Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

02/20/2024 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:33:03 PM Start
01:34:08 PM Overview: University of Alaska
02:02:23 PM Overview: Department of Environmental Conservation
02:20:57 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 268 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP; AM TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 270 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Overview: Department of Environmental TELECONFERENCED
Conservation FY 25 Budget by
Commissioner-Designee Emma Pokon; and Megan
Kohler, Administrative Services Director
+ Overview: University of Alaska FY25 Budget by TELECONFERENCED
Pat Pitney, President; and Chad Hutchison,
Director of State Relations
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 20, 2024                                                                                          
                         1:33 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:33:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 1:33 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative DeLena Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Chad  Hutchison, Director,  Public Relations,  University of                                                                    
Alaska;  Emma  Pokon, Commissioner-Designee,  Department  of                                                                    
Environmental  Conservation;  Megan  Kohler,  Administrative                                                                    
Services     Director,    Department     of    Environmental                                                                    
Conservation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Pat Pitney, President, University of Alaska.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 268    APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP; AM                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          HB 268 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 270    APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          HB 270 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 268                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;  making capital  appropriations; making                                                                    
     supplemental  appropriations; making  reappropriations;                                                                    
     making  appropriations  under   art.  IX,  sec.  17(c),                                                                    
     Constitution  of   the  State   of  Alaska,   from  the                                                                    
     constitutional budget  reserve fund; and  providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 270                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:34:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAD HUTCHISON, DIRECTOR, PUBLIC RELATIONS, UNIVERSITY OF                                                                       
ALASKA, introduced himself and turned the presentation over                                                                     
to University of Alaska President Pat Pitney.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PAT   PITNEY,   PRESIDENT,   UNIVERSITY   OF   ALASKA   (via                                                                    
teleconference),   introduced   a  PowerPoint   presentation                                                                    
titled  "University   of  Alaska:  Empower   Alaska,"  dated                                                                    
February 20,  2024 (copy on file).  She began with a  map of                                                                    
Alaska  on slide  2 showing  the University  of Alaska  (UA)                                                                    
locations.  The  university  system  was  comprised  of  the                                                                    
University  of Alaska  Fairbanks  (UAF),  the University  of                                                                    
Alaska  Anchorage  (UAA),  and   the  University  of  Alaska                                                                    
Southeast   (UAS).  She   described   UAF   as  a   research                                                                    
university, UAA  as the urban comprehensive  university, and                                                                    
UAS as  the Southeast  regional university with  its primary                                                                    
campus  located in  Juneau. She  detailed that  each of  the                                                                    
universities  had community  campuses, which  stretched from                                                                    
Ketchikan to  Kotzebue and were  vital to  the accessibility                                                                    
of  the  university  system  and  to  becoming  a  community                                                                    
partner  for local  workforce development  needs. She  noted                                                                    
that UA  was very  proud of its  community campuses  and the                                                                    
work the campuses did in serving their communities.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pitney briefly provided an  overview of the presentation                                                                    
on  slide  3. She  turned  to  slide  4 titled  "Roadmap  to                                                                    
Empower Alaska."  She relayed  that six of  the UA  Board of                                                                    
Regents' 11 members were new  within the past two years. She                                                                    
detailed that the board was working  on a plan to set the UA                                                                    
system up  for the future.  She was excited about  the three                                                                    
pillars   the   board    had   discussed,   beginning   with                                                                    
"financially  responsible and  future  focused." She  stated                                                                    
that  the stability  enabled UA  to  create momentum  though                                                                    
enrollment,  partnerships, and  federal funding.  The second                                                                    
pillar was  "state and  Arctic leadership."  She underscored                                                                    
it  was necessary  to take  the Arctic  leadership role  for                                                                    
Alaska  to  be  represented  in  global  Arctic  policy  and                                                                    
conversations and  research. She stressed the  importance of                                                                    
UA's state leadership  and stated that UA  was the workforce                                                                    
engine  of the  state. The  university system  had over  200                                                                    
short  programs such  as  certified  nurse assisting,  nurse                                                                    
practitioners,   welding,  and   aviation  maintenance,   in                                                                    
addition  to  its   four-year  degrees  covering  education,                                                                    
business,   engineering,   biology,  and   psychology.   The                                                                    
university's  leadership role  in  developing the  workforce                                                                    
for Alaska was a primary  focus. She briefly highlighted the                                                                    
third pillar "Quality Education and Reputation" on slide 4.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:38:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pitney turned  to slide  5 titled  "Roadmap to  Empower                                                                    
Alaska"  and highlighted  strategic near-term  priorities of                                                                    
the Board of  Regents. She began with the  first priority of                                                                    
increasing  recruitment,  graduation,   and  retention.  She                                                                    
stated that more students graduating  faster and retained at                                                                    
a  higher rate  reflected stability.  She reported  that the                                                                    
current  spring was  the third  semester in  a row  of year-                                                                    
over-year  increases  after  nine years  of  decreases.  She                                                                    
emphasized  there was  a 16  percent increase  in the  first                                                                    
time freshman class  the prior fall. She  noted that another                                                                    
large  incoming  freshman  class   would  really  bring  the                                                                    
university's numbers up.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pitney  moved  to  the  second  priority  on  slide  5:                                                                    
Sustaining  Facilities Maintenance  and Modernization  Plan.                                                                    
The  board had  tasked UA  with coming  up with  a different                                                                    
solution  for  deferred  maintenance.  She  elaborated  that                                                                    
deferred  maintenance  had  been   its  top  capital  budget                                                                    
priority  for more  than 20  years. She  noted that  she had                                                                    
been  the statewide  budget director  for the  university in                                                                    
1998  and deferred  maintenance  had been  the top  priority                                                                    
annually.  The plan  was to  provide  consistent and  stable                                                                    
funding annually  to enable UA to  address priority deferred                                                                    
maintenance projects  that had  been reviewed and  vetted at                                                                    
the legislative level. She explained  that a plan would mean                                                                    
deferred maintenance would no longer  have to be the highest                                                                    
priority in  the capital  budget and it  would give  room in                                                                    
the capital  budget for  things like  a simulation  lab that                                                                    
was  important for  the  workforce, rather  than  a roof  or                                                                    
sewer system.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pitney  addressed  the  third   priority  on  slide  5:                                                                    
Achieving  Cost-Efficient Operations.  She  viewed  it as  a                                                                    
priority  to  do  things   right  with  modern,  streamlined                                                                    
business  processes.  The fourth  priority  was  for UAF  to                                                                    
achieve R1 research  status [in 2027]. She  explained it was                                                                    
about taking  a step  for Alaska  and would  bring increased                                                                    
economic development,  talent, and long-term  stability. She                                                                    
elaborated that  it would put  UAF in  the top 4  percent of                                                                    
universities   nationally  and   would  attract   additional                                                                    
research funding across the state.  She highlighted that UAF                                                                    
had  ship operations  in Seward  and research  facilities in                                                                    
Kodiak  and   Juneau.  She  explained   that  most   of  the                                                                    
operations existed partially in  Anchorage or passed through                                                                    
Anchorage  on  the  way  to the  North  Slope  Toolik  Field                                                                    
Station,   Fairbanks,  or   electricity   projects  on   the                                                                    
Railbelt.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pitney discussed the fifth  priority on slide 5: Empower                                                                    
Alaska Branding.  She referenced UA's docuseries  that aired                                                                    
occasionally, which  was focused on building  reputation and                                                                    
on  the breadth  and depth  of its  operations. She  briefly                                                                    
highlighted  the  sixth  and   last  priority  on  slide  5:                                                                    
Building Arctic Leaders.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:43:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Pitney   turned   to  slide   6   titled   "Enrollment                                                                    
Highlights."   The  University   experienced  a   4  percent                                                                    
increase in headcount, an increase  in student credit hours,                                                                    
and  significant  growth  in  its  community  and  technical                                                                    
college programs.  She highlighted  that UA worked  with the                                                                    
construction  management  industry  and   with  all  of  the                                                                    
[federal]  infrastructure  money  coming  in,  the  industry                                                                    
needed   more  people   skills   in  managing   construction                                                                    
projects.  The  UA  curriculum was  retooled  and  available                                                                    
statewide  in   Anchorage  and  Fairbanks.  She   noted  the                                                                    
enrollment had  nearly doubled and  enabled people  who were                                                                    
already working to take a  construction management course to                                                                    
gain skills necessary to take on management projects.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pitney  addressed the  second bullet  point on  slide 6:                                                                    
Dual Enrollment.  She explained  that there were  3,600 high                                                                    
school students  dually enrolled  in college  courses, which                                                                    
reflected  a 20  percent increase.  She relayed  that dually                                                                    
enrolled students were  more likely to remain  in Alaska for                                                                    
school,  they could  graduate more  quickly, and  could save                                                                    
money on the  cost of college because they  completed one to                                                                    
two years of  college courses prior to  graduating from high                                                                    
school. The  option also provided high  school students with                                                                    
a path to being more challenged.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:45:54 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:46:53 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  reviewed members  present. She  noted that                                                                    
the committee would try to speed up the presentation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hutchison stated his understanding  that the goal was to                                                                    
hear  highlights   on  the   operating  budget   and  answer                                                                    
questions. He  moved forward to slide  11 to show the  FY 25                                                                    
budget request summary.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pitney  addressed the FY  25 UA budget request  on slide                                                                    
11.  The  university's  state   funding  request  was  $29.2                                                                    
million with $23 million of  the total going to compensation                                                                    
and fixed  costs. She noted  there were a series  of smaller                                                                    
requests shown on slide 21  to support academic programs and                                                                    
services  ranging from  mental health  and public  safety to                                                                    
faculty  and   project  management.  She   highlighted  UA's                                                                    
deferred  maintenance  and  modernization  request  [of  $35                                                                    
million  annually],  which  was   included  in  a  piece  of                                                                    
legislation.  She expressed  appreciation to  Representative                                                                    
Stapp's  leadership on  the legislation  that would  provide                                                                    
consistent  funding  for   deferred  maintenance.  Slide  11                                                                    
included  a  request  for  strengthening  the  UA  athletics                                                                    
program. She  remarked that past  budget reductions  hit the                                                                    
athletics program fairly  hard, and the goal  was to restore                                                                    
some stability for the UAA and UAF programs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pitney addressed revenue assumptions  on the bottom half                                                                    
of slide 11.  She reported that the UA  system anticipated a                                                                    
$5 million increase  in unrestricted revenue and  a total of                                                                    
$7 million across its fund  sources to meet compensation and                                                                    
fixed costs.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:50:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pitney turned  to slide  13 titled  "UA FY25  Operating                                                                    
Budget." She  pointed to  the Board  of Regents'  request of                                                                    
$15 million [in state funds] and  $2 million in UA funds for                                                                    
compensation. The slide  showed a request of  $9 million [in                                                                    
state  funds]  and  $5  million in  UA  funds  for  property                                                                    
insurance.  Currently  the  governor's  budget  included  $6                                                                    
million for compensation and $5  million for fixed costs and                                                                    
directed the university  to use non-state funds  to fund the                                                                    
remainder.  She   stated  the  university  would   not  have                                                                    
sufficient  non-state  funds  to  fund  the  remainder;  the                                                                    
university had  factored all of  the non-state funds  in the                                                                    
$2  million  and $7  million  in  the regents'  budget.  The                                                                    
governor's  proposed budget  left  the  university short  by                                                                    
more than $10 million for  compensation and fixed costs. She                                                                    
expounded  that  the  compensation  included  a  modest  2.5                                                                    
percent salary  increase and  an additional  contribution to                                                                    
healthcare.  The  university  had  been  able  to  hold  its                                                                    
healthcare  costs steady  for about  six years,  but it  now                                                                    
needed  to   be  increased  largely  due   to  post-COVID-19                                                                    
pandemic use.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pitney  directed attention to funding  for the Technical                                                                    
Vocational Education  Program (TVEP)  program at  the bottom                                                                    
of slide  13. She explained  that the TVEP program  needed a                                                                    
sunset  date  extension  and if  legislation  extending  the                                                                    
program  did  not  pass  it   would  mean  $6  million  from                                                                    
university vocational  education programs across  the state.                                                                    
She  remarked that  excluding  union workforce  development,                                                                    
the  university  conducted  90  percent  of  the  vocational                                                                    
education. She  emphasized it was  a key component  of being                                                                    
able to keep the university's  program modern and enabled it                                                                    
to  start   high-demand  programs.   She  stated   that  the                                                                    
university  followed the  accountability criteria  set forth                                                                    
in the legislation to a T.  She relayed that the TVEP sunset                                                                    
extension was important to the university.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:53:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pitney turned  to slide 14 showing  different UA revenue                                                                    
streams. She  focused on  FY 24  and listed  funding sources                                                                    
including   general    funds,   unrestricted    funds,   and                                                                    
designated/restricted  funds.   She  noted  that   only  the                                                                    
general  funds and  unrestricted  funds  were available  for                                                                    
compensation and fixed costs in  general. She explained that                                                                    
designated   and  restricted   funds  included   competitive                                                                    
federal  grants  or  situations where  an  industry  partner                                                                    
asked  the university  to work  on a  particular project  or                                                                    
problem. She  explained that the university  only had access                                                                    
to the $300  million and $216 million [shown for  FY 24] and                                                                    
the remainder  was directed funding  for specific  uses. She                                                                    
used Medicaid  as an  example and  explained that  the state                                                                    
could not  use Medicaid funding from  the federal government                                                                    
to run  the Department  of Commerce, Community  and Economic                                                                    
Development.  Likewise,  the  university  could  not  use  a                                                                    
[federal] Department  of Defense  grant for  the geophysical                                                                    
institute  to pay  salaries for  its  facilities group.  She                                                                    
explained that  even though  total revenue  [for FY  24] was                                                                    
$815 million  and the total  budget was $900  million, there                                                                    
was only  about $500  million in revenue  to cover  the base                                                                    
foundation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pitney discussed  sources of earned revenue  [for FY 23]                                                                    
on slide 15. There was  $206 million in unrestricted funding                                                                    
comprised  of  tuition  ($79  million),  student  fees,  and                                                                    
indirect  cost recovery  (funding on  federal grants  to pay                                                                    
for  things  like  management  and  facilities).  University                                                                    
receipts  included the  natural resources  fund distribution                                                                    
of  about $7.5  million and  interest income  that reflected                                                                    
interest  earned on  working  capital.  She elaborated  that                                                                    
interest  income was  fortunately  high  and the  university                                                                    
anticipated it would  go up to about $3 million  in a steady                                                                    
interest rate environment.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:56:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  looked  at  slide 6  in  relation  to                                                                    
teacher  preparation  and  healthcare and  associated  pilot                                                                    
programs. He asked if the  FY 25 budget request would enable                                                                    
UA to  expand the programs  in an efficient and  more robust                                                                    
way. He  was hearing a lot  about workforce gaps in  the two                                                                    
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pitney agreed  there was  a  workforce gap  in the  two                                                                    
areas highlighted by Representative  Ortiz. She relayed that                                                                    
the  year before  last,  the  legislature appropriated  $3.5                                                                    
million  for  the  expansion  of  health  programs  and  the                                                                    
university was actively working  to implement the expansion.                                                                    
The increment  included additional  pay for  nursing faculty                                                                    
the university was having trouble  retaining, in addition to                                                                    
funding  for  new  nursing faculty  and  faculty  in  allied                                                                    
health areas  that made  up a large  part of  the healthcare                                                                    
workforce. The expansion should  be fully implemented by the                                                                    
following  year.  At  that  point,  if  the  university  was                                                                    
getting close  to capacity  in terms  of student  demand, it                                                                    
would  be ready  for another  request. All  three of  the UA                                                                    
schools   were  working   together   on  expanding   teacher                                                                    
preparation. She  referenced an Educators  Rising conference                                                                    
that would take  place in Juneau in the coming  week or two.                                                                    
The effort began with high  school students with an interest                                                                    
in  becoming teachers.  Additionally, there  were mentorship                                                                    
programs and a scholarship  program for the student teaching                                                                    
year provided  the year before  last. She reported  that the                                                                    
university had  capacity in  its current  education programs                                                                    
and  it  was  having difficulty  getting  enough  interested                                                                    
students. She  referenced work at  the high school  level to                                                                    
get students  interested in taking  dual credits  focused on                                                                    
education that would direct them towards a teaching degree.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pitney directed attention to  slide 21 showing workforce                                                                    
needs in  psychology and school counselors  in Anchorage and                                                                    
a healthcare  management master's  degree in  Fairbanks. The                                                                    
slide showed  small funding requests for  base general funds                                                                    
to help run the aforementioned programs.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:00:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson noted the committee  had reached the end of                                                                    
the time allotted for the presentation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pitney  thanked  the committee  and  was  available  to                                                                    
answer questions offline.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson thanked Ms. Pitney for the presentation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:01:33 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:02:17 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  noted that committee  members were  due on                                                                    
the House floor at 2:30 p.m.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EMMA    POKON,    COMMISSIONER-DESIGNEE,    DEPARTMENT    OF                                                                    
ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, introduced  herself and provided                                                                    
a PowerPoint  presentation titled "House  Finance Committee:                                                                    
Environmental  Conservation  Overview," dated  February  20,                                                                    
2024 (copy on file).  She briefly highlighted the Department                                                                    
of Environmental Conservation's (DEC) mission on slide 2:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Conserving, improving, and  protecting Alaska's natural                                                                    
     resources  and  environment   to  enhance  the  health,                                                                    
     safety,   and  economic   and   social  well-being   of                                                                    
     Alaskans.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee  Pokon  turned  to  an  organizational                                                                    
chart on slide 3. She  expressed gratitude to the leadership                                                                    
team,    including   Christina    Carpenter,   the    former                                                                    
environmental  health director,  who  had  stepped into  the                                                                    
role as acting deputy commissioner.  She gave an overview of                                                                    
the work  provided by  DEC on slide  4. She  highlighted the                                                                    
protection of  air and  water quality  including permitting,                                                                    
monitoring,  and inspection  work. The  Environmental Health                                                                    
Division included programs such  as food safety and drinking                                                                    
water,  and solid  waste and  pesticides. Additionally,  the                                                                    
division  included the  state  veterinarian responsible  for                                                                    
overseeing  animal  care   and  importation  standards,  the                                                                    
environmental   health   lab  responsible   for   conducting                                                                    
analytical   testing  for   a  variety   of  programs,   and                                                                    
inspection   and   compliance  components   for   regulatory                                                                    
programs.  The Division  of  Spill  Prevention and  Response                                                                    
(SPAR)  ensured   preparedness  for  spills.   The  division                                                                    
ensured  that facilities  handling  a  certain threshold  of                                                                    
materials  had  spill plans  in  advance  and when  a  spill                                                                    
happened  SPAR was  involved in  the response.  The division                                                                    
housed  a  contaminated  sites  group  that  took  over  the                                                                    
management of  a site  once the  initial spill  response was                                                                    
complete.  Additionally, there  was  an  RFA [Response  Fund                                                                    
Administration] group that oversaw the SPAR fund.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee Pokon addressed  DEC's vacancy rate on                                                                    
slide  5. As  of December  15, DEC's  vacancy rate  was 13.5                                                                    
percent;  however, when  the numbers  were  viewed over  the                                                                    
course of  the year it looked  a bit more favorable  to fill                                                                    
positions  quickly. The  department  placed  an emphasis  on                                                                    
ensuring it had the capacity and manpower to do its job.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:06:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee Pokon addressed  DEC's FY 25 operating                                                                    
budget  on slide  6.  She relayed  that  the department  was                                                                    
looking at  another relatively stable year.  There were some                                                                    
shifts in federal funding coming  to and through the agency.                                                                    
She turned the  presentation over to Megan  Kohler to review                                                                    
the budget highlights.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEGAN KOHLER,  ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES  DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION,  reviewed the department's FY                                                                    
25 operating budget  request on slide 6. She  noted that the                                                                    
presentation  separated  infrastructure funding  from  DEC's                                                                    
base budget. The majority of the  change from FY 24 to FY 25                                                                    
was  attributed  to  salary   adjustments.  There  was  some                                                                    
cleanup  shown   as  an  undesignated  general   fund  (UGF)                                                                    
reduction,  cleanup   from  operating  to  capital,   and  a                                                                    
reduction   in  an   office  refresh   one-time  item.   She                                                                    
highlighted  there was  an additional  federal increment  in                                                                    
its Air Quality Division.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler addressed  the FY  25 operating  budget for  the                                                                    
Division  of  Administration.   The  division  included  the                                                                    
Office  of  the  Commissioner, administrative  support,  and                                                                    
state   support   services   (primarily  lease   costs   and                                                                    
Department   of  Administration   (DOA)  chargebacks).   The                                                                    
majority  of   the  changes  were  salary   increments.  She                                                                    
highlighted  a one-time  increment  for the  Juneau air  lab                                                                    
relocation.  She explained  that DEC's  building located  on                                                                    
Willoughby   Avenue  was   under  new   ownership  and   was                                                                    
undergoing an extensive renovation.  She elaborated that the                                                                    
air lab had  been out of service since the  past summer. She                                                                    
furthered that  it was a  long-term issue with  the building                                                                    
on  maintaining   environmental  controls   associated  with                                                                    
sample quality and delicate scales  located in the building;                                                                    
therefore, DEC  was looking  to relocate the  lab to  a more                                                                    
stable,  purpose  built  environment.   The  item  had  been                                                                    
changed in the  governor's amended budget to be  able to get                                                                    
the lab up and running more  quickly. The other change was a                                                                    
reduction in  federal funding as  a result of backing  out a                                                                    
one-time increment for the office refresh.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:08:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler turned  to slide 8 and  reviewed the department's                                                                    
buildings, maintenance, and operations  portion of the FY 25                                                                    
operating  budget.   She  explained   that  DEC   owned  one                                                                    
building,  which  housed  its environmental  health  lab  in                                                                    
Anchorage. She offered a tour of  the building to any of the                                                                    
committee members.  Historically, the funding had  been UGF;                                                                    
however,  beginning  in  FY  22   there  were  increases  in                                                                    
utilities costs. The department  began using a small portion                                                                    
of  its federal  indirect carryforward.  She explained  that                                                                    
the  carryforward was  no longer  available; therefore,  the                                                                    
budget included UGF to cover the cost.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  moved  to  the   budget  for  the  Division  of                                                                    
Environmental Health  on slide  9. She  noted there  were no                                                                    
significant changes  proposed for  FY 25. The  increases for                                                                    
the division  reflected salary  adjustments. There  were two                                                                    
items for  the Division  of Air Quality  on slide  10. Under                                                                    
the  governor's amended  budget  there was  an increment  of                                                                    
about $1  billion [in federal funds]  for community emission                                                                    
inventories,  a  climate   pollution  reduction  grant  that                                                                    
allowed  the  state  and  the  Alaska  Municipal  League  to                                                                    
prepare  a planning  document  required  for communities  to                                                                    
access  additional  federal  dollars. The  second  item  was                                                                    
largely  technical   and  aligned  receipt   authority.  She                                                                    
detailed  that two  receipt accounts  were  reduced and  the                                                                    
GFPR [general fund program receipts]  was increased based on                                                                    
funds  the  division  would  need  due  to  a  fee  increase                                                                    
implemented in the fall of 2023.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:10:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler turned  to  slide  11 and  noted  there were  no                                                                    
significant changes in the FY  25 SPAR budget. She concluded                                                                    
the presentation  with two items  for the Division  of Water                                                                    
on  slide 12.  The first  item was  the transfer  of federal                                                                    
funding  from the  operating budget  to capital  budget. She                                                                    
noted the item  was more appropriate for  the capital budget                                                                    
because the  funds were grant  based. The second  change was                                                                    
in  UGF associated  with  an  Infrastructure Investment  and                                                                    
Jobs Act (IIJA) related one-time increment in FY 24.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:11:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  looked at  slide 10 and  asked what                                                                    
GFPR stood for.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler replied that GFPR  stood for general fund program                                                                    
receipts.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  about the  Juneau air  quality                                                                    
lab that  had been  out of service  since the  prior summer.                                                                    
She  asked if  the lab  had  been able  to do  its work  the                                                                    
through the previous summer at a different location.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler  answered that the  lab had  been able to  do its                                                                    
work by utilizing contract labs  outside of Juneau; however,                                                                    
it was not sustainable in the long term.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if  DEC was taking  the samples                                                                    
but not processing them locally.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kohler replied affirmatively.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if  DEC was  looking for  a new                                                                    
lab location. She asked about the timeline and cost.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kohler  replied  that  the   department  hoped  that  a                                                                    
multiyear increment  would mean DEC could  utilize the funds                                                                    
for  FY  24  to get  the  lab  up  and  running as  soon  as                                                                    
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee  Pokon added  that DEC  wanted to  get                                                                    
the lab  up and  running as quickly  as possible,  but there                                                                    
was not a fixed location at  the current time. She stated it                                                                    
was  a  work  in  progress the  department  was  focused  on                                                                    
getting resolved.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  whether there  would  be  air                                                                    
quality  monitoring  of  cruise   ships  in  Juneau  in  the                                                                    
upcoming season.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee  Pokon   answered  affirmatively.  The                                                                    
monitoring would  be conducted,  and sampling would  be done                                                                    
but it  was a  matter of getting  the samples  processed and                                                                    
getting the  measurements. The  department had  been finding                                                                    
workarounds, but it was not sustainable in the long term.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:14:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  looked at slide  5 and found  the low                                                                    
vacancy  rate  remarkable.  She recalled  hearing  from  the                                                                    
prior commissioner  the previous year that  the vacancy rate                                                                    
was quite  managed because when  vacancies were  not filled,                                                                    
the  commissioner had  removed the  positions. She  asked if                                                                    
there were  fewer overall full-time  positions in DEC  or if                                                                    
the department had managed to keep a low vacancy rate.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee   Pokon  answered   there  were   more                                                                    
positions currently than in prior  years. The department had                                                                    
focused   on   getting   recruitment   materials   out   and                                                                    
prioritizing the  workload of  getting a  new person  in the                                                                    
role  in  recognition of  the  fact  that  while it  was  an                                                                    
additional task for a supervisor,  the work the position was                                                                    
supposed  to be  taking  care  of began  piling  up and  the                                                                    
department wanted to make sure it  was staying on top of the                                                                    
issue. She  relayed that she  had not removed  any positions                                                                    
because they  were vacant  for an  extended period  of time,                                                                    
but she  believed it  was necessary  to be  thoughtful about                                                                    
whether  the   department  was  carrying  workload   for  an                                                                    
extended period  of time without  filling the  position. She                                                                    
relayed  that  the  department scrutinized  the  vacancy  to                                                                    
determine  whether   it  was  a  recruitment   challenge  or                                                                    
something else. She believed a  position being vacant for an                                                                    
extended period  was a red flag  and a reason for  a careful                                                                    
look, but it did not  immediately necessitate getting rid of                                                                    
the position.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:16:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson asked  when the last classification                                                                    
study  had been  done for  DEC. He  asked if  there was  one                                                                    
pending.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee Pokon replied that she did not know.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson looked at  the SPAR budget on slide                                                                    
11 and asked what the "other" funding represented.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee Pokon  believed it  may be  an element                                                                    
of the commercial passenger vessel  (CPV) funds that came to                                                                    
SPAR. She deferred to Ms. Kohler for additional details.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Kohler   confirmed   that  the   statement   made   by                                                                    
Commissioner-Designee  Pokon  was  correct. She  added  that                                                                    
interagency receipts were also included.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson believed  the former  ocean ranger                                                                    
program  was housed  in  DEC.  He asked  what  the law  said                                                                    
related to  the requirement for  there to  be a ranger  on a                                                                    
large vessel.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee  Pokon   believed  that   the  statute                                                                    
currently read  that there was  an expectation for  there to                                                                    
be  an ocean  ranger on  large commercial  passenger vessels                                                                    
located in marine  waters of the state.  There was currently                                                                    
a  bill  that would  shift  to  credentialed DEC  inspectors                                                                    
boarding ships twice a year  to do compliance and regulatory                                                                    
checks.  She   believed  it  was  an   effective  regulatory                                                                    
oversight  mechanism  that  had been  implemented  the  past                                                                    
several years.  She stated that the  credentialed inspectors                                                                    
were longer  term DEC  employees with  the capacity  to view                                                                    
compliance  over time.  Additionally,  the inspectors  could                                                                    
engage with  the vessels and  responsible parties  to ensure                                                                    
compliance directly as opposed  to being observers only. She                                                                    
stated that  the statute currently called  for ocean rangers                                                                    
who were marine engineers to be present on large vessels.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:19:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson was  used to  shoreside regulation                                                                    
in recent  years; however,  he thought  it sounded  like the                                                                    
state was not technically in compliance with the law.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee  Pokon replied  that she  believed DEC                                                                    
was providing  effective oversight  of large  cruise vessels                                                                    
and  more  deliberate  oversight  of  smaller  vessels.  She                                                                    
reiterated  her earlier  remark  that  DEC had  credentialed                                                                    
inspectors on the  vessels at least twice a year  and it was                                                                    
actively    overseeing     compliance    of    environmental                                                                    
requirements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner-Designee Pokon thanked the committee for its                                                                       
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB 268 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                              
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB 270 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                              
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the schedule for the following                                                                         
day.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:20:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 2:20 p.m.