Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

05/09/2007 08:30 AM FINANCE


Download Mp3. <- Right click and save file as

* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ SB 85 EXTEND STATE MEDICAL BOARD TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ SB 105 REIMBURSEMENT FOR MUNICIPAL HARBOR DEBT TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ HB 22 EXTEND BOARD OF GOVERNORS ABA TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 177 NATURAL GAS PIPELINE PROJECT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
                   HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                         May 9, 2007                                                                                            
                          8:48 A.M.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  called the House Finance Committee  meeting to                                                                  
order at 8:48:40 AM.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bill Stoltze, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Harry Crawford                                                                                                   
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
Representative Mary Nelson                                                                                                      
Representative Bill Thomas Jr.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
James  Armstrong,  Staff, Representative  Bill  Stoltze;  John                                                                  
Weise,  Staff,  Senator  Lyman  Hoffman;   Richard  Benavides,                                                                  
Staff, Senator  Bettye Davis;  Rick Urion, Director,  Division                                                                  
of   Occupational   Licensing;   Pat   Davidson,   Legislative                                                                  
Auditor,  Legislative  Audit  Division,   Legislative  Affairs                                                                  
Agency                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
John   Tiemessen,    President,   Alaska   Bar    Association,                                                                  
Anchorage8;  Chris  Hladdick, City  Manager,  Unalaska;  Steve                                                                  
VanGoor,  Bar  Counsel,  Alaska  Bar  Association,  Anchorage;                                                                  
Matt Claman,  Alaska Bar Association,  Anchorage; Wayne  Ross,                                                                  
Alaska   Bar   Association,   Anchorage;   Michael   Scheider,                                                                  
Attorney, Anchorage                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 22     An Act extending the termination date for the                                                                         
          Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar Association;                                                                     
          and providing for an effective date.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          HB 22 was HEARD & HELD in Committee for further                                                                       
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 177    "An Act  relating to the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act;                                                               
          providing  inducements  for  the construction  of  a                                                                  
          natural  gas pipeline  and shippers  that commit  to                                                                  
          use that  pipeline; establishing the  Alaska Gasline                                                                  
          Inducement  Act  reimbursement  fund; providing  for                                                                  
          an  Alaska   Gasline  Inducement  Act   coordinator;                                                                  
          making  conforming amendments; and providing  for an                                                                  
          effective date."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          HB 177 was HEARD & HELD in Committee for further                                                                      
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 85     An Act extending the termination date for the                                                                         
          State   Medical   Board;   and  providing   for   an                                                                  
          effective date.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          SB 85 was reported out of Committee with a "do                                                                        
          pass"  recommendation  and  with fiscal  note #2  by                                                                  
          the    Department    of   Community    &    Economic                                                                  
          Development.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SB 105    An Act  relating to reimbursement to  municipalities                                                                  
          by  the  Department  of  Transportation  and  Public                                                                  
          Facilities    for    debt    incurred    by    those                                                                  
          municipalities  for  certain capital  projects;  and                                                                  
          providing for an effective date.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          CSSB  105 (TRA) was  reported out of Committee  with                                                                  
          a  "do pass"  recommendation and  with zero  note #1                                                                  
          by   the   Department   of  Community   &   Economic                                                                  
          Development  and zero note  #2 by the Department  of                                                                  
          Transportation & Public Facilities.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 177                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to the  Alaska Gasline Inducement  Act;                                                                  
     providing  inducements for the construction  of a natural                                                                  
     gas  pipeline  and  shippers  that  commit  to  use  that                                                                  
     pipeline;  establishing  the  Alaska  Gasline  Inducement                                                                  
     Act reimbursement  fund; providing for an  Alaska Gasline                                                                  
     Inducement    Act    coordinator;    making    conforming                                                                  
      amendments; and providing for an effective date."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  explained that the Governor  had provided a                                                                  
new committee  substitute  for HB  77, drafted  to the  Senate                                                                  
version  of   the  bill.     Legislative  Legal  Services   is                                                                  
currently drafting  a committee substitute incorporating  that                                                                  
language  and   should  arrive   by  the  afternoon   meeting.                                                                  
Amendments can be drafted to that version.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HB  177   was   HEARD  &   HELD  in   Committee  for   further                                                                  
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:52:19 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATE BILL NO. 105                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     An  Act relating  to reimbursement  to municipalities  by                                                                  
     the Department  of Transportation  and Public  Facilities                                                                  
     for  debt incurred  by those  municipalities for  certain                                                                  
     capital projects; and providing for an effective date.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  WEISE, STAFF,  SENATOR  LYMAN  HOFFMAN,  noted that  the                                                                  
Legislature  passed HB 528 in  2002 as debt reimbursement  for                                                                  
certain capital  projects.  Included  in the list  of projects                                                                  
was a small  boat harbor in  Unalaska approved for  $5 million                                                                  
dollars   debt  reimbursement   through   the  Department   of                                                                  
Transportation  & Public Facilities.  It has been  delayed due                                                                  
to the exhaustive  permitting requirements, a  process started                                                                  
in 1996 and completed in 2006.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The Corps  of Engineers  Civil Branch  is responsible  for the                                                                  
construction  and maintenance  of  the outer  breakwaters  for                                                                  
the project  and the City is  responsible for construction  of                                                                  
the inner  harbor improvements,  providing  utilities for  the                                                                  
project.  The Corps  undertook and completed an  Environmental                                                                  
Impact  Statement (EIS)  in 2004  but the  Record of  Decision                                                                  
was  not  signed   until  six  months  ago  due   to  staffing                                                                  
retirements  in Washington  D.C.   The  total permitting  cost                                                                  
was over $3 million dollars.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The City of  Unalaska is prepared  to move forward as  soon as                                                                  
the  Corps  of   Engineers  receives  funding,   however,  the                                                                  
deadline  for the debt  reimbursement  is June  30, 2007.   SB                                                                  
105  allows  the City  to  complete  the design,  prepare  bid                                                                  
documents  and  obligate  the  funds  in time  to  finish  the                                                                  
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:56:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  asked about the fencing around  the project                                                                  
was because  it was close to the  airport.  Mr. Weise  did not                                                                  
think the airport was nearby.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:57:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS   HLADDICK,   (TESTIFIED   VIA   TELECONFERENCE),   CITY                                                                  
MANAGER, UNALASKA,  spoke in support  of the bill,  commenting                                                                  
that the  process has been  long and drawn  out.  The  City of                                                                  
Unalaska is waiting for a federal appropriation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  asked about the fencing around  the harbor.                                                                  
Mr. Hladdick  explained  that the  harbor it  is not near  the                                                                  
airport but rather closer to the bridge.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly  asked if  the  delay could  affect  the                                                                  
funding.  Mr. Weise  acknowledged the funding  was capped; all                                                                  
other  small   boat  harbors   from  the  original   bill  are                                                                  
complete.   The  only one  not yet  complete  is in  Anchorage                                                                  
because they did not want to bond.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PUBLIC TESTIMONY CLOSED                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:01:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Foster MOVED to REPORT CS SB 105  (TRA) out of                                                                  
Committee  with   individual  recommendations   and  with  the                                                                  
accompanying  zero notes.   There being  NO OBJECTION,  it was                                                                  
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSSB  105 (TRA)  was  reported  out of  Committee  with a  "do                                                                  
pass" recommendation  and with zero note #1 by  the Department                                                                  
of Community  & Economic Development  and zero note #2  by the                                                                  
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:02:24 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATE BILL NO. 85                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An Act extending the termination date for the State                                                                        
     Medical Board; and providing for an effective date.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD  BENAVIDES, STAFF,  SENATOR BETTYE  DAVIS, noted  that                                                                  
SB  85 extends  the sunset  date of  the  State Medical  Board                                                                  
until June 30,  2013, in accordance with recommendations  from                                                                  
the Legislative  Auditor,  who concluded  the Board meets  the                                                                  
statutory requirements  of public need and it  should continue                                                                  
to regulate the occupations under its purview.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Benavides  commented  that  the Board  consists  of  five                                                                  
licensed  physicians,  one licensed  physician  assistant  and                                                                  
two  people  with   no  direct  financial  interests   in  the                                                                  
healthcare  industry.   The board serves  the public  interest                                                                  
by  establishing the  minimum  education  and work  experience                                                                  
requirements  that  an  individual   must  meet  to  become  a                                                                  
licensed  physician,  osteopath,  podiatrist,  paramedic,  and                                                                  
physician  assistant.   The board  further  serves the  public                                                                  
interest   by  investigating   complaints   against   licensed                                                                  
professionals  and taking disciplinary  licensing action  when                                                                  
appropriate.    The  board  has  consistently   proven  to  be                                                                  
efficient.  He urged passage of the bill.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:04:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAT   DAVIDSON,   LEGISLATIVE   AUDITOR,   LEGISLATIVE   AUDIT                                                                  
DIVISION,  LEGISLATIVE  AFFAIRS   AGENCY,  offered  to  answer                                                                  
questions of the Committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RICK  URION, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF  OCCUPATIONAL  LICENSING,                                                                  
offered to answer questions of the Committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PUBLIC TESTIMONY CLOSED                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:05:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer pointed out the fiscal note.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Foster MOVED to REPORT SB 85 out  of Committee                                                                  
with  individual  recommendations  and with  the  accompanying                                                                  
fiscal note.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SB  85  was  reported  out  of  Committee  with  a  "do  pass"                                                                  
recommendation  and with fiscal  note #2 by the Department  of                                                                  
Community & Economic Development.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:06:15 AM                                                                                                                    
HOUSE BILL NO. 22                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     An Act extending the termination date for the Board of                                                                     
     Governors of the Alaska Bar Association; and providing                                                                     
     for an effective date.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BILL  STOLTZE, SPONSOR,  MOVED  to ADOPT  work                                                                  
draft #25-LS0138\L,  Bullard,  5/8/07, as  the version  of the                                                                  
bill before the Committee.  Representative Hawker OBJECTED.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:07:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice  Chair Stoltze  noted  that  last year,  the  Legislature                                                                  
extended  the sunset  for  the Alaska  Bar  Association.   The                                                                  
work draft  was crafted in order  to protect the stability  of                                                                  
the  Board.     Last  year's  fiscal  note  did   not  have  a                                                                  
departmental  allocation  and was  exempt  from  appropriation                                                                  
powers  of the  Legislature.    He emphasized  the  amount  of                                                                  
money received  by that professional board from  dues charged.                                                                  
He believed there are serious fiscal issues.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:10:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES   ARMSTRONG,   STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE   BILL   STOLTZE,                                                                  
explained  that the draft  for HB 22  would extend the  sunset                                                                  
date of the Board  of Governor's Alaska Bar Association  (ABA)                                                                  
until  June 30,  2010;  it requires  an appropriation  by  the                                                                  
Legislature to dispense program funds.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The  Board of  Governor  for  the Alaska  Bar  Association  is                                                                  
comprised of  12 members; nine  are elected by active  members                                                                  
of the  Alaska Bar Association  (ABA) with three  non-attorney                                                                  
members,  appointed  by  the Governor  and  confirmed  by  the                                                                  
Legislature.   The  ABA collects  dues  and other  fees on  an                                                                  
annual  basis   and  expends   those  funds  to  operate   the                                                                  
association.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Armstrong  continued, the  bar association was  created in                                                                  
1955; the  funds that sustain  the bar association  are "State                                                                  
revenues"  and  the  ABA  continues  to  expend  that  revenue                                                                  
without an appropriation  by the Legislature.   The work draft                                                                  
will  correct the  situation, mandating  the ABA  to submit  a                                                                  
FY09  budget  request  through  the Alaska  Court  System  for                                                                  
review and approval by the Legislature.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Additionally,  the draft  creates  a "lawyer  fund for  client                                                                  
protection"  as a new  sub-account, which  would be  contained                                                                  
in  the General  Fund.   ABA  currently maintains  such  fund,                                                                  
with  nearly $1.2  million  dollars, to  reimburse  attorneys'                                                                  
clients,  who  have  suffered  non-insured  losses  of  money,                                                                  
property, or  other valuable items,  as a result of  dishonest                                                                  
conduct  by  attorneys.    The  fund  is  preserved  with  the                                                                  
creation  of the sub-account,  contained  with in the  General                                                                  
Fund  & not lapsing,  subject  to appropriation  each year  by                                                                  
the Legislature.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Armstrong  pointed out that  the Sponsor intends  that ABA                                                                  
should  not  be  able  to  spend  State  funds  without  being                                                                  
authorized   to  do   so  through   an   appropriation.     He                                                                  
reiterated,  the legislation  brings the  ABA into  compliance                                                                  
with  Article  IX,  Section 13  of  the  Alaska  Constitution,                                                                  
which  states  that "no  money  shall  be withdrawn  from  the                                                                  
treasury,  except in  accordance with  appropriations made  by                                                                  
law".                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
   ·    Section 1 is the extension of the Board until June                                                                      
        30, 2010                                                                                                                
   ·    Section 2 subjects the Board to dispense funds                                                                          
        subject to appropriation by the Legislature                                                                             
   ·    Section 3 clarifies that ABA should offer their                                                                         
        budget under the framework of the Alaska Court                                                                          
        System budget                                                                                                           
   ·    Section 4 establishes the lawyers fund for client                                                                       
        protection                                                                                                              
   ·    Section 5 places receipts of the ABA under the                                                                          
        fiscal procedures act as a funding source, receipt                                                                      
        support services                                                                                                        
   ·    Section 6 itemizes the applicability for the claims                                                                     
        & the budget provision & would not happen until FY09                                                                    
   ·    Section 7 provides the transitional provisions                                                                          
   ·    Sections 8 & 9 indicate the effective date                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:13:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  spoke to  his objection  adopting  the                                                                  
work draft.  He  pointed out that the House Finance  Committee                                                                  
has had  a tradition of keeping  reauthorization bills  clean.                                                                  
Politics  should not be  thrown into  the authorization  of an                                                                  
organization.   He  emphasized that  the State  does not  want                                                                  
the  Alaska   Bar  Association  to   sunset.    The   bill  is                                                                  
introducing  a major material  policy change  at a late  date.                                                                  
The  bill  entered  the public  domain  ten  minutes  ago  and                                                                  
affects  the separation  of legislative  powers.   He  worried                                                                  
about  the  appropriateness  of  the  policy  call.    He  was                                                                  
concerned  that his constituents  had not  had an  opportunity                                                                  
to review  the bill & knew he  was not qualified to  determine                                                                  
if  it would  be  appropriate  policy.    He stated  that  the                                                                  
legislation  violates the  transparency  of State  government.                                                                  
Representative  Hawker urged that the Committee  not adopt the                                                                
committee substitute.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:17:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair  Stoltze argued  that it  is not politics  creating                                                                  
the legislation  but rather  from concerns  of public  policy.                                                                  
He knew  that  the proposed  bill was  not a  surprise to  the                                                                  
legal community.   The State should have greater  oversight of                                                                  
the profession.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:19:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara indicated  that  he did  not know  enough                                                                  
about the  proposal to determine  if it was  good or not.   He                                                                  
agreed the problem  should be identified; however,  he did not                                                                  
see a link between  the bill and the problem.   He recommended                                                                  
the bill be considered by the public.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:23:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly requested information on  the objectives                                                                  
and how the draft accomplishes that.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:25:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair  Stoltze countered  that the  largest issue  is the                                                                  
money that the  State requires the profession  to pay, tied to                                                                  
their ability  to make a living.   ABA does not have  the same                                                                  
oversight  obligations  of other  boards.   He  mentioned  the                                                                  
"slush"  fund and  how  that affects  their  dues.   The  bill                                                                  
reduces fees  by 40% during  the level-off  period.   Like any                                                                  
other  State  board,   membership  costs  would   have  to  be                                                                  
justified.   He wanted to see  more accountability.   The work                                                                  
draft  addresses  the leveling  of  the  dues to  reflect  the                                                                  
costs of running the board.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:28:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  advised  that  the  comment  must  determine,                                                                  
which version the bill is being discussed.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  addressed  the  process.   He  thought                                                                  
that adopting  the work  draft, would  appear as a  procedural                                                                  
acceptance  and  that by  adopting  it, places  the  Committee                                                                  
into  "retrograde"   action.    He  objected   to  that.    He                                                                  
recommended  that the  work  draft be  considered  only as  an                                                                  
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:31:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Thomas  encouraged the  Department  of Law  to                                                                  
testify on the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE:        9:32:50 AM                                                                                                    
RECONVENE:      9:33:30 AM                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote  was taken on the motion to adopt  the draft.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:       Stoltze, Thomas, Meyer                                                                                          
OPPOSED:        Crawford, Foster, Gara, Hawker, Joule,                                                                          
                Nelson, Kelly                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault was not present for the vote.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:34:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  stated that the  original version of  the bill                                                                  
was before the Committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  commented  if  there  were going  to  be                                                                  
amendments,  the testifiers  need to know  in order that  they                                                                  
can address  those concerns and  changes.  Vice Chair  Stoltze                                                                  
stated  he  did  not  anticipate  building   on  his  previous                                                                  
position.    Co-Chair Meyer  recommended  discussion  be  made                                                                  
toward  the  original bill  version.    Representative  Hawker                                                                  
concurred  with the  Chair.   Representative  Joule  clarified                                                                  
that the Committee is now addressing only the extension.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:37:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN TIEMESSEN,  (TESTIFIED VIA  TELECONFERENCE), RECENT  PAST                                                                  
PRESIDENT,  ALASKA  BAR  ASSOCIATION,  ANCHORAGE,  noted  that                                                                  
past  boards have  only  appeared  before the  Legislature  on                                                                  
sunset  issues.   The  Alaska Bar  Association  is pledged  to                                                                  
have more contact with the Legislature.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tiemessen  mentioned current  programs being addressed  by                                                                  
the ABA:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · Diversity program requested by Representative Coghill,                                                                     
   · Mandatory education program initiated by Representative                                                                    
     Gruenberg, and                                                                                                             
   · Tiered dues proposal initiated by Senator McGuire and                                                                      
     Senator French.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tiemessen pointed  out that  the  Alaska Bar  Association                                                                  
has existed  in its  current form  since 1955.   The  lawyer's                                                                  
fund for client  protection has been in existence  since 1976.                                                                  
Currently,  there are over  3,000 members.   The core  mission                                                                  
of the Board of  Governor's and the Alaska Bar  Association is                                                                  
the admission  and discipline  of members.   That function  is                                                                  
handled  under the direct  supervision  of the Alaska  Supreme                                                                  
Court.  The Alaska  Bar is similar to the other  33 nationwide                                                                  
unified state bar associations.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:43:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tiemessen  addressed  concerns raised  in  the  Committee                                                                  
about   the  surplus,   which   presently,   ABA  does   have.                                                                  
Budgeting is  done on 10-year bases  and currently, is  in the                                                                  
earlier part  of that cycle.   He understood that was  not the                                                                  
manner  in which  other boards  and commissions  work.   Extra                                                                  
funds are  kept for the inevitable  day that the revenue  from                                                                  
the dues will not meet the operating expenses.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:45:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tiemessen  pointed  out that  the  ABA  does not  have  a                                                                  
companion voluntary  organization.   Many programs are  run by                                                                  
volunteer  organizations  providing newsletters  and  referral                                                                  
services, group  health insurance, informal ethics  advice and                                                                  
that accounts for the difference in the staffing.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:46:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tiemessen  addressed the  quality of  the office  space in                                                                  
the Atwood Building,  noting that the State of  Alaska invited                                                                  
the Bar Association  to take over  that space.  He  recognized                                                                  
that the  Legislature has  an important  role with the  Alaska                                                                  
Bar Association  and welcomed  opportunities to appear  before                                                                  
the State Legislature.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:47:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MATT CLAMAN,  (TESTIFIED VIA  TELECONFERENCE), NEW  PRESIDENT,                                                                  
ALASKA  BAR ASSOCIATION,  ANCHORAGE,  stated  that the  Alaska                                                                  
Bar Association  is responsive to the concerns  voiced through                                                                  
the  legislation.   He  mentioned the  dues  collected by  the                                                                  
Association  and   the  services  provided  for   those  dues,                                                                  
emphasizing the  services received by the public  members.  He                                                                  
offered  to answer  questions of  the Committee.   Mr.  Claman                                                                  
encouraged that  the Bar be extended  for another  three years                                                                  
pointing out that they are supervised by the Supreme Court.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:51:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara stressed that  the concerns noted  by the                                                                  
Legislature are  not going to disappear.  He recommended  that                                                                  
entry  dues  be  addressed.   Mr.  Claman  was  aware  of  the                                                                  
concerns,  advising  that a  committee  had been  assigned  to                                                                  
investigate the concerns.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:53:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL SCHEIDER,  (TESTIFIED  VIA TELECONFERENCE),  ATTORNEY,                                                                  
ANCHORAGE, noted  that he did  not agree with everything  that                                                                  
the Bar  supports, however,  receives  tremendous service  for                                                                  
the cost  of his  dues.  He  recommended that  the Bar  not be                                                                  
sunset or amended.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:54:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WAYNE  ROSS,  (TESTIFIED   VIA  TELECONFERENCE),   ALASKA  BAR                                                                  
ASSOCIATION,  ANCHORAGE,  stated  that  the  Alaska Bar  is  a                                                                  
great  organization, with  great  programs.   He stated  there                                                                  
should  be no changes  made.   He added that  the due  charges                                                                  
are less than other bars in the country.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:56:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE VANGOOR,  (TESTIFIED VIA  TELECONFERENCE), BAR  COUNSEL,                                                                  
ALASKA   BAR  ASSOCIATION,   ANCHORAGE,   offered  to   answer                                                                  
questions of the Committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:56:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair  Stoltze  stated that  he had no  further plans  to                                                                  
attempt passage of the work draft.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HB 22 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                          
9:56:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 9:56 A.M.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects