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07/17/2019 02:00 PM FINANCE

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02:03:36 PM Start
02:05:46 PM HB2001
02:08:33 PM Public Testimony
11:18:19 PM Adjourn
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                  SECOND SPECIAL SESSION                                                                                        
                       July 17, 2019                                                                                            
                         2:03 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:03:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[MEETING HELD AT THE FAIRBANKS LIO AND RECORDED IN JUNEAU]                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  called the  House Finance Committee  meeting                                                                   
to order at 2:03 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Tammie Wilson,  Co-Chair (via teleconference)                                                                    
Representative Jennifer Johnston, Vice-Chair                                                                                    
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Gary Knopp                                                                                                       
Representative Bart LeBon                                                                                                       
Representative Kelly Merrick (via teleconference)                                                                               
Representative       Colleen      Sullivan-Leonard       (via                                                                   
teleconference)                                                                                                                 
Representative Cathy Tilton (via teleconference)                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Diane  Hutchison,  Self, FBX  LIO;  Kaleene Lamb,  Self,  FBX                                                                   
LIO;  Garry  Hutchison,  Self, FBX  LIO;  Christine  Robbins,                                                                   
Self, FBX  LIO; Nancy  Sonafrank, Self,  FBX LIO;  Paul Doak,                                                                   
Self, FBX  LIO; Jessica  Vaudreuil, Self,  FBX LIO;  Wolfgang                                                                   
Falke,  Self, FBX  LIO; Kerri  Mullis, Self,  FBX LIO;  Brian                                                                   
Kassof,  Self, FBX  LIO; Elizabeth  Dobbins,  Self, FBX  LIO;                                                                   
Susan Burgess,  Self, FBX  LIO; David  James, Self,  FBX LIO;                                                                   
Jasmine Nickell,  Self, FBX LIO; Carolyn Loeffler,  Self, FBX                                                                   
LIO;  Libby Dalton  Slane,  Self,  FBX LIO;  Melanie  Engram,                                                                   
Self, FBX LIO;  Bonnie Blaydes, Soup Kitchen,  FBX LIO; Marna                                                                   
Sanford,  Tanana Chiefs  Conference,  FBX  LIO; Karen  Taber,                                                                   
Big Brother,  Big Sister of AK,  FBX LIO; Allison  Lee, Self,                                                                   
FBX LIO;  Pat Ivey, Self, FBX  LIO; Diana Ramstad,  Self, FBX                                                                   
LIO; John  Davies, Self,  FBX LIO;  Linda Schandelmer,  Self,                                                                   
FBX LIO;  Charles  Lemke,  Fairbanks Symphony, FBX  LIO; Jean                                                                   
James, Self,  FBX LIO;  Judith Grunau,  Self, FBX  LIO; Becky                                                                   
Anderson, Self, FBX  LIO; Abel Buff-Ho, Self,  FBX LIO; David                                                                   
Delong, Self,  FBX LIO; Julie  Smyth, Self, FBX  LIO; Michael                                                                   
Cook,  Self, FBX  LIO;  Bernard Hoto,  Self,  FBX LIO;  Roger                                                                   
Burggraf,  Self,  FBX  LIO;  Linda   Green,  Self,  FBX  LIO;                                                                   
Michael Russell  Lilly, Self, FBX LIO; David  McDowell, Self,                                                                   
FBX LIO; Steve  Ginnis, Self, FBX LIO; Erika  Burr, Self, FBX                                                                   
LIO; Beth Zirbes,  Self, FBX LIO; Constantine  Khrulev, Self,                                                                   
FBX  LIO;  Jeanne  Mars  Armstrong,   Self,  FBX  LIO;  Sarah                                                                   
Stanley, Self,  FBX LIO; Nate  Bauer, Self, FBX  LIO; Rachael                                                                   
Delachante,  Alaska Legal  Services,  FBX  LIO; Rob  Borland,                                                                   
Self,  Fairbanks, Alaska;  Susan  Henrichs, Self,  Fairbanks,                                                                   
Alaska;  Sue Sherif,  Self,  FBX  LIO; Lindsay  Love,  Alaska                                                                   
Legal  Services,  FBX  LIO;  Joyce  Potter,  Self,  FBX  LIO;                                                                   
Hayden Nevill,  Self, FBX  LIO; Hannoh  Foss, Self,  FBX LIO;                                                                   
Mr. Prentzel,  Self, FBX LIO;  Robyn Russell, Self,  FBX LIO;                                                                   
Teka  Lamade, Self,  FBX LIO;  Bruno Grunau,  Self, FBX  LIO;                                                                   
Ronald  Teel, Self,  FBX LIO;  Terry Chapin,  Self, FBX  LIO;                                                                   
Gordon Williams,  Self, FBX LIO; Julie Maier,  Self, FBX LIO;                                                                   
Shoshana  Kun, Fairbanks  Counseling,  FBX  LIO; Hannah  Kun,                                                                   
Self,  FBX  LIO;   Karyn  Janssen,  Self,  FBX   LIO;  Bonnie                                                                   
Wolstad, Self,  FBX LIO; Rebecca  Brice Henderson,  Self, FBX                                                                   
LIO;  Robin Weinant,  Self, FBX  LIO;  Jeanette Grasto,  NAMI                                                                   
Fairbanks,  FBX  LIO;  Pam Bradley,  Self,  FBX  LIO;  Sharon                                                                   
Alden,  Self, FBX  LIO; Alex  Thornton, Self,  FBX LIO;  Alex                                                                   
Ramos, Self, FBX  LIO; John Corning, Self,  FBX LIO; Michelle                                                                   
Harpole,  Self, FBX  LIO; Edward  Alexander,  Self, FBX  LIO;                                                                   
Lara Lotze, Self,  FBX LIO; Melanie Lindholm,  Self, FBX LIO;                                                                   
Anne  Zuggles, Self,  FBX LIO;  Christopher Zimmerman,  Self,                                                                   
FBX LIO; Thomas  Suchland, Self, FBX LIO; Martha  Hood, Self,                                                                   
FBX  LIO;  Darlene  Herbert, Self,  FBX  LIO;  Jamie  Rogers,                                                                   
Self, FBX  LIO; Kristan Kelly,  Self, FBX LIO;  Kara Carlson,                                                                   
Self, FBX  LIO; Joshua Jason  Lazarus, Self, FBX  LIO; Deanna                                                                   
Lazarus,  Self,  FBX  LIO;  Terrence  Cole,  Self,  FBX  LIO;                                                                   
Elizabeth Seigel, Self,  FBX  LIO; Anne  Biberman, Self,  FBX                                                                   
LIO; Anna Godduhm,  Self, FBX LIO; Cheryl Kilgore,  Self, FBX                                                                   
LIO; Erik Largen,  Self, FBX LIO; Sharon Lockwood,  Self, FBX                                                                   
LIO;  Molly Proue,  Self, FBX  LIO; Shane  Brodie, Self,  FBX                                                                   
LIO;  Jomo  Stewart,  Self,  FBX  LIO;  Daniel  Gerstenfield,                                                                   
Self,  FBX  LIO;  Anne  Brenner-Armstrong,   Self,  FBX  LIO;                                                                   
Kristen  Schupp, Self,  FBX LIO;  Robert  Burgess, Self,  FBX                                                                   
LIO; Jessica Pena,  Self, FBX LIO; Michelle  Ethun, Self, FBX                                                                   
LIO;  Brianna Wu,  Self, FBX  LIO; Mark  Lockwood, Self,  FBX                                                                   
LIO; Mindy  O'Neal, Self,  FBX LIO;  David Leslie,  Self, FBX                                                                   
LIO;  Phoebe  Rohrbacher,  Self, FBX  LIO;  Ginny  (Virginia)                                                                   
Redmond,  Self, FBX LIO;  Jennifer Delamere,  Self, FBX  LIO;                                                                   
Liz  Lyke,  FNSB  Assembly  Member,  FBX  LIO;  Sveta  Yamin-                                                                   
Paternak, Self,  FBX LIO; Sue  Sprinkle, Self, FBX  LIO; Lisa                                                                   
Villano, Self,  FBX LIO; Abigial  North, Self, FBX  LIO; Mary                                                                   
Nebert,  Self, FBX  LIO;  John David  "JD"  Ragan, Self,  FBX                                                                   
LIO;  Cole Richards,  Self, FBX  LIO;  Julia Gestrich,  Self,                                                                   
FBX  LIO; Liam  Toney, Self,  FBX LIO;  Randy Griffin,  Self,                                                                   
FBX  LIO;  Andy   Durny,  Self,  FBX  LIO;   Maegan  Daniello                                                                   
Weltzin,  Self, FBX  LIO; Albert  Sonafrank,  Self, FBX  LIO;                                                                   
Theresa  Tomczak,  UAF  Athletics,  FBX  LIO;  Chris  Miller,                                                                   
Self, FBX  LIO; Joe  Mattie, UAF  Athletics, FBX LIO;  Sandra                                                                   
Costa-Mattie,  UAF Athletics,  FBX  LIO;  June Rogers,  Self,                                                                   
FBX LIO; Artem  Zhdonov, Self, FBX LIO; Ann  Marie Rutkowski,                                                                   
Self, FBX  LIO; Senator  Scott Kawasaki; Representative  Adam                                                                   
Wool; Representative Steve Thompson.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Lansing  Hayes,  Self,  Wrangell; Susi  Gregg  Fowler,  Self,                                                                   
Juneau   LIO;   Erin   Walker-Tolles,   Executive   Director,                                                                   
Catholic  Community  Service,  Juneau LIO;  Charles  Swanton,                                                                   
Self,  Juneau LIO;  Maureen  Longworth,  Self, Kodiak;  Terry                                                                   
Haines,  Self, Kodiak;  Eric  Linscheid,  Self, Kodiak;  Mila                                                                   
Cosgrove,  City  and  Borough  of Juneau,  Deputy  City  Mgr,                                                                   
Juneau;  Kevin  Krein,  Self, Juneau;  Elliot  Wilson,  Self,                                                                   
Fairbanks; Phyllis  Erhart, Self,  Tanana; Elise  Kubo, Self,                                                                   
Petersburg; Sonta  Roach, Self, Shaqeluk; Jim  Dowdson, Self,                                                                   
Kotzebue; Mike  Scott, Self,  Kotzebue; Barbara  Haney, Self,                                                                   
North  Pole;  Martha  Mallott,  Self  and  Yakutat  Community                                                                   
Health Center,  Yakutat; Daniel Lynch, Self,  Soldotna; Julie                                                                   
Nielsen,  Self,  Juneau  LIO; Jason  Tandler,  Self,  Kodiak;                                                                   
Martha McKiney,  Self, Kodiak; Don Crandall,  Anchorage Faith                                                                   
and Action  Congregations Together, Anchorage;  Rhonda Pitka,                                                                   
Beaver Village  Council, Beaver  Village; Lisa Smith  Fiegel,                                                                   
Self,  Anchorage;  Howard  Maxwell,  Self,  Fairbanks;  Carly                                                                   
Sween, Self, Fairbanks;  Ken Griffin, Self,  Wasilla; Jessica                                                                   
Girard, Fairbanks  Climate Action Coalition,  Fairbanks; Karl                                                                   
Monetti,  Self,  North  Pole; Michelle  Thomas,  Self,  North                                                                   
Pole;  Williams  Lambert,  Self,  North  Pole;  Rae  Trainor-                                                                   
Wright,  Self,   Fairbanks;  Gale   Vick,  Self,   Fairbanks;                                                                   
Brittany   Karns,  Self,  Fairbanks;   Becca  Bardo,   Arctic                                                                   
Alliance   for  People,   Fairbanks;   Brett  Frazer,   Self,                                                                   
Anchorage;  Irene Henry,  Self,  Allakaket; Joseph  Stratman,                                                                   
Self, Petersburg; Ken Papp, Self, Fairbanks.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 2001   APPROP: ERA FOR PERMANENT FUND DIVIDENDS                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          HB 2001 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                           
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the agenda for the meeting.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 2001                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act making a special appropriation from the                                                                            
     earnings reserve account for the payment of permanent                                                                      
     fund dividends; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:05:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  reviewed meeting  protocol. He  provided the                                                                   
House Finance Committee email address.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair    Johnston    provided   information    on    the                                                                   
microphones.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PUBLIC TESTIMONY                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:08:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIANE  HUTCHISON,  SELF,  FBX  LIO, stressed  the  issue  was                                                                   
bipartisan  and  needed  a bipartisan  solution.  She  was  a                                                                   
University  of  Fairbanks alumni.  She  provided  information                                                                   
about the  history of the Permanent  Fund. She read  that the                                                                   
all income from  the fund was to be deposited  in the General                                                                   
Fund.  The  principal   and  the  corpus  of   the  fund  was                                                                   
constitutionally   protected.   The  first   Permanent   Fund                                                                   
Dividend  (PFD) had  been $50  per year; it  would have  been                                                                   
capped by a certain  time. She found it hard  to believe that                                                                   
a $3,000  dividend would  have passed  when the dividend  had                                                                   
been implemented.  She discussed her ties to  the University.                                                                   
She   shared  a   story  about   individuals  utilizing   the                                                                   
University. She  asked the legislature  and governor  to quit                                                                   
playing political games and develop a compromise.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:12:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KALEENE LAMB,  SELF, FBX  LIO, did not  support a cut  to the                                                                   
dividend.  She  shared  that  she  would  be  on  the  street                                                                   
without  the PFD.  She  spoke against  cuts  to the  Medicaid                                                                   
adult  preventative  dental  program.  She  shared  that  she                                                                   
worked for  a grocery  store. She  stressed that  individuals                                                                   
who  did not  have money  could not  go to  the dentist.  She                                                                   
needed  coverage.   She  believed   it  was  not   right  for                                                                   
individuals to not have coverage.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:14:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GARRY  HUTCHISON,  SELF, FBX  LIO,  identified  himself as  a                                                                   
Republican. He shared  that the University had  given him the                                                                   
opportunity  to improve  his education.  He  was appalled  at                                                                   
the  governor's  attack on  the  University.  He thanked  the                                                                   
committee for helping  with the budget that  was presented to                                                                   
the governor  that left money for  a $929 PFD. He  thought it                                                                   
represented a  success when considering  a recent  $4 billion                                                                   
deficit.  He  supported the  use  of  the percent  of  market                                                                   
value (POMV) draw.  He stated it was not possible  to fix the                                                                   
budget with  cuts alone.  He thought  the governor's  actions                                                                   
were outrageous.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:16:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINE  ROBBINS,  SELF,  FBX LIO,  testified  against  the                                                                   
bill.  She  supported  the  governor  and  a  full  PFD.  She                                                                   
thought taking  a portion of the  PFD away was not  right and                                                                   
was  socialism.  She  noted that  the  majority  of  Alaskans                                                                   
voted for  the governor. She  supported the cuts  and vetoes.                                                                   
She spoke to the sacrifices all Alaskans made.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:18:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  SONAFRANK, SELF,  FBX LIO,  supported  a reduction  in                                                                   
the  PFD  and/or taxing  residents.  She  shared  information                                                                   
about her  life in  Alaska. She  had attended the  University                                                                   
in  Fairbanks.  She  strongly   objected  to  the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes  and   the  loss   of  funding   to  the  Power   Cost                                                                   
Equalization  (PCE) program.  She  asked  the legislature  to                                                                   
restore  cut services.  She demanded  a  cut to  the oil  tax                                                                   
credits. She thanked the committee for its time.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:20:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL DOAK,  SELF, FBX LIO,  found it disturbing  the dividend                                                                   
continued  to come  up over and  over. He  stressed that  the                                                                   
dividend  had  precedence  and  should  not  be  changed.  He                                                                   
thought  it needed  to go  to a vote  of the  people. He  was                                                                   
disappointed  in  legislators.   He  did  not  think  it  was                                                                   
appropriate to  live beyond someone's  means. He  believed in                                                                   
small government  and did not  believe the government  should                                                                   
have  any hand  in spending  the people's  money. He  thought                                                                   
Alaska had  been the last free  place in the country;  but it                                                                   
was not  any longer.  He did  not care  about the  budget but                                                                   
could not pay his fuel bill if the money was taken.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:23:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JESSICA  VAUDREUIL,  SELF, FBX  LIO,  opposed  the bill.  She                                                                   
wanted  a full  PFD, primarily  to fund  private schools  for                                                                   
her children.  She thought public schools  were uninhabitable                                                                   
places due  to gender identity  support and she  stated there                                                                   
were  more pride  flags than  American flags.  She wanted  to                                                                   
know  why  everyone  had to  celebrate  diversity  in  public                                                                   
schools. She wanted a full PFD.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:26:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WOLFGANG  FALKE, SELF,  FBX LIO,  thanked  the committee  for                                                                   
coming to Fairbanks.  He did not support all of  the cuts and                                                                   
the  reduction  in the  PFD.  He  asked  why the  ranking  of                                                                   
Alaska's  educational institutions  among the  lowest in  the                                                                   
nation and the cost per student was among the highest.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:30:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KERRI MULLIS,  SELF, FBX LIO,  opposed the bill.  She thought                                                                   
the legislature  had set  into motion  something that  Alaska                                                                   
would  not  recover  from.  She stated  that  it  had  pitted                                                                   
people against  one another. She  did not support  taking the                                                                   
PFD;  she thought  it was  theft.  Her family  and farm  were                                                                   
struggling. She  shared that she  used her PFD for  her farm,                                                                   
but it  was getting  tighter and  tighter. She supported  the                                                                   
governor  and  his proposed  constitutional  amendments.  She                                                                   
spoke  about poor  school scores  in the  state. She  thought                                                                   
the  state  had  been  throwing  money  at  the  schools  and                                                                   
University,  but it  was not working.  She  opposed a  cut to                                                                   
the PFD.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:35:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN KASSOF,  SELF, FBX LIO,  spoke in support of  the bill.                                                                   
He was  opposed to  the governor's  vetoes that would  punish                                                                   
the  state   and  negatively   impact  the  most   vulnerable                                                                   
Alaskans.  He stressed the  cuts would  drive the  state into                                                                   
recession.  He urged  the  legislators who  had  not been  in                                                                   
Juneau  the  past  week  to  sit   down  and  negotiate  with                                                                   
colleagues  on a  compromise.  He pointed  to the  governor's                                                                   
claim that  there was  a choice  between government  services                                                                   
and a full PFD  - he disputed the claim. He  did not want the                                                                   
governor's promised PFD. He wanted a functional state.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  relayed that the governor had  just modified                                                                   
his special session call to meet in Juneau.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:38:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ELIZABETH  DOBBINS, SELF, FBX  LIO, spoke  in support  of the                                                                   
bill. She highlighted  sections of the constitution  that the                                                                   
legislature  shall   provide  for  welfare  of   the  state's                                                                   
citizens. She stressed  that the provisions did  not mean the                                                                   
welfare   of   the  legislature,   governor,   or   corporate                                                                   
interests. She asked  the legislature to restore  any funding                                                                   
possible.  She   spoke  to   the  importance  of   supporting                                                                   
citizens' health and welfare.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:40:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LANSING  HAYES,  SELF,  WRANGELL  (via  teleconference),  was                                                                   
opposed to  the bill. He relied  on the PFD and wanted  it to                                                                   
be  continued. He  did not  think  the PFD  should be  fought                                                                   
over or taken for residents' hands.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:42:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUSI  GREGG FOWLER,  SELF, JUNEAU  LIO (via  teleconference),                                                                   
testified in favor  of the bill. She pointed  to the shocking                                                                   
news  of  the   University's  downgrading  by   Moody's.  She                                                                   
clarified  it meant  that  any  borrowing would  become  more                                                                   
expensive.  She pointed out  that Alaska  was the  only state                                                                   
now  without  an arts  council.  She  opposed cuts  to  human                                                                   
services.  She   opposed  the  governor's  vetoes   that  she                                                                   
believed were  a slap in the  face to the  legislature's work                                                                   
on  a compromise.  She supported  the smaller  PFD and  would                                                                   
support  scaling back  services  over a  period  of years  if                                                                   
cuts  were   necessary.   She  did  not   believe  that   was                                                                   
necessary.  She  supported  cuts  to  oil  tax  credits.  She                                                                   
honored the courage it took to review fiscal policy.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:45:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIN WALKER-TOLLES,  EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR, CATHOLIC  COMMUNITY                                                                   
SERVICE,  JUNEAU  LIO  (via  teleconference),  supported  the                                                                   
legislation.  She was  concerned  about  the most  vulnerable                                                                   
Alaskans  including   children,  seniors,   individuals  with                                                                   
disabilities, and  all Alaskans.  She opposed the  vetoes and                                                                   
a massive  PFD.  The plan  would cause  suffering all  across                                                                   
the state.  She believed the  governor's plan would  send the                                                                   
state  into   economic  chaos  and  would   limit  children's                                                                   
opportunities  for  education,  resilience,  and  other.  She                                                                   
asked  the legislature  to  consider what  it  meant for  the                                                                   
future  of Alaska.  She asked  for services  balanced with  a                                                                   
reasonable PFD.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:47:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHARLES  SWANTON,  SELF,  JUNEAU  LIO  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
supported  the  bill. He  reported  he  was a  former  deputy                                                                   
commissioner for  the Department of  Fish and Game  (DFG). He                                                                   
had  seen  many  communities   across  the  state  firsthand;                                                                   
however,  given  revenue  challenges   facing  the  state,  a                                                                   
$3,000  PFD  was  not  feasible.  The  state  had  a  revenue                                                                   
problem.  He supported  a comprehensive  fiscal plan  for the                                                                   
state. He  implored the legislature  to develop  and complete                                                                   
a plan.  He asked the legislature  to restore all  vetoes. He                                                                   
came  to Alaska  in 1979  as a  transfer student  to UAF.  He                                                                   
held  the  University as  near  and  dear  to his  heart.  He                                                                   
stressed the system  needed a review that should  not involve                                                                   
faculty. He thanked the committee for its time and work.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  asked if  Mr.  Swanton had  looked                                                                   
into the $1 million cut to DFG and habitat and subsistence.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Swanton  replied that  he  had  not been  following  the                                                                   
budget debate with  regard to DFG. His understanding  was DFG                                                                   
was one  of the few departments  that had received  favorable                                                                   
attention  from a  fiscal  standpoint. He  was  not aware  of                                                                   
where  the $1  million  cut was  directed.  He addressed  two                                                                   
PCNs  and noted  that  in  terms of  some  of  the work  that                                                                   
needed to be  done, the positions could offer  protection and                                                                   
oversight  for   services  and  oversight.  He   thought  the                                                                   
positions  offered  a  level of  broader  perspective  during                                                                   
directors'   meetings   within   the  department   that   was                                                                   
beneficial.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:53:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN BURGESS, SELF,  FBX LIO, spoke in support  of the bill.                                                                   
She  was dismayed  by  the governor's  vetoes  and found  the                                                                   
cuts  to   the  University   dismaying.  She  supported   the                                                                   
compromise budget  passed by the legislature.  She referenced                                                                   
the  recent  downgrade  by  Moody's   to  the  University  of                                                                   
Alaska.  She had  been told  by her  representatives that  it                                                                   
was not too late  to put some money back into  the budget and                                                                   
she hoped it was true.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:55:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  JAMES,  SELF,  FBX  LIO,   shared  the  importance  of                                                                   
education with  a personal story.  He opposed  the governor's                                                                   
cuts  to the  University  System.  His father  valued  higher                                                                   
education  greatly. He  implored members  to restore  funding                                                                   
to the University.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:57:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASMINE NICKELL,  SELF, FBX LIO,  testified in support  of HB
2001. She indicated  that Alaska was a unique  state. She did                                                                   
not  agree with  the governor's  approach to  taking care  of                                                                   
Alaskans.  She  spoke  of  attending  the  University  System                                                                   
which had led to  a profitable job for her.  She talked about                                                                   
working at  a homeless youth  facility in Fairbanks.  She did                                                                   
not  think it  was  okay  to give  up  on Alaska.  She  asked                                                                   
members to fix the state's issues.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:00:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAROLYN LOEFFLER,  SELF, FBX LIO,  supported HB 2001  and the                                                                   
committee  substitute.   She  spoke  in  opposition   to  the                                                                   
governor's  cuts  to  the budget.  She  felt  the  governor's                                                                   
actions  were  irresponsible.  She  believed  the  governor's                                                                   
budget  had  thrown the  baby  out  with the  bathwater.  She                                                                   
asserted  that the  PFD had  slowly eroded  the economy.  She                                                                   
favored  a tax and  for her  PFD to  be taken. She  supported                                                                   
the legislature's bipartisan efforts.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:03:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIBBY DALTON  SLANE, SELF, FBX  LIO, testified  in opposition                                                                   
to HB  2001. She highlighted  spending statistics  throughout                                                                   
the country  on education. She  supported cuts  to education.                                                                   
She supported  alternative sources  of revenues. She  did not                                                                   
agree with all  of the governor's vetoes and the  cuts to the                                                                   
University  were  crippling.   She  stressed  there  was  not                                                                   
enough money to go around anymore.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:06:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAUREEN   LONGWORTH,  SELF,   KODIAK  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
testified  in support of  the bill.  She supported  a reduced                                                                   
PFD and  funding for the  ferries, healthcare,  and services.                                                                   
Without the  restoration of services  people would  be forced                                                                   
to leave Alaska.  She pointed out that people  were afraid to                                                                   
invest  in Alaska.  She asked  the legislature  to take  back                                                                   
the state and restore services.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:07:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TERRY HAINES,  SELF, KODIAK  (via teleconference),  testified                                                                   
in support  of the  bill. He  thought the  state was  turning                                                                   
itself  into a  third  world country.  He  stressed that  the                                                                   
dysfunctional  budget meant no  one wanted  to invest  in the                                                                   
state. He supported  the budget passed by the  legislature in                                                                   
the current year.  He thought the state needed  a fiscal plan                                                                   
and broad-based  tax. He supported  an income tax,  sales tax                                                                   
or  combination  of both.  He  stated  that all  of  Alaska's                                                                   
wealth came  from rural  areas. He  thought the state  needed                                                                   
to give back with PCE or other.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:10:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIC LINSCHEID,  SELF, KODIAK (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                   
favor  of  the bill.  The  bill  included a  capital  budget,                                                                   
funds  for services,  and a  reduced PFD.  He asked  Alaskans                                                                   
what size PFD  they wanted. He considered a  $3,000 dividend.                                                                   
He  stated that  there was  enough to  pay a  $3,000 PFD  for                                                                   
five years and  then it would be reduced to  zero. He thought                                                                   
there should be  information on the website  to help Alaskans                                                                   
understand the impact of the different PFD sizes.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:12:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MILA COSGROVE, CITY  AND BOROUGH OF JUNEAU,  DEPUTY CITY MGR,                                                                   
JUNEAU (via teleconference),  urged the committee  to restore                                                                   
funding  to essential  public services.  The governor's  cuts                                                                   
were  harmful to  Alaskans  and  would create  economic  harm                                                                   
likely pushing  the state  into another  recession.  The city                                                                   
would lose  $5.5 million  in FY 20.  The cuts came  after the                                                                   
city  worked  hard  and  long   to  create  its  budget.  She                                                                   
reviewed   entities  that   would   lose  funding   including                                                                   
education,    University,    social    services,    workforce                                                                   
development,  and other.  The  city understood  that  budgets                                                                   
were  challenging,  but it  was  irresponsible  to make  cuts                                                                   
without   determining   their   impacts   or   working   with                                                                   
communities.  She requested  the legislature  to find  a path                                                                   
forward  that balanced  long-term  sustainability and  fiscal                                                                   
responsibility.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:15:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  KREIN, SELF,  JUNEAU  (via teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                   
support  of  the  legislation.   He  opposed  the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes.  He  stressed  that  earing   a  dividend  could  not                                                                   
replace  earning a living  and a  healthy economy;  dividends                                                                   
could  supplement an  income but  could not  replace one.  He                                                                   
did  not believe  Alaska's  dependence  on  oil as  its  sole                                                                   
source  of  revenue   was  feasible  in  the   long-term.  He                                                                   
stressed  the  need  to diversify  the  state's  economy.  He                                                                   
stated  that   the  vetoes  would  have   long-term  negative                                                                   
consequences for Alaska.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:18:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ELLIOT   WILSON,   SELF,  FAIRBANKS   (via   teleconference),                                                                   
provided  two  scenarios  about   the  fiscal  situation.  He                                                                   
suggested  progressive  PFDs.  He  shared that  his  PFD  had                                                                   
helped him  substantially  over the years.  He detailed  that                                                                   
he no  longer needed  the PFD;  however, it  would help  many                                                                   
families who  needed it.  He stressed  the importance  of the                                                                   
PFD  to low  income  families.  He  voiced support  for  Head                                                                   
Start and  early education. He  understood the state  spent a                                                                   
lot of  money on  the budget,  but the  state received  large                                                                   
federal matching grants.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:22:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MELANIE  ENGRAM,  SELF, FBX  LIO,  spoke  in support  of  the                                                                   
bill. She  strongly supported  an override of  the governor's                                                                   
vetoes  and supported  a PFD  of  about $960.  She wanted  to                                                                   
increase  revenue  by  reducing  the  oil  tax  credits.  She                                                                   
supported  an   income  tax.  She  believed   state  spending                                                                   
reductions  were   needed,  but   they  needed  to   be  done                                                                   
responsibly.  She supported  a robust  state government.  She                                                                   
supported funds  for road construction,  Head Start,  and the                                                                   
University.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Adam Wool  remarked  on  testimony about  the                                                                   
need to  reduce the state's budget.  He stated that  about $1                                                                   
billion  had  been cut  from  the  budget  in the  past  five                                                                   
years. He  spoke to  points on  the constitution and  pointed                                                                   
out that the PFD  was not part of the constitution.  He spoke                                                                   
to  marijuana, alcohol,  and  motor  fuel taxes  and  revenue                                                                   
they  each  brought  in.  He  noted  that  the  governor  was                                                                   
elected  to run  the executive  branch  and legislators  were                                                                   
all elected to the legislative branch.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:27:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BONNIE BLAYDES,  SOUP KITCHEN, FBX LIO, testified  in support                                                                   
of the  bill. She shared that  state services had  helped her                                                                   
with addiction,  job skills,  and to  be a productive  member                                                                   
of society.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:28:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARNA SANFORD,  TANANA CHIEFS CONFERENCE, FBX  LIO, testified                                                                   
in support  of the  bill. She  highlighted the importance  of                                                                   
Medicaid.  She reported  the dollars put  into Medicaid  came                                                                   
back many times  over to society. She stressed  opposition to                                                                   
the  Power   Cost  Equalization  (PCE)  reverse   sweep.  She                                                                   
underscored  that the PCE  was not  a giveaway. She  reported                                                                   
high  energy  costs  in  rural   communities.  She  supported                                                                   
libraries,  public  defenders,   courts,  community  matching                                                                   
grants. The services provided by the state were critical.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:32:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Foster    noted   that   Representative    Tilton,                                                                   
Representative  Sullivan-Leonard, and Representative  Merrick                                                                   
were all listening on the phone.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:32:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN TABER,  BIG BROTHER, BIG  SISTER OF AK, FBX  LIO, spoke                                                                   
in support  of the bill. She  loved the state and  loved that                                                                   
it cared  about its  people. She  spoke to  the need  to care                                                                   
for the most  vulnerable people. She supported  a reversal of                                                                   
the governor's vetoes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:34:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALLISON LEE,  SELF, FBX  LIO, supported  the bill.  She spoke                                                                   
in  support  of  a  viable  budget   compromise.  She  shared                                                                   
information  about  her  work  in  Alaska  with  seniors  and                                                                   
disabled.  She  spoke  to  the importance  of  work  to  help                                                                   
individuals with  health and safety. She asked  the committee                                                                   
to  stand  behind  its  work  on  a  compromise  budget.  She                                                                   
supported  funds   for  seniors,  children,   and  vulnerable                                                                   
Alaskans. She provided  a quote related to  solving problems.                                                                   
She thanked  the committee for  its hard work. She  asked the                                                                   
legislature to implement a tax on citizens.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:37:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT IVEY,  SELF, FBX LIO, spoke  in support of the  bill. She                                                                   
stressed  the importance  of funds  for  the University.  She                                                                   
noted that  UAF was  one of  the top  ten US universities  of                                                                   
its size. She  highlighted Arctic research. She  opposed cuts                                                                   
to senior  programs such  as Meals  on Wheels. She  supported                                                                   
the  committee's efforts  to restore  the governor's  vetoes.                                                                   
She pointed  out that  every other  entity  in the U.S.  that                                                                   
gave  dividends did  not distribute  them when  there was  no                                                                   
money.  Alaskans  were suffering  stress  due  to the  budget                                                                   
problems facing  the state.  She invited  members to  a local                                                                   
event.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool  spoke to the UAF rating  and pointed out                                                                   
that  the number  one  university in  that  category was  Cal                                                                   
Tech.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:41:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PHYLLIS   ERHART,   SELF,   TANANA    (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported the bill  and opposed the vetoes.  She opposed cuts                                                                   
to  Head Start,  the  Village  Public Safety  Officer  (VPSO)                                                                   
program,  the  University, public  services,  PCE,  community                                                                   
matching  grants,  and other.  She  shared  that all  of  her                                                                   
children  had benefitted  from  Head Start.  She stated  that                                                                   
the  community  would  lose  employees  due to  cuts  to  the                                                                   
University. She  stressed that  the elimination of  PCE funds                                                                   
would triple  the energy bills  in rural Alaska.  She thanked                                                                   
the  committee and  hoped  the cuts  would  be reversed.  She                                                                   
supported  working together.  She wanted  the legislature  to                                                                   
stop  the abuse  of  power. She  stressed  the importance  of                                                                   
education  and scholarship  programs.  She  pointed out  that                                                                   
many people opposed the cuts.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:45:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ELISE  KUBO, SELF,  PETERSBURG (via  teleconference),  was in                                                                   
favor  of   the  bill.  She   supported  the   arts  council,                                                                   
education,  AMHS,  the  University,  education  grants,  Head                                                                   
Start, early education,  and healthcare. She did  not support                                                                   
a $3,000 PFD,  which was no substitute for  consistent income                                                                   
that would be lost by people losing their jobs.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:47:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SONTA ROACH,  SELF, SHAQELUK (via teleconference),  supported                                                                   
the  bill and  a  restoration  of the  budget  passed by  the                                                                   
legislature.  She  shared  that  she  was a  teacher  in  the                                                                   
community and  a business owner.  She spoke to the  access to                                                                   
opportunity  in  the  University  system.  She  attended  the                                                                   
University  of Alaska.  She supported  PCE  that helped  with                                                                   
high rural  energy costs.  She reported  she and her  husband                                                                   
had decided  to go off the grid  due to high energy  costs in                                                                   
the community. Entities  in Alaska were expert  at leveraging                                                                   
funds. She did  not believe the governor should  have as much                                                                   
control over  the state -  elected legislators  were familiar                                                                   
with their communities.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:50:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIM DOWDSON,  SELF, KOTZEBUE (via teleconference),  supported                                                                   
the  bill. He  was  opposed to  unstudied  cuts to  essential                                                                   
services.  He  provided an  example  of  how the  cuts  would                                                                   
impact  the  community.   He  shared  that  there   had  been                                                                   
substantial   growth  in   the  military   industry  in   the                                                                   
Fairbanks  region  that had  created  hundreds  of jobs.  The                                                                   
military sector  was attracted to  the region in part  of the                                                                   
UAF  research  system.  The  two   entities  worked  together                                                                   
almost  daily. He  stated that  the  forefathers had  created                                                                   
the  Permanent   Fund  to  help  with   essential  government                                                                   
services.  He urged  the  committee  to restore  budget  cuts                                                                   
made by the  governor. He stressed that the  cuts would drive                                                                   
the state  into a  deep recession  that would  last for  many                                                                   
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:53:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  SCOTT,  SELF,  KOTZEBUE  (via  teleconference),  shared                                                                   
information  about  his  career   working  for  various  city                                                                   
governments in Alaska.  He supported the PCE  program. He had                                                                   
worked  with former  Governor  Jay Hammond  who  had been  an                                                                   
ardent supporter  of the  Permanent Fund.  He referenced  PCE                                                                   
that was  about equalization.  He provided information  about                                                                   
the history  of energy  programs in  the state including  the                                                                   
past  Four Dam  Pool  project.  He believed  the  legislature                                                                   
needed to prioritize  lifeline services that were  needed for                                                                   
residents to live.  He stressed the energy  services were not                                                                   
extravagant.  He  thought  an  area  differential  should  be                                                                   
applied to the  PFD because $1,000 in Ambler did  not buy the                                                                   
same amount it would buy in Anchorage.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:58:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIANA RAMSTAD,  SELF, FBX LIO,  shared information  about her                                                                   
family's history  in Alaska. She  shared that she lived  in a                                                                   
dry  cabin.   She  shared  personal  information   about  her                                                                   
health. She had  worked to learn to communicate,  and she was                                                                   
accepted  into the University  of Alaska  Fairbanks (UAF)  to                                                                   
study to become  an elementary school teacher.  She urged the                                                                   
committee  to restore the  cuts affected  by the vetoes.  She                                                                   
relayed that she  had always accepted PFDs and  even with her                                                                   
financial   hardships   she   planned   to  donate   to   the                                                                   
University. She appreciated the ability to testify.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:02:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN DAVIES,  SELF, FBX LIO, testified  in favor of  HB 2001.                                                                   
He  spoke  in  support  of  funding  for  the  University  of                                                                   
Alaska.  He  shared  that  the  Elementary  School  Education                                                                   
program had received  a national education  accreditation and                                                                   
was ranked 16th  in the country. He felt that  the university                                                                   
system  should   be  state  funded.  He  remarked   that  the                                                                   
University provided  92 percent of the  workforce development                                                                   
in the  state. He felt  that a 41  percent cut would  destroy                                                                   
the University.  He remarked that  students were  choosing to                                                                   
go to  college elsewhere,  and that  the university's  credit                                                                   
rating had recently been downgraded.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:06:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LINDA SCHANDELMER,  SELF, FBX  LIO, urged the  restoration of                                                                   
funding  and  reverse  sweep so  the  scholarships  could  be                                                                   
reenacted.  She felt  that the  governor's  vetoes would  gut                                                                   
the university system.  She shared a story of  how the budget                                                                   
cuts  were  already impacting  Alaskans.  She  spoke  against                                                                   
cuts  to  public  broadcasting;   she  spoke  in  support  of                                                                   
funding  for K-12  education programs;  and  opposed cuts  to                                                                   
the Alaska State Council on the Arts.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:08:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHARLES LEMKE, FAIRBANKS  SYMPHONY, FBX LIO, felt  that there                                                                   
should be  an examination  of all the  impacts of  the budget                                                                   
cuts. He shared  that there was a strong music  department at                                                                   
UAF. He felt  that further cuts and elimination  of the music                                                                   
department   could    eliminate   the   Fairbanks    Symphony                                                                   
Orchestra.  He remarked  that it  would continue  to have  an                                                                   
impact on many other Fairbanks music programming.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:11:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEAN  JAMES, SELF,  FBX  LIO, felt  that  everyone needed  to                                                                   
vote.  She  noted  that  only  approximately  23  percent  of                                                                   
registered voters  voted for the governor. She  felt that the                                                                   
governor did not  have the majority of Alaska's  support. She                                                                   
remarked that the  governor had stated that he  would not cut                                                                   
the   University  budget.   She   urged   the  committee   to                                                                   
reestablish the budget.  She stressed that there  should be a                                                                   
discussion  about  the oil  tax  credits.  She also  noted  a                                                                   
concern  about the  state's  bond  rating. She  believed  the                                                                   
state  needed  to  increase its  revenues  and  supported  an                                                                   
income tax.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:14:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JUDITH GRUNAU,  SELF, FBX LIO,  spoke in support of  HB 2001,                                                                   
and   the  reduction   to  the   PFD.   She  encouraged   the                                                                   
legislature  to examine  other sources  of revenue. She  also                                                                   
spoke in support  of an income tax. She felt  that Alaska was                                                                   
one big small state.  She also spoke in support  of the State                                                                   
Council on the Arts.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:17:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BECKY ANDERSON, SELF,  FBX LIO, spoke in support  of HB 2001.                                                                   
She spoke  in support of saving  the Alaska State  Council on                                                                   
the Arts.  She read a statement  from one of the  founders of                                                                   
the Alaska Council  on the Arts. She remarked  that without a                                                                   
state  commitment to  the  Alaska Council  on  the Arts,  the                                                                   
agency would  not be  eligible to secure  a share  of federal                                                                   
arts funds.  She asked  the legislature  to come together  to                                                                   
devise  a  more sensical  budget  that  would not  cause  the                                                                   
state to implode.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Knopp shared that  he had recently  read that                                                                   
the  Alaska  State  Council  on   the  Arts  had  closed  its                                                                   
Anchorage office.  He asked what would happen  if funding was                                                                   
restored.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Anderson  replied  it was  her  understanding  that  the                                                                   
office had  closed but the council  was in a  holding pattern                                                                   
hoping that funds would be reinstated into the budget.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:22:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ABEL BUFF-HO,  SELF, FBX LIO,  spoke in strong support  of HB
2001. He  shared that he  is a professor  at UAF and  owned a                                                                   
small  biotech startup  company  with his  wife. He  believed                                                                   
the  governor's vetoes  would  bring the  state  back to  the                                                                   
dark  ages. He  pointed  out that  the PFD  check  was not  a                                                                   
right, but a  privilege. He suggested a compromise  by making                                                                   
the  PFD income  dependent so  that the  governor could  give                                                                   
$3,000  to residents  who needed  it  most and  give $500  to                                                                   
residents who  did not need it.  He asked the  legislature to                                                                   
unite and develop a reasonable compromise.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:24:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID DELONG, SELF,  FBX LIO spoke in support of  HB 2001. He                                                                   
shared  that he  had two  sons  in the  Fairbanks North  Star                                                                   
school system who  were receiving an excellent  education. He                                                                   
thought  the   governor  was   perpetrating  destruction   on                                                                   
Alaska.  He emphasized  that the  cuts would  cost the  state                                                                   
millions  of  federal  matching dollars  for  road  projects,                                                                   
research funds, and  other. He stressed that  the PFD program                                                                   
was  a socialist  program.  He  recalled that  the  Permanent                                                                   
Fund  had been  established as  a method  to fund  government                                                                   
when oil  money ran out.  He supported discontinuing  oil tax                                                                   
credits.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:27:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JULIE SMYTH,  SELF, FBX  LIO, spoke  in support of  education                                                                   
programs. She testified  in opposition to education  cuts and                                                                   
vetoes.  She shared  that  she was  a student  at  UAF -  she                                                                   
needed to  make sure  she had  a school  to attend  and could                                                                   
not afford to leave the state.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Johnston asked what PSH and IAC stood for.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Smyth  replied that  PSH stood  for Permanent  Supportive                                                                   
Housing  and  IAC  stood  for   Interior  Alaska  Center  for                                                                   
Nonviolent  Living.   She  provided  information   about  the                                                                   
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:32:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL COOK,  SELF, FBX  LIO, highlighted  that the  PFD had                                                                   
been voted  on by the people  of Alaska based on  the promise                                                                   
that its earnings  would fund government. He  stressed it was                                                                   
important   to   keep   that  process.   He   supported   the                                                                   
legislature's  original  budget.  He listed  important  items                                                                   
needed  by  the industries  of  Alaska.  He stated  that  the                                                                   
socialistic  model  of  issuing  a PFD  that  was  too  large                                                                   
needed  to   be  used  carefully   or  there  would   not  be                                                                   
reasonable investment  in a successful capitalistic  economy.                                                                   
He stressed  the need for  investment in education  beginning                                                                   
with Pre-K.  He highlighted  the need  for public  safety. He                                                                   
felt that a  reasonable dividend at approximately  $1,000 was                                                                   
acceptable.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:34:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Johnston  shared that she knew the  testifier. She                                                                   
asked  for verification  that there  had been  a vote  on the                                                                   
Permanent Fund  in 1976 and  the PFD  was not in  the state's                                                                   
constitution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cook  agreed. He  highlighted that  the promise  had been                                                                   
to fund state government.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston remarked  that when  the state  had kept                                                                   
rights for  subsurface lands,  it had been  done to  prove to                                                                   
the rest  of the country  that it could  afford to  take care                                                                   
of itself.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cook  replied in  the affirmative.  He reported  that the                                                                   
same was  true for the allocation  of lands from  the federal                                                                   
government to the state.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston  highlighted   that  the  constitutional                                                                   
convention  had  occurred  before Alaska  had  been  accepted                                                                   
into statehood.  She asked  for verification  that the  State                                                                   
of Alaska  had to go to Washington  D.C. to prove  it had the                                                                   
collective wealth to become a state.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cook replied in the affirmative.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston pointed  out that  the constitution  and                                                                   
Alaska's  statehood contained  the collective  wealth  of the                                                                   
subsurface grounds.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cook agreed.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Johnston asked  for verification  that owning  of                                                                   
the  subsurface   rights  was  not  a   constitutional  given                                                                   
individual right.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:37:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BERNARD  HOTO, SELF,  FBX LIO,  spoke in support  of HB  2001                                                                   
with a  reasonable PFD for  those who desperately  needed it.                                                                   
He remarked  that  he had lived  in Fairbanks  for six  years                                                                   
and had  originally moved  to Fairbanks  in the military.  He                                                                   
was  currently   studying  political   science  at   UAF.  He                                                                   
stressed   that  proper   services   were   funded  to   keep                                                                   
individuals  safe. He felt  that the  citizens should  not be                                                                   
put in position  to decide whether  to use their PFD  to fund                                                                   
government services.  He felt that  all kinds of  people were                                                                   
looking to the legislature to solve the economic crisis.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:39:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROGER BURGGRAF, SELF,  FBX LIO, spoke in support  of HB 2001.                                                                   
He   considered   himself  a   financial   conservative   and                                                                   
understood  the need  to  live "within  our  means." He  felt                                                                   
that  the  governor's  vetoes  would  create  a  catastrophic                                                                   
effect  on the state  and its  economy. He  supported  a more                                                                   
gradual  budget  reduction  process,  to  bring  the  state's                                                                   
economy in line.  He wanted a good economic  base with people                                                                   
leading  productive lives.  He felt that  an economic  engine                                                                   
was the  University of Alaska.  He stressed that the  work of                                                                   
the university was  a vital tool to educate  its students and                                                                   
leverage  federal  funds  for Arctic  research.  He  stressed                                                                   
that cuts  should not be  made that  would put people  out of                                                                   
work.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LINDA  GREEN, SELF,  FBX LIO,  spoke in support  of HB  2001.                                                                   
She  expressed  that  she was  terrified  that  opportunities                                                                   
would  not be  available for  her children.  She shared  that                                                                   
her  husband  and members  of  his  family had  attended  the                                                                   
University. She  was concerned he  would lose his new  job at                                                                   
the University due to the cuts.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:45:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  RUSSELL  LILLY, SELF,  FBX  LIO, spoke  against  the                                                                   
governor's   vetoes.    He   agreed   with    many   business                                                                   
representatives in  the state and felt that there  would be a                                                                   
drastic  widespread loss  of jobs.  He stated  that the  U.S.                                                                   
Permafrost Association  strongly supported the  University of                                                                   
Alaska system. Alaska needed a strong Alaska workforce.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:47:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  MCDOWELL,  SELF,  FBX  LIO,  felt  that  the  original                                                                   
budget  had  too  many  reductions.  He  suggested  that  the                                                                   
budget had  been too continually  reduced in the  most recent                                                                   
five years.  He felt  that the  budget had  not kept  up with                                                                   
population  growth  and  inflation.  He shared  that  he  had                                                                   
cleaned up  contaminated sites  from resource extraction.  He                                                                   
encouraged  stronger regulation  around contamination  due to                                                                   
resource extraction. He also spoke in support of the arts.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:51:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE GINNIS,  SELF, FBX  LIO, spoke in  support of  HB 2001.                                                                   
He felt  that the  issue was  not about  politics. The  issue                                                                   
was about peoples'  lives. He felt that the  governor was not                                                                   
good   at  communicating   his   intent  regarding   Medicaid                                                                   
expansion.  He   remarked  that  many  people   needed  detox                                                                   
programs. He queried  the status of the $1  million grant. He                                                                   
remarked  that   he  would  like  better   communication.  He                                                                   
stressed that  the cutting of  health programs  impacted real                                                                   
people.  He  felt  that  the state  must  take  care  of  the                                                                   
elders,  because  of their  contributions  to  the state.  He                                                                   
remarked  that  the  budget impacted  all  races.  He  quoted                                                                   
former U.S. Senator  Ted Stevens, "To hell  with politics. Do                                                                   
the right thing."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:56:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIKA BURR, SELF,  FBX LIO, spoke in support of  HB 2001. She                                                                   
stated  that the  key  factor  in her  returning  to live  in                                                                   
Alaska  was the  opportunity to  receive  a strong  education                                                                   
and have a strong community.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:58:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BETH ZIRBES,  SELF,  FBX LIO,  spoke in support  of HB  2001.                                                                   
She  was concerned  about  the cuts  to  the University.  She                                                                   
also spoke in support of an income tax.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:59:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CONSTANTINE KHRULEV,  SELF, FBX LIO,  spoke in support  of HB
2001.  He urged  the legislature  to  restore the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes.  He  did  not believe  cuts  alone  would  achieve  a                                                                   
balanced  budget.  He supported  a  state income  tax,  sales                                                                   
tax, and  an adjustment  to the tax  credits received  by the                                                                   
oil  industry. He  believed  it was  time  to reconsider  the                                                                   
PFD.    He    considered    that     abolishing    the    PFD                                                                   
disproportionately  impacted  people  in need.  He  supported                                                                   
replacing the PFD with needs-based assistance.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:01:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEANNE MARS  ARMSTRONG,  SELF, FBX LIO,  supported the  bill.                                                                   
She believed  providing social services  supporting citizens'                                                                   
needs  was a  responsibility of  state  leaders. She  thought                                                                   
that issuing a  large PFD at the cost of wrecking  the health                                                                   
and  careers of  Alaskans was  ridiculous and  irresponsible.                                                                   
She  noted   that  the   legislature   had  worked  hard   to                                                                   
compromise  on a good  and reasonable  budget. She  asked the                                                                   
legislature  to   reign  in  the  governor  and   to  provide                                                                   
critically needed services and a reduced PFD.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:03:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARAH STANLEY,  SELF, FBX  LIO, testified  in support  of the                                                                   
legislation.  She  shared  that  she  is  a  teacher  at  the                                                                   
University.  She   spoke  about  the  common   experience  of                                                                   
testifiers  waiting to  speak in  the room.  She spoke  about                                                                   
community,  which   was  about   connection  and   time.  She                                                                   
reasoned  that time  was a  resource  as well  as money.  She                                                                   
highlighted that  people could  control their time  and where                                                                   
they spend  it. She  appreciated the  time committee  members                                                                   
were giving to testifiers.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Knopp  remarked that  he  was very  impressed                                                                   
with the public  for its participation and  attention paid to                                                                   
the process.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:08:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NATE  BAUER,  SELF, FBX  LIO,  testified  in support  of  the                                                                   
bill. He stated  that insanity was doing the  same thing over                                                                   
and over  and expecting  different results.  He thought  that                                                                   
the governor  had ignored  recent evidence  from failed  Koch                                                                   
sponsored   budget  slashing   programs.  He  discussed   the                                                                   
failure  of former Kansas  Governor Brownback's  cuts  to the                                                                   
government.  He spoke  against  the vetoes  that he  believed                                                                   
would do tremendous  damage to the state. He  did not support                                                                   
a  fat  PFD  check  at  the  expense   to  Alaska's  economy,                                                                   
education systems, and social safety net.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:11:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RACHAEL   DELACHANTE,  ALASKA   LEGAL   SERVICES,  FBX   LIO,                                                                   
testified  in  support   of  the  bill.  She   had  moved  to                                                                   
Fairbanks   several   years  back   through   an   AmeriCorps                                                                   
fellowship   focused   on   addressing   elder   abuse.   She                                                                   
highlighted services  provided by the agency.  The agency was                                                                   
currently  forced to turn  away one  person for every  person                                                                   
it could  represent. She  stressed that  cuts would  make the                                                                   
numbers worse.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:13:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROB  BORLAND, SELF,  FAIRBANKS,  ALASKA,  supported the  bill                                                                   
and did  not believe  a huge dividend  was needed.  He shared                                                                   
that he was a UAF alumni.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:14:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN HENRICHS,  SELF, FAIRBANKS, ALASKA, testified  in favor                                                                   
of the  bill. She supported  the budget originally  passed by                                                                   
the legislature.  She urged the  restoration of cuts  made by                                                                   
the  governor's  vetoes  to the  University,  education,  and                                                                   
other  areas.  She  underscored   that  a  $3,000  would  not                                                                   
compensate for  loss of services, educational  opportunities,                                                                   
and other.  She highlighted the  federal funds that  would be                                                                   
lost.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:17:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUE  SHERIF, SELF,  FBX LIO,  supported the  bill. She  asked                                                                   
the   legislature  to   restore  the   vetoed  funding.   She                                                                   
elaborated  that the  vetoed programs  including Online  With                                                                   
Libraries,  Medicaid,  the  University,  and  other  all  had                                                                   
direct  impacts  on Alaskans'  lives.  She stressed  that  no                                                                   
Alaskans  would be  untouched  by the  governor's actions.  A                                                                   
smaller  PFD, no PFD,  and a  larger PFD  with an income  tax                                                                   
were all  areas for negotiation  and compromise. She  did not                                                                   
believe  Alaska could  not  afford a  state  arts council  or                                                                   
Head Start. She listed other programs she found important.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:20:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LINDSAY LOVE,  ALASKA LEGAL SERVICES,  FBX LIO,  testified in                                                                   
support  of  the  bill.  She  shared  that  when  low  income                                                                   
Alaskans  could not access  legal services,  they faced  dire                                                                   
consequences.  She   stressed  that  Alaska   Legal  Services                                                                   
provided  representation for  individuals who  were the  most                                                                   
isolated and vulnerable  members of the community.  She urged                                                                   
the committee to  consider what it would cost  if the service                                                                   
disappeared.  She   supported  access  to   healthcare,  safe                                                                   
housing, and  education. She  emphasized that without  Alaska                                                                   
Legal  Services, countless  Alaskans would  fall through  the                                                                   
cracks.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:23:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOYCE POTTER, SELF,  FBX LIO, supported the  legislation. She                                                                   
was  horrified   by  the  governor's  cuts.  She   asked  the                                                                   
legislature  to restore  funding to the  programs. She  urged                                                                   
the legislature to  work for the common good  of all Alaskans                                                                   
to  support  health  and  safety   in  all  communities.  She                                                                   
supported  the University  and  its  work on  climate  change                                                                   
research.  She  supported  services for  homeless  and  other                                                                   
vulnerable  populations. She  thought  the governor's  budget                                                                   
would cripple  the state for years  to come. She  thought the                                                                   
budget was  not intended  to be balanced  or fair.  She asked                                                                   
the legislature to tax residents.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:26:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HAYDEN NEVILL,  SELF, FBX  LIO, spoke in  favor of  the bill.                                                                   
He asked  the legislature  to restore  the funding  cuts made                                                                   
by the governor.  He likened the  cuts to a cannon  ball into                                                                   
a swimming pool.  He stated that cuts to Medicaid  would mean                                                                   
more  people  would  use  emergency rooms  and  result  in  a                                                                   
higher  expense.  He  highlighted   the  importance  of  Head                                                                   
Start.  He supported  a graduated  income  tax and  supported                                                                   
rolling back oil  tax credits. He supported a  modest PFD. He                                                                   
did  not believe  a  windfall  PFD was  necessary  to do  its                                                                   
work. He did  not believe the  PFD and budget had  to be tied                                                                   
together as the  rhetoric had been. He asked  the legislature                                                                   
to restore the governor's cuts.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:29:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANNOH FOSS,  SELF, FBX LIO, supported  the bill. She  was in                                                                   
favor of a restoration  of the governor's cuts.  She spoke to                                                                   
her education  through the University.  She thought  that the                                                                   
cuts would result  in a loss in educational  opportunity. She                                                                   
thanked the legislature and asked it to support the bill.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:31:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PRENTZEL,  SELF, FBX  LIO,  spoke  against the  oil  tax                                                                   
structure.  He   stated  that  oil  companies   were  earning                                                                   
approximately twice  as much in Alaska as  they were anywhere                                                                   
else in  the world.  Additionally, the  state was  paying the                                                                   
industry to  do so.  The state  was on the  hook for  over $1                                                                   
billion. He  thought the current  problems were a  symptom of                                                                   
the  disease,  which   was  how  the  state   taxed  the  oil                                                                   
companies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:35:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBYN  RUSSELL, SELF,  FBX LIO,  spoke in  strong support  of                                                                   
the  bill. She  was  opposed to  the  governor's vetoes.  She                                                                   
shared  a story  illustrating  how education  could change  a                                                                   
person's  life. She stated  that education  and all  services                                                                   
the governor was vetoing were hand-ups, not handouts.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:37:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TEKA  LAMADE, SELF,  FBX  LIO, testified  in  support of  the                                                                   
bill. She worked  for Alaska Legal Services.  She shared that                                                                   
the  greatest demand  for help  was  separating from  abusive                                                                   
relationships. She  spoke to the intimidating  and terrifying                                                                   
process  for clients.  She provided  a list  of fears  facing                                                                   
clients.   The  agency   partnered   with   UAF  to   provide                                                                   
internships   for  paralegal   students.  She  listed   other                                                                   
services provided  by the agency. She shared  that if funding                                                                   
was not  restored, the  office was at  risk of losing  staff.                                                                   
She asked  the committee to  consider preserving  funding for                                                                   
the agency.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:40:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUNO GRUNAU, SELF,  FBX LIO, supported the  bill. He thanked                                                                   
the  committee for  all of  its  work. He  thought about  the                                                                   
future of  his children.  He highlighted  a recent  USA Today                                                                   
article  listing Alaska's  economy as  49th. All  of the  top                                                                   
tier  economies  were  based on  an  educated  workforce  and                                                                   
population,  whereas,  the  worst  were  resource  extraction                                                                   
states. He  did not  believe a $3,000  PFD was necessary.  He                                                                   
suggested   investing  in   education   and  technology.   He                                                                   
suggested using  the PFD for state  services or a  giving out                                                                   
a PFD and implementing an income tax.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:43:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RONALD TEEL, SELF,  FBX LIO, supported the bill.  Most of the                                                                   
cuts  had  matching  federal  funds.  He  thought  people  in                                                                   
Fairbanks would  rather have a  job instead of a  $3,000 PFD.                                                                   
He  thought  it was  the  time  to look  for  other  revenues                                                                   
including a sales  tax or income tax on salaried  workers. He                                                                   
suggested  taxing  large tourism  corporations  and  reducing                                                                   
credits to oil companies.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:47:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA  HANEY,   SELF,  NORTH  POLE  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
testified  against the  bill. She thought  the committee  was                                                                   
listening  to a  limited population.  She did  not support  a                                                                   
reduced PFD.  She stated the  private sector  was responsible                                                                   
for generating  jobs and  prosperity.  She stated that  those                                                                   
advocating  for   a  restoration  of  cuts  worked   for  the                                                                   
University. She supported the governor.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:50:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARTHA  MALLOTT, SELF  AND YAKUTAT  COMMUNITY HEALTH  CENTER,                                                                   
YAKUTAT  (via  teleconference),   spoke  in  support  of  the                                                                   
legislation.  She was  concerned about  the detrimental  cuts                                                                   
to education.  She referenced  research showing  the positive                                                                   
impacts  of Head  Start and  early  childhood education.  She                                                                   
pointed  out   that  the  cost   of  living   would  increase                                                                   
drastically with  the cuts to  PCE. She shared  that Medicaid                                                                   
was one  of the biggest  payers for healthcare  services. She                                                                   
reported that  Indian Health Service  was not  guaranteed and                                                                   
was not  an insurance. She asked  how they could  continue to                                                                   
care for community  if the programs were all  eliminated. She                                                                   
urged the legislature  to come up with a solution  to benefit                                                                   
all Alaskans.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:53:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL LYNCH,  SELF, SOLDOTNA (via teleconference),  was PFD-                                                                   
neutral. He provided  insight on past PFDs  and listed former                                                                   
amounts. He  stated that no one  had complained or  whined in                                                                   
the  past  because  everyone  had been  in  it  together.  He                                                                   
observed  that the situation  had become  divided, which  was                                                                   
not positive.  He stated  that everyone  liked certainty.  He                                                                   
pointed  out that  cuts made to  the PFD  by former  Governor                                                                   
Walker had  blindsided  citizens when  they were expecting  a                                                                   
check. He  thought the  situation had been  fouled up  by the                                                                   
legislature  in  the  two  subsequent   years.  He  suggested                                                                   
keeping the  old formula  with the  five-year average  with a                                                                   
new five-year plan:  people would receive full  PFDs for four                                                                   
years and  on the fifth year  there would be no  dividend. He                                                                   
stated  that every  fifth  year  the funds  would  all go  to                                                                   
state  government.  He detailed  that  the change  would  not                                                                   
require  a constitutional  amendment. He  requested that  the                                                                   
legislature  ask  Mr.  Teal  or  Ms.  Rodell  of  the  Alaska                                                                   
Permanent Fund Corporation (APFC) to run the numbers.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:56:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JULIE NIELSEN,  SELF, JUNEAU LIO (via teleconference),  spoke                                                                   
in support  of HB 2001.  She was a  small business  owner and                                                                   
had testified  previously. She thought the  governor's vetoes                                                                   
were  short-sighted. She  was  concerned with  the UA  credit                                                                   
rating  downgrade.  She  supported  a state  income  tax  and                                                                   
thought  there   were  several  other  options   to  pay  for                                                                   
services. People needed to work together.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:58:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASON TANDLER,  SELF, KODIAK  (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                   
favor of  the legislation. He  requested that his  PFD amount                                                                   
be applied  towards restoring  all of the governor's  vetoes.                                                                   
He believed  that if any  funds were remaining,  a reasonable                                                                   
PFD  should be  considered.  He did  not  believe $3,000  was                                                                   
reasonable,  responsible, or  sustainable.  He stressed  that                                                                   
the state's most  vulnerable residents would bear  the burden                                                                   
of the  cuts. He thought  the situation  would cost  far more                                                                   
at the  end of  the day  than would  be gained  by a  onetime                                                                   
welfare check  that was  politely named a  PFD. He  thought a                                                                   
$1,600  PFD was  a  generous gift  given  the state's  fiscal                                                                   
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MARTHA   MCKINEY,   SELF,   KODIAK    (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported  the legislation.  She asked  for restored  funding                                                                   
for K-12  education, the University,  Medicaid, and  the arts                                                                   
council.   She  believed   a   $3,000   was  outrageous   and                                                                   
irresponsible.  She encouraged  an income  tax and  increased                                                                   
alcohol tax. She asked the legislature to work together.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:01:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DON  CRANDALL,  ANCHORAGE  FAITH   AND  ACTION  CONGREGATIONS                                                                   
TOGETHER,  ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),   supported  the                                                                   
bill and  the reversal of  vetoes. He  shared that on  July 7                                                                   
the organization  had hosted a  meeting that was  attended by                                                                   
over 250  people in Anchorage  - the congregations  had heard                                                                   
how  the   vetoes  would   affect  homeless   and  the   most                                                                   
vulnerable  in Anchorage  and  across  the state.  He  shared                                                                   
that  shelter  beds  would  be  reduced,  housing  assistance                                                                   
programs would  be eliminated,  and families would  be forced                                                                   
onto the  streets. He  stated that a  budget balanced  at the                                                                   
cost of  the state's most vulnerable  and at the cost  of the                                                                   
state's economic  future was unacceptable.  The organizations                                                                   
supported  a PFD of  $979 and  believed the  bill was  a good                                                                   
starting point for negotiations.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:03:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RHONDA  PITKA, BEAVER  VILLAGE COUNCIL,  BEAVER VILLAGE  (via                                                                   
teleconference), supported  the bill. She was  encouraged the                                                                   
legislature  would  be  meeting   in  Juneau  soon.  She  had                                                                   
received calls  concerned about  the loss of  senior benefits                                                                   
and the PCE program.  She reported the cost of  energy in her                                                                   
community  without PCE.  She spoke  to the  intent of  PCE to                                                                   
give  villages  parity  with  urban areas  -  even  with  the                                                                   
program  energy was more  expensive. She  spoke against  cuts                                                                   
to the  University and the  recent Moody's rating  downgrade.                                                                   
She spoke  in support  of the VPSO  program. She  thanked the                                                                   
committee for its time.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:07:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA  SMITH  FIEGEL, SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
testified in  support of the bill  and a reduced  PFD. Shared                                                                   
that she  is a  Lutheran pastor,  homeowner, and mother.  She                                                                   
was representing  herself  and a moms'  group called  Growing                                                                   
Alaskan Leaders who  advocate for all kids in  the state. She                                                                   
opposed  the governor's  vetoes.  She urged  support of  Head                                                                   
Start, UAA,  Medicaid, youth programs,  and other.  She spoke                                                                   
about a  program aiming  to help  with childhood trauma.  She                                                                   
asked if  the state could afford  not to invest  in children.                                                                   
She  provided details  about  the children  participating  in                                                                   
the  residential treatment  home  - AK  Child  and Family  in                                                                   
Anchorage  - for youth  who experience  trauma. She  spoke to                                                                   
the successes  and benefits  of the  facility. She  asked the                                                                   
legislature to support the bill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:09:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TERRY  CHAPIN, SELF,  FBX LIO,  testified in  support of  the                                                                   
bill.  He  opposed  the  governor's   vetoes  and  urged  the                                                                   
legislature  to overturn  them. He  shared that  when he  had                                                                   
moved to  Alaska 50 years earlier,  he had been  impressed by                                                                   
the  sense of  community  and  friendship. He  recalled  that                                                                   
political  beliefs  had  not   mattered  in  the  way  people                                                                   
related  to each  other. He  understood  the legislature  had                                                                   
worked  together  to  develop  its  budget,  which  made  him                                                                   
optimistic.  He urged that  the PFD be  kept at  a reasonable                                                                   
level  and  that  other  ways to  fund  state  government  be                                                                   
looked at for the long-term.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:12:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GORDON WILLIAMS,  SELF, FBX LIO, testified in  support of the                                                                   
bill. He  shared his personal  story in Alaska. He  worked as                                                                   
faculty  for  UAF.   He  recalled  when  the   PFD  had  been                                                                   
instituted - the  Permanent Fund had not been  established to                                                                   
merely write checks  to residents. He stressed  that a $3,000                                                                   
PFD  would  not  buy good  schools  for  children,  help  the                                                                   
elderly and  disabled, pave  roads, transport goods,  protect                                                                   
natural  resources,   or  protect   and  assist   individuals                                                                   
impacted  by   domestic  violence   or  sexual   assault.  He                                                                   
questioned large  oil tax credits.  He asked  the legislature                                                                   
to tax residents.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:15:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JULIE  MAIER, SELF,  FBX  LIO, testified  in  support of  the                                                                   
bill.  She  supported the  legislature's  bipartisan  budget.                                                                   
She had  moved to Alaska 30  years earlier and  reported that                                                                   
the thing that  differentiated the state from  others is that                                                                   
the people  take care of one  another. She stressed  that the                                                                   
governor's cuts  were un-Alaskan. She stated that  the budget                                                                   
was being balanced  on the backs of the most  vulnerable. She                                                                   
spoke in  support of UAF. She  stressed its importance  as an                                                                   
economic engine for  the region. She wanted  a restoration of                                                                   
all of  the vetoes.  She supported  lowering oil tax  credits                                                                   
to companies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:18:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHOSHANA  KUN, FAIRBANKS  COUNSELING, FBX  LIO, supported  HB
2001.  She   supported  overriding  all  of   the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes.   She   thanked   Representative    Knopp   for   his                                                                   
compassion. She  thought it was  unfair for the  one-third of                                                                   
the  legislature   to  hold  the  rest  of   the  legislature                                                                   
hostage.  She thanked  all  of the  Majority  members on  the                                                                   
committee for their efforts and courage to come together.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:21:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH  KUN,  SELF, FBX  LIO,  testified  in support  of  the                                                                   
legislation.  She  asked for  support  for the  Alaska  State                                                                   
Council on  the Arts. She shared  that privileges she  had in                                                                   
grades 2  through 6 had  been cut including  band, orchestra,                                                                   
art,   and   other   extracurricular    programs.   She   was                                                                   
disappointed  in  the  governor   and  some  members  of  the                                                                   
legislature.   She   stressed    that   the   situation   was                                                                   
devastating and life changing.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:22:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARYN  JANSSEN, SELF,  FBX LIO,  recalled paying  a head  tax                                                                   
and  a  payroll  tax  which  paid  for  state  services.  She                                                                   
recalled receiving  the first  PFD which  was supposed  to be                                                                   
capped  at  $1,000. She  commented  on  the changes  made  by                                                                   
Governor  Walker.   She  encouraged   a  state   income  tax,                                                                   
additional gas tax,  and the elimination of  oil tax credits.                                                                   
She  did  not  want  to see  the  state  lose  federal  match                                                                   
funding.  She  urged  members   to  override  the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:25:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BONNIE WOLSTAD,  SELF, FBX  LIO, she  thought there  had been                                                                   
forethought  given to the  creation of  the Permanent  Fund -                                                                   
it had been  created as a savings account  with the knowledge                                                                   
that oil  revenues would  reduce over  time. She stated  that                                                                   
the  legislature created  the  dividend  and should  untangle                                                                   
the  knot  the  PFD  had  created.   She  spoke  against  the                                                                   
administration's   elimination   of   senior   benefits   and                                                                   
scholarships with  no warning. She stressed that  no one knew                                                                   
what  the  impact would  be  on  hunting resulting  from  the                                                                   
governor's  veto  of  federal  Pittman-Robertson  funds.  She                                                                   
relayed that  the original dividend  was $50 per  person. She                                                                   
implored members to come together and solve the problem.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:27:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOWARD   MAXWELL,  SELF,   FAIRBANKS  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
testified in support  of HB 2001. He appreciated  the efforts                                                                   
made by  members to come  up with a  solution. He  thought it                                                                   
was  important for  people to  take  care of  each other.  He                                                                   
thought a big  compromise was needed. He relayed  that he was                                                                   
a teacher  and questioned  his dedication  to Alaska  and his                                                                   
love for  the state.  He spoke  in support  of education.  He                                                                   
appreciated the  governor allowing the special  session to be                                                                   
held in Juneau.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:31:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARLY   SWEEN,   SELF,   FAIRBANKS    (via   teleconference),                                                                   
testified   in  support   of  HB 2001.   She  supported   the                                                                   
University,  the arts,  and a  robust  economy in  Fairbanks.                                                                   
She  had received  her master's  at UAF.  She thought  Alaska                                                                   
needed to be a  place that encouraged to live  in it. She did                                                                   
not think it would  be easy to attract quality  teachers as a                                                                   
result  of  the  governor's  vetoes.  She  supported  several                                                                   
other state services.  She thought it was  very irresponsible                                                                   
to  close homeless  shelters  in  the state.  She  encouraged                                                                   
building  resources  for the  state.  She supported  a  state                                                                   
income tax.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:34:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN GRIFFIN,  SELF, WASILLA  (via teleconference),  testified                                                                   
in  opposition to  HB  2001. He  did  not  want other  people                                                                   
deciding  where his  PFD money  was to be  spent. He  thought                                                                   
the state  had a  massive spending  problem. He encouraged  a                                                                   
strong fiscal  house. He  wanted a  sustainable budget  which                                                                   
included trimming  the fat.  He had been  eligible for  a PFD                                                                   
for  22  years  but  had  not  accepted  it  every  year.  He                                                                   
reiterated  that  additional   cuts  were  needed.  He  would                                                                   
support a $2,000 dividend.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:37:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REBECCA  BRICE   HENDERSON,  SELF,  FBX  LIO,   testified  in                                                                   
support  of  HB 2001.  She  had  lived  in Fairbanks  for  50                                                                   
years. The  University of Fairbanks  had played a  large role                                                                   
in  her  life. She  served  on  the  board of  the  Rasmussen                                                                   
Foundation.  She   agreed  with  all  who  spoke   about  the                                                                   
devastating effects  of the governor's vetoes.  She indicated                                                                   
the PFD meant  different things to different  people. For her                                                                   
it had helped with fuel bills. She thanked the committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:41:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBIN  WEINANT, SELF,  FBX LIO,  testified in  support of  HB
2001  and  restoring   the  vetoes.  She  also   supported  a                                                                   
balanced   budget.  Although   she  would   enjoy  a   $3,000                                                                   
dividend,  she  did  not  want  to  see  additional  property                                                                   
taxes. She  thought everyone  should contribute  by receiving                                                                   
a smaller  dividend. She also  thought additional  taxes were                                                                   
necessary.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:43:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  thanked  all  of the  people  that                                                                   
testified in Fairbanks. He appreciated everyone's time.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  relayed that  the  governor  had agreed  to                                                                   
holding the remainder of the session in Juneau.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:45:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEANETTE   GRASTO,  NAMI   FAIRBANKS,   FBX  LIO,   supported                                                                   
overriding  the   governor's  vetoes.  The   legislature  had                                                                   
already  passed a  budget that  had not  addressed the  total                                                                   
need, but it had  not been balanced on the backs  of the most                                                                   
vulnerable   Alaskans.  She  was   unclear  what   government                                                                   
leaders  thought   -  she  wondered  if  they   believed  not                                                                   
adequately  funding  services  for individuals  with  serious                                                                   
mental  illness   and  other  disabilities  would   make  the                                                                   
problems   go  away.   She   stressed   that  services   were                                                                   
necessary.  She  spoke  of  the inadequacy  of  many  of  the                                                                   
programs including  mental health programs. She  talked about                                                                   
mental health patients sitting in jail.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:48:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAM BRADLEY, SELF,  FBX LIO, was a resident  of Fairbanks for                                                                   
more than  46 years.  She had  gone to  UAF and received  her                                                                   
degree. She shared  that she did not earn a  high income. She                                                                   
believed the PFD  should have been slashed in  half long ago.                                                                   
She was  currently a cab  driver and  had heard all  sorts of                                                                   
things.  She  thought  the  budget   vetoes  created  serious                                                                   
problems.  She  spoke  of  additional  military  moving  into                                                                   
Fairbanks.  She talked  about  the PFD  attracting people  to                                                                   
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:51:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHARON ALDEN,  SELF, FBX LIO,  appreciated the work  that was                                                                   
done  to  send  a  balanced  budget   to  the  governor.  She                                                                   
appreciated  the bipartisan coalition  working together.  She                                                                   
mentioned  the  Moody's  downgrade  of  the  University.  She                                                                   
believed  it was  a  statement  on how  they  felt about  the                                                                   
governor's vetoes.  She noted the agricultural  programs that                                                                   
were  having  the  rug  pulled   out  from  under  them.  She                                                                   
mentioned  the  cuts to  the  Ocean  Ranger program  and  the                                                                   
Alaska Marine  Highway System.  She thought the  governor was                                                                   
cutting  the  budget  to  the   bone.  She  opposed  cuts  to                                                                   
education  and the  Adult Dental  Program  and programs  that                                                                   
served the  needy. She commended  those people who  had never                                                                   
testified before for getting out of their comfort zone.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:55:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEX  THORNTON, SELF,  FBX LIO,  testified in  support of  HB
2001  and urged  members  to do  the right  thing.  He was  a                                                                   
small  business  owner.  He  had   to  cancel  his  contracts                                                                   
because  of the  budget  cuts.  He was  a  scientist and  did                                                                   
research. He  was very concerned  with Arctic  research going                                                                   
away.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:57:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEX RAMOS, SELF,  FBX LIO, testified in support  of HB 2001.                                                                   
He  did not  support  the  governor's vetoes.  He  encouraged                                                                   
people not to give up.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:58:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN CORNING,  SELF, FBX LIO,  had been a resident  of Alaska                                                                   
for 42 years.  He thought Alaska needed to  reinstate a state                                                                   
income tax.  It was  a bad idea  to get rid  of it.  He would                                                                   
adjust  it  by  capping  it.  He  thought  it  was  time  for                                                                   
Alaskans to  pay their own  way. He  noted all of  the people                                                                   
talking  about social  programs. He  thought social  services                                                                   
had become a big  mat supporting people. He was  a student at                                                                   
UAF and  received benefits  as a  senior. He reiterated  that                                                                   
it was time for people to pay their own way.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:01:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHELLE  HARPOLE,  SELF,  FBX LIO,  opposed  the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes and supported  HB 2001. She shared that  she had lived                                                                   
in Alaska  since Alaska was a  territory. She had  worked all                                                                   
over the state.  She expressed her sadness  and concern about                                                                   
living  in Alaska  in the  way Dunleavy  envisioned. She  did                                                                   
not  think  anyone   had  talked  about  the   difficulty  in                                                                   
rebuilding  programs.  The programs  had  been built  because                                                                   
there  was a  need. She  thought  that if  the programs  were                                                                   
decimated, it  would take years  to rebuild them.  She stated                                                                   
that time  was of the essence.  She was proud  of Republicans                                                                   
and  Democrats   working  together.  She  urged   members  to                                                                   
overturn  the   vetoes.  She   approved  of  being   tax  and                                                                   
receiving a smaller PFD.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:06:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EDWARD  ALEXANDER, SELF,  FBX  LIO, spoke  in  support of  HB
2001  because  of  the  impact  to  key  programs  throughout                                                                   
Alaska. He  spoke of  the effects of  losing funding  for the                                                                   
Head  Start  program.  He  noted   the  credit  downgrade  by                                                                   
Moody's.  He reported that  70 teachers  that were  currently                                                                   
doing student  teaching would be  lost. They did  not receive                                                                   
pay; therefore  free teachers would  be lost. He  mentioned a                                                                   
number  of programs  that would  be lost.  He reiterated  his                                                                   
support  of   the  committee   substitute.  He   opposed  the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes. He  thanked the  legislature for  working                                                                   
together.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:09:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LARA LOTZE,  SELF, FBX  LIO, spoke  of having been  homeless.                                                                   
She talked about  reassessing revenue streams. She  was a UAF                                                                   
graduate  after   22  years.  She  noted   the  contributions                                                                   
professors  had  made.  She  provided  background  about  her                                                                   
family and  their various roles  in the state.  She indicated                                                                   
several  core  values   of  Alaska.  She  urged   members  to                                                                   
override  the governor's  vetoes.  She spoke  about seeing  a                                                                   
need and filling it.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:14:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MELANIE  LINDHOLM,  SELF, FBX  LIO,  was  a UAF  alumni.  She                                                                   
thought the  oil companies should  pay their fair  share. She                                                                   
provided a  personal story  about her child  who had  stage 4                                                                   
cancer and was  fighting to save her Medicaid.  She wanted to                                                                   
see  real sustainable  solutions  including additional  taxes                                                                   
and the elimination of oil tax credits.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:16:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNE  ZUGGLES, SELF,  FBX  LIO, testified  in  support of  HB
2001.  She  would   rather  see  a  smaller   PFD  than  lose                                                                   
important  programs,  the  University  system, the  arts,  or                                                                   
jobs. She asked members to uphold HB 2001.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:19:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTOPHER   ZIMMERMAN,  SELF,   FBX   LIO,  commended   the                                                                   
legislature  for  initiating  HB  2001.  He  appreciated  the                                                                   
University. He  suggested appropriating zero funding  for the                                                                   
PFD  before  negotiating.  He also  recommended  funding  the                                                                   
capital  budget  to the  degree  in  which was  necessary  to                                                                   
receive federal  funding. He asked  members to take  back the                                                                   
power  of the  purse and  back  the governor  up against  the                                                                   
wall.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:21:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
THOMAS  SUCHLAND,  SELF, FBX  LIO,  testified  in support  of                                                                   
HB 2001.  He   disagreed  with  the  governor's   vision  and                                                                   
suggested that  if he succeeded  many people would  leave the                                                                   
state. If  he did receive a $3,000,  he would use  it to move                                                                   
away from the state.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:24:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARTHA HOOD,  SELF, FBX LIO, graduated  in May from  UAS. She                                                                   
was getting  ready to  get her  master's degree. She  relayed                                                                   
that a  $3,000 would  not balance out  the several  cuts that                                                                   
Alaska faced.  She questioned  whether she  would have  a job                                                                   
after she  completed her  education. She  came from  a family                                                                   
of  educators.  She claimed  that  the  education  department                                                                   
fueled educators  in Alaska. She opposed the  governor's cuts                                                                   
and  urged   members  to   overturn  the   vetoes  and   fund                                                                   
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:27:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DARLENE   HERBERT,  SELF,   FBX  LIO,   was  a  resident   of                                                                   
Fairbanks. She relayed  a message from her  grandmother which                                                                   
was  that   starvation  was  coming.   She  thought   it  was                                                                   
beginning  at present.  She  wondered  why the  governor  was                                                                   
imposing a genocide  on Alaskans. She did not  understand why                                                                   
the  governor was  doing what  he  was doing.  She relayed  a                                                                   
story of her  sister's. She encouraged people  to work things                                                                   
out.  She  did  not think  the  governor  was  interested  in                                                                   
serving  Alaskans. She  urged members  to not  listen to  the                                                                   
governor. She believed  a sales tax was appropriate.  She had                                                                   
worked  on the Slop  for years  and saw  people taking  their                                                                   
money out of  the state. She also spoke against  giving money                                                                   
to  the oil  companies.  She  urged  members to  stop  giving                                                                   
money away to rich entities.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:32:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMIE  ROGERS, SELF,  FBX  LIO,  had been  a  miner for  many                                                                   
years.  She  told part  of  her  life story.  She  eventually                                                                   
ended up  attending school and  obtained a paralegal  degree.                                                                   
She talked  about having  never been a  burden to  the state.                                                                   
She opposed  the reverse sweep.  She wanted a $3,000  PFD and                                                                   
wanted  previous PFDs  owed  to her.  She  spoke of  previous                                                                   
legislation  to   pay  the  remainder  the  PFD   funds.  She                                                                   
supported all of the governor's cuts.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:43:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRISTAN   KELLY,  SELF,   FBX  LIO,   reported  hearing   her                                                                   
neighbors coming  together and  talking about their  love for                                                                   
Alaska.  She  fully  agreed  with  others  that  thought  the                                                                   
budget was  a bully budget that  picked on the poor.  She had                                                                   
fallen  in love  with the  state  when she  arrived. She  was                                                                   
proud  to  be  an  Alaskan.  She  had  heard  feedback  while                                                                   
traveling  about  the troubles  in  the  state. Her  son  was                                                                   
currently a student  at the University and  was threatened to                                                                   
lose  his scholarships.  Her niece  might have  to leave  the                                                                   
state because of  the reductions. She urged  members to fight                                                                   
for Alaskans.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:46:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARA  CARLSON,  SELF,  FBX  LIO,   thought  a  full  PFD  was                                                                   
completely  irresponsible.  She   talked  about  all  of  the                                                                   
special programs  that had affected her life.  She talked the                                                                   
job she  was in and how  it served other Alaskans.  She noted                                                                   
that   cuts  to   programs  would   negatively  affect   many                                                                   
programs.  She indicated  her program  was threatened  due to                                                                   
the reductions. She  thought there was a priority  issue. She                                                                   
encouraged  the  members to  support  their budget  that  was                                                                   
submitted to the governor.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:50:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSHUA  JASON  LAZARUS,  SELF,  FBX  LIO,  was  a  University                                                                   
professor  and  a resident  in  Fairbanks.  He had  seen  the                                                                   
budget  reduced over  the years  and the faculty  had  had to                                                                   
pull together. His  son's education would be  compromised. It                                                                   
was likely that  they would have to leave the  state in order                                                                   
to  provide their  son with  a proper  education. He  favored                                                                   
reducing the PFD in support of programs.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:52:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEANNA  LAZARUS, SELF,  FBX LIO,  suggested  the vetoes  were                                                                   
threatening her  children's futures.  She indicated  that the                                                                   
issue  of  the  PFD was  creating  further  division  amongst                                                                   
neighbors. She was  very concerned for her  son's future. She                                                                   
did not believe  her son's education would be up  to par. She                                                                   
also might  lose her  job with  the University.  She did  not                                                                   
believe the  loss of  future generations  was worth  a $3,000                                                                   
PFD.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:54:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TERRENCE  COLE, SELF,  FBX LIO,  testified in  support of  HB
2001. He  suggested the  governor was  perpetuating lies.  He                                                                   
indicated  that  the vetoes  were  444  lies. The  cuts  were                                                                   
ridiculous.   He  mentioned  Dermot   Cole's  articles.   The                                                                   
governor was  not upholding his  promises. He did  not recall                                                                   
the   governor   promising   to   eliminate   half   of   the                                                                   
University's  budget.  He  thanked  members  for  having  the                                                                   
hearing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:58:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ELIZABETH SEIGEL, SELF,  FBX  LIO,  testified  in support  of                                                                   
HB 2001.  She spoke  of the  lies told  by the governor.  The                                                                   
University  was operating  on a shoestring.  She knew  people                                                                   
that  were  preparing  to  leave the  state.  She  urged  the                                                                   
legislature  to stop  the governor.  She  indicated that  the                                                                   
Alaska the governor  envisioned was not the  Alaska she lived                                                                   
in.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:02:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNE BIBERMAN,  SELF, FBX LIO,  supported HB 2001.  She spoke                                                                   
in support  of the  Alaska Council on  the Arts.  She thought                                                                   
taxes should  be considered  and a  reduction to oil  company                                                                   
subsidies.  She  hoped  the bill  would  restore  funding  to                                                                   
programs and  PCE. She spoke  about the dire  implications of                                                                   
the lass  of the arts council.  She spoke of the  benefits of                                                                   
several  programs.  She  encouraged members  to  support  the                                                                   
committee substitute. She thanked members.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:06:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNA  GODDUHM, SELF,  FBX  LIO, spoke  in  opposition to  the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes and  supported  HB 2001.  She thanked  the                                                                   
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:07:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL  KILGORE,  SELF,  FBX  LIO,  supported  HB  2001.  She                                                                   
worked  for a  community  health care  center.  The board  of                                                                   
directors   supported   the    legislature   overriding   the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes. She suggested  the answer  was to  find a                                                                   
balance.  She   expressed  concerned  with  the   health  and                                                                   
wellbeing of community members. She thanked the committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:10:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIK LARGEN,  SELF, FBX  LIO, reported  having to  speak with                                                                   
students  that  played  intercollegiate  athletes  that  they                                                                   
might  not have  a  future in  Alaska. He  spoke  of all  the                                                                   
people and  communities  that would be  affected. He  thought                                                                   
the  state  would  be hurt  economically  and  socially.  The                                                                   
decisions  made  by legislators  had  a rippling  affect.  He                                                                   
hoped education  and social programs  would be a  priority to                                                                   
Alaska and  legislators. He and  his family would  be leaving                                                                   
if the vetoes were not overridden.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:13:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHARON LOCKWOOD,  SELF, FBX LIO,  testified in support  of HB
2001. She had  lived in Alaska for 35 years.  She appreciated                                                                   
the  story presented  by  the cab  driver.  She talked  about                                                                   
families  that  had  been  in  her  classroom.  She  did  not                                                                   
understand  how one  man could  such harm  to the state.  She                                                                   
commented  that the governor  called the  session in  Wasilla                                                                   
to divide  people. Alaska was  unique. She believed it  was a                                                                   
shame that the state's council of the arts closed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:17:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MOLLY  PROUE,  SELF,   FBX  LIO,  testified  in   support  of                                                                   
HB 2001.  She believed  the  governor's  vetoes would  affect                                                                   
the lives  of all  Alaskans. She  supported a reasonable  and                                                                   
reduced PFDs.  She thought the  entire society  would suffer.                                                                   
She supported a future income tax.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:18:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHANE BRODIE,  SELF, FBX LIO,  was an income student  of UAF.                                                                   
She supported  an income  tax and  encouraged a reduction  of                                                                   
the oil  company subsidies. He  believed the state  needed to                                                                   
fully fund education.  He thought more funding  for education                                                                   
was necessary. He was glad to be home in Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:21:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOMO  STEWART,   SELF,  FBX  LIO,   supported  HB   2001.  He                                                                   
supported  rolling  back  the  vetoes.  He  thought  the  PFD                                                                   
should be  based on  surplus revenues. He  provided a  bit of                                                                   
background.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:24:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL GERSTENFIELD,  SELF, FBX LIO,  spoke in support  of HB
2001.  He had  been a  resident of  Alaska for  40 years.  He                                                                   
wondered  if  Alaska would  be  better  off  with a  list  of                                                                   
several programs,  services and grants.  He  urged members to                                                                   
make  the  right  decision  for   Alaska.  He  spoke  of  the                                                                   
businesses that would  be affected. He asked  if Alaska would                                                                   
be better off.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:32:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNE BRENNER-ARMSTRONG,  SELF, FBX LIO, was a  UAF alumni and                                                                   
resident  of Fairbanks.  She  thanked  the LIO  offices.  She                                                                   
appreciated  the  legislators  that have  worked  across  the                                                                   
aisle.  She agreed  with reducing  the PFD  to a  sustainable                                                                   
level. She thought  the state needed to continue  to grow the                                                                   
fund. She  recommended a progressing  income tax and  a sales                                                                   
tax. She  suggested amending  the PFD funding  documentation.                                                                   
She  thought   the  percentage   of  votes   to  override   a                                                                   
governor's veto should be changed in the constitution.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:36:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRISTEN SCHUPP, SELF,  FBX LIO, supported HB  2001. She asked                                                                   
all  legislators   to   act  as  if   they  represented   all                                                                   
districts.  She  wanted  to  make   sure  all  Alaskans  were                                                                   
protected. She  thought the  governor's vetoes were  throwing                                                                   
Alaskans  under the  bus. She  supported agriculture,  public                                                                   
safety,  and  education.  She  did not  want  the  future  of                                                                   
Alaska's  children torn  down.  She was  proud  to know  that                                                                   
neighbors were looking out for each other.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:38:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT BURGESS,  SELF, FBX LIO,  supported HB 2001. He  was a                                                                   
life-long  Alaskan  and  was  currently  buying  a  house  in                                                                   
Fairbanks.  He   was  concerned  with  Alaska's   future.  He                                                                   
opposed  the  governor's vetoes  especially  those  affecting                                                                   
the University system.  He mentioned a number  of programs he                                                                   
supported  and reviewed  their  benefits.  He thought  people                                                                   
would   turn   to  crime   in   desperation.   He   supported                                                                   
agriculture  as well. Many  of the  programs defined  Alaska.                                                                   
He wanted to see economic stability for the state.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:44:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JESSICA   GIRARD,   FAIRBANKS   CLIMATE   ACTION   COALITION,                                                                   
FAIRBANKS (via teleconference),  thought the bill  was only a                                                                   
band-aid.  She advocated  for a progressive  income  tax. She                                                                   
encouraged members  to think  innovatively. She  believed the                                                                   
issue  of  kicking  the  can  down  the  road  needed  to  be                                                                   
properly  addressed.  The people  of  Alaska  needed a  clear                                                                   
directive from the legislature as to how people can help.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:48:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARL  MONETTI,   SELF,  NORTH   POLE  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported  HB  2001   and  urged  members  to   override  the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes.  He appreciated  the  compromised  budget                                                                   
presented  by the  house. He  recalled paying  an income  tax                                                                   
and a school tax.  He thought the PFD was a  welfare payment.                                                                   
He  disagreed  with   the  governor's  cuts.   He  asked  the                                                                   
legislature  to  also tax  the  oil companies,  implement  an                                                                   
income tax and a sales tax, and overturn the governor.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:51:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHELLE  THOMAS,  SELF,  NORTH  POLE  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
supported   HB  2001.   She   was  devastated   by   Governor                                                                   
Dunleavy's  vetoes. She  asked that  the legislature  restore                                                                   
funding  to  programs  that  were   vetoes.  She  listed  the                                                                   
programs  and  services  that were  threatened.  She  thought                                                                   
children's education  would be destroyed  without overturning                                                                   
the  vetoes. She  continued  to  advocate against  the  cuts.                                                                   
Investment  in Alaskan's  students  was  imperative in  order                                                                   
for them  to contribute to  society. She thanked  members for                                                                   
listening to her testimony.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:54:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAMS  LAMBERT,  SELF, NORTH  POLE  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
spoke  against HB  2001. He  thought  the legislature  should                                                                   
follow  statute. He  supported Governor  Dunleavy. He  argued                                                                   
that  the  statutes  had  been  broken.  He  thought  the  38                                                                   
legislators  that  went  to  Juneau   should  be  financially                                                                   
responsible   and  convicted   for  breaking   the  law.   He                                                                   
continued  to discuss his  view in  support of the  governor.                                                                   
He thought  the full PFD  should be  paid and the  38 members                                                                   
should be  tried. He would be  emailing the governor  when he                                                                   
finished his testimony.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:57:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RAE  TRAINOR-WRIGHT,  SELF, FAIRBANKS  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
supported   HB  2001   and  wanted   the  governor's   vetoes                                                                   
overturned. She was  saddened to see the Council  of the Arts                                                                   
closed. She  argued against continuing  to subsidize  the oil                                                                   
companies by paying  oil tax credits. She would  happily give                                                                   
up her PFD and  pay an income tax to guarantee  the future of                                                                   
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:00:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GALE VICK,  SELF, FAIRBANKS  (via teleconference),  supported                                                                   
HB  2001 and  the overriding  of the  governor's vetoes.  She                                                                   
was  concerned  the  state  was   Self-destructing.  She  had                                                                   
benefited  from   the  PFD  but  thought  it   was  currently                                                                   
clouding people's  judgement. She did not wasn't  to see cuts                                                                   
to essential  services. She thought  the state needed  to cap                                                                   
spending levels  and the  amount of the  PFD. She  provided a                                                                   
list of recommendations.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:04:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JESSICA  PENA,  SELF,  FBX  LIO,   testified  in  support  of                                                                   
HB 2001 and the  restoration of funds to  agencies, programs,                                                                   
and  services   that  provided   value  to  the   health  and                                                                   
wellbeing  of Alaskans. She  spoke in  support of  the Alaska                                                                   
Council  on the  Arts. She  spoke about  financial losses  to                                                                   
Alaska. She spoke  about the benefits of  creative activities                                                                   
to youths.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:07:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHELLE ETHUN,  SELF, FBX  LIO, testified  in support  of HB
2001. Shared  that she  is a business  owner and  mother. She                                                                   
understood what  Alaska National Interest  Lands Conservation                                                                   
Act  (ANILCA)   and  Alaska  Native  Claims   Settlement  Act                                                                   
(ANCSA)  were and  knew the  definition  of subsistence.  She                                                                   
believed  it  was  important  for  legislators  to  know  the                                                                   
information  as well.  She  was opposed  to  the vetoes.  She                                                                   
stressed  that   the  administration  was   pitting  Alaskans                                                                   
against each other.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:12:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIANNA WU, SELF,  FBX LIO, spoke in support of  HB 2001. She                                                                   
relayed  that she  was  a university  student.  She had  been                                                                   
planning  to  apply  to  the   Washington,  Wyoming,  Alaska,                                                                   
Montana,  and  Idaho  (WWAMI)  program  to  someday  practice                                                                   
medicine  in  Alaska.  She stressed  that  statistics  showed                                                                   
that  58  percent  of  Alaskan  women  had  endured  domestic                                                                   
violence and sexual  assault. She supported a  restoration of                                                                   
the vetoes.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:15:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK LOCKWOOD,  SELF, FBX LIO,  spoke in support of  HB 2001.                                                                   
He stated  that he  was a  geologist and  was concerned  that                                                                   
the  cuts would  affect  regulatory agencies  that  protected                                                                   
the  state's   pristine  environment.   He  noted   that  his                                                                   
daughter returned  to the state  due to the  higher education                                                                   
scholarship  and was about  to begin  a job  as a teacher  in                                                                   
Alaska.  He  believed  the  arts should  be  supported  as  a                                                                   
community. He thanked the committee for its time.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:17:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MINDY O'NEAL, SELF,  FBX LIO, testified in favor  of HB 2001.                                                                   
She  spoke to  her support  of  public radio.  She noted  the                                                                   
public's overwhelming  outcry of  the governor's  vetoes. She                                                                   
favored  restoring  the  vetoes. She  indicated  that  public                                                                   
radio  provided  many  jobs  in   the  state  and  businesses                                                                   
supported public radio  by $3 million and the  public by over                                                                   
$5 million. She  spoke to the capital budget  and its benefit                                                                   
to the economy.  She brought up oil tax credits  and felt the                                                                   
oil  companies  would take  $2  billion  from the  state  and                                                                   
wanted  a discussion.  She  felt  that promises  to  students                                                                   
were broken and worried about senior benefits and Pre-K.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:22:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  LESLIE, SELF,  FBX  LIO, favored  HB  2001. He  stated                                                                   
that he was  an Inupiat Native. He thought  that people would                                                                   
die from  the cuts and they  were evil. He  expressed concern                                                                   
about  infant mortality.  He  thought  the cuts  would  bring                                                                   
about genocide  to native villages.  He stressed  that energy                                                                   
costs would  increase, and  Alaska Natives  would die  in the                                                                   
coming  winter.  He  worried  over lack  of  access  to  Head                                                                   
Start.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:26:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRITTANY   KARNS,  SELF,   FAIRBANKS  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported HB  2001. She shared  that she was a  pharmacist at                                                                   
Fairbanks  Memorial  Hospital.  She highlighted  the  chronic                                                                   
shortage  of medical professionals  in  the state. She  spoke                                                                   
to the  importance of home  growing individuals to  return to                                                                   
Alaska  to  work in  the  medical  field. She  believed  that                                                                   
increasing  tuition and  decreasing  programs, more  students                                                                   
and youth would leave.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:30:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BECCA  BARDO,  ARCTIC  ALLIANCE FOR  PEOPLE,  FAIRBANKS  (via                                                                   
teleconference),  testified  in favor  of  HB  2001. She  had                                                                   
dedicated more  than a  decade of her  life to the  nonprofit                                                                   
sector. She  believed the  governor's actions were  terrible.                                                                   
She  opposed the  vetoes. She  stated that  Alaska had  given                                                                   
away $1.2 billion  in oil tax credits the  previous year. She                                                                   
believed the  choice between basic  services and the  PFD was                                                                   
a false  choice; both were possible  if oil tax  credits were                                                                   
repealed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:33:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRETT   FRAZER,   SELF,   ANCHORAGE   (via   teleconference),                                                                   
testified in  support of HB 2001.  He suggested  that science                                                                   
would be  lost with the recommended  cuts by the  governor to                                                                   
the University of  Alaska. He gave credit to  the faculty and                                                                   
staff  of  the  University  of   Alaska  for  all  that  they                                                                   
contributed  to Alaska.  He opposed  the  governor's cuts  to                                                                   
the University and  to the Judiciary branch.  He continued to                                                                   
provide testimony  on his support  of HB 2001. He  brought up                                                                   
the governor's  original claim  that there  would be  no cuts                                                                   
to the University.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:38:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
IRENE   HENRY,   SELF,   ALLAKAKET    (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported  HB  2001.  She  spoke in  support  of  Power  Cost                                                                   
Equalization  (PCE) and  emphasized that  rural Alaska  could                                                                   
not go  without PCE.  She asked the  legislature to  not open                                                                   
the Ambler  Road. She asked for  a full PFD. She  opposed the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes  to  the  University   and  the  education                                                                   
system.  She supported  the homeless  programs and  Medicaid.                                                                   
She listed other programs she supported.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:41:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH STRATMAN,  SELF, PETERSBURG (via  teleconference), was                                                                   
in full  support of HB 2001.  He was very concerned  with the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes and  urged  members to  overturn them.  He                                                                   
supported an  income tax and a  reduced PFD. He  talked about                                                                   
having gone to  mass with two of his family  members who were                                                                   
priests. They  prayed for  those who did  not have  the means                                                                   
for a decent life in Alaska.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:43:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN  PAPP, SELF,  FAIRBANKS  (via teleconference),  spoke  of                                                                   
the high  unemployment rates in  the state. He  thought times                                                                   
and  budgets  changed.  He  did not  think  large  PFDs  were                                                                   
unsustainable.  He supported HB  2001. He thought  the severe                                                                   
cuts would tear down the state.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:47:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PHOEBE ROHRBACHER,  SELF,  FBX LIO, testified  in support  of                                                                   
HB  2001. She  mentioned a  number of  programs and  services                                                                   
that  she  supported and  how  they  would  be cut.  She  was                                                                   
concerned  for the most  vulnerable in  the state.  She asked                                                                   
members to override the vetoes and restore funding.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:50:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GINNY  (VIRGINIA)   REDMOND,  SELF,  FBX  LIO,   opposed  the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes  and  asked  members  to  restore  funding                                                                   
including  the  sweep.  She  supported   an  income  tax  and                                                                   
reduced PFDs.  She thought the  benefits of keeping  services                                                                   
and programs  were worth the  small sacrifice of  receiving a                                                                   
smaller  PFD. She  thought  the state  would  suffer a  grave                                                                   
economic recession.  She urged  members to  put the  state on                                                                   
the road back to prosperity.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:53:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER  DELAMERE, SELF,  FBX LIO, testified  in support  of                                                                   
HB 2001,  the overturn  of the  governor's vetoes,  a reverse                                                                   
sweep, state taxation,  and a full analysis  of oil taxation.                                                                   
She  was a  research scientist  at the  University of  Alaska                                                                   
Fairbanks.  She supported  Alaska  with time  and money.  She                                                                   
spoke  of   all  that   she  received   from  the   Fairbanks                                                                   
community.  She   was  honored  to  raise  her   children  in                                                                   
Fairbanks.  She  relayed  a  list   of  things  she  did  not                                                                   
support.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:56:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIZ  LYKE, FNSB  ASSEMBLY MEMBER,  FBX  LIO, thanked  members                                                                   
for their time and for passing a bipartisan budget.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:58:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SVETA  YAMIN-PATERNAK, SELF,  FBX LIO,  testified in  support                                                                   
of HB  2001. She shared  that she and  her husband  taught at                                                                   
UAF. She  detailed that  she had  moved to Fairbanks  because                                                                   
of UAF  in the  late 1990s  to work  in her  field of  Arctic                                                                   
anthropology.  She  provided detail  about  several  research                                                                   
projects she  had worked on that  brought in over  $2 million                                                                   
in competitive  grants. She spoke  about going to  the Bering                                                                   
Straits  region  related  to food  arts.  She  stressed  that                                                                   
students were an excellent investment.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  asked for the  name of the  art installation                                                                   
at the museum in Nome that he should look for.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Yamin-Paternak  responded   it  was  called  Aging  with                                                                   
Change, Food Arts  in the Bering Strait. She  provided detail                                                                   
about the installation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:02:46 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUE  SPRINKLE, SELF,  FBX  LIO, testified  in  support of  HB
2001. She  eluded to the fact  that Alaska was  literally and                                                                   
figuratively  burning.  She opposed  the  vetoes proposed  by                                                                   
the  governor.   She  was  self-employed  and   was  directly                                                                   
impacted by the cuts.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:06:28 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LISA VILLANO,  SELF, FBX  LIO, spoke in  support of  HB 2001.                                                                   
She shared  details about her  life in Alaska. She  came from                                                                   
a long  line of educators.  She was  troubled by the  cuts to                                                                   
early  childhood programs  and K-12  education. She  detailed                                                                   
that she  worked with  preschoolers who were  developmentally                                                                   
behind  their peers.  She listed  the  benefits of  preschool                                                                   
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:09:31 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ABIGIAL NORTH,  SELF, FBX LIO,  spoke in support of  HB 2001.                                                                   
She  thanked   the  committee  for  visiting   Fairbanks  and                                                                   
hearing testimony.  She thanked  members and their  staff for                                                                   
their  efforts  of  crafting   HB  2001.  She  provided  some                                                                   
personal details  and indicated she and her  wife intended to                                                                   
stay  in  Fairbanks  permanently.   She  was  a  high  school                                                                   
teacher.  She talked  about teaching  in rural  areas in  the                                                                   
state. She  was concerned  about her  students who  had grown                                                                   
up  and   were  now   raising  families.   She  opposed   the                                                                   
governor's  cuts  and  she urged  support  of  the  committee                                                                   
substitute.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:13:50 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARY  NEBERT,  SELF, FBX  LIO,  testified  in support  of  HB
2001. She reviewed  the benefits of art and  music. She asked                                                                   
members to  restore the cuts  that resulted from  the vetoes.                                                                   
She  supported a  reduced  PFD and  would  support an  income                                                                   
tax. She urged members to stand up for Alaska.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:16:39 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN DAVID  "JD" RAGAN, SELF, FBX  LIO, was in support  of HB
2001. Shared  that he had moved  to Alaska in 1975  and was a                                                                   
member  of the  laborer's union  Local 942.  He stressed  the                                                                   
economic hit the  vetoes would be to Alaska. He  spoke to the                                                                   
loss  in   federal  matching   funds  for  construction.   He                                                                   
highlighted the cuts  to the University that  would result in                                                                   
a  hit  of  $1  billion  to  the  economy.  He  characterized                                                                   
government  money as seed  money that  multiplied itself.  He                                                                   
believed  there would  be a  recession and  that many  people                                                                   
would leave the  state. He asked for a restoration  of vetoed                                                                   
funds.  He  supported  an  income   tax.  He  understood  the                                                                   
importance  of the  PFD to  rural villages.  He wondered  why                                                                   
the state  was paying oil  companies to  take oil out  of the                                                                   
ground.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:20:10 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COLE  RICHARDS, SELF,  FBX LIO,  testified in  support of  HB
2001.  He  spoke  to  his  reasons   for  attending  UAF.  He                                                                   
stressed the importance  of the stability of  the University,                                                                   
which could  only be  maintained with  financial support.  He                                                                   
spoke  to  the  need  for the  unique  programs  at  UAF.  He                                                                   
highlighted examples where the research was used.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:22:11 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JULIA GESTRICH,  SELF, FBX  LIO, testified  in support  of HB
2001  particularly for  the  University  of Alaska  Fairbanks                                                                   
Research  Department. She  shared that  she was a  geophysics                                                                   
student at  UAF. She  was concerned about  the future  of the                                                                   
graduate  programs.  She  highlighted  the  benefits  of  the                                                                   
programs that attracted  students from around  the world. She                                                                   
explained  that  students would  often  remain  in Alaska  to                                                                   
work if they had the opportunity.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:24:40 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LIAM TONEY,  SELF, FBX LIO, testified  in support of  HB 2001                                                                   
and  the  University  of  Alaska   because  of  its  renowned                                                                   
research program.  He had  been drawn to  the state  by UAF's                                                                   
stellar reputation  as an Arctic  and earth science  research                                                                   
institution.  He shared  that graduate  students helped  with                                                                   
research  and  day  to  day operations  of  the  centers.  He                                                                   
believed a cut  of $130 million to the UA system  would cause                                                                   
irreparable   damage.  He  spoke   to  the  negative   future                                                                   
repercussions.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:27:00 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RANDY  GRIFFIN, SELF,  FBX LIO,  testified in  support of  HB
2001. He  was opposed  to the governor's  vetoes and  cuts to                                                                   
UAF. He  noted he  did not work  for UAF.  He shared  a story                                                                   
about needing  help with  creating Excel  macros for  work; a                                                                   
graduate  of the  University had  helped him.  He had  turned                                                                   
back  his PFD  in  the  last four  years  due  to the  budget                                                                   
deficit.  He had donated  $2,000 of  his PFD  in 2015  to UAF                                                                   
through the Pick.Click.Give program.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:30:17 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ANDY DURNY, SELF,  FBX LIO, testified in support  of HB 2001.                                                                   
He was  in favor of a  broad-based income tax  and overriding                                                                   
the  governor's   vetoes.  He  discussed  that   the  meeting                                                                   
represented democracy  in action. He thanked  the legislature                                                                   
for passing an  operating budget that listened  to the public                                                                   
testimony  of  the  majority of  Alaskans.  He  believed  the                                                                   
governor's   vetoes  represented   a   complete  failure   of                                                                   
democracy. He  stressed that the governor's  cuts obliterated                                                                   
the budget passed by the legislature.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:33:33 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MAEGAN DANIELLO  WELTZIN, SELF,  FBX LIO, supported  HB 2001.                                                                   
She  testified  in  support  of  overriding  the  vetoes  and                                                                   
restoration of the  funds. She stressed it  was essential for                                                                   
Alaska  to have  services for  homeless,  elders, and  future                                                                   
generations. She  would rather have the services  rather than                                                                   
the  PFD. She  shared two  personal  experiences. She  shared                                                                   
that she  is a professor  at UAF.  She emphasized  the stress                                                                   
the  cuts  were  causing  for  students  wondering  if  their                                                                   
programs would  continue and whether employment  was possible                                                                   
in the state  after earning their degrees.  She stressed that                                                                   
her  path would  not  have been  possible  without a  quality                                                                   
education system  provided by the North Star  School District                                                                   
and UAF.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:36:25 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALBERT  SONAFRANK, SELF,  FBX  LIO, spoke  in  support of  HB
2001. He  talked about the  cut to the  Pioneer Home  and how                                                                   
it affected  his grandmother.  He thanked  the committee  for                                                                   
coming  up with  a compromise  budget. He  graduated with  an                                                                   
engineering degree  from the University of Alaska.  He wanted                                                                   
the  Permanent  Fund to  support  the  people of  Alaska.  He                                                                   
supported either  reducing the  PFD or instituting  an income                                                                   
or  sales  tax.  The  state  needed   a  different  means  of                                                                   
generating revenue.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:40:07 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
THERESA  TOMCZAK, UAF ATHLETICS,  FBX  LIO, spoke in  support                                                                   
of  HB 2001.  She  reported traveling  in  the  1980s on  the                                                                   
ferry system  and talked  to some people  that were  going to                                                                   
Alaska in order  to receive a PFD. She thought  people should                                                                   
pay for  services and  did not  have an  inherent right  to a                                                                   
dividend. She thanked members for their work.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:44:14 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  MILLER, SELF,  FBX  LIO, testified  in  support of  HB
2001  and restoring  the veto  reductions.  He stressed  that                                                                   
the same debate  had been going on in February  and there was                                                                   
a royal  mess. He  loved Alaska  and residents  had moved  to                                                                   
the state  for hundreds  of different  reasons that  had been                                                                   
expressed  during the  meeting. He  stressed the  uncertainty                                                                   
the  cuts  had  caused.  He shared  that  he  ran  a  private                                                                   
business and had  already lost contracts and  seen impacts of                                                                   
the uncertainties.  He believed it  was the 12th time  he had                                                                   
communicated  his   opinions  on  the  matter.   He  believed                                                                   
Alaskans would keep  fighting the fight to  protect what they                                                                   
had spent 100 years building.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:46:51 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOE  MATTIE,  UAF ATHLETICS,  FBX  LIO,  shared that  he  had                                                                   
moved  to Alaska  in 1969  and he  and his  wife had  started                                                                   
their business in  1979. He wondered why all  of the wasteful                                                                   
spending was  not eliminated.  He shared that  their business                                                                   
was  doing well,  partially because  they did  not waste.  He                                                                   
wanted  to see  the  waste dealt  with  prior  to asking  for                                                                   
money.  He did  not  care whether  the  legislature voted  to                                                                   
override  the governor's  vetoes, whether  a state income  or                                                                   
sales  tax was implemented  -  he was staying  in Alaska.  He                                                                   
supported the governor's efforts.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:49:40 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA COSTA-MATTIE,  UAF ATHLETICS,  FBX LIO, shared  detail                                                                   
about her  life in  Alaska. She  found the compassion  people                                                                   
had  for   each  other  and   the  state  heartwarming.   She                                                                   
supported  the  governor  and  his efforts  for  Alaska.  She                                                                   
asked the  legislature  to create the  ability for  residents                                                                   
to  make a  state  donation/voluntary  contribution/self-tax.                                                                   
She shared  that 45  states already  benefitted from  a self-                                                                   
tax  from public  participation.  She stressed  that  history                                                                   
had proven  that a  state lottery  was lucrative.  She stated                                                                   
that  individuals  could choose  where  the money  went.  She                                                                   
understood that budgeting  was not easy. She  asked the state                                                                   
to operate as a business.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:55:12 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JUNE ROGERS,  SELF,  FBX LIO,  spoke in support  of HB  2001.                                                                   
She had  been involved in  community advocacy over  45 years.                                                                   
She   was  personally   passionate  to   see  diversity   and                                                                   
increased  opportunities in the  state. She  was a  mother of                                                                   
three and  had grandchildren.  She had a diverse  background.                                                                   
She  shared that  she  had been  born  in  Fairbanks and  her                                                                   
family had  a long  history in the  state. She detailed  that                                                                   
her  grandmother  was  Inupiaq,  her  grandfather  came  from                                                                   
Sweden,  and her  father was  from Ireland.  She shared  that                                                                   
her grandmother  had been  influential on  her life;  she was                                                                   
born in Golovin  and raised her family in  Haycock. She loved                                                                   
to travel,  but Fairbanks  was where she  chose to  live. All                                                                   
of her grandchildren  lived in Fairbanks. She  was frustrated                                                                   
with  the times  in Alaska.  She  hoped the  funding for  the                                                                   
Alaska State  Council on  the Arts  and other agencies  would                                                                   
be  restored. She  stated  it was  not  possible to  continue                                                                   
allowing  devastating actions  to  continue storming  through                                                                   
communities  in  order  to  maintain  an  unrealistic  dollar                                                                   
amount  for the  PFD.  She thanked  the  legislature for  its                                                                   
arduous efforts.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:00:48 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  asked about  Ms.  Rogers' comment  she  was                                                                   
related to half the state. He asked who came from Haycock.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodgers  responded that her  mother was born  in Haycock.                                                                   
Her  grandmother  had  been  born in  Golovin  and  moved  to                                                                   
Haycock when she married.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  shared that his  great grandfather  was from                                                                   
Sweden and  he was  Inupiaq through  his grandmother  who was                                                                   
born in  Haycock. His grandfather  was part Irish.  He stated                                                                   
that Haycock was now a ghost town.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodgers reminded  Co-Chair Foster she had  mentioned that                                                                   
they may be related,  while on her last visit  to Juneau. She                                                                   
recalled  that Co-Chair  Foster had  asked about  one of  her                                                                   
cousins  who  was  a  pilot.   Additionally,  her  uncle  Art                                                                   
Johnson served as  a legislator many years back  prior to his                                                                   
passing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster recalled that Art Johnson was a pilot.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rodgers  replied that he had  been a pilot for  Wings and                                                                   
had done the mail route.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:02:14 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ARTEM ZHDONOV,  SELF, FBX  LIO, supported  HB 2001.  He spoke                                                                   
against  the governor's  cuts. He  worked as  an engineer  at                                                                   
UAF. He encouraged  all legislators to work  together to find                                                                   
a compromise.  He believed the  governor had turned  his back                                                                   
on Alaskans  to support  oil tycoons  and the Koch  Brothers.                                                                   
He stated  that the  governor and  his supporters  believed a                                                                   
lack  of taxes  and a  balanced budget  created through  cuts                                                                   
would  attract  business  to   the  state.  He  relayed  that                                                                   
studies disputed  the claim. He  shared that  businesses were                                                                   
looking to expand  in areas with a strong  education base. He                                                                   
stated the  governor was  dividing Alaska.  He stressed  that                                                                   
UAF was one  of the biggest employers in Fairbanks.  He urged                                                                   
restored  funding to  the  University,  senior benefits,  the                                                                   
arts council, and the Online With Libraries program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:05:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ANN MARIE RUTKOWSKI,  SELF, FBX LIO, testified  in support of                                                                   
HB  2001.  She  supported reducing  or  eliminating  oil  tax                                                                   
credits.  She believed  it  was  atrocious to  be  supporting                                                                   
already profitable  corporations that sent much  of the money                                                                   
out of  state. She  did not  support gutting  the state.  She                                                                   
had worked  in many fields in  Alaska and had kept  the money                                                                   
in  state. She  valued the  services provided  by the  state.                                                                   
She  shared  that  she  had  attended   the  nursing  program                                                                   
graduation  in  Nome the  previous  year,  which had  been  a                                                                   
special experience.  She thanked  the committee for  its time                                                                   
and attention.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:08:05 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon  thanked  all  of  the  testifiers  for                                                                   
their  endurance.  He  indicated that  the  legislators  were                                                                   
headed to Juneau  in the morning to deal with  the situation.                                                                   
He  shared  that the  committee  had  been in  Anchorage  and                                                                   
Wasilla  and   had  heard  around   400  people   speak  from                                                                   
throughout  the state.  He  reiterated  his appreciation  for                                                                   
the testimony.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:09:05 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Knopp  was  thankful  for  hearing  from  the                                                                   
public.   He    shared   that   the   testimony    had   been                                                                   
inspirational.  His regret was  that he  would have  liked to                                                                   
have an  open dialogue  during the  meetings. He shared  that                                                                   
the House  had created  a coalition, which  he knew  had been                                                                   
the  right  thing.  He  highlighted   the  common  thread  of                                                                   
testimony  regarding  the  need for  additional  revenue.  He                                                                   
shared  that  the  governor  had stated  that  he  would  not                                                                   
consider  additional   revenues  in  the  current   year.  He                                                                   
highlighted  the   heartfelt  testimony  the   committee  had                                                                   
heard.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  asked  if  any  of  the  committee  members                                                                   
online wanted to say anything.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:12:15 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Merrick  thanked everyone for  testifying. She                                                                   
looked  forward to  seeing the  committee  members in  Juneau                                                                   
the following day.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz thanked the public for testifying.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool  thanked  everyone  for coming  out  and                                                                   
testifying. He was  proud of all of the Fairbanksans  who had                                                                   
turned out to  testify. He referenced his  earlier statements                                                                   
related to  the PFD. He  shared that  in the last  five years                                                                   
the legislature  had cut over  $1 billion from  the operating                                                                   
budget.  He detailed that  the legislature  had been  working                                                                   
on making  cuts over  time. He noted  that the previous  year                                                                   
was  the first  year  the University  had  not  been cut.  He                                                                   
pointed out  that the  budget passed  by the legislature  for                                                                   
the following  year did  cut the  University. He  highlighted                                                                   
the  passage  of SB  26  that  provided  a  new way  to  fund                                                                   
government with  Permanent Fund earnings. The  current budget                                                                   
funded  important  services.  He continued  to  explain  work                                                                   
done by the legislature.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Grier Hopkins  thanked  everyone for  turning                                                                   
out.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  reminded  the  public  they  could  provide                                                                   
written comments via email.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  2001  was  HEARD  and  HELD   in  committee  for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  thanked  everyone that  stayed.  There  was                                                                   
still  a big  crowd at  the Fairbanks  LIO.  He reported  the                                                                   
number  of  people  who  called   in.  Legislators  would  be                                                                   
returning to Juneau  the following day. He  reported that the                                                                   
governor had changed his special session call to Juneau.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:18:19 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 11:18 p.m.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 2001 Faibanks Written Testimony 1.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB 2001 Faibanks Written Testimony 2.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB 2001 Faibanks Written Testimony 3.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB 2001 Faibanks Written Testimony 4.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB 2001 Faibanks Written Testimony 6.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB 2001 Faibanks Written Testimony 5.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB 2001 Public Testimony Emails July 17 PART 1.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB 2001 Public Testimony Emails July 17 PART 2.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB 2001 Public Testimony Emails July 17 PART 3.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB2001 Pub.Test. July 17 Part 4_Senior Needs Assessment.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB 2001 Public Testimony Emails July 17 PART 5.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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HB 2001 Public Testimony Emails July 17 PART 4.pdf HFIN 7/17/2019 2:00:00 PM
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