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03/21/2025 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:34:55 PM Start
01:36:06 PM HB54
01:36:13 PM Presentation: Deferred Maintenance, School Major Maintenance and New School Construction List
03:38:58 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 54 APPROP: CAPITAL/SUPPLEMENTAL/FUNDS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Presentation: Deferred Maintenance, School TELECONFERENCED
Major Maintenance and New School Construction
List by Department of Education and Early
Development, Alaska Council of School
Administrators, and School Districts
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      March 21, 2025                                                                                            
                         1:34 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:34:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage called the  House Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:34 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Calvin Schrage, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jamie Allard                                                                                                     
Representative Jeremy Bynum                                                                                                     
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Nellie Unangiq Jimmie                                                                                            
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Lori Weed,  School Finance Manager, Department  of Education                                                                    
and   Early  Development;   Michael  Butikofer,   Facilities                                                                    
Manager, Department of Education  and Early Development; Dr.                                                                    
Lisa Parady,  Executive Director,  Alaska Council  of School                                                                    
Administrators; Frank Hauser,  Superintendent, Juneau School                                                                    
District;  Representative  Bill Elam;  Representative  Julie                                                                    
Coulombe.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Andrew  Anderson,  Superintendent,  Lower  Kuskokwim  School                                                                    
District,  Bethel; Andy  Degraw,  Chief Operations  Officer,                                                                    
Fairbanks North Star Borough School District.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 54     APPROP: CAPITAL/SUPPLEMENTAL/FUNDS                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          HB 54 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:    DEFERRED    MAINTENANCE,    SCHOOL    MAJOR                                                                    
MAINTENANCE AND NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION LIST                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT                                                                              
     ALASKA COUNCIL OF SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS                                                                                    
     SCHOOL DISTRICTS                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 54                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   making  appropriations,   including  capital                                                                    
     appropriations   and   other   appropriations;   making                                                                    
     reappropriations;  making appropriations  to capitalize                                                                    
     funds; and providing for an effective date."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:36:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:    DEFERRED    MAINTENANCE,   SCHOOL    MAJOR                                                                  
MAINTENANCE AND NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION LIST                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:36:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   BUTIKOFER,  FACILITIES   MANAGER,  DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                    
EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT, introduced himself.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
LORI WEED,  SCHOOL FINANCE MANAGER, DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION                                                                    
AND  EARLY DEVELOPMENT,  provided a  PowerPoint presentation                                                                    
titled "Capital  Needs for  School Facilities,"  dated March                                                                    
21,  2025 (copy  on file).  She began  on slide  2 with  the                                                                    
Department  of  Education  and  Early  Development's  (DEED)                                                                    
mission, vision,  and purpose. The department's  mission was                                                                    
"an excellent  education for every  student every  day." The                                                                    
purpose  of  the  department  was  to  provide  information,                                                                    
resources, and leadership to  support an excellent education                                                                    
for  every student  every  day.  She moved  to  slide 3  and                                                                    
stated that a school  facility was instrumental in providing                                                                    
education,   meeting  Alaska's   strategic  priorities   for                                                                    
education challenge,  particularly retaining  and attracting                                                                    
effective  educational  professionals,   and  improving  the                                                                    
safety and well-being of students by providing a                                                                                
comfortable and safe place to go to school.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed moved to current funding mechanisms on slide 4.                                                                        
She read from prepared remarks:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The current funding mechanisms  in statute, Title 14.11                                                                    
     provide for the department  to oversee programs for the                                                                    
     construction,   rehabilitation,   and  improvement   of                                                                    
     schools  and education  related  facilities. There  are                                                                    
     two primary grant funds:  the School Construction Grant                                                                    
     Fund  established in  1990  and  the Major  Maintenance                                                                    
     Grant   Fund  established   in  1993.   This  structure                                                                    
     simplified  the  appropriation allocation  system  that                                                                    
     was based on multiple  different funding lists, one for                                                                    
     each of the project  categories currently identified in                                                                    
     the  statute.  All  grant projects  funded  under  this                                                                    
     chapter   require  a   participating  share   from  the                                                                    
     district:  2  percent   for  the  Regional  Educational                                                                    
     Attendance Areas  (REAA) and  between 5 and  35 percent                                                                    
     for municipal school districts.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The  Regional  Educational  Attendance Area  and  Small                                                                    
     Municipal  School   District  School  Fund,   which  we                                                                    
     typically shorten to REAA Fund,  was created in 2010 as                                                                    
     a result  of the  Kasayulie settlement  as a  method of                                                                    
     providing more equity in  capital funding between rural                                                                    
     and   urban   schools.   Primarily,   those   who   can                                                                    
     participate  in  school  bond  debt  reimbursement  and                                                                    
     those who could not.  Originally, specific to REAAs for                                                                    
     school  construction   funding,  it  was   expanded  to                                                                    
     include small  municipalities in 2013, and  in 2018 the                                                                    
     purpose  was  expanded  to include  major  maintenance.                                                                    
     This  fund is  based on  a calculation  indexed to  the                                                                    
     amount of  the state's  school bond  debt reimbursement                                                                    
     modified by a  ratio of municipal schools  to the total                                                                    
     statewide and applied a constant factor of 0.244.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:39:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage acknowledged Representatives Bill Elam and                                                                     
Julie Coulombe in the room.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed continued addressing current funding mechanisms on                                                                     
slide 4 with prepared remarks:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The REAA fund has been  a great asset to the department                                                                    
     in  the past  decade.  It has  allowed  us to  forecast                                                                    
     anticipated funding,  which has allowed  the department                                                                    
     to keep  projects moving on  the construction  list. In                                                                    
     particular, by  enabling us to  fund the  design phases                                                                    
     of  a large  school construction  project in  one year,                                                                    
     knowing that the balance of  funding will be sufficient                                                                    
     for the construction phase in  the following year. This                                                                    
     year, the  fund capitalization in the  operating budget                                                                    
     is about $22.9 million.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The school  bond debt reimbursement program  is open to                                                                    
     all cities and boroughs  that operate school districts.                                                                    
     Applications  for debt  reimbursement  projects may  be                                                                    
     received  at  any  time a  debt  reimbursement  program                                                                    
     authorization is  open. Because  of the open  nature of                                                                    
     the  program in  recent  iterations,  projects are  not                                                                    
     ranked or  evaluated for prioritized need.  The funding                                                                    
     authorizations for  the program  have been  approved by                                                                    
     the  legislature  through   statute  in  two  different                                                                    
     methods. Most recently with  an open-ended authority at                                                                    
     set  reimbursement rates.  Prior to  the moratorium  in                                                                    
     2015,  the authorized  rates for  reimbursement by  the                                                                    
     state were set  at 60 and 70 percent and  the new rates                                                                    
     which are currently  set to be in effect  July 1, 2025,                                                                    
     will be at  40 and 50 percent  reimbursement. There was                                                                    
     a  previous  method  of  program  authorization,  which                                                                    
     established maximum amounts  of project allocations per                                                                    
     municipal  population  or  enrollment  range  and  this                                                                    
     method was primarily used between 1990 and 2006.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Tomaszewski    asked   if    the   Regional                                                                    
Educational Attendance Area and Small Municipal School                                                                          
District School Fund was one or two funds.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed confirmed it was one fund.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:42:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed turned to slide 5 and reviewed current project                                                                         
categories (AS 14.11.013) with prepared remarks:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Each  project submitted  to  the  department must  fall                                                                    
     within  one  of  the  six  identified  categories  from                                                                    
     statute.   The  categories   are  assigned   to  school                                                                    
     construction  and major  maintenance  in AS  14.11.135.                                                                    
     When a project  is assigned to a category  and hence to                                                                    
     a  specific grant  fund, the  ranking  list for  school                                                                    
     construction  and major  maintenance  does not  further                                                                    
     distinguish  between  these  types of  categories,  and                                                                    
     except  for a  limited number  of questions  applicable                                                                    
     only to  school construction,  all projects  are ranked                                                                    
     using  the  same  scoring  matrixes.  This  provides  a                                                                    
     transparent  framework for  the  department to  balance                                                                    
     the   wide-ranging  scopes   and  disparate   types  of                                                                    
     projects from all across our state.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Weed  turned   to  slide   6  and   addressed  capital                                                                    
improvement plan (CIP) eligibility with prepared remarks:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     To participate in a funding  program under AS 14.11 the                                                                    
     district  must  meet statutory  requirements  including                                                                    
     providing  a  six-year  capital  improvement  plan  and                                                                    
     documentation  of a  functioning fixed  asset inventory                                                                    
     system.  A  district  must  annually  submit  proof  of                                                                    
     property  insurance on  their facilities.  In order  to                                                                    
     help  ensure that  systems are  in place  to adequately                                                                    
     care  for its  facilities, the  district's preventative                                                                    
     maintenance  and facility  management  program must  be                                                                    
     currently certified with  the department. Documentation                                                                    
     ensuring that  a project is  a capital project  and not                                                                    
     part  of   a  routine  facility   maintenance.  Lastly,                                                                    
     acknowledge  that  the   district  is  responsible  for                                                                    
     meeting a portion of the project costs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:43:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if  there was a  definition for                                                                    
routine maintenance  within the department. She  wondered if                                                                    
routine  maintenance  was specific  to  certain  tasks or  a                                                                    
percentage of cost of operation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed replied that [routine  maintenance] was not defined                                                                    
in regulation  or statute and  it was not  necessarily based                                                                    
on  cost.   She  explained  that  routine   maintenance  was                                                                    
preventative  or  a  small   repair  (e.g.,  replacement  of                                                                    
filters,  replacement  of a  small  amount  of carpet  tile,                                                                    
painting  an  interior).  The  department  reviewed  project                                                                    
applications and may remove portions  of scope that were not                                                                    
determined  to  be  a capital  project.  Whereas  a  capital                                                                    
project would be a total system replacement.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan   considered  Juneau   examples.  She                                                                    
understood  Juneau would  not qualify  in  the small  school                                                                    
fund.  She  provided  a  hypothetical   example  of  a  pipe                                                                    
breaking causing a flood in  a school library that meant all                                                                    
of  the  carpet  needed replacement  because  the  situation                                                                    
happened over winter  break. She asked if it  qualified as a                                                                    
capital  project.  In  another  scenario,  she  assumed  one                                                                    
broken  window  would  be  considered  routine  maintenance,                                                                    
whereas  50  broken windows  from  a  storm event  would  be                                                                    
considered a capital project.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed   replied  that  the  examples   would  likely  be                                                                    
insurance  claims,  which  would   not  fall  under  capital                                                                    
projects.  She agreed that  as the scope increased there was                                                                    
a gray  area. She relayed  that there was  a reconsideration                                                                    
and appeal  process for the  dialogue to happen  between the                                                                    
department and a school district.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:45:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum observed  that  slide  6 pertained  to                                                                    
eligibility,  slide 4  addressed  the  four current  funding                                                                    
mechanisms, and  the current project categories  on slide 5.                                                                    
He looked  at the CIP  eligibility on  slide 6. He  asked if                                                                    
the  CIP   eligibility  applied   to  all  of   the  funding                                                                    
mechanisms. He asked if the  same formula was applied to all                                                                    
four funding mechanisms and the project categories.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed responded affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  stated that a  couple of years  ago on                                                                    
the requirement  for property insurance, the  state ran into                                                                    
an issue  where the  Kaktovik school was  not insured  up to                                                                    
the  replacement   cost.  He  referenced   the  department's                                                                    
process for  verifying CIP eligibility  and asked if  it had                                                                    
done anything since that time  to make certain insurance was                                                                    
sufficient to cover the replacement value of schools.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed answered  the  department was  in  the process  of                                                                    
reviewing  how it  analyzed appropriate  school construction                                                                    
costs.  The insured  values  were supposed  to  be based  on                                                                    
insurance   appraisals.   She  elaborated   that   statutory                                                                    
requirements specified  that it  would be  replacement cost.                                                                    
Some  of the  insurers did  that regardless  of the  premium                                                                    
amount listed,  while the department was  still working with                                                                    
others.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp remarked that he  was aware of what the                                                                    
law  stated was  supposed  to happen.  He  assumed DEED  was                                                                    
verifying that  the state was actually  ensuring schools had                                                                    
the  appropriate   insurance  coverage   in  the   event  of                                                                    
catastrophic events at schools.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  replied that DEED  was currently  reevaluating its                                                                    
process to ensure  there was a good  comparison between what                                                                    
a  rough estimate  of replacement  cost  per square  footage                                                                    
would be and what was actually being insured.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:48:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson  asked  how  the  Natural  Petroleum                                                                    
Reserve-Alaska   (NPRA)  funding   went   to  schools.   She                                                                    
understood there was a school  component of the royalty. She                                                                    
asked what fund it went into and how it could be used.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed replied that it was  not a funding stream that went                                                                    
through the DEED Facilities Section;  therefore, she did not                                                                    
have the information.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson  asked if  it went directly  to local                                                                    
school districts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed responded that she did not have the information.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  continued her presentation on  slide 7, pertaining                                                                    
to  grant  participation  and  eligibility.  She  read  from                                                                    
prepared remarks:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Capital  improvement project  (CIP) grant  applications                                                                    
     are  received by  the department  from districts  on or                                                                    
     before  September  1.  Over the  next  two  months  the                                                                    
     department    reviews   and    ranks   all    submitted                                                                    
     applications. The  Bond Reimbursement and  Grant Review                                                                    
     Committee has  established the application  and ranking                                                                    
     metric  that  has  the district  identify  and  provide                                                                    
     standard information that  is necessary for development                                                                    
     and  evaluation  of  a   project.  The  application  is                                                                    
     reviewed  and  approved  annually  at  the  committee's                                                                    
     publicly noticed meetings.  The department ensures that                                                                    
     eligibility criteria are met.  The department will then                                                                    
     publish the  initial ranking list on  November 5th. The                                                                    
     districts   have   the   opportunity  to   review   the                                                                    
     department  determinations   on  ranking   and  scoring                                                                    
     eligibility and modifications to  scope and budget that                                                                    
     may   have   been   done    by   the   department.   If                                                                    
     reconsideration is  not favorable  to a  district, they                                                                    
     have  the opportunity  to appeal  to an  administrative                                                                    
     hearing  officer and  the decision  by  State Board  of                                                                    
     Education. Ultimately,  they are able to  be heard, and                                                                    
     it could  be decided in  the superior court  if needed.                                                                    
     The last  major appeal was  for the FY 26  budget cycle                                                                    
     and  was  for  the  Kivalina  new  school  construction                                                                    
     project in Northwest Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski asked  if the  grant application                                                                    
process  was  easy or  if  there  were  schools that  had  a                                                                    
difficult time with it.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  replied that  the process  was involved  and could                                                                    
vary on  a scale depending  on the resources available  to a                                                                    
district.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  for  details  about the  Kivalina                                                                    
School District appeal.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed responded  that the  Kivalina School  District had                                                                    
submitted  a ~$100  million project  and the  department had                                                                    
reduced  the  project  to  approximately  $43  million.  The                                                                    
school  district   had  requested  reconsideration   on  the                                                                    
decision.  She   did  not  recall  whether   the  department                                                                    
increased the funding at that  time. She elaborated that the                                                                    
case  went  to  a  hearing   officer  and  the  funding  was                                                                    
increased  to about  $50 million.  The  primary dispute  was                                                                    
over the  installation of  additional water  storage utility                                                                    
capacity for water, power, sewer,  and fuel tanks, which had                                                                    
added  a   large  cost.  The  department   asserted  it  was                                                                    
providing  services  for  the community  and  not  just  the                                                                    
school facility. She relayed  that the department's position                                                                    
was essentially upheld.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:54:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked for verification  that in  the end                                                                    
Kivalina received $50 million to replace its school.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed agreed. She elaborated  that it was the last school                                                                    
involved in the Kasayulie  settlement. She explained that in                                                                    
lieu  of  an addition  or  replacement  school in  the  same                                                                    
location, it had been moved  to the community's resettlement                                                                    
location.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   noted  it  involved   climate  related                                                                    
occurrences.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  noted  the four  different  statutory                                                                    
funding  mechanisms including  direct grants  and bond  debt                                                                    
reimbursement.   He  looked   at  the   grant  participation                                                                    
eligibility criteria  on slide 7.  He asked if  the requests                                                                    
were  ranked equally  based  on merit  or  grouped based  on                                                                    
funding mechanism category.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed replied  that grant  projects were  ranked at  the                                                                    
same time,  but they were split  between school construction                                                                    
and  major  maintenance  due to  the  funding  sources.  She                                                                    
relayed that  all school  construction projects  were ranked                                                                    
against the  same matrix and all  major maintenance projects                                                                    
were ranked  against the same  criteria. She  clarified that                                                                    
the two grants were ranked  against the same criteria, but a                                                                    
school construction project  had several additional criteria                                                                    
that applied. A school  construction project was expected to                                                                    
house   additional   students,   which  meant   looking   at                                                                    
alternative facilities and  population projection. She noted                                                                    
that those items  were not part of the  scoring criteria for                                                                    
major maintenance.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum he  noted that  Representative Rebecca                                                                    
Schwanke brought  forward the issue where  REAAs potentially                                                                    
did not have  the capability of meeting  CIP eligibility. He                                                                    
elaborated  that  for small  school  districts  it was  very                                                                    
difficult   to   dedicate   the  resources   and   technical                                                                    
capabilities   toward   developing    plans   that   require                                                                    
engineering, evaluating six-year  capital improvement plans,                                                                    
and  ensuring  there  was  a  preventative  maintenance  and                                                                    
facility  maintenance program.  He asked  if the  department                                                                    
had a mechanism  in place to help small  districts make sure                                                                    
they were competitive in the request process.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  advanced to  slide 8 to  answer the  question. The                                                                    
slide pertained to what it  took to fill out an application.                                                                    
She read from prepared remarks:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Within the application there are  prompts there and the                                                                    
     reward  through scoring  for districts  to provide  the                                                                    
     information needed for evaluation  of the project scope                                                                    
     and  necessity   both  by  the  district   and  by  the                                                                    
     department when  reviewing. This does  include facility                                                                    
     information like  age and conditions and  an evaluation                                                                    
     of options. For new school construction it may include                                                                     
     different enrollment projections to justify a space                                                                        
     increase.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed addressed  Representative  Bynum's question  about                                                                    
whether  engineering  was  required to  evaluate  whether  a                                                                    
project  was needed.  The department  provided a  variety of                                                                    
tools including a condition  survey template, which required                                                                    
that  someone on  district staff  had the  qualifications to                                                                    
say for example, that they had  known the roof for 30 years,                                                                    
and  could  identify  the issues  and  provide  photos.  She                                                                    
highlighted  the   importance  of  photos.   The  department                                                                    
modified   the  process   making   it   unnecessary  for   a                                                                    
professional engineer  or architect  to visit a  facility if                                                                    
the   school  district   had   a   person  with   sufficient                                                                    
qualifications  to  look  at   a  system  and  identify  the                                                                    
problems.   She   noted   that  it   involved   multimillion                                                                    
facilities  ranging from  $10 million  to  $50 million.  She                                                                    
posed the question, "As part  of good stewardship should you                                                                    
be  able   to  maintain   and  evaluate   your  facilities?"                                                                    
Districts were  required to have a  preventative maintenance                                                                    
program per  statute to  ensure that  systems did  not break                                                                    
prematurely.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  relayed that the six-year  plan development, which                                                                    
was  part  of  the  preventative  maintenance  and  facility                                                                    
management  program,  did  not  have to  be  extensive.  The                                                                    
department  required   districts  to  maintain   high  level                                                                    
renewal   and  replacement   schedules  based   on  facility                                                                    
replacement costs.  The department had a  template, and most                                                                    
districts   maintained  them   as   part   of  the   program                                                                    
certification. A  project could  be scoped based  on systems                                                                    
that  were  aging  and  coming   due  for  replacement.  The                                                                    
department had  eyes on those systems  and acknowledged they                                                                    
were coming due  or had a couple of  years remaining because                                                                    
it  had  been well-maintained.  She  stated  that a  project                                                                    
could be scoped  very high level and come  to the department                                                                    
for development  of initial  design and  further processing.                                                                    
The  department  also provided  a  cost  estimating tool  to                                                                    
identify by system or type of space.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:01:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  continued to  address slide  8 beginning  with the                                                                    
scope of work. She read from prepared remarks:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The scope of work  can be established through narrative                                                                    
     and  supported  by  preliminary design  documents.  The                                                                    
     estimate of  the budget, what  does the  district think                                                                    
     it will  take versus  the department  coming up  with a                                                                    
     number, was  helpful and important.  Documentation that                                                                    
     supports the statements in  the application can provide                                                                    
     assurance  of accuracy  and  allows  the department  to                                                                    
     evaluate the project presented to  ensure that it is in                                                                    
     the best interest of both the district and the state.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  department  provides   numerous  publications  and                                                                    
     tools  for  districts  to complete  each  step  of  the                                                                    
     application without professional  assistance if needed.                                                                    
     These   tools  walk   a  district   through  completing                                                                    
     elements of  the application including  options costing                                                                    
     analysis,  condition  survey,  population  projections,                                                                    
     and budget. In addition to  always being able to answer                                                                    
     district   questions  during   application  development                                                                    
     including  use of  the tools,  facilities staff  at the                                                                    
     department   participate   in   statewide   conferences                                                                    
     including those  for the Alaska Association  for School                                                                    
     Business   Officials  and   the  maintenance   director                                                                    
     conference hosted  by the Association of  Alaska School                                                                    
     Boards.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     We also often speak  at the UAS aspiring superintendent                                                                    
     course. Mr.  Butikofer was  just presenting  there last                                                                    
     evening. Specifically, Facilities  also hosts an annual                                                                    
     training  workshop on  the application  identifying any                                                                    
     changes, going  over the tools  available, and  will be                                                                    
     providing  monthly  question  and answer  sessions  for                                                                    
     districts  throughout  the  summer leading  up  to  the                                                                    
     application deadline.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:03:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  explained that it had  become apparent                                                                    
to  him that  there  were billions  of  dollars of  deferred                                                                    
maintenance on  state-owned assets  with no system  in place                                                                    
to identify  or pay  for the needs.  He understood  DEED was                                                                    
not fully  responsible for  education facilities,  but there                                                                    
were billions of dollars' worth  of facilities with hundreds                                                                    
of millions  of dollars of backlog  deferred maintenance. He                                                                    
referenced Ms.  Weed's statements  that there were  rules in                                                                    
place that told school  districts they shall have mechanisms                                                                    
in place to protect assets.  However, there were hundreds of                                                                    
millions of  dollars in deferred maintenance.  He asked what                                                                    
mechanisms  were in  place to  create enforcement.  He noted                                                                    
that there was  a lot of discussion about  the importance of                                                                    
education  in Alaska,  but  it was  not  only about  putting                                                                    
money   into   classrooms   for   teachers,   administrative                                                                    
functions,  and  classroom  tools. He  stated  that  another                                                                    
important  component  was   the  classrooms  themselves  and                                                                    
facilities. He  remarked that  healthy facilities  were good                                                                    
for teaching  and schools. He  was a bit  frustrated because                                                                    
he  knew  there were  hundreds  of  millions of  dollars  in                                                                    
backlog maintenance. He was trying to  get a grasp on how to                                                                    
get it  under control and  what mechanisms the state  had to                                                                    
help  with  the  problem.  He remarked  that  there  was  no                                                                    
enforcement  mechanism  or  assistance  provided  to  school                                                                    
districts.  He  was afraid  there  would  continue to  be  a                                                                    
problem of  backlog maintenance.  He was  trying to  reach a                                                                    
solution.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  responded  that   the  department's  program  was                                                                    
voluntary  for  school  districts. She  stated  there  could                                                                    
certainly be a legislative change if desired.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked how many people  worked in DEED                                                                    
Facilities a decade ago compared to present day.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed answered  that  she had  worked  for Facilities  a                                                                    
decade  ago, and  it had  maintained a  staff of  five since                                                                    
that time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan shared  that in her 20  years with the                                                                    
Juneau   School   District,   the   district's   maintenance                                                                    
department  suffered  many  cuts long  before  the  district                                                                    
began  cutting   kindergarten  teachers   and  consolidating                                                                    
buildings.  She   elaborated  that   year-round  maintenance                                                                    
became  summer  maintenance  only. She  explained  that  the                                                                    
maintenance  crew  stopped  plowing parking  lots,  and  the                                                                    
responsibility   went   to   the   custodian   because   the                                                                    
maintenance crew  only had one  plow truck and  13 buildings                                                                    
needing  plowing before  school could  open. She  could only                                                                    
imagine  when  the  school  district was  an  REAA  with  20                                                                    
locations.  She  continued  that  an REAA  may  have  had  a                                                                    
custodian at  one point who  was a  "jack of all  trades" in                                                                    
every  building,  but  as  those  positions  were  cut,  the                                                                    
district  maintenance crew  only came  out once  or twice  a                                                                    
year to deal with a crisis.  She emphasized that some of the                                                                    
onus  was  on the  legislature  because  buildings had  been                                                                    
built but school districts were  not receiving the budget to                                                                    
keep doing the  things it said. She  considered the question                                                                    
of  enforcement. She  asked if  the  legislature should  say                                                                    
that if a school district  was not doing regular maintenance                                                                    
it needed to  shutter its doors. She did not  believe it was                                                                    
what  her colleague  was asserting.  She  stressed that  the                                                                    
legislature had set  up a program and asked  DEED to oversee                                                                    
it, but as  the legislature had retracted  its supports, the                                                                    
districts  did  not  have  mechanisms  to  stand  up  better                                                                    
maintenance  and ongoing  maintenance. She  added that  DEED                                                                    
had shrunk  in size  substantially. She thought  there would                                                                    
have  been more  people  in Facilities  when  the state  was                                                                    
constructing buildings,  but it was  good they were  all out                                                                    
in districts and it was still  five people who could help 54                                                                    
school districts get their requests to go forward.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:09:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed advanced to a chart  on slide 9 pertaining to grant                                                                    
participation and eligibility  FY 16 to FY  26. She provided                                                                    
prepared remarks:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     This  grant  participation  and  eligibility  showed  a                                                                    
     chart of  the last 11  years of ranked  grant projects.                                                                    
     There was a dip in FY 19 and  FY 20 in most part due to                                                                    
     the department  exercising its authority  to reallocate                                                                    
     funding  within   the  major  maintenance   and  school                                                                    
     construction grant  funds to  projects on the  list. We                                                                    
     did   that    behind   when   a    normal   legislative                                                                    
     appropriation would  occur, so districts  were catching                                                                    
     up with their application  submittals. This most recent                                                                    
     decade from  FY 16 to FY  26 and a year  prior to that,                                                                    
     there was an average  of approximately 117 applications                                                                    
     with  a 60  percent participation  rate from  districts                                                                    
     and  we've  funded  approximately  16  percent  of  the                                                                    
     requests. In  the first decade  of the  current program                                                                    
     structure, which was approximately  1994 to 2004, there                                                                    
     was an average  of 178 applications with  an 83 percent                                                                    
     participation rate by districts  and the state was able                                                                    
     to  fund  25 percent  of  those  requested projects.  I                                                                    
     think we  all acknowledge  that the  needs now  are not                                                                    
     less than  they were then,  but the ability  to receive                                                                    
     grant funding has been a  lot less certain in this last                                                                    
     10 years  and consider  also that  there was  an active                                                                    
     debt reimbursement authorization  during that decade as                                                                    
     well.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:11:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  reviewed total eligible grant  projects and actual                                                                    
grant funding by fiscal year on slide 10:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The  total eligible  grant projects  versus the  actual                                                                    
     funding by  fiscal year,  you see  a comparison  of the                                                                    
     eligible  ranked  grant  projects  and  the  amount  of                                                                    
     projects  funded for  the school  construction here  on                                                                    
     the left,  and major  maintenance on  the right.  It is                                                                    
     important  to  note that  the  amount  funded does  not                                                                    
     include  reappropriations  or   reallocations  of  fund                                                                    
     balances.  So,   when  we   talked  before   about  the                                                                    
     department using  its ability to reallocate  funding in                                                                    
     the years of 2018, you'll  see a funded amount of zero,                                                                    
     but 16 projects funded.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed   noted  that  she  would   elaborate  on  related                                                                    
information from a report momentarily.  She provided a brief                                                                    
look at the FY 26  school construction and major maintenance                                                                    
grant list  request totals on  slide 11. She  explained that                                                                    
it  was the  total projects  the districts  chose to  submit                                                                    
applications for the past September.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed moved to total six-year plan requests on slide 12:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     When school  districts provide their six-year  plans as                                                                    
     that eligibility  requirement, the  department compiles                                                                    
     the  data   to  provide  a  snapshot   of  the  current                                                                    
     estimated  need.   She  noted   that  not   all  school                                                                    
     districts submit in  any given year, and  the data only                                                                    
     includes  projects   identified  by   districts  (whole                                                                    
     dollars, not adjusted for inflation).                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed looked at recent funding on slide 13:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The departments  report school capital  project funding                                                                    
     under SB  237 provides  additional data on  the funding                                                                    
     provided by the state  for school capital projects. The                                                                    
     most  recent addition  was  published  on February  28,                                                                    
     2025.  This  documents  the $1.75  billion  in  project                                                                    
     funding  that had  been provided  by the  state between                                                                    
     the bond debt reimbursement  and grant programs from FY                                                                    
     11 through the current fiscal year.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  turned to  an  excerpt  from the  School  Capital                                                                    
Project Funding Report  on slide 14. She  read from prepared                                                                    
remarks:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     You can  see the marked  shift in percentage  of funded                                                                    
     capital  projects when  the state  experienced a  sharp                                                                    
     decline in resources or revenues  and continued to have                                                                    
     budget   pressure.  There   has   been  a   significant                                                                    
     reduction  in  capital   spending  on  school  projects                                                                    
     through both  the grant program and  by instituting the                                                                    
     moratorium on the debt reimbursement program.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  advanced  to  slide  15  pertaining  to  deferred                                                                    
maintenance funding at Mt. Edgecumbe High School:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     As  a division  of the  state, the  Mt. Edgecumbe  High                                                                    
     School  (MEHS)  is  not  part of  the  AS  14.11  grant                                                                    
     program  and has  received  direct appropriations  from                                                                    
     the legislature  or could  receive funding  through the                                                                    
     Department  of  Transportation  and  Public  Facilities                                                                    
     deferred  maintenance  list. Currently,  Mt.  Edgecumbe                                                                    
     has $11.4  million in  funded projects.  The department                                                                    
     submitted $22.8  million in projects for  Mt. Edgecumbe                                                                    
     in FY 26 to the statewide deferred maintenance list.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:14:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  highlighted a  list  of  additional resources  on                                                                    
slide 16.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum   remarked  that   the   presentation                                                                    
included  a  lot  of information  about  what  the  programs                                                                    
looked  like  associated  with  putting  money  into  school                                                                    
facilities.  He highlighted  that  a topic  he  did not  see                                                                    
included  was that  on the  foundation formula  side of  the                                                                    
funding,  it was  not necessarily  an equal  cost share.  He                                                                    
elaborated that the  city and boroughs were  required to pay                                                                    
a local contribution for their  schools, whereas other parts                                                                    
of the  state were not.  He asked  if the state  tracked who                                                                    
paid for facilities.  For example, part of  his district was                                                                    
a city and borough, and the  borough was paying for the bulk                                                                    
of facilities  (e.g., ball  fields, gymnasiums,  rooves) and                                                                    
it could apply  for bond debt reimbursement  from the state,                                                                    
which  may or  may not  get  paid depending  on whether  the                                                                    
legislature  appropriated  the  money. He  wondered  if  the                                                                    
department  had  the  data showing  the  actual  dollars  in                                                                    
facilities were  compared to REAAs versus  city and boroughs                                                                    
and  what   share  the  state  had   through  the  different                                                                    
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  replied  that the  department  collected  audited                                                                    
financials  that included  capital project  funding received                                                                    
by districts if  received from the local  municipality for a                                                                    
project operated  by the district, but  the department would                                                                    
not  have  information  on what  cities  were  expending  on                                                                    
capital projects for facilities within their boundaries.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  explained  that   he  was  trying  to                                                                    
determine  who  was paying  for  the  schools. He  asked  if                                                                    
Alaskans  were  collectively   paying  for  the  facilities.                                                                    
Alternatively, he  asked if facilities  were being  built by                                                                    
the  state through  grant processes  in areas  that did  not                                                                    
have the  ability to collect taxes.  Additionally, that city                                                                    
and boroughs  were responsible  for building  the facilities                                                                    
and potentially receiving some  reimbursement down the road.                                                                    
He wondered  if the  department had the  information showing                                                                    
the breakdown of who was paying.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Weed  did   not  believe   the   department  had   the                                                                    
information. She  noted that city and  boroughs were welcome                                                                    
to  apply  for  a  school   construction  grant  to  have  a                                                                    
replacement  school.   She  added  that  with   the  current                                                                    
reduction  in  population  and  enrollment,  many  city  and                                                                    
boroughs already had  an excess of square  footage and would                                                                    
not be eligible for a construction project.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  would  follow   up  with  a  specific                                                                    
request to  the department. He  was trying to  determine how                                                                    
facilities were  originally funded  and how they  were being                                                                    
maintained  through state  dollars (for  city and  boroughs,                                                                    
REAAs, cost sharing, and other mechanisms).                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:18:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage  thanked the  presenters.  He  moved to  a                                                                    
presentation    by   the    Alaska    Council   of    School                                                                    
Administrators.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:19:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  LISA  PARADY,  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  ALASKA  COUNCIL  OF                                                                    
SCHOOL  ADMINISTRATORS, provided  a PowerPoint  presentation                                                                    
titled "School District Major  Maintenance," dated March 21,                                                                    
2025 (copy on file). She  noted the importance of the topic.                                                                    
She noted that the cover  slide of the presentation showed a                                                                    
picture  of a  roof leak  at the  Thorne Bay  School in  the                                                                    
Southeast Island  School District. She pointed  to the image                                                                    
showing  water  coming through  the  roof  and flooding  the                                                                    
school building. The  Thorne Bay roof repair  was project 81                                                                    
on DEED's major maintenance list.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady  explained that  the  Alaska  Council of  School                                                                    
Administrators  (ACSA)  represented  all  school  districts,                                                                    
administrators, and  students. The organization  was focused                                                                    
on  leadership, unity,  and advocacy  for public  education,                                                                    
including neighborhood  correspondence and  charter schools.                                                                    
She  thanked Ms.  Weed and  Mr. Butikofer  for reviewing  AS                                                                    
14.11 and the process. She  planned to provide a perspective                                                                    
from the ground versus digging into the process.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady moved  to slide  3 titled  "ACSA Joint  Position                                                                    
Statements  - Major  Maintenance." She  relayed that  all of                                                                    
the  committee members  had received  ACSA's joint  position                                                                    
statements reflecting the  organization's highest priorities                                                                    
in    public   education.    She   highlighted    that   the                                                                    
organization's  members   had  ranked  major   and  deferred                                                                    
maintenance and  school capital construction as  some of the                                                                    
highest priorities.  The organization  was advocating  for a                                                                    
thorough  review   and  updated  process  of   DEED's  major                                                                    
maintenance application  process. She  stated that  in order                                                                    
to provide  a safe and  healthy environment for  students it                                                                    
was  necessary  to  ensure reliable  and  equitable  funding                                                                    
through the department's school  construction process to all                                                                    
district  facilities.  She  noted   that  school  bond  debt                                                                    
reimbursement   was  a   related  issue.   The  organization                                                                    
encouraged the legislature to reject  a moratorium on school                                                                    
bond debt  reimbursement in  the future  because due  to the                                                                    
existing moratorium,  many school districts  deferred school                                                                    
construction  projects that  resulted  in deterioration  and                                                                    
long-term  damage leading  to unsafe  conditions and  higher                                                                    
costs  to   school  districts  and  ultimately   the  state.                                                                    
Students'  safety  and  healthy learning  environments  were                                                                    
linked.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady turned  to an  illustration on  slide 4  showing                                                                    
Alaska's  schools by  the numbers.  There  were 444  schools                                                                    
currently in  operation and 127 were  REAAS. She highlighted                                                                    
that  63 percent  of the  buildings were  at least  40 years                                                                    
old.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:22:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady   turned  to  slide  5   and  discussed  ongoing                                                                    
challenges pertaining  to deferred maintenance.  The average                                                                    
age of  a school  building in  Alaska was  45 years  with 83                                                                    
buildings over  60 years old.  The current FY 26  DEED major                                                                    
maintenance  list had  over $330  million  in projects  with                                                                    
more that  were not  listed due  to the  current application                                                                    
process.   She  appreciated   the  earlier   questions  from                                                                    
Representative  Tomaszewski and  Representative Bynum  about                                                                    
the application  process because  it was a  financial burden                                                                    
to complete  the applications. For example,  the application                                                                    
for  the Sleetmute  school cost  over $200,000.  She pointed                                                                    
out that  the funds could  have been used in  the classroom,                                                                    
but in an REAA, the funds  were being shifted to things like                                                                    
the application because their staff  did not have sufficient                                                                    
qualifications  or background  to complete  the applications                                                                    
and the  costs of professionals exceeded  their budgets. The                                                                    
slide  showed an  image of  the St  Paul School  air handler                                                                    
shaft in the Pribilof School district.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She  turned  to  slide  6   titled  "School  District  Major                                                                    
Maintenance."  She  highlighted that  for  FY  26 the  total                                                                    
dollar  amount  for the  six-year  plan  requests by  school                                                                    
districts  was about  $1.8 billion.  She  detailed that  the                                                                    
number only  equated to 60  percent of the  school districts                                                                    
because  about 60  percent had  submitted the  six-year plan                                                                    
request  to the  department. She  emphasized that  the state                                                                    
did not  know what the  costs were  for about 40  percent of                                                                    
the school districts.  She believed it lent  credence to the                                                                    
discussion  earlier in  the meeting  about trying  to get  a                                                                    
better  handle on  deferred maintenance  costs that  had not                                                                    
been attended  to. The slide  showed an image of  Homer High                                                                    
School roof dry  rot (located in the  Kenai Peninsula School                                                                    
District).  She referenced  reports by  ProPublica and  KYUK                                                                    
about school  facilities in  Alaska facing  critical crises.                                                                    
She  explained that  the  lack of  funding  of school  major                                                                    
maintenance  projects   by  the  state  left   schools  with                                                                    
deferred  maintenance projects.  Many  of  the projects  had                                                                    
been on the  list for more than a decade.  She remarked that                                                                    
it led to increased costs  for the state and unsafe learning                                                                    
environments for students.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:25:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady   addressed  slide  7   showing  a   table  with                                                                    
recommended and  funded capital renewal by  fiscal year. The                                                                    
information reflected  the industry standard  for facilities                                                                    
for  DEED. The  list recommended  3 percent  capital renewal                                                                    
for  school  maintenance.  She clarified  that  the  updated                                                                    
recommendation was  4 percent.  Since 2014,  the legislature                                                                    
had  not   funded  half  of  the   recommended  amount.  She                                                                    
explained  that  the  lack  of   funding  coupled  with  the                                                                    
moratorium  on  school  bond  debt  had  left  boroughs  and                                                                    
municipalities   often  to   pay  for   the  projects.   She                                                                    
referenced  recent research  from  Institute  of Social  and                                                                    
Economic Research  (ISER) demonstrating the cost  shift from                                                                    
the  state   to  municipalities  and  local   boroughs.  She                                                                    
highlighted that the 19 REAA  districts end up having to use                                                                    
general  funds for  maintenance  in many  cases, which  took                                                                    
away from classrooms.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:27:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  referenced  Dr.  Parady's  statements                                                                    
that the  state only  had information from  school districts                                                                    
that had submitted [a six-year  plan request] and there were                                                                    
a  large portion  of  districts that  had  not provided  the                                                                    
information.  He asked  how good  the  information was  from                                                                    
school  districts that  had provided  it.  He remarked  that                                                                    
just  because a  district submitted  a request,  it did  not                                                                    
mean it  was an  accurate reflection of  the actual  need of                                                                    
the school district.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady  answered that  it was  always her  position that                                                                    
school districts  were putting forward the  best information                                                                    
they could. She relayed that  administration had been cut so                                                                    
severely in the majority of  districts across the state that                                                                    
often  it   was  one  administrator   trying  to   pull  the                                                                    
information  together  because  they could  not  afford  the                                                                    
expertise of an engineer or  architect. She believed in good                                                                    
faith  that  applications  were   submitted  with  the  best                                                                    
information districts  were able to put  together. She could                                                                    
not speak to it beyond that.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:28:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady moved to a table  on slide 8 showing a handful of                                                                    
projects that had  been on the major  maintenance list since                                                                    
2018.  She  noted  that  2018  was  the  farthest  back  the                                                                    
information on  the DEED website  went. She pointed  out the                                                                    
projects in  Yupiit and  Kake that had  dropped on  the list                                                                    
over the last  seven years. She explained it  was an example                                                                    
of  why  many districts  were  frustrated  with the  current                                                                    
process of funding  projects and why many did  not apply for                                                                    
funding. She  elaborated that knowing  that the cost  of the                                                                    
application may not  lead to receiving funds  to fix schools                                                                    
for over a  decade or possibly ever was  a disincentive. The                                                                    
DEED list  for the  current year  included 84  projects, but                                                                    
there were many  more that school districts  had not applied                                                                    
for  through the  application process  because  of the  cost                                                                    
barrier.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:29:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady turned  to slide 9 and pointed to  a photo of the                                                                    
McGrath School  attic showing  ice in  tarps located  in the                                                                    
Iditarod School  District. She noted  it was project  62 [on                                                                    
the DEED  list]. She  stated that  many of  Alaska's schools                                                                    
were falling apart  or in serious need,  especially in rural                                                                    
and  remote districts.  She  elaborated  that students  were                                                                    
going to buildings that were  partially condemned, had leaky                                                                    
roofs,  and  black  mold. She  remarked  that  the  learning                                                                    
environments  and  working  conditions  were  not  safe  for                                                                    
students  or   educators.  She  stressed  that   Alaska  was                                                                    
struggling to recruit and retain  educators. She stated that                                                                    
in these  conditions educators were exercising  their option                                                                    
to leave. Her strongest concern  was that students who lived                                                                    
in  the communities  generally did  not have  the option  to                                                                    
leave. She provided an example  of a student trying to learn                                                                    
to read  or do math with  a leaky roof dripping  in a bucket                                                                    
behind  them. She  believed  they needed  to  do better  for                                                                    
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady  relayed that the  committee would hear  from the                                                                    
LKSD  [Lower  Kuskokwim  School  District],  which  was  the                                                                    
largest rural  school district in  Alaska and the  fourth or                                                                    
fifth largest  school district overall. She  noted that LKSD                                                                    
is  an  REAA  and  would  provide  the  committee  with  its                                                                    
perspective.  Additionally, the  committee  would hear  from                                                                    
two of  the largest school districts  about their particular                                                                    
experience.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:31:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady  turned to  slide 10  showing images  of deferred                                                                    
maintenance that  were not  included on  the DEED  CIP list.                                                                    
The first image showed  splitting due to foundation failures                                                                    
at the Galena  School, which was one of  the state's largest                                                                    
correspondence schools.  She stressed that the  building was                                                                    
literally  splitting in  half.  The elevator  in the  Kuspuk                                                                    
School  District office  had been  out of  service for  many                                                                    
years,  creating  barriers  for  people  in  wheelchairs  to                                                                    
attend school  board meetings.  She emphasized  that schools                                                                    
were  community   meeting  places  [in  rural   areas].  She                                                                    
underscored  that  not   having  operational  elevators  was                                                                    
prohibitive to  citizens. Additionally, schools  operated as                                                                    
emergency centers in  most of Alaska. The  slide also showed                                                                    
an  image  of  deteriorating  boilers in  the  Copper  River                                                                    
School District. She elaborated that  one of the boilers had                                                                    
blown  and  the  district  had  to  allocate  $800,000  from                                                                    
somewhere  to  cover  the  cost.  The  impacts  of  deferred                                                                    
maintenance were affecting students from day to day.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady  turned to additional  images showing  impacts of                                                                    
deferred  maintenance on  slide 11.  The image  on the  left                                                                    
showed the  deterioration of the  bathroom floor  in Nikolai                                                                    
School located  in the Iditarod  School District,  which was                                                                    
another unlisted project.  The center image was  number 4 on                                                                    
the DEED list  for exterior siding cracking  at the Soldotna                                                                    
High School.  The photo on  the right showed  standing water                                                                    
under  the Chevak  school,  which was  currently  24 on  the                                                                    
list.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady moved  to proposed  solutions on  slide 12.  The                                                                    
first solution  on the  list was  to increase  state capital                                                                    
funding.  The  second  item  was   to  develop  a  long-term                                                                    
maintenance  strategy. A  strategy should  consider how  the                                                                    
state was  monitoring and  planning for  the issue  and what                                                                    
kind of  strategic steps were  in place. The third  item was                                                                    
to  ensure equitable  resource distribution,  which did  not                                                                    
necessarily  seem to  be in  place. The  fourth item  was to                                                                    
review and update the application  process. She did not know                                                                    
that it was  necessary to separate lists  for REAA districts                                                                    
and  municipal/borough districts,  but it  was necessary  to                                                                    
acknowledge they were not similarly  situated and to account                                                                    
for  that  in  some  way.  The  last  item  was  to  provide                                                                    
engineering  and architectural  support  for districts  that                                                                    
could not afford it in order  to even the playing field. The                                                                    
slide included  an image of a  flooded septic tank due  to a                                                                    
pump  failure  in  the Lake  and  Peninsula  Borough  School                                                                    
District.   She  appreciated   the   committee's  time   and                                                                    
attention to what she considered to be a big black hole.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:35:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski  asked  for  details  about  the                                                                    
Council  of School  Administrators. He  asked if  Dr. Parady                                                                    
was a state employee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady replied  that ACSA was over 50 years  old and was                                                                    
a  private nonprofit.  She  was not  a  state employee.  The                                                                    
organization was  formed to support education  in Alaska and                                                                    
had  been  successfully doing  so  for  over 50  years.  The                                                                    
organization represented all  superintendents, secondary and                                                                    
elementary  school  principals, school  business  officials,                                                                    
and a host of other school administrators and educators.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski asked  how many  people were  in                                                                    
the organization and how it was funded.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady answered  that ACSA was a  private nonprofit. The                                                                    
organization  braided funding  like  most nonprofits.  There                                                                    
was  a   division  within  ACSA  called   the  Alaska  Staff                                                                    
Development  Network that  provided the  greatest amount  of                                                                    
professional   development   to  all   educators   including                                                                    
teachers  in Alaska.  The organization  put  on the  largest                                                                    
education conference  in the state, MTSS/RTI.  She explained                                                                    
that  most school  districts  had not  been  able to  afford                                                                    
travel for  professional development out of  state for quite                                                                    
some time. Historically, educators were  able to travel to a                                                                    
reading  conference or  some other  professional development                                                                    
conference, but those  days were gone. She  shared that ACSA                                                                    
brought in  the best  high quality  professional development                                                                    
providers  in order  for educators  in Alaska  to have  some                                                                    
access to professional development in person and virtually.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady explained  that she  was  providing examples  of                                                                    
braiding. The Department of  Education and Early Development                                                                    
often looked to  ACSA to support efforts DEED  was trying to                                                                    
accomplish. For  example, ACSA had  recently become  the hub                                                                    
for  teacher recruitment  and  retention  for Alaska.  After                                                                    
education funding,  recruitment and retention were  the next                                                                    
most  important  issues.  The organization  was  working  on                                                                    
recruitment  and   retention  in  three  ways.   First,  the                                                                    
organization  was working  on the  governor's taskforce  for                                                                    
teacher  recruitment  and   retention.  The  taskforce  made                                                                    
several  good recommendations  that  ACSA was  implementing.                                                                    
One of  the items  was an omnibus  bill focused  on specific                                                                    
items to  make it  easier to  attract and  retain educators,                                                                    
such  as removing  barriers to  make it  easier to  teach in                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Paraday  addressed the  second way  ACSA was  working on                                                                    
recruitment and retention. She  detailed that [University of                                                                    
Alaska] President Pat Pitney asked  about a year ago if ACSA                                                                    
would  consider   administering  Alaska   Teacher  Placement                                                                    
(ATP). She explained  it had been the  historic program used                                                                    
for job fairs  to attract teachers and  other educators. She                                                                    
explained that  in the last  year there were  more districts                                                                    
attending than  applicants and President Pitney  asked if it                                                                    
may be  a better fit  to ACSA  in order to  maximize virtual                                                                    
job  fairs and  do training  for educators  to recruit.  The                                                                    
third  strand   was  international   hire.  The   state  was                                                                    
increasingly  reliant on  international  teachers coming  to                                                                    
Alaska.  She expounded  that ACSA  opened a  job application                                                                    
process  and   within  15  minutes   there  were   over  700                                                                    
applicants  from  international  sources.  The  organization                                                                    
worked  closely  with the  University  of  Alaska to  employ                                                                    
every graduate.  She highlighted  that the  school districts                                                                    
had started the  year out down 600  certified positions. She                                                                    
stated that students deserved  teachers; therefore, ACSA was                                                                    
working double  time to help  districts fill  positions. She                                                                    
stated  that running  a nonprofit  in Alaska  made a  person                                                                    
very resourceful and efficient.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:40:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski asked  how the  organization was                                                                    
funded.  He   asked  if  the  organization   received  state                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady  answered that  the organization  received grants                                                                    
in  addition  to  the  two  sources  she  mentioned  in  her                                                                    
previous response. The organization  had written many grants                                                                    
to support school districts across  the state that it helped                                                                    
to administer  and manage. She  was happy to talk  about the                                                                    
topic offline.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum referenced  a  comment  by Dr.  Parady                                                                    
that  funding was  needed  for REAAs  and  city and  borough                                                                    
schools, but  they were situated  differently. He  asked for                                                                    
clarification.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady explained  that she meant that  costs had shifted                                                                    
to  local  governments  when municipal  and  borough  school                                                                    
districts had  unexpected major maintenance events.  In REAA                                                                    
situations, the opportunity did not exist.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum asked  who should  be responsible  for                                                                    
funding school  buildings. He asked  if the state  should be                                                                    
responsible, the  local community should be  responsible, or                                                                    
a combination of both.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Parady replied  that it  was her  perspective that  the                                                                    
state   was   responsible.   She  believed   the   Kasayulie                                                                    
settlement  would agree.  She remarked  that  in a  previous                                                                    
hearing  during   the  current  session  a   legislator  had                                                                    
suggested perhaps  it was time  for Kasayulie 2.0  given the                                                                    
state of disrepair of the facilities.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum knew  that the  number of  students in                                                                    
Alaska's schools  was declining,  and the square  footage of                                                                    
facilities   was  growing.   He  noted   that  it   did  not                                                                    
necessarily  mean that  a school  building itself  would not                                                                    
need  to be  replaced.  He highlighted  the facilities  were                                                                    
aging  and like  all aging  facilities, even  if the  square                                                                    
footage  was  growing  because  students  were  leaving  the                                                                    
school,  did  not  necessarily   mean  there  would  not  be                                                                    
recapitalized costs of building new schools moving forward.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:44:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard stated  that  she had  not heard  Dr.                                                                    
Parady  answer the  question about  where ACSA  received its                                                                    
grant  money. She  asked how  much funding  the organization                                                                    
received from the state and where it obtained other funds.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady  responded that she  was happy to follow  up with                                                                    
the  information. She  did  not have  the  breakdown of  the                                                                    
different braided funds on hand.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard  asked why the presenter  did not have                                                                    
the information on hand.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Parady replied  that she came to the  committee to speak                                                                    
about  the  state  of disrepair  of  the  facilities  across                                                                    
Alaska, which  she believed she  had done a fairly  good job                                                                    
of. She  had no  understanding that  the committee  would be                                                                    
interested in  ACSA's private  nonprofit balance  sheet. She                                                                    
was happy to talk about the information offline.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  confirmed that  Dr. Parady had  been asked                                                                    
to come  speak to some of  the needs across the  state. They                                                                    
could  follow  up  offline to  answer  additional  committee                                                                    
member  questions. He  thanked  the presenter.  He asked  to                                                                    
hear from the LKSD.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:45:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW  ANDERSON,  SUPERINTENDENT,  LOWER  KUSKOKWIM  SCHOOL                                                                    
DISTRICT,   BETHEL   (via    teleconference),   provided   a                                                                    
PowerPoint  presentation   titled  "School   District  Major                                                                    
Maintenance," dated March 21, 2025  (copy on file). He began                                                                    
on slide 2 titled  "Lower Kuskokwim School District (REAA)."                                                                    
The LKSD was  Alaska's largest rural school  district in the                                                                    
number  of schools,  students, and  staff,  comprised of  21                                                                    
villages, 26 schools (the differences  between the number of                                                                    
villages  and schools  were  the schools  in  Bethel or  the                                                                    
district  offices  in  the  region  hub),  and  about  3,800                                                                    
students.  He  noted  there  had been  some  impact  on  the                                                                    
student  population  in  the COVID-19  pandemic  years.  The                                                                    
district  was  located  approximately   400  miles  west  of                                                                    
Anchorage  and the  district encompassed  the lower  part of                                                                    
the Kuskokwim  River delta.  He described  that many  of the                                                                    
villages were located  on the river, there were  some on the                                                                    
coast,  and  a  few  located  northwest  of  Bethel  on  the                                                                    
tributary  areas called  the tundra  villages. The  district                                                                    
was  Alaska's  second  largest  geographical  district  with                                                                    
roughly  22,000  square  miles   (about  the  size  of  West                                                                    
Virginia).                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson advanced  to slide  3 titled  "LKSD ~  Another                                                                    
Perspective":                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   • LKSD  maintains over  130 buildings  (excluding teacher                                                                  
     housing)                                                                                                                   
   • Representing  almost 1  million  square  feet of  space                                                                  
     (900,355ft2)                                                                                                               
   • With  a replacement  cost of  almost 1  billion dollars                                                                  
     ($905,921,860.00)                                                                                                          
   • With    deferred    major    maintenance    costs    of                                                                  
     $313,802,331.00 (~ 35% of replacement)                                                                                     
   • Deferred maintenance  is a huge  lift for  the district                                                                  
     to tackle and some sites cannot wait                                                                                       
   • The average  cost of  repair per  square foot  is about                                                                  
     $500 ($496.97)                                                                                                             
   • Every material  we need  for repairs  must be  flown or                                                                  
     barged in                                                                                                                  
   • Aging facilities have advanced needs                                                                                     
   • Climate change  and other environmental  concerns cause                                                                  
     funding crises                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  elaborated on  the slide.  He noted  that many                                                                    
school  districts could  not  afford  inhouse expertise  for                                                                    
much   of  the   work,  especially   for  more   significant                                                                    
maintenance;   therefore,   contractual    costs   were   an                                                                    
additional  cost compared  to  an inhouse  cost. He  relayed                                                                    
that as aging facility needs  were not met, the needs became                                                                    
more advanced  and costly. Unmet needs  could gradually lead                                                                    
to the need for  facility replacement instead of renovation.                                                                    
He added  that in rural Alaska,  the deteriorating condition                                                                    
of facilities  was not only  a concern with regard  to basic                                                                    
cost,  but the  environmental  issues were  very serious  as                                                                    
well.  He would  address  the  issue in  more  detail on  an                                                                    
upcoming  slide.  He  highlighted  several  communities  and                                                                    
schools  facing  rapid  river  erosion  and  the  associated                                                                    
costs. The  bottom of  the slide  listed various  schools he                                                                    
would address on subsequent slides.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:52:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson moved to slide  4 titled "Anna Tobeluk Memorial                                                                    
School   Renovation  Addition,   Nunapitchuk  project."   He                                                                    
relayed  that Nunapitchuk  was one  of  the tundra  villages                                                                    
located northwest of Bethel. The  project had been submitted                                                                    
for consideration in  2019 and was number 2 on  the CIP list                                                                    
in FY  24. The project had  dropped to number 3  on the list                                                                    
in  FY  25  and  number  6 in  FY  26.  There  were  various                                                                    
maintenance costs including  glulam replacement (substantial                                                                    
foundational support systems for  the school), and fuel tank                                                                    
abatement. He pointed to a  photo in the upper right showing                                                                    
fuel  tanks leaning  dramatically.  He  elaborated that  the                                                                    
tanks  contained fuel  that needed  to be  carefully removed                                                                    
and  dealt  with.  The  tanks   needed  to  be  retired  and                                                                    
hopefully  eventually moved.  He noted  that the  tanks were                                                                    
located close to the edge of  the river. He explained it was                                                                    
an example of facility degradation  and what could come from                                                                    
a significant environmental impact.  The photo in the center                                                                    
of  the slide  showed  an abandoned  building, which  should                                                                    
ideally  be taken  down. He  stated  it was  a fire  control                                                                    
system  that needed  to be  replaced, and  the district  was                                                                    
still  getting   engineering  specs  to  move   the  project                                                                    
forward.  He  relayed that  the  other  pieces were  forward                                                                    
funded to maintain integrity within facilities.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:54:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson  advanced  to  slide   5  showing  the  Newtok                                                                    
relocation/replacement K-12  school, Mertarvik  project. The                                                                    
slide showed  one of  two of the  most recent  serious river                                                                    
erosion issues. The Mertarvik project  involved a new school                                                                    
coming  online  in the  summer  of  2025. In  the  meantime,                                                                    
students were  attending school in a  converted warehouse in                                                                    
very compromised learning conditions.  He noted the dates on                                                                    
the photos showing the community  of Newtok were not exactly                                                                    
correct.  The upper  photo showed  containers  lined up  for                                                                    
deconstruction  of  the  community  and  many  would  remain                                                                    
onsite  for  the  continued  deconstruction  of  the  school                                                                    
building located  behind the containers in  the upper photo.                                                                    
He highlighted the  dramatic erosion of the river  up to the                                                                    
school building  and the fuel  tanks. He relayed that  as of                                                                    
the present day, the school buildings had been demolished.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:56:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson turned  to slide  6 showing  Napakiak erosion,                                                                    
which had  been accelerated  by disastrous spring  ice break                                                                    
up and  heavy summer  storms. The  community was  located 20                                                                    
miles southwest of  Bethel on the main river.  He pointed to                                                                    
a photo in the upper left  of the slide dated June 16, 2024,                                                                    
showing the distance  between the bank of the  river and the                                                                    
school building at 29 feet.  He noted that prior to Memorial                                                                    
Day the  distance was 59  or 60  feet. A photo  dated August                                                                    
27,  2024, showed  the  river bank  up to  the  edge of  the                                                                    
building. The photo on the  bottom right dated September 21,                                                                    
2024, showed the  building had been taken down  under a very                                                                    
accelerated  timeframe of  hazardous  materials removal.  He                                                                    
reported  that  the  new  school   for  Napakiak  was  under                                                                    
construction and  due to come  online during the  summer. He                                                                    
explained that  because a construction crew  had been onsite                                                                    
and there was  money available within the fund,  it had been                                                                    
transferred  to  remove the  school  on  a very  accelerated                                                                    
timeframe with  particular urgency around  the environmental                                                                    
impact of the school going  into the river. The district was                                                                    
very fortunate to  be able to access existing  funds for the                                                                    
new school.  The district  was hoping  extra funds  would be                                                                    
available  through  the FY  26  CIP  application process  to                                                                    
backfill funding used for the  deconstruction of the school.                                                                    
The district had been encouraged  by DEED of the possibility                                                                    
of  adding the  funds as  a supplemental  in the  FY 26  CIP                                                                    
list, but there were no guarantees.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:59:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  advanced to  slide 7  pertaining to  the Akula                                                                    
Elitnauvik  K-12  school  renovation in  Kasigluk-Akula.  He                                                                    
highlighted   that  the   initial   conditions  survey   was                                                                    
completed  in 2016  and the  cost estimates  for the  repair                                                                    
were much lower  than when it was funded on  the CIP list in                                                                    
FY 25. The  highest cost option for  renovation was $476,541                                                                    
in 2016 and had increased to  $4.5 million in FY 19 and $5.8                                                                    
million in FY  25. He relayed that  the increase represented                                                                    
the rapid  deterioration of buildings  when things  were not                                                                    
taken  care  of  in  a  timely  manner.  The  increase  also                                                                    
reflected  the   additional  cost  of  inflation   as  delay                                                                    
continued.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  turned to slide  8 titled "Bethel  Campus Fire                                                                    
Upgrade  funded  in  FY  19  for $2,955,464  in  FY  24  add                                                                    
$252,526." He pointed to an image  on the right of the slide                                                                    
showing a  water tank used  for fire protection on  the main                                                                    
Bethel campus, which included four  school buildings and the                                                                    
district  office. He  relayed there  were  daily efforts  to                                                                    
bring  it to  a  deconstruction and  replacement place.  The                                                                    
cost of the bids were  higher than the available funding and                                                                    
the district continued to try  to work toward a solution. In                                                                    
the meantime, the district was  dipping into general revenue                                                                    
in order to hold the facility in a stable condition.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  moved to slide  9 showing images of  bulk fuel                                                                    
tanks.  He underscored  that bulk  fuel  was a  tremendously                                                                    
important issue. The tanks shown  in the middle of the slide                                                                    
were located  in Newtok and the  image on the left  showed a                                                                    
much larger  fuel tank  farm. He explained  that all  of the                                                                    
tanks  needed  to  be drained  and  disassembled.  The  cost                                                                    
estimate  for doing  the work  on the  larger tank  farm was                                                                    
currently $150,000. The  district's operations director told                                                                    
him  many  of  the   tanks  were  scattered  throughout  the                                                                    
district  at different  school sites.  Slide  10 included  a                                                                    
forward funded  project for the Lower  Kuskokwim Gladys Jung                                                                    
Elementary  School  in Bethel  that  was  not reimbursed  by                                                                    
DEED. The  slide highlighted what  was occurring due  to the                                                                    
project's  placement  well  down   the  DEED  CIP  list.  He                                                                    
recognized that  many school districts had  very significant                                                                    
and  serious  needs;  therefore,  it  was  no  surprise  the                                                                    
projects  moved   around  on   the  [DEED]  list,   but  the                                                                    
underlying  reality was  that funding  was not  available to                                                                    
adequately deal with facility needs.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson closed  on slide  11.  He stated  that all  of                                                                    
Alaska's schools were dedicated  to serving students and the                                                                    
communities   where  they   live,   play,   and  learn.   He                                                                    
underscored   that   providing  equitable   facilities   was                                                                    
critically important. He thanked  the committee for its time                                                                    
and was available for questions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage thanked the presenter.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:04:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDY DEGRAW, CHIEF OPERATIONS  OFFICER, FAIRBANKS NORTH STAR                                                                    
BOROUGH  SCHOOL DISTRICT  (via  teleconference), provided  a                                                                    
PowerPoint  presentation   titled  "School   District  Major                                                                    
Maintenance: Fairbanks  North Star Borough  School District"                                                                    
dated  March  21, 2025  (copy  on  file).  He noted  he  was                                                                    
speaking  in support  of an  increased  investment in  major                                                                    
maintenance  and  capital  construction.  He  began  with  a                                                                    
district overview  on slide 2.  The slide showed  the number                                                                    
of   students,  total   square   footage,   the  number   of                                                                    
facilities,  and  the average  age  of  the facilities.  The                                                                    
district  had a  significant number  of buildings  that were                                                                    
over 35 years  old. The district's most  recent building was                                                                    
constructed  in 2016,  and the  oldest building  was Lathrop                                                                    
High School built in the early 1950s.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeGraw  turned  to  a   chart  showing  the  district's                                                                    
deferred maintenance history on  slide 3. The chart depicted                                                                    
a sharp increase in deferred  maintenance in the mid to late                                                                    
teens and reaching  about $367 million in  the current year.                                                                    
He advanced  to capital  improvement plan projects  on slide                                                                    
4.  The  slide  showed  the  lifecycle  of  renovations  and                                                                    
replacements  to  maintain  a   building.  There  were  four                                                                    
primary phases that school districts  follow to renovate and                                                                    
keep buildings  upgraded through their lifecycle.  He stated                                                                    
that  keeping up  with the  phases preserved  the investment                                                                    
and  extended the  life of  a  building and  its ability  to                                                                    
remain open and serving students.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeGraw detailed that it  was a good investment to follow                                                                    
the  phases  and  remain  up   to  date.  Phase  1  included                                                                    
classroom upgrades, phase 2  included exterior upgrades such                                                                    
as  roofs,  phase 3  included  mechanical  upgrades such  as                                                                    
heating, and  phase 4 included site  improvements. The slide                                                                    
included  the number  of years  where  work was  recommended                                                                    
associated  with each  phase. He  highlighted that  the last                                                                    
phase 1 upgrade  in the Fairbanks School  District (FSD) was                                                                    
20 years back. He underscored  that Tanana Middle School was                                                                    
50 years  old and the  classrooms were original.  He pointed                                                                    
out   that  the   recommended  replacement   [for  classroom                                                                    
upgrades] was  20 to 25  years. He emphasized that  the vast                                                                    
majority of  the buildings were on  original boiler systems.                                                                    
The district  was not doing preventative  maintenance on the                                                                    
systems; it  was doing reactive replacements  as the systems                                                                    
failed. The district  was on its third failure  of the year,                                                                    
and the North Pole High School  boiler was in the process of                                                                    
failing. There  was currently an emergency  process in place                                                                    
to replace it. He highlighted  that because the HVAC systems                                                                    
were  original,  spare  parts  were  not  available  through                                                                    
normal  distribution  channels.  He informed  the  committee                                                                    
that  staff were  regularly on  eBay and  Amazon.com finding                                                                    
obsolete out of date spare  parts. He stressed that close to                                                                    
half of the  schools in the district had zero  of the phases                                                                    
done. He  reiterated that the  average age of  the buildings                                                                    
was over 40 years old.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:09:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeGraw  addressed  maintenance priority  guidelines  on                                                                    
slide  5. Fire,  life, and  safety and  safety and  security                                                                    
were main  components that had  to be  addressed immediately                                                                    
as situations  arose. He  stated that  supplemental services                                                                    
included  items  that  were  breaking  down  that  were  not                                                                    
necessarily critical  to fire,  life, safety,  and security.                                                                    
Examples  included  a  broken water  fountain  or  aesthetic                                                                    
damage to the inside of  a building that was not necessarily                                                                    
safety   related.  The   last   category  was   preventative                                                                    
maintenance. He stated that it  was extremely beneficial for                                                                    
districts to be  able to focus on  preventive maintenance to                                                                    
keep   systems  up   to  date   and  working   properly.  He                                                                    
underscored  that it  was much  less  expensive to  maintain                                                                    
systems  in  a preventative  manner  than  in a  reactionary                                                                    
manner. Additionally,  it was better for  overall efficiency                                                                    
of running a  building. He highlighted the  link between the                                                                    
lack of  general fund  funding for  education in  Alaska and                                                                    
capital and  major maintenance funding.  He shared  that FSD                                                                    
had  been  forced  to  reduce  staff  significantly  in  its                                                                    
facilities  department  to   the  point  where  preventative                                                                    
maintenance  was not  possible.  The  district was  strictly                                                                    
focused on  reactionary emergency  responses to  fire, life,                                                                    
safety,  and security  situations. There  was a  direct link                                                                    
between the  lack of general  fund funding - where  when FSD                                                                    
had to make cuts, it went  as far away from the classroom as                                                                    
possible,   which    was   unfortunately    the   facilities                                                                    
department.  He noted  that  when the  cuts  were made,  the                                                                    
district quickly  realized the  facilities staff was  not as                                                                    
far  away  from  the  classroom  as  originally  thought  as                                                                    
facilities were  not functioning as  well as they  could be.                                                                    
He remarked that negative  situations could certainly impact                                                                    
learning in the classroom.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeGraw included a  chart reflecting maintenance staffing                                                                    
reductions from FY 11 to FY  26. There was not necessarily a                                                                    
significant decline between FY 11 and  FY 21, but it was the                                                                    
time  that  the  lack  of   major  maintenance  and  capital                                                                    
investments started  to "rear its head."  While the district                                                                    
had  relatively  the  same number  of  staff,  the  workload                                                                    
dramatically increased  as buildings began to  wear down due                                                                    
to a  lack of investment.  In FY  22, out of  necessity, the                                                                    
district   attempted    to   significantly    decrease   its                                                                    
maintenance staff,  but the  district realized  quickly that                                                                    
it was  not sustainable and  had to reinvest  in maintenance                                                                    
staff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:12:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeGraw addressed custodial  staffing reductions on slide                                                                    
7.  He  noted  that  FSD  did  not  have  janitors,  it  had                                                                    
custodians  who  participated   in  routine  and  preventive                                                                    
maintenance. The  reduction in positions  was due to  a lack                                                                    
of   general   funding,   which  negatively   impacted   the                                                                    
preventative   maintenance   the   district  was   able   to                                                                    
accomplish  in  its  buildings. Slide  8  included  a  table                                                                    
showing the  district's projects currently on  the state CIP                                                                    
list. He  highlighted that the district  did not necessarily                                                                    
have a  project located high  on the list. The  district had                                                                    
been forced  to reduce numerous administrative  positions in                                                                    
its  facilities department  that  were  responsible for  the                                                                    
upfront leg  work on  condition assessments  and engineering                                                                    
reports in order to move projects  up the state list. Due to                                                                    
the  lack of  capacity, the  district had  a difficult  time                                                                    
doing   appropriate  condition   assessments   to  get   its                                                                    
buildings  ranked  higher  on the  list.  For  example,  the                                                                    
Tanana  Middle School  was a  50-year old  building and  the                                                                    
classroom upgrades were only 59 on the list.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeGraw concluded  the presentation  on slide  9 showing                                                                    
images  illustrating the  district's [deferred  maintenance]                                                                    
challenges. The photo  in the upper left of the  slide was a                                                                    
boiler at the  North Pole High School that  had been leaking                                                                    
out its side. The  middle upper photo depicted deteriorating                                                                    
exterior siding  that could create structural  issues if not                                                                    
addressed. Other photos showed  roof leaks and more interior                                                                    
items.  He  thanked  the committee  and  was  available  for                                                                    
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked  when FSD had last  had a project                                                                    
in the top 10 on the [DEED] major maintenance list.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeGraw  answered that  it was about  six to  seven years                                                                    
back and it was taken off  the list. He would follow up with                                                                    
the precise information.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp pointed  out that it was rare  to see a                                                                    
Fairbanks   school  project   in  the   top  10   for  major                                                                    
maintenance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp   did  not   see  the   Ticasuk  Brown                                                                    
Elementary School on the list.  He understood the school had                                                                    
some renovations  that were  supposed to  be made.  He asked                                                                    
what happened.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeGraw  responded that  he  would  follow up  with  the                                                                    
information. He stressed that Fairbanks  had dealt with more                                                                    
acute  financial challenges  than many  other districts.  He                                                                    
underscored that  Fairbanks had closed seven  schools in the                                                                    
past  three to  four years,  which represented  close to  20                                                                    
percent of the schools in  the district. He highlighted that                                                                    
maintenance  administrative  cuts  had tied  the  district's                                                                    
hands and hamstrung  its ability to get  projects funded. He                                                                    
stated that the  district was actively trying  to remedy the                                                                    
problem.  He added  that the  district had  projects on  the                                                                    
list in the  past and due to various  circumstances they had                                                                    
not been funded.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage thanked the presenter.  He noted there were                                                                    
questions     from     Representative    Tomaszewski     and                                                                    
Representative Bynum  but due to  the time, they  would have                                                                    
to be addressed offline. He moved to the last presentation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:17:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK  HAUSER,   SUPERINTENDENT,  JUNEAU   SCHOOL  DISTRICT,                                                                    
provided a  PowerPoint presentation titled  "School District                                                                    
Major Maintenance: Juneau School  District," dated March 21,                                                                    
2025  (copy  on file).  He  thanked  the committee  for  the                                                                    
opportunity to testify. He provided prepared remarks:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Within  these  capitol   walls  with  functioning  fire                                                                    
     suppression,  sprinklers, heating,  and running  water,                                                                    
     our  Alaskan kids  and their  standardized test  scores                                                                    
     are  frequently compared  to those  of students  across                                                                    
     the country. So,  I thought it would  be an interesting                                                                    
     comparison    to    really   compare    the    learning                                                                    
     environments. These are  students learning environments                                                                    
     in  Massachusetts [slide  2], which  ranked number  one                                                                    
     among states on the  NAEP test. There in Massachusetts,                                                                    
     the Massachusetts  Building Authority "has  a dedicated                                                                    
     revenue  stream  of  one  penny  of  the  state's  6.25                                                                    
     percent   sales   tax   and   is   collaborating   with                                                                    
     municipalities  to  equitably invest  in  educationally                                                                    
     appropriate  solutions  to   create  safe,  sound,  and                                                                    
     sustainable  learning environments."  The Massachusetts                                                                    
     Building Authority has made more  than $17.7 billion in                                                                    
     reimbursements  to cities,  towns, and  regional school                                                                    
     districts for school  construction projects. Instead of                                                                    
     waiting years for  reimbursement, districts now receive                                                                    
     payments from  the building authority at  costs as they                                                                    
     are incurred,  usually within 15  days of  submitting a                                                                    
     request through the MSBA's online Pro-Pay system.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:20:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser turned to slide 3 showing images of Alaskan                                                                          
school environments and read from prepared remarks:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Let's  take a  look  at  Alaskan learning  environments                                                                    
     now. You've  seen multiple  images of  school buildings                                                                    
     and  facilities across  Alaska  in critical  disrepair,                                                                    
     crumbling from  neglect and  barely functional  as safe                                                                    
     learning  environments.  We're  sometimes lucky  if  we                                                                    
     have  things under  50 years  old in  our schools.  Far                                                                    
     from  having new  doors and  windows, our  schools have                                                                    
     leaky  roofs  and doors  that  won't  even shut.  These                                                                    
     realities in  Alaska's schools have an  impact. In case                                                                    
     anyone is  thinking these images  are all  rural areas,                                                                    
     the image  at the bottom  left is just down  the street                                                                    
     in  Alaska's  capital  city, that's  a  leaky  roof  at                                                                    
     Juneau Douglas High School Yadaa.at Kalé.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser briefly addressed slide 4 with prepared remarks:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In the Juneau School District  (JSD) we have over 4,000                                                                    
     students,  nine   school  buildings,   one  maintenance                                                                    
     facility, and  817,400 square  feet of  facility space.                                                                    
     The  average age  of our  schools is  50 years  old; 55                                                                    
     percent of our schools are greater than 50 years old.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:20:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser reviewed slide 5 with prepared remarks:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     In  FY  2025,  the  Juneau  School  District  Board  of                                                                    
     Education  closed  three  schools  as  part  of  school                                                                    
     consolidation.  Three buildings  were released  back to                                                                    
     the City  and Borough of Juneau.  The maintenance needs                                                                    
     I'm  talking about  today are  after the  Juneau School                                                                    
     District   completed  arguably   one  of   the  largest                                                                    
     consolidation  plans and  turned  over three  buildings                                                                    
     including  the   major  maintenance  needs   for  those                                                                    
     buildings to the city and borough.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:20:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser turned to slide 6 and provided prepared remarks:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  Juneau  School  District  utilizes  the  following                                                                    
     prioritization guidelines and  evaluation criteria when                                                                    
     considering  major   maintenance,  CIP,   and  deferred                                                                    
     maintenance projects:  safety, security,  protection of                                                                    
     structure,  impact on  learning environment,  impact on                                                                    
     working environment,  environmental sustainability, and                                                                    
     aesthetics.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:21:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hauser  addressed the  major  maintenance  CIP list  on                                                                    
slide 7:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     This is the  major maintenance CIP list  for the Juneau                                                                    
     School  District.  The  top two  priorities,  Dzantik'i                                                                    
                   _                                                                                                            
     Heeni  and  Kaxdigoowu   Héen  Elementary  School  Roof                                                                    
                      _                                                                                                         
     replacements were currently 70 and  77 on the state CIP                                                                    
     list. The other  four items on the  list, including the                                                                    
     remodeling  of Mendenhall  River  Community School,  do                                                                    
     not even have a ranking number on the CIP list.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser  moved to a  photo of Mendenhall  River Community                                                                    
School (MRCS)  on slide  8. He  highlighted that  the school                                                                    
had the  original 1983 construction  and bright  red carpet.                                                                    
The school did not have a ranking on the CIP list.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:21:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hauser turned  to slide  9 and  detailed that  MRCS was                                                                    
over 40  years old and the  only thing done to  the building                                                                    
was the installation of a new roof in 1999. He read from                                                                        
prepared remarks:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     There is not a secure  entryway that provides monitored                                                                    
     line of  sight for school  visitors. It was built  at a                                                                    
     different  time in  education  and school  construction                                                                    
     and  has  not  been  remodeled in  recognition  of  the                                                                    
     changes in  school safety and security,  not to mention                                                                    
     the normal maintenance and  remodeling needs after four                                                                    
     decades of daily student use.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:22:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser turned to photos of the Juneau Douglas High                                                                          
School roof on slide 10:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     This  is  the  roof   at  Juneau  Douglas  High  School                                                                    
     Yadaa.at Kalé, which also does  not even have a ranking                                                                    
     on the  CIP list. The  roof was last replaced  in 1992.                                                                    
     Water has  infiltrated the rubber membrane  and swelled                                                                    
     up  the underlayment  substructure. Leaks  are frequent                                                                    
     and ongoing.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:22:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser advanced to slide 11 with prepared remarks:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     I've just been at  a joint facilities committee meeting                                                                    
     with the City  and Borough of Juneau  talking about the                                                                    
     possibility  of a  bond if  bond debt  reimbursement is                                                                    
     reinstated  on July  1.  With  bond debt  reimbursement                                                                    
     reinstated  we would  potentially  be able  to fix  the                                                                    
     roof along with heating  and ventilation systems across                                                                    
     the  district, and  other  needed  safety and  security                                                                    
     upgrades. A  researcher and  economist from  Yale notes                                                                    
     that  on   average  bond   authorization  significantly                                                                    
     raises   test   scores  "spending   on   infrastructure                                                                    
     renovation and upgrades, such as  HVAC or roofs, raises                                                                    
     test scores  but not  house prices.  Bond authorization                                                                    
     is   most    beneficial   in   districts    with   more                                                                    
     disadvantaged student populations..."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:23:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser continued to address bond debt reimbursement on                                                                      
slide 12 with prepared remarks:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Without  school  bond   debt  reimbursement  there  are                                                                    
     competing priorities  that make bonds  very challenging                                                                    
     for communities. Local  governments must balance school                                                                    
     infrastructure  needs with  other pressing  issues like                                                                    
     public safety, road  maintenance, and general municipal                                                                    
     services. Here  in Juneau, our  local government  has a                                                                    
     massive  task  in   addressing  glacial  lake  outburst                                                                    
     floods.  In  addition,   the  municipality,  like  many                                                                    
     others,  is struggling  with an  aging water  and sewer                                                                    
     infrastructure   system.    Replacing   aging   piping,                                                                    
     treatment   basins,  and   filtration   systems  is   a                                                                    
     significant draw  on local tax  bases and  our expenses                                                                    
     that  can't be  ignored. Assemblies  only have  so much                                                                    
     capacity,  and as  utility debt  becomes more  and more                                                                    
     needed, there's that much less room for anything else.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson asked where the photo had been taken                                                                     
on the slide 12.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser replied that the slide showed an aerial photo of                                                                     
the Mendenhall River during the glacial outburst flooding.                                                                      
He continued to address slide 12 with prepared remarks:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Without bond debt  reimbursement some communities would                                                                    
     be  better  positioned  to   pass  bonds  than  others,                                                                    
     creating equity  concerns among districts.  Many Alaska                                                                    
     school  buildings  are  aging and  require  significant                                                                    
     upgrades. Without bond  debt reimbursement, communities                                                                    
     may  delay  or  downsize  projects  leading  to  higher                                                                    
     maintenance costs in the long  run. There has only been                                                                    
     one school bond  in Juneau since the  moratorium and as                                                                    
     this picture depicts, we had  flooding up to the school                                                                    
     doors  with the  last  glacial outburst.  Three of  our                                                                    
     Juneau  schools could  be  impacted  by future  glacial                                                                    
     outbursts.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:24:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser advanced to slide 13 JSD deferred maintenance                                                                        
backlog with prepared remarks:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     We've  seen some  images from  Juneau schools  already.                                                                    
     Like   most  districts   across  Alaska,   we  have   a                                                                    
     maintenance  backlog. Ours  is over  $7.5 million  from                                                                    
     over  a decade  of near  flat funding,  limited funding                                                                    
     for capital  projects, and the moratorium  on bond debt                                                                    
     reimbursement.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:25:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser continued to slide 14 with prepared remarks:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Deferred  maintenance  leads  to  increased  facilities                                                                    
     costs. Here  are some  more images  from just  down the                                                                    
     road at Juneau Douglas High  School. This is the Juneau                                                                    
     Douglas  High  School  boiler   spewing  water  and  an                                                                    
     original 1956  chimney that has failed  and is starting                                                                    
     to  collapse. There  are also  needs at  Glacier Valley                                                                    
     Elementary  School  for  a  water  heater  as  well  as                                                                    
     ventilation  and heating  upgrades including  coils and                                                                    
     computer control systems across the district.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:25:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser  turned to a  picture of the Dzantik'I  Heeni gym                                                                    
floor  on slide  15.  The gym  was  originally installed  in                                                                    
1994.  He highlighted  buckling and  bubbling on  the floor,                                                                    
which was  leading to  safety concerns  for students  in the                                                                    
building.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:25:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser turned to slides 16 and 17 and provided prepared                                                                     
remarks:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I'd  like  to close  with  another  comparison that  is                                                                    
     recently being  made between  our Alaska  students here                                                                    
     again  in their  learning environment  and Mississippi.                                                                    
     Our  Alaska student,  five year  old  Nolan Adam  Smith                                                                    
     says, "Let me  show you why I'm so smart  and my school                                                                    
     is so  junky." But  in Mississippi,  as of  March 2024,                                                                    
     Mississippi districts have  spent nearly $362.6 million                                                                    
     on facility  related priorities.  The majority  of this                                                                    
     spending  amounted   to  $296.8  million   to  building                                                                    
     reconstruction  and remodeling  projects  such as  HVAC                                                                    
     upgrades  and replacements,  bathroom renovations,  and                                                                    
     roof  repairs.  As  a   senior  policy  analyst  notes,                                                                    
     "Though  it might  seem  counterintuitive  to focus  on                                                                    
     facility  repairs  when   students  need  instructional                                                                    
     support,  research  underscores   the  role  of  school                                                                    
     facilities  in shaping  student  achievement and  well-                                                                    
     being. Well  maintained and adequately  equipped school                                                                    
     environments   positively  influence   school  academic                                                                    
     performance    and    motivation,   while    inadequate                                                                    
     facilities  contribute to  absenteeism, health  issues,                                                                    
     and diminished cognitive abilities."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:27:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser turned to slide 18 with prepared remarks:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An   investment   in   school  facilities   and   major                                                                    
     maintenance  capital  projects   is  an  investment  in                                                                    
     student  academic  outcomes.  Research  links  improved                                                                    
     classroom  ventilation  and  school  environments  with                                                                    
     reduced illness absences and chronic absenteeism.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:27:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser addressed increased test scores and academic                                                                         
success on slide 19:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An   investment   in   school  facilities   and   major                                                                    
     maintenance  impact   student  test   scores.  Improved                                                                    
     classroom  ventilation and  temperature  led  to an  11                                                                    
     point  increase in  mathematics scores  and effects  of                                                                    
     similar magnitude, but  higher variability, for reading                                                                    
     scores  and  science   scores.  "Improving  the  school                                                                    
     building  may  well be  the  most  overlooked means  of                                                                    
     improving   student   health,  safety,   and   academic                                                                    
     performance."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:27:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser advanced to slide 20 with prepared remarks:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Looking  at  data from  a  Los  Angeles Unified  School                                                                    
     District,  students who  attended  a newly  constructed                                                                    
     school   yielded  improvements   in  test   scores  and                                                                    
     attendance,   suggesting   that   attending   a   newly                                                                    
     constructed school for four  years can eliminate almost                                                                    
     half of the math achievement  gap and almost 20 percent                                                                    
     of the English gap.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:28:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hauser turned to slide 21 and concluded the                                                                                 
presentation with words from a Yale economist:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     "Increased  capital spending  in schools  significantly                                                                    
    improves test scores and is efficient on average."                                                                          
Mr.  Hauser  urged  the  legislature  and  the  governor  to                                                                    
reinstate  bond  debt  reimbursement   program  as  well  as                                                                    
committing adequate funding to  address the backlog of major                                                                    
maintenance  and  capital  improvement projects  across  the                                                                    
state, especially in rural districts.  He shared that he was                                                                    
the son of an oil field  rig worker who kept workers safe on                                                                    
the  North Slope.  He quoted  his  father: "Pay  now or  pay                                                                    
later." He stressed  that students could no  longer wait. He                                                                    
stressed that every student in  Alaska deserved an education                                                                    
and school  facility with heat  and running water  and roofs                                                                    
and  walls  that  protect  them  from  the  environment.  He                                                                    
emphasized  that   every  student  in  Alaska   deserved  an                                                                    
education in  a school  facility that is  safe, structurally                                                                    
sound, and  conducive to learning. He  thanked the committee                                                                    
for its time.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:28:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage   thanked  the  presenter.  He   moved  to                                                                    
questions from members.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski remarked  that  Fairbanks had  a                                                                    
capital   improvement  project   and   funded  schools   and                                                                    
maintenance.  He asked  if the  City and  Borough of  Juneau                                                                    
(CBJ)  had   a  capital  improvement  project   or  facility                                                                    
maintenance  fund  it funded  annually.  He  noted that  Mr.                                                                    
DeGraw almost made it sound  like Fairbanks had not done any                                                                    
projects. He shared  that when he had been  on the Fairbanks                                                                    
Assembly, it  had consistently  brought the  school projects                                                                    
up to  the top of  the list and got  them funded out  of its                                                                    
own  maintenance  reserve  account.  He  asked  if  CBJ  had                                                                    
similar capital improvement projects.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hauser answered  that CBJ  had  a deferred  maintenance                                                                    
fund that the  school district was able  to utilize annually                                                                    
to address emergent needs such  as the leaking boiler he had                                                                    
shown  in  an  image  of the  Juneau  Douglas  High  School.                                                                    
However,  when  looking  at the  totality  of  the  deferred                                                                    
maintenance capital improvement projects  and costs for some                                                                    
of the maintenance repairs, it  exceeded the available funds                                                                    
in the CBJ deferred maintenance fund.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:30:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  referenced  discussion  about  school                                                                    
districts losing  space due  to the  closure of  schools. He                                                                    
noted  that student  populations were  going down.  He noted                                                                    
that nationally  there were  standards for  space allocation                                                                    
per student based  on the grade level. He asked  if JSD took                                                                    
the  guidelines/studies  into   consideration  when  talking                                                                    
about  what constituted  an adequate  space for  students in                                                                    
classrooms.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hauser  replied  that  JSD had  undergone  one  of  the                                                                    
largest consolidation programs by  closing three schools. He                                                                    
explained that  the enrollment  numbers were  a part  of the                                                                    
decision made  by the  board. There  were school  size codes                                                                    
that  limited  the  number  of  students  in  buildings.  He                                                                    
elaborated that the district made  decisions to ensure there                                                                    
were   facilities  and   space  to   support  the   existing                                                                    
enrollment numbers.  The district had reports  including the                                                                    
number  of  students that  could  fit  in any  space  (i.e.,                                                                    
classrooms,  gyms,  music  rooms),  which  was  followed  as                                                                    
students were placed. When the  three school facilities were                                                                    
given back to  CBJ, it was with the cost  data. He explained                                                                    
that one  of the facilities,  the Marie Drake  building, had                                                                    
some  of  the  highest  deferred maintenance  costs  on  the                                                                    
books. When the  district looked at the  space for students,                                                                    
it  was  always  looking  to   ensure  it  fell  within  the                                                                    
educational guidelines.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum remarked  that some  of the  districts                                                                    
had talked  about constricting  maintenance staff.  He asked                                                                    
if JSD  considered the cost  impact that reducing  one staff                                                                    
member responsible  for preventative maintenance  could have                                                                    
on  major  maintenance  in  the   future.  For  example,  in                                                                    
healthcare, the continuum of care  mattered. He asked if JSD                                                                    
was  taking   the  issue  into  consideration   when  making                                                                    
staffing plans for maintenance staff.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hauser   responded  affirmatively.  In  an   effort  to                                                                    
maintain   the   instructional  component   with   teachers,                                                                    
paraeducators, and support staff  in the classroom, often it                                                                    
was  the  staff  who  were   not  seen  everyday  that  were                                                                    
essential   to  school   maintenance,   food  service,   who                                                                    
suffered. The district made  reductions to maintenance staff                                                                    
over  the  years.  He  believed  Representative  Hannan  had                                                                    
spoken  to the  subject earlier  in the  meeting. He  stated                                                                    
that  the  maintenance staff  did  all  of the  plowing  and                                                                    
without  sufficient staff  for  the job,  there were  safety                                                                    
issues  with  students  and staff  getting  to  school.  The                                                                    
district had  a fire  in one  of its  schools the  past week                                                                    
when a switch burnt out  in a heating system, which required                                                                    
an evacuation.  He stated that  having staff to  address the                                                                    
issues and  get the buildings  back into shape  for students                                                                    
to  be back  in the  classroom was  essential. He  explained                                                                    
that  without the  maintenance staff  in place  to meet  the                                                                    
needs  of the  square  footage it  would  be detrimental  to                                                                    
student learning.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:34:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan   pointed  out   that  Superintendent                                                                    
Hauser  was an  example of  an Alaskan  grown educator.  She                                                                    
detailed that  he grew  up in  Anchorage, went  to Anchorage                                                                    
schools,  and would  have options  to be  employed anywhere.                                                                    
She thought  Superintendent DeGraw  in Fairbanks was  a high                                                                    
school  graduate   from  that   district.  She   noted  that                                                                    
superintendents like that understood  rural and urban Alaska                                                                    
and  had  witnessed  better  days.  She  was  grateful  they                                                                    
committed to staying in Alaska.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage  agreed  Alaska  was  lucky  to  have  the                                                                    
superintendents. He thanked Mr. Hauser for his testimony.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage handed the gavel  to Co-Chair Josephson for                                                                    
an announcement related to the operating budget.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  set  an   amendment  deadline  for  the                                                                    
operating budget to committee  substitute (CS) 1 for Tuesday                                                                    
March  25  at  5:00  p.m.  He  provided  details  about  the                                                                    
schedule.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:38:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson asked if  bill version GH-14621\I was                                                                    
the operating  budget, and the  CS 1 Co-Chair  Josephson was                                                                    
referring to.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  clarified that the operating  budget, HB
53, was version GH-1462\I. The  mental health budget, HB 55,                                                                    
was GH-1459\I.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:38:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:38 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
(H) Finance Committee DEED Major Maintenance for School Facilities Presentation (03-21-25).pdf HFIN 3/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 54
DEED FY26 School Construction and Major Maintenance Final Lists.pdf HFIN 3/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 54
Final SB237 Report 2025 HB 54.pdf HFIN 3/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 54
MEHS Deferred Maintenance Projects Status (08-2024).pdf HFIN 3/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 54
25.3.21 JSD Major Maintenance Slides -ACSA.pdf HFIN 3/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 54
2025 ACSA Major Maintenance - House Finance .pdf HFIN 3/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 54
2025 LKSD House Finance Presentation.pdf HFIN 3/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 54
House Finance Presentation Fairbanks.pdf HFIN 3/21/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 54