Legislature(2025 - 2026)ADAMS 519

05/14/2025 09:00 AM House FINANCE

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09:14:40 AM Start
09:16:12 AM HB105
09:29:48 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Recessed to a Call of the Chair --
-- Please Note Time Change --
+= HB 105 PUBLIC SCHOOLS: MENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ SB 156 AK COMMERCIAL FISHING & AG BANK; LOANS TELECONFERENCED
<Pending Referral>
Scheduled but Not Heard
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       May 14, 2025                                                                                             
                         9:14 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:14:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 9:14 a.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Calvin Schrage, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jamie Allard                                                                                                     
Representative Jeremy Bynum                                                                                                     
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Nellie Unangiq Jimmie                                                                                            
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Kathleen Wedemeyer, Citizens Commission on Human Rights,                                                                        
Seattle; Ann Ringstad, Executive Director, National                                                                             
Alliance on Mental Illness, Anchorage.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 105    PUBLIC SCHOOLS: MENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          HB 105 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SB 156    AK COMMERCIAL FISHING & AG BANK; LOANS                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          SB 156 was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 105                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to mental health education."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:16:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin provided a brief  recap of HB 105. She                                                                    
explained that the bill represented  a significant effort to                                                                    
address  the  mental  health   challenges  facing  youth  in                                                                    
Alaska.  She  clarified  that  the bill  did  not  impose  a                                                                    
mandate on schools but instead  created a tool that balanced                                                                    
mental health  and physical health  in schools  by providing                                                                    
curriculum. She noted  that the bill established  a group of                                                                    
experts  who  understood  the  field   and  how  to  provide                                                                    
information  in age-appropriate  ways. She  stated that  the                                                                    
Alaska Board of Education  would be responsible for creating                                                                    
clear  guidelines  to  integrate mental  health  instruction                                                                    
effectively   into  classrooms.   She   added  that   school                                                                    
districts could choose  to use and modify  the guidelines to                                                                    
fit the particular district.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:17:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster OPENED public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:18:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHLEEN  WEDEMEYER, CITIZENS  COMMISSION  ON HUMAN  RIGHTS,                                                                    
SEATTLE  (via teleconference),  testified  in opposition  to                                                                    
the bill.  She explained  that she represented  the Citizens                                                                    
Commission on  Human Rights, which  was a mental  health and                                                                    
psychiatric "watchdog" group. She  asserted that the current                                                                    
mental health  system was  based on  a biomedical  model and                                                                    
lacked  the validity  of any  objective laboratory  test for                                                                    
diagnosis. She asserted that the  biomedical model of mental                                                                    
health was based on the  concept that conditions were caused                                                                    
by neurobiological  factors. She  suggested that  care often                                                                    
focused  on  diagnosis,  medication, and  symptom  reduction                                                                    
rather  than  considering  the  full  range  of  social  and                                                                    
environmental factors that could affect mental health.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wedemeyer  continued that  the commission's  concern was                                                                    
that  there  would  be  a narrow  focus  on  psychiatric  or                                                                    
clinical data. She emphasized  that many factors contributed                                                                    
to   mental  health.   Many  medical   conditions  such   as                                                                    
autoimmune  disorders or  diabetes were  first diagnosed  as                                                                    
psychiatric or mental health conditions.  She warned that if                                                                    
such conditions  were not treated correctly,  the conditions                                                                    
could become  serious. She urged  the committee  to consider                                                                    
the  addition of  a  health care  provider  to the  advisory                                                                    
board,  such as  a naturopath  or a  medical doctor  who had                                                                    
experience  in  treating   mental  health  without  focusing                                                                    
solely  on  psychiatric  drugs.  She  recommended  adding  a                                                                    
requirement  that the  training  needed  to include  medical                                                                    
data to identify known medical  and nutritional factors that                                                                    
could cause  the type of distress  that mimicked psychiatric                                                                    
disorders.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  relayed to the  committee that there  was a                                                                    
conflicting meeting  at 9:30 a.m.  and floor session  was at                                                                    
10:00  a.m., so  the committee  would be  recessing at  9:30                                                                    
a.m.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard asked  for clarification  on who  had                                                                    
testified and what organization she represented.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  replied that it was  Ms. Kathleen Wedemeyer                                                                    
calling in from  the Citizens Commission on  Human Rights in                                                                    
Seattle.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:20:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  remarked that  he was  not well-versed                                                                    
in  the technical  terminology and  asked  Ms. Wedemeyer  to                                                                    
clarify   the   material   difference   between   biomedical                                                                    
conditions and other conditions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wedemeyer responded that she  would do her best to reply                                                                    
to  the question,  but she  would  be happy  to provide  the                                                                    
committee with  more detailed informational  materials after                                                                    
the  meeting.  She explained  that  there  was a  school  of                                                                    
thought  that  believed  that  psychiatric  conditions  were                                                                    
caused  by  a  chemical  imbalance in  the  brain  and  that                                                                    
psychotropic  drugs were  one of  the ways  to address  that                                                                    
imbalance.  However,  she  noted   that  there  were  recent                                                                    
studies and  data that invalidated  the theory.  She relayed                                                                    
that  recent studies  looked  into  other real-life  factors                                                                    
that could  alleviate mental  health conditions.  She stated                                                                    
that  there were  studies that  showed  that exercise  could                                                                    
alleviate depression symptoms by as  much as 30 percent. She                                                                    
noted that  exercise was  frequently recommended  as initial                                                                    
treatment for mental health issues.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wedemeyer reiterated  that her  concern was  that there                                                                    
would  be  a  potential  focus on  psychiatric  or  clinical                                                                    
perspectives. She  emphasized the need for  consideration of                                                                    
other  points   of  view  and  physical   health  data.  She                                                                    
cautioned that  many conditions  had symptoms  that mimicked                                                                    
psychiatric  conditions, and  if  those  were not  diagnosed                                                                    
correctly and were instead  treated with psychotropic drugs,                                                                    
the  patient's  situation  could  worsen.  She  argued  that                                                                    
mental  health  education   should  include  information  to                                                                    
ensure  that  individuals  and parents  were  aware  of  all                                                                    
possibilities.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  remarked  that   the  bill  did  not                                                                    
address  matters related  to diagnoses.  She suggested  that                                                                    
Ms. Ann Ringstad clarify the situation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:24:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANN  RINGSTAD,  EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR,  NATIONAL  ALLIANCE  ON                                                                    
MENTAL ILLNESS, ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference), stated that                                                                    
the  bill only  established guidelines,  which many  schools                                                                    
across Alaska  had requested.  She noted  that in  2021, the                                                                    
state conducted  a study that  captured information  from 33                                                                    
school  districts  regarding  guidelines  in  place  at  the                                                                    
respective  districts.  She  explained that  every  district                                                                    
reported   having  some   guidelines,   but  the   districts                                                                    
requested more resources and  additional guidance to address                                                                    
specific  challenges.  She   emphasized  that  the  National                                                                    
Alliance  on Mental  Illness (NAMI)  was not  advocating for                                                                    
any specific  curriculum, therapy, medication,  or diagnosis                                                                    
by school staff.  She stressed that the bill  sought only to                                                                    
provide guidelines  so that schools could  understand how to                                                                    
support students and families.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp stated  that  his apprehensions  about                                                                    
the bill  stemmed from concerns regarding  long-term effects                                                                    
of  mental  health  diagnoses  in   childhood  and  how  the                                                                    
diagnoses could  impact adulthood.  He relayed that  when he                                                                    
joined the  U.S. Army, he  had a  note in his  school record                                                                    
from the  fourth grade  indicating that  he had  ADHD, which                                                                    
required   him  to   undergo   a  three-hour   psychological                                                                    
evaluation  to determine  if  he was  eligible  to join  the                                                                    
military. He shared that there  was an incident in Fairbanks                                                                    
involving a  young boy,  Cody Ayer, who  wanted to  join the                                                                    
military  and  was  similarly  affected   by  a  prior  ADHD                                                                    
diagnosis. He shared that the  boy's life ended in tragedy a                                                                    
few  years  prior.  He  asked how  the  bill  would  balance                                                                    
providing access to mental  health resources with preventing                                                                    
adverse impacts on students' futures.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Ringstad  responded  that  the  bill  only  established                                                                    
guidelines.  She  explained  that supporting  mental  health                                                                    
required a  collaborative approach involving  the community,                                                                    
families,  teachers, staff,  administrators, and  counselors                                                                    
to recognize  potential concerns in individual  students and                                                                    
worked collectively  to provide support. She  noted that the                                                                    
guidelines   could   potentially   address   record-keeping,                                                                    
although  she   did  not  know  the   legal  specifics.  She                                                                    
emphasized that  the bill  aimed to  guide staff  and school                                                                    
districts  in  addressing  mental  health  thoughtfully  and                                                                    
respectfully while also involving families.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Foster  recognized   Representative  Allard   and                                                                    
Representative  Galvin   for  questions  and   reminded  the                                                                    
committee that the meeting would recess at 9:30 a.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard   stated  that  her   question  might                                                                    
require more time  and she was willing to  withhold it until                                                                    
after the committee returned.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster stated  that the  meeting was  recessing in                                                                    
case any  open time  became available  for the  committee to                                                                    
reconvene. He noted  that he did not  anticipate there being                                                                    
any time for the committee  to reconvene. In all likelihood,                                                                    
the meeting  would time out  and the committee  would return                                                                    
as scheduled  at the 1:30  p.m. meeting. He would  return to                                                                    
Representative  Allard's   question  during   the  afternoon                                                                    
meeting. He  noted that there  were other  testifiers online                                                                    
and he would keep public testimony open.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:29:43 AM                                                                                                                    
RECESSED                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[Note: the meeting never reconvened.]                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB  105  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:29:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 9:29 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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