Legislature(2013 - 2014)HOUSE FINANCE 519

03/22/2013 01:30 PM FINANCE


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+ HB 113 ALASKA FIRE STANDARDS COUNCIL TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 84 MILITARY TRAINING CREDIT/TEMP. LICENSE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 84(FIN) Out of Committee
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      March 22, 2013                                                                                            
                         1:35 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:35:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman called the House Finance Committee                                                                           
meeting to order at 1:35 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Alan Austerman, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Mia Costello                                                                                                     
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Representative Lindsey Holmes                                                                                                   
Representative Cathy Munoz                                                                                                      
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Stoltze, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Mark Neuman, Vice-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Michael Paschall, Staff, Representative Eric Feige; Daniel                                                                      
George, Staff, Representative Bill Stoltze; Representative                                                                      
Dan Saddler, Sponsor.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Jeff Tucker, Alaska Fire Chiefs Association, North Pole;                                                                        
Edward   Athey,   President,   Alaska   State   Firefighters                                                                    
Association, Seward.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 84     MILITARY TRAINING CREDIT/TEMP. LICENSE                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 84(FIN) was REPORTED out of committee with a                                                                     
          "do pass" recommendation and with one new zero                                                                        
          fiscal  note  from  the  Department  of  Commerce,                                                                    
          Community  and  Economic   Development  and  three                                                                    
          previously  published   zero  fiscal   notes:  FN1                                                                    
          (EED), FN2 (LWF), and FN3 (UA).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 113    ALASKA FIRE STANDARDS COUNCIL                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          HB 113  was REPORTED out  of committee with  a "do                                                                    
          pass" recommendation and with  one new zero fiscal                                                                    
          note  from the  House  Finance  Committee for  the                                                                    
          Department of Public Safety.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 113                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the membership of the Alaska Fire                                                                      
     Standards Council."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:36:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   PASCHALL,   STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE   ERIC   FEIGE,                                                                    
communicated that  HB 113 had  been requested by  the Alaska                                                                    
Fire  Standards   Council.  He  disclosed  that   he  is  an                                                                    
assistant fire  chief in Alaska.  The bill would  adjust the                                                                    
membership of  the council and  would change  the membership                                                                    
appointment qualifications.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Paschall detailed  that the  council  currently had  11                                                                    
members including two chief  administrative officers or fire                                                                    
chiefs from  local government, four representatives  of fire                                                                    
fighters (including one from the  Alaska State Fire Fighters                                                                    
Association (ASFA)),  two volunteer fire fighters  (one from                                                                    
a community of  2,500 or less and one from  a community with                                                                    
a population greater than 2,500),  two members of the public                                                                    
(one  from a  community  of 2,500  or less  and  one from  a                                                                    
community  with a  population greater  than 2,500),  and the                                                                    
state fire marshal  or designee. The bill  would require one                                                                    
of the  four fire fighters  to be a representative  from the                                                                    
Alaska  Professional  Firefighters Association  (APFA);  the                                                                    
association  represented   approximately  500   career  fire                                                                    
fighters. The bill  would also add an  additional member who                                                                    
would represent  the Alaska Fire Chiefs  Association (AFCA);                                                                    
AFCA  represented  fire  chiefs throughout  the  state.  The                                                                    
legislation   specified   that   the   organizations   would                                                                    
recommend  three   individuals  to  the  governor   and  the                                                                    
governor   would  appoint   a  member   from  each   of  the                                                                    
organizations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:39:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Paschall explained  that the purpose of  the process was                                                                    
to allow the statewide organizations  to have a voice on the                                                                    
council.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello MOVED HB 113 before the committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holmes  pointed to  Section  2  of the  bill                                                                    
related  to how  the  members were  elected.  She asked  how                                                                    
members were currently selected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Paschall   deferred  the  question  to   the  executive                                                                    
director of council.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman noted the public  testimony would be held                                                                    
shortly.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holmes  referenced Section  2 related  to the                                                                    
governor appointment  of a  member from a  list of  at least                                                                    
three  nominees.  She noted  that  some  of the  subsections                                                                    
referred  to  [fire]  associations  and some  did  not.  She                                                                    
looked  at  the  subsections   related  to  public  members,                                                                    
volunteer firefighters from communities,  and the state fire                                                                    
marshal; she wondered where the  list of nominees would come                                                                    
from for appointment.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Paschall   replied  that   the  current   members  were                                                                    
appointed through public notice. He  relayed that all of the                                                                    
members  would submit  their names  in a  formal application                                                                    
and would  then be  selected through the  governor's vetting                                                                    
process. He  furthered that the  AFCA, ASFA, and  APFA would                                                                    
submit  a list  to the  governor  for the  appointment of  a                                                                    
representative from the three organizations.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:43:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Holmes  asked if  it  was  standard for  the                                                                    
governor to have the ability to  reject a list and request a                                                                    
new one.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Paschall  answered that  he  could  not speak  for  all                                                                    
organizations, but  he had seen  the language used  in other                                                                    
board  nomination processes.  He stated  that the  provision                                                                    
gave  the  governor  the  power   to  refuse  the  suggested                                                                    
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara  wondered   about   support  for   the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Paschall  replied  that the  packet  should  contain  a                                                                    
letter of  support from AFCA.  There were  testifiers online                                                                    
to speak in support of the  legislation. He was not aware of                                                                    
opposition  to  the  bill  from  any  of  the  fire  fighter                                                                    
organizations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  TUCKER, ALASKA  FIRE  CHIEFS  ASSOCIATION, NORTH  POLE                                                                    
(via teleconference),  spoke in support of  the legislation.                                                                    
He explained that  the bill would give AFCA,  ASFA, and APFA                                                                    
a seat at the table and a greater voice on the council.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:46:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  about Mr.  Tucker's affiliation.                                                                    
Mr. Tucker  replied that he  represented AFCA.  He clarified                                                                    
that Edward Athey was also online and represented the ASFA.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara asked to hear from ASFA.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EDWARD   ATHEY,   PRESIDENT,   ALASKA   STATE   FIREFIGHTERS                                                                    
ASSOCIATION,  SEWARD  (via   teleconference),  testified  in                                                                    
favor of the  legislation. He stated that the  council had a                                                                    
tall order to fill  and ASFA would be happy to  be a part of                                                                    
the process.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara   asked  if  ASFA  was   the  statewide                                                                    
organization  representing fire  fighter  unions. Mr.  Athey                                                                    
replied in  the negative.  He relayed that  ASFA represented                                                                    
the volunteer component of fire fighters statewide.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara requested  to hear  from the  paid fire                                                                    
fighters  organization.  Mr.  Paschall  responded  that  Tom                                                                    
Wescott had testified in support  for the legislation to the                                                                    
previous  committee.  Representative   Gara  asked  who  Mr.                                                                    
Wescott worked  for. Mr. Paschall  replied that  Mr. Wescott                                                                    
worked for  APFA, the organization representing  the unions.                                                                    
Representative  Gara  requested  a  copy  of  Mr.  Wescott's                                                                    
testimony. Mr. Paschall replied in the affirmative.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:50:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon surmised  that  the consensus  behind                                                                    
the bill  was to make the  council more diverse and  to make                                                                    
it  more  oriented  towards   volunteer  fire  fighters.  He                                                                    
referred  to testimony  that the  bill would  take away  the                                                                    
requirement  of two  fire chiefs  tied to  local government.                                                                    
Mr. Paschall answered that he  had raised the issue with the                                                                    
council. He pointed to Chief Tucker  as an example; he was a                                                                    
fire chief of a  non-profit organization under contract with                                                                    
the Fairbanks  North Star Borough to  provide fire services.                                                                    
The bill  would remove  the question of  whether or  not Mr.                                                                    
Tucker was the fire chief of a municipal fire department.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman directed attention to the fiscal note.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello pointed  to  the  zero fiscal  note                                                                    
from Department of Public Safety.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello  MOVED  to  REPORT HB  113  out  of                                                                    
committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal  note. There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  113 was  REPORTED  out  of committee  with  a "do  pass"                                                                    
recommendation and  with one new  zero fiscal note  from the                                                                    
House  Finance  Committee  for   the  Department  of  Public                                                                    
Safety.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:52:55 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:55:12 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 84                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating   to  applying  military  education,                                                                    
     training, and service  credit to occupational licensing                                                                    
     and  certain  postsecondary  education  and  employment                                                                    
     training  requirements;   providing  for   a  temporary                                                                    
     occupational  license  for qualified  military  service                                                                    
     members; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:55:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL   GEORGE,   STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE   BILL   STOLTZE,                                                                    
explained  the changes  in the  CS for  HB 84.  The language                                                                    
"during regularly scheduled meetings  that are" was inserted                                                                    
on page  5, lines 28 through  31 of the legislation.  The CS                                                                    
also changed the effective date on page 5, line 31 to 2014.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Costello  MOVED   to  ADOPT   the  proposed                                                                    
committee  substitute  for  HB 84,  Work  Draft  28-LS0357\U                                                                    
(Mischel, 3/21/13).                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAN  SADDLER, SPONSOR,  pointed to  a concern                                                                    
that had been  raised in the previous  meeting. He clarified                                                                    
that  the bill  would not  give military  servicepersons the                                                                    
right  to  a  temporary  license unless  the  training  they                                                                    
received leading  to a degree,  diploma, or  certificate met                                                                    
the standards  for an equivalent  license or  certificate of                                                                    
technical training. He referred  to testimony from the prior                                                                    
meeting that the  issue was not a problem.  He detailed that                                                                    
the Alaska  Nurses Association  had testified  that military                                                                    
nurses  were licensed  Registered  Nurses. Military  trained                                                                    
Licensed  Practical Nurses  (LPN)  qualified for  equivalent                                                                    
temporary   civilian  LPN   licenses  and   military  medics                                                                    
received  certification  as  Emergency  Medical  Technicians                                                                    
(EMT).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:58:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello asked for  clarification that the CS                                                                    
would  allow for  a zero  fiscal note  because it  moved the                                                                    
effective  date  to  a  future  date  when  all  boards  and                                                                    
commissions  that  were required  to  have  two meetings  to                                                                    
write  regulations would  happen  on  a regularly  scheduled                                                                    
timeframe  as  opposed  to a  quicker  timeframe  under  the                                                                    
original bill.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Saddler replied in  the affirmative. He added                                                                    
that  language on  page 5  of the  legislation directed  the                                                                    
Department of  Commerce, Community and  Economic Development                                                                    
to do what  it could to write regulations when  it could (or                                                                    
to lay the groundwork).                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  for the  difference between  the                                                                    
two  classifications   of  nurses.   Representative  Saddler                                                                    
replied  that   RNs  were  highly   trained  and   that  LPN                                                                    
requirements were slightly less stringent.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara  asked   if   the  certificates   were                                                                    
completed  in four  years and  two  years for  RNs and  LPNs                                                                    
respectively.  Representative Saddler  was unsure  about the                                                                    
time required for certification.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello  discussed  the  four  zero  fiscal                                                                    
notes  from  the  Departments  of  Department  of  Commerce,                                                                    
Community and Economic  Development, Department of Education                                                                    
and  Early Development,  Department of  Labor and  Workforce                                                                    
Development, and the University of Alaska.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman  WITHDREW his  OBJECTION to  the adoption                                                                    
of the CS. There being  NO OBJECTION, Work Draft 28-LS0357\U                                                                    
was ADOPTED.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello MOVED to  REPORT CSHB 84(FIN) out of                                                                    
committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal notes. There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 84(FIN) was REPORTED out  of committee with a "do pass"                                                                    
recommendation and  with one new  zero fiscal note  from the                                                                    
Department of  Commerce, Community and  Economic Development                                                                    
and  three  previously  published  zero  fiscal  notes:  FN1                                                                    
(EED), FN2 (LWF), and FN3 (UA).                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Austerman discussed the  schedule for the following                                                                    
week.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  clarified that  HB 74  (the companion                                                                    
bill  to  SB   23)  had  been  changed   to  address  Alaska                                                                    
Industrial   Development  and   Export  Authority,   (AIDEA)                                                                    
powers; whereas SB 23 continued  to address a liquid natural                                                                    
gas trucking project.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:02:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 2:02 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 113 Standards Certification Levels.pdf HFIN 3/22/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 113
HB 113 Sponsor Statement.pdf HFIN 3/22/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 113
HB 113 Alaska Fire Standards Council Information.pdf HFIN 3/22/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 113
HB 113 AFSC Roster.pdf HFIN 3/22/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 113
HB 84 CS WORKDRAFT U.pdf HFIN 3/22/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 84
HB 84 DCCED Response to Questions.pdf HFIN 3/22/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 84
HB 84(FIN)-NEW FN-DCCED-CBPL-03-22-13.pdf HFIN 3/22/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 84
HB 113 New HFIN Fiscal Note.pdf HFIN 3/22/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 113
HB 113 Memo response to Rep Gara Question.pdf HFIN 3/22/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 113
HB 113 Support for HB 304 27th Legislature.pdf HFIN 3/22/2013 1:30:00 PM
HB 113
HB 304