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02/02/2026 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:33:01 PM Start
01:34:15 PM Overview: Governor's Fy 2027 Budget Overview by the Department of Administration
02:20:47 PM Overview: Statewide Salary Study Update by the Department of Administration
03:05:47 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 263 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET;AMEND;SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 265 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Overview: FY27 Governor's Budget Overview and TELECONFERENCED
2025 Statewide Salary Study Update by the
Department of Administration
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 2, 2026                                                                                           
                         1:33 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:33:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  called   the  House  Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 1:33 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Calvin Schrage, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jamie Allard                                                                                                     
Representative Jeremy Bynum                                                                                                     
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Nellie Unangiq Jimmie                                                                                            
Representative Elexie Moore                                                                                                     
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Stefanie  Bingham,  Director,   Division  of  Administrative                                                                    
Services,  Department  of   Administration;  Aimee  Devaris,                                                                    
Director,    Division    of   Personnel,    Department    of                                                                    
Administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Bill Smith,  State Chief Information Officer,  Department of                                                                    
Administration;  Kathleen  Wallace,  Director,  Division  of                                                                    
Motor  Vehicles;  Terrance  Haas,  Public  Defender,  Public                                                                    
Defender   Agency,  Department   of  Administration;   James                                                                    
Stintson,  Director, Office  of Public  Advocacy, Department                                                                    
of Administration.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 263    APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET;AMEND;SUPP                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          HB 263 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 265    APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          HB 265 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: STATEWIDE SALARY STUDY UPDATE BY THE DEPARTMENT                                                                       
OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: GOVERNOR'S FY 2027 BUDGET OVERVIEW BY THE                                                                             
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 263                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;  making   supplemental  appropriations;                                                                    
     making  appropriations  under   art.  IX,  sec.  17(c),                                                                    
     Constitution  of   the  State   of  Alaska,   from  the                                                                    
     constitutional budget  reserve fund; and  providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 265                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: GOVERNOR'S FY 2027 BUDGET OVERVIEW BY THE                                                                          
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:34:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEFANIE  BINGHAM,  DIRECTOR,   DIVISION  OF  ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                    
SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT  OF   ADMINISTRATION,  introduced  the                                                                    
PowerPoint   presentation,  "Department   of  Administration                                                                    
FY2027 Governor's  Budget Overview"  dated February  2, 2026                                                                    
(copy  on  file).  She  noted   that  she  was  new  to  the                                                                    
Department  of Administration  (DOA) and  had served  in the                                                                    
position for  six months. She began  on slide 2 and  gave an                                                                    
overview of the mission and  organization of the Division of                                                                    
Administrative  Services  (DAS).   She  explained  that  the                                                                    
department's   mission  was   to   provide  consistent   and                                                                    
efficient support  services to state agencies  so they could                                                                    
better serve Alaskans. She outlined  services to the public,                                                                    
including  legal and  advocacy services,  the Alaska  Public                                                                    
Offices Commission  (APOC), public  communications services,                                                                    
and the Division of Motor  Vehicles (DMV). She also outlined                                                                    
services  to   state  agencies,  including  the   Office  of                                                                    
Administrative Hearings (OAH), DAS,  the Division of Finance                                                                    
(DOF), the  Division of Personnel  (DOP), and the  Office of                                                                    
Information Technology (OIT).                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham advanced  to slide  3,  which reflected  budget                                                                    
trends from  FY 21  through FY 27.  She reported  that DOA's                                                                    
proposed FY  27 budget  totaled $350  million, up  from $340                                                                    
million in FY 26.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:35:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  welcomed  Ms. Bingham  and  expressed                                                                    
appreciation  for  her  coming   before  the  committee.  He                                                                    
understood that  she was new  but expressed  confidence that                                                                    
she would give a great presentation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham thanked Representative  Stapp. She continued the                                                                    
presentation  on slide  3.  She  reported that  unrestricted                                                                    
general  funds (UGF)  totaled $99.8  million, up  from $96.6                                                                    
million  in  FY 26.  She  reported  that designated  general                                                                    
funds (DGF)  totaled $36.5 million,  up from  $35.4 million.                                                                    
She  reported that  other funds  totaled $212.3  million, up                                                                    
from  $207.6  million  in  FY  26,  and  primarily  included                                                                    
interagency  receipts and  the OIT  service fund.  She added                                                                    
that  federal  funds  totaled  $1.3  million  which  was  an                                                                    
increase of approximately $23,000.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham advanced  to slide 4, which displayed  the FY 27                                                                    
budget by fund group  and provided an additional perspective                                                                    
on  the previous  slide.  She continued  to  slide 5,  which                                                                    
showed  how funds  were  allocated  across results  delivery                                                                    
units  (RDU),   which  represented  appropriations   in  the                                                                    
budget. She  noted that the department  was primarily funded                                                                    
by the other fund  group, including interagency receipts and                                                                    
the  OIT  Information  Services   Fund.  She  detailed  that                                                                    
centralized  administrative  services (CAS)  totaled  $104.8                                                                    
million,  OIT totaled  $68.2 million,  and  the Division  of                                                                    
Risk Management  (DRM) totaled  $35.2 million.  She reported                                                                    
that  the  largest  portion  within UGF  was  in  legal  and                                                                    
advocacy services  at $85.7 million  and the  smallest share                                                                    
was under  $11.6 million.  She added that Shared Services of                                                                    
Alaska (SSA) was eliminated in the FY 27 budget.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  noted  that   she  had  received  an                                                                    
inquiry from a state  employee regarding SSA positions being                                                                    
moved  back to  departments  during the  hiring freeze.  She                                                                    
asked  if   employees  would   move  laterally   with  their                                                                    
positions rather than needing to reapply.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  clarified that SSA  and payroll  were separate,                                                                    
and payroll fell  under DOF while SSA was  its own division.                                                                    
She  explained that  accounting and  travel functions  would                                                                    
return to  the departments  and that filled  positions would                                                                    
move with  the employees. She  added that if  positions were                                                                    
vacant, agencies  would work collaboratively to  recruit new                                                                    
candidates.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  for confirmation  that current                                                                    
employees would  not lose their  jobs, but that  some vacant                                                                    
positions might  need to be  reevaluated and  reapplied for.                                                                    
She  asked if  vacant  positions might  be  affected by  the                                                                    
hiring freeze.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham  replied  that the  hiring  freeze  should  not                                                                    
impact the transfers because the  department was receiving a                                                                    
blanket waiver  to continue recruitment. She  noted that one                                                                    
position would be eliminated, which was the SSA director.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:40:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham advanced to slide  6 which showed FY 26 requests                                                                    
that  were  not funded.  She  reported  that the  Office  of                                                                    
Public  Advocacy (OPA)  had  requested  three positions:  an                                                                    
administrative officer, a paralegal,  and an attorney V. She                                                                    
added that OIT had requested  Microsoft 365 Copilot AI tools                                                                    
and  related  projects,  and DMV  had  requested  additional                                                                    
programming   capacity   through   an   analyst   programmer                                                                    
position.  She   explained  that   the  requests   were  not                                                                    
resubmitted  for FY  27 because  the department  prioritized                                                                    
its most critical needs given statewide budget constraints.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham advanced to slide  7, which showed the status of                                                                    
FY 26 items. She reported  that OPA included $450,000 of UGF                                                                    
and  associated authority  for  guardian  eligibility and  a                                                                    
public guardian  position related  to Child  in Need  of Aid                                                                    
(CAN)  casework.  She  reported  that  the  Public  Defender                                                                    
Agency (PDA)  included $1.5 million of  statutory designated                                                                    
program   receipts  for   contractual   assistance  to   the                                                                    
Municipality of  Anchorage for misdemeanor cases.  She added                                                                    
that OIT included $529,000 of  other funds to address rising                                                                    
software and contract costs  associated with increased usage                                                                    
and inflation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson noted that  the items identified on slide                                                                    
6 were  requests made  the prior year  that were  not funded                                                                    
and were not being  re-requested. He asked for clarification                                                                    
on whether slide 7 reflected  items that had been funded. He                                                                    
asked if the  department was reporting on the  status of the                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham responded in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked for  more information  about the                                                                    
OIT  fund  source listed  as  other.  He asked  whether  the                                                                    
source was program receipts or a licensing fee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham  responded  that it  was  the  OIT  Information                                                                    
Services Fund.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp noted the  paragraph under OIT on slide                                                                    
7 referencing increased usage  and inflation through ongoing                                                                    
contract review,  careful service prioritization,  and long-                                                                    
term lifecycle  planning. He asked  what the terms  meant in                                                                    
relation to licensing and software  costs. He suggested that                                                                    
the department could follow up in writing if necessary.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham deferred the question to her colleague.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:44:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILL SMITH,  STATE CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER,  DEPARTMENT OF                                                                    
ADMINISTRATION   (via    teleconference),   explained   that                                                                    
licensing   and  software   costs   were   driven  both   by                                                                    
inflationary  increases   in  per-license  charges   and  by                                                                    
increased utilization by departments.  He added that as more                                                                    
employees  used  certain  services,   costs  rose,  and  OIT                                                                    
adjusted in  response to departmental  needs. He  noted that                                                                    
there were additional steps the  office was taking to manage                                                                    
overall operational costs.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan noted  that  in the  prior year,  the                                                                    
legislature had  denied funding for  one DMV item  to expand                                                                    
its IT  capacity. She observed  that the  division generated                                                                    
revenue for  the general fund  and asked whether  broader IT                                                                    
improvements  elsewhere would  benefit  DMV.  She noted  the                                                                    
division had  identified a  need for  its own  IT capability                                                                    
and asked if the division  would benefit from the expansions                                                                    
occurring in other areas.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Smith  responded that  the answer was   yes and  no.  He                                                                    
explained that  the DMV  benefited from  enterprise services                                                                    
within OIT. However, he clarified  that the specific request                                                                    
in  question involved  a system  unique  to DMV  and not  an                                                                    
enterprise-wide system. He explained  that such systems were                                                                    
generally managed, resourced, and  provided by the divisions                                                                    
or  departments themselves  and  were not  part  of the  OIT                                                                    
service  catalog.  He  suggested that  the  committee  could                                                                    
consult  the DMV  director for  more  information about  the                                                                    
specific impacts on DMV.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked  if the FY 26  requests on slide                                                                    
6 that  were not included  in the  budget in the  prior year                                                                    
and  were not  being  resubmitted had  been  stopped at  the                                                                    
Office of Management  and Budget (OMB) level.  She asked for                                                                    
confirmation on whether  the DMV had made  the same requests                                                                    
again to  improve service and  efficiency, but  the requests                                                                    
were  not  included  in  the OMB  budget  delivered  to  the                                                                    
committee. She asked if DMV had made the requests.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  replied that  the request had  not been  for IT                                                                    
capacity but rather  for a position to work  on IT capacity.                                                                    
She explained that the division  had been able to manage the                                                                    
work within  existing resources  and the  item had  not been                                                                    
re-requested.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  remarked that he had  a similar question                                                                    
regarding OPA  and PDA. He  assumed the requests  would rise                                                                    
to  a  high level  of  priority  if  the entities  were  not                                                                    
meeting   their    obligations   and    had   constitutional                                                                    
responsibilities  and needed  more  resources. He  expressed                                                                    
hope that OMB would be responsive.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  responded that she believed  OPA Director James                                                                    
Stinson  was available  online for  questions. She  reported                                                                    
that the  department was working  with OMB on its  needs and                                                                    
discussing  the  needs internally  as  they  arose, but  the                                                                    
current  budget  did  not reflect  an  increase  other  than                                                                    
salary adjustments.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  indicated he would set  aside the matter                                                                    
for now rather than questioning the online testifiers.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:49:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham continued  at slide 8, which  showed the enacted                                                                    
FY  26  management plan  by  line  item. She  reported  that                                                                    
personnel services  accounted for the largest  share at over                                                                    
$70 million for legal and  advocacy services. She noted that                                                                    
the  smallest share  was APOC.  She  reported that  services                                                                    
were  significant for  CAS at  $55.5 million,  OIT at  $37.2                                                                    
million,  and  DRM at  $34.2  million.  She added  that  the                                                                    
smallest share for services was  APOC at $89,600. She stated                                                                    
that commodities and capital  outlay remained minimal across                                                                    
the department,  with the largest  share being  $1.3 million                                                                    
for DMV.  She reported that  travel was also  minimal across                                                                    
the department,  with the  largest share  being for  OPA and                                                                    
PDA at just over $1 million.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin noted  that APOC  appeared to  be the                                                                    
only  line  item  showing  a  reduction  in  funds  for  the                                                                    
upcoming year. She asked whether  the commission was already                                                                    
meeting its mission  or if there was another  reason for the                                                                    
reduction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  responded that  she would  follow up  with more                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard  asked if the presentation  listed the                                                                    
number of  employees under  APOC and  the amount  of funding                                                                    
designated to their income.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham  replied that  she  could  follow up  with  the                                                                    
details.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard asked for  the information to be fully                                                                    
broken down to show the  amounts APOC received and where the                                                                    
funding went. She requested that  the details be provided to                                                                    
all members by email.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:53:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  continued to slide  9 and reviewed some  of the                                                                    
department's recent  accomplishments. She reported  that the                                                                    
department  maintained  retirement and  benefits  operations                                                                    
during   system   outages,   automated   payroll   timesheet                                                                    
approvals,   which  eliminated   manual   review  of   7,500                                                                    
timesheets per  pay period,  completed the  statewide salary                                                                    
study and  implemented based recruitment,  migrated disaster                                                                    
recovery  and Oracle  systems to  the  cloud, which  reduced                                                                    
recovery time  from days to minutes,  and stabilized defense                                                                    
services while reducing attorney vacancies.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  reviewed slide  10 and  summarized some  of the                                                                    
high  level  FY  27  budget  changes  department  wide.  She                                                                    
reported that there was an addition  of $2 million for an IT                                                                    
class study  implementation and $7.7 million  for salary and                                                                    
AlaskaCare   rate  adjustments.   She  explained   that  SSA                                                                    
included   57  positions   transferring  back   to  original                                                                    
agencies   for  accounts   payable,   travel,  and   expense                                                                    
activities. She added that  24 permanent full-time positions                                                                    
and 6 non-permanent positions were  transferring from SSA to                                                                    
DOF and  the SSA  director position was  deleted due  to the                                                                    
reorganization.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham advanced  to slide  11 and  provided additional                                                                    
detail  on  division  changes and  position  transfers.  She                                                                    
reported that  40 permanent  full-time payroll  positions in                                                                    
DOF  were  moving  back to  agencies.  She  listed  position                                                                    
transfers from  DOF to  agencies as  follows: eight  for the                                                                    
Department of  Corrections (DOC), six for  the Department of                                                                    
Fish and  Game (DFG), one  for the Department of  Law (DOL),                                                                    
one  for the  Department  of Military  and Veterans  Affairs                                                                    
(DMVA), four for the Department  of Natural Resources (DNR),                                                                    
three for the Department of  Public Safety (DPS), and 17 for                                                                    
the  Department  of  Transportation  and  Public  Facilities                                                                    
(DOT). She  added that  one accountant  position transferred                                                                    
to the  Office of  the Governor, OIT  deleted one  long term                                                                    
vacant position for  a reduction of $140,000,  and PDA added                                                                    
one  holistic defense  worker funded  by  the Alaska  Mental                                                                    
Health Trust Authority (AMHTA).                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham continued  to slide  12 and  explained that  it                                                                    
provided a  consolidated view of  the FY 27  proposed budget                                                                    
by division  and fund source, showing  total allocations and                                                                    
changes from  FY 26. Some  of the major shifts  included the                                                                    
elimination  of SSA  and  an  increase for  DOF  due to  the                                                                    
deconsolidation of  SSA and the movement  of procurement and                                                                    
print services to CAS.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham moved  to slide 13 and  reviewed vacancy trends.                                                                    
She  reported  that  vacancy rates  had  varied  over  time,                                                                    
peaking in  some divisions such  as DOF  and OIT for  IT and                                                                    
accountant  positions. She  noted  that  DMV positions  were                                                                    
experiencing high turnover in  lower range positions such as                                                                    
range 10 and  range 12, but the  department was prioritizing                                                                    
the positions.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked  what the salary looked  like for a                                                                    
range 10 employee.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  replied that she  would need to follow  up with                                                                    
the information.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson observed  that employees  at a  range 10                                                                    
did  not appear  satisfied with  their wages  and there  was                                                                    
notable turnover.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham responded  that  employees  typically moved  up                                                                    
from lower range positions, which  contributed to the higher                                                                    
turnover.  She noted  that range  10 was  one of  the lowest                                                                    
range positions.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:57:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked what a  range 10 employee at DMV                                                                    
would be doing.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham deferred the question to her colleague.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
KATHLEEN WALLACE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF MOTOR VEHICLES (via                                                                    
teleconference), responded that a  range 10 DMV employee was                                                                    
frontline  staff who  helped customers  in person,  over the                                                                    
phone, through  the mail, and  through online  services. She                                                                    
explained  the  employees  processed everything  the  public                                                                    
would need at  the DMV short of the road  skills test, which                                                                    
were  performed  by  range  12   employees  and  above.  She                                                                    
explained  that   range  10  employees   processed  driver's                                                                    
licenses,   commercial   driver's  licenses,   and   vehicle                                                                    
transactions. She reiterated that  anything the public would                                                                    
go to the DMV for was processed by a range 10 employee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan remarked  she was  somewhat surprised                                                                    
by  the  response.  She  observed  the  range  10  employees                                                                    
generated money  for the state  and interacted  heavily with                                                                    
the  public. She  noted that  there was  a stereotype  about                                                                    
negative experiences  at DMV offices  but she  had generally                                                                    
had  positive experiences  with DMV  staff who  were helpful                                                                    
and able to solve  problems quickly. She referenced examples                                                                    
such  as obtaining  a permanent  identification  card and  a                                                                    
temporary  handicap placard  during  knee surgery  recovery.                                                                    
She  emphasized  the   extraordinary  aptitude  required  to                                                                    
interact with  the public and  solve problems  and expressed                                                                    
that  the   state  needed  to  retain   DMV  employees.  She                                                                    
suggested  the salary  study might  recommend placing  those                                                                    
positions at a  higher range and stressed  the importance of                                                                    
strong frontline service delivery for Alaskans.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard asked  how much  a range  10, step  A                                                                    
employee made.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wallace  responded that the  total cost for a  range 10,                                                                    
step A  was $79,820 per  year and  that the base  salary the                                                                    
employee took home was $40,599.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard  asked for confirmation that  a step A                                                                    
range 10  made almost  $80,000 to process  driver's licenses                                                                    
and related work.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wallace  clarified that the $79,820  figure included all                                                                    
benefits, including health insurance.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard  asked what  the actual salary  was as                                                                    
compared to the full benefits amount.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wallace  responded that the  base salary  minus benefits                                                                    
was $40,599.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard  commented  that  the  salary  was  a                                                                    
"stinger" and she wanted the information out in the open.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:02:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Tomaszewski  asked   how   many  range   10                                                                    
employees moved up  into new positions. He  thought it would                                                                    
be  useful to  know  whether employees  were being  promoted                                                                    
rather than leaving for outside employment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  responded that obtaining the  information would                                                                    
be  somewhat challenging  because  employees  could move  to                                                                    
other  agencies  and  the department  might  not  have  full                                                                    
statewide  visibility. She  indicated  the department  could                                                                    
look into the matter  and provide whatever additional detail                                                                    
was available.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski expressed  his appreciation  but                                                                    
advised the  department not to  spend excessive time  on the                                                                    
request.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  continued with slide  14 and explained  that it                                                                    
showed  vacancy percentages  by RDU.  She reported  that the                                                                    
overall vacancy  rate for  FY 26 was  about 17  percent. She                                                                    
clarified  that  the  data represented  full-time  positions                                                                    
only as  of December 15,  2025. She added that  if full-time                                                                    
and non-permanent positions as  of January 15 were combined,                                                                    
the  department's vacancy  rate would  be 13.1  percent. She                                                                    
explained  that  the  department elected  to  use  full-time                                                                    
positions  when  presenting  vacancy rates  because  of  the                                                                    
seasonal nature of non-permanent positions.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  observed  that DRM  staff  were  highly                                                                    
skilled  and educated  and asked  what conclusion  should be                                                                    
drawn from the vacancy rate in the division.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham confirmed the positions  were highly skilled and                                                                    
explained  there  were three  vacant  positions  in a  small                                                                    
division of  six. She reported  the department  was actively                                                                    
recruiting for  all three positions  and noted  the director                                                                    
of DRM was available for further questions.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  noted that funding had  not increased                                                                    
for APOC  and it had  a 33  percent vacancy rate.  She asked                                                                    
whether the  high percentage  was due to  the small  size of                                                                    
the commission.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham responded  that  APOC was  very  small and  the                                                                    
vacancy percentages  could increase quickly when  even a few                                                                    
positions  were  vacant.  She   added  that  the  department                                                                    
prioritized  filling  positions   in  small  divisions  with                                                                    
limited staff.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:06:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp remarked  that the  state had  shifted                                                                    
back  and   forth  for  decades  between   centralizing  and                                                                    
decentralizing functions  such as payroll. He  suggested the                                                                    
department  and OMB  document the  reasons  for the  current                                                                    
decentralization so future  decision makers would understand                                                                    
the rationale.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  agreed and indicated the  department would work                                                                    
to ensure the reasoning was documented.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham advanced  to  slide 15  and  explained that  it                                                                    
provided additional  vacancy detail by component.  She noted                                                                    
that  DOF  and  DOP  had prominent  vacancy  challenges  and                                                                    
reported that recruitment  and retention remained priorities                                                                    
across  the department.  She stated  that  vacancy rates  by                                                                    
division ranged from 4.9 percent to 33.3 percent.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if Mr.  Terrance Haas  was online.                                                                    
After learning  that he was,  he asked Mr. Haas  to describe                                                                    
how he would  solve the trial delay issue  referenced in the                                                                    
ProPublica stories if he had full authority.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TERRANCE  HAAS,  PUBLIC  DEFENDER, PUBLIC  DEFENDER  AGENCY,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT   OF    ADMINISTRATION,   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
remarked that  if he were  a benign dictator  with unlimited                                                                    
resources  and   power,  the   answer  would   be  partially                                                                    
procedural  and outside  his control  as a  public defender,                                                                    
specifically the  way cases moved through  the court system.                                                                    
He explained  that his two  consistent needs  were employing                                                                    
enough  lawyers   and  employing  lawyers   with  sufficient                                                                    
experience. He  conveyed the agency  was working  toward the                                                                    
goal but  he would  prefer to  progress faster.  He reported                                                                    
that he  was hiring  lawyers at  a rapid  pace, but  it took                                                                    
time  to  train  them.  He  indicated  that  with  unlimited                                                                    
authority  he   would  ensure  a   large  group   of  highly                                                                    
experienced lawyers were ready to  handle serious cases at a                                                                    
reasonable  speed. Under  current conditions,  he emphasized                                                                    
the need for  time to train staff and noted  that effort was                                                                    
ongoing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  posed the same  question to  Mr. Stinson                                                                    
regarding  the trial  backlog and  frequent  waiving of  the                                                                    
speedy trial rule.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:09:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  STINTSON,   DIRECTOR,  OFFICE  OF   PUBLIC  ADVOCACY,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT   OF    ADMINISTRATION,   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
remarked  that he  appreciated that  Mr. Haas  had addressed                                                                    
the  question  first.  He  explained  that  in  a  resource-                                                                    
constrained system, the key issue  was overall capacity: how                                                                    
many cases the system could  process, at what speed, and how                                                                    
many trials could  be handled. He indicated  that the answer                                                                    
depended   on  staffing   levels,   experience,  and   court                                                                    
capacity, including the number  of judges and courtrooms. He                                                                    
explained that many  cases had been waiting a  long time for                                                                    
a  trial  and  would  not resolve  without  a  trial,  which                                                                    
required  significant  time  and resources.  He  noted  that                                                                    
attorneys could not  talk to other clients  or resolve other                                                                    
cases  when they  were in  trial. He  added that  the entire                                                                    
system  was  feeling  the  strain and  he  had  been  having                                                                    
productive discussions  with Ms.  Bingham and  OMB regarding                                                                    
agency  challenges.   He  expressed  appreciation   for  the                                                                    
resources  provided by  the legislature  and the  governor's                                                                    
office and acknowledged the broader resource constraints.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard asked if she  could be provided with a                                                                    
breakdown of vacancies by department.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham  responded  that   the  information  was  being                                                                    
prepared. She reported  that a memo had  just been completed                                                                    
and was undergoing internal review  and would be transmitted                                                                    
to the committee soon.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard   asked  if  the   information  would                                                                    
include position titles, pay, and length of vacancy.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  replied that she  would provide as  much detail                                                                    
as possible.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:12:01 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:14:03 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: STATEWIDE  SALARY STUDY UPDATE BY  THE DEPARTMENT                                                                  
OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
AIMEE DEVARIS,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF  PERSONNEL, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF   ADMINISTRATION,   thanked   the   committee   for   the                                                                    
opportunity to provide a status  update on the salary study.                                                                    
She noted  she was just  shy of her  three-month anniversary                                                                    
in state  service and  asked for  patience as  she navigated                                                                    
procedures and  expectations. She introduced  the PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation "Department of  Administration Statewide Salary                                                                    
Study" February 2, 2026 (copy on file).                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris  continued to  slide  2  and relayed  that  the                                                                    
statewide salary study was  launched following a legislative                                                                    
appropriation in  FY 24 of  about $1 million.  She explained                                                                    
it was  a multiyear appropriation  to account for  the large                                                                    
scope of  the project.  She relayed  that the  primary goals                                                                    
were  to increase  applicant pools  for  state positions  by                                                                    
making  the  state  a  more  competitive  employer,  and  to                                                                    
identify potential  cost savings  for job classes  where the                                                                    
state was over market in its salary structure.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris reported that the  salary study was conducted by                                                                    
Segel, finalized in  January of 2025, and  released in April                                                                    
of 2025. She  conveyed that the study  provided insight into                                                                    
how the  state's base pay  compared with  market benchmarks.                                                                    
She highlighted  that the report identified  complexities in                                                                    
the   state's  current   classification   and  pay   system,                                                                    
particularly  challenges  created  by broad  pay  structures                                                                    
that grouped  diverse occupational roles under  a single pay                                                                    
plan. She  explained that the structure  limited the state's                                                                    
ability  to make  across-the-board changes.  She added  that                                                                    
Segel's     recommendations    focused     on    modernizing                                                                    
classification and pay plans in  a manner that was equitable                                                                    
and agile in response to changing workforce conditions.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris advanced  to  slide 3  and  explained that  DOA                                                                    
issued  a   request  for  information  (RFI)   to  move  the                                                                    
initiative forward. She reported that  the RFI was open from                                                                    
December  18,  2025, through  February  2,  2026, to  gather                                                                    
input from  qualified vendors regarding timelines  and costs                                                                    
associated  with  implementing  structural  changes  to  the                                                                    
state's classification and pay plans.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  if  the state  had  paid for  a                                                                    
study,  received information  from  the study,  and was  now                                                                    
requesting  another study  to explain  how to  implement the                                                                    
prior study.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris  responded that  DOA learned  a great  deal from                                                                    
the  salary study  and the  resulting report.  She explained                                                                    
that  because  the  department  was  considering  structural                                                                    
changes to  the state's  classification system,  which would                                                                    
be  a  complicated project,  it  issued  the RFI  to  obtain                                                                    
refined information  to help create plans,  scope costs, and                                                                    
identify potential implementation phases.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked when  the study was  expected to                                                                    
be completed and implemented.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris  clarified that as  the RFI closed  earlier that                                                                    
day,   the  department   would   receive  information   from                                                                    
qualified  vendors to  help create  a plan  or strategy  for                                                                    
moving  forward.  She emphasized  that  it  was not  another                                                                    
salary  study  but  rather information  needed  to  scope  a                                                                    
comprehensive project to revamp the classification system.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp acknowledged  the distinction and asked                                                                    
when  the process  would  be completed.  He  noted that  the                                                                    
study had taken  considerable time. He asked  if the process                                                                    
was planned to be completed  later in the current year, next                                                                    
year, or much later.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris replied  that it would take time  to establish a                                                                    
plan and anticipated  costs, and to coordinate  with OMB and                                                                    
the  governor's office  to determine  a timeline.  She noted                                                                    
that  nothing  had been  allocated  in  the proposed  FY  27                                                                    
budget and the  planning process would likely  take at least                                                                    
a year.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:20:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  how  many  iterations of  reports                                                                    
Segel  had provided  to the  department. He  asked how  many                                                                    
times  the  state  returned  to  Segal  and  requested  that                                                                    
adjustments be made to the report.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Devaris  responded   that   she  did   not  have   the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  whether Ms.  Devaris knew  if the                                                                    
state had ever asked Segel to change its report.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris responded that since  joining DOA in November of                                                                    
2025, she  had focused on  the existing salary  study report                                                                    
and had  drafted the  RFI early  in her  tenure to  move the                                                                    
process forward.  She reiterated that  she did not  know the                                                                    
requested historical information.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  whether the  report included  any                                                                    
analysis of geographic differentials.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris replied  that the report did  not. She explained                                                                    
that geographic  differentials were a  separate compensation                                                                    
element negotiated with the unions  and were not included in                                                                    
the salary study.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  if the  state  took the  position                                                                    
that  its communications  with  Segal  were proprietary.  He                                                                    
wondered  whether the  report had  been influenced  based on                                                                    
what was asked of Segal could be made public.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris  apologized and indicated  she did not  have the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:23:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  understood that  no changes  would be                                                                    
made for FY 27. She asked  if another update might be needed                                                                    
later in the year because the  data would no longer apply to                                                                    
FY 28. She asked whether the data would remain applicable.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris  responded that the request  for information was                                                                    
not  intended to  update  salary data  for  job classes  but                                                                    
rather to  inform how the  state might approach  an overhaul                                                                    
of  the pay  and classification  system. She  indicated that                                                                    
there  might be  some  refinement of  data  as changes  were                                                                    
pursued,  but  she  believed the  2025  salary  study  would                                                                    
remain useful.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked for more information  about the                                                                    
cost  of  the updates.  She  asked  if  there would  be  any                                                                    
additional cost beyond the initial $1 million.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris replied  that the  RFI was  only a  request for                                                                    
information and had no associated cost.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin asked  whether three-year-old  salary                                                                    
data would  be sufficiently  current for a  salary structure                                                                    
change that might not occur until FY 28.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris  responded  that  the   salary  study  and  the                                                                    
structural  review were  different efforts.  She noted  that                                                                    
the salary  study provided benchmark comparisons  to market,                                                                    
while future  structural work would focus  on classification                                                                    
changes. She  added that  the state  used more  current data                                                                    
when it implemented changes for  specific job families, such                                                                    
as for the IT class study.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:27:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  asked  for  clarification  about  Ms.                                                                    
Devaris'  background.  He  asked  if  she  was  new  to  the                                                                    
division or if she had been promoted internally.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris responded that she  was new to state service and                                                                    
had recently  retired from federal  service after  a 31-year                                                                    
career.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  noted   there  had  been  significant                                                                    
discussion  about  the  salary  study,  including  questions                                                                    
about  when  the  legislature would  see  results  and  what                                                                    
information had  been used.  He asked  whether there  was an                                                                    
overall strategy  for deploying  the study  and implementing                                                                    
the RFI,  and what expectations the  legislature should have                                                                    
moving forward.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris  responded  that the  salary  study  was  among                                                                    
several  high-priority  efforts  she  was  undertaking.  She                                                                    
indicated  there  would  be   a  collaborative  approach  to                                                                    
developing a strategy to pursue  the study's results, should                                                                    
the  state move  forward with  comprehensive changes  to the                                                                    
classification plan  and related pay scales.  She noted that                                                                    
the planning  would occur  in partnership  with OMB  and the                                                                    
governor's  office, would  be reviewed  by the  legislature,                                                                    
and  would  involve  the unions.  She  emphasized  that  the                                                                    
effort would be a comprehensive project.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum explained that  he wanted to understand                                                                    
whether the  division would develop  and present  an overall                                                                    
goal or strategy, or whether  the administration had already                                                                    
established goals  that the division  was being  directed to                                                                    
carry out.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris  responded that  she  would  take the  lead  in                                                                    
reviewing  the  RFI  results  and   developing  a  suite  of                                                                    
potential options for next steps.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan noted that  there had been significant                                                                    
tension and  expectation surrounding  the salary  study. She                                                                    
asked if  OMB had  calculated the  cost of  implementing the                                                                    
benchmark  jobs   at  both  the  fiftieth   and  sixty-fifth                                                                    
percentiles and  whether those figures could  be provided to                                                                    
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris responded  that she  did not  have the  numbers                                                                    
available and would follow up.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  remarked that  she found  it shocking                                                                    
that the commissioner was not  present for the meeting given                                                                    
the level of  legislative interest in the  salary study. She                                                                    
reiterated  her request  for the  information and  noted the                                                                    
committee  had  spent  a year  seeking  specificity  on  the                                                                    
study. She  emphasized that the  information would  not bind                                                                    
the  legislature  to  act,  but it  would  help  inform  its                                                                    
decision-making.  She hoped  that  the  calculations in  the                                                                    
study that  cost the state  $1 million would  illustrate the                                                                    
costs  of implementing  the study.  She  requested that  the                                                                    
commissioner bring the information to the committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:33:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson expressed  appreciation  to Ms.  Devaris                                                                    
for appearing  before the committee. There  had been concern                                                                    
about commissioners  not making themselves  available, which                                                                    
he had generally not found to  be the case until the current                                                                    
day.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard  commented  that  transitioning  from                                                                    
federal to  state service was  difficult. She  asked whether                                                                    
the  commissioner  was  currently  in  Juneau  and  why  the                                                                    
commissioner had not appeared.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Devaris  replied   that  she   did  not   believe  the                                                                    
commissioner  was  in  town  and   she  was  unsure  of  the                                                                    
commissioner's   travel  plans.   She  explained   that  the                                                                    
commissioner   had  asked   her  to   present  because   the                                                                    
department  had  interpreted  the  agenda item  as  a  brief                                                                    
update and  anticipated returning later for  a more detailed                                                                    
discussion after reviewing the RFI results.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard  remarked   that  commissioners  were                                                                    
generally present for similar meetings.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:35:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris continued  to slide 4. She  explained that while                                                                    
the broader  statewide salary study effort  was ongoing, the                                                                    
state  was implementing  the completed  IT job  class study.                                                                    
She  noted  that  the  IT   study  began  in  2020  and  its                                                                    
implementation  represented the  culmination of  a multiyear                                                                    
effort  to  modernize  state  IT  job  classifications.  She                                                                    
explained  that the  modernization was  intended to  support                                                                    
recruitment, retention,  and career progression  by aligning                                                                    
job architecture with current  workforce needs. She reported                                                                    
that the  first phase  rollout was  scheduled for  April 13,                                                                    
2026,  and that  the  modernization affected  more than  600                                                                    
positions across all 15 state agencies.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris added  that, in  addition to  the IT  job class                                                                    
modernization,   nine  job   class  studies   were  actively                                                                    
underway  at  the  request  of  state  agencies  to  address                                                                    
identified recruitment  and retention issues.  She explained                                                                    
that  Administrative  Order  (AO)   343  was  continuing  to                                                                    
advance  forward and  would  modernize  hiring practices  by                                                                    
redefining  minimum qualifications  for  more  than 350  job                                                                    
classes. The  modernization included  using competency-based                                                                    
standards   rather    than   relying   solely    on   degree                                                                    
requirements.   She   reported   that   10   agencies   were                                                                    
participating in the effort to strengthen recruitment.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked what  the difference was between                                                                    
the reference to 600 positions  in 15 agencies and the later                                                                    
reference to 10 participating agencies.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris explained the two  figures referred to different                                                                    
efforts.  There  were  over   600  IT  positions  across  15                                                                    
agencies that would  be impacted by the IT  job class study.                                                                    
She  noted  that  the  work   to  advance  AO  343  involved                                                                    
competency-based minimum qualifications  for jobs, which was                                                                    
broader and currently involved 10 agencies.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked  whether there was a  simple way to                                                                    
explain the  difference between the  IT job class  study and                                                                    
the nine  a la carte  studies.  He asked if one was complete                                                                    
while nine  were pending. He  wondered if the  other studies                                                                    
were  operating  on a  different  schedule  than the  larger                                                                    
Segel salary study that was awaiting implementation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris  replied  that   staff  in  the  classification                                                                    
program  routinely   received  requests  from   agencies  to                                                                    
conduct   job  class   studies,   typically   due  to   slow                                                                    
recruitment or  high turnover. She  explained that  the work                                                                    
was  part   of  the  ongoing  maintenance   of  the  state's                                                                    
classification  plan,  for  which   DOP  and  the  personnel                                                                    
director  were statutorily  responsible. Comparatively,  the                                                                    
Segel  statewide  salary  study  had been  conducted  on  an                                                                    
entirely different scale as a  benchmarking exercise to help                                                                    
the state understand  potential systemwide improvements. She                                                                    
emphasized  that the  efforts were  very different  in scope                                                                    
and purpose.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  whether  the IT  study should  be                                                                    
interpreted  as  reflecting that  there  was  an urgency  to                                                                    
recruit and retain IT employees.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris responded  that the  issue predated  her tenure                                                                    
but  she understood  that  the state's  IT  job classes  had                                                                    
become  significantly  outdated.  She  explained  that  some                                                                    
position  descriptions  no  longer reflected  current  work,                                                                    
which   had   made   recruitment   and   retention   of   IT                                                                    
professionals  difficult. She  noted that  the IT  study was                                                                    
much  larger  than  typical  classification  studies,  which                                                                    
usually  examined  five to  ten  positions,  whereas the  IT                                                                    
effort involved more than 600 positions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  understood  that  the  salary  study                                                                    
compared  similar   job  titles  across  markets,   while  a                                                                    
classification  study  evaluated  whether the  duties  being                                                                    
performed  matched the  assigned  job level.  She asked  Ms.                                                                    
Devaris  to identify  the  nine  job classification  studies                                                                    
currently  underway and  whether they  were concentrated  in                                                                    
particular occupational areas.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:42:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Devaris  replied   that  the   classification  studies                                                                    
included  park rangers,  positions  under  the Alaska  State                                                                    
Commission   for  Human   Rights  (ASCHR),   community  care                                                                    
licensing     specialists,     vocational     rehabilitation                                                                    
specialists,  public   assistance  field   service  workers,                                                                    
forest  and fire  management  positions, emergency  services                                                                    
dispatchers,   and  emergency   services  supervisors.   The                                                                    
studies   were   recently   updated  to   include   forensic                                                                    
scientists  and forensic  lab managers.  She noted  that the                                                                    
job   classes   were   highly   specific   across   multiple                                                                    
departments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage asked  whether  there was  any reason  the                                                                    
state  could   not  implement   the  salary   study  without                                                                    
conducting a classification study alongside it.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris  responded that  the scope  of the  salary study                                                                    
had been to provide data on  how base pay in Alaska compared                                                                    
to the  external market. She  clarified that the  report had                                                                    
never been  intended to  prescribe specific  pay adjustments                                                                    
for individual  job classes.  She noted  the study  had used                                                                    
benchmark jobs to inform where  the state generally stood in                                                                    
the  market.  She added  that  the  purpose of  issuing  the                                                                    
request  for   information  was  to  obtain   more  detailed                                                                    
implementation  planning   to  determine   appropriate  next                                                                    
steps.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  asked if  it had ever  been the  intent to                                                                    
implement  salary adjustments  based  solely  on the  salary                                                                    
study. He asked  whether it had always  been understood that                                                                    
classification work would also be necessary.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris  responded that  she  could  not speak  to  the                                                                    
original  intent because  it predated  her tenure.  Based on                                                                    
her  current  review  of  the   salary  study  results,  she                                                                    
believed  an  additional step  was  necessary  to develop  a                                                                    
strategy  or  plan for  how  the  state might  proceed  with                                                                    
changes to the classification plan.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage   remarked  that   the  presence   of  new                                                                    
directors   made   implementation  and   fact-finding   more                                                                    
challenging,  although he  appreciated their  willingness to                                                                    
serve. He expressed concern that  the legislature had funded                                                                    
a $1  million salary  study that  now appeared  dependent on                                                                    
further  classification  work that  could  take  at least  a                                                                    
year.  He commented  that vacancy  rates  remained high  and                                                                    
that  the  state  faced   a  "hollowed-out"  workforce  with                                                                    
uncompetitive  salaries  and  no  clear  cost  estimate  for                                                                    
fixing the  problem. He observed that  the timeline appeared                                                                    
likely to extend into the  next administration. He struggled                                                                    
with understanding how to address the workforce challenges.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:46:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris  replied that the  department was  not proposing                                                                    
another  salary study.  She emphasized  that the  department                                                                    
believed the  best path forward  was to  consider structural                                                                    
changes  to   the  classification  system  because   it  was                                                                    
extremely  complex.   She  explained  that   the  structural                                                                    
improvements would  make it  easier to  address compensation                                                                    
issues  in the  future. She  added that  the department  was                                                                    
still addressing  urgent issues  through targeted  job class                                                                    
studies  in areas  experiencing  recruitment problems,  high                                                                    
turnover,    or    misalignment     between    duties    and                                                                    
classifications.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp commented he  had always wondered about                                                                    
the meaning  of the phrase "Byzantine  bureaucracy" and felt                                                                    
the discussion  had illustrated it.  He noted the  issue had                                                                    
been  ongoing for  a long  time and  he did  not recall  any                                                                    
previous  indication that  a classification  study would  be                                                                    
required. He thought the situation  felt like being stuck in                                                                    
a  "bureaucratic malaise"  and he  was irritated  by it.  He                                                                    
asked if Ms.  Devaris had any suggestions for  how DOA might                                                                    
avoid a bureaucratic system that delayed desired results.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris responded that the  salary study had been one of                                                                    
the  key  topics  raised  during   her  interview  with  the                                                                    
department. She  explained that  she had  conducted research                                                                    
to  understand what  had been  occurring,  what the  state                                                                      
system looked like, and what  changes were being considered.                                                                    
She expressed  that she  was excited  about the  work ahead.                                                                    
She believed  improvements could be  made and she  was eager                                                                    
to review  the RFI  responses once the  solicitation closed.                                                                    
She added  that working on the  project had been one  of the                                                                    
reasons she accepted the position.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp remarked that  Ms. Devaris had made him                                                                    
feel better already.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin asked  what the  cost was  of the  IT                                                                    
classification study.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Bingham   responded   that   the   IT   classification                                                                    
implementation   totaled  approximately   $2  million.   She                                                                    
clarified  that   OMB  had  elected  to   implement  the  IT                                                                    
classification  changes across  all  agencies  and that  the                                                                    
department would  need to follow  up with OMB  regarding the                                                                    
total statewide cost.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin   remarked  that  she   believed  the                                                                    
statewide  figure was  higher, possibly  around $9  million.                                                                    
She  remained concerned  about high  vacancy  rates and  the                                                                    
state's ability  to deliver services.  She noted  that there                                                                    
were   recurring    challenges   with    administering   the                                                                    
Supplemental  Nutrition  Assistance  Program (SNAP)  due  to                                                                    
staffing  shortages. She  expressed frustration  with delays                                                                    
and   the   pace   of  implementation.   She   agreed   with                                                                    
Representative  Stapp's  comments   about  bureaucracy.  She                                                                    
questioned why  the RFI had  been issued in  November rather                                                                    
than June  so that  it could be  implemented in  the budget.                                                                    
She asserted that  the process needed to be  quicker and she                                                                    
encouraged  the department  to think  about the  timing. She                                                                    
commented that  she had  just read that  the IT  class study                                                                    
implementation was $7.66 million.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:53:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum asked for  clarification on the cost of                                                                    
the study.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin responded  that  the  cost was  $7.66                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bingham  agreed that the  implementation cost of  the IT                                                                    
classification study across all  agencies was $7.66 million.                                                                    
She explained  that DOA would  receive $2.2 million  of that                                                                    
total.  She  clarified  that  the  job  classification  work                                                                    
referenced by  Ms. Devaris was  not being conducted  to pick                                                                    
apart  or redo  the  salary study.  She  explained that  job                                                                    
class  studies  were  routine maintenance  performed  on  an                                                                    
ongoing   basis   when   specific   service   areas   showed                                                                    
recruitment  or retention  issues. She  noted that  the work                                                                    
had existed prior  to the statewide salary  study. She added                                                                    
that the  IT job class study  had been needed for  years and                                                                    
had been underway  well before the completion  of the salary                                                                    
study.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bingham  continued  that  the  statewide  salary  study                                                                    
provided a higher level comparison  of state pay relative to                                                                    
national markets, while job  class studies examined specific                                                                    
occupational areas  to allow DOP to  address recruitment and                                                                    
retention  issues in  targeted job  classes. She  emphasized                                                                    
that the two  efforts were separate bodies of  work and that                                                                    
the  job  class studies  were  part  of routine  maintenance                                                                    
rather than  work conducted in  conjunction with  the salary                                                                    
study.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  indicated  he had  misunderstood  and                                                                    
that the full implementation figure  now made more sense. He                                                                    
noted he  was new to  his position as  well and had  been in                                                                    
the position just  over a year. He  relayed that legislators                                                                    
consistently  heard that  statewide vacancies  were impeding                                                                    
the  state's ability  to execute  services for  Alaskans. He                                                                    
noted that  one of  the legislature's  core responsibilities                                                                    
was appropriating  funds so  the state  could carry  out its                                                                    
duties. He  was concerned that agencies  continued to report                                                                    
challenges  tied  to   staffing  shortages  and  competitive                                                                    
compensation, and he noted that  the statewide salary report                                                                    
had taken a long time for the legislature to receive.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  asked  whether  any  actions  in  the                                                                    
salary  study were  being executed  already  or whether  the                                                                    
state was still waiting.  He acknowledged the question might                                                                    
be  difficult  to  answer. He  was  frustrated  because  his                                                                    
constituents were not receiving  services they were supposed                                                                    
to receive  despite the legislature appropriating  funds for                                                                    
the  services.   He  asked  whether   the  study   had  been                                                                    
implemented   and    if   personnel   shortages    and   pay                                                                    
competitiveness were the primary barriers.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris  replied that  she was not  certain how  best to                                                                    
address the  question. She explained  that the  division was                                                                    
working to  develop a plan  to implement the results  of the                                                                    
salary  study  and  emphasized  that  the  effort  would  be                                                                    
complex  and  would take  time.  She  noted that  the  state                                                                    
continued to  use other mechanisms  to address  specific job                                                                    
classes with recruitment  or retention challenges, including                                                                    
competency-based  minimum  qualifications to  reduce  hiring                                                                    
barriers. She added that vacancies  could stem from multiple                                                                    
factors, including compensation, the  nature of the work, or                                                                    
recruitment  barriers. The  department  was approaching  the                                                                    
issue from several angles.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:59:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum   expressed  appreciation   for   the                                                                    
response and  acknowledged that Ms.  Devaris was new  to the                                                                    
role.  He conveyed  frustration that  agencies continued  to                                                                    
report  under-execution   due  to  staffing   shortages  and                                                                    
noncompetitive wages.  He remarked that auditors  had raised                                                                    
similar concerns  the previous  year and he  anticipated the                                                                    
committee might  hear similar comments again.  He emphasized                                                                    
that the legislature faced an  ongoing challenge in ensuring                                                                    
the state delivered services to Alaskans.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Devaris  continued to  slide 5  and summarized  the next                                                                    
steps. She explained  that DOP would assess  the RFI results                                                                    
once received  to determine the  viability of  a large-scale                                                                    
project  to  update  the state's  classification  plan.  She                                                                    
added that  the state  would continue  prioritizing targeted                                                                    
job  class studies  to address  immediate maintenance  needs                                                                    
within the current system  while evaluating broader updates,                                                                    
and  longer-term  implementation  plans would  be  developed                                                                    
based on the RFI findings.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  remarked  that  the  phrase  "immediate                                                                    
maintenance  needs" under  the  second bullet  on the  slide                                                                    
appeared to refer  to urgent areas such as  IT positions. He                                                                    
asked what would determine  whether large-scale updates were                                                                    
viable.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Devaris  explained  that   the  state  was  statutorily                                                                    
required  to maintain  internal  alignment  under the  State                                                                    
Personnel Act,  which established  that fair  and reasonable                                                                    
compensation would  be provided under the  principle of like                                                                    
pay for  like work. She  explained that when  the department                                                                    
referred  to prioritizing  immediate  maintenance needs  for                                                                    
the  current classification  plan,  it  meant responding  to                                                                    
agency  requests   for  job  class  studies   when  agencies                                                                    
believed  positions were  out  of  alignment. She  indicated                                                                    
that  the  division reviewed  the  requests  and moved  them                                                                    
forward. The statewide salary study  operated at an entirely                                                                    
different scale  and used a different  approach by examining                                                                    
the system as a whole. She  explained that the study was not                                                                    
necessarily   about  funding   but   about   the  scope   of                                                                    
potentially  updating the  entire  classification system  or                                                                    
large portions of it versus  continuing the current practice                                                                    
of   addressing   individual   job   classes   or   targeted                                                                    
occupational studies.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson remarked  that the  nine job  classes on                                                                    
slide  4  involved  forensic  scientists  and  forensic  lab                                                                    
technicians. He  understood that the salary  studies for the                                                                    
aforementioned  forensic   positions  had   reportedly  been                                                                    
completed   two  years   earlier  and   resulted  in   range                                                                    
increases.   He  acknowledged   that   there   might  be   a                                                                    
distinction between  a technician and a  scientist. He added                                                                    
that he had  been told that the nine job  class studies were                                                                    
previously published publicly, but  a login was now required                                                                    
to view the  information. He stated he did  not know whether                                                                    
the information  was accurate  but suggested  the department                                                                    
review the matter and remedy it if appropriate.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson acknowledged  that the  presentation had                                                                    
not  been  easy. There  was  concern  about inflation,  out-                                                                    
migration,   workforce   churn,  and   competitiveness.   He                                                                    
remarked that many believed the  state remained an excellent                                                                    
place to work  with strong staff, but  state employment used                                                                    
to be  even more  competitive. He  added that  many believed                                                                    
the defined benefit approach under  HB 78 would help address                                                                    
workforce challenges.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB  263  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  265  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  reviewed  the meeting  agenda  for  the                                                                    
following day.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:05:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:05 p.m.