03/05/2012 08:00 AM House EDUCATION
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| Presentation: Nenana City School District | |
| HB256 | |
| HB272 | |
| Adjourn | 
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| *+ | HB 272 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | HB 330 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | HB 256 | TELECONFERENCED | |
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 5, 2012                                                                                          
                           8:02 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Alan Dick, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Lance Pruitt, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  NENANA CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 256                                                                                                              
"An Act repealing provisions relating  to the power and duties of                                                               
the Department  of Education and  Early Development  to intervene                                                               
in a school district to improve instructional practices."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 256(EDC) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 272                                                                                                              
"An Act  providing for a  reduction in interest  on postsecondary                                                               
education loans for residents."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 330                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing a Joint  Legislative Task Force on Education                                                               
Standards;  requiring  the  Department  of  Labor  and  Workforce                                                               
Development  to provide  information  and resources  to the  task                                                               
force;  establishing  state  education  standards;  amending  the                                                               
authority of  the Department of  Education and  Early Development                                                               
to  adopt education  standards;  and providing  for an  effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING CANCELED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 256                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: REPEAL STATE INTERVENTION IN SCHOOLS                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) DICK                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
01/17/12       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/6/12                                                                                
01/17/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/17/12       (H)       EDC, FIN                                                                                               
01/25/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
01/25/12       (H)       Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                                
02/01/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
02/01/12       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/01/12       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
02/03/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
02/03/12       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/03/12       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
02/06/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
02/06/12       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/06/12       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
02/22/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
02/22/12       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/22/12       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
03/02/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
03/02/12       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/02/12       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
03/05/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 272                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: STUDENT LOAN INTEREST REDUCTIONS                                                                                   
SPONSOR(s):   REPRESENTATIVE(s)    GARA,   GUTTENBERG,   GARDNER,                                                               
KERTTULA, HOLMES, TUCK, KAWASAKI, PETERSEN, GRUENBERG, CISSNA                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
01/17/12       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/13/12                                                                               
01/17/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/17/12       (H)       EDC, FIN                                                                                               
01/25/12       (H)       SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE INTRODUCED                                                                          
01/25/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/25/12       (H)       EDC, FIN                                                                                               
02/22/12       (H)       2D SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE INTRODUCED                                                                       
02/22/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/22/12       (H)       EDC, FIN                                                                                               
02/27/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
02/27/12       (H)       <Bill Hearing Rescheduled to 02/29/12>                                                                 
02/29/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
02/29/12       (H)       Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                                
03/05/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ERIC GEBHART, Superintendent                                                                                                    
Nenana City School District                                                                                                     
Nenana, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided a presentation of  the Nenana City                                                             
School District.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE KREITZER, Staff                                                                                                         
Representative Alan Dick                                                                                                        
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Presented   amendments  to  the  proposed                                                             
committee substitute for HB 256.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MIKE HANLEY, Commissioner                                                                                                       
Department of Education and Early Development (EED)                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Responded  to questions during  the hearing                                                             
on HB 256.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LES GARA                                                                                                         
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented  the proposed committee substitute                                                             
for SSHB 272, as joint sponsor of the bill.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DIANE BARRANS, Executive Director                                                                                               
Postsecondary Education Commission                                                                                              
Department of Education and Early Development (EED)                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Responded  to questions during  the hearing                                                             
on HB 272.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MOIRA SMITH, Attorney                                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the discussion of HB 272.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:02:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ALAN DICK  called the  House Education  Standing Committee                                                             
meeting  to  order  at  8:02 a.m.    Representatives  Seaton,  P.                                                               
Wilson, Kawasaki,  and Dick  were present at  the call  to order.                                                               
Representatives Feige  and Pruitt arrived  as the meeting  was in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation:  Nenana City School District                                                                                     
           Presentation:  Nenana City School District                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:02:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR DICK announced that the first  order of business would be a                                                               
presentation from  the superintendent  of the Nenana  City School                                                               
District.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:03:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIC  GEBHART,  Superintendent,   Nenana  City  School  District,                                                               
provided  a  presentation  of the  Nenana  City  School  District                                                               
(NCSD).   He  offered to  begin  with the  location and  building                                                               
descriptions  and move  on to  the activities  that occur  in the                                                               
school  [slide  1].    He  explained that  the  NCSD  offers  the                                                               
CYBERLYNX  statewide correspondence  program.   He then  reviewed                                                               
the class offerings,  which include core class  offerings, a K-12                                                               
music education program,  and vocational education opportunities,                                                               
including welding, auto, small  engines, construction trades, and                                                               
culinary  courses [slide  2].    The NCSD  received  a grant  and                                                               
implemented   Emergency   Trauma   Technician/Emergency   Medical                                                               
Technician (ETT/EMT) certifications.   The NCSD has  been able to                                                               
sustain  their program  since the  Tanana Valley  College's grant                                                               
assistance funding  ended in Fairbanks.   The school has  a full-                                                               
service  library, which  also serves  as  the technology  center.                                                               
The iPad for the literacy project  has been helpful, he said.  He                                                               
hoped to  expand the program beyond  the K-8 grades.   He offered                                                               
support for legislation to provide  further funding of technology                                                               
in the schools.  The school  also offers dual credit offerings in                                                               
college algebra  and English in  cooperation with  Western Oregon                                                               
University.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:07:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON asked whether the  University of Alaska                                                               
(UA)  could   offer  the  courses  instead   of  an  out-of-state                                                               
university.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEBHART answered  that contacts have been made at  the UA but                                                               
progress  has  been  slow  at the  university  and  the  distance                                                               
courses with the university have not yet happened.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON highlighted that the  legislature needs                                                               
to know if the university is not assisting them.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEBHART  answered that  it would  be good  to have  the dual-                                                               
credit offerings available,  but it just hasn't  become a reality                                                               
yet.  He highlighted that  the program is successful in elevating                                                               
the level  of math and  two of  their teachers are  adjuncts with                                                               
the Western Oregon University.   The credit cost has been reduced                                                               
to $240  per class and the  school district pays for  half of the                                                               
cost, which allows students to  receive college credits for $120.                                                               
Further,  if students  qualify for  free or  reduced lunches  the                                                               
class  cost  is  as  low  as $60.00.    These  classes  introduce                                                               
students to college courses and  experiences while they are still                                                               
attending  high school.   He  pointed  out the  classes start  in                                                               
January so these  students know they will be  successful prior to                                                               
attending college in  the fall.  He related that  10 students are                                                               
currently  enrolled in  college  algebra and  eight  or nine  are                                                               
enrolled   in  college   English   courses.     In  response   to                                                               
Representative Wilson, he  agreed a teacher for  the classroom is                                                               
necessary.    He  offered  that  Nenana  has  two  teachers  with                                                               
master's  degrees in  the areas  that allow  them to  teach.   He                                                               
acknowledged that the NCSD would  like to expand the courses they                                                               
are offering.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:11:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GEBHART said  the most  important resource  is an  effective                                                               
stable administration and  staff, which has been the  case at the                                                               
NCSD for  several years and since  Nenana is located on  the road                                                               
system it  has not been  difficult to find applicants  [slide 3].                                                               
The school now  has a fiber optic line,  which provides excellent                                                               
connectivity.   The buildings are  old, but not in  bad condition                                                               
and the  facilities should last for  some time to come  with good                                                               
maintenance.    A grant  was  provided  for the  Nenana  Science,                                                               
Technology, Engineering,  and Math (STEM) initiative,  which fits                                                               
into the college  plan and career interests [slide 4].   The STEM                                                               
program  focuses  on  relevance,   depth  of  understanding,  and                                                               
application of  what is learned.   He said he wants  the children                                                               
to love  to come to  school, love interacting with  teachers, and                                                               
be engaged in  brain development activities.  He  referred to the                                                               
website address in  members' packets so they can  check later and                                                               
peruse the site.   The Nenana Student  Living Center (NSLC)houses                                                               
up to  88 students  statewide and  this year  was begun  with the                                                               
maximum student  capacity with  some students  on a  waiting list                                                               
[slides 5-7].  He stated  that the student retention has improved                                                               
in the past few years.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:15:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GEBHART  described  the activities  and  programs  that  are                                                               
provided at the NSLC, which  includes suicide prevention training                                                               
for the student leadership and tutoring  five nights a week.  The                                                               
Tanana Chiefs Conference (TCC) has  provided funding for NSLC and                                                               
programs  such as  the suicide  training.   He reported  that the                                                               
NSLC  is working  to provide  more training  for students.   Some                                                               
students have  real jobs and  go through the  application process                                                               
for  the experience.   These  students  work in  the store  which                                                               
gives them an opportunity to work.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:17:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE asked where the  NSLC students come from and                                                               
how are they supervised.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEBHART  answered that  the NSLC  attendees are  from outside                                                               
the school district, including from  the Interior, Southwest, and                                                               
other outlying  areas of the state.   He said he  is the director                                                               
and  lives  at  the  center,  which is  also  supervised  by  two                                                               
additional  associate  directors -  male  and  female.   Resident                                                               
advisors are  also on staff,  and a resident  educational support                                                               
model is followed to support kids.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:18:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON noted  that 26  students have  left the                                                               
program and asked  for the reason.  She  questioned whether there                                                               
is an exit interview given.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEBHART  answered that  some students are  sent home  if they                                                               
violate the drug or alcohol policy.   The policy was changed to a                                                               
zero tolerance on drugs and  he emphasized that follow through is                                                               
important.  Additionally, suicides  have occurred in the villages                                                               
and  students  may  decide  go  back to  their  families  in  the                                                               
aftermath.   Other  students may  get  homesick and  go home,  he                                                               
stated.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON asked whether  the suicides occur in the                                                               
village or within the family.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEBHART answered both.   He suggested that sometimes students                                                               
go home and  return to the center  later, but others do  not.  He                                                               
remarked  that  suicide is  a  traumatic  situation and  everyone                                                               
handles  it  differently.   The  NSLC  offers student  leadership                                                               
training and the team has existed for some time.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:20:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEBHART  continued to describe  the leadership groups  at the                                                               
NSLC.   He  highlighted that  they added  the justice  circle and                                                               
family circle to  their duties this year.  The  demand to perform                                                               
at a  high level is impressive,  and the students formed  a group                                                               
called the  Unstoppables to interface with  the adult leadership,                                                               
he  said.    The  leadership  team rewrote  the  handbook.    The                                                               
leadership team  was also instrumental  in suggesting  changes in                                                               
drug and alcohol  policy.  The NSLC has been  in operation for 10                                                               
years and  he reported 110  students have graduated.   He related                                                               
that  11 students  completed  post-secondary  graduation, 43  are                                                               
attending post-secondary schools,  9 are in the  military, and 49                                                               
are working  and the remaining 21  are at home, some  are raising                                                               
families, and two are deceased.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:24:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEBHART  described the  CYBERLYNX program  as a  program that                                                               
provides  professional   educational  support  for   home  school                                                               
parents,  which operates  12  months  per year  [slide  8].   The                                                               
offices are administered by  certified special education teachers                                                               
at  all sites  and  provide aspects  of individualized  education                                                               
program (IEP) development.  He  stated that the CYBERLYNX program                                                               
is important  to him, especially since  it is a program  that can                                                               
provide services  to every student.   The program  offers regular                                                               
tutoring,  close monitoring  of  student  progress, and  frequent                                                               
consultation  with  parents.   The  program  also offers  regular                                                               
study  groups,  varied  curricular  choices -  from  remedial  to                                                               
advanced -  and dual-credit  offerings from  accredited colleges,                                                               
including courses  from the UA.   The CYBERLYNX program  offers a                                                               
graduation  completion  program  with  the  following  number  of                                                               
diplomas awarded:   2008-09,  28; 2009-10,  39; and  2010-11, 50.                                                               
He  pointed out  that these  students all  took longer  than four                                                               
years to graduate.  He  concluded his presentation by listing the                                                               
challenges that  the district is facing  [slide 10].    He stated                                                               
that the  NCSD needs a resolution  on the debt/loan for  the NSLC                                                               
facility  and students  need technology  tools, including  iPads,                                                               
laptops, whiteboards, and software.   He said the school district                                                               
also  needs resources  to  update/improve  all curricular  areas,                                                               
major  maintenance   resources  for  NCPS  to   restore,  repair,                                                               
upgrade, and  bring the facility  into compliance.   Finally, the                                                               
NCSD needs additional  resources to meet the  increasing costs of                                                               
operation, including health insurance and salaries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:27:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON inquired  about the  effectiveness of  the                                                               
iPad regarding the special education students.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEBHART  offered his  belief that the  iPad use  has improved                                                               
student skills, but  students have only used them for  a year and                                                               
assessments have not  yet been completed.  He  has observed iPads                                                               
being used for engagement in other activities and homework use.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:28:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked whether the  iPads are used solely in                                                               
the classrooms or if they are checked out to students.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEBHART  answered that the  iPads are kept in  the classroom,                                                               
including during the  after school program which  allows for some                                                               
extended use.  Additionally, the  iPads are shared.  He cautioned                                                               
that  at this  point the  center has  just enough  iPads for  the                                                               
classroom so if  someone left his other iPad at  home it wouldn't                                                               
be available for class use.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:29:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  announced  that a  number  of  superintendents  were                                                               
present  in the  audience, and  he recognized  each, which  were:                                                               
Duncan Ware,  Delta-Greely; Jim  Nygaard, Cordova;  Dave Herbert,                                                               
Cordova,  Steve Bradshaw,  Sitka;  Michael  Bier, Haines;  Norman                                                               
Eck, Northwest Arctic;  John Lamont, Lower Yukon;   Gary Baldwin,                                                               
Lower Kuskokwim; Jack Walsh, Bristol  Bay; Dave Piazza, Southwest                                                               
Region;   Todd Poage, Alaska Gateway;  Kerry Boyd, Yukon-Koyukuk,                                                               
Steve  Atwood, Kenai  Peninsula;  Rob  Thomason, Petersburg,  and                                                               
Corrina Guardipee, Kake.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          HB 256-REPEAL STATE INTERVENTION IN SCHOOLS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:32:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  announced that  the next order  of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 256, "An  Act repealing provisions relating to the                                                               
power  and  duties  of  the Department  of  Education  and  Early                                                               
Development  to  intervene  in   a  school  district  to  improve                                                               
instructional practices." [Version X was before the committee.]                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:33:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT moved  to  adopt  Conceptual Amendment  7,                                                               
which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, Line 18 to Page 4, Line 14:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          The      regulations     adopted      under     AS                                                                    
     14.07.020(a)(2)(A)-(H) must  be for the  improvement of                                                                    
     instruction.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  noted the  attached justification  for the                                                               
amendment, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     JUSTIFICATION:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          The intent of this section is to incorporate                                                                          
     cultural    standards,   intensive    early   learning,                                                                    
     community involvement, etc.  into regulations which are                                                                    
     promulgated for the improvement  of instruction, not to                                                                    
     require the department to  incorporate these goals into                                                                    
     every potential regulation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:33:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE KREITZER,  Staff, Representative Alan Dick,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, on behalf of the  sponsor, explained that Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  7 would  address  a concern  the  department had  with                                                               
language  on page  3, lines  19-22 of  proposed Section  4.   She                                                               
skimmed  over portions  of the  language,  including stating  the                                                               
department  shall  ... study  the  conditions  and needs  of  the                                                               
public  schools   of  the  state,   adopt  or   recommend  plans,                                                               
administer  and evaluate  grants  to  improve school  performance                                                               
awarded  under  AS  14.03.125,  and  adopt  regulations  for  the                                                               
improvement   of  the   public  schools.     She   explained  the                                                               
department's concern  is that every  regulation would  be subject                                                               
to all of  the requirements listed beginning on page  3, line 23.                                                               
Conceptual  Amendment  7  would   require  that  the  regulations                                                               
adopted  under  AS  14.07.020  (a)(2)(A)-(H)   must  be  for  the                                                               
improvement  of   instruction  and  would  not   apply  to  every                                                               
regulation that the department might have to promulgate.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:34:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:34 a.m. to 8:35 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:35:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE   asked  whether  Conceptual   Amendment  7                                                               
summarizes  the language  from page  3, line  18 through  page 4,                                                               
line 14.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER answered  no;  and explained  the  language is  not                                                               
replaced.    She highlighted  that  regulations  adopted for  the                                                               
statutes included on page  3, line 18 to page 4,  line 14 must be                                                               
for the improvement of instruction.   She clarified that language                                                               
is not  being replaced,  but noted  that all  of the  things that                                                               
must  be  included  in  the regulations  must  be  applicable  to                                                               
improvement of  instruction.  She directed  members' attention to                                                               
page  3  line  21  and  read,  "...  adopt  regulations  for  the                                                               
improvement of the public schools;  ...."  She explained that the                                                               
change  is to  reflect the  goal is  not for  the improvement  of                                                               
public schools but is for the improvement of instruction.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:36:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON acknowledged  he  is confused.   He  asked                                                               
whether any language is being deleted.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER  answered  no.     She  explained  that  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 7  would clarify that  regulations the  department must                                                               
promulgate,  including  cultural  standards and  intensive  early                                                               
learning, are regulations for the  improvement of instruction and                                                               
not simply for improvement of the public schools.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:37:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON clarified  that Conceptual  Amendment 7                                                               
is  conceptual to  allow  the drafter  to  craft the  appropriate                                                               
language and clarify the intent.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER answered  that is  correct.   She  stated that  the                                                               
sponsor  wanted to  avoid  unintended  consequences by  inserting                                                               
language on page 3, line 22: "improvement of instruction."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:38:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  asked   for  a   description  of   other                                                               
improvements of instruction.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER deferred to the department.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:38:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  HANLEY, Commissioner,  Department  of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development (EED), stated that the  concern with the language was                                                               
all  regulations  would need  to  incorporate  all the  functions                                                               
required under proposed Section 4.   He provided an example, such                                                               
that a regulation  could change for a  counselor's certificate or                                                               
the cut  score on WorkKeys.   Thus if  the cut score  was changed                                                               
the department would need to address  all of items listed [in the                                                               
subparagraphs in proposed  Section 4 (a) (2)]  in its regulation.                                                               
He  was concerned  that every  regulation  that changed  anything                                                               
having to  do with education would  need to be a  page long since                                                               
it would necessitate that the  department must incorporate all of                                                               
the  functions listed  in proposed  Section  4.   He offered  his                                                               
belief that was not the intent of the language.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:39:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON referred  to the  justification portion                                                               
of Conceptual Amendment  7, which she understood  is included for                                                               
the bill drafter.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY deferred to the drafter of the bill.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER answered that is correct.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:40:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   removed  his  objection   to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  7.    There  being no  further  objection,  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 7 was adopted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:40:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT moved  to  adopt  Conceptual Amendment  8,                                                               
which read, as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, Line 10:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          DELETE                                                                                                                
               [two] AND                                                                                                        
          Insert three                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, Line 15:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          DELETE                                                                                                                
               [third] AND                                                                                                      
          Insert fourth                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:41:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER  explained that Conceptual  Amendment 8  pertains to                                                               
the  amount  of   time  a  school  or  district   would  need  to                                                               
demonstrate  consecutive years  of improvement.   The  department                                                               
had  concerns related  to reducing  the  time from  three to  two                                                               
consecutive   years.     Additionally,  Conceptual   Amendment  8                                                               
reinserts three  years of consecutive improvement  and allows the                                                               
district to choose  to receive restoration services  for a fourth                                                               
year.    She pointed  out  a  typo in  the  proposed  CS will  be                                                               
corrected in the work draft.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  indicated that the  department had  expressed concern                                                               
that the district must be doing  well before it was released from                                                               
any intervention.   He offered his belief that  the department is                                                               
providing  a   tremendous  service   and  he   envisioned  school                                                               
districts would want to receive  the benefit.  He emphasized this                                                               
change was important to the commissioner.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:42:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked  what  help would  be  provided  to                                                               
school districts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK recapped that year  one allows evaluation by an expert                                                               
to  evaluate the  school district  with respect  to the  criteria                                                               
described,  including a  student's  preparedness to  learn.   The                                                               
first year  a coach for  the superintendent would be  selected by                                                               
the  superintendent and  the department.   Additionally,  another                                                               
coach would be  selected by the school board  and the department.                                                               
He stated  that in year  two the superintendent could  select his                                                               
or  her own  coach without  the department's  involvement in  the                                                               
decision.    The school  board  may  also  choose its  own  coach                                                               
without  the department's  assistance.   He outlined  that if  no                                                               
improvement occurs, in year three a team effort would ensue.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:44:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE referred  to  page 6,  line  13, and  asked                                                               
whether the two  consecutive years of improvement  should also be                                                               
changed to three years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER answered yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:44:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE moved  to adopt  Conceptual Amendment  1 to                                                               
Conceptual Amendment  8 on  page 6,  line 13  to change  "two" to                                                               
"three."   There being  no objection,  Conceptual Amendment  1 to                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 8 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:45:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   asked  whether  the  coaches   in  these                                                               
sections   are  the   one  week   per  month   coaches  initially                                                               
anticipated or if that has changed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK answered  that he has wrestled with  the question, but                                                               
ultimately decided  the superintendent and the  department or the                                                               
school board and the department could make the decision.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  inquired  as   to  the  funding  for  the                                                               
coaches.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER  answered that judging  by the fiscal note  it would                                                               
be paid for by the department.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON asked whether  Conceptual Amendment 8 would                                                               
significantly alter the fiscal note.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KREITZER answered that a section  in the bill, which has been                                                               
deleted,  represents  a $67,000  change.    She stated  that  the                                                               
fiscal note would not be significantly changed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:46:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON wondered  if  the  school districts  could                                                               
require the department to provide  coaches for the superintendent                                                               
for  professional  development and  to  the  school board  for  a                                                               
fourth  year.    He  suggested  it  seems  like  it  would  be  a                                                               
unilateral  decision by  the school  district, especially  if the                                                               
school district chose to have  full-time coaches.  He just wanted                                                               
to  ensure  that  this  bill  would  essentially  not  allow  the                                                               
district   to  have   an  assistant   superintendent,  a   school                                                               
counselor, or administrator paid for  by the state instead of the                                                               
coaches  intended under  the bill.   He  offered his  support for                                                               
improvements,  but   he  wanted   to  make  sure   the  committee                                                               
understands  the complexities.   Furthermore,  the bill  needs to                                                               
determine whether  the coaches  will be  the current  coaches and                                                               
define the funding  support.  However, he cautioned  that a full-                                                               
time  coach living  in a  rural district  would represent  a very                                                               
different  financial obligation  than a  professional development                                                               
coach who would  fly in on occasion to a  district.  He expressed                                                               
concern the  bill may leave the  definitions so broad that  it is                                                               
not possible to determine the funding.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:49:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON  pointed out that since the  plan is now                                                               
a  four-year versus  a three-year  plan so  some dates  and other                                                               
adjustments  will need  to be  changed in  the bill.   She  asked                                                               
whether HB 256  should be revised to ensure  all sections reflect                                                               
the change to the fourth year.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER  answered  that currently  a  school  district  can                                                               
petition  the  department  to  continue  restoration  activities.                                                               
This  bill  allows  a  school   district  the  choice  to  select                                                               
restoration  services  for the  fourth  year.   She  related  her                                                               
understanding  from   discussions  with  the   commissioner  that                                                               
continuing  for a  fourth year  would be  a decision  between the                                                               
department and the specific school district.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:50:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  asked for clarification of  what occurs in                                                               
the  fourth year  if no  improvement in  the school  district has                                                               
occurred in the first three years.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  related  his  understanding  that  the  team  -  the                                                               
superintendent,  school board  member,  the four  coaches, and  a                                                               
representative from  the EED  and the Board  of Education  - will                                                               
develop a  plan in the  third year  that will be  implemented and                                                               
evaluated.  He offered his belief  that it would take three years                                                               
before  the team  could evaluate  whether  the plan  is having  a                                                               
positive impact on the school district.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  related his  understanding the  plan would                                                               
start after coaching for three years.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  clarified that the  restoration would  entail coaches                                                               
for two years,  and in year three the plan  is implemented by the                                                               
superintendent.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT restated that  the restoration would entail                                                               
a  three-year  plan.    He  asked whether  the  team  would  then                                                               
formulate another plan.  He questioned  why the plan would not be                                                               
started in the first year or earlier on in the process.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  offered his  belief the  restoration plan  will work.                                                               
He  elaborated  that  rural school  districts  are  isolated  and                                                               
people are  sometimes too  close to the  problem to  identify it.                                                               
He suggested  minimal intervention may  be all that  is required,                                                               
such as  if a  superintendent was  coached for  five days  at the                                                               
beginning of  the year.   However, coaching for  potentially five                                                               
days  four  times a  year  may  be all  that  is  necessary.   He                                                               
suggested   such  assistance   would   be   beneficial  for   the                                                               
superintendent and  the school  board.  He  stated his  intent is                                                               
not to micromanage superintendents.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  highlighted the  gravity of  the situation                                                               
since children  will be affected.   Thus some follow  through may                                                               
be  necessary  to ensure  the  children  are positively  affected                                                               
during this process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:54:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK asked  Representative P. Wilson to  clarify an earlier                                                               
suggestion for evaluation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:54:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  referred to  page 8,  line 27  to sub-                                                               
paragraph (iv), which read:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     development   of  a   three-year  plan   by  the   team                                                                
     established under (ii) of  this subparagraph to restore                                                                
     the school;  during the three-year  plan, the  team may                                                                
     redirect  funding in  the  district  budget to  improve                                                                
     instruction;  the  superintendent shall  implement  the                                                                
     plan developed  by the team;  each year, at the  end of                                                                
     the  school year,  the team  shall evaluate  and adjust                                                                
     the plan as the team determines necessary;                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  P.   WILSON  suggested  additional   language  be                                                               
included  if a  fourth year  will be  considered.   She explained                                                               
that would  be for the protection  of the school and  to give the                                                               
department  guidance.   She highlighted  that  the committee  has                                                               
been very  careful thus far  and she supported  adding additional                                                               
language for clarification.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:55:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  considered the  plan as  a five-year  plan, including                                                               
two years  of coaching,  and in  the third year  a team  would be                                                               
brought in to develop an additional two-year plan.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  questioned  the reason  to  wait  two                                                               
years, which seemed to be too long of a time period.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  answered in  part,  due  to  the fiscal  impact  and                                                               
additionally,  that under  NCLB  it would  amount  to five  years                                                               
prior to any action being taken.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:56:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE offered  his  belief that  the coaches  may                                                               
identify  the problem  and resolve  the issues  in the  first two                                                               
years so  there wouldn't be  any need  to go into  the three-year                                                               
plan.  He  reiterated the trigger for  the additional restoration                                                               
only happens  if the  coaching fails.   He directed  attention to                                                               
page 6,  line 19, to  Representative Pruitt's point,  that during                                                               
instrument landings  pilots believe it is  a good idea to  have a                                                               
"missed approach  procedure," which has been  addressed by having                                                               
the department to cover the eventuality.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:58:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   removed  his  objection   to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  8.    There  being no  further  objection,  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 8, as amended, was adopted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:58:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY directed attention  to page 4, which excludes                                                               
the  ability to  appoint a  trustee.   He reminded  the committee                                                               
that under Moore v. State of  Alaska the court clarified the role                                                             
and responsibility  to provide oversight  and support  for school                                                               
districts; however, a trustee was  not indicated.  He related the                                                               
decision required  the state to  provide more direct  support for                                                               
schools that  are chronically underperforming.   He reported that                                                               
numerous steps  could be taken,  but currently the  department is                                                               
providing  coaches  and some  technical  support,  as well  as  a                                                               
trustee in one  school district.  He surmised this  may very well                                                               
address what  the judge  ruled in  terms of  direct support.   He                                                               
offered his belief that this bill  - which is different than what                                                               
the  department is  currently doing  -  holds the  state and  the                                                               
department  accountable  and   requires  accountability  for  the                                                               
school districts, as well.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:00:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  directed attention to language  on page 8,                                                               
line  29,  which  pertain  to the  development  of  a  three-year                                                               
restoration plan.  He explained  that one option included in that                                                               
plan is the  team may redirect funding in the  district budget to                                                               
improve instruction.   He  asked whether  that would  provide the                                                               
same ability as  has been available to the trustee.   Further, he                                                               
asked whether  the team would  have the same power  and authority                                                               
that the trustee had held.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY answered  yes, although  he noted  the power                                                               
has not been given to the  trustee since the authority rests with                                                               
EED.   The department would  need to come before  the legislature                                                               
prior to  an intervention to  redirect funds.  He  confirmed that                                                               
the  provision   would  not  change  the   department's  existing                                                               
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:01:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON   asked   whether   the   department   is                                                               
comfortable with  the team make-up  described in Version X  of HB
256.  He further asked  whether it would satisfy the requirements                                                               
under Moore v. State of Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  HANLEY  answered  that   he  did  not  believe  the                                                               
authority changes; however, the make-up  of the team is different                                                               
and outside influence and vision  could be helpful.  He indicated                                                               
that in  the case  of schools that  had been  underperforming for                                                               
years,  the ruling  applies specifically  to the  school district                                                               
that "has  been unwilling or  unable" to make the  corrections on                                                               
their own.   He  emphasized the importance  of having  an outside                                                               
person  since  an  internal  team   would  struggle  to  see  the                                                               
conditions they currently  face.  He reiterated  before funds are                                                               
redirected it  would be necessary  to come to the  legislature to                                                               
seek reappropriation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:03:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON highlighted  that currently many coaches                                                               
are not teachers  in schools, but come from the  ranks of retired                                                               
teachers.   She pointed  out that Amendment  9 would  require the                                                               
coaches be  selected by the  superintendent and the  local school                                                               
board and will  be from districts designated  as high performance                                                               
districts by the department.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK remarked  that two  issues are  being discussed.   He                                                               
related his  understanding that Amendment  9 speaks to  the coach                                                               
for the school board and not the superintendent.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY said he did  not fully understand how a coach                                                               
as currently  defined, which would require  extensive time, would                                                               
be able  to be pulled  from a  high-performing district so  it is                                                               
difficult to have  those two jobs.  He was  unsure how that would                                                               
work.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:05 a.m. to 9:07 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:07:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT moved  to  adopt  Conceptual Amendment  9,                                                               
which read, as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
       One coach from a high performance school district                                                                        
     shall be selected by the local school board;                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  noted the  attached justification  for the                                                               
amendment, which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     JUSTIFICATION:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The coach  selected by the  local school board  in year                                                                    
     2,  will  be  from  a district  designated  as  a  high                                                                    
     performance  district   by  the  department   under  AS                                                                    
     14.03.123.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:08:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER clarified  that Conceptual  Amendment 9  relates to                                                               
the second year of restoration  activities.  She referred to page                                                               
8, line 4,  and stated that the coaches would  be selected by the                                                               
superintendent, plus  one coach  would be  selected by  the local                                                               
school  board would  be a  coach from  a high  performance school                                                               
district.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:08:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON pointed  out  that  the coaches  don't                                                               
normally come  from the  school district,  but usually  come from                                                               
retired  teaching staff  or superintendents  who are  trained and                                                               
contracted  to do  the service.   She  cautioned that  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  9  changes the  current  selection  process and  would                                                               
create  an added  expense  since  new coaches  would  need to  be                                                               
trained.  She  characterized this as a  significant difference in                                                               
cost especially  as more  schools become out  of compliance.   It                                                               
represents  an  unfunded  mandate,  and the  committee  needs  to                                                               
decide  how  this   should  be  handled.     She  emphasized  the                                                               
importance  of identifying  funding  and  questioned whether  the                                                               
legislature is  willing to increase  funding to that level.   She                                                               
related her understanding the current  coaches would not be used,                                                               
but would come from a high-performance school district.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:10:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  referred to  page 9, lines  3-4, which  indicates the                                                               
funding for restoration would be  subject to appropriation by the                                                               
legislature.  A  coach could be chosen at will,  but the language                                                               
indicates the person must be of quality and must have expertise.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  questioned  whether  a district  would                                                               
have  a coach  available  or if  a person  could  be spared  from                                                               
regular duties to coach.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK related  his understanding that the  school board only                                                               
meets four  times per year for  three or four days  each session.                                                               
He related a  scenario in which school board "A"  wants to draw a                                                               
coach from school district "D" -  noting that district "D" has an                                                               
effective school  board - so school  board "A" would take  one of                                                               
the school board  members from school district "D" as  a coach to                                                               
help the school district.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:12:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON asked  whether  the  coaches would  be                                                               
taken  from the  state  board [of  Education]  or another  school                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK answered that it would be from another school board.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  related her  understanding  that  all                                                               
school boards meet each month.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT asked for the department's response.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON restated  the question for  the benefit                                                               
of the commissioner.  She  related her understanding that coaches                                                               
are not necessarily  working in a school, but  are contracted out                                                               
by the department to work as coaches.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER HANLEY answered that  the department hires coaches -                                                               
as resources  allow - so the  EED does not have  coaches standing                                                               
by who  are not working.   The only ones currently  employed have                                                               
tasks  around the  state.   He  anticipated  that this  provision                                                               
would  require an  additional coach,  which is  reflected by  the                                                               
fiscal  note.   He was  unsure  about the  availability of  high-                                                               
performance   school   district   coaches.     He   related   his                                                               
understanding that  the department  would hire another  coach for                                                               
the restoration  school districts  by choosing  from the  pool of                                                               
current employees in high-performance districts.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:14:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said it seemed  that the coaches  would be                                                               
elected members  of a local  school board from  a high-performing                                                               
school district.   He was  unsure whether voluntary  members that                                                               
have been  elected by a local  region - who understand  the local                                                               
region and constituents  - could be pulled from a  place, such as                                                               
Anchorage, to  go to  a single-site rural  district to  coach the                                                               
school  board  to improve  its  function.  He asked  for  further                                                               
clarification  as  to whether  the  parameters  he laid  out  are                                                               
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  responded that  was his  intent as  the sponsor.   He                                                               
remarked that  Norm Wooten  from Kodiak  is a  good example.   He                                                               
coaches many school boards throughout  the state.  He related his                                                               
goal was  to have  someone comparable  to Mr.  Wooten in  a high-                                                               
performance school  district assist  other school boards  to help                                                               
improve their performance.  He offered  to dismiss it and move on                                                               
if the coach concept is too complicated.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:16:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON acknowledged this provision  intends to                                                               
use a  school board member as  a coach in other  school districts                                                               
and would not envision using  a teacher from the high-performance                                                               
school district.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  related a scenario  in which a  coaching circumstance                                                               
could happen.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON suggested  that Conceptual  Amendment 9                                                               
should stipulate  that since the  amendment indicates  "one coach                                                               
from a high performance school  district shall be selected by the                                                               
local  school board;"  however she  understands that  is not  the                                                               
sponsor's intent.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:17:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  suggested an  amendment  to  Conceptual Amendment  9                                                               
might indicate, "one  coach from a functioning school  board of a                                                               
high performance school  district shall be selected  by the local                                                               
school board."  The intent would  be to have a quality coach from                                                               
a school district that is doing  well to help the school board in                                                               
a school district that needs restoration.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  offered  that  what  may  not  have  been                                                               
originally  captured is  the concept  that the  coach would  be a                                                               
member of the  elected school board.  He  suggested including the                                                               
language would be helpful.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:19:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  moved to  adopt Conceptual Amendment  1 to                                                               
Conceptual  Amendment 9,  to read,  "One  coach who  is a  school                                                               
board member  from a  high performance  school district  shall be                                                               
selected by  the local school  board."  There being  no objection                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 1 to Conceptual Amendment 9 was adopted.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   removed  his  objection   to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  9.    There  being  no  further  objection  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 9, as amended, was adopted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:20:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  referred to original  Conceptual Amendment                                                               
9  and offered  to identify  the amendment  since two  amendments                                                               
were on  the table titled  "Conceptual Amendment 9."   Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 9, just adopted read,  as follows [original punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 8, Line 4:                                                                                                            
       One coach from a high performance school district                                                                        
     shall be selected by the local school board;                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      The amendment had attached justification, which read                                                                      
     [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     JUSTIFICATION:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The coach  selected by the  local school board  in year                                                                    
     2,  will  be  from  a district  designated  as  a  high                                                                    
     performance  district   by  the  department   under  AS                                                                    
     14.03.123.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:21:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK,  after  first  determining no  one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 256.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:21:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT moved  to  report  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute    (CS)    for    HB   256,    labeled    27-LS1171\X,                                                               
Luckhaupt/Mischel,  2/27/12, as  amended, out  of committee  with                                                               
individual  recommendations and  the  accompanying fiscal  notes.                                                               
There being  no objection,  the CSHB  256(EDC) was  reported from                                                               
the House Education Standing Committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:22:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:22 a.m. to 9:24 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
            HB 272-STUDENT LOAN INTEREST REDUCTIONS                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:24:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
2d SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE  FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 272,  "An Act providing                                                               
for a reduction in interest  on postsecondary education loans for                                                               
residents."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT  moved  to adopt  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute   (CS)  for   2d   SSHB   272,  labeled   27-LS1162\R,                                                               
Luckhaupt/Mischel, 3/2/12, as the working document.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:24:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:24:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LES  GARA, Alaska  State Legislature,  stated that                                                               
he   consulted   with    Diane   Barrans,   Executive   Director,                                                               
Postsecondary Education  Commission and members of  the committee                                                               
to identify their  concerns with HB 272.   The proposed committee                                                               
substitute  (CS) incorporates  changes to  address the  concerns.                                                               
He  stated that  the intent  of  HB 272  is to  limit the  "brain                                                               
drain" in Alaska by assisting  to reduce the student loan burden.                                                               
The  most current  version of  the  bill would  clarify that  the                                                               
student loan reduction applies to  students who attend school out                                                               
of state  and return home  and to  students who attend  school in                                                               
the  state and  remain here.   It  would clarify,  pursuant to  a                                                               
comment  by   Representative  Seaton,  that  the   interest  rate                                                               
reduction would  not apply until  the course work  was completed.                                                               
Additionally,  it would  clarify  an  issue Representative  Feige                                                               
raised  on the  residency standard.   The  bill would  impose the                                                               
strictest allowable under the  U.S. Constitution, essentially the                                                               
permanent fund  program's residency standard, so  applicants must                                                               
be in Alaska  for one year before they are  eligible to apply for                                                               
the student loan  reduction.  Those items  have been incorporated                                                               
in the proposed  committee substitute (CS), Version R  of HB 272,                                                               
as  well as  a  recommendation  by Diane  Barrans  to reduce  the                                                               
principal rather  than the interest  rate.  This change  has been                                                               
incorporated  in  Version  R  for   ease  of  administration  and                                                               
potential  staff reduction.    He described  the  details of  the                                                               
reduction, such  that the  interest rate  would be  eight percent                                                               
and the principal would be reduced by three percent.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON said the  school loans were in  the red                                                               
at one  point and  she asked whether  this bill  would jeopardize                                                               
the current financial situation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:28:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIANE  BARRANS,   Executive  Director,   Postsecondary  Education                                                               
Commission, Department of Education  and Early Development (EED),                                                               
stated the  approach taken in  the revised bill has  been handled                                                               
cautiously.    The  benefit  to residents  who  qualify  is  only                                                               
available if  the legislature appropriates the  funds and removes                                                               
the process from the corporation.   Thus the corporation does not                                                               
have  any  liability  for  the  benefit.   The  bill  contains  a                                                               
provision to indicate that if  sufficient funds are not available                                                               
to allocate the three percent  reduction there will be a pro-rata                                                               
distribution.  This will help  ensure the consequences of the old                                                               
forgiveness program do not occur  again.  She described technical                                                               
changes,  such that  the prior  forgiveness led  young people  to                                                               
borrow  money  with the  assumption  they  only  had to  repay  a                                                               
portion of the loan; however,  conditions applied, including that                                                               
the borrower  needed to complete  his or  her degree and  live in                                                               
the state.   She pointed out  that many borrowers failed  to meet                                                               
the  requirements and  were left  with a  much greater  debt than                                                               
they anticipated.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:30:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  related her  understanding  that  the                                                               
legislature will approve the funding each year.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS answered that is correct.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:30:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked whether  Ms. Barrans  had a  copy of                                                               
Version R.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA highlighted  the main change in  Version R is                                                               
that the benefit will not occur  until a degree is completed by a                                                               
student, which will reduce the fiscal note.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON directed  attention to  page 2,  lines 2-3                                                               
and  asked  for  clarification  on how  this  language  works  in                                                               
conjunction with lines  12 and 13, which states  the reduction of                                                               
the  principal of  the loan  provided  under this  section is  in                                                               
addition to any other available reduction of the principal.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  referred to  page 2,  lines 2 and  3 and  stated the                                                               
sponsor developed  the language as  an attempt to ensure  that if                                                               
students qualify for  loan reductions via another  program - such                                                               
as a  Teacher Education Loan Program  - or they qualify  for loan                                                               
forgiveness  through another  state program  it disqualifies  the                                                               
students from the loan reduction.   In other words, the borrowers                                                               
would not be able to "double  dip."  She explained that lines 12-                                                               
13  permit borrowers  who  might qualify  for  other benefits  to                                                               
receive benefits from  programs, such as the  Alaska Student Loan                                                               
Corporation's   (ASLC) recurring automated payment  discount of a                                                               
quarter of a  percent.  She highlighted that  if students qualify                                                               
for  another  discount the  applicants  remain  eligible for  the                                                               
proposed student loan reduction.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:34:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON referred  to the language on  page 2, lines                                                               
2 and 3, "fully repaid"  and related his understanding this means                                                               
a loan  would need to be  completely paid off to  qualify for the                                                               
forgiveness.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  related that is  her understanding, but  deferred to                                                               
the sponsor to clarify.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA answered  that two  discounts are  possible,                                                               
including the  WWAMI discount and Teacher  Education Loan Program                                                               
discount, in  which the  loan is fully  repaid if  the conditions                                                               
are met.   He explained that  these students would not  receive a                                                               
three percent  discount since their  loans are fully repaid.   He                                                               
pointed  out  that minimal  reductions  occur  when students  pay                                                               
their  loans online,  as  previously stated.    He indicated  the                                                               
reduction proposed in  HB 272 will be in addition  to those types                                                               
of discounts.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:35:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  referred  to  page 2,  lines  4-5,  which                                                               
pertain  to when  borrowers complete  their degrees  in a  timely                                                               
manner.  He asked whether a timely  manner is a term of art or if                                                               
it mean it is not prolonged for 20 years.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  answered that subsection  (e) allows  the commission                                                               
to adopt by  regulation a description of timely  completion.  She                                                               
offered  her  belief  the  commission   would  likely  adopt  the                                                               
national  standard, which  is within  150 percent  of the  degree                                                               
length, so  if a four-year  degree is  completed in six  years it                                                               
would be  considered a  timely completion.   If the  student took                                                               
longer than  that time period  the student would not  qualify for                                                               
the  reduction.   Similarly,  if a  student  finishes a  two-year                                                               
degree in three years it would  be timely.  She acknowledged that                                                               
she is speculating since the commission would need to decide.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:37:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  suggested the  intent of HB  272 is  to pay                                                               
off loans  for students who live  in Alaska and attend  school or                                                               
attend school outside and have returned  to Alaska.  He related a                                                               
scenario in  which a pilot attends  a university in the  Lower 48                                                               
obtains an aviation degree.  He  has a student loan to repay, but                                                               
Alaska has  plenty of pilots.   He questioned the benefit  to the                                                               
state  to  offer  reductions  on student  loans  for  pilots  and                                                               
whether the bill  should be restricted to  particular skills, and                                                               
if so, it would also reduce the fiscal note.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:39:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  proceeded to a  full bill presentation.   He                                                               
stated  that the  intent of  HB 272  is to  assist residents  who                                                               
leave for educational  purposes to return to the  state to ensure                                                               
Alaska has a  strong work force.  He acknowledged  that it is too                                                               
costly to  forgive everyone's  student loans.   He  explained the                                                               
bill came  about when he  discovered he could  get a car  loan at                                                               
his  credit union  at  a  2.5 percent  interest  rate.   However,                                                               
students pay eight percent interest  rate on their student loans,                                                               
or  triple the  amount  of the  current rate  of  inflation.   He                                                               
suggested that when  students return to Alaska they  often have a                                                               
student loan,  a mortgage,  and start families.   The  impetus of                                                               
the  student loan  reduction is  to value  education.   He stated                                                               
that the  state has a  38-40 percent departure rate,  which means                                                               
38-40   percent  of   students  who   leave  Alaska   for  higher                                                               
educational purposes  do not  return to Alaska.   He  offered his                                                               
belief that  the state  would rather  encourage Alaskans  to come                                                               
home and  fill the jobs.   He stated  this is good  for families,                                                               
will keep  the state cohesive,  and will help keep  Alaska's jobs                                                               
for Alaskans.  As the sponsor of  HB 272, he has tried to address                                                               
concerns and limit the fiscal  note.  He acknowledged that people                                                               
outside  Alaska  can  fill  some   jobs,  but  the  state  should                                                               
encourage  Alaskans  to  fill  many  jobs.    The  state  invests                                                               
approximately $5,000  to $15,000 per  student each year  in grade                                                               
school alone.   The  investment is paid  off when  these students                                                               
grow up  and take jobs  in Alaska.  He  would like to  avoid what                                                               
happens  in the  oil industry,  which is  that employees  come to                                                               
Alaska  for two  weeks and  leave  to go  home to  the Lower  48;                                                               
instead,  Alaskans  should be  working  on  the North  Slope  and                                                               
returning to their homes in  Fairbanks, Stony River, or elsewhere                                                               
in  the state.   He  related that  the bill  indicates anyone  in                                                               
default is  eliminated during  loan defaults.   He  mentioned the                                                               
letters of support received in  order to help alleviate testimony                                                               
time on  the record.   He  emphasized that  given the  economy in                                                               
which  wages are  not rising  college graduates  cannot afford  a                                                               
loan   rate  triple   or  quadruple   the   rate  of   inflation.                                                               
Additionally,  the ASLC  can restrict  benefits  if the  proposed                                                               
reduction  will  bring a  student  loan  rate  to under  a  three                                                               
percent  interest rate.   Thus  the bill  sets a  floor that  the                                                               
minimum rate  should be  three percent  unless by  regulation the                                                               
ASLC determines a lower rate is justified.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:44:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA reiterated that  the student loan rate should                                                               
be in line  with mortgage rates, used-car interest  rates, or the                                                               
rate of inflation.   He cautioned that he did  not blame the ASLC                                                               
for the  current rate  since the  legislature covers  some costs.                                                               
He  acknowledged  the ASLC  cannot  pay  for  this benefit.    He                                                               
explained that  the bill is  modeled after the WWAMI  Program and                                                               
the Teacher  Education Loan Program  (TELP) and  the constitution                                                               
allows the state  to require a one-year residency.   Further, the                                                               
bill avoids  the pitfalls the  ASLC faced by making  students pay                                                               
the  discount; however,  if  the  ASLC has  funds  it could  also                                                               
decide to  pay a dividend  to the state.   The goal is  to ensure                                                               
that Alaskans  have jobs in  the state and avoid  any impediments                                                               
to move back to the state.   He said, "It's good for the economy.                                                               
It's good  for families to help  keep them together and  we think                                                               
it is a modest approach instead  of going the old approach, which                                                               
was  talking about  loan forgiveness  every year  that the  state                                                               
cannot afford."   He concluded  that the proposed CS  was drafted                                                               
to meet concerns raised.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:46:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON withdrew  objection to  Version R.   There                                                               
being no further objections, Version R was before the committee.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:46:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MOIRA SMITH, Attorney, stated she  would give a quick background,                                                               
identify some of  the perverse economic incentives,  and give her                                                               
view on the value  of having Alaskans return to the  state.   She                                                               
provided  a  brief history,  including  that  she was  raised  in                                                               
Juneau,    attended   Georgetown    University,   received    her                                                               
undergraduate degree  in 1998, and  graduated from law  school in                                                               
2007.   She said she took  out student loans for  each law school                                                               
year.  She reported that at  this point she has one undergraduate                                                               
student loan  left, which is her  Alaska Student Loan.   Prior to                                                               
consolidating  her  loans  she   had  four  separate  loans  with                                                               
interest  rates  ranging  from  eight   to  nine  percent.    She                                                               
consolidated her loans,  which reduced the interest  rate to 6.25                                                               
percent.  This interest rate is  still higher than all but one of                                                               
her  student loans.   She  thought it  was important  to identify                                                               
loans  other  than her  Alaska  student  loan  to put  things  in                                                               
context.   She  indicated  she currently  has  about $170,000  in                                                               
student loans,  except for her  Alaska student loan, which  has a                                                               
balance of $17,000 for law school  expenses.  She stated that the                                                               
interest  rate on  her  loans  range from  2.75  percent to  6.55                                                               
percent.   The Alaska  student loan is  the second  highest among                                                               
all her loans and the average  interest rate on her loans is 4.38                                                               
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH  continued by discussing incentives.   She acknowledged                                                               
that she made  the choice to attend law school,  but she attended                                                               
a state school.   She could have taken up  residency and paid in-                                                               
state tuition -  which would have saved her  thousands of dollars                                                               
per year  - but she  chose out-of-state tuition since  she wanted                                                               
to return  to Alaska.   Further, she  also had an  opportunity to                                                               
join her  friends at large law  firms, but she did  not interview                                                               
for  those jobs  since  the  jobs were  in  major cities  outside                                                               
Alaska.  She  highlighted that the first-year  salaries in Alaska                                                               
are less than  half of the $160,000 that San  Francisco and other                                                               
major cities pay  their first-year lawyers.   She emphasized that                                                               
these  are  the  very  real economic  incentives  that  can  lead                                                               
Alaskans  to  stay  away.    Unfortunately,  there  are  not  any                                                               
countervailing  economic incentives  to  return to  Alaska.   She                                                               
acknowledged there are  other reasons to want to  live in Alaska,                                                               
but  just not  any economic  reasons.   Finally, she  offered her                                                               
belief  that it  is worthwhile  to  have students  return to  the                                                               
state.   She  acknowledged that  Alaska absolutely  benefits from                                                               
having transplants  live in Alaska,  but other reasons  exist for                                                               
having  students return  home to  Alaska.   She acknowledged  her                                                               
daughter's  time with  her grandparents  is invaluable  and would                                                               
happen  less  frequently  if  she  had  chosen  to  live  in  San                                                               
Francisco.   She thought it  was a good  idea to reverse  some of                                                               
the "brain  drain."   Additionally, she  noted that  many Alaskan                                                               
students have  to leave the  state to attain some  higher degrees                                                               
and  HB 272  is a  way  to provide  an incentive  to bring  these                                                               
students home.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:51:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE asked whether she freely made decisions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH  agreed her decisions were  all freely made.   She said                                                               
she did  not want  to whine.   She said she  repays her  loans in                                                               
good  faith and  is not  complaining about  her economic  burden;                                                               
instead,  she is  reiterating  there is  a  means to  incentivize                                                               
students to return to Alaska, even for lawyers.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE asked what type of law she practices.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SMITH answered primarily oil and gas.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:52:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK,  after  first  determining no  one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 272.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:52:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  indicated   that   he   serves  as   the                                                               
legislative  member  of  the  Western  Interstate  Commission  on                                                               
Higher Education (WICHE), which includes  all western states.  He                                                               
reported that the level of  education in Alaska has deteriorated.                                                               
Alaska previously was  one of the highest-educated  states in the                                                               
nation with the most number of  graduates.  Alaska has now fallen                                                               
way down  on the  list and  it makes  the state  unattractive for                                                               
many  industries.   He explained  that industries  often consider                                                               
the level of  education of residents when they  are considering a                                                               
location.   He offered  to provide  statistics to  the committee.                                                               
He  said the  bill  will  help to  reverse  this  situation.   He                                                               
pointed out  that a highly  educated citizenry is  very important                                                               
to the  state.   He reiterated  this is  data that  is considered                                                               
when a  company considers expanding to  a new area.   The purpose                                                               
of the bill should be to  look at retaining and bring back highly                                                               
educated people  who can contribute  to our  communities, whether                                                               
they are taking a particular job or not.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:56:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  added that  Alaska ranks last  among college                                                               
attendance  and  completion.   He  suggested  that  the  marginal                                                               
benefits in  terms of salary may  not make it worth  it to remain                                                               
or return to Alaska.  He  said the bill may help those statistics                                                               
improve.  Also,  it is important to encourage  students to return                                                               
home from school  in the Lower 48 since the  money circulates and                                                               
stays in  the economy, which  is good for other  businesses since                                                               
it provides a ripple effect.   Further, it would help make Alaska                                                               
a stronger state.  He pointed out  the UA spends twice as much on                                                               
a  resident  student  than  a  student  who  pays  full  tuition.                                                               
Therefore, it  costs the  state money to  send a  student through                                                               
the UA  system.  He  concluded that the  bill will save  money by                                                               
allowing students to  attend the school of their  choice and give                                                               
them a three-percent reduction on their return.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:58:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE took issue with  the analogy of an 8 percent                                                               
student  loan  versus  a  2-3  percent car  loan,  which  is  not                                                               
necessarily  applicable because  of  the difference  in the  risk                                                               
involved.   He stated  that interest  rates are  set commensurate                                                               
with  the risk  on the  loan.   Higher rate  loans are  typically                                                               
riskier  for  banks  to  offer.   He  explained  that  banks  can                                                               
repossess a  car, but  a student  taking out  a college  loan who                                                               
later  defaults  on the  loan  does  not  provide the  bank  with                                                               
anything  to collect;  thus the  reason for  the higher  interest                                                               
rate on a student loan versus a car loan.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:59:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON requested  a graph  regarding the  current                                                               
default  rate  and  an  opinion  from  the  department  regarding                                                               
whether this  bill will have  an effect.  Additionally,  he asked                                                               
whether  the  department  views the  three-percent  reduction  as                                                               
unprofitable for the ASLC.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON referred to  the six statutes  cited in                                                               
the bill and asked for further information.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA agreed  to  provide the  information to  the                                                               
committee.   In  further  response to  Representative Seaton,  he                                                               
answered that  the ASLC does  not pay  for the discount  from its                                                               
assets  since  the funds  are  subject  to appropriation  by  the                                                               
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:01:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON referred  to  page  2, line  6,  which                                                               
states  that the  reduction is  subject to  appropriation by  the                                                               
legislature.   She  asked for  clarification on  the process  and                                                               
whether the legislature will receive a report.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA answered  that  is the  current process  for                                                               
WWAMI,  and the  TELP.   He explained  they know  how much  these                                                               
programs will  cost and if  the estimates are  wrong supplemental                                                               
funding is  requested.  The  legislature has never chosen  not to                                                               
fund  those programs  so the  funding  has been  continuous.   He                                                               
anticipated if  HB 272 passes  that the legislature  will provide                                                               
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:02:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS clarified  how the  WWAMI  program is  funded.   The                                                               
WWAMI program is front loaded  by a general fund appropriation to                                                               
support the cost  of the program.  All of  the funds are provided                                                               
when  the  students  begin  to  participate  in  the  program  so                                                               
essentially funds are not collected  back from WWAMI graduates if                                                               
they  practice  in  the  state.   Thus  the  structure  is  quite                                                               
different than  what is being proposed  in HB 272.   Further, she                                                               
indicated the  Teacher Education Loan  Program (TELP) is  a small                                                               
program.  It is not supported  by general funds and there are not                                                               
any appropriations associated  with it.  The  program existed and                                                               
was  disclosed  in  bond  documents  when  the  corporation  that                                                               
originally began  the program issued  bonds.  The TELP  is funded                                                               
by the  ASLC.   It is  such a  small program  with fewer  than 90                                                               
students  per  year who  qualify  for  the  TELP.   Further,  the                                                               
success rate  is relatively  low for the  number of  teachers who                                                               
complete the degrees in qualifying  schools.  Therefore, the cost                                                               
is absorbed by the ASLC, but  it is minimal.  She emphasized that                                                               
HB 272 takes a very different  approach and will be contingent on                                                               
legislative  appropriations  each year  based  on  the number  of                                                               
applicants eligible.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
[HB 272, Version R, was held over.]                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:05:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 10:05 a.m.                                                                
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects | 
|---|---|---|
| CS to 2nd SS HB 272 Version T Sponsor Statement.pdf | HEDC       3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 272 | 
| CS for 2nd SSHB272 Version T.pdf | HEDC       3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 272 | 
| CS for 2nd SSHB272 Backup - Student loan rates.pdf | HEDC       3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 272 | 
| 2nd SS HB272-EED-ACPE-02-28-12.pdf | HEDC       3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 272 | 
| CS HB256 (EDC)-DOA-DAS-3-2-2012.pdf | HEDC       3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 256 | 
| CS HB256 Version X -EED-TLS-3-2-12.pdf | HEDC       3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 256 | 
| 2nd CS SS HB 272 Version R 03 02 12 Legal Memo.pdf | HEDC       3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 272 | 
| CS for 2nd SSHB272 Version R.pdf | HEDC       3/5/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 272 |