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04/05/2013 08:00 AM EDUCATION


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08:00:46 AM Start
08:01:29 AM Confirmation Hearing(s): Professional Teaching Practices Commission
08:12:23 AM HB154
08:27:50 AM HB190
09:14:36 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Confirmation Hearings: TELECONFERENCED
- Board of Education and Early Development
- Professional Teaching Practices Commission
<Above Item Rescheduled from 3/29/13>
*+ HB 154 MUSEUM OF THE NORTH TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 154(EDC) Out of Committee
*+ HB 196 SCHOOL DISTRICT EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
*+ HB 190 CREDIT FOR SECONDARY SCHOOL COURSES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 5, 2013                                                                                          
                           8:00 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lynn Gattis, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Lora Reinbold, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Professional Teaching Practices Commission                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Melody Mann - Wasilla                                                                                                      
     James Fields - Glenallen                                                                                                   
     David DeVaughn - North Pole                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 154                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to natural and cultural history repositories."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 154(EDC) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 190                                                                                                              
"An Act providing for course credit in secondary school based on                                                                
demonstrated mastery of the subject."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
HOUSE BILL NO. 196                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to group insurance coverage and self-insurance                                                                 
coverage for school district employees; and providing for an                                                                    
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING CANCELED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 154                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MUSEUM OF THE NORTH                                                                                                
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) THOMPSON                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
03/04/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/04/13       (H)       EDC                                                                                                    
04/05/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 190                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CREDIT FOR SECONDARY SCHOOL COURSES                                                                                
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) SEATON                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
03/28/13       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/28/13       (H)       EDC                                                                                                    
04/03/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
04/03/13       (H)       Scheduled But Not Heard                                                                                
04/05/13       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MELODY MANN, Appointee                                                                                                          
Professional Teaching Practices Commission                                                                                      
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Spoke as an appointee to the Professional                                                                
Teaching Practices Commission.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JAMES FIELDS, Appointee                                                                                                         
Professional Teaching Practices Commission                                                                                      
Glenallen, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Spoke as an appointee to the Professional                                                                
Teaching Practices Commission.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVE THOMPSON                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced HB 154, as sponsor of the bill.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
LYNETTE BERGH, Staff                                                                                                            
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 154 on behalf of the bill                                                                   
sponsor, Representative Thompson, and answered questions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN WINKER, Chief Curator; Acting Director                                                                                    
University of Alaska Museum                                                                                                     
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  and  answered questions  during                                                             
discussion of HB 154.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
LINDA THIBODEAU, Director                                                                                                       
Office of the Director                                                                                                          
Libraries, Archives & Museums                                                                                                   
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  and  answered questions  during                                                             
discussion of HB 154.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PAUL SEATON                                                                                                      
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented HB  190  as the  sponsor of  the                                                             
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HERB SCHROEDER, Vice Provost                                                                                                    
University of Alaska Anchorage (UAA)                                                                                            
Alaska Native Science and Engineering Program                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  and  answered questions  during                                                             
discussion of HB 190.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
GENE STONE, Assistant Superintendent                                                                                            
Matanuska-Susitna Borough School District                                                                                       
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  and  answered questions  during                                                             
discussion of HB 190.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MIKE HANLEY, Commissioner                                                                                                       
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Education and Early Development (EED)                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  and  answered questions  during                                                             
discussion of HB 190.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:00:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  GATTIS called the House  Education Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at 8:00  a.m.  Representatives  Gattis, LeDoux,                                                               
Seaton,  and  Reinbold  were  present   at  the  call  to  order.                                                               
Representatives Saddler  and Drummond arrived as  the meeting was                                                               
in progress.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION   HEARING(S):   Professional   Teaching   Practices                                                               
Commission                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                    CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                 
           Professional Teaching Practices Commission                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:01:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
confirmation  hearings for  the  Professional Teaching  Practices                                                               
Commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:01:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MELODY   MANN,   Appointee,   Professional   Teaching   Practices                                                               
Commission, reported  that she  had been a  teacher for  23 years                                                               
and, as  she closely followed  issues with teachers,  she offered                                                               
"a good sense of integrity and  justice that I feel I could bring                                                               
to the commission."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:02:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  noted Ms. Mann's  educational background                                                               
and  asked  about  her  interest  for  the  direction  of  public                                                               
education in Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MANN shared  her belief  in the  public education  system in                                                               
Alaska.   She expressed concern  with a  lack of trust  in public                                                               
educators, which she declared to  be unfounded, as "teachers work                                                               
really  hard."   She expressed  her desire  to reassure  Alaskans                                                               
that  teachers are  doing "the  best they  can with  what they're                                                               
given."   She  expressed concern  for the  lack of  resources for                                                               
public  education, and  a need  for the  legislature to  fund the                                                               
base student allocation  (BSA).  She stated that her  work on the                                                               
commission  would   ensure  that   teachers  were   working  with                                                               
integrity.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  asked about  her work with  the National                                                               
Education   Association   (NEA)   and  the   direction   of   the                                                               
organization.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MANN replied  that,  as  the NEA  had  given her  leadership                                                               
training, this  offered her the  opportunity to  bring leadership                                                               
training to Alaskan  Natives in small communities.   She declared                                                               
NEA to  be "a wonderfully democratic  organization" and expressed                                                               
her appreciation  for the  organization's work  of the  behalf of                                                               
teachers throughout Alaska.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:06:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD moved  to  advance  the confirmation  of                                                               
Melody  Mann to  the Professional  Teaching Practices  Commission                                                               
for consideration  in joint session  by the House and  Senate for                                                               
consideration.   There being no  objection, the  confirmation was                                                               
advanced.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:07:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES   FIELDS,   Appointee,  Professional   Teaching   Practices                                                               
Commission, stated  that he  wanted to  make the  state education                                                               
system   better    for   the   students,   the    teachers,   the                                                               
administrators, and  the parents.   He declared  that this  was a                                                               
good  opportunity  for   regional  educational  attendance  areas                                                               
(REAAs) to be represented on the commission.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:08:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD moved  to  advance  the confirmation  of                                                               
James Fields  to the  Professional Teaching  Practices Commission                                                               
for consideration  in joint session  by the House and  Senate for                                                               
consideration.   There being no  objection, the  confirmation was                                                               
advanced.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:08:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD moved  to  advance  the confirmation  of                                                               
David DeVaughn to the  Professional Teaching Practices Commission                                                               
for consideration  in joint session  by the House and  Senate for                                                               
consideration.   There being no  objection, the  confirmation was                                                               
advanced.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX questioned whether  the committee had heard                                                               
anything from David DeVaughn, and then  she asked for a brief at-                                                               
ease.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:10:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS  brought the  committee back  to order  and reminded                                                               
members  that  signing  the  reports  regarding  appointments  to                                                               
boards  and commissions  in no  way reflects  individual members'                                                               
approval  or   disapproval  of  the  appointees,   and  that  the                                                               
nominations  are merely  forwarded  to the  full legislature  for                                                               
confirmation or rejection.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:10:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  noted that Mr. DeVaughn's  resume had been                                                               
distributed  to  the  House Education  Standing  Committee.    He                                                               
pointed out  that this commission  was not a policy  making body,                                                               
but instead an ethics committee for teachers.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:11:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GATTIS noted  that Mr.  DeVaughn could  still contact  the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:11:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  stressed the  importance for  an applicant                                                               
interview before forwarding a confirmation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                   HB 154-MUSEUM OF THE NORTH                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:12:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  154, "An  Act relating  to natural  and cultural                                                               
history collections  at the  University of  Alaska Museum  of the                                                               
North."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:12:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD moved  to adopt  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB   154,  labeled  28-LS0613\N,  Mischel,                                                               
3/20/13, as the  working document.  There being  no objection, it                                                               
was so ordered.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   STEVE   THOMPSON,  Alaska   State   Legislature,                                                               
introduced  HB 154,  and paraphrased  from the  sponsor statement                                                               
[Included in members' packets]:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        House Bill 154 is an act relating to natural and                                                                        
      cultural history repositories.  It revises statutes                                                                       
     governing  the  University  of   Alaska  adding  a  new                                                                    
     section that  designates the Museum  of the North  as a                                                                    
     repository of  the state  natural and  cultural history                                                                    
     collections and  gives the university the  authority to                                                                    
     designate other repositories as  needed.  The bill also                                                                    
     defines the purpose and the  functions of a repository.                                                                    
     Museum  collections include  1.4 million  artifacts and                                                                    
     specimens representing millions  of years of biological                                                                    
     diversity   and   thousands   of  years   of   cultural                                                                    
     traditions.   These  are  crucial  resource items  that                                                                    
     need to  be available.   Designating the Museum  of the                                                                    
     North  as  a  repository  will  help  ensure  that  the                                                                    
     historical    collections     remain    available    to                                                                    
     researchers, students, Alaska  citizens and others with                                                                    
     an  interest in  cultural  history and  an interest  in                                                                    
     repositories.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:14:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNETTE  BERGH,  Staff,  Representative  Steve  Thompson,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature,  said that  she  would  answer any  questions                                                               
about proposed HB 154.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:15:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON directed attention to  page 1, lines 6 - 7,                                                               
and  asked  why the  University  of  Alaska Fairbanks  was  being                                                               
offered  the  power to  designate  museums  throughout Alaska  as                                                               
repositories.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:15:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BERGH, in  response, explained  that the  intention was  for                                                               
campuses with museums to be  designated as repositories, and that                                                               
the  designations could  not be  made outside  the University  of                                                               
Alaska system.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:16:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  WINKER,  Chief  Curator; Acting  Director,  University  of                                                               
Alaska Museum,  explained that the  designations were  limited to                                                               
within the other campuses in the University of Alaska system.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:17:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON suggested  that  the  designation was  too                                                               
broad, and he questioned whether  it was the University of Alaska                                                               
or the museum that was given power to designate.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WINKER agreed  that the main purpose was  the designation for                                                               
the  University  of Alaska  Museum  of  the  North, and  he  also                                                               
requested clarification for future  designations.  He pointed out                                                               
the potential  for the use  of these resources for  both research                                                               
and education, stating that "it's a great idea."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:18:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  REINBOLD, noting  that  there was  a zero  fiscal                                                               
note  attached [Included  in members'  packets],  asked if  there                                                               
were any projected costs in the future.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WINKER replied  that he did not anticipate  any cost directly                                                               
associated with the proposed bill,  though he conceded there were                                                               
costs for  the maintenance of  collections.  He pointed  out that                                                               
the proposed bill  designated a home to allow  for collections to                                                               
remain in Alaska.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:21:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked whether the Alaska  State Museum was                                                               
designated as a  repository, and whether it had  the authority to                                                               
designate other museums as repositories.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
LINDA  THIBODEAU, Director,  Office of  the Director,  Libraries,                                                               
Archives   &  Museums,   Department   of   Education  and   Early                                                               
Development,  replied that  the  repository language  was not  in                                                               
statute,  but  that statute  did  designate  the museum  and  its                                                               
branches  as the  State Museum,  which was  satisfactory for  its                                                               
purposes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked to  clarify that statute  and policy                                                               
had been  designated by the  Legislature for both the  museum and                                                               
its branches.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. THIBODEAU expressed her agreement.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:22:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS closed public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:22:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON expressed his  concern with proposed HB 154                                                               
for  giving  authority  to  the  Museum  of  the  North  for  the                                                               
designation of repositories, as  the Alaska State Legislature had                                                               
previously  made those  designations to  museums.   He questioned                                                               
whether this was an integral part of the proposed bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:23:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BERGH, in  response  to Representative  Seaton, offered  her                                                               
belief  that  allowing  the  Museum  of the  North  as  the  sole                                                               
repository would not  allow other campuses to  have a repository,                                                               
which would create a separate class of museum.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:24:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  moved to  report the  proposed committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB   154,  labeled  28-LS0613\N,  Mischel,                                                               
3/20/13,  out of  committee with  individual recommendations  and                                                               
the accompanying zero fiscal notes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for discussion.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   asked  that  the  sponsor   clarify  the                                                               
repository  requirement language  which  gave  the University  of                                                               
Alaska the ability  to designate other museums  in the University                                                               
of Alaska system  as repositories, a designation  which he opined                                                               
should be reserved for the Legislature to determine.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON removed  his  objection.   There being  no                                                               
further  objections,  CSHB  154(EDC)  was moved  from  the  House                                                               
Education Standing Committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:25:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Chair Gattis passed the gavel to Vice Chair Reinbold]                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
           HB 190-CREDIT FOR SECONDARY SCHOOL COURSES                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:27:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  REINBOLD announced that  the final order  of business                                                               
would be HOUSE BILL NO. 190,  "An Act providing for course credit                                                               
in  secondary  school  based  on   demonstrated  mastery  of  the                                                               
subject."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:28:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PAUL SEATON, Alaska  State Legislature, sponsor of                                                               
HB  190,  offering  a  brief   history  for  the  proposed  bill,                                                               
explained that  some high  school students  in the  Alaska Native                                                               
Science  and  Engineering  Program   (ANSEP)  had  only  received                                                               
partial  credit  at  University  of   Alaska,  as  they  had  not                                                               
accumulated  enough seat  time  in their  school  districts.   He                                                               
explained   that  the   proposed   bill   allowed  students   who                                                               
demonstrated mastery of course content  to challenge and test out                                                               
of  high  school  courses  and  receive  academic  credit.    The                                                               
proposed bill would leave the  criteria for demonstrating mastery                                                               
to the discretion  of the school district, and  would require the                                                               
school district to provide an  option for students to challenge a                                                               
course through  an assessment, designed  by the  school district.                                                               
He noted that credits would  apply to fulfilling the requirements                                                               
for the  Alaska Performance Scholarship,  but not  necessarily be                                                               
factored in  to the  student's grade point  average (GPA),  if no                                                               
letter grade was  given.  It did not attempt  to establish credit                                                               
for courses  that were prerequisites  for the  challenged course.                                                               
He  stated that  currently there  was no  requirement for  school                                                               
districts  to provide  an opportunity  for students  to challenge                                                               
courses  for academic  credit.   Some districts  had pre-approved                                                               
tech  prep plans  for  certain college  courses,  but these  were                                                               
primarily focused  on vocational  coursework and were  limited to                                                               
established  agreements between  campuses.   He pointed  out that                                                               
some   school  districts   already  allowed   course  challenges,                                                               
including  Anchorage, Kenai,  Matanuska-Susitna, and  North Star.                                                               
He declared  the necessity  to establish  a unified  approach for                                                               
challenging  courses  across  the   state,  as  this  would  keep                                                               
students  engaged  in  learning   and  challenged  with  rigorous                                                               
coursework.    He  described  the   Anchorage  Credit  By  Choice                                                               
program, which had established a  policy on Credit by Examination                                                               
that students  must score 90 percent  to demonstrate proficiency.                                                               
He  clarified  that  the  proposed   bill  did  not  establish  a                                                               
proficiency level for each school  district, and would allow that                                                               
the authority  be kept with the  district.  He declared  the need                                                               
for  the  legislature to  promote  high  academic achievement  in                                                               
education and allow  HB 190 to "remove a barrier  to students who                                                               
wish  to receive  credit for  their coursework  and to  support a                                                               
learning  environment  that  continues to  challenge  and  reward                                                               
student  initiative."   He stated  that the  proposed bill  would                                                               
resolve the issue in a more universal way.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:32:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR  REINBOLD read:    "School  districts must  establish                                                               
assessment tool  for the student to  demonstrate secondary school                                                               
course  mastery."    She   questioned  whether  school  districts                                                               
already  had this  in place,  in light  of the  zero fiscal  note                                                               
[Included in members' packets.]                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  clarified that  the proposed bill  was not                                                               
offering a  unified course  or that  the Department  of Education                                                               
and Early  Development (EED) develop a  demonstration of mastery,                                                               
but was leaving  this for each school district to  design its own                                                               
tests to determine the level of proficiency.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR  REINBOLD  suggested  that parameters  needed  to  be                                                               
established for eligibility to challenge  a course.  She asked if                                                               
this would result in a pass or no pass grade.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  expressed  his agreement,  and  suggested                                                               
that these questions would be answered at the district level.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR  REINBOLD asked  for  more  definition regarding  the                                                               
challenge to a course.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON opined  that  the intent  of the  proposed                                                               
bill was  to allow  each district  to establish  its policy.   He                                                               
directed  attention  to  an  example   of  the  Anchorage  School                                                               
District programs and policies,  titled "Credit By Choice program                                                               
(CBC)  [Included  in  members'  packets],  which  stated  that  a                                                               
student had  to be taking  the class in  order to challenge.   He                                                               
offered his  belief that it would  not be good policy  to put the                                                               
determinations  in statute,  but  instead, to  let each  district                                                               
make its own policy.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:38:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR REINBOLD asked if  Anchorage School District (ASD) was                                                               
included on  the list  of existing  programs, and  if ASD  was in                                                               
support of the proposed bill.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON explained  that Anchorage  School District                                                               
had the aforementioned "credit by  choice" program, as did Kenai,                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna,  and  several  other  school  districts.    He                                                               
pointed out that  there were many school districts  which did not                                                               
have  the  policy and  had  students  who  had passed  a  college                                                               
course, yet had  to return to the high school  classroom for more                                                               
seat time.   He noted that the ASD did  exempt physical education                                                               
classes.  He  emphasized that it was not  productive or effective                                                               
education  to  require  seat  time  of  a  student  in  order  to                                                               
demonstrate mastery of a course.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR REINBOLD  declared that, although she  agreed with the                                                               
concept,  the  application was  an  issue.   She  questioned  the                                                               
activities of  a student that had  tested out of a  class, asking                                                               
"where do  they go  ... is  that child  gonna wander  the halls."                                                               
She declared her  desire to ensure there were  not any unintended                                                               
consequences.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:42:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND  pointed  to  page X,  item  7,  in  the                                                               
aforementioned  "Credit by  Choice" program  handout, and  stated                                                               
that ASD  had included a lot  of detail.  She  offered her belief                                                               
that students were already short of  time in each school day, and                                                               
she  stated  that  she  did not  believe  "there'll  be  students                                                               
sitting around  twiddling their thumbs  looking for  something to                                                               
do  or  getting  in  trouble."   She  declared  that  these  were                                                               
students  in search  of additional  stimulation,  and she  opined                                                               
that they would do productive things with their time.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:44:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR REINBOLD  stressed  that students  would  need to  be                                                               
directed to a  specific place, and that parents did  not want the                                                               
kids to  go just  anywhere.   She opined  that this  would create                                                               
confusion for the teachers.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:44:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked if  students were  currently allowed                                                               
to go home, if they finished classes early in the day.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON pointed out  that the school district would                                                               
determine  a  policy and  he  stressed  that the  students  being                                                               
served by  the proposed bill  were those students that  tended to                                                               
be  ahead  of  classmates.    He  declared  that  the  unintended                                                               
consequence of  students not being  in the appropriate  class was                                                               
boredom and a  bigger workload on the teacher.   He noted that it                                                               
was not  required for a student  to challenge a course,  but that                                                               
the  school district  had to  provide the  opportunity for  those                                                               
students who  could demonstrate mastery  of a subject to  move on                                                               
to other material.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:47:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX   asked  if   any  school   districts  had                                                               
objected, as she was curious to the rationale for opposition.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said that every school  district in Alaska                                                               
had  been contacted.    He  listed several  which  already had  a                                                               
program, while  others were  in discussion for  the program.   He                                                               
allowed that  some school districts  had not responded,  but were                                                               
aware that the proposed bill was being considered.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked about  the fiscal note, and announced                                                               
that she did  not support unfunded mandates.   She declared that,                                                               
although this should be a  school district responsibility, it was                                                               
not fair to mandate it without funding it.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON replied  that the proposed bill  had a zero                                                               
fiscal note [Included  in members' packets].  There  would not be                                                               
any new tests or assessments imposed.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  asked  to   clarify  that  there  was  no                                                               
additional cost anticipated to the school district.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON directed  attention to  the aforementioned                                                               
"Credit By  Choice program" handout  and noted that there  was an                                                               
$85  fee  for creation,  administration,  and  evaluation of  the                                                               
challenge test.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX offered her belief  that this could "keep a                                                               
bright kid from  a low-income family in a course  they don't need                                                               
to have because  they can't afford the $85 fee."   She questioned                                                               
the wisdom in this policy.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  explained that  most policies  allowed for                                                               
fee waivers and  scholarships, and that it would  be important to                                                               
refrain  from placing  details in  statute.   He cited  that many                                                               
high  school drop-outs  were smart  students who  were not  being                                                               
challenged and  engaged.   He declared  the necessity  to enforce                                                               
that  school  districts  had  a   policy  to  allow  students  to                                                               
challenge  out  of  a  course for  which  they  had  demonstrated                                                               
mastery of the material.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:52:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND directed  attention  to  the "Credit  By                                                               
Choice" handout, page  XI, Program No. 6,  "Community service and                                                               
field  study," which  listed  the  preapproved district  programs                                                               
that earned 0.5  units of credit.  She lauded  the proposed bill,                                                               
and  expressed  a desire  for  the  school districts  to  testify                                                               
regarding the administration of these programs.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:53:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR REINBOLD  pointed out  that schools  with open  forum                                                               
curriculum  allowed students  to work  at  their own  pace.   She                                                               
questioned whether  the proposed  bill would work  in traditional                                                               
schools.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:55:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HERB  SCHROEDER, Vice  Provost,  University  of Alaska  Anchorage                                                               
(UAA), Alaska  Native Science and Engineering  Program, said that                                                               
the  Alaska Native  Science  and  Engineering Program  components                                                               
allowed students  statewide to complete the  courses necessary to                                                               
earn  the  Alaska Performance  Scholarship.    He explained  that                                                               
students  came  to  Anchorage  during   the  summer  to  complete                                                               
university  courses taught  by university  faculty in  the Alaska                                                               
Native Science and Engineering Program  acceleration academy.  He                                                               
declared  that  a  problem  which arose  for  students  was  that                                                               
completion  of  the  course did  not  guarantee  equivalent  high                                                               
school credit.  He reported  that the proposed bill would provide                                                               
a  mechanism  for  students  to  earn  the  correct  high  school                                                               
credits.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:56:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND asked  to  clarify her  concern for  the                                                               
transfer of credits.  She opined  that, as 24 high school credits                                                               
in four years  were required, a 0.5 credit was  a single semester                                                               
class.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR.  SCHROEDER, in  response, described  a  course at  university                                                               
versus at  high school, and  noted that, as the  university class                                                               
would be accomplished in a shorter  period of time, a student was                                                               
therefore given fewer high school  credits than if the course was                                                               
taken at  the high school.   He offered an anecdote  of a student                                                               
who had taken  multiple courses at the  university while enrolled                                                               
in high  school, yet  was informed  that he  did not  have enough                                                               
credits to graduate from high school.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DRUMMOND  suggested  that this  issue  should  be                                                               
discussed between  the school district  and the university.   She                                                               
referenced   "Program   No.  3   -   College   courses"  in   the                                                               
aforementioned "Credit  By Choice  program," which stated  that a                                                               
three semester hour  course at the university  would only receive                                                               
0.5 high school credit.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:00:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR REINBOLD  expressed her praise for  the ANSEP facility                                                               
and the student levels of  enthusiasm.  She opined that, although                                                               
the ability for  a student to challenge a class  was a good idea,                                                               
she had concerns for the details at the classroom level.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:01:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GENE STONE,  Assistant Superintendent,  Matanuska-Susitna Borough                                                               
School  District, said  that all  school districts  would benefit                                                               
from  equality  for  credit  transfers.   He  reported  that  the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna Borough  School District  had adopted  a policy                                                               
to  mitigate credit  transfer issues  based on  parental requests                                                               
and  concerns.   He pointed  out that  other credit  options were                                                               
also  in  place  and  offered  an  anecdote  in  support  of  the                                                               
opportunity  to test  out of  a class.   If  a freshman  failed a                                                               
semester  class and  repeated the  course, but  had mastered  the                                                               
content  prior  to the  final  examination,  the school  district                                                               
supported a  course challenge which  allowed the student  to move                                                               
back into course sequence.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR REINBOLD  asked at what point could  the assessment be                                                               
offered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STONE replied  that this  was  a district  and school  board                                                               
policy, and that his school district  reviewed these on a case by                                                               
case  basis.   He noted  the other  credit option  opportunities,                                                               
which included  on-line learning,  and declared  that this  was a                                                               
mantra for learning plans in education.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR  REINBOLD  repeated  her  concerns  for  unsupervised                                                               
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. STONE underscored  that the district was able  to manage each                                                               
case, and that it was not  designed as a situation solely to sign                                                               
up and take the test.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:09:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON clarified that  the proposed bill would not                                                               
override  the  Anchorage  School   District  policy,  but  merely                                                               
provided a student  the opportunity to request  the challenge and                                                               
demonstrate  mastery   of  the  coursework  to   school  district                                                               
standards.   He  declared that  education should  engage students                                                               
and allow progress.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  REINBOLD agreed  with the  concept, but  declared her                                                               
concern for the subsequent use of student time.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  replied  that   the  proposed  bill  only                                                               
required each school district to have  a policy, that it left the                                                               
criteria to  each school district,  and that it was  not intended                                                               
as a "one size fits all" solution.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:12:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE   HANLEY,   Commissioner,   Office  of   the   Commissioner,                                                               
Department of  Education and Early Development  (EED), stated his                                                               
support   for  proposed   HB  190,   indicating  that   the  bill                                                               
accomplished the intent  to allow a student  to prove proficiency                                                               
to a course.  He offered  his belief that a school district would                                                               
be  able to  establish a  policy for  students to  test out  of a                                                               
class,  and  define the  boundaries  as  it  chose for  the  best                                                               
educational practice.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:14:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR REINBOLD announced that  public testimony would remain                                                               
open and that proposed HB 190 would be held over.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:15:24                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 9:15 a.m.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
01 HB 154 version A.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
02 Draft- CS HB 154 version N.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
03 CSHB 154 ver N- Summary of Changes.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
08 HB 196 Letter Oppose - PE Local 71.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 196
04 CSHB 154 Sponsor Statement.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
05 HB 154-EED-LAM-4-2-13.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
06 Support Letter HB 154 via email- Aldona Jonaitis 3-29-2013.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
07 Support Letter HB 154 via email- Daniel D Gibson- 3-30-2013.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
08 Support Letter HB 154 via email- David Sonneborn- 4-1-2013.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
09 Support Letter HB 154 via email- Don Gray- 4-2-2013.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
10 Support Letter HB 154 via email- Dr. Lee O'Hare- 3-22-2013.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
11 Support Letter HB 154 via email- F Stuart Terry Chapin- 3-30-2013.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
12 Support Letter HB 154 via email- Kevin McCracken- 3-30-2013.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
13 Support Letter HB 154 via email- Nancy Wade- 3-31-2013.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 154
01 HB 190 v. A.pdf HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/8/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
02 HB 190 Sponsor Statement.pdf HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/8/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
03 HB 190 Fiscal Note - EED-TLS-3-28-13.pdf HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/8/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
04 HB 190 Supporting Documents-Letter Herb Schroeder 03-28-2013.pdf HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/8/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
05 HB 190 Supporting Documents-Email Bob Crumley 03-28-2013.pdf HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/8/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
06 HB 190 Supporting Documents-Letter Steve Atwater 04-01-2013.pdf HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/8/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
07 HB 190 Supporting Documents-Anchorage SD Credit By Choice program 04-02-2013.pdf HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/8/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
08 HB 190 Supporting Documents-MatSu SD policy 04-02-2013.pdf HEDC 4/3/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 4/8/2013 8:00:00 AM
HB 190
Education & Early Development - Fields #5.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
Professional Teaching - DeVaughn #3.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM
Professional Teaching - Mann #3.pdf HEDC 4/5/2013 8:00:00 AM