01/27/2012 08:00 AM House EDUCATION
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| HB282 | |
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        January 27, 2012                                                                                        
                           8:11 a.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Alan Dick, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Lance Pruitt, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 145                                                                                                              
"An Act  establishing the parental choice  scholarship program to                                                               
be administered  by school  districts for  the purpose  of paying                                                               
the cost  of attending grades  kindergarten through 12  at public                                                               
and private schools; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 282                                                                                                              
"An Act  relating to applying  military education,  training, and                                                               
service   credit   to    occupational   licensing   and   certain                                                               
postsecondary  education  and employment  training  requirements;                                                               
and providing for a temporary  occupational license for qualified                                                               
military service members."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 282(EDC) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 8                                                                                                               
"An Act  relating to questionnaires  and surveys  administered in                                                               
the public schools."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 145                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: K-12 SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM                                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) KELLER                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
02/09/11       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/09/11       (H)       EDC, FIN                                                                                               
03/25/11       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
03/25/11       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/25/11       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
04/04/11       (H)       EDC AT 5:00 PM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/04/11       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/04/11       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
04/06/11       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/06/11       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/06/11       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
04/08/11       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/08/11       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/08/11       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
04/11/11       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/11/11       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
04/15/11       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/15/11       (H)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
01/23/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
01/23/12       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
01/23/12       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
01/27/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 282                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MILITARY TRAINING CREDIT/TEMP. LICENSE                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) THOMAS                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
01/17/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/17/12       (H)       EDC, FIN                                                                                               
01/27/12       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WES KELLER                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced the proposed committee                                                                        
substitute (CS) for HB 145 and responded to questions.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ERNEST PRAX, Staff                                                                                                              
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Presented the changes made  in the proposed                                                             
committee  substitute   (CS),  for  HB  145,   and  responded  to                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JEAN MISCHEL, Attorney                                                                                                          
Legislative Legal Counsel                                                                                                       
Legislative Legal and Research Services                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:   Responded  to questions during  the hearing                                                             
on HB 145.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE KREITZER, Staff                                                                                                         
Representative Alan Dick                                                                                                        
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided  committee  questions, for  legal                                                             
comment, during the hearing on HB 145.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK KOPP, Staff                                                                                                               
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Responded  to questions during  the hearing                                                             
on HB 145.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
AARON SCHROEDER, Staff                                                                                                          
Representative Bill Thomas, Jr.                                                                                                 
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented  the proposed committee substitute                                                             
(CS) for  HB 282, on  behalf of Representative Bill  Thomas, Jr.,                                                               
prime sponsor.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MARK SAN SOUCI, Regional State Liaison                                                                                          
Office of the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense                                                                             
Military Family & Community Policy                                                                                              
Tacoma, Washington                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 282.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS CHRISTENSEN, Associate Vice President                                                                                     
State Relations                                                                                                                 
University of Alaska Southeast (UAS)                                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided University  of Alaska System policy                                                             
measures  relating  to  section   2  of  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute (CS) for HB 282.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DON HABEGER, Director                                                                                                           
Division of Corporations, Business, and Professional Licensing                                                                  
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development (DCCED)                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 282.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:11:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ALAN DICK  called the  House Education  Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order at 8:11 a.m.   Present at the call to order were                                                               
Representatives  Dick,  P.  Wilson, Seaton,  Feige,  Pruitt,  and                                                               
Cissna;  Representative Kawasaki  arrived as  the meeting  was in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                HB 145-K-12 SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:11:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  announced that the  first order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  145, "An  Act establishing  the parental  choice                                                               
scholarship program  to be administered  by school  districts for                                                               
the purpose of  paying the cost of  attending grades kindergarten                                                               
through 12  at public and  private schools; and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:12:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK closed public testimony.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:12:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT  moved  to adopt  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB   145,  labeled  27-LS0223\G,  Mischel,                                                               
1/24/12, as a work draft.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for discussion.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:13:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WES KELLER,  Alaska State  Legislature, expressed                                                               
his  gratitude   for  the  committee's   work,  on  HB   145,  by                                                               
paraphrasing  a quote  from Ben  Franklin,  which read  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ... nothing is of more  importance for the public weal,                                                                    
     than to form  and train up youth in  wisdom and virtue.                                                                    
     Wise and good  men are, in my opinion,  the strength of                                                                    
     a state; much more so than riches or arms, ...                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER deferred  to  staff for  a  review of  the                                                               
changes represented in the proposed CS.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:14:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERNEST  PRAX,  Staff,  Representative Wes  Keller,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, said that Version G  contains three primary changes.                                                               
Directing attention  to page 1,  line 14, he indicated  the first                                                               
change,  which  is  to  clarify   that  the  scholarship  program                                                               
requires  a  separate  legislative  appropriation,  by  inserting                                                               
language to read:   "Payments made under the  program are subject                                                               
to  appropriation."   Secondly, the  language change  on page  2,                                                               
line  5, stipulates  the residence  requirement by  removing "in"                                                               
and  altering  the  language  to   read:    "…regardless  of  the                                                               
attendance  area or  the  school district  in  which the  student                                                               
resides."   Finally, five  lines of language  have been  added to                                                               
page 4, lines  21-25, at the behest of Chair  Dick, which exempts                                                               
schools that have an average  daily membership (ADM) of less than                                                               
50 students per year.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK explained  his intent to protect  small schools, which                                                               
may be  negatively impacted by  passage of  HB 145.   Further, he                                                               
pointed  out  that  the  three   year  limit  will  allow  future                                                               
legislatures to  revisit the effects  of the bill on  the smaller                                                               
schools.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:18:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  asked  whether  the  CS  retains  the                                                               
language referring to  a two year grace period,  for schools with                                                               
an ADM below 10.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PRAX answered,  yes, and directed attention to  page 3, lines                                                               
6-11.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON asked whether  a school with an  ADM of                                                               
less than  10 would receive funding  at the 10 student  level, or                                                               
receive reduced funding, but be allowed to remain open.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. PRAX explained  that a school dropping below  the minimum ADM                                                               
of 10 would receive full funding for a period of two years.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON  surmised that a school  with 9 students                                                               
would be funded for two years,  as though it had an enrollment of                                                               
10  students,   but  in   the  third   year,  funding   would  be                                                               
discontinued.  She  stated her understanding that  the third year                                                               
is when the  state would be made aware of  how many schools would                                                               
be closed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:21:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  explained that the intent  of Section 2 of  the bill,                                                               
providing  a  three  year  sunset  clause is  to  allow  time  to                                                               
evaluate  how well  the  program  is working.    The proposed  AS                                                               
14.31.030, stipulating  a two  year period of  grace, due  to low                                                               
enrollment, would not sunset.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON underscored  the need to  provide clear                                                               
intent  in   the  proposed  language,   and  asked   for  further                                                               
explanation of how the two aspects of the bill might work.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PRAX  pointed out that the  language on page 4,  lines 21-25,                                                               
is applicability language, which  stipulates that schools with 50                                                               
or  less  students   when  the  bill  takes   effect,  could  not                                                               
participate  for the  first  three years.    Following the  third                                                               
year, the  legislature will  have the  opportunity to  review the                                                               
program and decide whether to  continue the program, and then the                                                               
schools with less than 50 students could participate.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  assured that there  would not  be a mass  exodus from                                                               
public schools, with  the passage of this bill and  said that the                                                               
intent is  to provide a three  year window in order  to grasp the                                                               
effects of  the legislation.   Following the initial  three years                                                               
adjustments could then be made.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  maintained her  concern and  said that                                                               
following  the  third  year  small   schools  could  be  severely                                                               
impacted.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:26:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE offered his  understanding, stating that the                                                               
bill would not apply to small  schools for the first three years.                                                               
If in the  fourth year the enrollment drops below  10, there is a                                                               
waiver to allow schools to remain open for two additional years.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:27:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said he reads the  bill as a directive to a                                                               
parent, that  if a family  resides in  a community with  a school                                                               
size of less than 50, the program is not available.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  agreed that small  schools are  on the cusp,  and not                                                               
every  parent  will  have  the choice  of  participating  in  the                                                               
program.  He  further agreed that caution must be  taken to avoid                                                               
a situation  that would  eliminate a public  school as  a choice,                                                               
due to lack of enrollment.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:30:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA expressed  concern, and  objection to  the                                                               
amendment, due  to the pace  with which  the bill is  being moved                                                               
through  committee.    She  asked  to  have  further  information                                                               
provided, time allowed to review  the information, and department                                                               
and school officials made available for comment.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  pointed  out  that,  particularly  considering  NCLB                                                               
requirements, a one size solution doesn't fit all.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:32:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   PRUITT  asked   whether  Representative   Cissna                                                               
objects to  the proposed CS, or  the amendment, which is  not yet                                                               
under discussion.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  suggested that a special  sub-committee to                                                               
review all of  the changes would be helpful, and  stated that she                                                               
does  not  object  to the  proposed  legislation;  the  committee                                                               
process is a concern.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:33:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEAN MISCHEL,  Attorney, Legislative Legal Counsel,  said she was                                                               
available for questions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE KREITZER,  Staff, Representative Alan Dick,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  on   request  of   legal  counsel,   clarified  the                                                               
committee's  question  asking how  Section  2  of the  bill,  and                                                               
proposed AS 14.31.030, work together in practicality.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:34:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MISCHEL  explained that the applicability  provision, Section                                                               
2, excludes schools with fewer than  50 students for a three year                                                               
period after  the effective  date of  the act.   The  proposed AS                                                               
14.31.030,  stipulates  that the  school  size,  for purposes  of                                                               
state aid calculation,  would not change if the  size falls below                                                               
10 for a period  of a two year period.   To a follow-up question,                                                               
she  pointed  out  that  proposed AS  14.31.030  is  a  permanent                                                               
provision.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:37:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked  if  it  is  correct  to  interpret                                                               
Section 2 to mean that parents  in communities with fewer than 50                                                               
students on  the school rolls  do not qualify  for participation,                                                               
during the initial three years of the program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. MISCHEL said that is correct.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON queried  whether constitutional due process                                                               
issues  would  arise,  given   the  exclusionary  restriction  of                                                               
providing a state benefit only to larger communities.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MISCHEL responded  that HB  145  may present  a valid  equal                                                               
protection question.   A court  would not  necessarily invalidate                                                               
the provision;  however the legislature would  need to articulate                                                               
legitimate  rationale  related  to  the provision.    One  policy                                                               
rational  in  question  would  be the  potential  failure  of  an                                                               
existing public  school, particularly  if it  is the  only public                                                               
school available  in the  area, and the  effect on  the remaining                                                               
students.  Other questions might also  arise, but she said if the                                                               
legislature  has  a  legitimate   purpose,  and  a  provision  is                                                               
tailored to that purpose, it would be upheld by the court.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:41:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK observed  that a  line  has been  legally drawn,  and                                                               
cited the ADM  limit of 10.  Thus,  discrimination already exists                                                               
for anyone who lives in a village with less than 10 students.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:42:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT asked whether  there are any public schools                                                               
with  less   than  50  students   located  in  proximity   to  an                                                               
established private  school, which  might be effected.   Further,                                                               
he  questioned whether  a private  school  could successfully  be                                                               
established in a three year period.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. PRAX deferred to legal counsel.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MISCHEL  responded that the applicability  provision [Section                                                               
2] excludes families from the program for a three year period.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:44:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK KOPP, Staff, Senator Fred  Dyson, Alaska State Legislature,                                                               
added  that the  language under  applicability clearly  indicates                                                               
that  a  parental choice  scholarship  may  not affect  a  public                                                               
school.  Thus, if public  enrollment is reduced because a child's                                                               
parents  have chosen  another school,  the public  school funding                                                               
will not be  impacted for a period of three  years.  Referring to                                                               
the requirement of  an ADM of 10 students, he  said these are two                                                               
very  different  provisions, however,  in  neither  case does  it                                                               
remove  the  ability  of  a  parent to  make  a  choice  for  the                                                               
education of their child.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MISCHEL said  the applicability provision [Section  2] is not                                                               
limited to a  particular aspect of the program.   The parents who                                                               
have students in  a public school with  an ADM of 50  or less may                                                               
choose  to  send  their  student  to a  private  school,  but  no                                                               
scholarship funding  would be available  for a three  year period                                                               
to support that choice.  She  indicated that the section could be                                                               
rewritten from  applicability and be made  a temporary protection                                                               
section; similar to proposed AS 14.31.030.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP offered  that the intent is to  promote parental choice,                                                               
and it  appears that  the opportunity will  be limited  for three                                                               
years, as written.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MISCHEL  responded  yes.   She  referred  to  Representative                                                               
Pruitt's  question, regarding  size,  proximity  of schools,  and                                                               
whether there  are families that  would be affected, and  said an                                                               
EED response would be appropriate.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:48:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  offered his understanding  that in states  where this                                                               
type of  legislation has been implemented,  reports indicate that                                                               
everyone involved  has benefited and the  educational outcome has                                                               
been good.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:48:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  asked whether  the bills adopted  by other                                                               
states are the  same as what is before this  committee and if the                                                               
reports are from states with similar rural conditions as Alaska.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  responded no, and added  that there is no  state like                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:49:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  suggested  aligning  the bill  aspects                                                               
under discussion; the hold harmless  clause and the applicability                                                               
section.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK said:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     We're talking  about a five  year period.   Three years                                                                    
     where it's  just hold harmless  - let's figure  out how                                                                    
     this thing works - and after  that there would be a two                                                                    
     year grace period for communities to adjust.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. MISCHEL interjected  that the two year period  is a permanent                                                               
provision.   Thus, if a  schools ADM drops  below 10, it  will be                                                               
held harmless  for a  two year  period from that  point; it  is a                                                               
floating two year period after the first three year exclusion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:52:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  stated his understanding that  the funding                                                               
is based on  the residency of the person not  the location of the                                                               
school.   A qualified boarding,  correspondence or  other private                                                               
school  would  receive  a  scholarship  amount  for  an  enrolled                                                               
student, at  the rate  for which the  student's home  district is                                                               
budgeted.   He  asked  whether it  is correct  that  there is  no                                                               
requirement  that   a  private  school  establish   in  the  same                                                               
community in which the enrollment reduction occurs.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MISCHEL concurred  and said  that  the funding  is based  on                                                               
where ever  the student retains  residency; their  home district.                                                               
The  private  school could  be  located  anywhere in  the  state.                                                               
Transportation  costs  may  discourage  this  type  of  scenario,                                                               
unless  a  boarding  school  situation was  entered  into.    The                                                               
higher, rural funding would be  paid to an urban boarding school,                                                               
should  a  student transfer  in,  and  retain a  remote  resident                                                               
address.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:55:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  referred  to  page  3,  line  6,  and                                                               
requested a further explanation of Sec. 14.31.030.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. MISCHEL  said that if  a student count  falls below 10,  as a                                                               
result of  the parental  choice scholarship,  the school  is held                                                               
harmless.   The school will be  treated, for the purposes  of the                                                               
school  size factor,  as having  10  students in  order to  avoid                                                               
closure.   The funding, for 10  students, will be received  for a                                                               
period  of  two  years,  during which  time  the  enrollment  may                                                               
increase, or the school would be closed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  clarified   that  this  represents  a                                                               
floating two years.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MISCHEL  indicated that  the two year  period could  begin at                                                               
any time, through the life of the program.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:56:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  stated that under this  section the school                                                               
would be  treated as  having 10 students,  in regards  to funding                                                               
received for the district cost  factor, but would not receive the                                                               
ADM funding for students who  are not actually attending; the ADM                                                               
funding would be directed to the student's school of choice.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MISCHEL explained that the  section only speaks to the school                                                               
size  factor,  not the  district  cost  factor;  the ADM  is  the                                                               
reference point.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     If a school went down to  five, they're not going to be                                                                    
     funded as if they had ten  students in the school.  The                                                                    
     cost  factor  to the  district  will  still remain  the                                                                    
     same, but  they're only  going to get  the ADM  and the                                                                    
     funding  for five  students not  for ten  students. ...                                                                    
     We're really only maintaining  the district cost factor                                                                    
     ...  not the  average daily  membership, as  if it  was                                                                    
     fully ten.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:59:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  reported that  he has experienced  life in  a village                                                               
where a school  was closed, and the cost factor  is far reaching,                                                               
as it includes  many factors including legal filings.   He stated                                                               
his understanding  that a school would  receive continued funding                                                               
for 10 students, and asked if that is correct.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:59:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MISCHEL  said that the  proposed language only speaks  to the                                                               
school size factor,  under AS 14.17.450; but the  size creates an                                                               
adjusted  student count.   There  is no  multiplier for  a school                                                               
with a student count of  10-20 students, thus, AS 14.17.450 would                                                               
normally  require that  a  school falling  below  10 be  included                                                               
within the  same district  with the  lowest ADM.   She  said this                                                               
action would not occur for a two year period.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  opined that given  the two year grace  period, school                                                               
districts would have ample opportunity to plan ahead.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PRAX offered that the intent  is to have a school continue to                                                               
be funded at  the 10 student level, and if  the language needs to                                                               
be  changed  to  reflect  that   intent  an  amendment  would  be                                                               
welcomed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:01:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 9:01 a.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  reported that  the  sponsor  of  the bill  does  not                                                               
support an amendment for the section under discussion.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:02:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  turned to  page 2, lines  9 and  31, which                                                               
indicate allowable  tuition, and stated his  understanding that a                                                               
private  school  would  receive  the same  basic  aid  and  local                                                               
contribution  that  would be  applicable  to  a public  facility,                                                               
including correspondence  schools.   However, he pointed  out, it                                                               
appears that  a private correspondence  school would  receive 100                                                               
percent  of allowed  funding,  whereas  public schools  currently                                                               
receive only 80 percent, under the funding formula.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOPP said  it would  be  possible that  the private  program                                                               
could receive 100 percent funding.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  reiterated   that  public  correspondence                                                               
programs are  only allowed funding at  the rate of 80  percent of                                                               
the ADM.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP  conjectured that tuition  for a  private correspondence                                                               
school would  be competitive, and  suggested that  establishing a                                                               
specific  percentage that  could  be funded  would eliminate  the                                                               
concern.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  suggested that  private tuition  costs may                                                               
experience a  surge to reflect  the influx of state  funding, and                                                               
the structure  of the  bill allows for  funding above  what state                                                               
institutions are allowed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:08:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  concurred  that  the  tuition  of  private                                                               
correspondence programs  may rise.   The choice that  parents and                                                               
students  will make,  remains unknown,  he said,  and underscored                                                               
the  importance for  competition.   He  suggested equalizing  the                                                               
funding factor to mitigate the concern.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
EPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said it does  not appear that  an amendment                                                               
has  been crafted  to  address this  issue,  and underscored  his                                                               
concern for the language contained in the proposed CS.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:10:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER pointed  out  that  the finance  committee                                                               
would revue how the education funding formula works in the bill.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  held that  the education  committee should                                                               
be crafting  the bill appropriately,  prior to passing it  to the                                                               
next committee of referral.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  agreed  that establishing  appropriate                                                               
policy in  this committee is  important.  Further, she  said that                                                               
private  schools   will  be  allowed  to   discriminately  enroll                                                               
students, even though public funds are being received.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  pointed out  that charter schools  are not                                                               
open enrollment  institutions, and  receive public  funds; albeit                                                               
on a different scale.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:13:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON moved to page 3, line 29, and read:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
      The department shall adopt regulations necessary to                                                                       
       carry out the program in a manner that ensures the                                                                       
     highest number of student and school participation,                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  said   this  is   problematic,  as   the                                                               
department is  being directed to  write regulations that  will be                                                               
as  detrimental as  possible to  the public  schools; the  use of                                                               
"shall"  and  "ensure" are  not  appropriate  directives for  the                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOPP responded  that  the proposed  language  refers to  the                                                               
administrative process,  and is a clear  statement of legislative                                                               
intent to provide  direction for efficiencies in  process for how                                                               
schools of choice can be  established.  Operational guidance of a                                                               
school will  be made user  friendly through the adoption  of this                                                               
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON said that the  language does not come under                                                               
the  intent section  of  the  bill; it  does,  however, create  a                                                               
mandate to the department, and represents a problem.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
[A brief discussion ensued regarding  the possibility of offering                                                               
an amendment.]                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:23:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:23 a.m. to 9:30 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:30:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON removed  his objection.   Without  further                                                               
objection, Version G was before the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:31:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE moved  Conceptual Amendment  1, to  page 3,                                                               
line [28], to read:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      The department shall adopt regulations necessary to                                                                       
     carry out the program including                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:32:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  objected   to  re-read  the  proposed                                                               
amendment.   She  then removed  her objection.   Without  further                                                               
objection, Conceptual Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:33:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease at 9:33 a.m.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:34:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  asked for departmental  response regarding                                                               
how  special   needs  students,  requiring  services,   would  be                                                               
affected by HB 145.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:35:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  requested that  department representatives                                                               
respond  to  questions  regarding travel,  specifically  how  the                                                               
participating   school   requirement   would   apply   and   also                                                               
considerations  related  to  travel  pertaining  to  attending  a                                                               
boarding school.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:35:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[HB 145 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
         HB 282-MILITARY TRAINING CREDIT/TEMP. LICENSE                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:35:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  282,  "An Act  relating  to  applying  military                                                               
education,   training,  and   service   credit  to   occupational                                                               
licensing  and  certain  postsecondary education  and  employment                                                               
training   requirements;   and    providing   for   a   temporary                                                               
occupational license for qualified military service members."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:35:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT moved  the proposed CS for  HB 282, Version                                                               
27-LS1116\E, Mischel, 1/25/12.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI objected.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:36:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AARON SCHROEDER,  Staff, Representative Bill Thomas,  Jr., Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature,  reviewed  the  changes  represented  in  the                                                               
proposed CS  for HB 282  paraphrasing from a  prepared statement,                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, Line 9                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     DELETE: Relevant                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, Paragraph (a)                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     SECTION REORGANIZED                                                                                                        
     ADDS SUBSECTION 1: "the  department or applicable board                                                                    
     determines  that education,  training,  and service  is                                                                    
     equivalent  to  some  or   all  of  the  qualifications                                                                    
     otherwise  required of  an applicant  for a  license or                                                                    
     certificate issued under this chapter:"                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     -stronger/clearer language                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     ADDS  SECTION 2:  "The applicant  provides satisfactory                                                                    
     evidence  of successful  completion  of the  education,                                                                    
     training, or  service as a  member of the  armed forces                                                                    
     of the  United States, the United  States Reserves, the                                                                    
     National Guard  of any state, the  Military Reserves of                                                                    
     any state, or the Naval Militia of any state."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     -restates language  from Section  1 of version  B which                                                                    
     deals w/ occupations who issue temporary licenses.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Page    2,   Paragraph    (b)-   ADDS:    citation   AS                                                                    
     08.01.050(a)(9)                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, Line 11                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     ADDS: citation for subparagraphs 2-5                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     -Language   refers  licensing   practices  already   in                                                                    
     statute                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, Subparagraph (A)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ADDS:  maintained  the   license  or  certification  in                                                                    
     active status before and at the time of application                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     -Makes clear that the license  needs to be current when                                                                    
     they apply for a temporary license.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, Subparagraph (B)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     REWORDED TO:  "was awarded a diploma  or certificate by                                                                    
     a branch  of the armed  forces of the United  States or                                                                    
     any state,  as described in  (a) of this  section, that                                                                    
     met   standards  of   an   equivalent   license  or   a                                                                    
     certificate of technical training."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     -Recognizes   military    certificates   of   technical                                                                    
     training                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, Paragraph (c)                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ADDS: for an applicant who is on active duty                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     -Expedited  licenses  only  apply  to  individuals  who                                                                    
     already hold a license and are on active duty.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, Line 12                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     DELETES: paragraph (d)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     -Was  not appropriate  guidance  for the  Postsecondary                                                                    
     Education Commission.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, Paragraph (b)                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ADDS:  Institution accepts  military  education if  the                                                                    
     institution  already accepts  transfer  credits and  is                                                                    
     approved by their accrediting body.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     -Language  suggested  by  the  Postsecondary  Education                                                                    
     Commission.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     -Protects  the  institution   from  jeopardizing  their                                                                    
     accreditation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, Section 5-                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ADDS-  Guidance  for  DCCED and  applicable  boards  to                                                                    
     immediately promulgate necessary regulations.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, Section 6-                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ADDS: Effective  date of December 31,  2013 for section                                                                    
     1-4.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     -Gives  department time  to research  military training                                                                    
     and promulgate regulations.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, Section 7-                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ADDS: Immediately effective for Sec 5                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:40:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHROEDER  said  the  intent   of  the  bill  is  to  assist                                                               
previously  active  military  personnel to  transition  into  the                                                               
private sector work force.   Currently, the national unemployment                                                               
rate is high among this  demographic, about 13 percent.  Although                                                               
Alaska's  veteran  unemployment  rate is  typically  better  than                                                               
average, recent concern  has risen for a means  to better support                                                               
the  ex-service men  and  women in  our state.    In 2010,  1,200                                                               
former military  personnel separated from service  and maintained                                                               
an Alaskan  address.   The scope  of the  bill seeks  to directly                                                               
solicit the Division of  Corporations, Business, and Professional                                                               
Licensing,   Department  of   Commerce,   Community  &   Economic                                                               
Development   (DCCED),  the   University  of   Alaska  Vocational                                                               
Education, and  the Alaska  Work Force  and Investment  Board, to                                                               
assess   military   equivalencies   to  the   programs   offered.                                                               
Additionally, HB  282 seeks  to expedite  professional licensing,                                                               
or  relicensing, of  a  veteran who  is  credentialed in  another                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:42:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   asked  whether  licensing   boards  have                                                               
provided comment on HB 282.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHROEDER responded  that representatives  are available  to                                                               
answer committee questions.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  interjected  that   written  comment  has  not  been                                                               
received from the boards.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:43:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  drew a similarity between  service members                                                               
and those who  volunteer in a specialized field  and then receive                                                               
credit for the  gratis work, when being considered  for hire into                                                               
a  profession.   She stressed  the positive  implications to  the                                                               
state in encouraging this type of action.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:44:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON pointed  out that  the fiscal  note has                                                               
been increased due to the  boards and commissions need to fulfill                                                               
the work; these  increases may be reflected in  the license fees.                                                               
She said that the sooner the  military personnel are able to find                                                               
work,  the  more  helpful  it  will  be  for  them  socially  and                                                               
emotionally.  This is a great bill, she said.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:46:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  SAN SOUCI,  Liaison, Military  Families for  the Northwest,                                                               
Department of  Defense, Regional  Deputy Assistant,  Secretary of                                                               
Defense  for Military  Family &  Community  Policy, testified  in                                                               
support of HB 282, paraphrasing  from a prepared statement, which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Last year,  with one million veterans  unemployed; with                                                                    
     a post 9/11  unemployment rate of 13.3  percent; and an                                                                    
     unemployment rate  for 18-24 year old  veterans at 21.9                                                                    
     percent,   the  Department   of  Defense   [DOD]  began                                                                    
     supporting efforts in the states  to ask states to give                                                                    
     separating  Service members  credit, so  that they  may                                                                    
     not be  held back from finding  employment or finishing                                                                    
     a degree.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     We  are   asking  legislative   leaders  like   you  to                                                                    
     establish  policies  that   ensure  separating  Service                                                                    
     members do  not have  to repeat  requirements completed                                                                    
     during their military career  to obtain academic credit                                                                    
     or an occupational license.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SAN SOUCI said:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     So far,  in the  2012 session  and this  is as  of this                                                                    
     morning, we have 27 bills  in 15 more states resembling                                                                    
     the  one before  you today  that we  are asking  you to                                                                    
     support.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SAN SOUCI continued paraphrasing from a prepared statement,                                                                 
which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     It is important  to us that you know we  are not asking                                                                    
     for  direct licensure  if  it is  not  equivalent.   In                                                                    
     cases where  the regulatory agency or  board determines                                                                    
     partial credit but it saves  time and expense and helps                                                                    
     get them  there, even if  not completely, that  is what                                                                    
     we seek.  We only seek credit where credit is due.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     A couple of  other points to consider:  You  and I have                                                                    
     already  paid for  this veteran's  training within  the                                                                    
     DOD schools and with  years of experience while serving                                                                    
     our Nation  with our  federal tax  dollars.   Also, the                                                                    
     more credit given  to a veteran towards  licensing or a                                                                    
     degree or  certification, the more school  slots can be                                                                    
     made  available to  civilians,  especially in  programs                                                                    
     where [there] may be waiting lists to get in.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     This issue is now the top  of the Top Ten Key Issues of                                                                    
     the Defense  State Liaison Office.   The  Department of                                                                    
     Defense has  many highly qualified schools  which train                                                                    
     service  members  in  a  wide  variety  of  skills  and                                                                    
     occupations.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The Department  of Defense is also,  right now, working                                                                    
     feverishly  with the  US Department  of  Labor to  link                                                                    
     military occupations  with training/experience programs                                                                    
     that  most closely  align to  private sector  licensure                                                                    
     requirements, while  also asking some  state regulatory                                                                    
     authorities in pilot states  like Washington, to review                                                                    
     select  military occupations  to determine  whether the                                                                    
     training  and  experience   are  sufficient  to  render                                                                    
     licensing in that occupation.                                                                                              
     As you very  well know, Alaska is home  to thousands of                                                                    
     veterans, and is a desired  location for separating and                                                                    
     retiring military  members when choosing where  to live                                                                    
     after leaving  the military.   A 2010  Defense Manpower                                                                    
     Data  Center  Study  reported  that  Alaska  had  1,286                                                                    
     military separate  or retire  back to Alaska  in Fiscal                                                                    
     Year 2010.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     At roughly 1,286 annually, and  more to come with draw-                                                                    
     downs, we can expect  that highly qualified ex-military                                                                    
     people  will  continue  to enjoy  Alaska's  quality  of                                                                    
     life,  and many  will  continue to  choose Alaska  when                                                                    
     transitioning into civilian careers.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Finally,  I'm frequently  asked what  other states  are                                                                    
     doing in this  area.  In 2011,  Washington state passed                                                                    
     two bills  - one  for medical  occupations and  one for                                                                    
     non-medical  occupations, into  law  as  of July  22nd.                                                                    
     Washington  modified  the   statutory  chapters  of  21                                                                    
     commercial  occupations   and  14   healthcare  related                                                                    
     occupations.  It  is considered by us  as Best Practice                                                                    
     (BP)  legislation.     Your   bill  is   modeled  after                                                                    
     Washington State and also would be a BP.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Washington State's Department  of Health and Department                                                                    
     of  Licensing accepted  this  challenge in  legislation                                                                    
     last year  with 'zero' as  fiscal notes, and  they have                                                                    
     the demands  of a  big military  state with  over 6,000                                                                    
     veterans annually  choosing to separate or  retire from                                                                    
     the military and live there.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     We ask  this committee  and this legislature  in Alaska                                                                    
     to  join  the  other  [15] states  and  rising  now  in                                                                    
     session  and considering  this help  for our  veterans,                                                                    
     along  with the  four (WA  [Washington], UT  [Utah], CO                                                                    
     [Colorado], WV [West Virginia]) that did it last year.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:50:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  CHRISTENSEN, Associate  Vice  President, State  Relations,                                                               
University of  Alaska Southeast  (UAS), addressed  the committee,                                                               
paraphrasing  from a  prepared statement,  which read  as follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I'm here  today to talk  about section 2 of  this bill,                                                                    
     which  directs  the  university's  president  to  adopt                                                                    
     policies and  procedures to  award credit  for military                                                                    
     training, education, and service.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     I'd  like to  begin by  noting that  the university  is                                                                    
     committed to  offering quality  educational experiences                                                                    
     to  active military,  veterans,  and their  dependents.                                                                    
     GI  Jobs,  which is  a  magazine  and web  portal  that                                                                    
     exists   specifically   to   serve   people   who   are                                                                    
     transitioning from the military  back to civilian life,                                                                    
     has   designated  both   UAA   [University  of   Alaska                                                                    
     Anchorage] and UAF [University  of Alaska Fairbanks] as                                                                    
     "GI  jobs   military  friendly   schools".     Only  15                                                                    
     [percent]  of  all   the  colleges,  universities,  and                                                                    
     vocational  schools in  the  country  have earned  this                                                                    
     distinction,  which   is  based  on   an  institution's                                                                    
     financial and  non-financial commitment to  recruit and                                                                    
     retain military and  veteran students.  It  is a pretty                                                                    
     sad commentary on  the lower 48 that  only 15 [percent]                                                                    
     of  schools  are  rated "military  friendly."    That's                                                                    
     probably  why the  department of  defense is  promoting                                                                    
     this legislation  around the  country.  The  web portal                                                                    
     "guide to  online schools.com,"  which bills  itself as                                                                    
     the most comprehensive  authority on distance education                                                                    
     and online  learning, just  released its  2012 rankings                                                                    
     of the  most military-friendly  online colleges  in the                                                                    
     country,  and  out of  the  multitude  of schools  that                                                                    
     offer  online  education,  UAA was  rated  [number]  5.                                                                    
     We're proud of  that, and as the entity  that made that                                                                    
     rating  possible by  your funding  decisions and  other                                                                    
     support, you have every right to be proud, too.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     While trying to learn the  university over the last few                                                                    
     months, the  single issue I  have heard about  the most                                                                    
     is transfer  of credit.   Everybody's got a story.   It                                                                    
     is a  subject that arouses great  passion, and military                                                                    
     transfer credit is a piece of this bigger issue.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The board of regents has  adopted a written policy that                                                                    
     the campuses must accept in  transfer as much credit as                                                                    
     is   appropriate  to   a  student's   new  degree   and                                                                    
     graduation  requirements.    All  three  campuses  have                                                                    
     established transfer  credit policies designed  to give                                                                    
     maximum   credit  for   courses   and  training   taken                                                                    
     elsewhere,  including in  the military.   Keep  in mind                                                                    
     that a  degree from an institution  is a representation                                                                    
     to potential  employers and to  others that  the holder                                                                    
     has  actually learned  what the  degree indicates  they                                                                    
     have  learned  and  that they  can  do  everything  the                                                                    
     degree  indicates they  can do.    The credit  transfer                                                                    
     policies have evolved over time  to make the process as                                                                    
     streamlined  as  possible  while still  protecting  the                                                                    
     integrity of the degrees that are awarded.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     We  believe   that  awarding  appropriate   credit  for                                                                    
     military   training   is   one  of   the   university's                                                                    
     responsibilities,  and  another  way we  can  show  our                                                                    
     commitment to  recruit and retain military  and veteran                                                                    
     students.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     There  are apparently  a  lot  of misconceptions  about                                                                    
     what we  do for military  students, so I would  like to                                                                    
     give the committee a brief recap.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Transfer  credit   processes  at  the   university  are                                                                    
     managed  at   the  campus  level,  although   there  is                                                                    
     intentionally  a  great  deal   of  uniformity  in  the                                                                    
     system.  With respect  to credit for military training,                                                                    
     all   three   campuses   transfer   credit   based   on                                                                    
     recommendations  made by  "ACE," which  is the  acronym                                                                    
     for the  American Council  of Education.   For  over 65                                                                    
     years,  ACE  has  had an  agreement  with  the  defense                                                                    
     department to  review military training  and experience                                                                    
     for  the  award of  equivalent  college  credits.   Its                                                                    
     recommendations  on  equivalent   college  credits  are                                                                    
     utilized  by  thousands  of colleges  and  universities                                                                    
     across the  country.  Our  three campuses  have written                                                                    
     agreements with  the defense department to  use the ACE                                                                    
     recommendations.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Our  three  campuses  are  also   members  of  the  SOC                                                                    
     consortium.    "SOC"  stands  for  the  Service-members                                                                    
     Opportunity  Colleges.   This is  a consortium  of over                                                                    
     1,000 colleges  and universities that  enroll military,                                                                    
     veterans,  and dependents  in special  degree programs,                                                                    
     both  on-campus and  through  distance  learning.   Its                                                                    
     purpose  is to  let  the military  get degrees,  rather                                                                    
     than just accumulate credits as  they move from base to                                                                    
     base.  To  be part of SOC, our  campuses signed written                                                                    
     agreements  to,  among  other things,  follow  specific                                                                    
     guidelines  to ease  transferability of  credit between                                                                    
     the  member institutions  and to  limit  the number  of                                                                    
     credits military students have to  earn at UA, in order                                                                    
     to get  a UA  degree.   For example,  military students                                                                    
     working on  an Associate's  degree at  UAA only  need 3                                                                    
     UAA credits to  earn the degree; UAA will  take all the                                                                    
     rest  of the  credits  from other  schools  in the  SOC                                                                    
     consortium.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     UAA  is currently  accepting  approximately 51  credits                                                                    
     per student  from those military students  who attended                                                                    
     the  community college  of the  air force,  the service                                                                    
     academies,  and  other regionally  accredited  military                                                                    
     institutions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     At  UAF, a  military student  can use  approximately 30                                                                    
     credits  of  typical  training   for  the  Bachelor  of                                                                    
     Emergency  Management  degree,  or  90  credits  for  a                                                                    
     general  studies  BA  that doesn't  require  satisfying                                                                    
     particular major requirements.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Neither UAA nor  UAF have any limitation  on the number                                                                    
     of  military transfer  credits  they  will award.  They                                                                    
     used to; they've done away  with it, UAA as recently as                                                                    
     last year, as  part of our continual  process to review                                                                    
     the system  and make  it more student-friendly.   Right                                                                    
     now, for example,  UAF is in the  process of developing                                                                    
     a minor  based on typical military  credits, which will                                                                    
     satisfy 18 credits towards any BA degree.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     I could  go on, but what  is the bottom line?   I don't                                                                    
     have figures for the entire  system, but last year, UAA                                                                    
     alone awarded  over 15,000  hours of  military transfer                                                                    
     credit for  training, for education, and  even for time                                                                    
     spent in the service.   Approximately 99.5 [percent] of                                                                    
     the  students who  requested military  transfer credits                                                                    
     received those credits.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska is  widely known to  service-members as  a state                                                                    
     that welcomes  and appreciates the  military.   I think                                                                    
     that  Alaska's  university,   as  demonstrated  by  our                                                                    
     existing  credit  transfer   policies,  reflects  those                                                                    
     prevailing social values pretty darn accurately.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:57:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DON HABEGER,  Director, Division  of Corporations,  Business, and                                                               
Professional  Licensing,  Department  of  Commerce,  Community  &                                                               
Economic Development,  came forward  to answer questions,  at the                                                               
request of the committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:58:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  expressed support for the  bill, and asked                                                               
whether  the  department  has  any   concerns  for  the  proposed                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HABEGER responded  that the  original  version imposed  time                                                               
constraints that would have been  difficult to meet; however, the                                                               
sponsor has  been responsive to the  administrations concerns and                                                               
Version E  provides a  workable timeframe  for the  department to                                                               
implement  the bill  utilizing existing  resources.   As such,  a                                                               
revised fiscal note will be rendered, he said.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:59:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  stated  support   for  HB  282,  and  said                                                               
anything that  can be done to  capture the talent of  veterans is                                                               
beneficial for the state.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:00:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  removed his objection.   With no further                                                               
objection Version E was before the committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:01:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT  moved to  report  CSHB  282, Version  27-                                                               
LS1116\E, Mischel, 1/25/12, out of committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:01:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON objected  and  pointed out  that a  fiscal                                                               
note  from DCCED  is attached,  but is  undergoing revision.   He                                                               
then removed his objection.   With no further objection, CSHB 282                                                               
(EDC)  was moved  from the  House  Education Standing  Committee,                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:02:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  commented  that  similar  legislation  in                                                               
Washington State has passed with a zero fiscal note.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK announced the next regular meeting for the committee.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:04:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 10:04 a.m.                                                                
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects | 
|---|---|---|
| SB 8 27-LS0084A Student Questionnaires.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | SB   8 | 
| SB 8 AS 14.03.110 current law.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | SB   8 | 
| SB 8 Docs - 2009 YRBS results by CDC.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | SB   8 | 
| CS HB282 Summary of Changes 012612.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 282 | 
| CS HB282 Version E.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 282 | 
| HB282-DCCED-CBPL-01-20-12.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 282 | 
| HB 282 Professions Licensed.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 282 | 
| CS HB282 Version E Sectional.doc | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 282 | 
| CS HB282 Supporting Documents.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 282 | 
| CS HB 145 G Version 012412.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 145 | 
| SB 8 Docs - Letter Ak Ne Dom Viol Assault.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | SB   8 | 
| SB 8 Docs - Ref Links YRBS 2009.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | SB   8 | 
| SB 8 Docs-Ltr Support -ANDVSA 2-4-2011.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | SB   8 | 
| SB 8 Docs- 2009 Survey Questions.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | SB   8 | 
| SB008-DHSS-CDPHP-12-16-11 (2).pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | SB   8 | 
| SB008-EED-TLS-12-6-11.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | SB   8 | 
| HB282-DCCED-CBPL-01-20-12.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 282 | 
| HB282-ACPE-EED-01-20-12.pdf | HEDC       1/27/2012 8:00:00 AM | HB 282 |