CHENAULT   asked   for   confirmation   of   his                                                               
understanding of the GM salmon  production process:  the eggs are                                                               
incubated on PEI, then moved to Panama for rearing.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  answered, "That is the  proposal that's been                                                               
approved.   It requires  the three  countries' involvement:   the                                                               
eggs in one  location; the growing the fish in  Panama; and then,                                                               
for sale in the United States."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:18:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT asked  for more  clarification regarding                                                               
the danger a [fish] egg poses.   He mentioned that the discussion                                                               
has addressed concern  for the eggs growing into  bigger fish and                                                               
destroying what is  left of the [wild] Atlantic salmon.   He said                                                               
eggs are  not usually released into  the wild and grown,  thus he                                                               
questioned  the concern  about  the facility  being  on PEI,  the                                                               
movement of eggs to Panama, and  the shipment of the fish back to                                                               
the U.S.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR replied that the  concern is that the process                                                               
includes  early stage  development,  and there  is opposition  to                                                               
interbreeding  with wild  [salmon] populations.   She  maintained                                                               
that there  is concern that Panama  environmental standards would                                                               
not  be the  same  as those  in  the  U.S.   She  asked, "Is  the                                                               
likelihood of escapement low?"   She attested that it probably is                                                               
low because of the [prevention] measures  put in place.  She said                                                               
she  didn't want  to suggest  negligence on  the part  of Panama;                                                               
however,  she maintained  that the  threat is  real.   She stated                                                               
that the McGill [University] study  that she referred to on Slide                                                               
14  [Oke   KB,  Westley  PAH,   Moreau  DTR,  Fleming   IA.  2013                                                               
Hybridization  between genetically  modified Atlantic  salmon and                                                               
wild  brown trout  reveal  novel  ecological interactions.  Proc.                                                               
Royal  Society B]  was published  just after  the closing  of the                                                               
comment period for  the proposal.  She relayed that  she wrote to                                                               
the  FDA asking  that it  consider this  recent research  report.                                                               
She  asserted  that  the  dynamic  of  the  conversation  on  the                                                               
proposal   changed  once   there   was   research  showing   that                                                               
interbreeding occurred, and that interbreeding was problematic.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:20:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked  if  the  sponsor  would  consider                                                               
adding "salmon"  after the word  "engineered" on line 3,  page 1,                                                               
of the  resolution.   He stated that  the resulting  phrase would                                                               
read,  "urging the  United States  Congress to  enact legislation                                                               
that requires prominently  labeling genetically engineered salmon                                                               
products".   He  maintained that  "GM products"  is difficult  to                                                               
define; if the  resolution was limited to salmon,  it may receive                                                               
more support.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  responded that is a  great suggestion, which                                                               
had been considered.  She  explained that the proposed resolution                                                               
reflects the  broader labeling  legislation efforts  by Congress;                                                               
however,  since  the  intent  of Alaska's  resolution  is  to  be                                                               
specific to  salmon, she  said she  did not  have a  problem with                                                               
limiting the resolution to salmon.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN asked  for  more  information about  what                                                               
happens  if a  fertilized salmon  egg escapes  the PEI  facility:                                                               
Would the  salmon egg grow  naturally and  result in a  salmon or                                                               
would that be less likely due to the genetic engineering?                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  responded  that  the way  the  proposal  is                                                               
written, it is specific to certain  life stages, and that is what                                                               
has been  approved by the FDA.   She added that  the PEI facility                                                               
has more than  just the eggs that  will be used for  the GM fish,                                                               
which is  the concern of  the local  residents.  She  stated that                                                               
AquaBounty  has  proposals  for   several  other  species.    She                                                               
maintained that there is a lack  of confidence in their work, and                                                               
the  people  she  contacted  want  to  take  every  precautionary                                                               
measure.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:23:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  opined that  based on the  public concern                                                               
for  the proposal,  placing the  facility near  a water  body was                                                               
particularly  unreceptive to  that concern.   He  maintained that                                                               
there are more appropriate locations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   TARR  said   that   she   totally  agrees   with                                                               
Representative Eastman.   She stated  that AquaBounty was  at one                                                               
time based in Massachusetts and  wanted to locate the facility in                                                               
that state.  She relayed  that the local community refused, which                                                               
lead to the  company changing locations.  She  opined that having                                                               
three countries  involved in  the production  of a  product makes                                                               
regulation more challenging and  the public less comfortable with                                                               
the process.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:25:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN moved  to adopt  Conceptual Amendment  1,                                                               
which would  be to  limit the proposed  resolution to  GM salmon.                                                               
He  opined  that due  to  the  many definitions  of  "genetically                                                               
engineered," it would be subject to additional criticism.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:25:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR declared  that  she is  not  opposed to  the                                                               
offered conceptual  amendment.   She suggested that  the proposed                                                               
resolution  specify  "genetically  engineered  salmon  or  salmon                                                               
products".                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  said  he concurred  with  Representative                                                               
Tarr's suggestion.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:25:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES removed  her objection  to Conceptual  Amendment 1,                                                               
[as  amended].   There  being  no  further objection,  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 1, as amended, was adopted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:26:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT clarified  that  the committee's  action                                                               
was   the  adoption   of   Representative  Eastman's   conceptual                                                               
amendment,  as  amended  by  Representative  Tarr's  addition  of                                                               
"salmon or salmon products".                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:26:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES  opened   public  testimony  on  HJR   12.    After                                                               
ascertaining that  there was  no one who  wished to  testify, she                                                               
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:26:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  expressed his appreciation  of the                                                               
action and advocacy on the issue addressed by HJR 12.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:27:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FANSLER  moved to report  HJR 12, as  amended, out                                                               
of   committee   with    individual   recommendations   and   the                                                               
accompanying  fiscal  notes.   There  being  no objection,  CSHJR                                                               
12(FSH)  was  reported  from  the   House  Special  Committee  on                                                               
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:27:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 10:28 a.m. to 10:30 a.m.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                HB 107-FISH ENHANCEMENT PERMITS                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:30:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO. 107,  "An  Act  relating  to certain  fish;  and                                                               
establishing a fisheries enhancement permit."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:30:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAVE TALERICO, Alaska  State Legislature, as prime                                                               
sponsor of  HB 107, stated  that HB  107 is a  fish fertilization                                                               
enhancement bill.   He maintained that the permit  proposed in HB                                                               
107  could  boost fish  egg  fertilization  rates  - from  the  5                                                               
percent occurring in  nature to 95 percent using  incubation.  He                                                               
mentioned  that   fish  eggs  would  be   collected,  fertilized,                                                               
incubated, hatched, and released back  as unfed fry into the same                                                               
water from  whence they came.   He opined that releasing  the fry                                                               
into  the original  water would  make the  process as  natural as                                                               
possible.   He stated  that fish  incubation is  not new;  it has                                                               
been done  in many areas  for 40 years.   He maintained  that the                                                               
proposed legislation would clarify  the statutes regarding permit                                                               
requirements.   He  offered  that HB  107  would facilitate  fish                                                               
fertilization enhancement  projects as  a collaborative  effort -                                                               
undertaken by the  private sector, but under the  auspices of the                                                               
Alaska Department  of Fish  & Game (ADF&G).   He  maintained that                                                               
there would  be quite a few  requirements for the permit  and the                                                               
permit  holder   that  would   preclude  an   unqualified  person                                                               
receiving a permit.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:32:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ELIJAH  VERHAGEN,  Staff,  Representative Dave  Talerico,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature,  presented HB 107 on  behalf of Representative                                                               
Talerico,  prime sponsor.   He  referred  to AS  16.05.050(a)(5),                                                               
which states that one of the  duties of the commissioner of ADF&G                                                               
is  to propagate  fish and  fish  populations.   He relayed  that                                                               
ADF&G has  offered fish enhancement  permits like  those proposed                                                               
under HB  107:  permits  for educational purposes in  schools and                                                               
universities, and  for scientific research.   He said  that these                                                               
permits  are  available  to   tribes,  government  agencies,  and                                                               
various  other  entities   through  cooperative  agreements  with                                                               
ADF&G.  He  stated that none of the education  or science permits                                                               
are  outlined  in  statute.   He  maintained  that  the  proposed                                                               
legislation  would outline  in statute  a fish  fertilization and                                                               
enhancement  permit and  put these  permits under  the management                                                               
and scrutiny of ADF&G.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VERHAGEN stated  that  pages 2  and  3 of  HB  107 list  the                                                               
information  that would  be  required on  the  application for  a                                                               
permit:    the  reason  the  applicant  wishes  to  conduct  fish                                                               
fertilization;  the type  of fish  that would  be collected;  the                                                               
number of fish  that would be collected; and  the agreements that                                                               
are in place with local  shareholders around fish collection.  He                                                               
maintained that  the information requested on  the application is                                                               
very  similar to  that which  is required  for the  education and                                                               
science  permits;   however,  HB  107  would   allow  people  and                                                               
corporations to  obtain permits for  the simple reason  that they                                                               
need more fish.   He relayed that in many of  the rivers in State                                                               
House  District  6 in  the  Interior,  ADG&G  does not  have  the                                                               
resources to  perform fish  counts and  does not  have escapement                                                               
goals; however,  local residents have reported  a great reduction                                                               
of fish over the years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VERHAGEN related  that  meeting all  the  conditions of  the                                                               
application would  be difficult; therefore, permits  would not be                                                               
readily  available to  everyone.   He  reiterated  that the  fish                                                               
propagation  process  addressed in  HB  107  would be  a  natural                                                               
process:   it  would not  involve fish  farming; it  would simply                                                               
boost the fertilization  rate from the 5 percent in  nature up to                                                               
roughly 94  percent; the unfed  fish would be released  back into                                                               
the water;  there would be  a ten-day  window for them  to become                                                               
emergent fry fish;  and they would return to  the same watershed.                                                               
He claimed that  the fish would be "as natural  as possible."  He                                                               
maintained  that the  process would  boost the  salmon population                                                               
and  maximize the  resource, as  called for  in the  Alaska State                                                               
Constitution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:37:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES opened public testimony on HB 107.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:38:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  CAIN  testified  that he  works  for  Ahtna,  Incorporated                                                               
(Ahtna)  as  special  projects  manager,  serves  on  the  Prince                                                               
William   Sound   Aquaculture   Corporation  (PWSAC)   board   of                                                               
directors,  and is  president  of the  Copper  Valley Chamber  of                                                               
Commerce, but  he is speaking  on his  own behalf.   He expressed                                                               
his support for HB 107.   He relayed an incident that occurred in                                                               
1971 when he  was 14 years old:   He was working on  the docks in                                                               
Auke  Bay in  Juneau  at a  fish buying  station.   The  business                                                               
served hand  trollers and  a fleet of  commercial fishermen.   It                                                               
was before limited  entry, before the 200-mile  limit, and before                                                               
any hatcheries.   He mentioned  that at  the time, there  were no                                                               
fish.  He relayed that a  gentleman, about 70 years old, returned                                                               
to the  dock with three fish  after having fished all  week.  The                                                               
man earned about  $23 for his fish.   When he put  100 gallons of                                                               
diesel  fuel into  his boat  for $30,  there wasn't  enough money                                                               
from  the fish  to pay  for the  fuel.   It was  a very  sad, but                                                               
defining moment  for Mr. Cain  as a 14-year-old boy  and inspired                                                               
him to be committed to increasing fish populations.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. CAIN relayed that much was  done in that regard:  setting the                                                               
200-mile    limit;   forming    the    Division   of    Fisheries                                                               
Rehabilitation,  Enhancement, and  Development  (FRED) in  ADF&G;                                                               
building the  hatchery system;  and enacting  limited entry.   He                                                               
mentioned that  he could not  have imagined back then  that there                                                               
would be so  many fish one day that people  would worry about the                                                               
effects  of  hatcheries.    He  relayed  that  he  has  lived  in                                                               
Glennallen   in  the   Copper   River  Basin   for  many   years,                                                               
participated  in  the  commercial fishery,  participated  in  the                                                               
personal use fishery,  sport fished, and subsistence  fished.  He                                                               
asserted that  the Gulkana Hatchery  is a "big blessing"  for his                                                               
region, which uses  incubation boxes.  The facility  was built by                                                               
Ken  Roberson,  a  state  biologist,  from  donated  fish  totes,                                                               
gravel, and  plywood.  This  large sockeye salmon  facility keeps                                                               
the river  healthy.   This year  there has been  a very  low king                                                               
salmon  run  on  the  Copper  River,  which  has  prompted  state                                                               
restrictions.    He maintained  that  the  incubation system  has                                                               
worked well on the Copper River for many years.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CAIN  encouraged  the  committee  to support  HB  107.    He                                                               
maintained  the [incubation]  process  could be  used to  restore                                                               
salmon that has  been lost due to highway  construction and other                                                               
activities, and he  mentioned that it would be good  to try it on                                                               
the Yukon River.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:44:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ERIC  GEBHART,  Superintendent,   Nenana  City  School  District,                                                               
testified that  he supports  HB 107.   He  mentioned that  he had                                                               
experience with  fish enhancement in  Kake.  He relayed  that his                                                               
current school  district has the  capacity through  the education                                                               
permit to  engage in fish  enhancement projects, but  he asserted                                                               
that HB 107  would encourage more people to  participate in these                                                               
activities and the schools could  provide an education component.                                                               
He maintained  that the  impact of  education is  greater through                                                               
partnerships   with  science   and   fisheries;  increased   fish                                                               
enhancement projects  would have  a positive  effect on  the fish                                                               
populations; and  education of  youth would  help to  sustain the                                                               
enhancement projects into the future.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:47:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. VERHAGEN relayed that his  office is excited that Mr. Gebhart                                                               
has  had experience  in fish  enhancement and  is working  toward                                                               
doing more  of this in  his school  district.  He  emphasized the                                                               
value of youth participating in  the incubation and fertilization                                                               
of fish eggs  and observing the entire process  from beginning to                                                               
end.   He  expressed his  hope that  for these  young minds,  the                                                               
"excitement and  potential" that  could stem from  this education                                                               
would culminate  in pursuing education  and careers in  the field                                                               
of fish propagation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:50:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WILL  MAYO, Tanana  Chief's Conference  (TCC), testified  that he                                                               
supports HB 107.   He relayed that he has spent  much time on the                                                               
Yukon River  and the primary  "eating" fish  in the area  was the                                                               
king salmon.  He stated that  due to depletion of the king salmon                                                               
population,  there have  been limitations  placed on  king salmon                                                               
harvest.  He maintained that he  has witnessed no activity in the                                                               
fish camps  along the river,  which deprives the young  people of                                                               
the education  that the  salmon harvest offers  them.   He stated                                                               
that TCC  wants to  help maintain robust  wild salmon  stocks; it                                                               
employs  a  scientific  program;  and it  wants  to  develop  the                                                               
capacity  to address  future needs.   He  said that  as resources                                                               
diminish,  the people  diminish,  because they  are dependent  on                                                               
their rural  economies; the  rural economy  is the  wild resource                                                               
economy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MAYO  maintained  that   discreet  salmon  populations  need                                                               
assistance  in  most  regions  of the  state;  a  permit  process                                                               
tailored to restoring  wild salmon is what is needed  and what is                                                               
lacking today.   He said that ADF&G permits are  not adequate for                                                               
the  task  of restoring  wild  salmon:    they are  designed  for                                                               
research  and  education;  they  are limited;  or  they  are  for                                                               
conventional hatcheries.  He maintained  that HB 107 would create                                                               
a process  for restoring discreet  wild salmon  populations using                                                               
guidelines and  clear oversight  by ADF&G  based on  good science                                                               
and  proven practices.   He  asserted  that HB  107 represents  a                                                               
conservative approach to  assure that wild salmon  are kept wild:                                                               
they are  not pen-fed  fish; they  are not  conventional hatchery                                                               
fish; and they  are returned to their river of  origin.  He added                                                               
that  HB 107  speaks  to the  importance  of collaboration,  data                                                               
collection, and  education within  the process of  restoration of                                                               
wild  salmon  stocks.    He  said that  TCC  finds  the  proposed                                                               
legislation  necessary to  fill  a niche  that  is currently  not                                                               
filled;  the  current  permits  have  been  unreliable  for  this                                                               
effort.   He  asserted  that  HB 107  would  allow  the state  to                                                               
proceed with a program to assist wild stocks.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:54:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
NANCY HILLSTRAND testified  that she has 21  years' experience as                                                               
a fish  culturist of five  species of  salmon and two  species of                                                               
trout, and  she opposes  HB 107.   She said  that although  it is                                                               
well intentioned, Alaska can "go  wrong" with enhancement and has                                                               
multiple  times.   She asserted  that HB  107 would  be dangerous                                                               
legislation  for Alaska's  wild  spawning salmon  resource.   She                                                               
maintained that the  danger lies in multiple  people handling the                                                               
fish with no  oversight.  She mentioned that ADF&G  does not have                                                               
the resources  to do the  proper oversight that would  be needed.                                                               
She   stated  that   the  simple   act  of   "adding  fish"   has                                                               
consequences.  She  claimed that HB 107 is  a "Band-Aid" approach                                                               
to underlying symptoms affecting distinct stock.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HILLSTRAND referred  to  an  excerpt of  a  sentence in  the                                                               
sponsor statement,  which read  as follows  [original punctuation                                                               
provided]:  "Although  the Dept. of Fish & Game  is currently not                                                               
counting  the fish  population  in many  rivers  in our  interior                                                               
district such as the Nenana, Tanana  and upper Yukon rivers ... "                                                               
and testified, "That's  what we need."  She  asserted that Alaska                                                               
needs more focus  on these areas to learn "what  is going on" and                                                               
to  get the  Board of  Fisheries "on-board"  to make  sure it  is                                                               
aware of what is transpiring in these areas.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HILLSTRAND stated  that in  the last  couple years,  Chinook                                                               
salmon has  been slowly rebounding;  the North  Pacific [Fishery]                                                               
Management Council  (NPFMC) has placed  caps on the  huge bycatch                                                               
of Chinook in  the Bering Sea.  She relayed  NPFMC's statement as                                                               
follows:   "The majority, 64  percent, of Chinook  salmon bycatch                                                               
in  the  Bering Sea  is  from  aggregate coastal  Western  Alaska                                                               
stock, which  includes rivers from  Norton Sound to  Bristol Bay,                                                               
including Yukon  and Kuskokwim."   She  expressed that  these are                                                               
symptoms and  there are multiple  symptoms causing  problems with                                                               
salmon.  She offered that the  bycatch caps do seem to be helping                                                               
the salmon rebound,  but she opined that Alaska  needs to monitor                                                               
the distinct  stocks in  the upper tributaries  and take  care of                                                               
its wild fish before altering  them with any type of enhancement.                                                               
She stated that  as a fish culturist, she is  very concerned; she                                                               
witnessed fish  hatcheries evolving  from what was  considered an                                                               
enhancement to  a factory production  costing the  state millions                                                               
and millions of dollars.  She  emphasized that the state needs to                                                               
"slow  down," look  at the  habitat, determine  why ADF&G  is not                                                               
paying  more   attention  to  the   habitat  and  the   food  web                                                               
interactions.  She  reiterated that Alaska does not  need a Band-                                                               
Aid but needs to study the symptoms.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:57:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PETE VELSKO  testified that he  supports HB 107 and  referenced a                                                               
letter  sent  to the  committee  detailing  his experience.    He                                                               
mentioned  that he  began working  with  ADF&G at  the Tutka  Bay                                                               
Hatchery  in Homer  in  1976.   He  said  when  the hatchery  was                                                               
transferred to the Cook Inlet  Aquaculture Association (CIAA), he                                                               
was  transferred to  Nome, which  was having  problems with  chum                                                               
salmon.  He  was sent to Nome to test  in-stream incubation boxes                                                               
to determine the  feasibility of putting them in  area streams to                                                               
help rebuild the run.  He worked  from 1991 to 1997 under FRED in                                                               
Nome.   His  job  was  to try  to  implement  small scale  salmon                                                               
restoration enhancement  projects for  15 villages in  the Norton                                                               
Sound area and  it included educational programs  in the schools.                                                               
Nome had a very active high school incubation project.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. VELSKO stated  that in 1993-1994, FRED was  combined with the                                                               
Division  of Commercial  Fisheries  (DCF) [ADF&G]  due to  budget                                                               
cuts.    As a  result,  the  salmon restoration  and  enhancement                                                               
projects in  Nome became  very low  priority and  were abandoned.                                                               
He stated  that the need for  these projects was real  and people                                                               
wanted  to   see  them  continued.     He  maintained   that  the                                                               
disappearance  of FRED  left a  void  not readily  filled by  the                                                               
private non-profit (PNP) aquaculture associations  or by CFD.  He                                                               
maintained that the  PNPs are in the business  of producing large                                                               
numbers  of  fish,  primarily for  commercial  fisherman  located                                                               
along the coast, and DCF focuses  on managing fish, as opposed to                                                               
producing fish.  He said that  his question is:  "Who's out there                                                               
to assist the more rural  villages who might want help increasing                                                               
salmon  opportunities in  those areas?"   He  opined that  HB 107                                                               
might be a "step in the right direction."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. VELSKO  summarized by saying  that he  was doing the  kind of                                                               
work in Nome that he believes HB  107 would do.  He said that all                                                               
the villages  in the area  were very enthusiastic and  helpful in                                                               
providing  him with  good  information.   He  maintained that  to                                                               
check  the feasibility  of chum  salmon in  Nome, "you've  got to                                                               
complete the experiment."   He added that when  FRED was combined                                                               
with  DCF, the  project was  not finished.   He  stated that  the                                                               
incubation boxes  did produce salmon -  as much as 70  percent on                                                               
one incubator -  but because the experiment  was never completed,                                                               
he does  not know the  return of fish.   He maintained  that more                                                               
than one  life cycle is  needed to see  if such an  experiment is                                                               
working.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:03:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  MANN  testified that  he  has  been  fishing for  55  years                                                               
throughout Southeast, Bristol Bay,  Cook Inlet, and areas outside                                                               
of Alaska; he  was a board member of the  Douglas Island Pink and                                                               
Chum (DIPAC) Macaulay  Salmon Hatchery for ten years;  and he was                                                               
president  of  the  United Southeast  Alaska  Gillnetters  (USAG)                                                               
Association.   He  stated  that  he supports  HB  107 because  he                                                               
supports  the  actions  by  DIPAC   and  the  Northern  Southeast                                                               
Regional  Aquaculture  Association  (NSRAA).   He  expressed  his                                                               
belief  that the  communities can  prove,  with the  help of  the                                                               
experts at  the hatcheries,  that the  fish enhancement  is being                                                               
done  correctly.   He maintained  that one  can identify  the run                                                               
entry program  where it is  being intercepted.  The  personnel at                                                               
DIPAC  invented  a way  to  identify  the  specific fish  from  a                                                               
specific area,  so that fish  following the Japanese  current and                                                               
coming  into  Icy  Straits  or  by Noyes  Island  can  be  easily                                                               
identified.   They  know where  the  fish are  going, where  they                                                               
belong,  and   who  is  catching  them;   therefore,  appropriate                                                               
regulations can be put into place for commercial fishing.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MANN  mentioned that  he was  involved with  incubation boxes                                                               
for sockeye salmon,  spawning channels on the  Chilkat River, and                                                               
incubation  boxes  throughout  the  tributaries  of  the  Chilkat                                                               
River.    He maintained  that  these  activities have  been  very                                                               
successful  [for   fish  enhancement]  and  asserted   that  fish                                                               
enhancement is  important for  other communities.   He  said that                                                               
once there  are large numbers  of fish  coming back to  the river                                                               
systems that  can handle it, the  state will do well  not only in                                                               
commercial  fishing,  but  in  sport  fishing  and  personal  use                                                               
fishing,  as  well.   He  suggested  that  GM fish  are  emerging                                                               
because of the  popularity of salmon in the world  and the desire                                                               
to make money  from that.  He maintained that  Alaska is becoming                                                               
the  "number one  place in  the  world" [for  salmon] and  should                                                               
recognize and take advantage of that.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:07:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES, after  ascertaining that there was no  one else who                                                               
wished to testify, closed public testimony on HB 107.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:08:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  asked for someone  from ADF&G to  respond to                                                               
the  concern  that  an  unqualified   individual  might  do  fish                                                               
enhancement  and  to  speak  to  the  qualifications  of  someone                                                               
receiving a permit.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:09:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SAM  RABUNG,  Section  Chief,  Private  Non-Profit  Hatchery  and                                                               
Aquatic Farming  and Planning and Permitting,  responded that the                                                               
provisions  [for  receiving  a  permit]  are  stringent  and  the                                                               
requirements are  designed for applicants  who are  not amateurs.                                                               
He stated  that the  permits would be  subject to  ADF&G genetics                                                               
policies,  fish  health  policies,  sustainable  escapement  goal                                                               
policies,  sustainable  salmon  fisheries   policies  -  all  the                                                               
existing  guidance ADF&G  currently has  for permits;  therefore,                                                               
nothing amateurish would be allowed to proceed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:09:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  asked if  Mr. Rabung regarded  HB 107  as an                                                               
opportunity for  a public-private  partnership because  more work                                                               
is  needed to  have  more fish,  but  the state  is  not able  to                                                               
support  that work  alone.   The state  would still  regulate the                                                               
activity, but private dollars would infuse the effort.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. RABUNG  answered that there is  nothing in HB 107  that gives                                                               
ADF&G a permitting  authority that it does not already  have.  He                                                               
said that  ADF&G crafts the  enhancement or  restoration projects                                                               
as research  under the Fish  Resource Permit (FRP)  policy, which                                                               
is  for  scientific  and educational  objectives;  this  research                                                               
involves  studying  the efficacy  of  this  technique to  restore                                                               
salmon  runs.   He opined  that  the supporters  of the  proposed                                                               
legislation  want it  clearly defined  in statute  that they  can                                                               
conduct this  fish enhancement  activity.  He  added that  he did                                                               
not expect a  rush of applicants for new  projects; the proposals                                                               
would  be well  thought  out;  and there  are  provisions in  the                                                               
proposed  legislation that  require considerable  pre-work before                                                               
permits are  awarded.   He offered  that a  permit would  only be                                                               
awarded if stakeholders and ADF&G deemed it appropriate.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:11:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STUTES  asked if  ADF&G  has  the  funds to  oversee  this                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. RABUNG replied  that ADF&G views the  proposed legislation as                                                               
having  a zero  fiscal note,  because the  permits fall  within a                                                               
category  that ADF&G  already  processes.   He  offered that  the                                                               
proposed   legislation  requires   the   permit   holder  to   be                                                               
responsible for collecting the data;  it is a stakeholder-driven,                                                               
user-paid approach.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:12:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   TARR   stated   that   Alaska's   current   fish                                                               
enhancement and  hatchery development  policy seeks  to segregate                                                               
wild  fish  from  hatchery  fish   to  avoid  interbreeding,  and                                                               
activity under  HB 107 would not.   She asked Mr.  Rabung for his                                                               
response to that concern.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. RABUNG  responded that the  PNP program is a  different model                                                               
altogether;  it is  large scale  fishery enhancement  designed to                                                               
enhance  fisheries,  not  fish  populations.   He  said  that  by                                                               
definition,  it is  designed  to  produce additional  harvestable                                                               
surplus paid for  by the commercial fleet and for  the benefit of                                                               
the  commercial fleet.    He  added that  the  PNP programs  were                                                               
designed to  have terminal harvest  areas; the fish  would return                                                               
to  where  they  would  not  have  significant  interaction  with                                                               
natural  spawning stocks.   He  reiterated that  fish enhancement                                                               
under  the  proposed legislation  is  a  different model;  it  is                                                               
referred  to  as rehabilitation  or  restoration,  as opposed  to                                                               
fishery enhancement; and it is  designed to restore existing fish                                                               
populations to the higher levels of the past.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:14:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FANSLER  asked the sponsor  of HB 107 if  he would                                                               
be  opposed  to  a  friendly   amendment  substituting  the  term                                                               
"enhancement" with the term "rehabilitation".                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO agreed  that  "rehabilitation" would  be                                                               
the correct term.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FANSLER suggested  that the  change may  make the                                                               
intent  of   the  proposed  legislation   clearer  and   avoid  a                                                               
misunderstanding among the public.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:15:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS asked if ADF&G supports HB 107.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RABUNG answered that ADF&G's position on HB 107 is neutral.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:16:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN expressed his concern  that the use of the                                                               
term  "rehabilitation" might  fail to  communicate to  ADF&G that                                                               
the committee supports anything  that would help increase maximum                                                               
yield  of the  resource.   He  said that  even  if Alaska's  fish                                                               
production level has  never been at the point Alaska  wants it to                                                               
be, that doesn't mean Alaska should not try to achieve it.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:16:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES stated an amendment would be drafted to accommodate                                                                
all [suggestions].                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:17:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STUTES announced HB 107 was held over.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:17:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Fisheries meeting was adjourned at 11:17                                                                   
a.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HJR012 Sponsor Statement 2.22.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 ver A 2.22.17.PDF HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 Fiscal Note LEG-SESS-02-23-17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 Support - Alaska Trollers Association 2.27.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 Support - Southeast Alaska Fishermen's Alliance 2.27.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 Support - Petersburg Vessel Owners Association 2.27.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 Support - Southeast Alaska Seiners Association 2.27.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 Support - United Fishermen of Alaska.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 Support - United Southeast Alaska Gillnetters 2.27.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document-Alaska Dispatch News Article 2.22.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document-Reps. Young and Defazio 2.22.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document-Sen. Murkowski 2.22.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HJR 12
HB107 Sponsor Statement 2.8.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Sectional Analysis 2.8.2017.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB107 Ver O.PDF HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Fiscal Note DFG-DCF-02-24-17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Additional Documentation. Considerations for Salmon Restoration Planning.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Additional Documents, Josephson Permitting process letter.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Additional Documentation. Egg Survival Rate Comparrison.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Gulkana Incubation Picture.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Moist air incubator picture.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Support ADN Article.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Support Copper Valley Chamber of Commerce.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Support Doyon 2.14.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Support Mentasta Council.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Support Nenana City School District 2.16.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Support Pete Velsko.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 4/26/2017 1:00:00 PM
HB 107
HB107 Sectional Analysis 2.8.2017.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HB 107
HJR012 Support UFA.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HJR 12
HJR012 Supporting Document - Presentation House Resources Committee 3.12.17.pdf HFSH 2/28/2017 10:00:00 AM
HRES 3/13/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2017 3:00:00 PM
HRES 3/15/2017 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/20/2017 7:00:00 PM
HRES 3/22/2017 6:00:00 PM
HJR 12