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04/24/2025 10:00 AM House FINANCE

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10:08:50 AM Start
10:10:49 AM HB23
10:14:26 AM Consideration of Governor's Appointees: Samuel Laffey, State Assessment Review Board
10:17:36 AM HB30
11:22:51 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Please Note Time Change --
+= HB 23 APPLICABILITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 23(L&C) Out of Committee
+ Consideration of Governor’s Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
-State Assessment Review Board: Samuel Laffey
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 30 OFFICE OF ENTREPRENEURSHIP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
                   HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                       April 24, 2025                                                                                           
                         10:08 a.m.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:08:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  called the House Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 10:08 a.m.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Calvin Schrage, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jeremy Bynum                                                                                                     
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Nellie Unangiq Jimmie                                                                                            
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jamie Allard                                                                                                     
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Andy  Josephson, Sponsor;  Corbin  Morrison,                                                                    
Staff,  Representative Ky  Holland Staff;  Representative Ky                                                                    
Holland,  Sponsor;  Hannah  Lager,  Administrative  Services                                                                    
Director,  Department of  Commerce,  Community and  Economic                                                                    
Development;  Brodie  Anderson, Staff,  Representative  Neal                                                                    
Foster.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Samuel  Laffey,   Governor's  Appointee,   State  Assessment                                                                    
Review Board; Jared Reynolds,  Director, Center for Economic                                                                    
Development,  University of  Alaska,  Anchorage; Tom  Mayer,                                                                    
Chief Procurement Officer, Department of Administration.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 23     APPLICABILITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION                                                                              
          CSHB 23(L&C)  was REPORTED  out of  committee with                                                                    
          six   "do  pass"   recommendations  and   one  "no                                                                    
          recommendation"  and with  one  new fiscal  impact                                                                    
          note from the Office of the Governor.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HB 30     OFFICE OF ENTREPRENEURSHIP                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          HB 30 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CONSIDERATION  OF  GOVERNOR'S   APPOINTEES:  SAMUEL  LAFFEY,                                                                    
STATE ASSESSMENT REVIEW BOARD                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 23                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the definition of 'employer' for                                                                       
     the purposes of the State Commission for Human                                                                             
     Rights."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:10:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster noted that the  bill had been heard twice in                                                                    
prior  meetings [March  27,  2025, and  April  9, 2025].  He                                                                    
asked the bill sponsor to address the committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDY JOSEPHSON,  SPONSOR,  provided a  brief                                                                    
recap of  the legislation.  He reported  that the  bill made                                                                    
four changes: renaming  the commission  to the  Alaska State                                                                  
Commission  for Civil  Rights, requiring  that commissioners                                                                    
may only  be removed for  just cause, and changing  the date                                                                    
and  method of  delivery (electronic)  for the  commission's                                                                    
annual report to  prior to the start  of legislative session                                                                    
and  granted  the  commission's jurisdiction  to  extend  to                                                                    
employees  of  Alaska's  many  nonprofit  organizations.  He                                                                    
considered the final change the  most important provision in                                                                    
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:12:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked   for  confirmation  that  the                                                                    
commission's name  was changed in the  legislation. Co-Chair                                                                    
Josephson answered in the affirmative  and restated the name                                                                    
as the Alaska Commission for Civil Rights.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage  MOVED  to  REPORT  CSHB  23(L&C)  out  of                                                                    
committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal note.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There being NO  OBJECTION, CSHB 23(L&C) was  REPORTED out of                                                                    
committee  with six  "do pass"  recommendations and  one "no                                                                    
recommendation"  and with  one new  fiscal impact  note from                                                                    
the Office of the Governor.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster noted that Mr.  Laffey was trying to call in                                                                    
from Kenya.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^CONSIDERATION  OF  GOVERNOR'S  APPOINTEES:  SAMUEL  LAFFEY,                                                                  
STATE ASSESSMENT REVIEW BOARD                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:14:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  asked Mr. Laffey  to introduce  himself and                                                                    
provide details on why he is up for the job.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAMUEL  LAFFEY,   GOVERNOR'S  APPOINTEE,   STATE  ASSESSMENT                                                                    
REVIEW BOARD (via  teleconference), introduced himself. [The                                                                    
phone connection was lost.]                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:15:24 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:15:54 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster moved to the next item on the agenda.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 30                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act establishing  the office  of entrepreneurship;                                                                    
     relating to  new businesses in  the state;  relating to                                                                    
     reports  concerning   procurements  by   agencies;  and                                                                    
     relating  to  initial  business license  fees  for  new                                                                    
     businesses in the state."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:17:36 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:19:11 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CORBIN  MORRISON, STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE  KY HOLLAND  STAFF,                                                                    
reviewed  the   sectional  analysis  (copy  on   file)  with                                                                    
prepared remarks:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     House    Bill    30    establishes   the    O.notdefice of                                                                 
     Entrepreneurship (OOE), a new  statewide effort to grow                                                                    
     Alaska's  startup  ecosystem  and drive  innovation  in                                                                    
     emerging industries.  This is  about creating  the jobs                                                                    
     of the futureright here, for Alaskans.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     By investing in  entrepreneurs and streamlining support                                                                    
     for  new businesses,  HB 30  helps remove  the barriers                                                                    
     that hold  back our  homegrown talent. It  ensures that                                                                    
     our state's resources are directed  where they can have                                                                    
     the greatest impactsupporting   those who are building,                                                                    
     inventing,   and    taking   risks   to    create   new                                                                    
     opportunities across Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     This office will  also bring much-needed accountability                                                                    
     by  producing  an  annual  report  on  how  legislation                                                                    
     affects small  businesses. And  importantly, it  sets a                                                                    
     baseline investment directing 5  percent of the state's                                                                    
     economic  development   budget  toward   programs  that                                                                    
     support startups and entrepreneurs.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     With HB 30,  we are saying clearly: Alaska  is open for                                                                    
     business,  and  Alaskans  shouldn't have  to  leave  to                                                                    
     pursue  opportunity.  Whether  it's  technology,  clean                                                                    
     energy,  manufacturing, or  other high-growth  sectors,                                                                    
     this  bill  helps  ensure  that  innovation  startsand                                                                     
     staysright here in our state.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KY  HOLLAND, SPONSOR, explained the  bill. He                                                                    
relayed that the bill was  crafted after a national approach                                                                    
to  increasing  economic  development  and  opportunity  for                                                                    
those wanting to start a  new business, create jobs, etc. He                                                                    
delineated  that   100  percent   of  new  jobs   came  from                                                                    
entrepreneurs and new businesses  and in Alaska, contributed                                                                    
to  89 percent  of new  job growth.  He emphasized  that new                                                                    
businesses created continued growth in the Alaskan economy.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster noted  that Representative  Tomaszewski had                                                                    
joined the meeting.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland provided  a PowerPoint  presentation                                                                    
titled "House Bill 30: Office  of Entrepreneurship" (copy on                                                                    
file).  He began  on  slide 2  titled  "Economic outlook  in                                                                    
Alaska                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Slow economic growth                                                                                                       
     Job loss in key industries                                                                                                 
     Talent and family outmigration                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     We cannot rely on our legacy sectors to create the                                                                         
     jobs of the future.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holland shared that  one of the approaches to                                                                    
entrepreneurship   was   examining   economic   growth   and                                                                    
opportunities   in   the   future.  He   had   worked   with                                                                    
entrepreneurs in  Alaska for the  prior 10 years  and helped                                                                    
start  80 businesses.  He was  motivated  by the  relatively                                                                    
stagnant economic status of the  state, out migration, and a                                                                    
desire  to  help  young  people   remain  in  the  state  by                                                                    
providing  opportunities.  He  turned   to  slide  3  titled                                                                    
 Alaska Needs  To Diversify  And Support  Emerging Sectors                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Future  growth will  come from  value-added support  of                                                                    
     existing  economic engines  and investment  in emerging                                                                    
     sectors and jobs.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Diversification and  technology growth aligns  with our                                                                    
     CEDS, state  and national economic  development trends,                                                                    
     and history.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He proceeded to  Slide 4 titled "What Is  An Emerging Sector                                                                    
and Why They Matter For Alaska                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Small or nascent industries  with high growth potential                                                                    
     based on Alaska's  competitive advantages. They include                                                                    
     mariculture,   aerospace,    energy   technology,   and                                                                    
     agriculture.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     New and  young businesses create virtually  all net job                                                                    
     growth  in  America Research  shows  that  for every  1                                                                    
     percent  increase in  the  U.S. entrepreneurship  rate,                                                                    
     the poverty rate decreases by 2 percent.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          New businesses                                                                                                        
          • grow local GDP                                                                                                      
          • increase community wealth                                                                                           
          • create homegrown jobs                                                                                               
          • diversify goods and services                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holland elaborated that HB  30 was based on a                                                                    
movement  called  "The  Right  to  Start"  operating  in  30                                                                    
states. The  movement offered  a legislative  framework that                                                                    
recognized  entrepreneurship and  creating capacity  through                                                                    
private market forces, and the  state's role in the process.                                                                    
In  general, economic  innovation often  originated in  four                                                                    
areas   of  focus:   the   university,  industry   clusters,                                                                    
community  initiatives, or  state involvement.  He indicated                                                                    
that  Alaska  was "struggling"  in  all  four areas  of  new                                                                    
innovation. He hoped that through  the bill, the state would                                                                    
become a catalyst for the three other sectors.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:25:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland moved  to slide  5 titled  "Alaska's                                                                    
Comprehensive Economic Development Strategy (CEDS)                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Developed between January and July of 2022, the CEDS                                                                       
     is a five-year economic development plan for Alaska,                                                                       
     active from 2022-2027.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          .notdef The CEDS outlines several goals for a resilient                                                               
            and growing Alaska economy, including                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      .notdef Accelerating growth in emerging sectors                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          .notdef support for entrepreneurial ecosystem                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland indicated  that in  addition to  the                                                                    
emerging sectors,  support CEDS included 6  pillars with one                                                                    
being   economic   development    through   innovation   and                                                                    
entrepreneurship  in   the  state's  emerging   sectors.  He                                                                    
concluded that  state policy supported  entrepreneurship and                                                                    
through  that support  emerging sectors.  The bill  provided                                                                    
the  framework  for  the  stated  policy  to  diversify  and                                                                    
support future job growth.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  noted that the governor's  appointee called                                                                    
in from Kenya. He asked to hear from Mr. Laffey.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB  30  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.   [the hearing  continued during  the current                                                                    
meeting   following   consideration    of   the   governor's                                                                    
appointee.]                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:26:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Foster  asked   to   hear   about  Mr.   Laffey's                                                                    
qualifications for the State Assessment Review Board.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Laffey  relayed that he  was a licensed  Alaska attorney                                                                    
and worked for the Office  of Public Advocacy (OPA) where he                                                                    
represented  indigent  Alaskans.  He believed  that  he  was                                                                    
qualified to serve  on the board and was  very interested in                                                                    
serving.  He  discussed  his  qualifications.  He  was  very                                                                    
passionate  about oil  and gas  development and  finance. He                                                                    
received a  Master of Business Administration  (MBA) degree.                                                                    
His  emphasis in  law school  was on  property law.  He felt                                                                    
that  he  would be  an  asset  to  the  board based  on  the                                                                    
description of  the board's  duties and  having interactions                                                                    
with  its  current  membership.  He  noted  that  there  was                                                                    
currently  not an  attorney on  the  board and  much of  the                                                                    
board's  work   evaluated  "factual  matters"  as   well  as                                                                    
interpreting state precedent and  made decisions on relative                                                                    
state statutes and case law that  applied to the work of the                                                                    
board. He believed that his  background and skill sets would                                                                    
be an asset to the board.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster assumed he did  not live in Kenya. He merely                                                                    
wanted  to ensure  Mr. Laffey  was an  Alaska resident.  Mr.                                                                    
Laffey replied that he lived  in Anchorage, he was currently                                                                    
visiting relatives  in Kenya. He  shared that  several years                                                                    
ago he met his wife in Anchorage who was from Kenya.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:30:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  stated that the House  Finance Committee                                                                    
had   reviewed  the   qualifications  of   Mr.  Laffey   and                                                                    
recommended moving the individual's name forward.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Laffey thanked  the committee for its  patience and time                                                                    
for consideration.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:31:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster returned to HB 30.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 30                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act establishing the office of entrepreneurship;                                                                       
     relating to new businesses in the state; relating to                                                                       
     reports  concerning   procurements  by   agencies;  and                                                                    
     relating  to  initial  business license  fees  for  new                                                                    
     businesses in the state."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:32:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holland  advanced to  slide 6 titled  "HB 30:                                                                    
Support   For   Entrepreneurial   Ecosystem   And   Emerging                                                                    
Sectors                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Creates  Office of  Entrepreneurship  in Department  of                                                                    
     Commerce, Community and Economic Development (DCCED).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Duties of the Office of Entrepreneurship                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Promote entrepreneurship                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Assist new business as  they navigate interactions with                                                                    
     the state of Alaska                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Coordinate  and  streamline  service delivery  for  new                                                                    
     businesses                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Annually   review  policy   changes  that   impact  new                                                                    
     businesses  Directs  state   agency  money  to  support                                                                    
    programs or organizations that help new businesses.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland  relayed  that DCCED  had  the  same                                                                    
functions in  prior years but  did not  specifically develop                                                                    
an  Office  of    Entrepreneurship. He  explained  that  the                                                                    
department had a  $2 million per year budget  in prior years                                                                    
for    economic   development    through   innovation    and                                                                    
entrepreneurship. He  had prior experience working  with the                                                                    
department and  staff at  the time.  He emphasized  that the                                                                    
office was not  meant to replace any  existing programs that                                                                    
he    listed.   The    proposed    office   would    promote                                                                    
entrepreneurship and assess businesses  and would be focused                                                                    
on  navigating   different  functions  of  the   state  like                                                                    
licensing, setting  up a corporation, and  explaining how to                                                                    
coordinate  and streamline  other  state  services and  next                                                                    
steps.  He focused  on the  fourth point  on the  slide that                                                                    
assessed  whether the  state was  creating  new pathways  to                                                                    
help  new businesses  start up.  He continued  to the  final                                                                    
focus of the bill that was  to ask the state to specifically                                                                    
examine  how  they  could  direct some  of  its  funding  to                                                                    
support   programs   or   organizations  that   helped   new                                                                    
businesses. The five  percent carve out was  meant to create                                                                    
the environment and support new businesses.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:35:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland  discussed   slide  7  titled  "What                                                                    
changed from v. LS0230/G to H                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The Committee Substitute for House Labor & Commerce                                                                        
     yielded these changes:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        1. The Office of Entrepreneurship is now required to                                                                  
          actively seek and use volunteers to assist in the                                                                     
          performance of their duties.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        2. Enables the department to determine whether                                                                        
          office facilities are necessary to perform                                                                            
          duties.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        3.Office of Entrepreneurship enabling statutes                                                                          
        sunset December 2030.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holland calculated that  over 50,000 hours of                                                                    
volunteer  work was  done  in  the area  over  10 years.  He                                                                    
observed  that  there  was  an  energetic  group  of  people                                                                    
involved in  working with startups.  The role of  the office                                                                    
would be to  lift up and support the  volunteer advocacy. He                                                                    
pointed to  the third change  and noted that there  had been                                                                    
some  concerns regarding  the original  sunset in  the bill.                                                                    
The  sunset was  shortened to  a period  of three  years. He                                                                    
noted his strong  support for the sunset date  and wanted to                                                                    
accomplish  good work  and show  that it  was valuable  in a                                                                    
shorter time frame.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:36:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland  discussed  slide 8  titled  "Fiscal                                                                    
Notes for HB 30                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        1. Department of Commerce, Community and Economic                                                                     
          Development                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          $661.7 first-year appropriation requested                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          $616.7 out-year cost estimates                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          This cost represents three new positions to                                                                           
          perform the functions of the office                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        2. Department of Administration                                                                                       
        $500 only in first year only                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        This is the cost to conduct a disparity study to                                                                        
        determine     whether     new     businesses     are                                                                    
        underrepresented in statewide contracts                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  asked about the  disparity study                                                                    
and what  it would  entail. Representative  Holland answered                                                                    
that the study  asked the question as to  what extent Alaska                                                                    
was spending  money to  support new  businesses less  than 5                                                                    
years  old in  accessing state  contracts and  opportunities                                                                    
for  products  and  services  versus  the  amount  spent  on                                                                    
established services. He  felt that the amount  was too high                                                                    
and  would  like  to see  a  simpler  study.  Representative                                                                    
Tomaszewski asked  if there would  be anything in  the study                                                                    
addressing  how  the state  of  Alaska  was  in the  way  or                                                                    
hindering   entrepreneurship   progress    in   areas   like                                                                    
regulations.   Representative   Holland  answered   in   the                                                                    
negative and  offered that  the intent of  the study  was to                                                                    
provide  a snapshot  of  startups access  to  the state.  He                                                                    
pointed to slide 6 and  read "Annually review policy changes                                                                    
that impact  new businesses   He  explained that it  was the                                                                    
area where  the state could  evaluate what it was  doing for                                                                    
startups or  where it  was hindering  entrepreneurship, that                                                                    
would happen on an annual basis.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:40:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland  advanced  to slide  9  titled  "The                                                                    
Startup Process (and where OoE will help)":                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Ecosystem Building  Ideation                                                                                               
     Business Modelling - Business Strategy                                                                                     
     Business Planning - Startup Financing                                                                                      
     Execution - Business Exits                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland discussed  the startup  process from                                                                    
the idea to  a viable business. He reiterated  that about 89                                                                    
percent of  Alaska's new job  growth came from  startups. He                                                                    
communicated that  much work went  on prior to  the business                                                                    
opening  and  he  stressed  that   most  startups  were  not                                                                    
bankable  businesses. Businesses  that could  obtain a  bank                                                                    
loan  already had  revenue in  operation for  some time.  He                                                                    
noted that  much work  went into the  business prior  to its                                                                    
execution  through  programs  that helped  the  entrepreneur                                                                    
explore  ideas  and  learn  how to  create  a  business.  He                                                                    
reported that  much of the work  of OOE would happen  at the                                                                    
front  end  of  a  business' establishment  and  would  help                                                                    
create  business opportunities  in the  emerging sector.  He                                                                    
addressed    slide    10    titled   "Alaska:    State    of                                                                    
Entrepreneurship"  by The  University of  Alaska Center  for                                                                    
Economic Development (2018)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     "Over the last decade,  startups in Alaska consistently                                                                    
     added 4,000  to 6,000  jobs to  the economy  each year.                                                                    
     Firms  that are  aged five  years or  younger accounted                                                                    
     for  89%  of  Alaska's  net employment  growth  in  the                                                                    
     private sector."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  asked  about  Representative  Holland's                                                                    
professional background and what led  to his interest in the                                                                    
topic.  Representative Holland  answered  that  he spent  40                                                                    
years involved in  a wide variety of activities  in the area                                                                    
and  to  help people  "create  the  future they  wanted  for                                                                    
themselves."  He   helped  create   community  associations,                                                                    
housing   development,  non-profit   corporations,  industry                                                                    
associations, etc.  He shared that  10 years prior,  he sold                                                                    
his x-ray  manufacturing business  in Anchorage  he operated                                                                    
due  to his  background  as a  mechanical  engineer. He  had                                                                    
accidentally fallen into  teaching an entrepreneurship class                                                                    
at Alaska  Pacific University that supported  his background                                                                    
in helping people  create their desired future.  He used his                                                                    
background in business  and his love of  working with people                                                                    
and community and found an  intersection for himself. He had                                                                    
been volunteering  his time over  the past 10 years  in this                                                                    
"eco   system."   He   committed  to   working   in   Alaska                                                                    
intersecting  his  business  background  and  background  in                                                                    
working with people.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:45:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  was wondering  why the first  part of                                                                    
the bill used the measure  of procurement with state offices                                                                    
as the measure of success for  the office. She did not think                                                                    
that many  of the  emerging sectors had  the goal  to obtain                                                                    
procurement contracts  with the state, yet  the bill focused                                                                    
heavily on that  metric. She deduced that it  would apply to                                                                    
only  a specific  set of  entrepreneurs. She  asked why  the                                                                    
bill  focused  almost  half  the   bill  on  the  metric  of                                                                    
procurement with the  state as a measure of  success for the                                                                    
program. Representative Holland answered  that the amount of                                                                    
language devoted  to the  topic in the  bill did  place more                                                                    
emphasis on  that than  he hoped the  impact of  the program                                                                    
would  be.  However, he  did  believe  it was  an  important                                                                    
provision. He returned to slide  6 and pointed to the duties                                                                    
of the  OOE and  read: "Promote entrepreneurship  and assist                                                                    
new business  as they navigate  interactions with  the state                                                                    
of Alaska?."  He  believed that it represented entrepreneurs                                                                    
of  many various  types. He  acknowledged that  part of  the                                                                    
bill  was dedicated  to  identifying  opportunities to  work                                                                    
with  the  state.  He  furthered that  the  office  was  not                                                                    
intended to  replace the  rest of  community entrepreneurial                                                                    
activities  through various  established programs.  However,                                                                    
it was intended  to open a door to  the significant spending                                                                    
by   the   state.   He   indicated    that   one   area   of                                                                    
entrepreneurship  was   identifying  a   "steppingstone"  to                                                                    
initial   pilot  programs   or  existing   state  work.   He                                                                    
exemplified  Launch Alaska  that  was  focused on  providing                                                                    
pilot   programs  for   energy   startups  with   electrical                                                                    
utilities  and power  users. He  mentioned  Health Tie  that                                                                    
helped  identify business  opportunities  in the  healthcare                                                                    
industry. He  felt the OOE would  open a door to  the public                                                                    
sector  and help  entrepreneurs find  business opportunities                                                                    
with the  state. He listed  a few examples like  helping the                                                                    
Department  of Transportation  and  Public Facilities  (DOT)                                                                    
with ice sensors,  or in the area of  housing, etc. However,                                                                    
it was  not intended to  be the  sole purview of  the office                                                                    
that would assist all emerging sectors.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:50:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan remarked  that  the  sponsor was  not                                                                    
responsible for the fiscal notes.  She noted that the fiscal                                                                    
note from  the Department  of Administration (DOA)  was $500                                                                    
thousand and the cost to  develop the OOE was $661 thousand.                                                                    
She wanted  to know what  businesses were helped  and became                                                                    
successful  overall and  not  who got  a  contract with  the                                                                    
state as  a measure  of a  successful business.  She thought                                                                    
that  most creative  entrepreneurs wanted  to find  a niche,                                                                    
and it  might not be  via a state procurement  contract. She                                                                    
relayed  that the  piece of  the bill  derailed her  because                                                                    
most entrepreneurs  likely did  not set out  to get  a state                                                                    
contract. Representative Holland  agreed with Representative                                                                    
Hannan's concerns.  He noted  that the  fiscal note  for the                                                                    
report  was a  one-time  expense and  was  estimated by  the                                                                    
department.  He would  like  to work  on  tightening up  the                                                                    
report and  believed that  it was  a significant  amount. On                                                                    
the other  hand he thought  it would be important  to figure                                                                    
out how  to create  an opportunity  for more  Alaskan wealth                                                                    
via Alaskan businesses. He reiterated  that he would like to                                                                    
see the number reduced.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:53:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Jimmie  asked  where  the  office  would  be                                                                    
located and  how the OOE  would help entrepreneurs  in rural                                                                    
areas like  in her district. Representative  Holland replied                                                                    
that he did  not specify where the office  would be located,                                                                    
it would be up to DCCED.  He elucidated that in terms of the                                                                    
benefits  to rural  communities; he  hoped the  office would                                                                    
serve  as a  statewide  door to  economic opportunities.  He                                                                    
thought the office being housed within DCCED was a good fit                                                                     
due  to   the  Alaska  Regional   Development  Organizations                                                                    
(ARDORs)  program   under  the  department's   umbrella.  He                                                                    
pointed  out that  the regional  ARDORs had  their own  CEDS                                                                    
documents,  and he  assumed there  was a  CEDS document  for                                                                    
Representative Jimmie's  region. He  discerned that  much of                                                                    
the spending  done through  the state was  one of  the major                                                                    
economic  drivers  like   through  Alaska  Energy  Authority                                                                    
(AEA),  housing  or  medical   assistance  that  was  spread                                                                    
through  the  state and  particularly  in  rural areas.  The                                                                    
office  would determine  how  it was  using  state money  in                                                                    
every part of the state, and  he hoped it opened up the door                                                                    
across  the  state in  rural  areas  to help  support  local                                                                    
businesses.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:55:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jimmie noted that the  bill's data was from a                                                                    
2018 report.  She asked  if there  was a  post-Covid updated                                                                    
report.  Representative  Holland  answered that  an  invited                                                                    
testifier  could  elaborate  on the  topic.  He  highlighted                                                                    
slide 11 titled "Expected Outcomes from HB 30                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     New Businesses And Jobs                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Reduced Costs For New Businesses                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Improve State Integration With Startup Ecosystem                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Economic Opportunity For The Next Generation Of                                                                            
     Alaskans                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland  concluded  that  every  state  task                                                                    
force report  like the   Energy Security Task  Force Report,                                                                    
Fisheries  Report,  etc.  all  talked  about  the  need  for                                                                    
business    development    and   creating    new    business                                                                    
opportunities.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  referenced the  statement on  slide 4:                                                                    
"research showed  that for every  1 percent increase  in the                                                                    
U.S. entrepreneurship rate, the  poverty rate decreased by 2                                                                    
percent." He  asked for the  research source.  He referenced                                                                    
the sectional  and read: "AS  44.33.857 requires  that state                                                                    
agencies  must  spend  5  percent   of  the  total  economic                                                                    
development  budget   each  year  to  support   programs  or                                                                    
organizations that  help new  businesses in  Alaska [Section                                                                    
3]." He  asked for  more information on  the idea  behind it                                                                    
and how  it would reach  the scope  of all agencies  and the                                                                    
expected  impact.  He  wondered  how  the  bill  would  help                                                                    
revitalize legacy  industries like  logging that  had shrunk                                                                    
dramatically in  the state and  new logging  industries were                                                                    
struggling.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:00:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland responded  that he  would follow  up                                                                    
with the  source related to  poverty. He would follow  up on                                                                    
the 5  percent question. He  noted that the  legislation was                                                                    
more prescriptive  on how 5  percent was  distributed across                                                                    
the  state and  in local  jurisdictions. The  challenge with                                                                    
transition industries  was that the bill  was not attempting                                                                    
economic redesign  of the  state's economy.  The legislation                                                                    
was more  aligned to help Alaskans  establish businesses and                                                                    
providing  new   businesses  and  services   supporting  the                                                                    
existing  economy.  He  thought   that  new  businesses  and                                                                    
services might  support established industries like  oil and                                                                    
gas. He  deemed that  the issue of  transitioning industries                                                                    
was a  different question and  challenge than what  the bill                                                                    
intended to do.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:02:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum   related  that   other   established                                                                    
industries were  changing and struggling,  and he  hoped the                                                                    
bill    could   help    revitalize   existing    industries.                                                                    
Representative   Holland  believed   Representative  Bynum's                                                                    
issue was a very important point  and touched the heart of a                                                                    
separate bill,  HB 34 [Alaska  Innovation Council]  that was                                                                    
scheduled to be heard in House  Finance later in the day. He                                                                    
indicated  that it  was  focused  on macro-economic  issues.                                                                    
House Bill 30 was a bill focused on micro-economics.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster confirmed that the  discussion on both bills                                                                    
would continue in the afternoon.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holland  noted  that the  invited  testifier                                                                    
spoke to HB 34 as well.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  asked whether the  testifier would  like to                                                                    
speak to both bills concurrently.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JARED REYNOLDS,  DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,                                                                    
UNIVERSITY  OF   ALASKA,  ANCHORAGE   (via  teleconference),                                                                    
answered that he was flexible,  but had separate data points                                                                    
for each bill.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster chose to keep the testimony separate.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Reynolds  shared   that   the   Center  for   Economic                                                                    
Development (CED)  worked across the state  to provide local                                                                    
communities,    economic     development    entities,    and                                                                    
entrepreneurs access to resources  necessary to succeed. The                                                                    
center   conducted  research   and   worked  directly   with                                                                    
entrepreneurs   and    communities   providing    a   unique                                                                    
perspective   on   entrepreneurship   in  the   state.   The                                                                    
relationship provided data and  helped the center understand                                                                    
the  success and  challenges that  existed.  The center  was                                                                    
updating  it's "Alaska's  State of  Entrepreneurship Report"                                                                    
that was  first published  in 2018.  He shared  some updated                                                                    
analysis.  He delineated  that Alaska  was a  state full  of                                                                    
entrepreneurs  and  ranked  eighteenth  in  the  country  in                                                                    
startup density and started new  businesses at a higher rate                                                                    
than the national  average at 7.6 startups  per one thousand                                                                    
residents  versus  7.4  nationally. Over  the  last  decade,                                                                    
startups  created 41  thousand net  new jobs  in Alaska.  He                                                                    
pointed  out that  without the  new  jobs; Alaska's  economy                                                                    
would have lost jobs with  many middle aged firms struggling                                                                    
to grow.  He highlighted  some areas  of concern.  The state                                                                    
         nd                                                                                                                     
ranked 42   in  "scaling," the number  of jobs  per business                                                                    
                                                      th                                                                        
establishments (3.3  jobs per business)  and ranked 49   for                                                                    
high  growth firm  density. The  discrepancy was  especially                                                                    
prevalent outside of Anchorage.  He identified the issues of                                                                    
expansion,  business   stagnation,  supply   chain,  capital                                                                    
issues,  and market  access that  forced some  businesses to                                                                    
leave  the state.  Alaskan entrepreneurs  faced barriers  to                                                                    
achieving  growth. In  addition, Alaskan  entrepreneurs were                                                                    
aging and nearly one-fifth were over  the age of 65 and two-                                                                    
fifths were  over 55, which  was well ahead of  the national                                                                    
average.  He offered  some  recommendations  to address  the                                                                    
challenges.  He  mentioned  a "more  coordinated  ecosystem"                                                                    
that addressed  "some of  the silos  between the  ARDORs and                                                                    
entrepreneurship organizations  and university  programs. He                                                                    
suggested creating opportunities to  connect rural and urban                                                                    
talent  and   help  rural  talent  connect   with  statewide                                                                    
resources.  He commented  that strengthening  the "pipeline"                                                                    
to assist emerging  entrepreneurs between the ages  of 25 to                                                                    
44 that  was currently  underserved and  underrepresented in                                                                    
the state.  Finally, he suggested  leveraging data  to guide                                                                    
policy such as the State of Entrepreneurship Report.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:09:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  held  off questions  until  later  in  the                                                                    
afternoon  meeting.  He  requested  a review  of  the  three                                                                    
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TOM   MAYER,  CHIEF   PROCUREMENT  OFFICER,   DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
ADMINISTRATION  (via teleconference),  relayed  that he  did                                                                    
not have  access to the  fiscal note. He explained  that the                                                                    
Department  of  Administration  (DOA) submitted  the  fiscal                                                                    
note because  Section 1  subsection (6) of  HB 30  asked the                                                                    
department  to  report on  "?statistically  underrepresented                                                                    
demographic  segments and  geographic areas  of the  state                                                                      
He emphasized  that without  a definition  to assist  with a                                                                    
disparity study  it was difficult  to know exactly  what the                                                                    
provision was attempting to determine.  He believed that the                                                                    
report  should  be  written  by  DCCED  mainly  because  the                                                                    
licensing was under its purview.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holland noted that  the bill had been changed                                                                    
from a prior  committee, and the original  bill modified the                                                                    
biennial procurement  report to an annual  report, which was                                                                    
reverted to biennial in the new  CS. He did not believe they                                                                    
had  received an  updated fiscal  note. Mr.  Mayer responded                                                                    
that the  department did not  submit an updated  fiscal note                                                                    
and whether  it was  annual or biennial  did not  affect the                                                                    
costs. The  fiscal note reflected the  cost specifically for                                                                    
the disparity study and was  the typical cost of around $500                                                                    
thousand  based  on  the Department  of  Transportation  and                                                                    
Public Facilities  and other agencies disparity  studies. He                                                                    
noted that the cost was a best "guess."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:13:13 AM                                                                                                                   
Co-Chair  Foster  cited  the published  fiscal  impact  note                                                                    
(FN1(DOA) with  a cost  of $500 thousand  in Services  in FY                                                                    
2026  allocated to  the Office  of Procurement  and Property                                                                    
Management  and  noted  the  fund  source  was  Undesignated                                                                    
General Funds (UGF).                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked why  he recommended  that DCCED                                                                    
write the  report rather than  DOA. Mr. Mayer  answered that                                                                    
his  office  did  not manage  business  licensing  and  only                                                                    
reported  on  all  the  procurement  that  happened  in  all                                                                    
agencies across  the state  every two  years. Representative                                                                    
Hannan  asked  if his  office  could  produce a  procurement                                                                    
report   that   would   assist  DCCED   gather   information                                                                    
intersecting  with  businesses  under licensing.  Mr.  Mayer                                                                    
replied  that   his  office   reported  as   directed  under                                                                    
AS.36.35.40,   a   biannual   procurement  report   on   all                                                                    
procurement   activities  that   were   undertaken  by   all                                                                    
executive  branch  agencies.  He delineated  that  the  bill                                                                    
mandated  a  report  on  business   licenses  and  ages  for                                                                    
underrepresented demographic segments  and geographic areas.                                                                    
The information  would be new  for the report, and  he could                                                                    
begin to collect the data,  but the department's perspective                                                                    
was that the report including  the disparity study should be                                                                    
done through DCCED, who dealt with business licensing.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan noted she  would take up her following                                                                    
questions offline with the sponsor.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:16:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH LAGER,  ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES  DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF  COMMERCE, COMMUNITY  AND ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT, reviewed                                                                    
the  one  new  fiscal  impact note,  dated  April  4,  2025,                                                                    
allocated to  the Office of Entrepreneurship.  She explained                                                                    
that the cost included $661  thousand to support the ongoing                                                                    
operations of the  office in FY 26 and  in subsequent fiscal                                                                    
years.  The  fiscal  note  included  One  full-time Division                                                                    
Director (range 27) at $222.7  thousand, $139.8 thousand for                                                                    
one full-time Program Coordinator  2 (range 20),  and $124.7                                                                    
thousand for  one full-time Research  Analyst 3  (range 18).                                                                    
The positions  would be  located in  Juneau with  the caveat                                                                    
that  it  depended  on  where  DCCED  could  find  the  most                                                                    
qualified  staff. She  noted there  were additional  typical                                                                    
costs associated  with the office for  travel, services, and                                                                    
commodities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster noted  there were two notes  in packets from                                                                    
DCCED and asked  if she would speak to the  one allocated to                                                                    
licensing. Ms.  Lager noted that  the other note was  from a                                                                    
previous bill version and was no longer applicable.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   reported  that  there   were  previous                                                                    
positions  in  the department  and  asked  what happened  to                                                                    
them.  Ms.  Lager  answered  that  previously  DCCED  had  a                                                                    
Division  of Economic  Development  that  operated for  many                                                                    
years  and  ran  several  programs   such  as;  the  tourism                                                                    
marketing  program costing  $15 million  to $17  million per                                                                    
year  and  also ran  the  former  Tok Visitors  Office.  The                                                                    
position   count  specifically   related  to   the  economic                                                                    
development  and entrepreneurship  work  was  roughly 11  in                                                                    
2016  and due  to significant  budget cuts,  the number  was                                                                    
reduced to five positions  by 2019. The department attempted                                                                    
to determine  how best to  run the program with  fewer staff                                                                    
and over time the positions  had been reduced to the current                                                                    
1.5  positions located  in  the  Commissioner's Office.  Co-                                                                    
Chair  Josephson asked  if  there was  any  function of  the                                                                    
positions  in  the  2016  timeframe   that  was  similar  to                                                                    
entrepreneurship development.  Ms. Lager responded  that the                                                                    
work  varied  in any  given  year.  She recalled  a  project                                                                    
focused on  converting logging plants into  smaller diameter                                                                    
timber  plants. She  noted that  some positions  were called                                                                    
  evelopment  Specialists  Type  A" that  focused  on  small                                                                    
business work  but in any given  year the work was  based on                                                                    
economic activities happening in the state.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  asked to hear from  Brodie Anderson related                                                                    
to the other fiscal note                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BRODIE   ANDERSON,   STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE   NEAL   FOSTER,                                                                    
reviewed  the fiscal  impact note  from DCCED,  allocated to                                                                    
Corporations,    Business    and   Professional    Licensing                                                                    
(FN3(CED). He  explained that the  fiscal note  was referred                                                                    
to  the committee,  but  the fiscal  note  should have  been                                                                    
eliminated in  the prior committee.  The fiscal note  was no                                                                    
longer applicable to the bill.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  added that the  fiscal note was  not merely                                                                    
zeroed out but was eliminated.  Mr. Anderson answered in the                                                                    
affirmative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum thanked Mr. Anderson.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster thanked Representative Holland.                                                                                 
HB 30 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the schedule for the afternoon.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:22:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 11:22 a.m.                                                                                         

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