Legislature(2013 - 2014)HOUSE FINANCE 519

02/25/2013 06:30 PM FINANCE


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06:34:08 PM Start
06:34:23 PM HB24
08:02:53 PM Adjourn
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 25, 2013                                                                                          
                         6:34 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:34:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 6:34 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Alan Austerman, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Bill Stoltze, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Mark Neuman, Vice-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Mia Costello                                                                                                     
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Lindsey Holmes                                                                                                   
Representative Cathy Munoz                                                                                                      
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Scott Kawasaki, Alternate                                                                                        
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
John Sonin, Self, Juneau                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mike  Coons,   Self,  Palmer;  Don  Quarberg,   Self,  Delta                                                                    
Junction;  Marton Wubbold,  Self, Fairbanks;  Mike Milligan,                                                                    
Self,  Kodiak; Howard  Houglum, Self,  Anchor Point;  Jeremy                                                                    
Hurd,  Self,  Ketchikan;   Laurel  Bennett,  Self,  Wasilla;                                                                    
Barbara  Carter, Self,  Wasilla;  Amy  Thomas, Self,  MatSu;                                                                    
John Thomas, Self, MatSu                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB  24    SELF DEFENSE                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          HB 24 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 24                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to self-defense in any place where a                                                                      
     person has a right to be."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:34:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Neuman explained  that HB 24 was  not intended to                                                                    
change  any  laws. The  intent  of  the legislation  was  to                                                                    
outline individuals'  rights in  statutes. He felt  that the                                                                    
legislature  should   not  be  dissuaded  by   the  fear  of                                                                    
criminals taking  advantage of laws that  may be interpreted                                                                    
as an  allowance of violence.  He stressed that HB  24 would                                                                    
protect  a  citizen's  right to  a  legitimate  self-defense                                                                    
outside  of  their home.  He  felt  that  HB 24  would  save                                                                    
citizens and the  State the burden of legal  fees related to                                                                    
self-defense cases.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:38:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE COONS, SELF, PALMER  (via teleconference), testified in                                                                    
support of HB 24. He  felt that the conservative legislators                                                                    
were supporting the views of the  voters. He felt that HB 24                                                                    
supported the constitution and the  rights to own and defend                                                                    
one's self with whatever firearm  one chooses to use in that                                                                    
defense.  He   reiterated  that   self-defense  up   to  and                                                                    
including deadly  force was  a god  and nature  given right,                                                                    
anywhere  and  anytime. He  felt  that  HB 24  mirrored  the                                                                    
Concealed Carry Handgun and Firearms  Law (CCW). He remarked                                                                    
that if  legislators vote against  the bill, they  would not                                                                    
be reelected.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:40:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DON  QUARBERG, SELF,  DELTA  JUNCTION (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified in  support of  HB 24.  He felt  that the  CCW had                                                                    
paved the way for important  firearms legislation, and HB 24                                                                    
would complement the  CCW. He stated that  the public should                                                                    
be able to protect themselves,  and that HB 24 would provide                                                                    
additional   level  of   concern   and  protection   against                                                                    
perpetrators.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARTON WUBBOLD, SELF,  FAIRBANKS (via teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in support of HB 24.  He agreed with the previous testimony,                                                                    
and  felt  that  the  legislation would  allow  Alaskans  to                                                                    
defend themselves. He wondered if he  had the right to be in                                                                    
a parking lot of a  large store, because families would have                                                                    
a difficult  time retreating  safely in  a dark  lit parking                                                                    
lot.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Neuman  replied  that   if  the  store  had  not                                                                    
prohibited the  person from being  in the parking  lot, that                                                                    
person had a right to be there.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wubbold stated  that some  businesses  post signs  that                                                                    
state, "No  Firearms." He wondered  if a person had  a right                                                                    
to defend  themselves in the  parking lot, if that  sign was                                                                    
posted. Vice-Chair Neuman did not  know what would happen in                                                                    
that circumstance.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze encouraged  Mr. Wubbold  to contact  Vice-                                                                    
Chair Neuman's office with his questions.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wubbold restated that he was in support of HB 24.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:47:27 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:00:16 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MIKE MILLIGAN, SELF,  KODIAK (via teleconference), testified                                                                    
in opposition  to HB 24.  He felt  that people did  not need                                                                    
any  more encouragement  to  use guns.  He  stated that  the                                                                    
second  amendment conferred  the  right for  self-protection                                                                    
and  gun ownership;  but the  second amendment  specifically                                                                    
points to a well-regulated  militia. He felt that background                                                                    
checks and  permitting were necessary for  gun ownership. He                                                                    
reiterated  that it  was not  important  for individuals  to                                                                    
always  carry   a  gun.  He   restated  that   training  and                                                                    
permitting   were  more   valuable   than  encouraging   gun                                                                    
ownership. He  remarked that there  was an increase  in gang                                                                    
shootings  in Anchorage  after individuals  were allowed  to                                                                    
carry a concealed weapon without a permit.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  remarked  that   the  CCW  was  important                                                                    
legislation. He felt that the  concealed weapons laws merely                                                                    
acknowledged an inherent right.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:04:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOWARD  HOUGLUM, SELF,  ANCHOR  POINT (via  teleconference),                                                                    
spoke in support of HB 24.  He felt that every Alaskan had a                                                                    
right to self-defense, no matter  where they may be located.                                                                    
He thanked the committee for considering the bill.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:05:48 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:17:22 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JEREMY HURD, SELF, KETCHIKAN  (via teleconference), spoke in                                                                    
opposition  to  HB 24.  He  felt  that  the bill  would  ask                                                                    
individuals, who  had never carried a  weapon previously, to                                                                    
suddenly start to carry weapons.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:18:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LAUREL   BENNETT,   SELF,  WASILLA   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
testified in support of HB 24.  She felt that the bill would                                                                    
not  force an  individual's  right to  carry  a weapon,  but                                                                    
rather allow an individual to defend him/herself.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:20:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA  CARTER, SELF,  WASILLA (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in favor  HB 24. She  thanked the committee for  hearing her                                                                    
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:21:20 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:32:16 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  stated that the  committee would  wait for                                                                    
additional testifiers.  He appreciated  the patience  of the                                                                    
committee and the public.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:33:11 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:44:35 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
AMY THOMAS,  SELF, MATSU (via teleconference),  testified in                                                                    
support of  HB 24. She  encouraged the committee to  vote in                                                                    
favor of the bill. She felt  that individuals had a right to                                                                    
defend themselves wherever they had a right to be.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:46:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  THOMAS, SELF,  MATSU  (via  teleconference), spoke  in                                                                    
support of  HB 24. He felt  that the bill was  well written,                                                                    
and he was encouraged by  the legislation. He commented that                                                                    
the bill respected the residents of Alaska.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:48:12 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:52:10 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SONIN,  SELF, JUNEAU, felt  that the bill went  back to                                                                    
the days  of the "Wild  West." He  expressed a desire  for a                                                                    
civil society  based on laws,  and would like to  see "sane"                                                                    
policy. He  felt that carrying  a gun and  the use of  a gun                                                                    
was  impulsive. He  stated that  children  should be  raised                                                                    
with a  sense of law and  peace, without the need  to defend                                                                    
in  an  impulsive  situation.  He   expressed  that  it  was                                                                    
important  to not  be defensive  at all  times. He  stressed                                                                    
that carrying weapons  was not necessary to  the human race.                                                                    
He pointed out that he had not read the bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:57:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  wondered if  Mr.  Sonin  was against  the                                                                    
bill. Mr. Sonin replied that he had not read the bill.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:58:32 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:01:49 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HB  24  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
8:02:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 8:02 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB24 DOL letter.pdf HFIN 2/25/2013 6:30:00 PM
HB 24
HB24 Gara Handout.pdf HFIN 2/25/2013 6:30:00 PM
HB 24
HB 24 Letters Opposition.pdf HFIN 2/25/2013 6:30:00 PM
HB 24