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04/23/2024 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:34:23 PM Start
01:36:14 PM Presentation: Historical Capital Budget Information
02:38:50 PM Presentation: Fy 25 Capital Improvement Projects School Major Maintenance Grant Fund and School Construction Grant Fund
03:56:38 PM Adjourn
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+= SB 187 APPROP: CAP; REAPPROP; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
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- Historical Capital Budget Information by
Legislative Finance Division
- FY 25 Capital Improvement Projects School Major
Maintenance Grant Fund and School Construction
Grant Fund by Department of Education and Early
Development
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+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 23, 2024                                                                                            
                         1:34 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:34:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  called the House Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:34 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative DeLena Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Alexei  Painter,  Director,  Legislative  Finance  Division;                                                                    
Michael   Partlow,  Fiscal   Analyst,  Legislative   Finance                                                                    
Division; Lori  Weed, School Finance Manager,  Department of                                                                    
Education and  Early Development; Laurel  Shoop, Legislative                                                                    
Liaison, Department of Education and Early Development.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Lisa Parady,  Executive Director,  Alaska Council  of School                                                                    
Administrators,  Juneau;  Terri   Walker,  Northwest  Arctic                                                                    
Borough   School   District,  Kotzebue;   Cynna   Gubatayao,                                                                    
Ketchikan Gateway Borough,  Ketchikan; Andrew Ratliff, Chief                                                                    
Financial  Officer,  Anchorage School  District,  Anchorage;                                                                    
Kim Sweet,  Director of  Operations, Lower  Kuskokwim School                                                                    
District,  Bethel;  Scott  Ballard,  Superintendent,  Yupiit                                                                    
School  District, Akiachak;  Jamie Burgess,  Superintendent,                                                                    
Nome  Public  Schools,  Nome;  Tammy  Dodd,  Superintendent,                                                                    
Bering Strait School  District, Anchorage; Gary Eckenweiler,                                                                    
Director  of  Facilities   and  Maintenance,  Bering  Strait                                                                    
School    District,     Anchorage;    Madeline    Aguillard,                                                                    
Superintendent,  Kuspuk  School   District,  Aniak;  Clayton                                                                    
Holland,  Superintendent,  Kenai  Peninsula  Borough  School                                                                    
District, Soldotna;  Andy Degraw, Chief  Operations Officer,                                                                    
Fairbanks North Star Borough School District, Fairbanks.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 187(FIN) am                                                                                                                
          APPROP: CAP; REAPPROP                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          CSSB 187(FIN) am was HEARD and HELD in committee                                                                      
          for further consideration.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: HISTORICAL CAPITAL BUDGET INFORMATION                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  FY  25  CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT  PROJECTS  SCHOOL                                                                    
MAJOR MAINTENANCE  GRANT FUND AND SCHOOL  CONSTRUCTION GRANT                                                                    
FUND                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 187(FIN) am                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   making  appropriations,   including  capital                                                                    
     appropriations, supplemental  appropriations, and other                                                                    
     appropriations;    making   reappropriations;    making                                                                    
     appropriations    to    capitalize   funds;    amending                                                                    
     appropriations; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: HISTORICAL CAPITAL BUDGET INFORMATION                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:36:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI  PAINTER,  DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE  FINANCE  DIVISION,                                                                    
introduced himself.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   PARTLOW,  FISCAL   ANALYST,  LEGISLATIVE   FINANCE                                                                    
DIVISION, introduced himself.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Painter   introduced   the   PowerPoint   presentation                                                                    
"Alaska's  Historical Capital  Budget Spending"  dated April                                                                    
23, 2024 (copy  on file). He briefly offered  an overview of                                                                    
the presentation  on slide  2. He continued  to slide  3 and                                                                    
detailed the unrestricted general  fund (UGF) capital budget                                                                    
and oil  prices. The  slide depicted  a graph  that compared                                                                    
the UGF capital budget by year  by oil price and there was a                                                                    
relationship  between the  two. The  capital budget  amounts                                                                    
often changed  according to available revenue.  During years                                                                    
with  significantly  higher  oil  prices  nearing  $100  per                                                                    
barrel, the  capital budgets often  reached over  $1 billion                                                                    
and  sometimes over  $2 billion.  When the  oil prices  were                                                                    
depressed, the capital budget dropped to $100 million.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued to slide  4 which depicted the  FY 05                                                                    
to FY 24  UGF and UGF-supported capital budgets.  One of the                                                                    
tools that  had been  utilized in the  past for  the capital                                                                    
budget  was  bonding.  The state  constitution  limited  the                                                                    
total  amount that  could be  utilized for  bonding for  the                                                                    
operating budget,  but a general obligation  (GO) bond could                                                                    
be approved by  voters for capital projects.  There had been                                                                    
several GO  bonds approved in  the past,  but a GO  bond had                                                                    
not been  posed to the  voters since  FY 15. The  slide also                                                                    
showed the  UGF that was used  for a match and  UGF that was                                                                    
not used for a match.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter advanced  to slide 5 and explained  that from FY                                                                    
05 to  FY 15,  the capital budgets  averaged just  over $900                                                                    
million of UGF  and about $2.3 billion total.  If GO bonding                                                                    
was included,  the average would  be about $1.1  billion UGF                                                                    
per year.  The peak year was  FY 13 with over  $2 billion of                                                                    
UGF and about  $500 million of bonding. In total,  the FY 13                                                                    
capital budget  was about $2.5 billion.  There was depressed                                                                    
revenue in  FY 16  through 21  and capital  budgets averaged                                                                    
$123 million  in UGF  and about $1.5  billion in  total. The                                                                    
state could reappropriate lapsing  balances of past projects                                                                    
from peak spending years to  new projects, which helped keep                                                                    
spending  afloat.  As  old projects  were  closed  out,  the                                                                    
balances  had  dried  up.  There  was  currently  much  less                                                                    
funding available  for reappropriation than there  was after                                                                    
large  capital  budgets.  From FY  22  through  24,  capital                                                                    
budgets  increased as  there had  been  slightly higher  oil                                                                    
prices. Capital budgets averaged  $531 million per year over                                                                    
the last few years.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:40:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  returned briefly to  slide 4 to point  out that                                                                    
there had  been three  eras of the  capital budget  over the                                                                    
last  20  years.  There  was the  era  of  relatively  large                                                                    
budgets through FY 15, the  era of depressed budgets from FY                                                                    
16 to  FY 21, and  the era of  mid-size budgets in  the last                                                                    
three years.  He suggested that  FY 25  was likely to  be in                                                                    
the mid-sized range.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  understood  that the  price  of  oil                                                                    
mattered,  but there  were  elements at  play  as well.  She                                                                    
asked  if  there  were  nuanced  oil  and  gas  tax  regimes                                                                    
involved. She thought  the way oil and gas  were taxed would                                                                    
also be relevant. The overall  revenue from oil seemed to be                                                                    
more relevant than the price of oil.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded  that  slide  3  incorporated  three                                                                    
distinct tax  regimes, but the  big driver of the  change in                                                                    
revenue  was  price. The  years  in  which tax  regimes  had                                                                    
changed  coincided with  years in  which prices  had changed                                                                    
significantly. In the  low revenue years, the  impact of the                                                                    
tax regime change was minimal.  At current prices, UGF would                                                                    
be about $300 million based on the fall forecast.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:43:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan relayed that  earlier in the week, she                                                                    
had a conversation  with someone about $42  million that had                                                                    
been put aside for the  Juneau Access Project. The money had                                                                    
been  sitting allocated  to  the project  for  eight to  ten                                                                    
years. She  asked if  the money  could be  reappropriated to                                                                    
something else.  She wondered how  long the money  would sit                                                                    
untouched before it could be  appropriated or whether it was                                                                    
not in the control of the legislature.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that he  would address the question on                                                                    
a later slide in the presentation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz referred to slide  3. He asked if there                                                                    
was  any connection  between larger  capital  UGF spend  and                                                                    
greater advantages to the spend  through federal dollars and                                                                    
match  dollars.   He  wondered   if  federal   dollars  were                                                                    
sometimes  more  available  even   if  there  was  less  UGF                                                                    
incorporated into  the budget. He  asked if it  was relevant                                                                    
to say that the more UGF in  the budget, the easier it is to                                                                    
leverage federal monies for capital expenditures.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that the  question was  an appropriate                                                                    
segue into the next few slides about UGF match.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:45:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued on slide 6.  From FY 06 to  FY 15, an                                                                    
average of  about 8  percent of the  UGF capital  budget was                                                                    
used  to match  federal funds.  The state  also occasionally                                                                    
met  the  match through  bonding.  In  FY 05,  the  matching                                                                    
requirement was met almost  completely through bonding. From                                                                    
FY  16 through  FY 21,  match made  up 44.5  percent of  the                                                                    
capital budget.  The amount that  was spent on  match during                                                                    
the  time period  did not  vary  significantly; the  budgets                                                                    
were simply  smaller. From FY 22  to FY 23, the  spend began                                                                    
to decrease  as the budgets  became mid-sized. In FY  24 and                                                                    
FY  25, there  was more  capital money  and federal  capital                                                                    
money available.  The FY 24  and FY 25 capital  budgets were                                                                    
larger and about  half the budget was once  again being used                                                                    
for match because of the influx of federal funds.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter added  that the  state was  not receiving  more                                                                    
federal  funds than  it was  10 years  ago if  inflation was                                                                    
considered. The  funding from the  Infrastructure Investment                                                                    
and Jobs Act (IIJA) appeared as  a spike, but it made up for                                                                    
over 20 percent  of the inflation cost on  the projects. The                                                                    
state was  not necessarily completing more  projects, but it                                                                    
had  to spend  more money  to complete  more projects  to be                                                                    
eligible for  a federal  match. In  FY 25,  the state  had a                                                                    
$143 million  match requirement for $3.1  billion in federal                                                                    
funds,  which was  larger than  the  average capital  budget                                                                    
from FY  16 to  FY 21. The  numbers are  slightly misleading                                                                    
because there was  $1 billion in broadband  dollars that did                                                                    
not require  a match and  was a one-time  appropriation that                                                                    
would  last  for  five  years.   Generally,  the  state  had                                                                    
received more  federal funds and a  higher match requirement                                                                    
in recent years than 10 years ago.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter continued  to slide  7 and  explained that  the                                                                    
federal  match  was  allocated  to  three  main  areas:  the                                                                    
federal aid highway  match of $87.2 million  to match $822.4                                                                    
million  of federal  funds; the  federal aid  aviation state                                                                    
match of  $39.9 million to  match $404.7 million  of federal                                                                    
funds;  and  the Village  Safe  Water  (VSW) and  wastewater                                                                    
match of  $22.9 million to  match $265.3 million  of federal                                                                    
funds. He  explained that  VSW expanded  substantially under                                                                    
IIJA, but  the matching  requirements had not  increased for                                                                    
the  state.  The state's  match  requirements  had also  not                                                                    
increased  for  Department   of  Transportation  and  Public                                                                    
Facilities   (DOT)  projects.   However,  the   federal  UGF                                                                    
requirement had  increased substantially with  the increased                                                                    
amount of funds available.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:48:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson understood  that if  it was  2016,                                                                    
the  state would  need to  take  advantage of  all the  IIJA                                                                    
funds and  related infrastructure  dollars. The  state would                                                                    
either need  to draw from the  Constitutional Budget Reserve                                                                    
(CBR) or  pay out  a smaller  dividend. He  asked if  he was                                                                    
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  responded in the  affirmative. The  state would                                                                    
need  to come  up with  additional funds  to fully  meet the                                                                    
federal  match.  The  state  would  either  need  to  reduce                                                                    
funding  in other  areas  or raise  revenue.  He noted  that                                                                    
projects  were about  20 percent  cheaper  about five  years                                                                    
prior. He thought  that DOT had seen  price escalations more                                                                    
than inflation alone. He suggested  that the state's revenue                                                                    
had perhaps not grown with  inflation. Although oil had some                                                                    
statistical   relationship  with   inflation,  it   was  not                                                                    
overwhelmingly strong.  There had  been an  increased demand                                                                    
for   spending  without   compensatory  revenue   increases,                                                                    
although coincidentally,  oil prices  were higher  than they                                                                    
were five years ago.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  advanced to slide  8 and relayed that  over the                                                                    
last  20 years,  the  total UGF  match  averaged about  21.5                                                                    
percent of UGF and bonded  capital budgets. There were a few                                                                    
significant items beyond  a federal match. One  of the items                                                                    
that  received funding  was construction  maintenance lists,                                                                    
which were prioritized lists that  he would discuss over the                                                                    
next  couple of  slides.  The lists'  funding averaged  15.4                                                                    
percent of  the capital  budgets from  FY 05  to FY  24. The                                                                    
items that  had received  the largest percentage  of funding                                                                    
over  time had  been  agency projects,  which were  projects                                                                    
that were  being undertaken by  a state agency, such  as the                                                                    
Department of  Fish and  Game (DFG)  purchasing a  vessel or                                                                    
building  an engineering  building  at  the university.  The                                                                    
projects  aimed   to  create   or  maintain   state  assets.                                                                    
Additionally, grants  to non-state recipients  averaged 20.7                                                                    
percent of UGF  and bonded capital budgets from FY  05 to FY                                                                    
24. The  grants were provided  to entities other  than state                                                                    
government  to  create  or maintain  a  capital  asset.  For                                                                    
example, the  grants could be provided  to municipalities, a                                                                    
named recipient, like a nonprofit, or school districts.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter advanced  to  slide 9  which  showed through  a                                                                    
graph  how  much  the  capital budget  had  changed  by  UGF                                                                    
category from  FY 05 to  FY 24. The  blue bar on  the bottom                                                                    
represented  the  match  and the  red  bar  represented  the                                                                    
priority lists. The main lists  were for school construction                                                                    
and the deferred maintenance of  state facilities. The green                                                                    
bar represented  the grants to non-state  recipients and the                                                                    
purple  represented  state  assets, which  was  the  largest                                                                    
category. The  graph showed  that there  had been  almost no                                                                    
grants to  named recipients for  several years.  The capital                                                                    
budget was  almost entirely matched.  The big spike  in non-                                                                    
state recipients  was because there  were a couple  of large                                                                    
projects  in the  FY 23  budget for  the Don  Young Port  of                                                                    
Alaska and  the Nome Port.  The ports were  considered named                                                                    
recipients  because  the  funding   was  being  provided  to                                                                    
municipalities, and the funding  represented a large portion                                                                    
of  the capital  budget.  Agency projects  had increased  as                                                                    
well over  the last couple  of years because there  had been                                                                    
larger capital budgets over the last few years.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:53:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued to  slide  10  and the  UGF  funding                                                                    
through  priority lists.  The  main  priority projects  were                                                                    
deferred maintenance  projects and were currently  funded by                                                                    
the executive  branch conducting a  statewide prioritization                                                                    
of  projects. The  governor's office  was provided  with the                                                                    
funds and  the office  then distributed  the funds  to state                                                                    
agencies.  The  judiciary  branch, school  construction  and                                                                    
school  major  maintenance,  and renewable  energy  projects                                                                    
were funded  through the Renewable Energy  Grant Fund (REGF)                                                                    
or  through UGF  appropriations to  the program.  The Harbor                                                                    
Matching  Grant  Program  (HMGP)   was  also  utilized.  The                                                                    
priority lists  were developed by  state agencies  to remove                                                                    
political   considerations   from  the   project   selection                                                                    
process. The  legislature would often  fund however  as many                                                                    
projects as it deemed  appropriate based on available funds,                                                                    
but  the  legislature was  not  "picking  and choosing"  the                                                                    
projects.  The goal  was  for the  selection  process to  be                                                                    
based on objective criteria and not political factors.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter moved to slide 11  which included a graph of the                                                                    
deferred maintenance funding by fund  group from FY 05 to FY                                                                    
25.  In FY  18, there  was legislation  that designated  the                                                                    
capital  income fund  to be  used for  deferred maintenance,                                                                    
which had since become the  largest source used for deferred                                                                    
maintenance.  There was  an initiative  during the  Governor                                                                    
Sean Parnell Administration to spend  about $100 million per                                                                    
year  on deferred  maintenance  from FY  12  through FY  15.                                                                    
Apart   from   the   initiative,   the   state   had   spent                                                                    
significantly less  on deferred maintenance over  the years.                                                                    
Currently,  there   was  $28   million  allocated   for  the                                                                    
governor's office as  well as the Alaska  Court System. Many                                                                    
of the federal receipts were  for the Department of Military                                                                    
and Veterans  Affairs (DMVA). There  had been  a substantial                                                                    
shift from deferred maintenance  being funded through UGF to                                                                    
being primarily funded via the capital income fund.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan commented  that she  was curious  why                                                                    
the state fell  off the cliff on FY  11 deferred maintenance                                                                    
because  it  did not  seem  to  correlate  with any  of  the                                                                    
state's low capital budgets or spend years.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  replied that he did  not want to speak  for the                                                                    
FY  11 legislature,  but sometimes  in the  past, there  had                                                                    
been  concern  that  when  a   large  amount  of  money  was                                                                    
allocated  to deferred  maintenance and  the spend  rate was                                                                    
not as fast  as desired, then agencies  would delay starting                                                                    
the projects.  He suggested  that the  reason for  the delay                                                                    
was that more time was needed  after FY 10, which was a year                                                                    
with a higher spend.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon commented  that  when he  first joined  the                                                                    
House  Finance Committee,  retirement costs  were increasing                                                                    
considerably and  there might  have been  some reallocation.                                                                    
The operating  budget was increasing significantly  as well.                                                                    
The  80s were  an era  of significantly  depressed spending.                                                                    
The  number of  Alaska State  Troopers fell  considerably in                                                                    
the early 2000s as oil  prices increased, and competition in                                                                    
the job  market in  2010 was  likely intense.  The Renewable                                                                    
Energy  Grant was  first funded  in 2008  and weatherization                                                                    
alone would receive $300 million,  while in 2007 it received                                                                    
$3 million. The changes in  spending in the operating budget                                                                    
and  capital budget  had shifted  the trajectory  of overall                                                                    
agency spending.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:58:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  asked for more information  on the                                                                    
original  capitalization  and  draw of  the  Capital  Income                                                                    
Fund. He asked how the fund was being spent.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  replied that the Capital  Income Fund contained                                                                    
proceeds from  the Amerada Hess  deposit into  the Permanent                                                                    
Fund. He explained that $424.5  million in proceeds were set                                                                    
aside in  a fenced-off account  that was not supposed  to be                                                                    
used for  Permanent Fund Dividends.  The fund  was initially                                                                    
designated  for  any  purpose other  than  dividends,  which                                                                    
meant it was  spent freely on the capital budget.  In FY 18,                                                                    
it was  designated specifically for deferred  maintenance to                                                                    
provide a  more consistent  source for  deferred maintenance                                                                    
spending, which was  one of the expenses that was  cut in FY                                                                    
16 and  FY 17. The fund  was considered a UGF  source in the                                                                    
past because  it could  be used for  any purpose  other than                                                                    
dividends.  He explained  that the  amount in  the fund  was                                                                    
simply the revenue derived from $425.5 million in proceeds.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  what  a sustainable  amount                                                                    
would be to draw from the fund.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded  that  because  the  state  was  not                                                                    
growing  the deposit,  the dollar  amount  had remained  the                                                                    
same since  the initial  deposit was made.  Essentially, all                                                                    
of the  income could be spent  every year. The fund  was not                                                                    
connected to the dividend and  could be spent separately and                                                                    
in  its entirety.  The  fund was  sweepable  and the  entire                                                                    
balance of the fund or the  entire deposit into the fund was                                                                    
appropriated  in  the  language section  to  the  governor's                                                                    
office to  fully capture all  the receipts based  on current                                                                    
projections. On average,  about $28 million a  year would be                                                                    
allocated to  deferred maintenance based on  realizing about                                                                    
7 percent  income; however, the amount  would vary depending                                                                    
on the realized income of the Permanent Fund each year.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued  on slide  12  and  detailed  school                                                                    
construction   and   major   maintenance.   The   blue   bar                                                                    
represented  the one-time  appropriation  in FY  05 for  the                                                                    
design,  construction,  and  maintenance of  schools.  Since                                                                    
then, the  state had appropriated  funds mostly  through the                                                                    
major  Maintenance Grant  Fund  or  the School  Construction                                                                    
Grant Fund. There  was an additional fund  source that could                                                                    
be used,  which was  the Regional Education  Attendance Area                                                                    
(REAA)  fund  or REA  fund,  which  was capitalized  in  the                                                                    
operating  budget. The  statutes  governing  the way  school                                                                    
major maintenance  and construction appropriations  could be                                                                    
used had  changed over  time, but  funds could  currently be                                                                    
used for either school  construction or major maintenance in                                                                    
either  the REAAs  or  small rural  districts  that did  not                                                                    
necessarily have a tax base.  He noted that the state funded                                                                    
significant appropriations  in the  past totaling  over $200                                                                    
million at  its peak  in FY  09. The  state spent  over $150                                                                    
million  in   FY  11  on   school  construction   and  major                                                                    
maintenance. Spending dropped off  during low capital budget                                                                    
years but had been on the incline for the last few years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:02:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued  to slide 13 and  detailed funding for                                                                    
renewable  energy  from  FY  05   to  FY  25.  When  revenue                                                                    
decreased,  renewable  energy  funding  became  nonexistent.                                                                    
There was an appropriation to  renewable energy of just over                                                                    
$30 million in FY 13  but there were no other appropriations                                                                    
until FY 23.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  understood that  in FY 17,  the legislature                                                                    
passed   waterfall   legislation    for   the   Power   Cost                                                                    
Equalization  (PCE)  Endowment   Fund  that  contributed  to                                                                    
renewable energy funding in FY 23.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  responded in the  affirmative. There  were some                                                                    
PCE  funds available  under  the  waterfall legislation  for                                                                    
renewable  energy,  which  had contributed  to  the  funding                                                                    
increase. He turned the presentation over to Mr. Partlow.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:04:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Partlow  continued on  slide 14.  He explained  that the                                                                    
Legislative   Finance   Division  (LFD)   designated   house                                                                    
district   locations  for   projects   based  on   available                                                                    
information.  The  locations   were  informational  for  the                                                                    
legislature and  not binding.  He noted  that 74  percent of                                                                    
the Senate's  version of the  capital budget  was classified                                                                    
as  statewide.  Projects  that   did  not  have  a  specific                                                                    
location or a specific impact  limited to only one location,                                                                    
would be given a statewide designation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Partlow clarified  that a  statewide-designated project                                                                    
did not necessarily have a  statewide impact. Priority lists                                                                    
were  always classified  as statewide,  but  the lists  were                                                                    
lengthy and there was usually  only enough available funding                                                                    
for  one  or  two  projects.   While  the  funding  was  for                                                                    
statewide purposes, it  often would only be spent  in one or                                                                    
two  specific  locations. He  noted  that  DOT had  specific                                                                    
allocations   in    both   rural   aviation    and   service                                                                    
transportation.  The UGF  match  portion  was classified  as                                                                    
statewide. For  each project, LFD  could report on  two sets                                                                    
of information:  physical location and impact.  For example,                                                                    
each  University  of  Alaska   (UA)  campus  was  physically                                                                    
located  within  a  single district  but  would  impact  the                                                                    
entire community.  One type of report  would explain exactly                                                                    
where the  project was  located and  the other  report would                                                                    
state the impact of the project.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon  commented that  his  office  had tried  to                                                                    
categorize  funding by  legislative  district, by  statewide                                                                    
designation, by  federal and state  funding sources,  and by                                                                    
other sources.  It was difficult  to break the  funding down                                                                    
precisely  by the  district because  a project  could impact                                                                    
multiple districts  or could  be based  in one  location but                                                                    
impact populations  all over the  state, such as  the Alaska                                                                    
Native  Medical Center  (ANMC) skilled  nursing facility  in                                                                    
Anchorage. He  stressed that his office  knew intimately how                                                                    
difficult  it was  to quantify  benefits by  district.   The                                                                    
capital  budget  every  year   aimed  to  incorporate  state                                                                    
matching   funds  as   well.  He   thought  the   slide  was                                                                    
interesting.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:09:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson added  that she  would like  to know  if a                                                                    
district would be receiving funding  from a project that was                                                                    
not  directly  attributed to  the  district  in the  capital                                                                    
budget. She assumed that it  would be prudent if legislators                                                                    
were alerted of any errors.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Partlow responded in the  affirmative. The intention was                                                                    
to  provide  information  to legislators  and  feedback  was                                                                    
always appreciated.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  added that  she represented  Palmer, which                                                                    
had a significant  court system. She thought it  was hard to                                                                    
understand  that a  courthouse  that resided  in Palmer  was                                                                    
considered a  "personal project." She presumed  that most of                                                                    
her  constituents do  not often  visit  the courthouse.  She                                                                    
asked  if   there  were  any   other  lists   that  provided                                                                    
information about  the projects  in a  non-political manner.                                                                    
She asked if  there was any advice she could  provide to the                                                                    
courts on how to properly handle the situation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  replied  that  the court  system  was  a  good                                                                    
example of a  situation in which the physical  location of a                                                                    
project  was within  one district  while the  impact of  the                                                                    
project  was  felt throughout  the  entire  Mat-Su area  and                                                                    
perhaps  beyond. He  stated that  there  were two  different                                                                    
ways to  report on the  project: by location and  by impact.                                                                    
He  stressed the  importance of  reporting that  the project                                                                    
would be  impacting a  larger area than  Palmer. One  of the                                                                    
challenges  was  approximating  the impact  of  the  project                                                                    
throughout Mat-Su. He noted  that legislative districts were                                                                    
not  always  necessarily  geographic  regions  and  LFD  was                                                                    
trying to make sense of the system.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  relayed that one  of the projects that  LFD had                                                                    
struggled  with   was  the  Dalton  Highway.   The  governor                                                                    
submitted it as a statewide  project and the highway spanned                                                                    
from  Representative  Cronk's   district  to  Representative                                                                    
Thomas  Baker's district,  which were  contiguous areas  but                                                                    
not within a distinct region.  The project was designated as                                                                    
statewide,  but  it  was physically  in  two  districts.  He                                                                    
thought  that   the  process  could  often   be  subjective.                                                                    
Compared to  other states, Alaska's  capital budget  did not                                                                    
have  a particularly  strong evaluative  process due  to the                                                                    
volatility amount  of money that  was available to  spend on                                                                    
capital  projects from  year  to year.  In  some years,  the                                                                    
state might have  $100 million to spend on  projects, and in                                                                    
some years, $2 billion might  be available. It was difficult                                                                    
to have a  baseline capital budget amount  that dictated the                                                                    
minimum annual  spend required to maintain  state facilities                                                                    
and replace state facilities.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter added that an  example was the Fairbanks Pioneer                                                                    
Home which  needed to  be replaced  at a  cost of  over $100                                                                    
million. There  was no  plan or funding  to allocate  to the                                                                    
project and the legislature would  need to decide how to pay                                                                    
for  it. If  the state  had  a $500  million capital  budget                                                                    
every  year,  it might  be  easier  to  plan the  amount  of                                                                    
funding that would  be allocated to various  projects and be                                                                    
able to  plan out  within that amount  what the  state would                                                                    
spend each  year. The volatility meant  that the legislature                                                                    
was often  faced with difficult  choices of how  to allocate                                                                    
funding and determine the state's priorities.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:15:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson asked if the  governor had always moved the                                                                    
court system funding forward in  the past. She asked how the                                                                    
process had historically worked.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that the  question would be best posed                                                                    
to  the court  system.  The court  system  was permitted  to                                                                    
submit its budget to the  state separately because it was an                                                                    
independent  branch of  government.  The governor  typically                                                                    
submitted   the   legislative   and  judiciary   budget   to                                                                    
streamline  the process;  however, the  governor omitted  an                                                                    
item  from  the  court system's  recent  budget  submission,                                                                    
which  was a  violation of  an agreement  made in  the 1960s                                                                    
stating that  the governor would  submit the  court system's                                                                    
budget  on the  court's behalf  with no  changes. The  court                                                                    
system thought that  the omission seemed to  be a preemptive                                                                    
veto  by not  giving that  to  the legislature.  He was  not                                                                    
certain if there was an  agreement on how the capital budget                                                                    
would be  transmitted and whether  it needed to  be included                                                                    
in  the  governor's budget  or  if  the court  system  would                                                                    
request  it  separately. There  was  an  agreement in  place                                                                    
regarding  the  operating  budget that  the  governor  would                                                                    
transmit the court system's budget with no changes.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson asked  if the  agreement was  available to                                                                    
view  and if  there were  related documents  that she  could                                                                    
access.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that  he thought  the  courts had  the                                                                    
agreement stored somewhere. He  had only heard a description                                                                    
of the agreement and had not seen it.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson found the agreement to be a curiosity.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:17:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson commented  that  he  had a  friend                                                                    
called Dr.  Rick Steiner  who was  a retired  naturalist and                                                                    
professor   who  encouraged   Representative  Josephson   to                                                                    
initiate a resiliency  fund. The fund could  help respond to                                                                    
things like fires, landslides, and  floods and he thought it                                                                    
was appropriate  considering the comments about  the Pioneer                                                                    
Home. He asked what he could  tell Dr. Steiner about how the                                                                    
state planned to respond  to the aforementioned occurrences.                                                                    
He added that Dr. Steiner's  focus was on climate mitigation                                                                    
and climate  change mitigation  infrastructure. He  asked if                                                                    
there  was  an  overarching  system  or  if  disasters  were                                                                    
responded to ad hoc.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that  to some  extent,  some of  the                                                                    
events would  be responded to  using disaster  relief funds;                                                                    
however,  there were  also associated  capital implications.                                                                    
There  was an  appropriation in  the current  capital budget                                                                    
for  stabilizing a  dam  in Wrangell  that  was of  emergent                                                                    
concern because  of the Wrangell landslide.  There were past                                                                    
projects that came about after  an Anchorage earthquake that                                                                    
were  not  covered by  insurance  and  did not  qualify  for                                                                    
disaster  relief funds  that were  generally funded  through                                                                    
UGF.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson asked if  he was correct that other                                                                    
states  had a  much  more sophisticated  approach through  a                                                                    
resiliency fund.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that other  states did have resiliency                                                                    
funds. He  explained that Alaska had  larger budget reserves                                                                    
than most states and currently  had $2.7 billion in the CBR.                                                                    
The  state often  did not  have  separate savings  accounts,                                                                    
partly  because of  Alaska's  constitutional prohibition  on                                                                    
dedicated funds.  He agreed that  it was a  common structure                                                                    
in other states with different kinds of financial setups.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  asked if there  was a formal  definition of                                                                    
deferred  maintenance  or  a  definition  that  was  applied                                                                    
uniformly across the university system.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Partlow responded in the negative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  recalled  that in  the  prior  year,                                                                    
someone gave  a presentation about deferred  maintenance and                                                                    
the  committee  asked  what  the   best  practice  was.  She                                                                    
understood  that the  committee  was told  that between  2.5                                                                    
percent and 3  percent of the overall value  of the property                                                                    
would  be  the  expected   expenditure.  She  asked  if  her                                                                    
recollection was correct.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Partlow responded in the  affirmative. He explained that                                                                    
the industry standard of the  amount of money that should be                                                                    
set  aside   for  general  maintenance  to   avoid  creating                                                                    
deferred maintenance was  between 1 percent to  4 percent of                                                                    
the value of a property.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked how  much the state  should set                                                                    
aside.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Partlow responded  that he was reluctant to  do the math                                                                    
on the spot, but estimated that  it would be in the range of                                                                    
$100 million.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin understood that  $100 million would be                                                                    
the average  if the state  were to be  forward-thinking. For                                                                    
example, the Palmer Court System  needed to be replaced, and                                                                    
many other projects needed attention.  She asked if it would                                                                    
make  sense to  take  a different  approach  similar to  the                                                                    
strategy employed by  Governor Sean Parnell's administration                                                                    
and allocate  a pre-determined  amount of money  for capital                                                                    
spend.  She asked  if there  were any  other approaches  the                                                                    
legislature could consider.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Partlow replied  that he could not speak  to the policy,                                                                    
but  the  deferred  maintenance backlog  was  reduced  under                                                                    
Governor  Parnell's  program;  however,it  had  since  grown                                                                    
substantially. He  thought the reduction was  a testament to                                                                    
the effectiveness  of a focused  approach in  addressing the                                                                    
deferred maintenance backlog.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:23:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Partlow  continued on slide  15 and offered  a refresher                                                                    
on  the   timeline  and   effectiveness  dates   of  capital                                                                    
projects. He explained capital  projects were different than                                                                    
operating appropriations  and had a five-year  timeline plus                                                                    
substantial and  ongoing work.  If a  state agency  or grant                                                                    
recipient was continuing to do  substantial and ongoing work                                                                    
on  a capital  appropriation, the  project could  go on  for                                                                    
years.  He noted  that capital appropriations could continue                                                                    
for  up to  20 years  as long  as the  project was  actively                                                                    
being worked on.  Once a capital project  was completed, any                                                                    
remaining   balance   could   be   reappropriated   by   the                                                                    
legislature  for  another  purpose. There  was  a  political                                                                    
agreement  that  when  an   appropriation  in  one  district                                                                    
lapsed,  the appropriation  would  be reappropriated  within                                                                    
the same district.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Partlow explained  that due  to its  extended timeline,                                                                    
the capital budget was funded  slightly differently than the                                                                    
operating budget.  Many of the  items in the  capital budget                                                                    
could be  funded as  supplemental items  if the  funding was                                                                    
available.  Most of  the in-district  discretionary spending                                                                    
in  the   Senate's  current  version   of  the   budget  was                                                                    
accomplished  through   FY  24  items  because   of  funding                                                                    
availability.  He added  that the  Office of  Management and                                                                    
Budget  (OMB)   released  a  document  called   the  Capital                                                                    
Appropriation  Status  Report  (CASR)   as  a  resource  for                                                                    
legislators,  staff,   and  the   public.  The   report  was                                                                    
assembled in  the winter and released  publicly in February.                                                                    
The report offered an update  on every single active capital                                                                    
appropriation and  the status of  every project at  the time                                                                    
of  the report's  assembly. The  report  provided a  contact                                                                    
number  for each  capital project  to receive  an up-to-date                                                                    
assessment  of  the  status  of   the  project  and  whether                                                                    
potential funding would be lapsing.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Partlow  recalled that  Representative Hannan  had asked                                                                    
about Juneau Access Project  appropriations and relayed that                                                                    
there  were  a number  of  previous  appropriations for  the                                                                    
project. As  long as the  funding was ongoing and  there was                                                                    
substantial project activity,  the project could essentially                                                                    
be in  place indefinitely.  The legislature had  the ability                                                                    
to reappropriate  unobligated balances from any  project. If                                                                    
there was no  contractual agreement for the  funding, it was                                                                    
at the  discretion of the  legislature to  reappropriate the                                                                    
funding for a different purpose.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:27:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  what the  term  "ongoing  and                                                                    
substantial" meant.  She asked  whether DOT  would determine                                                                    
whether  a  project like  Juneau  Access   was  ongoing  and                                                                    
substantial.  She   asked  when   the  money   would  become                                                                    
available for reappropriation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Partlow  responded that it  was a determination  made by                                                                    
OMB and it was often highly subjective.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin understood  that  $100 million  would                                                                    
need to  be set aside  if the state  were to engage  in best                                                                    
practices.  She  asked  what the  state's  current  deferred                                                                    
maintenance costs were.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Partlow responded  that he  did not  know the  specific                                                                    
number off  the top  of his  head but  recalled that  it was                                                                    
around $45 million for all different funding sources.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin  understood   that  the   state  had                                                                    
remained at $45 million for  the last three years, which was                                                                    
a loss  of roughly $60  million each year. She  assumed that                                                                    
costs continued to accumulate. She had one more question.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon requested that she hold the question.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  stated  that   she  could  hold  the                                                                    
question but it was important.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  noted that  the committee  would transition                                                                    
to the next presentation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:29:29 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:37:46 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  FY 25  CAPITAL  IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS  SCHOOL                                                                  
MAJOR MAINTENANCE  GRANT FUND AND SCHOOL  CONSTRUCTION GRANT                                                                  
FUND                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon noted  that time  for the  presentation was                                                                    
limited and  he hoped that  comments and questions  would be                                                                    
reduced.  He  encouraged  committee members  to  speak  with                                                                    
department staff offline.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:38:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LORI WEED,  SCHOOL FINANCE MANAGER, DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION                                                                    
AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT, introduced herself.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
LAUREL SHOOP,  LEGISLATIVE LIAISON, DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION                                                                    
AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT, introduced herself.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  introduced the PowerPoint  presentation "State-Aid                                                                    
for  School Capital  Projects: Grant  and Debt"  dated April                                                                    
23,  2024  (copy on  file).  She  advanced  to slide  3  and                                                                    
detailed the state's historic  school capital funding. There                                                                    
were  a few  basic  pieces of  capital  funding of  schools:                                                                    
federal,  state mechanisms  through  the  general fund,  and                                                                    
grants,  including general  obligations  and Alaska  Housing                                                                    
Finance  Corporation (AHFC)  revenue  bonds. Also  available                                                                    
was the  reimbursement program and  school funds,  which she                                                                    
would talk  about in future slides.  Additionally, the local                                                                    
education  agencies (LEA)  and  local contributions  through                                                                    
capital reserves  or through municipal debt.  More recently,                                                                    
the legislature  put into place a  statutory requirement for                                                                    
a school funding report.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed advanced  to  slide  4 and  the  annual report  on                                                                    
school  construction and  major maintenance  funding in  the                                                                    
state. The report  was first completed in 2013  and had been                                                                    
presented annually ever since.  There was approximately $1.7                                                                    
billion in total  funding in both the debt  programs and the                                                                    
grant, grant projects, and the state share.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  continued to slide  5 and explained that  the next                                                                    
slides  would  cover the  information  found  in Handout  #1                                                                    
(copy  on file),  which discussed  the  most current  report                                                                    
required  by  SB  237  [passed  by  the  26th  Alaska  State                                                                    
Legislature  in 2010].  The  report  identified projects  by                                                                    
district and the funding amounts.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:41:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  responded   to  Representative  Galvin's  earlier                                                                    
question about  deferred maintenance.  The last page  of the                                                                    
report  provided  the  estimated  3 percent  that  would  be                                                                    
matching  the  deferred  maintenance for  school  districts,                                                                    
which were separate from the state-owned facilities.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  continued to slide 6  and noted that there  were a                                                                    
couple  of  funding option  mechanisms  that  were in  place                                                                    
through  statute  including  the School  Construction  Grant                                                                    
Fund  (SCGF) and  the Major  Maintenance Grant  Fund (MMGF).                                                                    
More recently,  the legislature put into  place the Regional                                                                    
Educational  Attendance  Area  (REAA)  and  Small  Municipal                                                                    
School District  School Fund (SMSDSF), which  was indexed to                                                                    
the  debt  funding that  was  provided  to municipal  school                                                                    
districts and multiplied by a  constant multiplier. The fund                                                                    
was a  relatively constant monetary  stream and  had allowed                                                                    
the Department of Education and  Early Development (DEED) to                                                                    
phase  funds  and  projects  and   then  follow  up  in  the                                                                    
following year when  the funds were available.  The fund had                                                                    
helped  move forward  projects  on  the school  construction                                                                    
list and helped fund major maintenance.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed moved to slide 7  and relayed that there were seven                                                                    
different  categories of  projects divided  into either  the                                                                    
school  construction  category   or  the  major  maintenance                                                                    
category. Each  project was color-coded  by category  on the                                                                    
slide. She  explained that the school  construction projects                                                                    
were  intended to  avert imminent  danger  or correct  life-                                                                    
threatening   situations,  to   house  students   who  would                                                                    
otherwise be unhoused, or to  modify an existing building to                                                                    
better  fit  the   educational  program.  Major  maintenance                                                                    
projects would  be protection  of structures,  correction of                                                                    
code  deficiencies, or  achieving operational  cost savings.                                                                    
Different entities  were eligible for each  of the different                                                                    
funding streams.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  advanced to slide  8 and detailed the  projects by                                                                    
fund  type. The  school construction  and major  maintenance                                                                    
projects were  eligible for  REAA funds.  Debt reimbursement                                                                    
was  not part  of  the grants.  There  were currently  three                                                                    
small  municipal  districts  and   the  districts  had  been                                                                    
reducing  in number.  The small  municipal school  districts                                                                    
were  eligible for  the  REAA funds  but  larger cities  and                                                                    
districts  were   not.  However,   the  larger   cities  and                                                                    
districts  were  eligible   for  school  construction  major                                                                    
maintenance funding and the debt reimbursement program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:45:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  noted that Handout #2  (copy on file)                                                                    
listed  the debt  of  21 school  districts  and the  state's                                                                    
share  of the  reimbursement.  She understood  that not  all                                                                    
districts had debt.  She asked if the  10 districts included                                                                    
in the handout  with no listed debt would  still be eligible                                                                    
for school  debt reimbursement. She  was confused as  to why                                                                    
some districts without debt were included on the list.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed responded that the  districts likely had prior debt                                                                    
but had not been removed from  the chart. She noted that the                                                                    
state  was  partially   responsible  for  reimbursement  for                                                                    
Anchorage until FY  43. All other schools had  zero debt for                                                                    
several years prior to FY 43.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  if  the  data  on  the  chart                                                                    
included all  of Anchorage's  debt. She  asked if  the chart                                                                    
went  through FY  43  because  it was  inclusive  of all  of                                                                    
Anchorage's debt  or whether the state's  debt obligation to                                                                    
Anchorage extended beyond FY 43.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed responded that the  chart represented the full debt                                                                    
obligation for Anchorage.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed continued on slide  9 and explained that all school                                                                    
districts were  able to apply  through the grant  program to                                                                    
be  eligible for  a Capital  Improvement Project  (CIP). All                                                                    
districts  needed to  submit  a  six-year improvement  plan,                                                                    
have  a  functioning  fixed   asset  inventory  system,  and                                                                    
provide proof of the  required property insurance. Districts                                                                    
also needed  a facility management program  approved by DEED                                                                    
to  demonstrate that  the requested  project  was a  capital                                                                    
project and not routine maintenance.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  advanced to  slide 10 and  relayed that  CIP grant                                                                    
applications  were due  to the  department  from the  school                                                                    
districts  on  or  before  September 1  of  each  year.  The                                                                    
application  materials were  available  on  the website  for                                                                    
public viewing.  Projects would then be  ranked according to                                                                    
the  criteria  that  were  set   out  both  in  statute  and                                                                    
regulation.  After   eligibility  was  confirmed,   the  CIP                                                                    
priority lists  were issued  on November  1 and  final lists                                                                    
were available after the reconsideration period.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  continued to slide  11 and offered an  overview of                                                                    
the grant  participation and eligibility history  from FY 15                                                                    
to FY 25. The chart on  the slide showed the number of total                                                                    
grant  applications   that  had  been  received   for  major                                                                    
maintenance  and school  construction.  It  also showed  the                                                                    
number  of   projects  that   could  have   been  determined                                                                    
ineligible  due to  a variety  of reasons,  usually lack  of                                                                    
documentation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed moved  to slide 12 and a chart  of the grant awards                                                                    
from FY 15 to  FY 24 in the SCGF, MMGF,  and the REAA school                                                                    
fund. There had  been some variety between  the three funds,                                                                    
most consistently in the REAA  fund which was primarily used                                                                    
to fund school construction.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:49:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  continued to  slide 13 which  included a  chart of                                                                    
the total  eligible grant projects and  actual grant funding                                                                    
by fiscal  year. The  specific amounts  funded were  the new                                                                    
appropriations which did  not include re-appropriations from                                                                    
existing funds,  which was  why some years  show a  $0 under                                                                    
amount funded.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed continued  to slide 14 and  the appropriations into                                                                    
the REAA  and SMSDSF.  There had  been instances  of partial                                                                    
vetoes and  full vetoes,  which were  made up  in the  FY 22                                                                    
supplemental. The  total amount  since FY  13 that  had been                                                                    
provided to the REA was just about $470 million.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed advanced  to slide  15  and stated  that the  debt                                                                    
reimbursement program  was established  in AS  14.11.100 and                                                                    
school districts  were required to submit  an application to                                                                    
be eligible. The slide showed  the allocations from the REAA                                                                    
and SMSDF from FY 14 through FY 23.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  moved  to  slide   15  and  explained  that  Debt                                                                    
reimbursement  was  open to  all  cities  except for  "third                                                                    
class" cities.  All districts were  required to have  a six-                                                                    
year  plan,   a  fixed  asset  inventory   system,  adequate                                                                    
property loss  insurance, and  a preventive  maintenance and                                                                    
facility management program certified by the department.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  continued to slide  17 and offered an  overview of                                                                    
debt reimbursement trends over  the years. The program began                                                                    
in  the 1970s  during  which time  the  annual debt  service                                                                    
reimbursement  percentage was  100  percent. The  percentage                                                                    
had decreased  over time  and most recently  was down  to 60                                                                    
percent to 70 percent.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed continued to slide  18 and quickly reviewed a chart                                                                    
of the historic debt  funding amounts by reimbursement rate.                                                                    
She  advanced   to  slide  19   which  showed   the  current                                                                    
outstanding  debt in  the  debt  reimbursement program.  The                                                                    
black line showed the state share of the anticipated debt.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:53:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  continued on  slide 20 which  included a  graph of                                                                    
the  debt reimbursement  trends over  time. There  were some                                                                    
periods of time  in the 80s and 90s which  the state aid did                                                                    
not match the  actual reimbursement. There were  a couple of                                                                    
instances in more recent years  where the debt reimbursement                                                                    
program was partially  or fully vetoed, but  the funding was                                                                    
fully made up in the FY 22 supplemental.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  moved to slide  21 and explained that  after bonds                                                                    
were sold,  the debt department  identified how much  of the                                                                    
approved projects were  funded by the new  bond. A probation                                                                    
for  the bonds  were established  based on  approved project                                                                    
rates.  Districts had  the  option to  request  a refund  or                                                                    
refinancing of  the bonds. The  department ensured  that the                                                                    
refundings would equate to a  cost savings for the state and                                                                    
the districts.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  continued to  slide 22  and detailed  a comparison                                                                    
between various  funding sources.  She reiterated  that REAA                                                                    
funds were available  to all REAA districts  and three small                                                                    
municipal districts.  The projects were funded  based on the                                                                    
DEED  priority  lists.  She  noted  that  there  were  three                                                                    
specific  eligibility requirements  for REAA:  no new  space                                                                    
for  major  maintenance,  only  eligible  space  for  school                                                                    
construction,  and  priority  to  school  construction.  The                                                                    
REAAs had  a 2 percent  participating share in  statute, and                                                                    
the three  small municipalities  range in  the participating                                                                    
share rate  from 10  percent to 20  percent. The  funding of                                                                    
the REAA fund was tied  to the annual appropriation for debt                                                                    
reimbursement.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  continued that the  school construction  and major                                                                    
maintenance  grant  funds  were   available  to  all  school                                                                    
districts. The  funds were  the state  share of  the project                                                                    
costs  and were  ranked in  the priority  list by  DEED. The                                                                    
specific eligibility  requirements were similar to  the REAA                                                                    
fund. Districts  ranged in  the participating  share between                                                                    
the 2 percent for REAAs and  5 percent to 35 percent for the                                                                    
other school districts.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed  added that the debt  reimbursement funding program                                                                    
was available  to any municipality  that had the  ability to                                                                    
bond. The funds were a  portion of the annual municipal debt                                                                    
payments. The local government would  set its own priorities                                                                    
for which  projects get funded,  meaning that  projects that                                                                    
would  not otherwise  be eligible  for grants  would not  be                                                                    
funded.  The  funds  were   particularly  aimed  at  funding                                                                    
projects that were  not eligible for grants  or eligible for                                                                    
additional  space. Districts'  participating shares  were 40                                                                    
percent  of  the  60  percent bonds  if  projects  were  not                                                                    
eligible for space, and 30  percent of the 70 percent bonds.                                                                    
State  funding was  based on  when the  bond was  passed and                                                                    
subject to appropriation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:57:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed continued to slide  23 which included some links to                                                                    
additional  handouts. She  encouraged  committee members  to                                                                    
look through the resources.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon asked  Ms. Weed to elaborate  on the meaning                                                                    
of participating share.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed   responded  that  participating  share   was  the                                                                    
district's participating share that  was calculated when the                                                                    
department  compiled  the  priority  lists.  The  department                                                                    
determined which portion of  the district's requested amount                                                                    
was  eligible   for  funding  in  order   to  determine  the                                                                    
department's  recommended  amount. The  recommended  funding                                                                    
amount   was   then    divided   into   the   aforementioned                                                                    
percentages: the  2 percent  for REAAs and  5 percent  to 35                                                                    
percent for the other  school districts. The department then                                                                    
allocated  the participating  share  plus  the state  share,                                                                    
which together equaled the total DEED recommended amount.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked which  three small districts Ms.                                                                    
Weed had been referring to throughout the presentation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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Ms. Weed responded that Hydaburg,  Kake, and St. Mary's were                                                                    
the three  small districts. There  were two  other districts                                                                    
that were no longer involved.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if the two  districts that were                                                                    
no longer  involved had  now grown  into being  considered a                                                                    
city   and  were   no  longer   eligible  to   be  a   small                                                                    
municipality.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed responded in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  recalled that  the slide  show stated                                                                    
that there  were 19 REAA  districts, three  small districts,                                                                    
and 31  city or  borough districts,  totaling 53  areas. She                                                                    
understood   that   the   fifty-fourth  district   was   Mt.                                                                    
Edgecumbe, which was not part of  the lists because it was a                                                                    
state agency and received state agency UGF funding.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed responded in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  referred to slide 9  and shared her                                                                    
understanding that  the requirements for districts  to build                                                                    
CIPs  was extensive.  She  thought  the requirements  seemed                                                                    
especially  cumbersome  for  smaller  districts  with  fewer                                                                    
resources.   She  asked   if   smaller  districts   received                                                                    
assistance from DEED.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  replied  that  districts had  to  use  their  own                                                                    
resources.  The  department  was available  as  a  technical                                                                    
advisor, but it could not  both assist with the applications                                                                    
and fairly evaluate the applications.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  asked what the vetting  process was                                                                    
for  project estimates.  She asked  who was  responsible for                                                                    
determining  the  cost  for   each  individual  project  and                                                                    
whether DEED  sometimes pushed  back against  the estimates.                                                                    
She asked for more information on the process.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed responded  that DEED  reviewed the  project costs.                                                                    
Districts typically  procured a cost estimation  from either                                                                    
a   design  firm   or  professional   cost  estimator.   The                                                                    
department provided  a conceptual  tool to offer  a baseline                                                                    
estimate  and the  professional estimates  were compared  to                                                                    
the  estimates from  the tool.  The department  reviewed the                                                                    
scope of the project to  ensure that it met the construction                                                                    
and  design standards.  The requested  amounts on  the major                                                                    
maintenance  and  construction  list  were  not  always  the                                                                    
amount  that was  approved  by DEED.  She  shared that  DEED                                                                    
sometimes determined that a project  had an ineligible scope                                                                    
or  the cost  was too  high.  There were  some occasions  in                                                                    
which  DEED increased  a project's  budget  if the  estimate                                                                    
would likely not cover the scope of the project.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe  understood  that if  there  was  a                                                                    
budgetary  discrepancy,   it  would   be  adjusted   by  the                                                                    
department.  The applications  with  discrepancies were  not                                                                    
simply rejected, but the budgets were adjusted by DEED.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed responded in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:04:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson noted  that  Handout  #5 (copy  on                                                                    
file) stated  that Anchorage  was seeking  site improvements                                                                    
at Kincaid Elementary  and he was aware that  a bond package                                                                    
was recently  approved for Inlet  View Elementary.  He asked                                                                    
why  a  district  would  not  bond  Kincaid  and  seek  site                                                                    
improvements for  Inlet View. He asked  for more information                                                                    
about the strategic process.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  responded  that  she  could  not  speak  for  the                                                                    
districts, but the grant  program allowed for reimbursements                                                                    
of costs  and many  of the projects  that Anchorage  had put                                                                    
forward were  bonds that  had been  approved by  voters. She                                                                    
did not  have information  on district's decisions  on which                                                                    
projects to put forward to the voters.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cronk asked what the  cost was for a district                                                                    
to add a project to the major maintenance list.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed responded  that it varied for  each application and                                                                    
the scope  of a  particular project. If  a district  were to                                                                    
employ a grant  writer, costs could add up  quickly. She had                                                                    
seen grant writing services priced  at $2,000 to $3,000. The                                                                    
grant  approval process  was designed  to  ensure that  each                                                                    
element was evaluated and the  project was as cost-effective                                                                    
as  possible.  The  project costs  were  reimbursable  if  a                                                                    
district needed to spend money  to facilitate the completion                                                                    
of a project.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cronk  referred to slide 15  and relayed that                                                                    
he had  worked on  some of  the projects  on the  slide. For                                                                    
example, he was involved in  the cooling and repairs project                                                                    
for Sheldon  Point. The team  hauled millions of  cubic feet                                                                    
of gravel to fill a lake and  poured a cement pad to build a                                                                    
school on top  of it. The team  had to cut the  floor out of                                                                    
the school  to access  the pipes and  now needed  another $3                                                                    
million  to  ensure that  the  cement  pad would  not  sink;                                                                    
however,  it was  likely to  sink.  He asked  how the  state                                                                    
could afford  to build schools costing  hundreds of millions                                                                    
of dollars  across the entire  state. He thought  the school                                                                    
sinking  into  the tundra  spoke  to  poor engineering.  The                                                                    
Sheldon  Point  School  would likely  need  to  be  replaced                                                                    
because it  would sink into  a hole.  He asked who  was held                                                                    
accountable for  such problems. The  state needed  to ensure                                                                    
the  projects were  being  handled  efficiently. He  thought                                                                    
that  new schools  needed to  be built  soundly and  without                                                                    
needing more money from the  state every few years. He found                                                                    
it  especially frustrating  that  Sheldon  Point School  was                                                                    
sinking.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:09:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed responded  that the  department asked  for Geotech                                                                    
investigations  before  building  schools  as  part  of  the                                                                    
process to  catch any errors.  The department  then reviewed                                                                    
the majority of the investigations.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon  remarked  that   the  conversation  was  a                                                                    
perfect segue  into the Sleetmute school  project, which was                                                                    
currently number  23 on  the priority  list. The  school was                                                                    
not accessible  and condemned. He  asked why such  a project                                                                    
would not be higher up on the priority list.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed  responded that  there  were  several reasons  why                                                                    
projects move  up and down  the list. The  Sleetmute project                                                                    
had a request  for its previous score to be  reused to avoid                                                                    
needing  to  submit  a new  application.  There  were  other                                                                    
projects   that  provided   additional  information,   which                                                                    
increased  the project  score. There  were also  several new                                                                    
projects that were not on  the major maintenance list in the                                                                    
prior year that  ranked above Sleetmute, causing  it to drop                                                                    
down  the   list.  Ultimately,  Sleetmute  dropped   in  the                                                                    
rankings by maintaining its score from last year.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon understood  that it  was a  technicality in                                                                    
which  the  real-world  situation  did not  align  with  the                                                                    
priority list. His frustration  was not necessarily directed                                                                    
at anyone in the department,  but he was frustrated with the                                                                    
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Weed responded  that the  Bond Reimbursement  and Grant                                                                    
Review  Committee  recently met  earlier  in  the month  and                                                                    
decided  to review  the  application  process. The  meetings                                                                    
were  publicly noticed  and anyone  was  welcome to  provide                                                                    
comments in  advance and participate in  the meetings during                                                                    
public comment periods.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon asked when the committee would next meet.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Weed responded  that she did not think  the next meeting                                                                    
had been scheduled yet.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  asked if  his office  could be  notified of                                                                    
the next  meeting. He understood  that many  events occurred                                                                    
during the  summer and that it  was a busy time.  He did not                                                                    
understand  why the  Sleetmute school  project had  not been                                                                    
tended to. He agreed  with Representative Cronk's point that                                                                    
spending  $100  million on  a  single  school made  it  very                                                                    
challenging  to work  down the  priority  list. He  recently                                                                    
read an  article stating  that 31  communities in  the state                                                                    
were identified as needing to relocate.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair    Edgmon   noted    that   there    were   several                                                                    
superintendents  and   other  representatives   from  school                                                                    
districts online for invited testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:14:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA PARADY,  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  ALASKA COUNCIL  OF SCHOOL                                                                    
ADMINISTRATORS,  JUNEAU  (via   teleconference),  wanted  to                                                                    
focus on  SB 187  and shed  light on  the critical  need for                                                                    
additional  investment  in  major  maintenance  and  capital                                                                    
construction  for school  districts. The  Alaska Council  of                                                                    
School  Administrators  (ACSA) joint  submission  statements                                                                    
reflected  the  shared  concerns of  the  council's  diverse                                                                    
membership,  which   included  superintendents,  principals,                                                                    
school business officials, and  education leaders across the                                                                    
state. The  safety of students,  staff, and  communities was                                                                    
paramount,  as was  the recruitment  and retention  of high-                                                                    
quality teachers  and educators.  She was grateful  that the                                                                    
committee would  hear directly from  school districts  as it                                                                    
would provide invaluable insight  into the challenges urban,                                                                    
rural,  and  remote  school  districts  across  Alaska  were                                                                    
facing.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Parady  continued  that the  ACSA  supported  reliable,                                                                    
adequate,  and  equitable  investments  and  funding  DEED's                                                                    
school construction  process for capital projects  and major                                                                    
maintenance  to  existing  school district  facilities.  The                                                                    
investments were essential to  afford students and educators                                                                    
a secure  and conducive  learning environment;  however, the                                                                    
state  was  not going  far  enough.  Alaska's public  school                                                                    
infrastructure  faced significant  challenges  with over  55                                                                    
percent  of facilities  exceeding 40  years in  age, and  71                                                                    
buildings  surpassing  the  50-year  mark.  The  maintenance                                                                    
needs  of  the aging  structures  were  mounting, but  state                                                                    
funding  remained  limited.   The  major  maintenance  lists                                                                    
grappled with  a backlog encompassing 95  critical projects,                                                                    
which  were only  representative of  the projects  for which                                                                    
school  districts had  submitted applications.  There was  a                                                                    
"black  hole" of  additional  projects  that some  districts                                                                    
could not afford to contribute  the amount of money required                                                                    
to apply to be considered on the list.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Parady relayed  that although  the council  appreciated                                                                    
the funding allocated  in the current capital  budget for 15                                                                    
projects, the  funding barely scratched  the surface  of the                                                                    
immense   statewide   maintenance   requirements.   Students                                                                    
endured   learning   environments   plagued   by   condemned                                                                    
buildings, black mold, and leaky  roofs, among other issues.                                                                    
Without additional  state support, the  deferred maintenance                                                                    
issues would only  escalate in cost and  severity over time.                                                                    
Beyond  the   immediate  safety  concerns,  the   impact  of                                                                    
neglected  maintenance extended  to teacher  recruitment and                                                                    
retention.  Substandard  facilities and  housing  conditions                                                                    
deter  prospective  educators   from  exasperating  existing                                                                    
challenges  in  attracting  and retaining  qualified  staff.                                                                    
Addressing  the  issues  was  just  one  important  part  of                                                                    
safeguarding  the integrity  of  Alaska's education  system.                                                                    
She   implored   the   committee  to   consider   additional                                                                    
allocations  for major  maintenance  projects and  recognize                                                                    
the urgency and magnitude of  the need across the state. She                                                                    
thought that  a 12 percent  allocation for 15  projects fell                                                                    
far   short   of   adequately  addressing   the   widespread                                                                    
infrastructure challenges faced by  schools. She thanked the                                                                    
committee for its time.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  noted that Ms. Parady  mentioned that                                                                    
55 schools were  over 40 years old. She  assumed the schools                                                                    
were  not all  on the  priority list.  She asked  what would                                                                    
happen when the  schools were in disrepair  but still needed                                                                    
to function. She  asked where the money would  come from and                                                                    
whether  it  would  be  from the  state  or  from  community                                                                    
efforts.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Parady  responded  that the  funding  often  came  from                                                                    
operating  costs,  but it  also  often  landed on  municipal                                                                    
partners. She  relayed that  Nils Andreassen,  the Executive                                                                    
Director  of  the Alaska  Municipal  League  (AML) that  AML                                                                    
often had to come to the  rescue of buildings that were near                                                                    
collapse. The  operating dollars  were stretched as  much as                                                                    
possible and the  flat budgets for the last  decade had made                                                                    
funding difficult.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan noted that  Ms. Parady referenced that                                                                    
the current list  had funding for 15 projects.  She asked if                                                                    
she could conclude that the  current version of the Senate's                                                                    
capital budget  would fund school major  maintenance through                                                                    
project 15 at an aggregate amount of $36.1 million.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Parady responded in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  offered a reminder that  testimony would be                                                                    
limited to  three minutes to allow  everyone the opportunity                                                                    
to speak.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:20:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TERRI  WALKER,  NORTHWEST  ARCTIC BOROUGH  SCHOOL  DISTRICT,                                                                    
KOTZEBUE (via  teleconference), relayed  that in FY  23, the                                                                    
Northwest  Arctic Borough  School  District  (NWABSD) had  a                                                                    
$1.5 million deficit,  in FY 24 it was at  $8.2 million, and                                                                    
the  district's  preliminary  deficit   in  FY  25  was  $14                                                                    
million. The deficits  were all due to  increased costs. She                                                                    
explained  that  the district  had  to  provide a  match  or                                                                    
participating share in order to  move forward with a project                                                                    
when  the fund  balance  was  used to  help  fund CIPs.  The                                                                    
district's six-year capital improvement  needs had about six                                                                    
projects on  the list. One  of the projects was  the renewal                                                                    
of  the  school  in  Selawik  as  the  fire  panel  was  not                                                                    
currently  functional. In  the borough,  about eight  of the                                                                    
schools did  not have functional fire  panels. She explained                                                                    
that  the  fire panels  were  often  outdated and  when  the                                                                    
panels  broke,  the  necessary  replacement  parts  were  no                                                                    
longer available.  Currently, an individual was  hired to be                                                                    
a 24-hour  fire watchperson to monitor  the building because                                                                    
of the fire panels being nonfunctional.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Walker continued  that another  of  the district's  six                                                                    
projects  was  replacing  the   Deering  School  for  school                                                                    
construction which  was "bursting at the  seams." Classrooms                                                                    
in the  district could only head  up to 50 degrees  when the                                                                    
west wind  was blowing and kids  had to attend class  in the                                                                    
gymnasium.  Many other  unexpected costs  had occurred  over                                                                    
the past  year, such  as issues with  the pump  house, water                                                                    
pipe  leaks,  freeze-ups,  backup  generator  problems,  and                                                                    
electrical issues. The buildings were  over 30 years old and                                                                    
were becoming  safety risks. She  thought the  primary focus                                                                    
for superintendents  and staff  members should  be educating                                                                    
students, but  maintaining the operational integrity  of the                                                                    
buildings required a significant amount of work.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:24:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CYNNA GUBATAYAO,  KETCHIKAN GATEWAY BOROUGH,  KETCHIKAN (via                                                                    
teleconference),  testified  on   behalf  of  the  Ketchikan                                                                    
Gateway Borough  (KGB) to express the  borough's support for                                                                    
increased  funding to  the DEED  major maintenance  program.                                                                    
Well-maintained  facilities  were  an  integral  part  of  a                                                                    
quality  education  program.  The  borough  and  the  school                                                                    
district worked together on major  maintenance of the school                                                                    
buildings and spent  a significant amount of  local funds on                                                                    
school  facilities.   The  major  maintenance   grants  were                                                                    
incredibly  helpful and  important to  school districts  and                                                                    
municipalities  around   the  state.  Without   the  grants,                                                                    
repairs  often  came  from reserves  or  operating  budgets.                                                                    
Failing to adequately fund  DEED's major maintenance program                                                                    
deferred critical  projects and facilities  would eventually                                                                    
fall  into  disrepair.  She  explained   that  it  was  much                                                                    
costlier to  catch up after buildings  became nonfunctional.                                                                    
She  reiterated the  need for  additional  funds for  DEED's                                                                    
major maintenance grants program.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:25:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW  RATLIFF, CHIEF  FINANCIAL OFFICER,  ANCHORAGE SCHOOL                                                                    
DISTRICT,  ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), offered  a brief                                                                    
overview   of   the   Anchorage  School   District's   (ASD)                                                                    
facilities and  major maintenance needs associated  with its                                                                    
school  buildings. The  district managed  90 facilities  and                                                                    
leased  an additional  10 to  support over  130 schools  and                                                                    
programs.  There  were 84  school  buildings  and six  other                                                                    
support   facilities  for   transportation,  food   service,                                                                    
operations, maintenance,  the purchasing warehouse,  and the                                                                    
IT  data center.  The average  age of  ASD's facilities  was                                                                    
about  37 years.  There were  33 schools  that were  over 50                                                                    
years old  and 15 schools over  60 years old. Over  the past                                                                    
26 years,  the district had  replaced only six  schools, and                                                                    
another 19  schools had total  renewals done.  Other schools                                                                    
had component renewals,  such as roads and  boilers, as well                                                                    
as some  much-needed security upgrades. The  district closed                                                                    
three  elementary  schools,  combined programs  together  to                                                                    
save money, and merged Alaska  Middle College into King Tech                                                                    
High School.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ratliff continued  that  the  district's current  major                                                                    
maintenance  backlog currently  exceeded  $1 billion,  which                                                                    
was up  from $77 million  just 15  years ago. Over  the same                                                                    
15-year period,  the district's bond  debt had  been reduced                                                                    
from about  $806 million  to $473  million, as  the appetite                                                                    
for  issuing voter-approved  bonds had  waned. Before  2015,                                                                    
the  state reimbursed  districts between  60 percent  and 70                                                                    
percent of the cost  of voter-approved bonds, which provided                                                                    
districts  with  a  vital offset  to  help  maintain  school                                                                    
buildings.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ratliff  relayed that in  2015, the  legislature shifted                                                                    
the  entire cost  of  new bonds  onto  the local  taxpayers,                                                                    
which made  it less  palatable for the  school board  to ask                                                                    
for large  bonds and  the community  to approve  large bonds                                                                    
for  school improvement.  The reduction  in  the ability  to                                                                    
bond in  conjunction with flat  funding had  exacerbated the                                                                    
growth  of the  major  maintenance backlog,  which put  more                                                                    
systems  at  risk  of  failure   and  increased  costs  when                                                                    
emergency procurements  were needed.  In 2024 alone  ASD had                                                                    
boilers  fail at  four different  schools  which cost  about                                                                    
$600,000 to  replace. The elevator  at Bartlett  High School                                                                    
had failed and cost about  $300,000 to replace and the water                                                                    
tank at  the student  nutrition facility failed,  which cost                                                                    
another $300,000. The unplanned  capital costs, coupled with                                                                    
about  $875,000   that  was  spent  on   unanticipated  snow                                                                    
mitigation  efforts to  direct  the snow  in Anchorage,  had                                                                    
taken other planned projects offline.  He concluded that ASD                                                                    
and  other districts  in  the state  heavily  relied on  the                                                                    
state for much-needed major maintenance funding.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:28:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KIM SWEET,  DIRECTOR OF  OPERATIONS, LOWER  KUSKOKWIM SCHOOL                                                                    
DISTRICT,  BETHEL  (via  teleconference), relayed  that  the                                                                    
status  of  the  Lower Kuskokwim  School  District's  (LKSD)                                                                    
major  maintenance   needs  was  that  LKSD   currently  had                                                                    
approximately $14  million in deferred  maintenance projects                                                                    
on the major maintenance CIP  list. The projects ranged from                                                                    
number 11  to number 61.  One of the projects  was completed                                                                    
several  years  ago  and  the   district  had  been  seeking                                                                    
reimbursement for the project through the CIP process.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet  stated that  additionally,  LKSD  had over  $167                                                                    
million  in projects  on the  school construction  CIP list,                                                                    
all of which were incredibly  important. One of the projects                                                                    
was number 56 on the  list, the Akiak School renovation. She                                                                    
explained that Akiak School  had numerous challenges related                                                                    
to the  age and  condition of the  facility. Two  years ago,                                                                    
the  school gym  experienced a  partial roof  failure and  a                                                                    
portion of the gym had  remained closed since the event. The                                                                    
closure had  impacted students' use  of the gym  for classes                                                                    
and for sports.  The closure also impacted  the community as                                                                    
the  gym was  often used  for larger  community events.  She                                                                    
thought  it  was  highly  unlikely  that  the  school  would                                                                    
receive funding  for the renovation project  anytime soon as                                                                    
it  was 56  on the  priority list.  The students  lacked the                                                                    
opportunity for  meaningful gym  classes and  activities for                                                                    
all ages during  the school day, and students  had to travel                                                                    
to neighboring  schools to  use the  gyms to  participate in                                                                    
after-school sports.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sweet  added  that  the  district  had  another  school                                                                    
construction  project  to   remodel  Anna  Tobeluk  Memorial                                                                    
School in Nunapitchuk. The project  has been on the CIP list                                                                    
for 10  years. In July  of 2023, a ramp  at the back  of the                                                                    
school  reached complete  failure and  the district  hired a                                                                    
structural  engineer   to  fully  assess   the  foundations.                                                                    
Several rotting beams  were discovered and as  a result, the                                                                    
district  had  to  close  a   few  sections  of  the  school                                                                    
permanently until  all beams could be  replaced. The project                                                                    
was  moved  up  the  CIP  list in  response  to  the  urgent                                                                    
situation. Each project she highlighted  had been on the CIP                                                                    
list for  many years, and  the longer a project  remained on                                                                    
the  list,  the  more  likely   there  would  be  structural                                                                    
failures. The price  to seek bids for  projects continued to                                                                    
rise  and many  of the  bids received  by the  district were                                                                    
either unresponsive  or the difference  was covered  by LKSD                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:32:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT  BALLARD,  SUPERINTENDENT,   YUPIIT  SCHOOL  DISTRICT,                                                                    
AKIACHAK  (via  teleconference),  relayed  that  the  Yupiit                                                                    
School  District  (YSD)  had   three  schools  upriver  from                                                                    
Bethel.  He had  been a  teacher  or principal  for over  20                                                                    
years  and   encouraged  the   committee  to   increase  the                                                                    
maintenance  and  construction  funds.  The  district's  top                                                                    
priority right was to the  operation of the Tuluksak School,                                                                    
but also  to the  environment. The school  was 60  years old                                                                    
and needed  some critical  updates, such  as the  cleanup of                                                                    
the  existing tank  fuel tank  and tank  farms, containment,                                                                    
and installing  new double-wall fuel tanks  is critical. The                                                                    
total cost of  the project was $4,664,000.  The district was                                                                    
anticipating  a budget  deficit next  year of  $1.7 million,                                                                    
which  was down  from the  district's original  budget which                                                                    
would have been a debt of  over $3 million. The district had                                                                    
cut  positions and  were looking  for creative  solutions to                                                                    
continue  district operations  with  increased costs,  fuel,                                                                    
and utilities.  He appreciated the committee's  time and was                                                                    
confident that  members were doing  their best  for Alaska's                                                                    
schools.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:34:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMIE  BURGESS, SUPERINTENDENT,  NOME  PUBLIC SCHOOLS,  NOME                                                                    
(via  teleconference), explained  that  Nome Public  Schools                                                                    
(NPS) had two major campuses.  The first campus was the Nome                                                                    
Belts Campus,  which was built  in the mid-1960s  and housed                                                                    
the middle  high school, the  district office  building, the                                                                    
charter school,  a department  building, and  the facilities                                                                    
building. The  second campus  was about  five miles  away in                                                                    
the  town  of  Nome  proper,  which  housed  the  elementary                                                                    
school,  which  was  completely rebuilt  in  the  mid-1980s.                                                                    
Currently,  NPS's  project  of  most concern  was  the  roof                                                                    
replacement  for Nome  Belts Middle  High  School. The  last                                                                    
time the roof was entirely  replaced was in 1970. The school                                                                    
had  a  partial  roof  replacement in  2003  and  the  other                                                                    
portion of  the roof needed  to be replaced. There  had been                                                                    
several  instances  of  small   roof  collapses  within  the                                                                    
classrooms. The tiles would get  wet and moldy, which caused                                                                    
concern  for students,  staff,  and  community members.  The                                                                    
project was fully  funded in the fall of  2019, but COVID-19                                                                    
derailed  the project.  The funding  was now  included in  a                                                                    
supplemental request.  The project was originally  funded at                                                                    
about  $2 million  but the  total  cost of  the project  was                                                                    
estimated at about $6 million.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Burgess  was in  the process of  preparing for  the next                                                                    
CIP run  including a  request to have  the roof  replaced at                                                                    
Nome Elementary  School, which  was over  40 years  old. The                                                                    
cost  of an  engineer  to  evaluate the  roof  and write  an                                                                    
estimate was $15,000 to $20,000  and the school did not have                                                                    
the resources  to complete the applications  in-house. There                                                                    
was an opportunity to reuse  the scores from the prior year,                                                                    
which meant  that the  project would  not be  re-scored, but                                                                    
the scores would be compared to  all of the other scores for                                                                    
all of  the applications  that year. Oftentimes  when scores                                                                    
were  reused, a  project would  drop on  the priority  list,                                                                    
which  was what  happened to  the roof  replacement project.                                                                    
The project  was not slated  to be addressed in  the current                                                                    
appropriation that was available.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Burgess  was grateful  that a project  to acquire  a new                                                                    
generator was set to receive  an appropriation in the coming                                                                    
year, which  was critical in  small communities  that relied                                                                    
upon generators  in emergencies.  The current  generator was                                                                    
undersized and  was not  suitable for  significant emergency                                                                    
events. In total,  the school had four projects  on the list                                                                    
for approximately  $6 million. There was  another $8 million                                                                    
in  deferred maintenance  for projects  that had  never been                                                                    
submitted, and costs  continued to rise. In  some cases, the                                                                    
roof  issues  were  significant  enough  that  the  schools'                                                                    
property insurance had to be  engaged as an insurance claim,                                                                    
which  would  continue  to  drive  up  property  claims  and                                                                    
premiums every year, which had risen significantly.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:40:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TAMMY DODD,  SUPERINTENDENT, BERING STRAIT  SCHOOL DISTRICT,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE  (via   teleconference),  explained   that  Bering                                                                    
Strait  School  District  (BSSD) consisted  of  15  schools,                                                                    
including schools on St. Lawrence  Island and Little Diomede                                                                    
Island.  She  introduced  Mr.  Gary  Eckenweiler  who  would                                                                    
provide more information.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
GARY  ECKENWEILER, DIRECTOR  OF FACILITIES  AND MAINTENANCE,                                                                    
BERING    STRAIT    SCHOOL    DISTRICT,    ANCHORAGE    (via                                                                    
teleconference),   relayed  that   like  all   rural  school                                                                    
districts, BSSD  had major  maintenance needs.  The district                                                                    
was able to keep up  with regular maintenance fairly easily,                                                                    
but major maintenance had been  getting more difficult. They                                                                    
had a  capital projects account  for years, but  the account                                                                    
was quickly  depleting and the situation  was becoming dire.                                                                    
He recalled that  Mr. Ballard from YSD spoke  about the tank                                                                    
farms and agreed  that ensuring that the tank  farms were up                                                                    
to date was crucial. He shared  that BSSD owned 15 tank farm                                                                    
facilities  and  there were  a  couple  of tank  farms  that                                                                    
needed to be replaced. The tank  farm in Teller was built in                                                                    
1967 and  stored 48,000 gallons  of fuel oil, which  was the                                                                    
annual  usage in  Teller. The  farm had  always been  on the                                                                    
district's  major   maintenance  list,  but  the   cost  was                                                                    
prohibitive. One of the old  tanks started seeping fuel, and                                                                    
BSSD had to build a new  tank farm for $2 million in Teller,                                                                    
another  one for  $1.4 million  in Wales,  and clean  up the                                                                    
fuel spill. He relayed that  fuel spills and other disasters                                                                    
were more likely  to occur when communities  did not receive                                                                    
funding assistance.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Eckenweiler understood that  the committee aimed to fund                                                                    
the top  20 projects on the  CIP list, but if  the committee                                                                    
could fund  the top  20 projects,  over 15  different school                                                                    
districts  would be  positively  affected.  He relayed  that                                                                    
BSSD  did not  apply  for many  major maintenance  projects,                                                                    
because it was unlikely to receive the funding.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:44:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MADELINE AGUILLARD, SUPERINTENDENT,  KUSPUK SCHOOL DISTRICT,                                                                    
ANIAK  (via  teleconference),  encouraged the  committee  to                                                                    
increase the  funding for major maintenance  projects to $60                                                                    
million to  impact the  backlog of  requests and  to address                                                                    
the emergency repairs. She highlighted  the need to complete                                                                    
the  Sleetmute  project  at  a   recommended  cost  of  $1.6                                                                    
million.  She noted  that the  Kuspuk School  District (KSD)                                                                    
was  an REAA  and  was reliant  on the  state  to build  the                                                                    
initial schools in six of  the district's seven villages and                                                                    
to maintain all  of the facilities. Five of  the six schools                                                                    
remained in use and the  buildings were still owned by DEED.                                                                    
The Sleetmute school was number  23 on the major maintenance                                                                    
list, even  though the district  had submitted  requests for                                                                    
funding for  17 years.  Each year  the project  was delayed,                                                                    
the  damage spread,  the cost  to repair  the damage  became                                                                    
greater,  and the  potential threat  to  students and  staff                                                                    
increased. The deteriorating conditions  of the schools were                                                                    
a pressing  concern. The  foundation damage  was threatening                                                                    
the structural  stability of the  building, while  the water                                                                    
damage  had  caused   considerable  deterioration  and  mold                                                                    
growth, impacting the health and  safety of the students and                                                                    
staff. Following an  on-site inspection in the  fall of 2023                                                                    
in which  an engineering team was  monitoring the foundation                                                                    
and     structural     deterioration,    school     district                                                                    
administration received notice  that significant portions of                                                                    
the school  facility should  not be  occupied for  any other                                                                    
use than  light storage and  to maintain the  building until                                                                    
repairs could be made.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Aguillard  added that  Alaska  needed  to get  creative                                                                    
about coordinating across agencies  when talking about major                                                                    
maintenance,  specifically  for  rural schools.  Four  years                                                                    
ago, the  district secured  an emergency  construction grant                                                                    
of almost  $1 million  through the Office  of Impact  Aid to                                                                    
supplement the Sleetmute school  repair costs. The emergency                                                                    
application  was developed  and timed  in anticipation  of a                                                                    
runway  airport   project  that  was  to   be  completed  in                                                                    
Sleetmute, which  the district  recognized as  a cost-saving                                                                    
opportunity since  equipment and  supplies would need  to be                                                                    
barged  up  to  Kuspuk  and   there  would  be  a  potential                                                                    
contractor in  the village who could  complete both projects                                                                    
simultaneously. However,  the emergency amount  awarded from                                                                    
Impact Aid required a match,  and without a tax base, Kuspuk                                                                    
had  been unable  to generate  a match  without the  state's                                                                    
assistance.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Aguillard  relayed that 2024  was the final year  of the                                                                    
runway  airport  project  and the  Impact  Aid  award  would                                                                    
expire in  March 2025.  Still determined  to provide  a safe                                                                    
space, the  district submitted a Capital  Project Submission                                                                    
and Information System (CAPSIS)  request for assistance with                                                                    
funding repairs  for the school,  which had  been identified                                                                    
by  the   Sleetmute  Traditional  Council  for   use  during                                                                    
emergency, crisis,  and disaster situations.  She emphasized                                                                    
that if  Kuspuk was unable  to secure the funding  needed to                                                                    
complete the  repairs, the Impact  Aid funding  would expire                                                                    
and the contractor would leave  Sleetmute. After 17 years of                                                                    
asking for  help and  five years  of meticulous  planning to                                                                    
leverage all  possible cost  savings, it  might be  the last                                                                    
opportunity  for this  school  to continue.  An increase  in                                                                    
funding for major maintenance projects  to $60 million would                                                                    
not only make an impact on  the backlog of requests, but the                                                                    
funding would  also address the emergency  repairs needed to                                                                    
complete the Sleetmute project.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:49:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLAYTON  HOLLAND,  SUPERINTENDENT, KENAI  PENINSULA  BOROUGH                                                                    
SCHOOL  DISTRICT, SOLDOTNA  (via teleconference),  expressed                                                                    
strong support  for increased funding  for the  CIP priority                                                                    
list. Specifically, he urged for  an expansion beyond the 15                                                                    
projects   allocated  for   major  maintenance   to  include                                                                    
additional  projects.  The  Kenai Peninsula  Borough  School                                                                    
District  (KPBSD) spanned  an area  of almost  26,000 square                                                                    
miles  and  included  42 schools  and  17  communities.  The                                                                    
situation  was dire.  The average  age of  school facilities                                                                    
was  48 years,  and one  structure  in the  district was  89                                                                    
years  old.  The  need  for  action  was  unmistakable.  The                                                                    
district  currently  had  over   $450  million  in  deferred                                                                    
maintenance  costs. Without  heightened  efforts to  replace                                                                    
aging schools, there would be  an imminent crisis within the                                                                    
next decade.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Holland   explained  that  aging   facilities  demanded                                                                    
extensive  maintenance, which  was  a particularly  daunting                                                                    
task given the vastness of  the district. He noted that DEED                                                                    
recommended a strategic renewal  and replacement schedule as                                                                    
prolonged repair  efforts proved ineffective. The  result of                                                                    
not  receiving  major   maintenance  funding  was  cascading                                                                    
deficiencies.  Addressing  Alaska's aging  schools  promptly                                                                    
preserved  educational  infrastructure and  yielded  ongoing                                                                    
operational  cost  reductions.  Delaying funding  now  would                                                                    
lead to greater costs in  the future. The emphasis needed to                                                                    
shift  from  renovation  to   new  school  construction  for                                                                    
facilities  older   than  40  years.  Investing   in  modern                                                                    
infrastructure  now  would   yield  long-term  cost  savings                                                                    
compared to  prolonging the life of  outdated buildings. The                                                                    
level  of education  that was  needed in  the state  was not                                                                    
possible when the facilities were  substandard or unsafe. He                                                                    
thought that  if everyone worked  together, the  state could                                                                    
ensure that  every student in  Alaska had access to  a safe,                                                                    
modern, and conducive learning environment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  which  building  was 89  years                                                                    
old.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Holland responded that it was the Moose Pass School.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:53:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDY DEGRAW, CHIEF OPERATIONS  OFFICER, FAIRBANKS NORTH STAR                                                                    
BOROUGH  SCHOOL  DISTRICT, FAIRBANKS  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified in support of  additional major maintenance funds.                                                                    
He  explained  that  Fairbanks  North  Star  Borough  School                                                                    
District  (FNSBSD) had  32 buildings  totaling approximately                                                                    
2.3  million  square  feet.  The  FY  25  major  maintenance                                                                    
backlog was  approximately $250 million  and the  number was                                                                    
expected to rise  to approximately $335 million  in the six-                                                                    
year  CIP  plan in  2030.  An  increased investment  in  the                                                                    
capital budget on behalf of  school districts would directly                                                                    
benefit the general fund budgets.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Degraw recalled  that Representative  Galvin had  asked                                                                    
where the funding came from  when districts needed to update                                                                    
systems, but  could not obtain capital  funding. Projects in                                                                    
Fairbanks cost hundreds of thousands  of dollars every year,                                                                    
just in  labor hours and the  cost of parts. The  cost would                                                                    
be  even  higher  if utilities  and  inefficiencies  of  old                                                                    
buildings were  considered. For example, a  Phase 2 exterior                                                                    
renovation  project  might  seem  like  a  simple  aesthetic                                                                    
upgrade of the exterior of  a building; however, the project                                                                    
could  involve  replacing  a  roof,  updating  the  exterior                                                                    
coating of  the building,  and replacing windows  and doors.                                                                    
Such a project would increase  the energy efficiency of that                                                                    
building, thus reducing the utility costs of the district.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Degraw explained  that Fairbanks  had anywhere  from $7                                                                    
million to $8  million in annual utility costs,  and a small                                                                    
percent  reduction  in  utility costs  was  significant.  He                                                                    
appreciated the time and work of the committee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:56:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CSSB  187(FIN)  am  was  HEARD and  HELD  in  committee  for                                                                    
further consideration.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon reviewed the agenda  for the following day's                                                                    
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:56:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:56 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DEED Handout #1 - AS 14.11.035 SB237 Final 2024 Report.pdf HFIN 4/23/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB 237
04-23-24 (H)FIN DEED FY25 School Capital Funding.pdf HFIN 4/23/2024 1:30:00 PM
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DEED Handout #2 - State Share Debt Reimbursements.pdf HFIN 4/23/2024 1:30:00 PM
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DEED Handout #3 - Debt Actual % 1976-2025.pdf HFIN 4/23/2024 1:30:00 PM
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DEED Handout #4 - FY2025 Anticipated School Debt Reimbursement.pdf HFIN 4/23/2024 1:30:00 PM
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DEED Handout #5 - FY25ConstructionFinalList.pdf HFIN 4/23/2024 1:30:00 PM
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DEED Handout #6 - FY25MaintenanceFinalList.pdf HFIN 4/23/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB 187 HFIN Capital Bidget History LFD 042324.pdf HFIN 4/23/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 187
Cap Budget Historical Info Response HFIN 4-24-24.pdf HFIN 4/23/2024 1:30:00 PM
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