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02/11/2014 01:30 PM FINANCE


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Heard & Held
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+ HB 241 EXTEND BOARD OF MARITAL & FAMILY THERAPY TELECONFERENCED
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 11, 2014                                                                                          
                         1:35 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:35:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze called the  House Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:35 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Alan Austerman, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Bill Stoltze, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Mark Neuman, Vice-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Mia Costello                                                                                                     
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Representative Cathy Munoz                                                                                                      
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lindsey Holmes                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Jo  Ellen  Hanrahan,   Deputy  Commissioner,  Department  of                                                                    
Commerce, Community  and Economic Development;  Don Habeger,                                                                    
Director,   Division    of   Corporations,    Business   and                                                                    
Professional  Licensing, Department  of Commerce,  Community                                                                    
and   Economic   Development;   Crystal   Koeneman,   Staff,                                                                    
Representative   Lora   Reinbold;  Kris   Curtis,   Auditor,                                                                    
Division of Legislative Audit.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Leeanne  Carrothers,  Alaska Physical  Therapy  Association,                                                                    
Anchorage.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 239    EXTEND BOARD OF EXAMINERS IN OPTOMETRY                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          HB 239 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 240    EXTEND BOARD OF CHIROPRACTIC EXAMINERS                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          HB 240 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 241    EXTEND BOARD OF MARITAL & FAMILY THERAPY                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          HB 241 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 242    EXTEND PT & OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY BOARD                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          HB 242 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:36:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze discussed the agenda for the day.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JO  ELLEN  HANRAHAN,   DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY   AND  ECONOMIC   DEVELOPMENT  (DCCED),                                                                    
provided  a  PowerPoint presentation  titled  "Corporations,                                                                    
Business  and  Professional  Licensing" dated  February  10,                                                                    
2014 (copy  on file).  The department  believed there  was a                                                                    
collective  responsibility to  balance the  encouragement of                                                                    
positive  business  with  the  requirements  of  appropriate                                                                    
accountability and protection of  consumers. She stated that                                                                    
the discussion  sometimes involved  a push and  pull between                                                                    
proposed  regulations, public  input, and  policy decisions.                                                                    
The  department looked  forward to  continuing to  work with                                                                    
the legislature  and with the special  designated committees                                                                    
that would be reviewing  professional licensing at a broader                                                                    
level.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hanrahan  communicated that DCCED  was cognizant  of the                                                                    
issues that had  arisen, which seemed to  have "festered and                                                                    
grown"  over an  eight-year  period and  the department  had                                                                    
been  working  diligently  to  correct  some  of  them.  The                                                                    
department was  engaged in significant analysis  and efforts                                                                    
to  address errors  and the  issues. She  thanked the  House                                                                    
Labor  and  Commerce  Committee  and  noted  that  they  had                                                                    
introduced  HB  187, which  may  help  address some  of  the                                                                    
issues   of  consistency   and   fees.   She  also   thanked                                                                    
Representative Mike  Hawker who was instrumental  in putting                                                                    
some funding  for third-party  receipts in  the department's                                                                    
budget that  allowed it  to collect  the receipts  for board                                                                    
members traveling to national committees.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hanrahan  stated that  DCCED and  the division  had been                                                                    
focused  on business  climate and  trying  to stabilize  the                                                                    
cost  and   establish  some   consistency  over   time.  The                                                                    
department supported HB  187 as one of the  tools that would                                                                    
help lower  and provide more  consistent fees. The  bill had                                                                    
four  groupings  that  allowed   DCCED  to  group  licensing                                                                    
professions  together  to smooth  off  some  fees. The  bill                                                                    
allowed  for  other  fund sources  to  be  appropriated  and                                                                    
included in  the fee  setting, it  allowed for  averaging of                                                                    
revenue  and  expenditures  of current  and  prior  biennial                                                                    
periods, and it allowed DCCED  to extend the recovery period                                                                    
over future licensing costs. All  of items represented tools                                                                    
that  may be  used to  help smooth  the peaks  of fees  with                                                                    
professional licensing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hanrahan discussed  that DCCED had also  been focused on                                                                    
ensuring  an accounting  foundation that  had integrity  for                                                                    
the  licensing  program.  Specifically, a  couple  of  years                                                                    
earlier  the department  located  and  corrected a  specific                                                                    
accounting error  that had occurred for  several years where                                                                    
professional   licensing  was   paying  the   administrative                                                                    
indirect  cost;  DCCED  shared   the  information  with  the                                                                    
Division   of   Legislative   Audit,  which   included   the                                                                    
correction  in  its report.  The  department  looked at  ten                                                                    
years  of  records  and  reconciled   to  the  Alaska  state                                                                    
accounting  system; its  foundation  in  the accounting  was                                                                    
currently  fairly  solid.  The  department  had  invested  a                                                                    
significant  amount of  effort into  increasing transparency                                                                    
in its reporting  to boards, which was part  of its analysis                                                                    
related  to  increasing  accounting  system  integrity.  She                                                                    
shared  that  DCCED  now   provided  quarterly  revenue  and                                                                    
expenditure  reports to  the boards;  the reports  were also                                                                    
posted  on  the  web  for licensees,  the  public,  and  any                                                                    
stakeholders.   During  the   current  year   DCCED  started                                                                    
providing  more   detailed  accounting  system   reports  in                                                                    
response to  boards' inquiries for more  detail. She thanked                                                                    
the committee for  its time and relayed  that the department                                                                    
looked forward  to working closely  with the  legislature on                                                                    
resolving the problems for the business climate in Alaska.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:42:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Costello   appreciated   the   department's                                                                    
attention to  the issue,  but noted that  the issue  had not                                                                    
gone away.  She stated that in  FY 08 and FY  09, 41 percent                                                                    
of  the boards  had  a  deficit at  the  end  of a  two-year                                                                    
period; the  figure rose to  68 percent in  FY 10 and  FY 11                                                                    
and  the  number had  since  increased  to 79  percent.  She                                                                    
referred  to drivers  of the  deficit problem  and asked  if                                                                    
investigations were the main culprit.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hanrahan replied in the  affirmative. The department had                                                                    
analyzed   the  number   of  boards   that  were   hit  with                                                                    
investigation  costs; it  had determined  that over  a five-                                                                    
year   period  almost   every  board   had  been   hit  with                                                                    
investigation  costs  at some  point.  She  shared that  the                                                                    
impact  could be  substantial, particularly  in relation  to                                                                    
smaller professions.  For example,  a small  profession that                                                                    
included 23  people and had  a budget of $100,000  could get                                                                    
saddled  with  an  investigation   that  may  cost  $100,000                                                                    
depending on the severity of  the situation. The event could                                                                    
double their fees.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DON  HABEGER, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF  CORPORATIONS, BUSINESS                                                                    
AND   PROFESSIONAL   LICENSING,  DEPARTMENT   OF   COMMERCE,                                                                    
COMMUNITY  AND   ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT,   communicated  that                                                                    
investigations   could   be   costly.  He   explained   that                                                                    
investigations  were typically  in response  to the  public,                                                                    
but  could also  be brought  forward by  a board  member. He                                                                    
detailed  that  an  investigation  usually  went  through  a                                                                    
process to  determine jurisdiction  and to  conclude whether                                                                    
it was  a violation;  investigators billed for  the process.                                                                    
An  investigator would  bring the  issue to  a single  board                                                                    
member if it  looked like the issue was  jurisdictional to a                                                                    
board or  commission. The single board  member was appointed                                                                    
and  acted  as  a  consultant   to  the  department  with  a                                                                    
responsibility  to  confirm or  deny  whether  an issue  was                                                                    
jurisdictional  and if  it should  be further  investigated.                                                                    
An   investigation  would   incur   additional  costs   with                                                                    
investigator expenses. The  investigation may require expert                                                                    
witnesses and may  involve other costs such  as working with                                                                    
the  Department of  Law (DOL)  for additional  resources. An                                                                    
investigation  could  conclude  back  to  the  board  for  a                                                                    
disciplinary action, which could be costly.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Costello  observed   that  licensees   paid                                                                    
license fee renewals  every two years. She  wondered how the                                                                    
department  made up  for  costs  incurred by  investigations                                                                    
that occurred during the middle of a licensing fee system.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:47:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Habeger  replied that the  goal was to  collect revenues                                                                    
ahead  of  anticipated  expenses  by  centralized  licensing                                                                    
statute. The  department typically  looked at the  prior two                                                                    
years expenses to establish a  licensing fee calculation. He                                                                    
explained that  the fee calculation  was not a  single point                                                                    
and   most  programs   had  multiple   fees  based   on  the                                                                    
centralized licensing statute. He  elaborated that there may                                                                    
be a renewal  fee. He used slide 3 as  an example. The slide                                                                    
showed   numerous   licensing   fees  for   the   Board   of                                                                    
Registration for Architects,  Engineers, and Land Surveyors.                                                                    
A  calculation or  analysis would  look at  each of  the fee                                                                    
levels;  the   division  typically   adjusted  based   on  a                                                                    
percentage. He explained that if  the division anticipated a                                                                    
30 percent  shortfall it may adjust  each of the fees  by 30                                                                    
percent.  A draft  analysis was  presented to  a board,  the                                                                    
board  may  not   agree,  but  in  all   cases  the  working                                                                    
relationship  was   positive.  He  had  adopted   all  board                                                                    
recommendations, which  went out  to public  comment (public                                                                    
comment  included  all  licensees  and  anyone  with  public                                                                    
interest). Subsequently  a regulation  was adopted  based on                                                                    
the public and board comments.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Costello    talked   about    the   process                                                                    
determining  whether an  investigation  would move  forward.                                                                    
She  asked   for  comment  on  who   determined  whether  an                                                                    
investigation  would occur.  She  wondered if  there was  an                                                                    
opportunity  to   discontinue  an  investigation   part  way                                                                    
through  if those  conducting  the investigation  determined                                                                    
there were  not sufficient grounds to  continue. She pointed                                                                    
to  cost savings  that could  take  place if  there was  the                                                                    
ability  to  discontinue  an investigation  if  it  did  not                                                                    
warrant continuation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:50:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Habeger answered that one  of the department's goals was                                                                    
to protect  and be  responsive to  the public.  He discussed                                                                    
that  an  investigation  would move  forward  if  complaints                                                                    
(also  referred to  as  intakes) were  valid  and under  the                                                                    
department's  jurisdiction;  even  cases  that  were  closed                                                                    
presented some costs  to a board. Once a  case moved forward                                                                    
one or two  board members were chosen to  act as consultants                                                                    
to the department. He detailed  that one or two members were                                                                    
chosen due  to ex parte communication;  ultimately the board                                                                    
would  sit in  judgment on  the license  and DCCED  had been                                                                    
told  multiple times  by DOL  that  it could  not taint  the                                                                    
board. The  consultants may tell  the division that  an item                                                                    
was something that should not go forward.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello  wondered whether the  division ever                                                                    
looked back  farther than two  years to  determine licensing                                                                    
fees.  She  surmised  that  some   professions  may  have  a                                                                    
propensity  towards investigations  over time.  She wondered                                                                    
if  the probability  an investigation  may occur  during the                                                                    
two-year period was factored into  the equation. She guessed                                                                    
that   some   licensing   boards   did  not   need   to   do                                                                    
investigations.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Habeger  replied  that currently  the  division  had  a                                                                    
policy  and procedures  on fee  review that  was adopted  in                                                                    
1997.  The  fee analysis  policy  defined  how the  division                                                                    
determined fees;  a look back  over multiple cycles  was not                                                                    
part of the  policy. He recognized that  the policies needed                                                                    
updating. The  division had spent several  years cleaning up                                                                    
a number  of processes;  updating policies  was next  on his                                                                    
list. He  noted that the  proposed legislation HB  187 would                                                                    
allow updating through statute.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:54:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Hanrahan  summarized   that  the   department  did   a                                                                    
statistical  analysis based  on  revenues and  expenditures;                                                                    
however, board  concerns, input from the  public, and policy                                                                    
concerns  were   all  part  of  the   discussion  about  fee                                                                    
calculations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Austerman recalled  that three  years earlier  the                                                                    
legislature  had appropriated  $3 million  to balance  board                                                                    
deficits.  He asked  which year  the appropriation  had been                                                                    
made.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Hanrahan believed  the appropriation  had been  made in                                                                    
the  FY  12  supplemental  budget. She  clarified  that  the                                                                    
motivation  for the  appropriation  had  been an  accounting                                                                    
error.  She explained  that the  business licensing  program                                                                    
had  been   paying  the  professional  licensing   share  of                                                                    
indirect  costs   for  several   years.  The   $3.4  million                                                                    
appropriation had  resulted in  some boards having  a better                                                                    
balance;  however, the  reasoning  behind the  appropriation                                                                    
was to correct the error.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Austerman  asked   for   verification  that   the                                                                    
appropriation had  not corrected any of  the board deficits.                                                                    
Ms. Hanrahan answered  that the $3.4 million  had provided a                                                                    
positive influx of funds for  the boards, which had impacted                                                                    
their balances.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Austerman referred  to a  recent report  showing a                                                                    
current $3.7 million deficit in  the boards. He asked if the                                                                    
figure was  accurate. Ms.  Hanrahan replied  that in  a two-                                                                    
year revenue and expenditure  comparison the overall deficit                                                                    
was $3.7  million. She  added that  some boards  had entered                                                                    
the  biennium   with  a  positive  balance.   When  existing                                                                    
balances prior to the biennium  period were factored in, the                                                                    
overall balance  at the  end of  FY 13  was a  positive $2.6                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:58:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman  looked at  a historical  summary showing                                                                    
that  only 8  of the  38  boards had  positive balances.  He                                                                    
observed that the  report showed the total  deficit was $3.7                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Hanrahan   referred  to   the  document   and  directed                                                                    
attention  to the  column on  the  right showing  the FY  13                                                                    
ending carry-forward balance. She  clarified that the column                                                                    
showed the  surplus and deficit  for the  end of FY  13. The                                                                    
column labeled  FY 12 and FY  13 only pertained to  what had                                                                    
occurred in a two-year period without a starting balance.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Austerman asked  for verification  that 17  of the                                                                    
boards were  in deficit. Ms.  Hanrahan responded that  16 or                                                                    
17 boards were in deficit.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman  asked if DCCED was  hamstrung by statute                                                                    
in relation to  how it ran the boards.  Ms. Hanrahan replied                                                                    
that the  department was supporting  HB 187 partly  for that                                                                    
reason;  the   bill  would  provide  DCCED   with  increased                                                                    
flexibility  in relation  to how  fees  were collected.  The                                                                    
current statute was fairly narrow  and pertained only to the                                                                    
absolute revenue and expenditures  of a biennium period. The                                                                    
proposed legislation  would allow the department  to average                                                                    
expenditures   and   revenues    over   time   (an   average                                                                    
expenditures and revenues from  prior biennium periods). The                                                                    
bill would  provide increased statutory flexibility  for the                                                                    
department  to  manage  the professional  licensing  program                                                                    
with the goal of  encouraging a productive business climate,                                                                    
while continuing to protect consumers.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:00:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Austerman asked  if  DCCED  had considered  moving                                                                    
investigations  over to  DOL  and setting  board  fees at  a                                                                    
constant basis across boards. Ms.  Hanrahan replied that she                                                                    
had  not been  privy  to  a conversation  on  the idea.  She                                                                    
relayed  that HB  187 would  pay  for investigator  salaries                                                                    
with  approximately  $1.7  million in  General  Funds  (GF);                                                                    
therefore,  the  professional  licensing  boards  would  not                                                                    
carry the costs.  Boards would continue to  carry some costs                                                                    
associated  with investigation  including  costs for  expert                                                                    
witnesses and legal costs from DOL.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Thompson remarked  that investigations tended                                                                    
to be  held to protect  the public; typically  pertaining to                                                                    
an  unqualified   or  unlicensed  person  practicing   in  a                                                                    
profession.  He  stressed  that trained  professionals  were                                                                    
punished when they  were forced to pay  for an investigation                                                                    
to  protect  the  public  from  an  unqualified  person.  He                                                                    
wondered  why the  professionals  following  the rules  were                                                                    
punished and why those not  following the law were not dealt                                                                    
with through DOL or other.  He asked if fishing license fees                                                                    
and  Board of  Fish fees  were increased  when a  person was                                                                    
caught commercial  fishing illegally  or if  the cost  of an                                                                    
investigation  was charged  to  other oil  companies when  a                                                                    
company was  caught drilling illegally.  He believed  it was                                                                    
the  state's responsibility  to protect  the public  and not                                                                    
the    responsibility   of    the   professional    licensed                                                                    
individuals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hanrahan  understood the point.  She could not  speak to                                                                    
how investigations were paid for in other agencies.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  noted  that  the  questions  [related  to                                                                    
fishing and oil] were rhetorical.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Hanrahan  pointed  back  Co-Chair  Austerman's  earlier                                                                    
question related to constraints  of the current statute. She                                                                    
stated  that   under  HB  187  investigations   would  be  a                                                                    
responsibility and cost of the state.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thompson  stated  that  most  of  the  board                                                                    
renewals had fiscal notes attached  that showed funding with                                                                    
receipt authority. He  wondered why the costs  were shown on                                                                    
the fiscal  notes if the state  was not paying for  them. He                                                                    
believed there should  be a separate pot  of money belonging                                                                    
to the licensees. He pointed  to past situations when people                                                                    
had  been  told   they  could  not  travel   to  a  national                                                                    
conference  because  the  board's  travel  budget  had  been                                                                    
exceeded; the  licensees had collected more  than the needed                                                                    
amount, but did not get  to attend their conference. Another                                                                    
example   involved  a   national  association   offering  to                                                                    
reimburse the state for an  individual's travel expenses. He                                                                    
detailed  that instead  of  putting the  money  back in  the                                                                    
licensees' budget,  the funds were deposited  into the state                                                                    
GF.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:05:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Hanrahan replied  that the  fiscal notes  accounted for                                                                    
separate  funds  in  the   state  accounting  and  budgeting                                                                    
systems.  Receipt supported  services meant  that money  was                                                                    
collected  outside of  state funds.  She explained  that the                                                                    
funds were accounted  for in the state  accounting system by                                                                    
restricted  revenue  codes   associated  with  the  specific                                                                    
entities. The  information went through the  state budgeting                                                                    
system in order to track the cost of doing business.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Habeger  spoke  to  Representative  Thompson's  comment                                                                    
related  to   third-party  reimbursement  from   a  national                                                                    
association. The  department followed  the procedure  in the                                                                    
state's  Administrative Manual.  Travel was  required to  be                                                                    
expensed through  state costs if  board members  traveled in                                                                    
an official capacity representing  the state. The prior year                                                                    
the  legislature had  put  into the  budget  the ability  to                                                                    
withdraw the  deposit from  the GF and  back onto  a board's                                                                    
books. The process began occurring in FY 14.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  asked whether  a different  triage process                                                                    
would occur related to investigations  if they were moved to                                                                    
DOL.  He  wondered   whether  a  switch  to   DOL  would  be                                                                    
worthwhile and  if DCCED expected  DOL or another  entity to                                                                    
make a better decision.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:08:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Habeger was unsure how to answer the question.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze asked  the department  to think  about the                                                                    
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg provided  a hypothetical  example                                                                    
related  to   a  public  complaint;  an   investigation  was                                                                    
conducted and  brought to  the board.  He asked  whether the                                                                    
board   was   responsible   for    funding   part   of   the                                                                    
investigation. Mr.  Habeger replied  in the  affirmative. He                                                                    
cited the  centralized licensing  statute AS  08.01.065. The                                                                    
statute required  boards to  pay for  all of  their expenses                                                                    
including investigations.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  asked whether the board  may have                                                                    
a financial  conflict on the  decision to move  forward with                                                                    
an  investigation.  Mr.  Habeger  had  heard  board  members                                                                    
comment  on  a  conflict;  however,  he  had  not  seen  the                                                                    
evidence.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  referred to the prosecution  of a                                                                    
person for not having a  license, which had clearly not been                                                                    
a   board  responsibility;   however,   the   onus  of   the                                                                    
investigation had been put on  the board. He wondered if the                                                                    
situation was ongoing.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Habeger replied  that unlicensed  practice was  a board                                                                    
concern. He  detailed that MDs  had practice  protection. He                                                                    
stated   that  unlicensed   practice   was   looked  at   by                                                                    
investigators   (particularly   if    there   was   practice                                                                    
protection).  He   elaborated  that   centralized  licensing                                                                    
statute  provided  the  department  with  the  authority  to                                                                    
investigate. Boards may  request investigations; DCCED tried                                                                    
to  make  an  investigation  as much  of  a  partnership  as                                                                    
possible.  However, occasionally  the department  would look                                                                    
into issues on its own accord.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  stated   that  the  department's                                                                    
instigated  investigations were  charged to  the appropriate                                                                    
board.  He   asked  what  percentage   of  the   boards  and                                                                    
commissions  were   in  deficit  because   of  investigation                                                                    
through prosecution charges.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:12:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Habegar did not have the information on hand.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hanrahan  replied that currently  investigations brought                                                                    
on by  the board  or department put  the onus  on licensees.                                                                    
She stated that  the issue was one reason  DCCED was looking                                                                    
at HB 187.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  asked  what  percentage  of  the                                                                    
boards   and  commissions   were  in   deficit  because   of                                                                    
investigation  through  prosecution  charges.  Ms.  Hanrahan                                                                    
replied  that  the  department  could  follow  up  with  the                                                                    
information.  The  department  had  looked at  the  cost  of                                                                    
investigations over  a five-year period for  all boards. She                                                                    
stated that  many things  had impacted  the boards  over the                                                                    
past five  to ten  years. She communicated  that one  of the                                                                    
drivers of  all state expense related  to personal services,                                                                    
particularly in  the past five or  six years. Investigations                                                                    
and legal costs fell into the personal services category.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  was interested to know  about the                                                                    
percentage of deficit due to investigations.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  remarked  that the  fiscal  notes  should                                                                    
reflect the costs. Ms. Hanrahan agreed.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Munoz asked how many  of the fees would apply                                                                    
to  an engineer  establishing  a  Limited Liability  Company                                                                    
(LLC). Mr. Habegar if the  question pertained to one or many                                                                    
engineers needing initial licensure.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:15:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Munoz wondered  how many  of the  fees would                                                                    
apply  to  a  licensed  engineer establishing  an  LLC.  Mr.                                                                    
Habegar  pointed to  slide 3,  line 5.  He believed  the one                                                                    
$500 fee would apply.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Munoz   asked  for  verification   that  the                                                                    
engineer  in  her example  would  not  need  to pay  for  an                                                                    
application  or review  fee. Mr.  Habeger  replied that  the                                                                    
other fees would not be applicable.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Munoz   asked  for  confirmation   that  the                                                                    
applicable  cost was  a biennial  fee of  $500. Mr.  Habeger                                                                    
replied  in  the  affirmative.  Representative  Munoz  asked                                                                    
about the  cost of a  business license. Mr.  Habeger replied                                                                    
that the cost was a statutory annual $50 fee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Munoz asked if  the department had considered                                                                    
combining  the   general  business  license  fee   with  the                                                                    
biennial  certification  cost.  She believed  it  should  be                                                                    
possible to pay  for a business license when  paying for the                                                                    
other costs.  Mr. Habeger  answered that  the issue  had not                                                                    
been  tackled  yet. He  believed  the  issue was  worthy  of                                                                    
examination in the future.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze provided an example  related to an engineer                                                                    
fraudulently approving  septic system projects.  He wondered                                                                    
if  the department  would  assess  a criminal  investigation                                                                    
related  to the  fraud.  Mr. Habeger  replied that  criminal                                                                    
matters  did   not  fall  under   the  DCCED   purview.  The                                                                    
department   was  only   concerned  with   the  professional                                                                    
licensing aspect.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  pointed  to  a  valid  investigation                                                                    
pertaining to  an unlicensed  individual. She  assumed there                                                                    
would be a fine and  wondered if the individual was required                                                                    
to pay fees  back to the organizations.  Mr. Habeger replied                                                                    
in the  affirmative. He elaborated  that the  division would                                                                    
levy   fines   for    certain   activity.   The   division's                                                                    
disciplinary  document sent  to  a board  was often  adopted                                                                    
with the fines. The fines were deposited into GF.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:18:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson asked why the  fines would not be paid                                                                    
back to  a board to  offset all  costs charged to  the board                                                                    
for an  investigation. Ms. Hanrahan answered  that in Alaska                                                                    
fines went  into the GF  and were collected for  the general                                                                    
use of  the population, which  was in line with  the state's                                                                    
constitutional prohibition against dedicated funds.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson agreed  with  earlier testimony  that                                                                    
people doing  the "right thing  are paying for  people doing                                                                    
the wrong  thing." She asked  for verification  that statute                                                                    
change was  needed to ensure  the boards received  the money                                                                    
back for costs spent on investigations.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Hanrahan answered  that a  change in  statute would  be                                                                    
necessary to allow fines to be returned to a board.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  wondered if  cost associated  with an                                                                    
investigation (not  including fines) could be  refunded to a                                                                    
board  without a  change in  statute. Ms.  Hanrahan did  not                                                                    
believe so.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  asked  if  the  professionals  could                                                                    
chose  to not  have a  board because  it was  not worth  the                                                                    
money. Ms.  Hanrahan replied that the  division regulated 39                                                                    
professions  and 20  of the  total had  a board.  The boards                                                                    
were  established  in statute.  She  added  that 19  of  the                                                                    
professional   licensing  programs   were  managed   by  the                                                                    
division.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson surmised  that a  statute change  was                                                                    
needed to  ensure that boards  did not  have to pay  and for                                                                    
boards to have their money recouped.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Hanrahan   replied  that  the  programs   were  treated                                                                    
similarly whether  they were a  board or other  program. She                                                                    
relayed that all of the programs shared the cost.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze thanked the department for its time.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 239                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act extending the termination date of the Board of                                                                     
     Examiners in Optometry; and providing for an effective                                                                     
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:24:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRYSTAL  KOENEMAN,  STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE  LORA  REINBOLD,                                                                    
addressed the  legislation, which would extend  the Board of                                                                    
Examiners in  Optometry. The  Division of  Legislative Audit                                                                    
recommended  a full  eight-year  extension, which  reflected                                                                    
the  division's  belief  that  the  board  was  serving  the                                                                    
public's  interest by  effectively licensing  and regulating                                                                    
the profession.  The division recommended that  the Division                                                                    
of Corporations, Business  and Professional Licensing (CBPL)                                                                    
continue  its  efforts  to improve  the  investigative  case                                                                    
management  system's  integrity   and  confidentiality.  She                                                                    
understood that the department and  division had taken great                                                                    
strides on the  issue and would continue the  efforts in the                                                                    
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  asked for comments on  the board's current                                                                    
significant deficit. Ms. Koeneman  believed there were steps                                                                    
the  department and  the division  could take  to reevaluate                                                                    
how licensing fees were set.  She knew improvements had been                                                                    
made in  the past couple  of years, but the  issue continued                                                                    
to need addressing to ensure  that programs brought in money                                                                    
that would enable them to operate.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze remarked that the shortfall was $44,755.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KRIS  CURTIS,   AUDITOR,  DIVISION  OF   LEGISLATIVE  AUDIT,                                                                    
relayed that  the agency  had conducted  a sunset  review of                                                                    
the board dated June 30,  2013. The audit's purpose had been                                                                    
to  determine whether  the board  was  serving the  public's                                                                    
interest and  whether it should  be extended. The  audit had                                                                    
concluded that  the board was serving  the public's interest                                                                    
by  effectively licensing  and regulating  optometrists. The                                                                    
board  was scheduled  to  terminate on  June  30, 2014;  the                                                                    
division recommended extending the  termination date to June                                                                    
30, 2022. The  one recommendation had been  directed to CBPL                                                                    
and  addressed improvements  needed in  the division's  case                                                                    
management system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Costello  wondered   if  the   Division  of                                                                    
Legislative  Audit had  considered recommending  that boards                                                                    
share staff or locate other efficiencies.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Curtis  replied  that   the  division  would  recommend                                                                    
efficiencies if  it believed there  was a need.  She pointed                                                                    
to page  13 of the  audit report that addressed  board fees.                                                                    
She  explained  that  the  board had  been  operating  in  a                                                                    
surplus;  however,   a  sharp   decrease  in   revenues  had                                                                    
eliminated  the  surplus  in  FY   10.  Fees  had  not  been                                                                    
increased at  the time,  but she  believed they  should have                                                                    
been  increased.   The  fees  had  been   increased  in  the                                                                    
following  licensing  cycle.  She  expounded  that  when  an                                                                    
increase in fees  was implemented and a  licensing cycle was                                                                    
not  complete   the  division  did  not   typically  make  a                                                                    
recommendation  to change  fees until  it observed  what the                                                                    
true amount was.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze believed the  opticians' board had voted to                                                                    
disband  and to  be managed  by the  department. He  told an                                                                    
optician joke.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:29:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Koeneman relayed  that the  opticians'  board had  been                                                                    
repealed in 2008.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  intended to discuss  the fiscal note  at a                                                                    
later time.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  239  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 240                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act extending the termination date of the Board of                                                                     
     Chiropractic Examiners; and providing for an effective                                                                     
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:30:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRYSTAL  KOENEMAN,  STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE  LORA  REINBOLD,                                                                    
communicated  that   HB  240  would  extend   the  Board  of                                                                    
Chiropractic  Examiners. The  Division of  Legislative Audit                                                                    
had  recommended a  full eight-year  extension  to June  30,                                                                    
2022.  The  division  had  determined  that  the  board  was                                                                    
operating  in  the best  public  interest  in licensing  and                                                                    
regulating the community.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KRIS CURTIS,  AUDITOR, DIVISION  OF LEGISLATIVE  AUDIT noted                                                                    
that the  division had  conducted an audit  of the  board to                                                                    
determine  whether  the  board   was  serving  the  public's                                                                    
interest  and   whether  the  termination  date   should  be                                                                    
extended.  The division  had determined  that the  board was                                                                    
serving the  public's interest by effectively  licensing and                                                                    
regulating chiropractors.  The audit had concluded  that the                                                                    
board monitored  licensees and  ensured that  only qualified                                                                    
individuals   practice.  The   number   of  applicants   had                                                                    
increased  by 28  percent  from  FY 06  through  FY 12.  The                                                                    
division recommended  the maximum eight-year  extension from                                                                    
June 30, 2014 to June 30, 2022.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Curtis  spoke  to the  division's  two  recommendations                                                                    
pertaining  to  the  board.  The  first  recommendation  was                                                                    
directed  to  the  Division of  Corporations,  Business  and                                                                    
Professional Licensing and  addressed improvements needed in                                                                    
the  division's case  management  system. The  second was  a                                                                    
recommendation  to  the Office  of  the  Governor to  ensure                                                                    
statutory requirements  for board members were  met prior to                                                                    
appointment. The  division had found that  the public member                                                                    
on the board  was a licensed pharmacist who  therefore had a                                                                    
direct financial interest in  the healthcare industry, which                                                                    
was prohibited  by statute. She relayed  that the department                                                                    
[DCCED] and the board concurred with the recommendations.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  asked  whether  the  department  had  any                                                                    
comments. He observed that the board had a surplus.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB  240  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 241                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act extending the termination date of the Board of                                                                     
     Marital and Family Therapy; and providing for an                                                                           
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:33:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRYSTAL  KOENEMAN,   STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE   LORA  REINBOLD                                                                    
detailed that HB  241 would extend the Board  of Marital and                                                                    
Family Therapy  for four years  to June 30, 2018.  There had                                                                    
been three recommendations from  the Division of Legislative                                                                    
Audit regarding  the board. The division  believed the board                                                                    
was licensing  and regulating the  community of  marital and                                                                    
family therapists.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KRIS CURTIS, AUDITOR, DIVISION  OF LEGISLATIVE AUDIT relayed                                                                    
that the  division had  conducted an audit  of the  board to                                                                    
determine  whether  the  board   was  serving  the  public's                                                                    
interest  and   whether  the  termination  date   should  be                                                                    
extended.  The division  had determined  that the  board was                                                                    
serving the  public's interest by effectively  licensing and                                                                    
regulating  marital  and  family  therapists.  The  division                                                                    
recommended  a four-year  extension  from June  30, 2014  to                                                                    
June 30,  2018. The reduced  extension was primarily  due to                                                                    
the board not fully  addressing a prior audit recommendation                                                                    
regarding  adopting  regulations  that  benefit  the  public                                                                    
interest  specifically  related   to  distance  therapy  and                                                                    
supervision.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Curtis  discussed that marital and  family services were                                                                    
not widely available to many  areas of the state; therefore,                                                                    
distance therapy  and supervision was  regarded as a  way to                                                                    
help address  the need.  During the  audit period  the board                                                                    
had   extensively  researched   and  discussed   the  topic;                                                                    
however, it had  made little progress in  moving forward out                                                                    
of  the discussion  phase. The  audit  recommended that  the                                                                    
board develop  a strategy to  address the need  for distance                                                                    
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Curtis communicated  that the  audit also  included two                                                                    
additional  recommendations.  The first  recommendation  was                                                                    
directed  to  the  Division of  Corporations,  Business  and                                                                    
Professional Licensing and  addressed improvements needed in                                                                    
the  division's   case  management  system.   Secondly,  the                                                                    
division  recommended that  the Office  of the  Governor and                                                                    
the  board work  together to  fill vacant  board seats  in a                                                                    
timely manner.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:35:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  asked why  the board  was responsible                                                                    
for providing the distance counseling.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Curtis  replied that the  finding pertained  to criteria                                                                    
used to evaluate whether the  board was serving the public's                                                                    
interest.  She explained  that marital  and family  services                                                                    
were not  widely available in  many of the  non-urban areas;                                                                    
however, the need  existed. The issue came to  light when in                                                                    
a  review of  board minutes  the division  had observed  the                                                                    
significant  amount  of time  the  board  had spent  on  the                                                                    
issue.  The division  had made  the  observation during  the                                                                    
prior sunset review;  however, the board had  been unable to                                                                    
move beyond the discussion phase.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze   asked  about  the  role   of  a  marital                                                                    
therapist.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:36:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Koeneman referred  to AS  08.63.900, which  defined the                                                                    
practice  of marital  and family  therapy as  "the diagnosis                                                                    
and  treatment of  mental and  emotional disorders  that are                                                                    
referenced  in  the  standard  diagnostic  nomenclature  for                                                                    
marital  and family  therapy  whether cognitive,  effective,                                                                    
behavioral,  or within  the context  of human  relationships                                                                    
particularly marital and family  systems." She remarked that                                                                    
marital  and family  therapy was  for treating,  coping, and                                                                    
helping  couples. She  relayed  that the  board was  working                                                                    
with DOL and  the Division of Legislative  Audit on drafting                                                                    
regulations  to  address  the  need  for  distance  therapy;                                                                    
however,  it  was determined  that  a  statutory change  was                                                                    
necessary  in  order to  make  the  changes. The  board  was                                                                    
working on language, which would  continue over the upcoming                                                                    
interim.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  remarked  that people  choose  where                                                                    
they  live and  know what  services are  available in  their                                                                    
communities. She believed saying  that a certain service was                                                                    
not provided throughout the state  was overstepping what was                                                                    
known  about an  area. She  remarked that  the areas  may be                                                                    
serviced by another  option. She opined that  if a community                                                                    
could afford to support the  business it would be available.                                                                    
She believed  the public need  could be there even  if every                                                                    
area of the  state did not have access. She  would follow up                                                                    
to increase her understanding of the issue.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg wondered  whether four  years was                                                                    
too  long  to  wait  before a  recommendation  was  made  on                                                                    
distance services.  Ms. Curtis  answered that  the four-year                                                                    
time frame  had been settled  upon because it put  the board                                                                    
on  the same  sunset  schedule  as professional  counselors,                                                                    
psychologists,  and social  work  examiners; therefore,  the                                                                    
division would have  the ability to review  the issue across                                                                    
similar boards.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara wondered why  boards were being punished                                                                    
for not having a statute  that the legislature would need to                                                                    
pass. He  believed it was odd.  He stated the fact  that the                                                                    
legislature had not passed a  statute was beyond the control                                                                    
of  the   therapists.  He   believed  a   full  [eight-year]                                                                    
extension was in order.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:40:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Curtis paused  at the  term punished.  She communicated                                                                    
that  the  recommendation  was  directed  at  improving  the                                                                    
board's  operations. She  detailed that  individuals working                                                                    
to  become  therapists were  required  a  certain amount  of                                                                    
supervision; they were currently  unable to work towards the                                                                    
supervised  time  requirement  through teletherapy  or  long                                                                    
distance.   Making  changes   to  distance   services  would                                                                    
increase  the  number  of licensees,  which  would  in  turn                                                                    
address  the   distance  therapy   needs.  In   general  the                                                                    
recommendation  would  enable  the division  to  review  the                                                                    
board's   progress.  She   referred  to   members'  comments                                                                    
questioning whether  or not distance therapy  or supervision                                                                    
qualified as a public need.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara agreed  that the  services were  a good                                                                    
idea. He  asked whether a  statute change would  be required                                                                    
to  make  changes  related  to  the  distance  services.  He                                                                    
contended  that  if a  statutory  change  was required,  the                                                                    
board's extension was  being cut in half  because of statute                                                                    
the legislature  had not passed.  He believed the  issue was                                                                    
incongruous.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Curtis answered that the  recommendation was for a four-                                                                    
year  period because  the  board  did not  move  out of  the                                                                    
discussion phase related to  distance services. The movement                                                                    
to adopt  regulation was new  in response to  the division's                                                                    
audit.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB  241  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 242                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act extending the termination date of the State                                                                        
     Physical Therapy and Occupational Therapy Board; and                                                                       
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:43:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRYSTAL  KOENEMAN,   STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE   LORA  REINBOLD                                                                    
explained that HB  242 would extend the  termination date of                                                                    
the State  Physical Therapy  and Occupational  Therapy Board                                                                    
for a  full eight-year  extension until  June 30,  2022. The                                                                    
Division of Legislative Audit had  determined that the board                                                                    
was operating in the best public interest.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KRIS   CURTIS,  AUDITOR,   DIVISION  OF   LEGISLATIVE  AUDIT                                                                    
informed the  committee that the  division had  conducted an                                                                    
audit dated June  17, 2013. The division  had concluded that                                                                    
the board  was operating  in the  public's interest  and had                                                                    
recommended  the  maximum   eight-year  extension.  The  one                                                                    
recommendation   was    directed   to   the    Division   of                                                                    
Corporations,  Business   and  Professional   Licensing  and                                                                    
addressed  improvements   needed  in  the   division's  case                                                                    
management system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LEEANNE  CARROTHERS,  ALASKA PHYSICAL  THERAPY  ASSOCIATION,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),  told a  physical  therapy                                                                    
joke.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 242 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                              
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze discussed that the bills would be heard                                                                        
again at a later date.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:46:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 2:46 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB239 Supporting Documents-Legislative Audit Recommendations.pdf HFIN 2/11/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 239
HB239 Sponsor Statement.docx HFIN 2/11/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 239
HB240 Sponsor Statement.docx HFIN 2/11/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 240
HB240 Supporting Documents-Legislative Audit Recommendations.pdf HFIN 2/11/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 240
HB241 Sponsor Statement.docx HFIN 2/11/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 241
HB241 Supporting Documents-Legislative Audit Recommendations.pdf HFIN 2/11/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 241
HB242 Supporting Documents-Legislative Audit Recommendations.pdf HFIN 2/11/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 242
HB242 Sponsor Statement.docx HFIN 2/11/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 242
DCCED CBPL Board Expenditures 2-11-14.pdf HFIN 2/11/2014 1:30:00 PM
HB 239
HB 239 HB 240 HB 241 HB 242
HB 240
HB 241
HB 242